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November 17, 2010
To:
From:
TRANSMiTrAL
Southold Town Zoning Board of Appeals
P. O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Ramone ZBA application:
130 Village Lane
Orient, New York
(SCrM# 1000-1S-0~06)
Mark Schwartz, AIA
RECEIVED
Southold Zoning Board:
This letter serves to officially withdraw the Ramone application as applied by this office. We are also
requesting a refund of the application fee.
questions or require additional information. Thank you.
DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
STEVE LEVY
SUFFOLK COUNTY EXECUTIVE
RECEIVED
get ~ 1 2~9
BOARD OF APPEALS
THOUAS A. ISLES, A.I.C,P
DIRECTOR OF PLANNING
December 15, 2009
Town of Southold ZBA
PO Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
Att: Gerard Goehringer, Chairman
Dear Mr. Goeringer:
Pursuant to the mqnirements of Sections A 14-14 thru A 14-25 of the Suffolk County Administrative
Code, the following applications submitted to the Suffolk County Planning Commission are to be a
matter for local determination as there appears to be no significant county-wide or inter-community
impact. A decision of local determination should not be construed as either an approval or
disapproval.
Applicants
Ketterer (Gwyneth) & Kykes (Mary)
Heath, Elliot & Ora
McCarthy, Christopher
De Croisset, Nicholas
DeNicolo, Joseph & Rita
Ramone, Julien & Claudia
TRK:ds
Municipal File Numbers
6349
6351
6352
6354
6355
6357
Very truly yours,
Thomas A. Isles
Director of Planning
Theodore R. Klein
Senior Planner
LOCATION MAILING ADDRESS
H. LEE DENNISON BLDG. - 4TH FLOOR P.O. BOX 6100 (631) 853-5191
100 VETERANS MEMORIAL HIGHVVAY HAUPPAUGE, NY 11788-0099 TELECOPIER (631) 8534044
Telephone (631) 765-1800
Fax (631) 765-6145
SOUTHOLD TOWN
LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION
June 7, 2010
Mr. and Mrs. Julien Ramone
130 Village Lane
Orient, NY 11957
Town Hall, 53095 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
RECEIVED
BOARD OF APPEALs
RE: Certificate of Appropriateness
Via: Registered Mail
Dear Mr. and Mrs. Ramone:
At its meeting on May 18, the Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) voted
to deny your application to demolish your landmark house at 130 Village Lane in Odent.
The Certificate of Appropriateness explaining the Commission's reasons is enclosed.
The Commission is charged by Town Code to do what is necessary to preserve
the Town's architectural heritage. The official policy of the Landmarks Preservation
Commission is to not permit demolition of a landmark structure unless there is no
prudent alternative. Is this case, there are alternatives to demolishing 130 Village Lane.
The Orient National Historic District is unique. Your proposal would have a substantial
adverse effect on the aesthetic, historical and architecturai significance of the Histodc
District.
As explained in Chapter170-11, Appeals °~he Town Code, you may apply for
relief within 30 days of our decision by filing a ,v~. e.n application with the Town Board for
review of the decision. Reviews shall be conducted on the same record that was before
the Commission and using the cdteda set forth in this chapter.
If you choose to amend your application to demolish to one to alter your
landmark house, the Commission would willingly advocate on your behalf with other
Town agencies. We believe you 9an find a design solution consistent with the guidelines
in the Town of Southold's Landmark Preservation Commission Handbook. If the house
is demolished, both the LPC and the Zoning Board would consider the replacement
structure a new house that would have to be built under current codes and restrictions.
If you have questions about the Certificate of Appropriateness, please contact
me or the Building Department.
~;~hairman
'-'" Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission
CC: Supervisor Russell
Members of the Town Board
Building Department
Code Enforcement Officer
Zoning Board of Appeals
Telephone (631) 765-1800
Fax (631) 765-6145
SOUTHOLD TOWN
LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Town Hall, 53095 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
RECEIVED
JUN 8 2010~
,OA
RD OF APPEALS
Denial of Certificate of A==ronriateness
Date:
RE:
Owners:
RESOLUTION:
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS
WHEREAS
June 7, 2010
130 Village Lane, Orient, NY 11957; SCTM #1000-18-5-6
Julien and Claudia Ramone
130 Village Lane, Odent, NY is on the Town of Southold,
New York State and National Registers of Histodc Places,
and
as set forth in Section 170 of the Town Law (Landmarks
Preservation Code) of the Town of Southold, all proposals
for material change/alteration or demolition must be
reviewed and granted a Certificate of Appropriateness by the
Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission pdor to
the issuance of a Building Permit, and
an application was submitted on January 13, 2010 to alter
the histodc landmark at 130 Village Lane, and
Commissioners made a visit to the site to inspect the
proposed project, and later met praliminadly with the owners
and their odginal designer, Gordon Price, and later with Mark
Schwartz, their architect. On six occasions the Commission
reviewed and commented on plans for proposed
alterations/additions to the house prior to the applicants filing
a formal application on January 13, 2010, and
a duly advertised public hearing for the purpose of
considering approval of the proposed alterations/additions
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
RECEIVED
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JUN $ 2010
BOARD OF APPEALS
was held on Mamh 16, 2010, within the 60 days specified in
Section 170-7b of the Town code, and
at that headng, the applicants advised the Commission that
they intended to_change the application to one for demolition
of the house at 130 Village Lane, necessitating an
amendment to their odginal application for
alterations/additions to the home and a further public hearing
on the proposed demolition of the home that was duly
advertised and held on April 20, 2010 within the 60 days
specified in Section 170-7c of the Code, and
On April 20, 2010, the Commission held a public hearing on
the amended application proposing the demolition of the
house at which time written and oral evidence were
presented, and
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
on April 20, 2010, the public hearing was held open for 14
days for additional public comment and was closed on May
3, 2010, and
the owners their application for the demolition of 130 Village
Lane that included a home inspection report by First Quality
Home Inspection, dated June 3, 2006, that the
Commissioners deem inadequate;_oral testimony about the
home; a petition executed by members of the community in
support of issuing a Certificate of Appropriateness; and a
streetscape rendering of a portion of Village Lane; and.
the Town Board, at the request of the Commissioners,
ordered a._Qn inspection by Joseph Fischetti, PE, submitted on
April 11, 2010, that concluded that, in his opinion, the one-
story main structure was in sound condition, is not beyond
restoration, and could be reasonably repaired to become
part of a properly designed addition that would maintain the
historical character of the Village Lane neighborhood, and
the proposed demolition of the structure requires no further
review by this Commission, and
based upon the testimony, documentation, and other
evidence, the Commission has made the following findings
of fact concerning the property and the proposal:
RECEIVED
3
BOARD OF APPEALS
130 Village Lane is a registered landmark property and a
contributing element of the Orient National Historic
Distdct
Constructed ca. 1858, the house is a wood frame, one
story building known as the Captain Mamus Brown
House. A later owner was a fisherman who closed the
house in the summer when he fished out of Montauk.
The 1974 SPLIA ('Society for the Preservation of L.I.
Antiquities). survey indicates a narrow entranceway; wide
floor boards upstairs; a non-working fireplace with an arm
for pots in the kitchen; and odginal woodwork around the
fireplace and door jambs.
The property is significant within the context of other
properties in the Orient Historic District which together
reflect the growth of the early village from a farming and
fishing community to a prominent year round and
summer residential district.
The property, although altered over the years to be
relevant for its time, remains a fine example of a simple
workman's home. It adds diversity to the Village Lane
streetscape.
130 Village Lane anchors the entrance to the Orient
National Historic District. Demolition of this landmark
would change the streetscape rhythm and decrease the
diversity of building styles that characterize Village Lane.
In its evaluation, the Commissioners have considered how,
and if, the proposal to demolish 130 Village Lane meets the
criteda outlined in Section 170-9A of the $outhold Town
Code, Criteria for Approval of Demolition or Removal of
Historic Landmarks.
As outlined in Section 170-9A, the Commissioners have
unanimously decided:
RECEIVED
JUN B 20i0
BOARD OF APPEALS
Item (1) The landmark is of historic value and its
demolition would alter the streetscape of Village Lane
and be to the detriment of the public interest.
· As indicated above, the property, although
altered over the years to be relevant for its
time, remains a fine example of a simple
workman's home. It adds diversity to the
Village Lane streetscape. Demolition of this
landmark that anchors the northern entrance to
the village would change the streetscape
rhythm and decrease the diversity of building
styles that characterize Village Lane.
Item (2) Retention of the landmark in its current or
similar fonw and location is important to the village's
histo[y and character.
· The property is significant within the context of
other properties in the Orient Historic District
which together reflect the history and growth of the
early village from a farming and fishing community
to a prominent year round and summer residential
district. There are few examples of this type and
size home lee in Orient. Its demolition would
significantly change the character of Village Lane.
Item (3) The landmark is of such old and unusual or
uncommon design, texture and material that it could
not be reproduced or be reproduced only with great
di~culty.
· Although not historically significant because of its
design, its type a small, rather plain and
unadorned workman's or f/sherman's home of the
mid-t9m century- makes it an important
contributor to the overall streetscape and history of
Village Lane. Granted, it could be reproduced
without great difficulty. It should be noted here
that the owners' original application was to
considerably increase the size of the house, thus
significantly altering the streetscape as the visitor
enters the historic district.
RECEIVED
JUN 8 2010
BOARD OF ~A~PEALS
Item (4)_Retention of the landmark would help
preserve and protect an historic area in the Town.
· 130 Village Lane is a registered landmark property
and a contributing element of the Orient National
Historic District. As such, it significantly
contributes to the general historic ambience and
attractiveness of not only Orient village, but also
the entire Town, especially as visitors arrive from
the East off the ferry.
Item (5) Retention of the landmark will help promote
the general welfare by maintaining and increasing rea/
estate values and encourage interest in local history
and architecture.
· Properties in Orient, especially in the historic
district, continue to be sought after as both year
round and summer homes. Even in the current
depressed real estate market, pdces in Orient
have generally not decreased and some have
even increased over non-historic properties.
Visitors continue to visit the museums of the
Oysterponds Historical Society and patronize their
programs on Odent history. As a registered
landmark, 130 Village Lane contributes to the
overall attractiveness of the hamlet that draws new
home owners and visitors to the area.
The official policy of the Landmark Preservation
Commission is to not permit demolition of a
landmark structure unless there is no prudent
alternative. The Commission cannot allow a
registered landmark to be demolished under
circumstencss where the structure can be renovated
and altered to accommodate the needs of an
applicant.
· The Commission notes that there is a design
alternative (See Town of Southold Landmarks
Preservation Commission (LPC) Handbook, Part Ih
Design Guidelines for Appropriate Design in the
Historic Context) and that the owners can
accomplish their goals without demolishing this
historic structure.
RECEIVED
BOARD OF APPEALS
The Southold Town Landmarks Preservation
Commission (LPC) adheres to the Secretary of the
Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation (See LPC
Handbook, Appendix-II. The Standards are ten basic
principles created to help preserve the distinctive
character of a histodc building and its site, while allowing
for reasonable change to meet new needs.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Landmarks
Preservation Commission determines that the proposal as
presented at the public headng on April 20, 2010,
Will have a substantial adverse effect on the
aesthetic, historical and architectural significance of
the Orient National Historic District, and
Does not meet the criteria for approval under Section
170-9 of the Southold Town Code, Criteria for
Approval of Demolition or Removal of Historic
Landmarks, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Commission denies the
request for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the
demolition of 130 Village Lane, Orient, NY with the
following conditions: the applicant may apply for relief
on the ground that the determination results in a
hardship in accordance with the procedures in Section
170-10.
Record of Vote: 6-0- 1
Yes.
James Garretson
James Grathwohl
Larry Jungblut
Mel Phaff
Ron Rossi
Barbara Sci
Signed:
No: Recused:
None Douglas Constant
tzler ~ /// / --
,
Mrnos. F. G~hl -
Chairman, Landmarks Preservation Commission
The following action was taken by the Southold Town Board of Trustees at their Regular
Meeting held on Wed., May 19, 2010:
Resolution for Trustee Participation in the NEPA Scoping Session for Plum Island
Greenport School, Greenport N.Y., May 20, 2010
Whereas the Southold Trustees were pivotal in the ascent of democracy in this region when a Patent
was negotiated in 1676, giving all right, title and interest to the Lands of Southold, including the said
Island, Plum;
Whereas the Southold Town Trustees, one of the oldest, independent and continuously functioning
bodies politic, elected by the people, were separated from the Town Board under the New York State
Laws of 1893 to continue the Peoples Trust in Lands, Waters and Natural Resources;
Whereas not specifically adopting a resolution as a "cooperating agency "in the instant EIS process,
but nonetheless known for closeness to the People of the Town and for respect and rectitude in their
dealings with all agencies.
...and whereas the Southold Town Trustees are the proud conservators of the remaining undivided
Lands of the Corchaug, with whom all our ancestor's deeds were peaceful and honorable and shall
always remain;
Whereas the People of the United States have invested themselves greatly in the said Island, Plum,
with activities proper and necessary to advance the Safety and Security of the Homeland, the Food
Supply, the Health and Well-being of both Man and Animals, while advancing the Sciences that
benefit us all;
Whereas the Southold Trustees are mindful that such proper activities may have had unintended
consequences to the environment and may have included activities that unintentionally altered the
undivided lands of the People of Southold that may have co-existed contiguous to the Property of the
People of the United States for all these years;
We therefore call upon the GSA, USDA, DHS, all contractors and cooperating agencies to include in
the EIS:
1. A thorough review of the historical land ownership and land use practices on Plum Island
detailing in particular all activities that may have taken place over time and identifying all
operations which have had the effect to cut, fill, dredge, de-vegetate, de-populate areas now or
formerly known as, but not limited to: tidal marshes, formerly connected wetlands, coastal
fresh marshes, creeks, streams, bays, ponds lakes, tidal shoals and mud flats.
2. A detailed review of property records and deeds, searching for any records of sales, leases,
transfers or quitclaim deeds by the Board of Southold Trustees to any entity and specific
detailed information whereof no such information is found to exist.
3. From a range of alternatives, including the no action alternative, discuss remediation and
restoration of affected wetland areas generally described in "1." above, including the Southold
Town Trustees in discussions of remediation of aforesaid wetland areas insofar as is possible,
especially for lands, under-water lands or formerly under-water lands for which the People of
Southold may have a property interest, if no deed or quitclaim deed was ever executed by the
Trustees transferring ownership to prior owners.
4. The Town trustees put a premium on remediation efforts, with due appreciation for ownership
and title, which will recreate functional wetland systems, with natural outlets to the sea, where
the people may pursue fish, fowl, shellfish and all manner of sport and recreation, as has been
the custom in this place.
(On Letterhead)
SECOND DRAFT
(Changes from first draft are underlined.)
Certificate of Appropriateness
Date:
RE:
Owners:
RESOLUTION:
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS
WHEREAS,
May 18, 2010
130 Village Lane, Orient, NY 11957; SCTM #1000-18-5-6
Julien and Claudia Ramone
130 Village Lane, Orient, NY is on the Town of Southold,
New York State and National Registers of Historic Places,
and
as set forth in Section 170 of the Town Law (Landmarks
Preservation Code) of the Town of Southold, all proposals
for material change/alteration or demolition must be
reviewed and granted a Certificate of Appropriateness by the
Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission prior to
the issuance of a Building Permit, and
an application was submitted on January 13, 2010 to alter
the historic landmark at 130 Village Lane, and
Commissioners made a visit to the site to inspect the
proposed project, and met informally with the owners and
their original desiqner, Gordon Price, and later with Mark
Schwartz, their architect. On six occasions we reviewed
plans for proposed alterations/additions to the house prior to
their filing a formal application on January 13, 2010, and
a public hearing for the purpose of considering approval of
the proposed alterations/additions was held on March 16,
2010, within the 60 days specified in Section 170-7b of the
Town code, and
WHEREAS
WHEREAS
WHEREAS
WHEREAS
WHEREAS
WHEREAS
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at that hearing, the applicants changed the application to
one for demolition of the house at 150 Village Lane,
necessitating a new public hearing that was duly advertised
and held on April 20, 2010 within the 60 days specified in
Section 170-7c of the Code, and
that public hearing, held open for 14 days for additional
public comment was concluded on May 3, 2010, and
the owners based their application for the demolition of 130
Village Lane on a home inspection report by First Quality
Home Inspection, dated June 3, 2006, that the
Commissioners deemed inadequate, and.
the Town Board, at the request of the Commissioners,
ordered a new inspection by Joseph Fischetti, PE, submitted
on April 11, 2010, that concluded that, in his opinion, the
one-story main structure was in sound condition, is not
beyond restoration, and could be reasonably repaired to
become part of a properly designed addition that would
maintain the historical character of the Village Lane
neighborhood, and
it appears that the project requires no further review, and
the Commission has made the following findings of fact
concerning the property and the proposal:
130 Village Lane is a registered landmark property and a
contributing element of the Orient National Historic
District
Constructed ca. 1858, the house is a wood frame, one
story building known as the Captain Marcus Brown
House. A later owner was a fisherman who closed the
house in the summer when he fished out of Montauk.
The 1974 SPLIA (Society for the Preservation of L.I.
Antiquities) survey indicates a narrow entranceway; wide
floor boards upstairs; a non-working fireplace with an arm
for pots in the kitchen; and original woodwork around the
fireplace and door jambs.
The property is significant within the context of other
properties in the Orient Historic District which together
3
reflect the growth of the early village from a farming and
fishing community to a prominent year round and
summer residential district.
The property, although altered over the years to be
relevant for its time, remains a fine example of a simple
workman's home. It adds diversity to the Village Lane
streetscape.
130 Village Lane anchors the entrance to the Orient
National Historic District. Demolition of this landmark
would change the streetscape rhythm and decrease the
diversity of building styles that characterize Village Lane.
In its evaluation, the Commissioners have considered how,
and if, the proposal to demolish 130 Village Lane meets the
criteria outlined in Section 170-9A of the Southold Town
Code, Criteria for Approval of Demolition or Removal of
Historic Landmarks.
As outlined in Section 170-9A, the Commissioners have
unanimously decided:
Item (1) The landmark is of historic value and its
demolition would alter the streetscape of Village Lane
and be to the detriment of the public interest.
Item (2) Retention of the landmark in its current or
similar form and location is important to the village's
history and character.
Item (3) Not applicable
Item (4) Retention of the landmark would help
preserve and protect an historfc area in the Town.
Item (5) Retention of the landmark will help promote
the general we/fare by maintaining and increasing real
estate values and encourage interest in local history
and architecture.
The official policy of the Landmark Commission is to not
permit demolition of a landmark structure unless there is
no prudent alternative.
4
We believe a design alternative does exist. (See Town of
Southold Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC)
Handbook, Part I1: Design Guidelines for Appropriate
Design in the Historic Context)
The Southold Town Landmarks Preservation
Commission (LPC) adheres to the Secretary of the
Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation (See LPC
Handbook, Appendix II. The Standards are ten basic
principles created to help preserve the distinctive
character of a historic building and its site, while ailowin.q
for reasonable change to meet new needs.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Landmarks
Preservation Commission determines that the proposal as
presented at the public hearing on April 20, 2010,
· Will have a substantial adverse effect on the
aesthetic, historical and architectural significance of
the Orient National Historic District, and
· Does not meet the criteria for approval under Section
170-9 of the Southold Town Code, Criteria for
Approval of Demolition or Removal of Historic
Landmarks, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Commission denies the
request for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the
demolition of 130 Village Lane, Orient, NY with the
following conditions: the applicant may apply for relief
on the ground that the determination results in a
hardship in accordance with the procedures in Section
170-10.
Record of Vote: 6 - 0 - 1
Yes.
James Garretson
James Grathwohl
Larry Jungblut
Mel Phaff
Ron Rossi
Barbara Schnitzler
No: Abstain:
None Douglas Constant
Signed:
Date: May 18, 2010
James F. Grathwohl
Chairman, Landmarks Preservation Commission
(On letterhead)
SECOND DRAFT
(Changes from first draft are underlined.)
Date (no later than May 25)
Mr. and Mrs. Julien Ramone
130 Village Lane
Orient, NY 11957
RE: Certificate of Appropriateness
Via: Registered Mail
Dear Mr. and Mrs. Ramone:
At its meeting on May 18, the Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) voted
to deny your application to demolish your landmark house at 130 Village Lane in Orient.
The Certificate of Appropriateness explaining the Commission's reasons is enclosed.
The Commission is charged by Town Code to do what is necessary to preserve
the Town's architectural heritage. The official policy of the Landmarks Preservation
Commission is to not permit demolition of a landmark structure unless there is no
prudent alternative. Is this case, there are alternatives to demolishing 130 Village Lane.
The Orient National Historic District is unique. Your proposal would have a substantial
adverse effect on the aesthetic, historical and architectural significance of the Historic
District.
As explained in Chapter170-11, Appeals, of the Town Code, you may apply for
relief within 30 days of our decision by filing a written application with the Town Board for
review of the decision. Reviews shall be conducted on the same record that was before
the Commission and using the criteria set forth in this chapter.
If you choose to alter rather than demolish your landmark house, the
Commission would willingly advocate on your behalf with other Town agencies. We
believe you can find a design solution consistent with the guidelines in the Town of
Southold's Landmark Preservation Commission Handbook. If the house is demolished,
both the LPC and the Zoning Board would consider the replacement structure a new
house that would have to be built under current codes and restrictions.
If you decide not to demolish the house at 130 Village Lane, the Commission will
expedite scheduling of a new public hearing on the alterations.
Sincerely,
James F. Grathwohl
Chairman
Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission
CC: Supervisor Russell
Members of the Town Board
Building Department
Code Enforcement Officer
Zoning Board of Appeals
RECE.JVED ..~ ~.~'~
~AY 8 2011]
BOARD OFAPPEALS
130 Village Lane, Orient
ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS
OF THE STRUCTURE AND COMMENT ON
ARCHITECTURAL AND STRUCTURAL AREAS OF SIGNIFICANCE
TOWN OF SOUTOLD
Main Road
Southold, NY
Submitted by
1725 Hobart Road / PO Box 6].6
Southold, NY 11971
631- 765-2954
Page I
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~AY 6 20~0
BOARD OF APPEALS
The subject structure is located at 130 Village Lane in the Village of O~nt Histo~c District. The
owner had submitted prior p~ans to the Town for renovations and additi(ms. At the present firne
the owner of the property has requested to demolish the structure and rebuild a new residence.
The information in this report is to be used by the Town of Southold in its deliberations regarding
this request.
Joseph Fischetti, PE is a professional engineer licensed to practice in New York State. Mr.
Fischetti has been in private practice since 1976 and has been a commerdal and residential
builder for 30 yeem.
Mr. Fischetti has a degree of Civil Engineming from Villanova University in Pennsylvania. He
also has a Masters Degree of Business Administration from Adelphi University.
The subject properly contains a main structure consisling of a wood framed one story home that
was constructed in the mid to late 19· century, it has a stacked stone foundation with a crawl
space below the first floor and an attic above. There is a central fireplace and Ixick flue, A wood
framed addition wes constmctod to the rear of the meln siructum. This addition contains a
kitchen and toilet areas. Additkms such as this am typical du~ng the lalter part of the 19· century
and the eady part of the 20a century with the advent of elect~dty from the Greenport Power
Rent. Electric water pumps brongM indoor plumbing to homes that had outhouses, cooking
sheds and outdoor hand pomps.
The o~ginal main 1 story structure is the only ama of discussion for this report. The mar addition,
while pmbebly over 100 ye,am old, is of poor quality and not significant for consideration.
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MAY 6 2010
BOARD OF APPEALS
EXTERIOR
Tho exterior of main single sto~j structure is in odginai condition with the exception of tho siding
and roofing. The original s'~ing which could have bee~ horizontal bevel siding or waod shingles
was removed and asbestos shingles were installed onto lhe existing sheathing. The o~ginal roof,
which was most likely wood shingles was removed and asphalt shingles ware installed.
Windows, fascia and exterior trim seem original.
Thore are Yankee gutters on the home to handle the roof runoff, which seem to be in use at this
time and are typical for this area and lime of ~n. You find many homes with this type of
gutter system removed and aluminum gutters installed on the fascia.
There is no evidence of movement in the exterior walls. The chimney flue joints are in good
shape and tho bdck seems sound and free from movement. I was told by tho owner that the
internal flue is damaged and the fireplace is not in use.
The structure seems tight and free from leaks which would cause intemal rot and damage to the
building.
FOUNDATDN
The stacked stone foundation has tho exterior face area covered with mortar. Normally these
older stacked stone foundation did not penetrate below thesurfaca more than 12 inches. The
soil conditions on the North Fork, in most areas, are sandy which resists frost heave. Soils lhat
contain large amounts of loam will fl'eeze, expand and damage foundations. It has been my
expedenca that oU foundations whether concrete or stacked stone placod on sandy soil are just
as sound as foundations placed in the required 3 feet below the surface as required by code.
The space below the first floor is a crawl space with a di~t floor. The crawl area was too Iow to
access. The view was from an opening in the small basement area of the rear kitchen addition.
The floor structure was constructed with 3'x8' wood joist members. I noted that some main
wood membem contained older termite damage that had been repaired. That is not out of the
ordinary for a home of this age.
The stone foundation was in sound comli~n. This conduslen is from the lack of movement in
the foundation wall the wall. The first wood floor structure may require additional supporting due
to rot and insect damage not seen.
NOTE: Any discussk~.s of renovations to this structure should consider excavating a basement
under the home. This has been dens succasdully by the Group for the East EndJn the Village of
Southold. The excavation was done with the home in place. This allows easy access to the
lower structure for repairs and inclusion utilities.
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RECE/VED
BOARD OF APPEALS
The following photo is a 1860% 2 stop home in Gmenport where the crawi sp~e was dig out
into a full basement. The block wall (dutch wall) supports the existing stone founda~don that is 4
feet away and only 12 inches into the soil. The new basement allowed carpenters to re-support
existing rotted floor joists as shown and the installation of a new warm air heating and cooling
system.
The girder above the wall adds edditlonel support to the existing foundation.
II~rF. RIOR
The intedor of the original main home consists of; living room, small dining area, one bedroom,
stairway to attic, and a small storage or food preparation room. The §replace uniquely faces the
rear of the home and not into any room. This was probably a working fireplace to heat food and
water.
The interior is generally original wilh some minor partrdon changes. Wir,~ows trim, doors, walls
and floors are all in excellent condition. There is no evidence of major movement in the floors or
walls. The finished floors are oak installed in a spiral pattern.
The first floor ceiling height is 7'-2", typical for the time. NOTE. Current building codes require 7'-
6' as minimum height for habitable areas. Because this is an existing historic stmcturs,
compliance is not required.
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The attic has been papally finished with pmssad board and lattice strips. The unfinished attic
reveals roof rafters consisting of 3'x 5" at 42 inches on center. Wide plank magh sawn boards
(+12 inches wide) are the roof sheathing. Re-supporting the existing rafters can easily be done
without removing the existing structure.
The height from the attic floor to the top of the milers is 6'-9'. Not high enough for habitable
space without mframing the roof.
It is assumed that exterior walls do not contain insulation. This condition can he repaired easily
prior to installing the new exterior siding by blowing in insula~oo into'the stud spaces from the
outside.
Conclusions
The current 1 sto~y rain stroctum is in sound condition. The foundation of stacked stones has
supported the structom for over 100 years with no movement It should be adequate to support
the normal loads expected for the structure even though the bottom of the foundation does not
go below the frost line of 3 feet below the surface
The attic space is too-low for habitable space. If a 2"d floor habitable space is contemplated, the
roof structure would need tO be removed to provide proper ceiling height. With the additional
loading of a 2"d floor, an architect or engineer would need to evaluate existing foundation and
cerfly its adequacy. I have designed internal 'dutch' walb to take up most of the 2"d floor
loading during the excavation of the basement in areas where the existing exterior wall could not
support the load. (See photo above) This arrangement would preclude foundation removal,
The existing structure.is too small to be used as is and would require add~ structures to be
constructed to the mar for the additional rooms
The exte~r of the main stmcturo would require minimal repairs. Removal of the asbestos siding
and replacing bevel siding or wood shingles would require no changes to the framing or trim.
Statement
It is my opinion that the existing main single stoQt structure is sound and in good condition and
can he reasonably repaired to become pad of a properly designed addition to keep the character
The Existing Building Cede of New York State under section 'Historic Building' allows great
latitude in pmse~ing historic buildings especially when there is no change in usa, such as in this
case,
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This report of findings submitted this April 11, 2010
Joseph Fisch.tti, PE
This engineering repot is furnished to evaluate existing conditions to 130 V'dlage Lane, Orient, NY
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FORM NO. 3
NOTICE OF DISAPPROVAL
TO:
Mark Schwartz for
J & C Ramone
P O Box 933
Cutchogue, NY 11935
DATE: November 12, 2009
Revised: February 5, 2010
Please take notice that your application dated October 27, 2009
For permit for demolition & new dwelling at
Location of property: 130 Village Lane, Orient, NY
County Tax Map No. 1000 - Section 18 Block 5 Lot 6
Is returned herewith and disapproved on the following grounds:
The proposed demolition & new construction is not permitted pursuant to Article XXIII Section 280-
122A which states:
"Nothing in this article shall be deemed to prevent the remodeling, reconstruction or enlargement of a
nonconforming building containing a conforming use, provided that such action does not create any
new nonconformance or increase the degree of nonconformance with regard to the regulations
pertaining to such buildings."
Per Section 280-124, lots measuring less than 20,000 sq. fi. require a minimum front & rear yard of 35'
& a minimum side yard of 10'.
The proposed construction notes a front yard of 3.3' and rear yard of 20.9' & a side yard of 2.6'.
Also~ per Section 280-124~ the required lot coverage is 20%. The proposed lot coverage will
increase from 25.4% to 27.1%.
Furthermore, the proposed additions & alterations are not permitted without review and approval by
the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission, because the property is listed on either the
Southold Town, New York State and/or the National Registers of Historic Places and requires review
by the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission.
If the requirements of the town code, pertaining to Landmarks (Local Law No. 22) are met, a
Certificate of Appropriateness (C of A) will be issued. The C of A is required before a Building Permit
will be approved. Information about the requirements for applying for a C of A is available at the
information counter in the Building Department.
/ Authorized Signature
Cc file, ZBA, Landmark
FORM NO. 3
NOTICE OF DISAPPROVAL
TO:
Mark Schwartz lbr
J & C Ranione
P O Box 933
Cutchogue. NY 11935
Please take notice that your application dated October 27, 2009
DATE: November 12, 2009
Revised: Nov.19,2009 "~63..~
RECEIVED
BOARD OF APPEAI.~
/5'
For permit tbr additions & alterations (2"5 story construction) to an existing building at
Location of property: 130 Village Lane, Orient, NY
County Tax Map No. 1000 - Section 1~8 Block 5 Lot 6
Is returned herewith and disapproved on the following grounds:
The proposed additions & alterations are not permitted pursuant to Article XXIII Section 280-122A
which states:
"Nothing in this article shall be deemed to prevent the remodeling, reconstruction or enlargement of a
nonconforming building containing a conforming use, provided that such action does not create any
new nonconformance or increase the degree of nonconformance with regard to the regulations
pertaining to such buildings."
Per Section 280-124, tots measuring less than 20,000 sq. ft. require a minimumJFdh~ rear yard of 35'
& a minimum side yard of 10'. ~/front~ard'/--- , /''X~ ,~'\_~
The proposed construction notes of 9.3 an4 rear y~d of 20.9 & a'-~de ya, r,d of 2.6'.
Pursuant to Walz (5039), such constmc-'~on will thus cons~rim~e an increase in the degree of
nonconformance. ~
Also, per Section 280-124, the require0 lot 20%. The proposed lot coverage will
increase from 25.4% to 27.1%.... ~j
Furthermore, the proposed additions & alterations are not permitted without review and approval by
the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission, because the property is listed on either the
Southold Town, New York State and/or the National Registers of Historic Places and requires review
by the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission.
lfthe requirements of the town code, pertaining to Landmarks (Local Law No. 22) are inet, a
Certificate of Appropriateness (C of A) will be issued. The C of A is required before a Building Permit
will be approved. Information about the requirements for applying for a C of A is available at the
information c~uat,er in the Building Department.
Authorized Signature
Cc file, ZBA, Landmark
FORM NO. 3
NOTICE OF DISAPPROVAL
DATE: November 12, 2009
TO: Mark Schwartz for
J & C Ramone
P O Box 933
Cutchogue, NY 11935
Please take notice that your application dated October 27, 2009
For permit for additions & alterations (2nd story construction) to an existing building at
Location of property: 130 Village Lane, Orient, NY
County Tax Map No. 1000-Section 18 Block5 Lot6
Is returned herewith and disapproved on the following grounds:
The proposed additions & alterations are not permitted pursuant to Article XXIII Section 280-122A
which states:
"Nothing in this article shall be deemed to prevent the remodeling, reconstruction or enlargement of a
nonconforming building containing a conforming use, provided that such action does not create any
new nonconformance or increase the degree of nonconformance with regard to the regulations
pertaining to such buildings."
Per Section 280-124, lots measuring less than 20,000 sq. fi. require a minimum fi-ont & rear yard of 35'
& a minimum side yard of 10'. ~---~
The proposed construction not~fi~ont yard ~f9~. ', an~d re~ yard of2~ ~ a side yard of}.6 .
Pursuant to Walz (5039), such i:onatruetion ff s ' ' ase in~
nonconformance.
Also, per Section 280-124, the required lot coverage is 20%. The propo~'e~t~lot cove~ill increase
fi.om 21.6% to 26%.
Furthermore, the proposed additions & alterations are not permitted without review and approval by
the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission, because the property is listed on either the
Southold Town, New York State and/or the National Registers of Historic Places and requires review
by the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission.
If the requirements of the town code, pert~fming to Landmarks (Local Law No. 22) are met, a
Certificate of Appropriateness (C orA) will be issued. The C orA is required before a Building Permit
will be approved. Information about the requirements for applying for a C of A is available at the
information counter in the Building Depmtment.
Author/zed Signature
Cc file, ZBA, Landmark
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SURVEY OF
DESCRIBED PROPERTY
SITUATE
ORIENT, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SUFFOLK COUNTY, N.Y.
SURVEYED FOR: CLAUDIA JANE RAMONE
JULIEN RAMONE
TM# 1000-018-05-006
BOARD OF APPEALS
2LJA~AN fEED TO
OLAUDJA JANE EAMONE
.,JLiEN RAMONE
SURVEYED: 18 DECEMBER 2007
SCALE 1"= 20'
AREA - 3,990 S.F.
OR
0,092 ACRES
SURVEYED BY
STANLEY d. ISAKSEN, JR
P.O. BOX 294
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MAP PREPAR£D
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ALONG THE WESTERLY SIDE
OF VILLAGE LANE, ORIENT, INDICATING
OFFSETS FROM THE STRUCTURES TO TIdE
PROPERTY LINE FOR
A DISTANCE OF 300' SOUTHERLY OF
THE RAMONE RESIDENCE.
PREPARED FOR: JULIEN RAMON£
CLAUDIA JANE RAMONE
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FIELD WORK DONE 24 MARCH 2008
SCALE 1"= 50'
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SCREENED PORCH:
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MATERIALS:
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SLATE COLOR ARCHITECTURAL ROOF SHINGLES
NATURAL CEDAR SHINGLE SIDING
VJHITE EXTERIOR TRIM~JORK
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EAST ELEVATION
SCALE: 1/4"= ]'-0"
WEST' ELEVATION
SCALLE: 1/4" = 1'-0"
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NOV 2 4 2009
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11'-6"
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SCALE: 1/4" = 1'-0'
NOV ~ ~ 2009
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EXISTING SOUTH ELEVATION
SCALE: 1/4" = 1'-0"
EXISTING NORTH ELEVATION
SCALE: 1/4" = 1'-0"
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SCALE: 1/4" = 1'-0"
EXISTING WEST ELEVATION
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Office No~s:
APPLICATIOeO THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
-- Filed By:.
For Office Use Only
Date Assigned/Assignment No.
HouseNo. 130 Street Village Lane
SCTM 1000Section 18 Block 05 Lot(s) 06
Hamlet Orient
LotS~e 3990 sf Zone R40
I (WE) APPEAL THE WRITTEN DETERMINATION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR
DATED 11/19/09 BASED ON MAP DATED 10/27/09
Applicant(s)/Owner(s): Claudia & Julien Ramone
MailingAddress: 130 Village Lane Orient New York 11957
Telephone: 646-243-1251 Fax#: Email: chloejane3@hotmail.com
julien o ramone~gmail, com
Name of Representative: Mark Schwart z, Architect for (X) Owner, or ( ) Othem
Agent's Address: PO BOX 933 Cutchogue 11935
Telephone 734-4185 Fax#: 734-2110 Emaihmksarchit ect@optonline, net
Please check box to specify who you wish correspondence to be mailed to, from the above names:
~ Applicant/Owner(s), or ~ Authorized Representative, or [] Other Name/Address below:
V~IEREBY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR REVIEWED MAP DATED 10 / 27 / 09 and DENIED
AN APPLICATION DATED 10/27/09 FOR:
~Building Permit
[] Certificate of Occupancy [] Pre-Certificate of Occupancy
[3 Change of Use
[] Permit for As-Built Construction
[3Other:
Provision of the Zoning Ordinance Appealed. (Indicate Article, Section, Subsection of Zoning
Ordinance by numbers. Do not quota the code.)
Article XXIII Section 280- 122A & 124 Subsection
Type of Appeal. An Appeal is made for: · A Variance to the Zoning Code or Zoning Map.
[] A Variance due to lack of access required by New York Town Law-Section 280-A.
[] Interpretation of the Town Code, Article Section
[] Reversal or Other
A prior appeal [] has, I~has not been made at anv time with resuect to this uroocrtv. UNDER Appeal
No. __Year__. (Please be sure to research before completing this question or call our office for
assistanc&)
Name of Owner: ZBA~e# ~3~f'"RF"CEIVED
REASONS FOR APPEAL (~,~,~"~na~ ~t*e~ mat, be used with or~trer's shmamre~: ~ ~ il ? ~ ? %
AREA V,4RL4NCE RE,4SONS: BOARD OF AppEALS
(1) An undesirable change will not be produced in the CHAI~A. CTER of the neighborh .o~d or~a. ~
detriment to nearby properties if granted, .bgcau~: the. gran~xng ?f.,the r.e ,q~_,_st_e~o~ _r=el=~_er --
will not: create any change ~n the. cnarac.cer or c.ne. ne. xgv_oo.~n, opu peca. u~=
the size and scale of this house is consist:eat wlt:n t:ne nelgtlDorlng l/ouses.
The e×±st:ing ho.us.e is a t:.wo s. to.rx st~.uc_~_ur.e w.±th a r±dge he±ght: of 16 feet
and t:he proposea nas a r±uge ne±ght o~ ~ =eec.
(2) The benefit sought by the applicant CANNOT be achieved by some method feasible for the
applicant to pursue, other than an area variance, because: t:he propert:¥ ± s only. 092 acres
so we are unable to ach±eve the proper set:backs.
(3) Theamountofreliefrequested~notsu~mntialbecause:the proposed setbacks are equal
to the existing setbacks and the height of the building is proposed to be
only 6 feet higher than the existing.
(4) The variance will NOT have an adverse effect or impact on the physical or environmental conditions
in the neighborhood or district because:the si.ze and scale of the proposed structure
matches the size and scale of t~e residences on Village Lane.
(5) Has the alleged difficulty been self-crcated? ( )Yes, or
Are there Covenants and Restrictions concerning this land: [~ No. [3 Yes (~/ease furnish coovL
This is the MINIMU3I that is necessary and adequate, and at the same time preserve and protect the
character of the neighborhood and the health, safety, and welfare of the community.
Check this box ( ) IF A USE VARIANCE IS BEING REQUESTED, AN~D P~E COMPLETE
ATTACHED USE VARIANCE SHEET: (Please besu~yOur/~/~)~7~'?~'~
Signature'~Appellant o~s(.~u~.~u orized Agent
Sworn to before me this ~-~ (Agent must ~mbmit written Aathk~on from Owner)
dayof ~-~
Notary Public
THE
ALICIA WALKF..R
t/Mary Public, State of New York
No. 01WA6153064
Qualified in Suffolk County
Commission Expires Sept. 25,~
RECEIVED
Appiieant:Mark Schwartz
APPLICANT'S PROJECT DESCRIPTION
(For ZBA Reference)
for Ramone
Date Prepered:ll/07/09
BOARD OF APPEALS
I. For Demolition of Existing Buil4ing Areas
Plcase dcscribe areas being removed: the existinq structure will be demolished
down to the existinq 1st floor deck.
II. New Construction Areas (New Dwelling or New Additions/Extensions): Dimensions offirst floor extension: 8 feet x 6 feet 8 inches
Dimensions ofnewsecendfloor:matches the footprint of the proposed 1st floor
Dimensions of floor above second level: none
Height (from finished ground to top of ridge): 22 feet
Is basement or lowest floor area being constructed? If yes, please provide height (above ground)
measured from natural existing grade to first floor: 18 inches
IlL Proposed Construction Description (Alterations or Structural Changes)
(atlach extra sheet if necessary) - Please describe building areas:
Number of Floors and General Characteristics BEFORE Alterations: 2 story house
partial 2nd floor)
(with
Number of Floors and Changes WITH Alterations: two story house (with full 2nd floor)
IV. Calculations of building areas and lot coverage (from surveyor):
Existing square footage of buildings on your property: 1014.1 s f
Proposed increase of building coverage: 68.9 sf
Square footage of your lot: 3990 sf
Percentage ofenverage ofyour lot by buliding area: existing 25.4%,
proposed 27.1%
V. Purpose ofNewConstruction: to create a full time residence for a
family of four.
VI. Plensedescribethelandcontours(flaLsiope%,heavi~ wooded, marsharea, e~Oonyourland
andhow R relatostothedifficul~in m~ting ~ecoderequiremen~s):
Flat land. It does not relate to the difficulty im meeting code
requirements.
Please submit seven (7) photos, labeled to show different angles of yard areas after staking corners
for new construction), and photos of building area to be altered with yard view.
7/2002; 2/2005; 1/2007
QUESTIONNAIRE
FOR FILING WITH YOUR Z.B.A. APPLICATION
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Is the subject premises listed on the real estate market for sale?
[] Yes [~No
Are there any proposals to change or alter land contours?
~No [] Yes, please explain on attached sheet.
1) Am them areas that contain sand or wetland grasses? no
2) Am these areas shown on thc map submitted with this application? n/a
3) Is the property bulkheaded between thc wetlands area and the upland building area?
n/a
4) If your property contains wetlands or pond areas, have you contacted the office of the
Town Trustees for its determination of jurisdiction? n/a Please conf'mn status of your
inquiry or application with the Trustees: n/a
and if issued, please attach copies of permit with conditions and approved map.
D. Is them a depression or sloping elevation near the area of proposed construction at or below five
feet above mean sea level? no
Am them any patios, concrete barriers, bulkheads or fences that exist and are not shown
on the survey map that you are submitting? no (Please show area of these
structures on a diagram if any exist. Or state "none" on the above line, if applicable.)
Do you have any construction taking place at this time concerning your promises? no
If yes, please submit a copy of your building permit and map as approved by the Building
Department and describe:
G. Do you or any co-owner also own other land close to this parcel? no
the proximity of your lands on your map with this application.
If yes, please label
~ and proposed use
~l~eS: e '~/~amil[; proposed: samc with garage or pool, or other description.)
Authoriz~xl S~gn:~(Irc~an4Date ' '/ [ '
Please list present use or operations conducted at this parcel single family dwelling
same with additional livinq area.
2/05; 1/07
&6Ss-7.
APPLICANT RECF-'~£D
TRANSACTIONAL DISCLOSURE FORM ,. - ~ .
(FOR SUBMISSION BY OWNER andOWNER'S AGENT) "('' 5' ~ /~'~
~O~RD OF APp
The Town of Southold's Code of Ethics prohibits conflicts of interest on the part of Town officers ~A/..S
and employees. The purpose of this form is to provide information, which can alert the Town of
possible conflicts of interest and allow it to take whatever action is necessary to avoid same.
(Last name, first 6amc, middle initial, unless you are applying in the name
of someone else or other entity, such as a company. If so, indicate the
other person or company name.)
NATURE OF APPLICATION: (Check all that apply.)
Tax Grievance
Variance X
Special Exception
If "Other",
name the activity:.
Change of Zone
Approval of Plat
Exemption from Plat
or Official Map
Other
Do you personally, (or through your company, spouse, sibling, parent, or child) have a relationship
with any officer or employee of the Town of Southold? "Relationship" includes by blood,
marriage, or business interest. "Business interest" means a business, including a partnership, in
which the Town officer or employee has even a partial ownership of (or employment by) a
corporation in which the Town officer or employee owns more than 5% oftbe shares.
YES NO X
Complete the balance of this form and date and sign below where indicated.
Name of person employed by the Town of Southold:
Title or position of that person:
Describe that relationship between yourself (the applicant) and the Town officer or employee.
Either check the appropriate line A through D (below) and/or describe the relationship in the space
provided.
The Town officer or employee or his or her spouse, sibling, parent, or child is (check all that
apply):
A) the owner of greater than 5% oftbe shares of the corporate stock
of the applicant (when the applicant is a corporation);
B) the legal or beneficial owner of any interest in a non-corporate entity
(when the applicant is not a corporation);
C) an officer, director, partner, or employee oftbe applicant; or
D) the actual applicant.
DESCRIPTION OF RELATIONSHIP
Submitted this ~_ day of k}O¥, ZOC~t~
Signature: ./~/7o-~//~ .-
PrintN~e: ~1~.~,~ ~H~
RAN APPLICANT
SACTIONAL DISCLOSURE FORM
(FOR SUBMISSION BY OWNER and OWNER'S AGENT)
ECE. tVED
BOARD OF APPEALS
The Town of Southold's Code of gthies prohibits conflicts of interest on the part of Town officers
and emnloyee$. The nurl~se o£this form is to provide information, which can aler~ the Town of
possible conflicts of interest and allow it to take whatever action is necessary to avoid same.
(Last name, firs/name, middle initial, uhless you ate applyingtn the name
of someone else or other entity, such as a company. If so, indicate the
other person or company name.)
NATURE OF APPLICATION: (Cheek all that apply.)
Tax Grievance
Variance X
Special Exception
If"Other",
name the activity:
Change of Zone
Approval of Plat
Exemption fxom Plat
or Official Map
Other
Do you personally, (or through your company, spouse, sibling, parent, or child) have a relationship
with any officer or employee of the Town of Southold? "Relationship" includes by blood,
marriage, or business interest. "Business interest" means a business, including a parmership, in
which the Town officer or employee has even a partial ownership of (or employment by) a
corporation in which the Town officer or employee owns more than 5% of the shares.
YES NO X
Complete the balance of this form and date and sign below where indicated.
Name of person employed by the Town of Southold:
Title or position of that person:
Describe that relationship between yourself (the applicant) and the Town officer or employee.
Either cheek the appropriate line A through D (below) and/or describe the relationship in the space
provided.
The Town officer or employee or his or her spouse, sibling, parent, or child is (check all that
apply):
A) the owner of greater than 5% of the shares of the corporate stock
of the applicant (when the applicant is a corporation);
B) the legal or beneficial owner of any interest in a non-corporate entity
(when the applicant is not a corporation);
C) an officer, di~tor, palmer, or employee of the applicant; or
D) the actual applicant.
DESCRIPTION OF RELATIONSHIP
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TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NY 11971
TEL: (631) 765-1802
FAX: (631) 765-9502
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TOWN OF $OUTHO[O
BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION CHECKLIST
Do you have or need the following, before applying?
Board of Health
4 sets of Building Plans
Planning Board approval
Survey
Check
Septic Form
N.Y.S.D.E.C.
Trustees
Flood Permit
Storm-Water Assessment Form
Contact:
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kTION FOR BUILDING PERMIT
INSTRUCTIONS
a. This application MUST be completely filled in by typewriter or in ink and submitted to the Building Inspector with 4
sets of plans, accurate plot plan to scale. Fee according to schedule.
b. Plot plan showing location of lot and of buildings on premises, relationship to adjoining premises or public streets or
areas, and waterways.
c. The work covered by this application may not be commenced before issuance of Building Permit.
d. Upon approval of this application, the Building Inspbctbr'will issue a Building Permit to the applicant. Such a permit
shall be kept on the premises available for inspection throughout the work.
e. No building shall be o.ccupied or used in whole or in part for any purpose what so ever until the Building Inspector
issues a Certificate of Occupancy.
f. Every building permit shall expire if the work authorized has not commenced within 12 months after the date of
iSSUance pr has not been completed within 18 months from such date. If no zoning amendments or other regulations affecting the
property Imve been ~nacted in the interim, the Building Inspector may authorizd, in writing, the extension of the permit for an
addifibn si~ moilths. Thereafter, a new permit shall be required. ~, .
APPLICATION IS HEKEBY MADE to the Building Department for the issuance of a Building Permit pursuant to the
Building Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and other applicable Laws, Ordinances or
Regulations, for the construction ofbuildings, additions, or alterations or for removal or demolition as herein described. The
applicant agrees to comply with all applicable laws, ordinances, building code, housing code, and regulat ns, and to admit
authorized inspectors on premises and in building for necessary inspections. ~.~
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(Signature ofapp~ ~r name, ifa corporation)
(Mailing address of applicant)
State whether applicant is owner, lessee, agent, architect, engineer, general contractor, electrician, plumber or builder
Nameofownerofpremises JOLt~J d CC~qo'O,~ ~,,~J,F.,'lo.,t~.g~
! (As on the tax roll or latest deed)
If applicant is a corporation, signature of duly authorized officer .
(Name and title of corporate officer)
Builders License No.
Plumbers License No.
Electricians License No.
Other Trade's License No.
Location of land on which proposed, work will be done:
House Number Street
Hamlet
County Tax Map No. 1000 Section
Subdivision
Block 0 ~
Filed Map No..
Lot
Lot
RI~CEI*VED
State existing use and occupancy of premises and intended use and occupancy of proposed c0nstmction:
a. Existing use and occupancy ~'/AJ~(_ ~' F,4 ,~1L t./ ,~'~"_ ~, ~l!~ ? ? 4 ?~&q
/
b. Intended use and occupancy ,~jit ~. ao~o O~l~Pl~ALq
Nature of work (check which applicable): e,w_B__u, il~,ing Addition ~, Alteration ~'
~I101[i{1~' ~ Other Work
Repair Removal ';4~ . ~
~ - (Description)
Estimated Cost Fee
If dwelling, number of dwelling units
If garage, *number6f'ears
(To be paid on filing this application)
Number of dwelling units on each floor
6. Ifbuginess cgmmercial or mixed occupancy, specify nature and extent of each type of use.
SEE ? c,q, £ "
7. Dimensions of existing structures, if any: Front Rear _ ..
Height. Number of Stories '
Dimensions of same structure with alterations or additions: Front', i.:
Depth. Height Number f Stories
t
8. Dimensions Of el~tii'e, new construction: Front Rear ....
Height Number of Stories
9. Size of!ot: Front ~t~. ~V/'~ q ,~
Rear Y Depth
10. Date of Purchase
Name of Former Owner
11. Zone or use district in which premises are situated
12. Does proposed construction violate any zoning law, ordinance or regulation? YESes_ NO
13. Will lot be re-graded? YES__ NO ~,, Will excess fill be removed from premises? YES__
14. Names of Owner of premises /"~,~ ,sd ~ ?--~-2'_ Address Phone No. ~
Name of Architect ~C ~t/t~./~/f-. I F_ Address Phone No
Name of Contractor Address Phone No.
15 a. Is this property within 100 feet of a tidal wetland or a freshwater wetland? *YES NO _ .
* IF YES, SOUTHOLD TOWN TRUSTEES & D.E.C. PERMITS MAY BE,,,REQUIRED.
b. Is this property within 300 feet of a tidal wetland? * YES NO
* IF YES, D.E.C. PERMITS MAY BE REQUIRED.
16. Provide survey, to scale, with accurate foundation plan and distances to property lines.
17. If elevfition at any point on proi~e~ty is at i 0 feet or below, must provide topographical data on survey.
18. Are there any covenants and restrictions with respect to this property? * YES NO ~
· IF YES, PROVIDE A COPY.
STATE OF NEW YORK)
SS: '.
COU~OF ~.//IA~,~/t,~,~..? ' bern rial sworn de se ~d a sth
,~,~,~. 'g y , poss y at (s)he is the applicant
(Name of individual signing c'ontr~ct) above named,
(S)He is the
(Contrac;to~ Ageht,/C'orpo{a~; Offic~er, etc.)
of said owner or owners, and is duly authorized to perform or have performed the said work and to make and file this application;
that all statements contained in this application are tree to the best of his knowledge and belief; and that the work will be
performed in the manner set forth in the application filed therewith.
Sworn to before me this
day of ~,~k...~- 20~
ALICIA WALKER
Notary Public 'No. 01~A6153084
Qualified in Suffolk Cou~l~
Commission Ex~ires
Signat~/~pplicant
IKCHITECT
RK SCHWARTZ & ASSOCIATES
RECEIVED
BOA~ 0 (
631.734.4183 I xx~x~.mksarchitcct.con~
November 23, 2009
Southold Town Board of Trustees
53095 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Re: Ramone Property
130 Village Lane
Orient, New York
Dear Zoning Board Office:
The Owners have reviewed their property deed and have stated that there are no covenants or
restrictions for residential construction, however, an approval from the Landmark Preservation
Commission is required.
Please call this office if you have questions or need any additional information.
Sincerely,
A 1 A
Claudia & Julien Ramone
130 Village Lane
Orient, New York 11957
RECEIVED
80A~D OF APPEALS
646-243-1251
October 28, 2009
To Whom It May Concern:
We, Claudia & Julien Ramone, authorize Mark Schwartz, AIA-
Architect, to act as agent for permit applications to the Southold Town
Building Department and Southold Town Zoning Board of Appeals.
The proposed residential construction project is located at 130
Village Lane Orient, New York (SCTM# 1000-18-05-06).
Sincerely,
Claudia & Julien Ramone
date: I~[~(~ (,i"~'~2
?~--/~F-o'--~' TOWN OF SOUTHOLD PROPERTY RECORD CARD
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RES. ~ ~l~ S~S. VL. FARM COMM. CB. MISC. Mkt.
Value
~ND IMP. TOTAL DATE REMARKS
' ' 4
AGE BUILDING CONDITION
N~ NORMAL BELOW ABOVE '
FARM Acre Value Per Value
Acre
Tillable 1
Tillable 2
Woodland
Swampland FRONTAGE ON WATER
Brushland FRONTAGE ON ROAD (~ / ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ O
House Plot DEPTH ~ 0 ~
BULKH~D
Total DOCK
COLOR
TRIM
M. Bldg.
Extension
Extension
'Foundation
Basement
Ext. Walls
Extension Fire Place
Type Roof
Porch
Porch
Breezeway
Garage
Patio
Recreation Room
Dormer
Driveway
Bath
Floors
Interior Finish
Heat
Rooms 1st Floor
Rooms 2nd Floor
Dinette
K.
LR.
DR.
BR.
FIN. B.
ELIZABETH A. NEVILLE, RMC, CMC
TOWN CLERK
REGISTRAR OF VITAL STATISTICS
MARRIAGE OFFICER
RECORDS MANAGEMENT OFFICER
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION OFFICER
Town Hail, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (631) 765-6145
Telephone (631) 765-1800
southoldtown.northfork.net
OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
TO:
FROM:
DATED:
RE:
Southold Town Zoning Board of Appeals
Elizabeth A. Neville
December 3, 2009
Zoning Appeal No. 6357
Transmitted herewith is Zoning Appeals No. 6357 of Mark Schwartz for Claudia & Julien
Ramone- the Application to the Southold Town Zoning Board of Appeals. Also enclosed is the
Applicant's Project Description, Questionnaire, Transactional Disclosure Form, LWRP
Consistency Assessment Form, Copy of Application for Building Permit Dated October 27,
2009, Notice of Disapproval from Building Department Dated November 19, 2009, Letter from
Mark Schwartz Stating that there are no Covenant or Restrictions, Authorization Letter from
Claudia & Julien Ramone to Mark Schwartz to Represent them in this Matter, 2 Pages o Property
Record Card, Drawing of House Showing Additions & Alterations Prepared by Mark Schwartz,
Copy of Survey Showing Property as it Exists Dated December 18, 2007 Prepared by Stanley J
Isaksen, Jr., Map Showing Existing Residences Dated March 24, 2008 Prepared by Stanley J.
Isaksen, Jr., 5 Pages of Plans Showing Site Plans, Elevations & Floor Plans Dated November 24,
2009 Prepared by Mark Schwartz.
Town of Southold
P.O Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
Date: 12/02/09
Transaction{s):
1 1
* * * RECEIPT * * *
Application Fees
Receipt~: 61926
Reference Subtotal
6357 $600.00
Check#: 1822
Total Paid: $600.00
Name:
Ramone, Claudia
110-07 73rd Rd 6h
Forest Hills, NY 11375
Clerk ID: CAROLH Internal ID: 6357
ZBA TO TOWN CLERK TRANSMITTAL SHEET
~ (Filing of Application and Check for Processing)
DATE: 12-01-09
ZBA # NAME OF APPLICANT CHECK # AMOUNT TC DATE STAMP
Ramone, Julien & 1822 $600.00 RECEIVED
# 6357 Claudia
DEC
Southold Town Clerl~
TOTAL ' $600.00
Sent via Inter-Office to Town Clerk by:
Thank you.
ES
Claudia J Ramonc or
xzoo7 ~3rd I~l Apt 6h
P~.to the
1822
FROM
: M~rkS¢6wawtz,AIA-Arc~iteot PHONE NO. : 6317342110
AB,CHITECT
r MARK SCHWARTZ & ASSOCIATES
Jun. 09 2010 06:15AM Pi
June 10, 2010
TRANSMiTrAL
RECEIVED
JUN 9 ~.010
BOARD OF APPEAI-~
To:
Southold Town Zoning Board of Appeals
P. O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Ramone ZBA application:
130 Village Lane
Orient, New York
(SCTM# 1000-i8454~6)
Mark Schwartz, AL&
Remarks¢
Dear Zoning Board members,
Please adjourn the Ramone ZBA hearing until further notice. Our application to the Landmark
Preservation Commission has been denied and we are reviewing our options with the Town Board.
Please call this office if you have questions or require additional iixformation. Thank you.
IKCHITECT
RK.SCi. iWARTZ & ASSOCIATES
March 24, 2010
PHONE NO. : 6317342110
May. 51 2010 04:32AM P1
TRANS~,~
To:
Projec~
5outhold Town Zoning Board of Appeals
P. O. Box 1179
Southold, New york 11971
Ramone ZBA application:
130 Village Lane
Orient, New York
(SCTM# i000-18-05-06)
Mark Schwartz., AIA
Rematkg:
Dear Zoning Board members,
Please adjourn the Ramone ZBA heating until May. We have applied to the Landmark Preservation
Commission and will have that hearing in April. Hopefully, upon approval, we will preset oUr
proposed project to you in May.
x. equire additional information. Thank you.
A1A
OUR VIEW
A tale of two houses
In a community that lays claim to beIng home to the oldest
English-speaking settlement in the state (a claim made also by our
cousins on the south side of the bay), one would expect to find a
significant number of historic buildings of varying ages, pedigree
and states of repair, or, unfortunately, disrepair.
To be sure, Southold's history is well represented in its extant
old homes, cinirches and other buildings. And many buildings
throughout town carry the small markers denoting official "land-
markf' status, and in each case, the owners agreed to that status.
There have been attempts over the years to put more teeth into
Southold's historic preservation ordinance, but at the moment it's
still a voluntary prograrm For the most part
It's certainly nOt VOlun~ for ]ulien and Claudia King Ramone,
who inherited a small 19th-century house onVillage Lane in
Orient and who want to raze it and build a more family-friendly
home. But .t~eir propertylieswithin two separate historic districts
-- town and federal -- and ~that places them under the aegis of the
town's Historic Preservafi°ll Commission.
This is new ground for both the Ramones and the commis-
sion because this is the first time anyone has sought permission
to tear down a building within a historic district. Judging by the
comments offered by commissioners during a recent ptiblic
hearing, the panel doesn't seem happy with the request. See
story on page Z2. Should it deny the application, the Ramones
face three choices. They can leave the house as is, file new plans
to add an extension or appeal to the Town Board to overrule the
commission.
Some might view the process as an assault on property rights,
even institutionalized snobbery. But whatever the outcome, the
applicants still have options. No doubt, owning a historic home,
however modest, can present significant financial and practical
challenges. But it's also an opportunity to be an active participant
in helping maintain the attractive -- and still highly marketable --
charaCter Of the cornmurdty,
There's alsoa downside to the voluntary nature of Southold's
historic preservation program. This week's cover story tells the
sad, yet hopeful, tale of the neglect and deterioration of a house
near Cedar Beach in Southold where Helen Keller, left deaf and
blind by an early childhood illness, vacationed with her teacher,
Anne Sullivan, who succeeded in bringing her out of the dark-
ness. "The Miracle Worker," a play later made into a movie, tells
their story. .
The abandoned house is open to the elements and falling apart.
It's not on the town's landmarks list, but it could be. A house's age
is one criteria, another is who lived there. An unlikely historic
preservation advocate, Southold High School student Ian Toy, is
leading the charge to save the Helen Keller house. It's a daunt-
ing challenge certainly, but our guess is it would be foolish to bet
against him.
The Orient and Southold houses may seem to have little in com-
mon, but they serve to highlight the strengths and weaknesses of
the town's ongoing attempt to retain standing examples of its rich
architectural history. In Orient, the Ramones are part of a detailed
and lengthy review process that they may see as frustrating and
burdensome. But the price of doing nothing is all too evident in
the sorry state of the Helen Keller house.
Historic preservation is much more than simply.affixing a
plaque to an outside wall. As a matter of history, preservation and
community identiW, it would be a shame to see the Ramone house
go. Avoiding its demolition is precisely why the two historic dis-
tricts were created.
Ctaudia Ramone tells the town Historic Preservation Commission on April 20 why she and
her husband want to demolish and rePla~ce their 19th-century house in Orient.
An eyesore or,
historic treasure?.
PreservatiOn panel hears both sides
of bid to replace an old Orient house
BY TIM K'~LY I EDITOR
The Orient couple looking, to demol-
ish an old home and build a new one
have made thek case to the town's His-
toric Preservation Commission, which
has yet to rule. But if comments from
several panel members are any indica-
tion, the couple's dream of a new house
may be heading into a buzz saw.
Claudia and lulien Ramone appeared
before the commission on April 20
seeking permission to raze their small
mid- to late 1800s house at 130 V'fllage
Lane, which lies within separate federal
and town historic districts. They plan
to replace the house with a two-story
strucm~ of similar design.
The commission has never before
considered a request to tear down a
house within a historic disirict.
The application appears toboil down
to one basic question: Would the de-
molition of an old home, one the preS.
ervation group's chairman described as
"lackluster" and "nondescript," amount
to an unacceptable cultural loss for a
community that contains both town
and federal historic districts?
During her presentation, Claudia
King Ramone said~she and her hus-
band want to replace "an eyesore" with
"a suitable and safe home that would
fit in with the character of the village.
We're not out-of-town yahoos trying to
build a McMansion onVillage Lane as a
weekend home."
As to the current buildings historic
significance, she directed the panel to
an oysterponds Historical Society book
that lists the structure but makes no
mention of any significant architectural
detail~. Neither does it speak to anyhis-
toric relevance. It's unlikely the house's
current appearance matches how it
looked when listed on an 1858 map,
Ms. Ramone added. Exteiior additious
since thbn include a front porch and a
bay window and asbestos siding.
She told the commission members
the cost to preserve the structure and
bomplete recommended upgrades and
repairs is prohibitive.
"Without the right to maximize the
livable space in our home, including
a full second story, the investment re-
quired to restore the property will not
be made," she said.
All but one of the other speakers sup-
ported the project, but severalcommis-
sion members seemed to hint that the
Ramones face an uphill fight The
neet hired by the town to examine the
structure declared it "sound and in good
condition," 'a findtng~hat contradicts a
repm-t submitted by ~e!Bgmones.
While change within/t community
is expected, the federal law that estab-
li__.qhed tile~national histolic di~ct says
an original structure must be main-
rained if it is found to be in good con-
dition, said cormm'ssion member Ron
RossL
"It's common in Southold town to re-
hab old buildings,' Mr. Rossi said, add-
ORIEblT HOUSE [ PAGE 37
ORIENT HOUSE...
CONTINUED FROM PaGe 22
lng that he's done it twice~ Each of the
commission's seven members lives in a
historic house.
]amie Gan~tson, an Orient architect
and commission member, said the Ra-
mone home's modest nature"is arepre-
sentalJon of the diversity of the town. It
sits at the northern end of Viliage Lane,
next to what once was "a muddy thor-
oughfare at the edge of town." '
It does hold a place in local history
and so the phrase "complete tear-down
is jarring to me," Mr. Garretson said.
The commission's approval would
set a precedent for other tear-downs,
-said member Barbara Schnitzler, who
asked how many demolitions could
occur within a historic district before
the area loses its historic value. The
commission has reviewed 11 applica-
tions to alter histotichouses, the bulk
of them in Orient, and approved each
one. The Ramones' demolition request
is the commissions's first.
The replacement structure "could be
built anywhere in America," said Ms.
Schnitzler. '~,nd that's the point,"
Freddie Wachsberger, former presi-
dent of the Oysterponds Historical So-
ciety, didn't see it that way.
"I always thought of Vlilage Lane as
an organic, living streetscape," she said
at the meeting. She suggested that the
proposed house is a good fit for the
neighborhood and that the existing
house currently "is not sympathetic to
the needs of a 2 lst-century family."
The Ramones, who both work in
Manhattan, have two small daughters.
"It isn't a museum," Ms. Wachsberger
said, and suggested that the commis~
sion~ approval"seems a no-brainer.'
Village Lane resident Walter Millis
called the house "ugly" and "of no use
to anybody." In a letter to the com-
mission, Burke Liburt said he "can't
imagine a more welcoming gateway to
Orient than the channing home they
propose.'
But another Orient resident, for-
mer Planning Board chairwoman Jeri
Woodhouse, said the request is far from
a no-brainer.
"I wouldn't say this house is ugly.," she
said. "It talks m some of the history of
the town."
Its demolition, Ms. Woodhouse told
the commission, "would be one more
way that we chip away at our history
and our heritage."
The commission will continue to
accept written comments on the Ra-
mones' application through May 4.
Alter the hOuse or tear it down?
Historic review panel seeks help as it considers the future of Village Lane, Orient, structure
BYTIM KELLy I EDITOR '
Tearing down an old house and building a new one
is common in Southold, but an Orient couple's bid to
do just that is something quite rare.
Never before has anyone asked the town's Historic
Preservation Commission to raze a house in a his-
toric district. And for that reason, the town is taking
the unusual step of hiring an engineer to closely ex-
amine the small Cape at 130 Village Lane in Orient
for structural soundness and potential historic sig-
nificance.
Commission chairman Jim Grathwohl described
the house as "very nondescript" and "lackluster,"
but added that his group's charge is to maintain the
area's historic significance. Village Lane lies within
two historic districts, the town's and another at the
federal level.
"This is a tough predicament," Mr. Grathwohl said
unng the Town Board s Tuesday mormng session
You can fix anything, ~t slust a matter of cost. Where
do you draw the line on the cost?"
The owners, lulien and Claudia Ramone, originally
sought the commission's blessing called a"certifi-
cate of appropriateness" for alterations and an ad-
dition. They subsequently said the structure, built in
the mid to late 1800s, is not worth altering, Mr. Grath-
wohl said. The home they hope to build would have
"more space than the lot would provide." he added
"Just because they want it and it's theirs doesn't
mean they can put this McMansion on itfi Mr. Grath-
wohl told the board.
He also said the historic preservation panel is split
on the application.
Should the commission reject the demolit~on~ the
owners can appeal to the Town Board.
The engineering report "makes sure we covered
all the bases if it comes to ~m appeal," the chairman
;r, aid~',~ make~urelhat~ou~ decis'~aison
solid ground."
The town's Historic Review Commission must decide whether this 'nondescript' home on Village Lane in Orient can be
razed to make room for a new structure or must be preserved due to its historic signifu:ance.
"If it comes to us, we're going to make one group
of people very unhappy either way," said Supervisor
Scott Russell.
The owners' architect maintains that the founda-
tion and some of th~ stxuctural beams are beyond
Later on Tuesday, the Town Board agreed to hire
Southold engineer Joseph Fischetti to examine the
house at a cost not to exceed $1,1)00.
The Historic PreservationCommission will hold a
public hearing on the Ramone application at Town
Hall at 4 p.m. on Tuesday, April 20.
tkel II. tim er~eview, com
11
Office Location:
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54375 Main Road (at Youngs Avenue)
Southold, NY 11971
Mailing Address:
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P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971-0959
http://southoldtown.northfork.net
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTItOLD
Tel. (631) 765-1809 Fax (631) 765-9064
LEGAL NOTICE
SOUTHOLD TOWN ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
THURSDAY, MARCH 25, 2010
PUBLIC HEARING
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Section 267 of the Town Law and Town Code Chapter 280
(Zoning), Town of Southold, the following public hearing will be held by the SOUTHOLD TOWN
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS at the Town Hall, 63095 Main Road, P.O. Box 1179, Southold, New
York 11971-0959, on THURSDAY~ MARCH 25~ 2010:
10:50 A.M. JULIEN & CLAUDIA RAMONE #6357. Requests for variances from Code
Sections 280-122A & 280-124, based on an application for building permit and the Building
Inspector's November 12, 2009, Revised Nov. 19, 2009 and Revised February 6, 2010,
Notice of Disapproval concerning demolition and new dwelling: (1) the new construction is
proposed at less than the code-required 10 feet minimum on a single side yard setback, (2)
less than the code-required minimum of 35 ft. front yard, (3) less than the code required 35
ft. rear yard, and (4) exceeds the code limitation of 20% lot coverage, at 130 Village Ln.,
Orient, NY. CTM#: 18-5-6.
The Board of Appeals will hear all persons, or their representatives, desiring to be heard at each
hearing, and/or desiring to submit written statements before the conclusion of each hearing.
Each hearing will not start earlier than designated above. Files are available for review during
regular business hours and prior to the day of the hearing. If you have questions, please do not
hesitate to contact our office at (631) 765-1809, or by email: Vicki.Toth~,,Town.Southold.ny.us.
Dated: February 19, 2010
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
LESLIE KANES WEISMAN, CHAIRPERSON
By Vicki Toth
54375 Main Road (Office Location)
53095 Main Road (MailinglUSPS)
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971-0969
#9674
STATE OF NEVV YORK)
) SS:
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK)
Kamn Kine of Mattituck, in said county, being duly sworn, says that she is
Principal Clerk of THE SUFFOLK TIMES, a weekly newspaper, published at
Mattituck, in the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk and State of New York, and that
the Notice of which the annexed is a printed copy, has been mgulady published in
said Newspaper once each week for ~ week(s), successively, commencing on the
11th dayof March. 2010.
Principal Clerk
· Sworn to before me this
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
MAILING ADDRESS and PLACE OF HEARINGS: 53095 Main Road, Town Hall Building,
P.O. Box 1179 Southold, NY 11971-0959
(631) 765-1809 Fax 765-9064
LOCATION OF ZBA OFFICE: Town Hall Annex at North Fork Bank Building, 1st Floor
54375 Main Road and Youngs Avenue, Southold
website: http://southtown.northfork.net
February 2q, 2010
Re: Town Code Chapter 55 - Public Notices for Thursday, March 25, 20'10 Hearing
Dear Sir or Madam:
Please find enclosed a copy of the Legal Notice describing your recent application. The Notice
will be published in the next issue of the Times Review newspaper.
1) Before March 4th:
Please send the enclosed Legal Notice, with both a Cover Letter including your telephone
number and a copy of your Survey or Site Plan (filed with this application) which shows the
new construction area or other request, by CERTIFIED MAIL, RETURN RECEIPT
REQUESTED, to all owners of property (tax map with property numbers enclosed), vacant or
improved, which abuts and any property which is across from any public or private street.
Use the current owner name and addresses shown on the assessment rolls maintained by the
Town Assessors' Office located at Southold Town Hall, or Real Property Office at the County
Center, Riverhead. If you know of another address for a neighbor, you may want to send the
notice to that address as well. If any letter is returned to you undeliverable, you are requested
to make other attempts to obtain a mailing address or to deliver the letter to the current owner,
to the best of your ability, and to confirm how arrangements were made in either a written
statement, or durin.q the hearin.q, providing the returned letter to us as soon as possible;
AND not later than March 5th: Please either mail or deliver to our office your Affidavit of
Mailin,q (form enclosed) with parcel numbers, names and addresses noted, and furnish to
our office with the green/white receipts postmarked by the Post Office. When the green
signature cards are returned to you later by the Post Office, please mail or deliver them to us
before the scheduled hearing. If any envelope is returned "undeliverable", please advise
this office as soon as possible. If any signature card is not returned, please advise the
Board during the hearing and provide the card (when available). These will be kept in the
permanent record as proof of all Notices.
2) Not Later March '17st: Please make arrangements to place the enclosed Poster on a
signboard such as cardboard, plywood or other material, posting it at your property for seven
(7) days (or more) until the hearing is held. Securely place the sign on your property facing
the street, no more than 10 feet from the front property line bordering the street. If you border
more than one street or roadway, an extra sign is available for the additional front yard. Please
deliver or mail your Affidavit of Posting for receipt by our office before March 23, 2010.
If you are not able to meet the deadlines stated in this letter, please contact us promptly. Thank
you for your cooperation. {PLEASE DISPLAY YOUR HOUSE NUMBER ALWAYS).
Very truly yours,
Zoning Appeals Board and Staff
Encls.
NOTICE OF HEARING
The following application will be heard by the Southold Town
Board of Appeals at Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold:
NAME RAMONE, J. & C.
#6357
MAP #
18-5-6
VARIANCE Setbacks & Lot Coverage
REQUEST Demo/new dwelling
DATE: THURS,March 25, 2010 10:50 AM
If you are interested in this project, you may review the file(s) prior to
the hearing during normal business days between 8 AM and 3 PM.
ZONING BOARD-TOWN OF SOUTHOLD 765-1809
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD: NEW YORK
In the Matter of the Application of
(Name of Applicants)
CTMParcel #1000- / ~
AFFIDAVIT
OF
MAILINGS
COLINTY OF SUFFOLK)
STATE OF NEW YORK)
. New York, being duly sworn, depose and say t~t:
Onthe ~ dayoL~eR .~to , I persoually mailed at the United S~es
Post Office in ~ ~ ~ &~ , New Yor~ by CERT~D ~L, ~ ~CE~T
~Q~S~D, a ~e copy of the a~ched ~gal Notice in prepaid envelops address~ to
c~ent o~ers sho~ on the cu~ent ~sessment roll verified from the official r~r& ou file
x~ ~e ~) Assessors, or ( ) Co~ Real Properly Office , for evew
prope~ ~fich abuts and is across a public or pdv~e s~eet, or vehicular right-of-way of recor~
s~o~ding the appliCant's pro.ny. '
Sworn to before me t~s
~ICIA WAL~R
xX day of ~x~ ,20~ ~ic, Sate0fNew~A
No, 01WA6153064
~mi~ ~ires ~pt, 25, ~
(Notary pUblic)
PLEASE list, on the back of this Affidavit or on a sheet of paper the lot nmnbers next to the
owner names and addresses for which notices were mailed, Thank you.
RAMONE 18.-05-06
Village Lane Orient
18.-5-7
Douglas E. Constant
200 Village Lane
Orient, New York 11957
18.-05-5
Robert Ehrlich
100 Roslyn Avenue
Sea Cliff, New York 11579
18.-5-9.1
Edmond T. Papantonio
1615 Spring Valley Road
Ossining, New York 10562
18.-5-8
Leann M. Nealz
39 East 75th Street Apt. 4E
New York, New York 10021
Postage
Ce~Efied Fee
Return Receipt Fee
(Endorsement Required)
Restricted Delivery Fee
(Endorsement Required)
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Certified Fee
Return Receipt Fee
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Restricted Delivery Fee
(Endorsement Required)
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Return Receipt Fee
(Endorsement Required)
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· Complete items 1, J 3. Also complete
item 4 if Restricted Delivery Is desired.
· Print your name and address on the reverse
so that we can retum the card to you.
· Attach this card to the back of the mai~pieca,
or on the front if space permits.
1. A~ticle Addressed to:
Edmond T. Papanto~o
1615 Spring Vflley Road
Oss~ng, New York 10562
D. Is dern~efy address ¢ ~h~ 17
[3 Reglst~ed
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[] Express Mail
[] Retum Receipt fo~ Memhandlse
[] C.O.D.
4. Restricted Daiivery? (Extra Fee) [] Yes
2. A~ticle Number'
(T?~.~,~,~,~) 7006 2150 0004 2218 0626
PS Form 3811, February 2004 Domestic Return Receipt 102595-02-M-lS40
· Complete items 1, 2, and 3. Also complete
item 4 if Restricted Delivery Is desired.
· Pdnt your name and address on the reverse
so that we can return the card to you.
· Attach this card to the back of the mailplece,
or on the front if space permits.
1. Article ,~dressed to:
If YES, enter delivery addmes below:
[] Agent
Addressee
Robert Ehrlich
100 Roslyn Avenue
Sea Cliff, New York 11579
Restricted Deliv~y? (Extra Fee) [] Yes
2. Article Number
(Transfer from service lab~
7006 2150 0004 2218 0640
PS Form 3811, February 2004 Domestic Return Receipt 102595-02-M-1540
· Complete items 1,2, and 3. Also complete
item 4 if Restricted Delivery is desired.
· Print your name and address on the reveme
so that we can retum the card to you.
· Attach this card to the back of the mailplece,
or on the front if space permits.
1. Article Addressed to:
Douglas E. Constant
200 Village Lane
Orient, New York 11957
3.
~]~,~t~ Mail [] Express Mail
[] Registered [] Return Re(~pt for Merchandise
[] Insured Mail [] C.O.D.
4. Restricted Delivery? (Extza F~e) [] Yes
7006 2150 0004 2218 0619
PS Form 3811, February 2004 Domestic Return Receipt 102595-02-1v1-154~
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD: NEW YORK
In the Matter of the Application of
(Name of Applicants) -
AFFIDAVIT
OF SION
POSTING
Regarding Posting of Sign upon
Applicant's Land Identified as
ooo- /F -a.F-
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK)
STATE OF NEW YORK)
~, New York, being duly sworn, de.se ~d say that:
Poster, ~th ae ~te of h~fing and nature of my appliea~on noted ~er~n, s~ly upon my
pro~, located ten (10) f~t or closer from ~e s~t or fi~t~f-Way (~veway entr~) -
facing the s~t or facing each s~t or fight~f-~y en~ce;* and ~t
I hereby ~ ~t the Poster has re~ed in pla~ for sev~n days prior
the subject he~ng date, wlfich hearing date w~ shorn to be ~)/~ ~/~ O to t~fit ~te of
Sworn to before me this
~-~ day of ~
(Notary Public)
,20~ x~
ALICIA WALKER
Notary PubJic, State of New York
No. 01WA6153064
Qualified in Suffolk County
Commi~o~ Expires SepL 25, .~..X_~
*near the entrance or driveway entrance of my property, as the area most v/sible to passersby.
Office Location:
Town Annex/First Floor, Capital One Bank
54375 Main Road (at Yo~gs Avenue)
Southold, NY 11971
http://southoldtown.northfork.net
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Tel. (631) 765.1809 Fax (631) 765-9064
December 1,2009
Mailine Address:
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971-0959
Mr. Thomas Isles,~ Director
Suffolk County Department of Planning
P.O. Box 6100 :
Hauppauge, NY 1~1788-0099
Dear Mr. Isles:
Please find; enclosed the following application with related documents for review
pursuant to Article:XIV of the Suffolk County Administrative Code:
ZBA File # 6357 Owner/Applicant: Ramone, Julien & Claudia
Action Requested~ Proposed additions & alterations, front yard setback, rear yard setback,
side yard set back and lot coverage.
Within 500 feet of: (X) State or County Road
( ) Waterway (Bay, Sound, or Estuary)
( ) Boundary of Existing or Proposed County, State, Federal land.
~; ( ) Boundary of Agricultural District
~ (X) Boundary of any Village or Town
If any other information is needed, please do not hesitate to call us. Thank you.
Encls.
Very truly yours,
Gera~'P~oehrinc~e~