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HomeMy WebLinkAboutRamone - Appeal - 130 Village Ln · MARTIN D. FINNEGAN TOWN ATTORNEY martin.finnegan(~Wtown.sout hold.ny.us JENNIFER ANDALORO ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY jennifer.andaloro~town.southold.ny.us LOR! M. HU-LSE ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY lorLhulse(a/town.southold.ny.us SCOTT A. RUSSELL Supervisor Town H~lAnnex, 54375 Route 25 P.O. Box 1179 Southold, NewYork 11971-0959 Telephone (631) 765-1939 Facsimile (631) 765-6639 OFFICE OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY TOWN OF SOUTHOLD £2C~!V:SD MEMORANDUM To: From: Date: Subject: Ms. Elizabeth A. Neville, Town Clerk Jennifer Andalom, Assistant Town Attorney June 14, 2010 Ramone Application for Certificate of Appropriateness Demolition of 130 Village Lane Attached hereto please find a copy of the record in connection with the Ramone Application before the Historic Preservation Commission for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the Demolition of 130 Village Lane. The package includes the following documents: 1. June 7, 2010 Denial of Certificate of Appropriateness. 2. Various letters received in support of the application. 3. Transcript of the April 20, 2010 Public Hearing on the Application for Certificate of Appropriateness for the demolition of 130 Village Lane. Materials submitted by the Applicant in support of the Application at the April 20, 2010 Public Hearing including a Petition in support of the Application; an outline of the presentation given by Claudia Ramone; various photographs of the property foundation; and drawings. 5. Historic Preservation Commission Agenda for the Apdl 20, 2010 meeting. 6. Public Notice and Affidavit of Publishing for the April 20, 2010 Public Hearing. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. Engineering Inspection Report of Joseph Fischetti, Town Consultant, dated April 11, 2010. Application submitted to the Historic Preservation Commission dated March 22, 2010 for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the demolition of 130 Village Lane. Letters from the Applicant to the Historic Preservation Commission dated March 17, 2010 and Mamh 31, 2010. Summary of the Public Headng of the Application for a Certificate of Appropriateness for additions and alterations to 130 Village Lane. (Note: Due to technical difficulties with the recording apparatus, the meeting was not recorded and could not be transcribed.) Various materials submitted by the Applicant in support of the Application for additions and alterations to 130 Village Lane presented at the March 16, 2010 Public Hearing, including First Quality Home Inspection Report dated May 12, 2007; set of plans/drawings by Mark K. Schwartz dated 10/27/2009; various photographs of the structure at issue and structures in the surrounding community; a streetscape rendering; and the Historic Odent Village Pamphlet, published by the Oysterponds Historical Society. Historic Preservation Commission Agenda for the March 16, 2010 meeting. Public Notice and Affidavit of Publishing for the March 16, 2010 Public Hearing. Minutes from the Historic Preservation Commission meeting on February 23, 2010. Minutes from the Historic Preservation Commission meeting on January 26, 2010. Application to the Historic Preservation Commission for additions and alterations to 130 Village Lane, received January 13, 2010. Building Department Notice of Disapproval, revised November 19, 2009 and Application documents. Various Minutes of the Histodc Preservation Commission's meetings from September 16, 2008 through November 17, 2009. JA/Ik Enclosures cc: Members of the Town Board (w/o encls.) Mr. James Grathwohl, Chair, Historic Preservation Commission (w/o encls.) Telephone (631) 765-1800 Fax (631) 765-6145 SOUTHOLD TOWN LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION Town Hall, 53095 Route 25 P.O. Box 1179 Southold, New York 11971-0959 June 7,2010 Mr. andMm. Julien Ramone 130Village Lane Orient, NY 11957 RE: Certificate of Appropriateness Via: Registered Mail Dear Mr. and Mrs. Ramone: At its meeting on May 18, the Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) voted to deny your application to demolish your landmark house at 130 Village Lane in Orient. The Certificate of Appropriateness explaining the Commission's reasons is enclosed. The Commission is charged by Town Code to d° what is necessary to preserve 'the Town's architectural heritage. The official policy of the Landmarks Preservation Commission is to not permit demolition of a landmark structure unless there is no prudent alternative. Is this case, there are alternatives to demolishing 130 Village Lane. The Orient National Historic District is unique. Your proposal would have a substantial adverse effect on the aesthetic, historical and architectural significance of the Historic District. As explained in Chapter170-11, Appeals of the Town Code, you may apply for relief within 30 days of our decision by ~ing a written application with the Town Board for revJew of the decision. Reviews shall be conducted on the same record that was before the Commission and using the criteda set forth in this chapter. If you choose to amend your application to demolish to one to alter your landmark house, the Commission would willingly advocate on your behalf with other Town agencies. We believe you can find a design solution consistent with the guidelines in the Town of Southold's Landmark Preservation Commission Handbook. If the house is demolished, both the LPC and the Zoning Board would consider the replacement structure a new house that would have to be built under current codes and restrictions. If you have questions about the Certificate of Appropriateness, please contact me or the Building Department. CC:Supervisor Russell Members of the Town Board Building Department Cede Enforcement Officer Zoning Board of Appeals Telephone (631) 765-1800 Fax (631) 765-6145 Town Hall, 53095 Route 25 P.O. Box 1179 Southold, New York 11971-0959 SOUTHOLD TOWN LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION Denial of Certificate of Appropriateness Date: RE: Owners: RESOLUTION: WHEREAS, WHEREAS, WHEREAS, WHEREAS, WHEREAS, June 7, 2010 t30 Village Lane, Orient, NY 11957; SCTM #1000-18-5-6 Julien and Claudia Ramone 130 Village Lane, Odent, NY is on the Town of Southold, New York State and National Registers of Historic Places, and as set forth in Section 170 of the Town Law (Landmarks Preservation Code) of the Town of Southold, all proposals for material change/alteration or demolition must be reviewed and granted a Certificate of Appropriateness by the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission pdor to the issuance of a Building Permit, and an application was submitted on January 13, 2010 to alter the historic landmark at 130 Village Lane, and Commissioners made a visit to the site to inspect the proposed project, and later met preliminarily with the owners and their original designer, Gordon Pdce, and later with Mark Schwartz, their architect. On six occasions the Commission reviewed and commented on plans for proposed alterations/additions to the house prior to the applicants filing a formal application on January 13, 2010, and a duly advertised public hearing for the purpose of considering approval of the proposed alterations/additions WHEREAS, WHEREAS, 2 was held on Mamh 16, 2010, within the 60 days specified in Section 170-7b of the Town code, and at that headng, the applicants advised the Commission that they intended to_change the application to one for demolition of the house at 130 Village Lane, necessitating an amendment to their original application for alterations/additions to the home and a further public heating on the proposed demolition of the home that was duly advertised and held on Apdl 20, 2010 within the 60 days specified in Section 170-7c of the Code, and On Apdl 20, 2010, the Commission held a public hearing on the amended application proposing the demolition of the house at which time written and oral evidence were presented, and WHEREAS, VVHEREAS, VVHEREAS, WHEREAS, WHEREAS, on April 20, 2010, the public hearing was held open for 14 days for additional public comment and was closed on May 3, 2010, and the owners their application for the demolition of 130 Village Lane that included a home inspection report by First Quality Home Inspection, dated June 3, 2006, that the Commissioners deem inadequate;_oral testimony about the home; a petition executed by members of the community in support of issuing a Certificate of Appropriateness; and a streetscape rendering of a portion of Village Lane; and. the Town Board, at the request of the Commissioners, ordered an inspection by Joseph Fischetti, PE, submitted on April 11, 2010, that concluded that, in his opinion, the one- story main structure was in sound condition, is not beyond restoration, and could be reasonably repaired to become part of a properly designed addition that would maintain the historical character of the Village Lane neighborhood, and the proposed demolition of the structure requires no further review by this Commission, and based upon the testimony, documentation, and other evidence, the Commission has made the following findings of fact concerning the property and the proposal: 3 130 Village Lane is a registered landmark property and a contributing element of the Orient National Historic District Constructed ca. 1858, the house is a wood frame, one story building known as the Captain Mamus Brown House. A later owner was a fisherman who closed the house in the summer when he fished out of Montauk. The 1974 SPLIA ('Society for the Preservation of L.I. Antiquities). survey indicates a narrow entranceway; wide floor boards upstairs; a non-working fireplace with an arm for pots in the kitchen; and odginal woodwork around the fireplace and door jambs. The property is significant within the context of other properties in the Orient Historic District which together reflect the growth of the early village from a farming and fishing community to a prominent year round and summer residential district. The property, although altered over the years to be relevant for its time, remains a fine example of a simple workman's home. It adds diversity to the Village Lane streetscape. 130 Village Lane anchors the entrance to the Orient National Historic District. Demolition of this landmark would change the streetscape rhythm and decrease the diversity of building styles that characterize Village Lane. In its evaluation, the Commissioners have considered how, and if, the proposal to demolish 130 Village Lane meets the criteria outlined in Section 170-9A of the Southold Town Code, Cdteria for Approval of Demolition or Removal of Historic Landmarks. · As outlined in Section 170-9A, the Commissioners have unanimously decided: Item (1) The landmark is of histo~c value and its demolition would alter the streetscape of Village lane and be to the det~ment of the public interesL · As indicated above, the property, although altered over the years to be relevant for its time, remains a fine example of a simple workman's home. It adds diversity to the Village Lane streetscape. Demolition of this landmark that anchors the northern entrance to the village would change the streetscape rhythm and decrease the diversity of building styles that characterize Village Lane. Item (2) Retention of the landmark in its current or similar form and location is important to the village's history and character. · The property is significant within the context of other properties in the Orient Historic District which together reflect the history and growth of the eady village from a farming and fishing community to a prominent year round and summer residential district. There are few examples of this type and size home left in Odent. Its demolition would significantly change the character of Village Lane. Item (3) The landmark is of such old and unusual or uncommon design, texture and matedal that it could not be reproduced or be reproduced only with great difficulty. · Although not historically significant because of its design, its typ= = sma#, rather plain and unadorned workman's or fisherman's home of the mid~19t~ century - makes it an important contributor to the overall streetscape and history of Village Lane. Granted, it could be reproduced without great difficulty. It should be noted here that the owners' odginal application was to considerably increase the size of the house, thus significantly altedng the streetscape as the visitor enters the historic district. 5 Item (4)_Retention of the landmark would help preserve and protect an histo#c area in the Town. · 130 Village Lane is a registered landmark property and a contributing element of the Orient National Historic District. As such, it significantly contributes to the general historic ambience and attractiveness of not only Orient village, but also the entire Town, especially as visitors arrive from the East off the ferry. Item (5) Retention of the landmark will help premote the general welfare by maintaining and increasing real estate values and encourage interest in local history and architecture. · Properties in Odent, especially in the histodc district, continue to be sought after as both year round and summer homes. Even in the current depressed real estate market, pdces in Orient have generally not decreased and some have even increased over non-historic properties. Visitors continue to visit the museums of the Oysterponds Historical Society and patronize their programs on Odent history. As a registered landmark, 130 Village Lane contributes to the overall attractiveness of the hamlet that draws new home owners and visitors to the area. · The official policy of the Landmark Preservation Commission is to not permit demolition of a landmark structure unless there is no prudent alternative. The Commission cannot allow a registered landmark to be demolished under circumstances where the structure can be renovated and altered to accommodate the needs of an applicant · The Commission notes that there is a design altemative (See Town of Southold Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) Handbook, Part Ih Design Guidelines for Appropriate Design in the Historic Context) and that the owners can accomplish their goals without demolishing this historic structure. 6 The Southold. Town Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) adheres to the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation (See LPC Handbook, Appendix. II. The Standards are ten basic principles created to help preserve the distinctive character of a histodc building and its site, while allowing for reasonable change to meet new needs. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission determines that the proposal as presented at the public headng on April 20, 2010, Will have a substantial adverse effect on the aesthetic, historical and architectural significance of the Orient National Historic District, and · Does not meet the criteria for approval under Section 170-9 of the Southold Town Code, Criteria for Approval of Demolition or Removal of Historic Landmarks, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Commission denies the request for a Cerdficate of Appropriateness for the demolition of 130 Village Lane, Orient, NY with the following conditions: the applicant may apply for relief on the ground that the determination results in a hardship in accordance with the procedures in Section t70-t0. Record of Vote: 6 - 0 - 1 Yes. James Garretson James Grathwohl Larry Jungblut Mel Phaff Ron Rossi Barbara Scl Signed: / No: Recused: None Douglas Constant 0ames ~. Gr~l~3hl - Chairman, Landmarks Preservation Commission ITEM "2" May 16, 2010 James L. ~hl, (Yaalrmnn and Members of the Historical P~ervation Commission, Southold Delivered bv hand. and sent bv emai! Dear Chairman Grathwohl and other members of the Historic Preservation Commission, I live fuilfime at 640 Village Lane, five honse~ south of the Rnmonos' house, which was the subject of tho public hearing I atten~k~d on April 20th. I am a book publisher (Persea Books, NYC) and member of the Board ofTr~t, ee~__ of the Oysterponds Historical Society. I bought my house in 1995 ~md became a fulltime r~ident in 2000. My younger son want to high school in GreenporC I'm writing to urge you to fred a way to allow the Ramones to stay on Village Lane. Please conalder the following three points. First. I welcome the Ramones on Village Lens-- we NEED them. They will live hero ye~r-roond ami raise their children bore. It~ ns we all agreed at the bering, we don~ want Vilisge Lane to become a museum, then they are an imperator nspoot of roachiog that goal. If, es we agreed at the haering, the house is histori~ he, mae it repr~nt~ diversity, thru we NEED them. Divers~y is people, not haiid~gs. When I first moved to Orient, mo~t hons~ were inhabited and most wore owned by families who could troco their connection to Orient to the lSth or 19th century. They were carpenters and painters, rich summer people who had bean in Orient for many generations, mt/rod oonpl~s and y~ng fnmilies. Today, at n~ht, Vilisso Lane is mcotly dark. All w~t ~ Village Lane f~ls like a nms~m, a colle~ion ofhonsos, malota~ed to ~. On the wookand, my many doer now friends arrlvo~woalthy Now ¥ork~s, well-educated ~md presorvutinn-minded. Fm glad theyYo here, but I don~ want to iose the Ramona. Claudia King's roots in Orimt a~ deep. She beiongs in O~mt md on Village ~ Ifs the panpio who make Or~t what it who malco the div~ralty we're t~y/ng to p~sorvo-not tho hon~s alon~. I urge you to make su~ sho can stay in the hons~ she inherited and raise I~T children h~ro. Second. the design of the reconstruction is consistent and harmonious with Village Lane. The draw~ presented is stink at first sight. But in fast the Rnmones' vialon for tho honse is tmtoful (not a dreaded McaMansion) and e~ho~ the house diagonally a~rnss the strook belonging to Skip Wnch~er, a two-~oroy house with ~naller windows on the second floor. A new well-chnsan te~ kettle on the stove shocks me--and a new house will. too, but this design, like the wall-chosen kettle, will fit right in, in a short time. Third. the Ramoues have made the strongest case for themselves. The house would have looked charmh~ md hannoniona with its sunoundings, if the drnwing had included isnd~aping--one rose of sharon would have mede all the difference. And most iml~fly, avoMing the words "teer=down" md "demolition" wouM have allowed you to accept their plans, wi~ont worrying about s~tth~g a dangerous prooedant. This could ~ily have been done-and wouM have bean done by a moro experienced archit~t and owner. No one expects the Ramones to build a honsu on · shaliow, eracked foundation, I have seen many restorations done in O~isnt by a trusted, beioved nspert (who yon all know), in which only3 phnksand 1 stone mrvive, by noo~sity. I believe thut what the Rmnones want to do hnot out of line with historic presereadon. They just didn~ do tho best job of showin3 this to you. But the art of presenting before an historic preservation oomm~ion should not be the dooming factor. We are trusting you to use yonF wisdom to como to u just con¢lnsion. I urge you to consider the.~e factors and to soo beyond the e~sy decision to reject the Rnmones besed on their lack of experis~e in n~kin~ their case. Plesse rezch a compromise-let them have a good solid house of the design they have chosen. ~ over backwards to keep ~ho original f~n~lies here and welcome in their home community. Help kee~ the hon~e~ lit at night, children in our school, and working people living on Village Lane. 640 Village lame, Orient Tel. 631 323 1362 May 3, 2010 To: The Southold Town Historic Preservation Commission Members of the Commission: I am an Orienter, a Village Lane Orienter, born and raised. Although I did take a 12- year break from small town life after graduating from high school, I happily returned with my husband after the birth of our first child. Like Claudia King Ramone, I was drawn back to the community where I had grown up, where my parents had lived and worked, where generations of my ancestors had raised their families. At seventeen, I couldn't get away from Orient fast enough, and at twenty- nine I couldn't wait to come back. Many things attracted us - family, of course, and the very personal historical significance of the old homes on Village Lane, but the people who lived here were the main attraction. Orient's crown jewels were its senior citizens, walking history books with amazing recall and heartwarming stories of years gone by. We made the right choice. We raised our five children in a nurturing environment where we knew our neighbors watched over them as if they were their own. As the years pass we have seen the children of Orient, including our own, grow up and move away. Some of them, like me, will one day have the desire to return to raise their families. Few will have that option, for the young are too often priced out of that opportunity. One by one, most homes in this village have become seasonal or weekend residences, purchased as second and/or retirement homes. Not that that is entirely a bad thing - we have formed life-long friendships as a result of this transition - but it indicates a trend that has affected the make-up and vitality of the villager Young families who reside here year-round have become a rarity. To hear that a young family, one with ancestral roots and a born-and-bred love for Orient, was making plans to return, was welcome news. And now, to witness the frustration and financial strain that Claudia and ]ulien Ramone have been subjected to at the mercy of the Historic Preservation Commission is both upsetting and offensive. For the past two years, the Ramones have been sent through a financially draining obstacle course in order to provide the commission with the documentation they require. The Ramones wanted to do everything right. And now, their dreams are in jeopardy over what constitutes historic preservation. The building plans for their home and its resulting outward appearance will not change whether the original home is torn down or not. We are talking about structural safety and longevity, as well as cost. I would assume that Southold Town, as your governing body, is ultimately responsible with regard to any decisions enforced by the Commission. If that is true, then I must offer one word for contemplation - liability. What if the more detailed report submitted by the Ramone's engineer is the more accurate one? What if they are forced to renovate, and then there are structural issues years from now requiring major repairs? Would the town not be financially responsible? Not the most important consideration, in my opinion, but certainly worth contemplating. My more thoughtful question to you is, can historic preservation exist without community? We have an extremely active Historical Society, but there are not enough members to maintain a Village Lane of museums. And if the Commission is not more realistic about its goals, that is what it will become. There will be no more young families to preserve the "living streetscape" Ms. Wachsberger refers to, just empty, albeit "historic", houses. What keeps Orient alive is its sense of community, the people who live here, volunteer here, and care about and help each other. What keeps Orient's history alive is the telling of stories from one generation to the next, the memories and pictures passed along, and the journals written and saved, not the preservation of an original foundation or beam in a historically insignificant house. You are supposed to entertain each application on an individual basis, although I believe your objectivity and opinions have been tainted by a pre-commission tear- down in the village, Hot fair! The circumstances, blueprints and players are all different. I am not disagreeing with what I see as the pure original intent of historic preservation. I love my old house - it has been a home to generations of my family since it was built. However, if there comes a time when I can't afford to renovate rather than replace a part of it, what will you tell me? Should our rights become limited by our bank accounts? Those Commission members who live in the district should try to remember what prompted them to move here in the first place. If it was, indeed, just because of the "houses", how sad for you. If it was, rather, for the "homes" and sense of community, then do try and revisit those memories. Fifty years from now when someone opens a book with a picture of what will, hopefully, still be the Ramone's home, and the caption reads "rebuilt" rather than "renovated" in 2010, will anyone really think any less of you or the house?? I leave you with a quote by Theodore Bikel, "All to often arrogance accompanies strength, and we must never assume that justice is on the side of the strong. The use of power must always be accompanied by moral choice". Please make the right choice. Kathy McNeill Caffery, Orient cc: T. Kelly, Times/Review CROSSROADS address 1593 Locust Avenue Bohemia, NY 11716 phone 1-877-502-7677 fax (631) 589-6609 March 29th, 2010 To: The Landmark Preservation Committee Re: Proposed Construction and Enhancement of 130 Village Lane: Julien Ramone and Claudia (King) Ramone The renderings of the construction and enhancement to 130 Village Lane by Julien and Claudia Ramone are certainly evocative of late Eighteenth and Nineteenth Century architecture. I cannot imagine a more welcoming gateway to Orient than the channing home proposed by the Ramones. Julien and Claudia will be living in Orient year round which speaks to an investment of not only financial but cultural and civic resources as well. The dedication and thought that has gone into the enhancement of 130 Village Lane over the last two years is a barometer of their commitment. I urge you to expedite approval of this compelling project, which by any reasonable standard, would appear to be long overdue. B~e E. Liburt 1420 King Street Orient, New York 11957 www. crossroadsbillboards.com ITEM "3" TOWN OF SOUTHOLD HISTORIC LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION APRIL 20, 2010 ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TASCA: This is tape number one of the April 20, 2010, public hearing of the historic Landmark Preservation Committee on the Ramone application. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the hearing on the application for a certificate of appropriateness for Julien and Claudia Ramone and their house at 130 Village Lane in Orient. First of all, let me introduce the commissioners who are here on the dais with us. We are members of the Southold Town, appointed members of the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission. On my left is Jaime Garretson, Ron Rossi, Mel Phaff. On my right, Larry Jungblut, Barbara Schnitzter, and down at the far end, Doug Constant. And Leslie is our legislative assistant. Let me read the notice of the hearing. Notice is hereby given pursuant to section 170-7 of the town law Landmarks Preservation code of the town of Southold. The following public hearing will be held by the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Con,mission at the town hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, New York, on Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 4:00 PM. Julien and Claudia Ramone request for a certificate of appropriateness under section 170-9 dated November 19, 2009, concerning the proposed 2 demolition to a registered landmark building at 130 Village Lane, Orient; Suffolk County tax map number 1000-18-5-6. The Landmarks Preservation Commission will hear all persons or their representatives desired to be heard at the hearing and/or desiring to submit written statements before the conclusion of the hearing. The hearing will not start earlier than stated above. Files are available for review during regular business hours. If you have questions, please don't hesitate to contact Leslie Tasca in the Assessor's Office, (631)765-1937. And this was dated March 16, 2010. Let me just give you a little background of the Landmarks Preservation Commission and the code under which we operate. The code was granted by the Southold Town Board in 19, actually November 16, 2004. The current Landmark Commission was formed in January, 2005, under the Local Preservation Law. The Landmarks Preservation Commission is responsible for the following issues in reference to a particular landmark when considering an application for a certificate of appropriateness. One, the demolition, move or removal of a landmark; two, the alteration of a landmark facade or new construction in a historic district; three, adaptive reuse. That's permitting the use of the landmark for new uses allowed under Town Code, the building code and the town zoning code. I think you people in Orient are especially aware that within the Town of Southold there exists landmarks of special historic significance which by reason of their history, antiquity, uniqueness, architecture and/or character, contribute to a strong sense of identity within their community, and provide tangible linkages to the town's historic, architectural and historic heritages. The Town of Southold believes it's important to afford proper recognition to these historic landmarks and to protect them from incompatible alteration or demolitions and maintain them for the continuing recognition, use and enjoyment of current and future residents and visitors to the town. By the enactment of this chapter of the Town Code, the landmarks preservation chapter, it's the town's intention to meet these objectives and those set forth by the town in its comprehensive planning documents. Let me just review the hearing procedure. In all cases where a certificate of appropriateness is required by the Historic Preservation Commission, an applicant shall provide the Historic Preservation Commission with the following information on the prescribed form. And I'm not going to go through all the details but it's all the information that we need in order to consider the application. The Historic Preservation Commission shall hold a public hearing within 60 days after receipt of an application completed in accordance with this section. At the hearing all interested persons shall be provided the opportunity to present theiz views. Notice of the public hearing shall be published at least once in a newspaper of general circulation in the town, and so on and so forth. At the hearing the Historic Preservation Commission may take testimony and entertain the submission of written evidence from any person. Let me review in this instance the criteria for approval of demolition which the Ramone's are asking for for their house at 130 Village Lane. In passing upon an application for certificate of appropriateness of demolition, the Historic Preservation Commission decision shall consider whether, one, the landmark is of such architectural or historic interest that its demolition or removal would be to the detriment of the public interest. Two, retention of the landmark in its current form or location is important to the town's history or character. The landmark is of such old and unusual or uncommon design, texture and material that it could not be reproduced, or be reproduced only with great difficulty. Four, retention of the landmark would help preserve and protect an historic district or area of historic interest in the town and; five, retention of the landmark will promote the general welfare by maintaining and increasing real estate values and encourage interest in American and local history and architecture. If the Historic Preservation Commission determines that an application for certificate of appropriateness of demolition shall be denied, the applicant may apply for relief on the grounds that the determination results in a hardship in accordance with the procedures in paragraph 170-10. Let me just review those. And when we are done, I'll ask the commissioners to give us a little more background and detail on these particular criteria. Hardship criteria for approval of demolition, removal or alteration of historic landmarks. If the Historic Preservation Commission denies an application for the demolition, removal or alteration of a landmark designated as historic, the applicant may request approval from the town board on the grounds that the prohibition on such demolition or removal will subject the applicant to undo hardship. In evaluating whether such prohibition will subject the applicant to undo hardship, the town board shall consider the following criteria: Whether the owner is capable of earning a reasonable return on investment~ without demolition; whether the landmark can be altered, restored renovated or adapted for any other use pursuant to certificate of appropriateness under this chapter, either by the owner or a subsequent purchaser, would enable a reasonable return. Three, whether removal or alteration is necessary or appropriate to preserve the landmark. Four, whether the claimed hardship has been self created by waste, neglect or failure to maintain the landmark and~ the public interest in preserving the landmark and its relation to the historic character of the community and town. Nothing herein shall be construed to prevent the demolition, removal or alteration of any structure which has been determined by resolution of the town board of the Town of Southold to be dangerous or unsafe. And appeals: Any person aggrieved by a decision of the Historic Preservation Commission relating to an application under this chapter may, within 30 days of the decision, file a written application with the town board for review of the decision. Reviews shall be conducted based on the same records that were before the commission and using the criteria set forth in this chapter. Let me also just review the time line that is set forth in the Landmarks Preservation Code so people understand the length of time that it will take for a final decision to be made. Within one week of the application, the building inspector sends a notice of disapproval. And this application was received on the town Building Department on January 13, 2010. We hold a public hearing within 60 days, act on the application within 60 days of the close of the hearing, and the applicant is sent a certificate of appropriateness or denial within seven days of that determination. Written appeal of the commission's decision by applicant to the town board within 30 days of the commission's determination. And there is no time limit on the town board's time for deciding on its appeal. Now, before we move ahead with presentations, would any commissioners like to comment, and then we'll move ahead. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: Actually, because there are members of the public here, I would just like to add a little bit of information about our commission that Jim touched on, but. Just for the record, there are seven of us. We are all volunteers and among us we have 39 years of experience sitting on landmarks commissions. Three of the members that you see before you actually helped draft the legislation'that is in the Town Code today. In the last few years we have reviewed 11 C of A applications and we have granted all eleven C of A, applications, the bulk of them in Orient. Our law is not unique. The Town Code in section 170-4-E section nine stipulates that approval or disapproval of applications for C of A for demolition and alteration is within our purview. Our law uses the secretary of interior standards, which are national guidelines that all landmarks commissions use all over the country. So our law is not unique. In fact our law is not as rigorous as many laws that are in force in other parts of the country. And the other thing you all should know is that every commissioner here lives in a landmark house. So we hold 7 ourselves to the same rules that we are going to be reviewing each case that comes before us on. So I just wanted to add those comments. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Thank you, Barbara. Anyone else? (No response}. Now I would like to ask the Ramone's to make their presentation for the demolition of the house at 130 Village Lane. MS. RAMONE: For everyone's interest, I just want to have an understanding on timeframe for the meeting. I didn't have any guidelines of said timing. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: For this meeting? MS. RAMONE:there are members of the public that might want to speak. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: We want -- everybody will have an opportunity to speak. We'll be here as long as we want to be here. MS. RAMONE: I didn't know if you wanted to be here until 4:30 COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: No, no, we are not employees. We are MS. RAMONE: My name is Claudia Ramone and my husband Julien is distributing the presentation that I'll be giving today as copies to the members and a few copies I'll circulate for the public record and the public. So basically, as Mr. Chairman had started, we've been here before, but in the interest of everyone who is joining us today and the commissioners who have been absent in the past, just to kind of recap where we are today and how we got here. Just introducing myself and my husband, the objectives of the project; an overview of the milestones from 2007 to 2010 and where we are today; discussion of the historical context and the structural issues and concerns of the property; an overview of our proposed plans; some information about the community support that we have. So as you mentioned, the objectives for today are to discuss our application for approval of the design plans that we have presented as well as the removal of the existing structure prior to construction. Meet the owners: Julien and Claudia King Ramone. I grew up on King Street, which is actually named for my family. My great-great-grandfather was Calvin King~ He built several properties along King Street, along with their son Orlando Star King. My great-grandfather Henry King was a renowned amateur photographer in the late 1800s. His work is often featured in promotional materials, publications and gallery showings by the Oyster Pond Historical Society. My great grandparents on 'my grandmother' side, the Hummel's, actually owned and ran the Hummel House across from the yacht club from the 1890s to the early 1900s. So like a few of you on the board I also have long standing Eies here on the North Fork. The objects for our project are to relocate to 130 Village Lane as our primary residence. We would like to raise our two small children in the community where I grew up close to our family. We would like to transform 130 Village Lane from an eyesore into a suitable and safe home that would fit in with the character of the village. In sum, I have to say it, we are not out of town yahoos trying to build a McMansion on Village Lane as our weekend home. Some of the milestones from 2007 to 2010, just again a recap of the three-year project we started in engaging landmark throughout the whole process. Back in May, 2007 we notified the commission of our intention to add a second story to the home. We hired Gordon Price, a residential designer, based on feedback from a number of con%missioners that his designs were highly respected and fit well into Orient's character. From November 2007 to January, 2008, we developed working plans with Gordan Price. Mr. Price liaised directly with the commission's secretary on code and other landmark requirements for the design development. In February of 2008 we met with the commission secretary and provided a complete set of working plans for the project. In March we contracted for an updated property survey including the setbacks of neighboring properties at the request of the Building Department. SpriNg of '09 we met with the commission to review the working plans. We were essentially given your verbal approval and your blessing to proceed with design and were given a recommendation for Mark Schwartz, currently our architect. Co~unissioners, you acknowledged that the project would result in significant increases in property values for 130 V~llage Lane and neighboring homes. June, 2009, we met with the commission secretary again and the plans examiner. We submitted additional copies of draft plans along with the property survey and setbacks. July 21, 2009, we met with the commission and introduced Mark Schwartz our architect and reviewed the plans. The minutes from that meeting note Ramone residence, Orient, discuss their plans to increase the size of their present l0 dwelling on Village Lane basically okay but need further information on drawings. To this point we had no feedback from you that it couldn't happen, that a second story would not be possible and that the design didn't fit with the character of the village. From July through September we developed plans to spec and code with Mark Schwartz, a lot of interior design at that point. September, Mark me~ directly with the commission. The meeting minutes state Mark Schwartz showed some changes made to the Ramone residence and noted some comments by landmark. He'll discuss these comments with the owner before proceeding further. Also it was noted ZBA action was required for the project. Comments from landmark and changes implemented were to break up the massing of the south facing rear wall of the house facing the Constant property. We took this into account and added lower level pergola for esthetics even though this portion of the home is not front facing on Village Lane or part of the landmark portion of the home. October through November, Mark continued to liaise with the commission and received ongoing feedback and implemented design changes that included facade detailing, trim size, window placement, size, shingle size and placement. November, landmark was provided with a complete set of revised plans along with the copies of materials that had been sent to the ZBA for variance applications. Hard copies were provided for the record. We also sold our primary residence so we could invest the equity from that home into 130 Village Lane. renting. January 29, we met with landmark. We are now currently We had implemented changes, removed decorative panels from above the front porch. Pretty much esthetic changes at this point. Again, no major design changes. Landmark ~equested a streetscape of Village Lane showing the proposed construction and neighboring properties. On March 16 we had our public hearing. The commission, you would not render a decision on the proposed design based on the proposed removal of the existing structure. We provided you with a copy of the home inspection report that we had from 2007. We also provided a west facing streetscape of Village Lane from 130 Village Lane down to the Orient Country Store. On April, 2006, the commission petitioned town board to fund an inspection and engineers report and here we are today on April 20 for the public hearing on demolition and proposed plans for construction. Now, just to talk about the historical context of the property~ A number of Orientors probably have a copy of Historic Orient Village published by the Oyster Pond Historic Society. It's a walking tour of a number of the landmark buildings in the village. For 130 Village Lane, a structure is noted on the 1858 Chase map at 130 Village Lane, but nothing has come to light as to who built it or when. No historically relevant or significant details of the structure are noted. It is unlikely that the structure we view today is as it was in 1858 due to the extensive exterior changes on the home including the addition of the front porch, the bay window and the fantastic asbestos siding. March 17, per your request we provided written response to 12 179, the criteria for approval of demolition or removal of the historic landmark. Mr. Commissioner, you went further earlier in the presentation, but again, to reiterate, our belief is the landmark is not as such architectural or historical interest that it's demolition or removal would be to the detriment of the public interest. Retention in its current former location is not important to the town's history or character. The landmark is not of such old, and unusual or uncommon design, texture and material that it could not be reproduced or be reproduced only with great difficulty. Retention of the landmark would not help preserve and protect the historic place or area or historic interest in the town. Retention of the landmark will not promote the general welfare by maintaining and increasing real estate values and encourage interest in American and local history and architecture. Moving on to structural issues and other concerns: The property is currently referred to, commissioners and neighbors, as lack luster and non-descript and an eyesore. Structural issues and defects noted in our 2007 homeowners inspection report do cite several major cracks in the foundation as a structural concern and indicate ongoing settlement. I've provided, again, a copy of this report. We did provide it at the last public hearing. Again, phis is noted from the inspection conducted in 2007. This contradicts the findings of the recent engineer's report paid for by Southold Town. The foundation is also bowing, also noted from the inspection conducted in 2007, which also contradicts findings of the recent engineer's report paid for by Southold Town. I also just want to note that no repairs on the foundation have been carried out since 2007, so I'm a little bit confused as to how the engineer has not seen these problems himself. There is also asbestos and lead-based paint throughout the home; the [ront deck support posts are rotten; the exterior finish over the entire structure is failing; siding is damaged and deteriorated; soffit and fascia boards are damaged~ deteriorated and rotting; Yankee gutters are failing; the roof is damaged and leaking; electric service is in need of complete upgrade. There is currently no ground on the system and the wires are frayed and deteriorated. The water supply pipes need upgrading. There is no insulation in the attic or the crawl space. The crawl space ventilation is substandard and there is no vapor barrier. The interior walls are not insulated. There is substandard floor beam support with locust posts. General nuisances that we live when we stay there or have had tenants there include seasonal bug infestation that occurs throughout the year; humidity and odor, traces of mold, subpar electrical system that frequently results in shortages. Ail the windows and doors need to be replaced to eliminate draft and improve energy efficiency. To note issues and defects noted in the April 8 engineer's report prepared by Mr. Fischetti'. Any discussions of renovations to this structure should donsider excavating a basement under the home. The height from the attic floor to the top of the rafters is 6/9", not high enough for habitable space without reframing the roof. If a second floor habitable space is contemplated, the roof structure would have to be removed to provide proper ceiling height. With the additional loading of a second floor, an architect or engineer would need to evaluate the existing foundation and certify its adequacy . I was actually surprised to read that comment because that's why I understand Mr. Fischetti had been contracted. The existing structure is too small to be used, as a homeowner said, the fireplace and chimney are not in working order. As a matter of public record, Mr. Fischetti did never consult or speak with us at any time, though he mentioned in the report that he did. An overview of our proposed plans: The plans were jointly developed with landmark. We engaged landmark throughout the design development stage and we were given verbal encouragement throughout the process. A lot of minor and some significant changes have been implemented based on suggestions and feedback from landmark. We have already exceeded our design development budget in order to acco~mmodate the request of landmark's design changes and requested renderings and streetscapes. In order to preserve the essence of the original structure, the purpose of the plan was to integrate key recognizable features of the existing structure as well as other landmark properties in Orient and Southold Town. The front porch, the bay window, the foreground floor windows on the front facade remain and are present in the design. Minor changes to the existing floor footprint: The footprint for the ground floor is enlarged by a total of 75-square feet, and this is done through an extension of the existing bay window and an extension of the existing back porch that will become living space. The current footprint of the ground floor is one 1,014 square feet. The proposed footprint is 1,083 square feet. We integrated the second floor addition with the use of eyebrow windows, which are common in other homes in the community dating from this period. Support from the community. Proposed plans for the removal and replacement of the existing structure have been disclosed to our neighbors and residents in Orient. We have several pages of signatures, I believe that exceeds 50 to 53 at this point. On a letter of support from the residents, many of them on Village Lane. O~her residence are here in person to speak their own in support of today. Southold Town wants to improve tax revenues and property values of its homes and wants to see its young people return to raise their children here to be part of the community. What town wouldn't. We are requesting the commission to remove and replace the existing structure with the proposed plans on the grounds that the 179 criteria for approval of demolition are on that, and that the proposed construction would represent a significant improvement to the property, neighboring properties and the community. Public interest and support: The commission's own philosophical goals to integrate necessary and desirable changes that are signs of a neighborhood's continuing vitality and the key features of the existing structure as it is today. The cost of preserving the existing structure: In order to make the recommended upgrades and repairs to the foundation are prohibitive for this project. Without the right to maximize the liveable space in our home, including a full basement and full second story, the investment required to restore the property will not be made. We'll be forced to leave the home vacant or leased to an economically suitable tenant. Some of the documents that we have provided, in addition, again, are the homeowner's inspection report. We've got, again, a copy of the letter that dates from the 17th of March in response to the 179, copies of the support letters and signatures, excerpts from the meeting minutes and we have photos of our inspiration homes, which we'll show everybody. Some of them might be yours. Thank you. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: You're welcome. (INAUDIBLE). COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Just for the record, let me read the letter -- I see. This is a letter from one of your supporters. It's not a letter from you; is that right? MS. PJ~MONE: Correct. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: I'll just read it. Petition of support for 130 Village Lane. We the undersigned call on the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission to approve the proposed construction at 130 Village Lane with the understanding that the existing structure will be removed in order to facilitate reconstruction. And there are four pages -- five pages of names. And the letter reads: To the Landmarks Preservation Commission; re, proposed construction and enhancement of 130 Village Lane. Julien Ramone and Claudia King Ramone. The renderings of the construction and enhancement of 130 Village Lane by Julien and Claudia Ramone are certainly evocative of late 18th and 19th century architecture. I can not imagine a more welcoming gateway to Orient than the charming home proposed by the Ramone's. Julien and Claudia will be living in Orient year-round which speaks to an investment of not only financial but cultural and civic resources as well. The l? dedication and thought that has gone into the enhancement of 130 Village Lane over the last two years is a barometer of their commitment. I urge you to expedite approval of this compelling project, which by any reasonable standard would appear to be long overdue. With kindest regards, Burke E. Libert, 1420 King Street, Orient, New York. Are you making additional comments? MS. RAMONE: May I? I just wanted to say what that is. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Pardon me? MS. RAMONE: I just wanted to say what I put up on the tripod. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Okay. MS. RAMONE: We just enlarged the perspective view of the proposed design along with the streetscape so anyone who has not seen it can. And our architect Mark Schwartz will present, again, the designs and some other details. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Go ahead, Mark. Introduce yourself, if you will, for the record. MR. SCHWARTZ: Mark Schwartz, architect. I have several photos and drawings that you have not seen. Some are of the foundation, the condition of the foundation. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: I commend whoever took the picture for the tulips. MR. SCHWARTZ: It was this morning. And the building inspection that describes the two structures side-by-side. This structure you have not seen. The intent was really to, from the exterior, which I believe is a major concern, the stone foundation has been patched with mortar. You can't see the stone foundation at all. I was in the house this morning with my level. The floor is not level. The center where the fireplace is, is the highest point. It slopes out one or two inches just about in all directions. The existing walls are not plumb. That's not to say they are falling down. We are not claiming that the structure is falling down but it needs considerable work. The section that is in front of you shows that we are proposing to go from the 7'2" finished floor heads on the first floor to an eight foot on the first floor. There will be new floor joists and we are adding approximately an additional four feet on the second floor walls with a similar roof pitch design. As Claudia mentioned, the front facades, which we'll be saving as much as possible the windows, the porch, the bay window. So reflective of what is there now. The point of this is that when you have a structure in such a condition and you are trying to renovate it to a certain degree, there comes a point it doesn't make sense to reuse what is there, in my mind, and in the Ramone's mind. And a new structure, saving the old and covering it with new shingles is not really going to look the same as altering -- alternating will not look the same as new, by the time it's completed, if that makes sense. The extent of an alteration, if we are able to add to the firs{ floor, new floor joists, extend the second floor, new roof. If we reuse the existing materials and patch it and then finish the facade it's going to look the same as new except new is proper and plumb and level and up to code. So there is a significant difference there, in my mind. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: We hear you. Okay. MR. SCHWARTZ: That's all I have to say. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Thank you. Now, with those of you who are here, please stand or come to the microphone and make your comments, pro, con or whichever, we are very anxious to hear all sides of the debate. MS. RAMONE: One thing. I'm not sure procedurally. I have some questions to ask about the presentation. Is that later or? COMMISSIONER GRATHWO~L: That's later. MS. WACHSBERGER: Thanks. I'm Freddie Wachsberger, as you know. For many years I was president of the Oyster Pond Historical Society. I'm here to speak in favor of the application of the Ramone's. I have spent a lot of time thinking about historic preservation, back when we were talking about CLG and everything, and I have always thought of Village Lane as an organic and living street. Streetscape. There are houses of the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. And the 20th century houses have been designed in such a way that they integrate very sympathetically with what is there so that one has an experience of a unified streetscape but a living one. It's not a museum. It's a living place. I think this house will fit in very well with the existing houses. But more, I think it presents a specific problem, this house, because as it stands, it is of course interesting, as an example, historically, of the diversity of Village Lane, that has always existed. But by the same token, it becomes a house which is not sympathetic to the needs of a 21st century family. So it seems to me that there is only one logical alternative among the three that I could think of here. And that is to allow the Ramone's to proceed with their re-building, 2O because anybody who would consider buying the house, I think would be very unwilling to buy it knowing there were severe restrictions on what they could do with it. Which suggests to unpleasant alternatives. One is to sell it to somebody, whose name I won't mention, but who is capable, notwithstanding the laws of tearing it down in the middle of the night and then applying for a coffee house now that he has parking space. The other alternative is that it is a house, if it doesn't find a buyer or inhabitant can be abandoned and simply decay. Because it's not a museum. We are not endowed to keep the house in its historic condition as an example of Orient's history. So it seems to be frankly a no brainer that this should simply be granted. Thanks. COMMISSIONER GRATNWOHL: Thank you. Anyone else? Yes. MR. MILLIS: My name is Walter Millis. I live on Village Lane in Orient. I woul~ not normally approve of tearing down landmark structures, but this particular landmark structure is, it's ugly, to be quite honest. I don't know what anyone would ever want with it in the first place. But it's ugly. It's of no use to anybody. And I would say, yes, let's go ahead, rip it down and put up something that is more in keeping with the street. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Anyone else? Jeri? MS. WOODHOUSE: I'm Jeri Woodhouse. I actually disagree it's a no brainer. I think it's a really complex issue and I think there is a lot of other points that need to be considered in making a decision. I myself live in the historic district. I moved to Orient because I wanted to live in an historic district. I've owned three parcels in the district. Prior to that I lived in another community with historic houses. I'm not 21 an architect but I have worked with builders who have helped me to preserve or maintain what I could of the houses in which I lived. The first house I bought in Orient, when we walked into the house, the basement was in a sorry state. You could not really stand up in it. The walls were not in great shape. The beams were all rotten and we had to spend a lot of money to have the house jacked up and put structures to hold it up. We re-did the walls we needed to and we cemented the floor so that we could do renovations ultimately to the house that we felt were very much in keeping with the original style of the house. Yes, we added on to it but we kept as much of the architectural integrity to design the house as we could. The second house that I had, that house, is still, I don't own it any longer but again, in that house, the whole back of the house was rotten, the floor was collapsing and we had to bring in a local builder who looked at it. We considered demolishing it but we really didn't want to do that to the house. And he was able to dig a new foundation underneath the house. In the back part of the house that was rotten he actually built the floor from the bottom up again to repair the floor, and at least make it structurally sound. I don't own that house. It's not been renovated, but I did have an experience that speaks to some of the economics of these houses and that is when I put this house on the market to sell, this unheated, unrenovated house, many people who looked at it were not afraid of it. They came because they thought it did have some historic value. There was a bidding war on the house and it sold within 30 days. So I think there are people who are looking for houses in the historic district and they could do some work on that. I'm not saying this is the house but I'm saying I think there are opportunities for people interested in historic preservation to look at a house like this. But I want to talk about three specific things. I want to talk about the historic district in general, this particular house and then something I call about the rhetoric that has gone a little awry over this particular project that distresses me a little bit. I think it's not, I'm not looking at it so much as an individual house right now but as an historic district that records a cultural and historic heritage and defines our sense of place. So we are not, I'm not looking so much at a particular house but what is this district that we all live in and what does it represent. And in it there are houses that are certainly grand houses that are worthy of preservation and there are also some modest houses. I would not say this house is ugly. I think it's a small, modest house that does have a value in that it talks to some of the history of the town in that it's a very modest cottage, probably owned by working people, and it's not atypical from some of the other cottages that you see up and down the street. There is a lot of similarities between it and some of its neighbors. Some of which have very successfully gone on to keep the front facade of the house and renovate and keep most of the mass of the building to the back, which is something I would always like to.see happen if it's at all possible. Every major planning department -- goal -- in this town, every planning document, speaks to the goal of maximizing 22 23 preservation and the retention of unique and historic resources of the town. And I support those goals. The loss of one house here, another house there, an old barn, a building, a vista, it erodes the historic and cultural qualities that define our town. It's not necessarily the house itself has an intrinsic architectural value or style but it does have something to say about the culture and the history and how that town has developed. I don't think demolition is usually the right answer, the best answer, because once something is gone, it's gone forever, and it's just one more way that we chip away at our history and our heritage. My experience is that we just can't replace one house with another and think that realistically we are keeping our historic integrity. It's just not possible. We are replacing one house with another and we have to evaluate what that actually means. As I mentioned before, I think this house is modest. It's not a ship captain's house. It's similar to other houses. It's not grand, but it is part of the context and the fiber of our main street. It's what we see when we turn into the corner of the village. It's a structure within the context and I think we need to consider does it have a value in terms of the whole, in terms of where we live. The proposed design, it's a nice design. I personally don't understand what the, clearly, what the relationship of it is to what there is right now. It's like some of the other houses that are in the town, in different places. It's very similar to many of the houses we see in Greenport or in some of the other developments on Long Island. 24 I actually have a family member owns a house very much like this in Greenport. There are several houses next to it. They are very close together and all you really see is the front of the house. You don't see the facade. You don't see anything else. It's more like, I would not a row house, but more like a series of homes that have their own cultural identity, which Are very similar, and have always been there also since the 1800s. The fact that this is the entrance to our village, I don't think that's insignificant. Even though it's not on a corner per se, when you turn the corner on the right-hand side, that's what you see. And in many ways you almost have two fronts~ You have the front that faces the main street and you have the front that you see when you turn on Village Lane. And I don't know if you have any other streetscapes that show that but there is nothing there that shows me what it is I would see when I turn around. The only thing I can gain from looking at the drawing is that it's a very large mass on the north side that right now you would not see because of the pine tree there. But if that pine tree left, you would see a very large structure with no break in the roof line and no additions on that side to break that up. And I don't know if that's anything that people have considered or not. There are other houses that have been added on and keep the resemblance to the original front. I think about the Smith house or the Webb house down the block. Even the Militis house. It doesn't mean the houses have not changed and they have not added things to it, but there is something about them that is recognizable to the structures that were there 50 years ago or 25 80 years ago or 90 years ago, from the photographs they have been able to determine. Again, I'm not an architect but I would wonder if there is any way that you all, and the people who are building the house and designing the house and are looking at the house, ever considered if there was some way you could somehow retain the first five feet of the house, that look of the first five feet, and that pitched roof and extend that, and maybe put dormers, but keep something that has the architectural integrity of what is at least recognizable on the main street. And I think the other thing is to look at -- what I look at this perspective, and I'm not really great at translating what is going to be there from the plans, I'm struck by the fact the front of this house is really about three feet off of that main sidewalk that is right there. And I don't know what that is going to look like in terms of the mass or how it's going to line up with the house that is next to and the house next to that. 'So those are just some issues that I think are worth considering. I mean it's not at all for me or I think any of my neighbors about wanting a family to not be able to live in the house or to find a reasonable solution so they can live there with their families. I think we are in a village that welcomes people, welcomes families and wants everybody to live there and value Orient as the historic village it is, whether we've lived there for two years or 20 years or 200 years. And I'm sympathetic to the process and how convoluted it might seem. I myself went to a planning board experience before I ever was on the planning board that took me three years for something I thought was a very simple, straightforward 26 application, but every time I made a little change, I didn't think about the fact the people reviewing it had to go back and review it as if it was a brand new application over and over again. And so while I fretted and fumed for three years, it was only after I was out of the process that I could begin to understand and now probably be grateful for the fact that a lot of people took a lot of time to go over my application very, very carefully and to make it the best application it could possibly be. But I'm a little troubled by what I have seen and heard of the escalating rhetoric in the town and even in the newspaper. I call it rhetoric that has gone awry. I'm dismayed sometimes by the lack of clarity the process has for applicants and I'm a little bit concerned sometimes when applicants feel that the process has not been articulated clearly enough for them or that there is a process by which everybody who needs to be concerned can look at one property together. By that I mean, in this case, it's not a planning board involved, but there is a zoning board involved, there is historic preservation involved. There is an architect involved. And no matter what you do, every change you make involves all those three groups of people. I don't know what happens when you tear down and demolish a house in terms of a house where there are already significant issues with zoning. If you can build exactly on that same spot or what you have to do in terms of setbacks, I don't know if all the applicants know that. But I know that the zoning board knows it, the historic preservation people know it, and yet somehow if people can get together in one spot and look at an application through the same lens and have a civil conversation, it might 27 make people feel a little better about the process and might move it along more smoothly. I mean it takes time and patience and an awful lot of respect not only for the house but for each other in whatever group one is in, when you go through a process like this, where you are looking at a major decision in one of the only two federally recognized historic districts in our town. And this has significance way beyond just our little village of Orient but the whole east end as well. It's like, the way I look at it, I might want to change the front of my house because I see somebody else's house that I like very much and I think it's really pretty. But I can't take, Jamie, I can't take your house and tear my house down and rebuild a replica of your house in my location and expect that that has anything to do with history or historic. It's just a new design in an old place, replacing something that has always been there. And that somewhat troubles me. It's as if we went down to Williamsburg where we have a lot of brick houses and say, you know what, I have an empty lot here, I don't like this brick house and I'm going to bring in my glass house that has solar power and put it in there and expect that the integrity of that whole community is goes going to exist. It might be a beautiful, wonderful house, but it's not going to be in the context in which the co~ununity evolved over time. I know that there are some people, I feel like I'm probably the only person who will be here raising questions and not saying yes I'm 100% in support of it. I think there might be some other people like me who might have some questions and they are not comfortable coming here. Some of them said to me they would not be comfortable coming here. I think the process by which this discussion has led to petitions and phone calls and visits and whatever has made a lot of people uncomfortable. And I think that there has got to be a better way in which we can have a dialogue about these things and still live together and go home and talk to our neighbors in a very respectfully way. I just want to share two things. One of them was a neighbor of mine who has lived in the community for a long time who said to me the other day, you know, I can remember sitting on the bench in front of the historical society and watching the house get torn down diagonally across the street, and I cried. I cried thinking that that house was being destroyed like that. And I can also think of the neighbor who said on to me you can't go there and speak about this house because Ed is our plumber and we all love Ed and we don't want to make Ed unhappy. And I want to say Ed is my plumber also, and I have worked with him on many projects, and I think he is one of the most honorable men that I have met, and I feel very comfortable that I could say to him that I might not agree with you but I have reasons why and I want to be public about them and still know that we can continue to work together and live together in our community. And I think in the end, I might have my only personal opinions, but that's not what this decision rests on. And it's more than just one house, however. I think it's all of our houses and effects all of us, as we go through and listen to you and hear about the various things that need to be part of our conversation about houses in general and preservation on the east end. Thank you. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Thank you, very much, Jeri. Are there any other comments? 29 (FREDDIE WASCHSBERGER): If I can speak. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Please do. Remember, as Jeri just said, we are all interested in the same goal, in preserving the ambiance of Orient in particular and Southold Town in general. And you have been a leader in that area and we respect your views. So carry on. {FREDDIE WASCHSBERGER): I want to compliment Jeri. I think she just raised the rhetoric considerably from where it was, because we are not talking about glass houses. I mean my feeling has always been that these, as you know, I'm in favor of historic preservation, but I have always felt that it has to be addressed in an individual way. This house, as I said, is a very modest house. Historically, it's interesting because it shows that Village Lane was always diverse. But at the same time, Village Lane is an example of things that have changed over time. I think that to remove a totally undistinguished house, which is very hard to adapt to contemporary living, and replace it with a sympathetic house, which is not different from a couple of the other houses that have been built in the last few decades, is actually within the historic character of Village Lane. That's all I want to say. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Thank you. If there are no more comments, we will move on. And now I'm going to ask our fellow commissioners, because we have given this a lot of thought over the last several months. We have our concerns. We are pro, we are con. So I'm going to open it up to my fellow commissioners to ask questions of the Ramone's, make comments of their own. Let me just say, initiating it though, that our general goal is to maintain the historical significance, ambiance, integrity, of the area. And as you know, you are a very important part of the historic fabric of Southold Town. vision, to help you maintain that. have some other comments? And it is our goal, our So Barbara, do you have, you MEMBER SCHNITZLER: Yes, I just wanted to go over some of the project milestones that you cite here. Recap a three-year project. You have the first one being May 16, 2007. I know I did come out to your house and do a site visit. It was either Mother's Day or Father's Day, I remember, coming to your house on a Sunday, in the Spring. And at that time we discussed adding to the back of your house. And you had a lot of other questions about windows that we might require you to buy, things tike that. But the additions we talked about were to the back of the house. I think it was very early, you probably had not gotten very far in your planning at that point. Then we didn't hear from you for a long time. And I think that the next time that we actually got anything before us was a year later. So I think that the first time we reviewed any plans with you was in the Spring -- actually, that was 2007? This is very hard to -- yes, this says 2007. I think in the -- 2008, we didn't do anything. Until, I think the first time we got drawings was 2009. I'm not sure if that's right or not. But according to this, that's the first time you say that you met with the cormmission, and I know we have records, too, but I think there are big gaps when you were not engaged with us at all. So here it appears this has been a three-year process. In fact it was pretty sporadic on both, you know, on your part, I think you had a few little hiatuses here and there, and we actually didn't 30 start considering stuff until considerably later. MS. RAMONE: May I respond before you move on to the next point? MEMBER SCHNITZLER: Okay. MS. RA/~ONE: With all due respect, this did begin in May of 2007, and it's not referring to your site visit. Actually, it's referring to E-mail correspondence with your secretary at the time. So this process did begin in 2007. He did work with Gordon Price extensively. And we have record of that. So I consider that the commission is engaged, if your representative, your secretary is involved in liaising. consider the com~ission to be engaged. Copies of documents were provided on multiple occasions. I don't think that you were present at any of the meetings until probably 2009. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: That's not true. MS. RAMONE: But there were a number of meetings and other correspondence since 2007 when we engaged ~ith Gordon Price. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: Well, any meetings that you had with Damon would have not been substantive in terms of design decisions or anything like that. MS. RA/~ONE: But I would consider it we were engaged with the commission as he was your representative. So we were engaged and documents were provided with him to pass to you for record. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: So you were engaging with the building department but not specifically with us in terms of the design. MS. RAMONE: Damon Rallis was presented to us as the secretary of Landmarks Preservation Commission and not as a representative of the Building Department. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: Okay. In September of 2009, you have here comments from, at the bottom of page eight, comments from LPC and changes implemented were to break up the mass of the south facing rear wall. You were not at this meeting but we did have this discussion with Mark. The other thing we discussed at that point was the scale of the front of the house. And we asked for a streetscape at that time. That is not on here. MS. RAMONE: The streetscape was requested in January. MEMBER SCBNITZLER: Again, it was requested several times. We did ask for streetscape because, in an historic district context it's very important. So we are unable to judge the massing of the house unless we see what is next to it. MS. RAMONE: You have seen a streetscape, I'm assuming, at this point. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: Yes. MS. RAMONE: Okay, the streetscape was requested to us directly in January, and we provided it. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: Okay, but I'm just saying, you have here comments, so I'm just adding what the other comments were at that time. We had concerns is what I'm saying. And then I don't think, I don't see noted here when you changed your application from an application for an alteration to an application for demolition. MS. RAMONE: That would be following the March 16 public hearing when it's noted that you would not vote on the approval of the design based on the request for removal of the existing structure. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: Right. So that's when we knew there would be a new hearing. In January, I think we, again, I'm not sure that I'm reconstructing this properly, so correct me if I'm wrong, but we requested the streetscape were you at that meeting in January? MS. RAMONE: Yes. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: In January, okay. And then I believe we were going to have anothe~ meeting. Then we skipped a month and had a meeting in March. You were away, I guess in February, correct MS. RAMONE: Correct. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: Okay. That's all. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Larry? MEMBER JUNGBLUT: (INAUDIBLE). Several of the items. We did ask for streetscapes earlier. We were presented with individual photos of different houses. And this was prior to January. And you were there in January, is when you heard the words streetscape. I think before we had spoken to Mark about it. And from the beginning, Barbara did go out to your house. She had come back as a buddy just to indicate some of her discussions, and then there was a long period of time where we heard nothing. Gordon did stop by. He showed us some very basic sketches, which we said we would consider and look at. And then when Mark came on board, things were changed considerably from what the original intent was. MS. PJtMONE: May I add a comment? COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Yes. MS. RAMONE: I believe -- is it Ms. Woodhouse? Is that your last name? I would like to commend her for bringing up a wonderful point, and I think is coming out now, is the lack of clarity in communication across all agencies involved in this process. From the very beginning, items have gone missing, things that were supposedly provided to you for file for record are missing, not found. And I think this is an example of that, the comments that are being made right noN. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Let me make one comment, though, Ms. Ramone. We have bent over backwards to expedite, it may not appear so, but, for instance, we could have waited 60 days from the day that we received your application to have this hearing. It's less than two weeks. We have yet, perhaps not moved as fast as some would, or you would particularly would like, or even we would like. But we do have certain milestones that ~e have to meet so that we can move on to the next. And I point out that we, again, all have other jobs, we are not always able to meet, perhaps, as frequently as we would like. But I think all things considered, your situation, your application, has moved through the system more quickly than perhaps many of the others have. So you may think we are an adversary, and we are certainly not. We are very much advocates for what you are doing. However it's a Town Code that we have to follow, and we are doing that. So I hope you will not feel that we are a stumbling block. We certainly are not. I'll move away from that because one of the things I want to clarify, because you made the point again today, that you were concerned that Mr. Fischetti, our engineer, mentioned in his report that he had talked to you. I called him today. He said, weil, he was sorry if that was incorrect. He evidently talked to your father who called you on the cellphone while he was there. And your father asked questions and passed along information to Fischetti about what he was doing. Well, you are shaking your head no. MS. P, AMONE: I'll say no. If it needs to be on the microphone, then I'm saying no. So did he speak directly to me. No. COMMISSIONER GRATHWONL: And he now admits that he has not. MS. P, AMONE: Then as a matter of record, it's corrected. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: But it's noted he was getting direction from you through your father MS. RAMONE: That's incorrect. I also, again, to go back to Ms. Woodhouse's point about co~lmunication. I'm not sure about what point the commission decided that an engineer's report was appropriate but it was nothing you ever asked us for, nothing you asked us to provide. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: We didn't have to. Our code gives us the right to hire consultants. MS. RAMONE: Correct. But I also never received notification that that was your intention, and I actually did get a phone call from my father because the house was wide open and Mr. Fischetti was in the house. And it was -- nothing was provided in writing. I didn't receive just a courtesy phone call, hey, this is going on. He leaves directly with Mark, our architect, who let him know where the key was, but from the standpoint of, again, respect, courtesy, co~ununication -- COMMISSIONER GPJ~THWOHL: I understand. But let me tell you, we look at Mark as your representative. So the fact that Mark told him where the key was, covered, as far as I'm concerned, covered our bases. MS. RAMONE: I understand. But I'm speaking from a personal level. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: I understand. Communications can also be improved. And I agree with you on that. Now, let me point out you added why we got a separate -- MS. RAMONE: Can I ask you please not point at me. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: I'm sorry. MEMBER SCHNITZLER: He does that to all of us. MS. RAMONE: I understand that. It's not comfortable. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOBL: That's too bad. Your professional engineer's report was very inadequate. It was on a computer. There were a number of items, and the things that he mentioned in that report are things that are so common, and I'm assuming you have never lived in a landmark house or old house before. MS. RAMONE: Excuse me, but I grew up on 355 Village Lane and my grandparents, great grandparents built the houses across the street. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: I'm glad that you did. But most of the items that were pointed out in that engineer's report were anything but substantive. You know, there is a rough wire here, the gutter leaks, the floor is uneven. Those of us, and all of us, as I said earlier, have lived in and restored our own landmark houses. Those are the types of things, you go in, you usually put in all new electrical service, all new plumbing, all new heating. Ail those types of things that he covered, were very matter of fact and minor, in our review. So we felt that we wanted an engineer's report that met our requirements. MS. PJ{MONE: I actually read the engineer's report and it consisted of, I think three pages, not counting the cover sheet. I don't know. And it did not go into detail compared to the 27 page inspection that we had done and I'm just going to 37 finish. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: We obviously are disagreeing on that and I'll cut that part of the conversation short. MS. RAMONE: And the goal of the engineer's report that I understood was to actually show about the foundation because the inspection report highlighted bowing and cracks in the foundation, which the engineer report that was done, you know, two weeks ago, says there is nothing wrong with the foundation. So I'm using that as a reference document to say, okay, you have this. But three-pages say the foundation is fine. We had an inspection done three odd years ago and he was there for six hours, spent a day on the house, and these are the things he found. And I'm not understanding why the engineer didn't find them. Then also in the report says if he we consider adding a second story, an engineer should come in and evaluate the foundation. So I didn't really understand why he was there. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: I'm not going no get into debate with you on that. Ron, you had a cor~ment? MEMBER ROSSI: Yes, I do. I would like to bring this discussion around to why we are here. Okay, we talked about everything else except the fact that you are applying for a demolition. This building contributes to the Orient national district. Our policy and procedure manual under design principals, states that our policy will not allow the demolition of a landmark building unless no other alternative exists. The secretary of interior standards advises us to repair when possible. The Town of Southold retained Mr. Fischetti to do an engineer's inspection. His summary report basically says: It's my opinion that the existing main, single story structure is sound and in good condition and can be reasonably repaired to become part of a properly designed addition to keep the character of the Village Lane neighborhood. The existing building code of New York State under section historic building, allows great latitude in preserving historic buildings, especially when there is no change in use, such as in this case. Now, in the event that you are allowed to destroy this building, you are going to build a new building which would need a completely new foundation. You need to put in plumbing, heating air-conditioning. The whole package. It's common in Southold Town to rehabilitate old buildings. Ms. Woodhouse spoke to that. She's had three of them. I have done this twice. Okay, now, you can gut a building, raise it up, put a foundation under it and use that part of the building as the transition to a newer structure. No one says that you can't change a building. We accept the fact you can change it. In fact your neighborhood speaks to that. It's been changed through the years constantly. And change is something that is expected. However, the law that we have requires us, as long as the building is somewhat sound, which it is, to have this building be retained and whenever possible, not knock it down. Okay? So now, that's where this discussion has to go. Ail of what everyone else said an you said is fine. That's for another hearing. That's for when you decide what you want to do. MS. RAMONE: I understood this hearing is for both. MR. ROSSI: No, it's not for both. MS. RAMONE: Then I think, again, we have a communication problem here. MEMBER ROSSI: We do. This hearing is noticed as a demolition hearing. COMMISSIONER G~THWOHL: It has to be -- legal tells us it has to be two issues. And before we decide on a new building, we have to approve or disapprove demolition of the old building. MS. PJNMO~E: May I ask the town lawyer to provide comment as to what was said at the last public hearing with regard to being able to vote on demolition as well as design? Are you willing to comment? ASST. TOWN ATTORNEY ANDALORO: Jennifer Andaloro, Assistant Town Attorney. You are aware that any advice the ZBA receives is privileged. However I did mention at the last hearing that the threshold issue here is whether or not you are going to approve a demolition. If the answer to that question is no, there is no reason to look at the design ~f the building because how can you approve the design if you are not approving the demolition. I mean that's the proposal before you, is for a demolition and a design. If you are not going to approve the demolition, you are not going forward to build the proposed designed building. So that's the advice that I had given you. So yes, I agree, Ghat the threshold issue here, first and foremost, is the demolition. I also told you that you could accept testimony on the design in the event that you determine to permit a demolition. So we can go forward and take testimony on the design aspects of this, if you so choose. But you don't have to. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Thank you. MS. RAMONE: Thank you. MEMBER GARRETSON: I'm Jamie Garretson, I live in Orient. I would just like to make comment of something that threw me off as related to this. I want to compliment, I think the Ramone's and their architect, both the architect and designer, worked very hard to come up with a plan that fit, close to, fit the original footprint. So when it came up in the last meeting that this was going from some retention of the existing foundation, the existing house, some, I know it's maybe only in words, but the least it was something of the original house there, to a complete tear down, really took me a little bit by surprise. I mean, you worked so hard to work within that footprint and then boom, you decided that you, for whatever reason, I don't know where that came from, you decided to go to a complete tear down. I'm an architect so I don't totally agree with all these reports saying the foundation can't be saved or it can't be adjusted, can't be fixed. I have an old house. I fixed the foundation. had the same engineer do the report. It's satisfactory now. So that is really what threw me by surprise. Now, this house, the original house, even if you were to tear it down, does have value, as Freddi pointed out. It's a representation of the diversity of the town. I mean, you had the middle of the town where you have the wealthiest people, you have the commercial part of the town down by the water. But this was right next to a muddy thoroughfare which you could not even get across the causeway. This was sort of the edge of town. So it did represent something. Not to say it shouldn't change, like Freddie said, not to say it shouldn't evolve. But it does have a part of the past. So to the words "complete tear down" is jarring to me. Really jarring. 4O ¸4! MEMBER SCHNITZLER: I would like to also say that if we allow this demolition, we set a precedent. How many demolitions can an historic district sustain before it's not no longer an historic district. I think other homeowners in Orient have a reasonable expectation of continuity and I think that the Landmarks Preservation Commission has a statutory responsibility to be stewards of the district. The proposed house will be brand new. You could build it anywhere in America. And that is just the point. This is not anywhere in America. This is a national historic district in Orient. Add to the house, enlarge it. It can be done. Retain it's character-defining features. That's what our job, we are charged with advocating for that. MEMBER JUNGBLUT: I would like to just read a couple of excerpts from the secretary of the interior standards. The historic character of a property shall be retained and preserved. The removal historic material or alteration of features and spaces that characterizes a property shall be avoided. And secondly, another statement here, each property shall be recognized as a physical record of its time, place and use. Changes that create a false sense of historical development, such as adding conjectural features or architectural elements from other buildings shall not be undertaken. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Are there any other comments by the commissioners? (No response). Anymore from the public or from Ms. Ramone? (No response). 42 Based on that I think we will close the hearing, leave it open for 14 days for additional comments from the public and from you folks, if you have anything more to add. Then we'll vote first on your request to demolish, and depending on that vote, we will either stop the process or, if we agree, then we can move on and discuss in more detail the design. I think you presented all the aspects of the design that we really need to know, because as you I'm sure are aware, we are only concerned with those facades that are visible from a public right-of-way, and we have heard good input from the public, we do obviously have concerns. And Jennifer, let me ask if you have any other comment or suggestions as far as ASST. TOWN ATTORNEY ANDALORO: (Inaudible}. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Thank you. MS. RAMONE: Thank you, for your time. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: You're very welcome. Thank you, again. Is there a motion to close the hearing. MEMBER ROSSI: Motion. MEMBER JUNGBLUT: Second. COMMISSIONER GRATHWOHL: Ail in favor? (ALL AYES}. Thank you, very much. We'll be in touch with the Ramone's in no more than 60 days. In writing. Leslie A. Tasca Administrative Assistant Historic Landmarks Preservation Commission PETITION OF SUPPORT FOR 130 VILLAGE LANE We, the undersigned, call on the Southold Town Landmark Preservation Commission to approve the proposed construction at 130 Village Lane with the understanding that the existing structure will be removed in order to facilitate reconstruction. Print Name Signature Address Date PETITION OF SUPPORT FOR 130 VILLAGE LANE We, the undersigned, call on the $outhold Town Landmark Preservation Commission to approve the proposed construction at 130 Village Lane with the understanding that the existing structure will be removed in order to facilitate reconstruction. Print Name ~Si~grjature~ Address = /~_~ Presentation to Landmark Preservation Commission on 130 Village Lane, Orient Public Hearing, Tuesday, April 20th, 2010 Presented by Julien & Claudia Ramone Overview · Meeting Objectives · Meet the Owners & Project Objectives Project Milestones: 2007-2010 & Current Status Historical Context & Structural Issues and Concerns Overview of Proposed Plans Community Support Summary 2 Meeting Objectives Review application for approval: Proposed design plans for 130 Village Lane Review application for approval: Removal of existing structure prior to construction 3 Meet the Owners Julien & Claudia (King) Ramone - Claudia grew up on King Street, named for her family - G, reat,.~.reat .gran. d d. au.g. hter of Calvin King who built several properties a~ong ttlng Street w~th h~s son Orlando Starr King. .Great grandfather Henry King, was a renowned amateur photographer in the late 1800s; His work is often featured in promotional materials, publications and gallery showings by the Oysterponds Historical Society. - Great grandparents "Hommels", owned and ran the Hommel House across from the Yacht Club from the 1890s to early 1900s. 4 Project Objectives - Relocate to 130 Village Lane as our primary residence. - Raise our two small children in the community Claudia grew up · in, close to our family. - Transform 130 Village Lane from an "eye sore" into a suitable and safe home that would fit in with the character of the village. - In sum, we're not out-of-town yahoos trying to build a McMansion on Village Lane as a weekend home. 5 Project Milestones: 2007-2010 Recap of 3-year project in which the LPC has been fully engaged May 16, 2007 - Notified Commission of intent to add 2nd story to the home November 2007 - Hired Gordon Price, residential designer, based on feedback from Commission that his designs were "highly respected" and fit well into Orient's character November 2007-January 2008 - Developed working plans with G.Price - G.Price liaised directly with Commission Secretary on code and other LPC requirements for design development February 29, 2008 - Met with Commission Secretary and provided a complete set of working plans for project. March 2008 - Contracted for updated property survey and set-backs of neighboring properties at the request of the Buildings Department 6 Project Milestones: 2007-2010 Recap of 3-year project in which the LPC has been fully engaged Spring 2009 Met with Commission to review working plans; Giv,en verb.al approval "you hav..e our blessing" to proceed with. design ano were g~ven a recommendabon for Mark Schwartz, Architect; .Commiss!,o.ners acknowledged the proj..e, ct would result in "significant !ncreases in property values for 130 Village Lane and neighboring nomes · June 29,2009 - Met. with Commission Secret.a. ry and Plans Examiner; submit additional cop~es of draft plans along w~th property survey and set-backs · July 21,2009 Met with Commission and introduced Mark Schwartz; reviewed plans Meeting minutes note: "Ramone Residence (Orient) discussed their ~lan.s to increase the size of their present dwellino on Villaoe Lane. as/cally OK, but need further information and dFawings."" 7 Project Milestones: 2007-2010 Recap of 3-year project in which the LPC has been fully engaged · July- September - Developed plans to spec / Code with Mark Schwartz · September 15th 2009 - Mark Schwartz meet with Commission Meeting minutes: "Mark Schwartz showed some changes made to the Ramone residence and noted some comments by the LPC. He will discuss these comments with the owner before proceeding further. Also it was noted that ZBA action is required for the project." Comments from LPC and changes implemented were to break up "the massing" of the South facing rear wall of the house (facing Constant property); We took this into account and added lower level perg.o, la for aesthetics, even though this portion of the home is not "front facing" on Vdlage Lane or part of the "Landmarked" portion of the home. 8 Project Milestones: 2007-2010 Recap of 3-year project in which the LPC has been fully engaged October 2009 - November 2009 - M.Schwartz liaised w/Commission - On-going feedback from Commission implemented as design changes included fa(;ade detailing (trim size, window placement and size, shingle size and placement) November 2009 - LPC provided with complete sets of revised plans along with copies of materials sent to ZBA for variance applications; Hard copies provided to Commission for record - We sold our primary residence so that we could invest the equity into 130 Village Lane 9 Project Milestones: 2007-2010 January 29, 2010 - Met with LPC - Changes implemented: removed decorative panel above front porch - LPC requested "streetscape" of Village Lane s.h. owing the proposed construction and neighboring properties March 16, 2010 - Public Hearing - Commission would not render decision on proposed design based on proposed removal of existing structure - Complete copy of home inspection report (2007) provided to Commission; - Provided west-facing streetscape of Village Lane from 130 Village Lane to Orient Country Store. 10 Current Status · April 6, 2.01.0 - Com. m~ss~on requested Town Board to fund inspection and engineers report · April 20, 201.0 - Public Heanng on Demolition and proposed plans for reConstruction 11 Historical Context Per Historic Orient Village, published by the Oysterponds Historical Society: - A "structure" is noted on the 1858 Chace Map at 130 Village Lane - Nothing has come to light as to who built it or when No historically relevant or significant details of the "structure" are noted. It is unlikely that the structure we view today is as it was in 1858 due to the extensive exterior changes on the home including front porch, bay window and asbestos siding. 12 Historical Context March 17, 2010: Per Commission's request provided written responses to 170-9 "Criteria for approval of demolition or removal of historic landmarks". (Complete response attached for reference). - The landmark is not of such architectural or historic interest that its demolition or removal would be to the detriment of the public interest. - Retention in its current form or location is not important to the Town's history or character. The landmark is not of such old and unusual or uncommon design, texture and material that it could not be reproduced or be reproduced only with great difficulty - Retention of landmark would not help preserve and protect an historic place or area of historic interest in the Town - Retention of the landmark will not promote the general welfare by ma~n' taining and increasin, g real. estate, values and encourage interest in American and local h~story and architecture. 13 Structural Issues and Other Concerns Referred to by Commissioners and.neighbors as "lack-luster", "non-descript" and an "eye-sore" Structural Issues and Defects noted in 2007 Homeowner's Inspection Report - Several major cracks in the foundation; a "structural concern", indicate ongoing settlement (pgs.5, 9, 10) · Noted from home owner's inspection conducted in 2007; contradicts findings of recent engineer's report (paid for by Southold Town). Foundation is bowing (pgs.5, 9, 10) · Noted from home owner's inspection conducted in 2007; contradicts findings of recent engineer's report (paid for by Southold Town). - Asbestos and lead based paint throughout the home - Front deck support posts are rotten 14 Structural Issues and Other Concerns · Structural Issues and Defects noted in 2007 Homeowner's Inspection Report - Exterior finish over the entire structure is failing; Siding is damaged and deteriorated - Soffit and fascia boards are damaged, deteriorated and rotting - Yankee gutters are failing, - Roof is damaged and leaking - Electric service is in need of complete upgrade; Currently no ground on the system, wires are frayed and deteriorated - Water supply pipes need upgrading (lead-based solder) 15 Structural Issues and Other Concerns Structural Issues and Defects noted in 2007 Homeowner's Inspection Report No insulation in attic or in crawlspace; crawlspace ventilation is substandard and there is no vapor barrier. Interior walls are not insulated. - Substandard floor beam support with locusts posts · Nuisances experienced by owners and tenants - Seasonal bug infestation occurs throughout the year. - Humidity and odors - Traces of mold - Sub-par electrical system frequently results in shortages - All windows and doors need to be replaced to eliminate drafts and improve energy efficiency 16 Structural Issues and Other Concerns Issues and defects noted in the 4/8/10 Engineer's Report (J.Fischetti): - Any discussions of renovations to this structure should consider excavating a basement under the home - The height from the attic floor to the top of the rafters is 6'9"; Not high enough for,habitable space without reframing the roof - If a second floor habitable space is contemplated, the roof structure would need to be removed to provide proper ceiling height. With the additional loading of a 2nd floor, an architect or engineer would need to evaluate existing foundation and certify its adequacy - The existing structure is too small to be used as is - "Homeowners said" Fireplace and chimney are not in working order · As a matter of record - J.Fischetti did not consult or speak with us at any time, though it is mentioned in the report that he did. 17 Overview of Proposed Plans 18 Overview of Proposed Plans Plans were jointly develOped with LPC: We engaged LPC throughout the design deVelopment phase and were given verbal encouragement throughout the process A lot of minor and some significant changes have been implemented based on suggestions and feedback of LPC · We have already exceeded our design development budget in order to accommodate the requests of the LPC (design changes and requested renderings and streetscapes). 19 Overview of Proposed Plans In order to preserve the essence of the original structure propose plans integrate key recognizable features of the existing structure as well as other Landmark properties in Orient and Southold Town. - Front porch - Bay window - 4 ground floor windows on front fagade - Minor changes to existing ground floor footprint: · Enlarged by 70 square feet (an extension to the existing bay window and extension to the existing back porch that will become living space. · Current footprint is 1014 sq ft; Proposed is 1083 sq ft · We integrated the 2nd floor addition with the use of "eyebrow windows" which are common in other homes in the community dating from this period. 20 Support from the Community · Proposed plans for removal and replacement of existing structure has been disclosed to Orient residents · We have several pages of signatures on a letter of support from the residents, many of Village Lane · Other residents are here, in-person, to support us today · Southold Town wants to improve tax revenues and property values of its homes and wants to see its young people return to raise their children here to be part of the community. What Town wouldn't? 21 Summary Request permission to remove and replace the existing structure with the proposed plans on grounds that: - 170-9 Criteria for approval of demolition are all met - Proposed construction would represent: · A significant improvement to the property, neighboring properties and the community · Public interest and support · The Commission's philosophical goal, to "integrate necessary and desirable changes that are signs of our neighborhoods' continuing vitality" · Key features of the existing structure as it is today 22 Summary The cost of preserving the existing structure in order to make the recommended upgrades and repairs to the foundation are prohibitive for this project Without the right to maximize the livable space in our home, including a full basement and full.2.d story, the investment required to restore the property will not be made. - We will be forced to leave the home vacant or leased to economically suitable tenants. 23 Supporting Documents 2007 Homeowner's Inspection Report Response to 170-9 "Criteria for approval of demolition or removal of historic landmarks", letter to Commission dated 3/17/10 Letters of support & signatures Excerpts from meeting minutes Photos of "inspiration" homes and properties on Village Lane Wednesday, March 17, 2010 Attn: James Grathwohl, Chairman c/o: Leslie, Secretary (Hand delivered) Town of Southold Landmarks Preservation Commission Town Hall, Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Dear Mr, Chairman and Members of the Commission: Thank you, again, for your time and consideration of our project at 130 Village Lane. We are writing to respond to some of the questions that were raised during the public hearing with the Commission, held Tuesday, March 16~. More specifically, the following: 1. Design differences between the construction plans provided to the Commission on 3/16 and those provided at the previous meeting held in January. 2. Response to the points outlined in 170-9 "Criteria for approval of demolition or removal of historic landmarks". In reference design differences between prior sets of plans submit, the only changes reflected in the most recent plans submit are: The Site Plan was altered to match the Site Plan we submitted to the Zoning Board (this Site Plan more clearly defined what was existing and what are the additions -the footprint remained the same) Perspective view: we removed the color and took out the diamond shaped pattern over the front porch. The perspective should have the additional window to match the elevation view. The elevation views are now at 1/8" = 1~-0" scale and we aligned the existing elevations beside the proposed elevations to clearly define the difference. We removed the diamond shape pattern and added another awning window. We changed the plan views to 1/8" = 1'-0" scale and aligned the existing beside the proposed to clearly define the difference. Demolition proposed following the site visit by engineer to determine suitability and stability of existing walls and foundation found to be unsuitable for us and structurally unsound. 2. Responses to170-9: 1. The landmark is of such architectural or historic interest that its demolition or removal would be to the detriment of the public interest. Response: 130 Village Lane, while noted on the Chase Map has an unknown history. Per Orient Historical Society's "Historic Orient Village", published in :1976, there is no date noted of its construction or ofthe builder. No historically relevant persons or historically relevant event is recorded as having lived or occurred in the home. On this criteria, we conclude that 130 Village lane does not maintain architectural or historic interest to the extent that its demolition would be to the detriment of public interest. 2. Retention in its current form or location is important to the Town's history or character. Response: The proposed reconstruction includes significant/key recognizable features and form of the current structure, including the overall building footprint, bay window, covered front porch and front door, as well as 4 windows on the ground floor / front facade (the pedestrian "sidewalk rhythm" of the fenestration remains identical). The proposed construction would also allow key features that would have been present (the authentic look, feel and scent of red cedar shingle siding) prior to some very distasteful modifications to the home, including asbestos siding and Iow quality replacement of windows and storm door that would be more representative of a historic structure. Also, the original stone foundation has been bastardized and pargeted with mortar to create a faux concrete block facing. On this criteria, we conclude that demolition of :130 Village Land would not be to the detriment of public interest for either architectural or historical reasons. The landmark is of such old and unusual or uncommon design, texture and material that it could not*be reproduced or be reproduced only with great difficulty Response: 130 Village Lane is a 5 bay cape that can easily be reproduced. Elements of the existing structure including the front facade windows, entry door with side lites, covered front porch and bay window are actually part of the proposed plans that were developed over a series of meetings with the representatives of the Commission over the past two years. Our intent is to create a structure that re-creates the presence of the existing structure while enhancing the visual experience with new traditional style wood windows (with simulated divided lites) and exterior doors, trim details, rake boards, fascia & soffits with crown and heavy corner boards. 4. Retention of landmark would help preserve and protect an historic place or area of historic interest in the Town Response: 130 Village Lane is located in a historic area/district and the proposed plans incorporate elements of the existing structure as well as elements of other buildings in the Town (ref. to photos attached of neighboring properties in Orient). Due to the disintegration of the existing structure's key elements including foundation, bearing walls, main structural support beams, bowed frames of exterior bearing walls, replacement ofthe existing structure would actually better preserve and protect the historic area of Village Lane than the current s(ructure in its current state. The existing structure does not comply with NYS requirements for first floor habitability (height too Iow), second floor habitability (height too Iow), wind storm connections of major structural elements (including first floor frame plate to foundation connection), strapping of vertical walls exterior wall openings and ridge connections. 5. Retention of the landmark will promote the general welfare by maintaining and increasing real estate values and encourage interest in American and local history and architecture. Response: The existing structure at 130 Village Lane is referred by our neighbors in the town as "one of the two eye sores on Village Lane". It is in a desperate state of disrepair that is, unfortunately, beyond a point where repair and restoration would be a viable or economical option for the property. We conclude that demolition and reconstruction with the plans developed with the Commission would significantly increase the property value and tax revenues of the property itself and increase property values of neighboring homes. if there are any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Respectfully, Julien & Claudia (King) Ramone 14 Beechknoll Road Forest Hills, NY 11375 Tel: 347 628 1028 EXISTING PROPOSED EXISTING EAST ELEVATION PROPOSED EAST ELEVATION HOUSE No. 200: EAST ELEVAT]ON w/OWNER'S GAP~'.GS PROPOSED EAST ELEVAT[ON ITEM ~5~ II. III. IV~ VI. VII VIII SOUTHOLD TOWN LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION Hearing on Application for Certificate of Appropriateness April 20, 2010 Southold Town Hall, Southold, NY 4:00 p.m. For Julien and Claudia Ramone (Represented by Mark Schwartz, Architect) I30 Village Lane, Orient, NY 11957 SCTM # 1000-18-5-6 Agenda Welcome/Open Headng A. Introdu~ Commissioners Read Legal Notice of Hearing Give Overview of Chapter 170, Landmarks Preservation, of the Southold Town Code A. Comment on Commission's Purpose/Mission (170-2-B-C (3)) Need for Applying for a Building Permit/Certificate of Appropriateness (170-6-A-B) A. Review the Headng Procedure (170-7-B) B. Review Criteria for approval for demolition of historic landmark (tT0-9-A&B) C. Review Hardship Criteria for approval of demolition (170-10) D. Review Timeline for Application Process; Commission will expedite process as much as possible 1. Building Inspector's Notice of Disapproval - within one week of application 2. Hold public hearing within 60 days 3. Act on application within 60 days of headng 4. Applicant sent C of A or denial within seven days of determination 5. Written appeal of Commission's decision by applicant to Town Board within 30 days of Commission's determination 6. No time limit on Town Board's time for deciding on appeal Request Comments from Applicant Request Comments from Public Commissioners' Comments on Application A. We have given the applicant as much guidance as possible in order for them to have a complete understanding as to what is needed to make the project approvable. Closing Comments A. Thank applicant B. State that Commission will make its decision within the time frame required by the Town Code C. Applicant will be advised in wdting IX. Close Hearing Reconvene Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) Meeting A. Vote on application for Certificate of Appropriateness B. Record vote in minutes of meeting C. Draft C of A including specific concerns/requirements to be approved by Town Attorney pdor to mailing to applicant (Can be done in separate meeting.) IX. Close/Adjourn LPC Meeting A: I_PC Hearing Agenda/Rarnone-4/20/2010 ITEM "6" LEGAL NOTICE SOUTHOLD TOWN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, April 20, 2010 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Section 170-7 (b) of the Town Law (Landmarks Preservation), Code of the Town of Southold, the following public hearing will be held by the SOUTHOLD TOWN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION at the Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, P.O. Box 1179, Southold, NY 11971-0959, on Tuesday, April 20, 2010. 4:00 P.M. JULIEN & CLAUDIA RAMONE. Request for a Certificate of Appropriateness under Section 56-7 (b) of the Landmarks Preservation Code, based on the Building Inspector's Notice of Disapproval, dated November 19, 2009 concerning the proposed demolition and reconstruction of a single family dwelling to a registered landmark building at 130 Village Lane, Orient, SCTM #1000-18.-5-6. The Southold Town Historic Preservation Commission will hear all persons, or their representatives, desiring to be heard at the hearing, and/or desiring to submit written statements before the conclusion of the hearing. The hearing will not start earlier than stated above. Files are available for review during regular business hours. If you have questions, please do not hesitate to contact Leslie Tasca in the Assessors Office (631) 765-1937 or leslie.tasca@town.southold.ny, us. Dated: March 16, 2010 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION JAMES F. 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NY 11971 ATT: Accounts Pay Invoice I Date I Invoice # 4/11/2010 I 2151 Description Hours Rate Amount Engineering servmes- Complebon of engmeenng report for 1.000.00 1,00QO0 130 Village Lane Orient Total $1,000.00 BOARD CERTIFIED STRUCTURAL ENGINEER Phone # Fax ~ E-ma~l 631.765,2954 631614 3516 joseph@fischetti.com ENGINEERING INSPECTION REPORT 130 Village Lane, Orient ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE STRUCTURE AND COMMENT ON ARCHITECTURAL AND STRUCTURAL AREAS OF SIGNIFICANCE PREPARED FOR TOWN OF SOUTOLD Main Road Southold, NY Submitted by Joseph Fischetti, PE 1725 Hobart Road / PO Box 616 Southold, NY 11971 631- 765-2954 Page 1 INTRODUCTION The subject structure is located at 130 Village Lane in the Village of Orient Historic District. The owner had submitted pdor plans to the Town for renovations and additions. At the present time the owner of the property has requested to demolish the structure and rebuild a new residence. The information in this report is to be used by the Town of Southold in its deliberations regarding this request. QUALIFICATIONS Joseph Fischetti, PE is a professional engineer licensed to practice in New York State. Mr. Fischetti has been in pdvate practice since 1976 and has been a commercial and residential builder for 30 years. Mr. Fischetti has a degree of Civil Eegineedng from Villanova University in Pennsylvania He also has a Masters Degree of Business Administration from Adelphi University, SUMMARY The subject property contains a main structure consisting of a ~mod framed one story home that was constructed in the mid to late 19~ century. It has a stacked stone foundation with a crawl space below the first fleer and an attic above. There is a central fireplace and bdck flue. A wod framed addition was constructed to the rear of the main structure. This addition contains a kitchen and toilet areas, Additions such as this are typical dudng the latter part of the 19~h century and the early part of the 20~ century with the advent of electricity from the Greenport Power Plant. Electdc water pumps brought indoor plumbing to homes that had outhouses, cooking sheds and outdoor hand pumps. The odginal main 1 story structure is the only area of discussion for this reood, The rear addition. while probably over 100 years old, is of poor quality and not significant for consideration. Page 2 PERTINENT FACTS EXTERIOR The extedor of main single stoP/structure is in original condition with the exception of the siding and roofing. The original siding which could have been horizontal bevel siding or wood shingles was removed and asbestos shingles ~,~re installed onto the existing sheathing. The odginal roof, which was most likely wood shingles was removed and asphalt shingles were installed. Windows fascia ana exterior trim seem onginal, There are Yankee gutters on the home to handle the roof runoff, which seem to be in use at this time and are typical for this area and time of construction. You tind many homes with this type of gutter system removed and aluminum gutters installed on the fascia. There is no evidence of movement in the exterior walls. The chimney flue joints are in goo~ snaps and the bdck seems sound and free from movement I was told by the owner that the internal flue is damaged and the fireplace is not in use. The structure seems tight and free from leaks which wauld cause intemal rot and damage to'the building. FOUNDATION The stacked stone foundation has the extedor face area covered with mortar. Normally these older stacked stone foundation did not penetrate below the surface more than 12 inches. The soil conditions on the North Fork. in most areas, are sanay which resists frost heave. Soils that contain large amounts of loam will freeze, expand and damage foundations, It has been my experience that old foundations whether concrete or stacked stone placed on sandy soil are just as sound as foundations placed in the required 3 feet below the surface as required by ccoe. The space below the first floor is a craw~ space with a dirt floor. The crawl ama was too Iow [o access. The view was from an opening in the small basement area of the rear kitchen addition. The flcor structure was constructed with 3"x8" w(x;d joist members, noted that some main wood members contained older termite damage that had been repaired. That is not out of the ordinary for a home of this age. The stone foundation was in sound condition, This conclusion is from the lack of movement in the foundation wall the wall. The first wood floor structure may require additional supporting due to rot and insect damage not seen. NOTE: Any discussions of renovations to this structure should consider excavating a basement under the home. This has been done successfully by the Group for the East End in the Village of Southold, The excavation was done with the home in Dlace. This allows easy access to the lower structure for repairs and inclusion utilities, Page 3 The following photo is a 1860's 2 story home in Greenpod where the crawl space was dig out into a full basement. The block wall (dutch wall) supports the existing stone foundation that is 4 feet away and only 12 inches into the soil The new basement allowed carpenters to re-support existing rotted floor joists as shown and the installation of a new warm air heating and cooling system. The girder above the wail adds additional support to the existing foundation. INTERIOR The interior of the odginal main home consists of; living room, small dining area, one bedroom, stairway to attic, and a small storage or food preparation room. The fireplace uniquely faces the rear of the home and not into any room. This was probably a working fireplace to heat food and water. The interior is generally odginal with some minor partition changes. Windows tdm, doors, walls and floors are all in excellent condition, There is no evidence of major movement in the floors or walls, The finished floors are oak installed in a spiral pattem. The first floor ceiling height is 7'-2", typical for the time. NOTE, Current building codes require 7'- 6" as minimum height for habitable areas. Because this is an existing histodc structure, compliance is not required. Page 4 The attic has been padially finished with pressed board and lattice stdps. The unfinished attic reveals roof rafters consisting of 3"x 5" at 42 inches on center. Wide plank rough sawn boards (+12 inches wide} are the roof sheathing. Re-supporting the existing rafters can easily be done without removing the existing structure. The height from the attic floor to the top of the rafters is 6'-9". Not hign enough for habitable space without reframing the roof, It is assumed that extedor walls do not contain insulation. This condition can be repaired easily pdor to installing the new extedor siding by blowing in insulation into the stud spaces from the outside Conclusions The current 1 story main structure is in sound condition. The foundation of stacked stones has supported the structure for over 100 years with no movement. It should be adequate to support the normal loads expected for the structure even though the bottom of the foundation does not go below the frost line of 3 feet below the surface The attic space is too Iow for habitable space, f a 2r~ floor habitable space is contemplated, the roof structure would need to be removed to provide proper ceiling height. With the additional loading of a 2"~ floor an architect or engineer would need to evaluate existing foundation and certify its adequacy. I have designed internal "dutch" walls to take up most of the 2'" floor loading during the excavation of the basement in areas where the existing extedor wall could not suppod the load. (See photo above) This arrangement wnuld preclude foundation removal. The existing structure is too small to be used as is. and would require additional structures to be constructed to the rear for the additional rooms The exterior of the main structure would require minimal repairs. Removal of the asbestos siding and replacing ~evel siding or wood shingles would require no changes to the framing or tdm, Statement It is my opinion that the existing main s~ngle story structure is sound and in good condition and can be reasonably repaired to become part of a propedy designed addition to keep ,the character of the Village Lane neighborhood. The Existing Building. Code of New York State under section "Historic Building" allows great latitude in preserving historic buildings especially when there is no change in use, such as in this case. Page 5 T.l)i~re_port ?f fi?dings_ ~t?~!_t_t_e_~t.t~h_i~ _Ap ri11_1:~2~01~0____ Joseph Fischetti, PE This engineering report is furnished to evaluate existing conditions to 130rVillage Lane, Orient, NY Page 6 APPLICANT/AGENT/REPRESENTATIVE TRANSACTIONAL DISCLOSURE FORM MAR 22 2010 80ARD OF ASSESSORS TOWN Of~ $OUTHOLD The Town of Southeld's Code of F. thi~ nmhiblis conflicts ofln~n-~t on the tort of town tm~t,t.~ an~ enml,~vens. The ~h,--.~ this form is to nmvide i~o~,~;an which can aloft the ~wn of oasalbb ~onfli~ of intnr~_q~ arid allow if [D ~ko ~d~ver aclioz~ is (L name, ustmme, mtddleiniflal, mflassyouamapplyinginthorameof someone else or other entity, such as a company. If so, indicate the other person's or company's hOWe,) NAME OF APPLICATION: (Check all tl~ apply.) Tax g~ievansc Building Vnsiance Chengg of Zone Coastal Erosion Approval of plat Mooting Exemption from plat or official map Other Do you personally (or through your company, spouse, sibling, parent, or child) have a rdatiomh/p with any officer or employee of the Town of Sbuthold? "Relationnhin" inciod~$ by blond manlaoe or business; ..... ~,--~ uumg a paml~rsmp, tn wmcn the town omcer or employee has even a pamal ownership of (or employment by) a coq~oration in which the town officer or employee owns mom than 5% of the she~s. you answered YES , con~plete the balance of this form and date and sngn where indicated. Name of p~rson employed by tho Town of Southold Title or position of that person Describe the relationship between yourself (the applicam/agen~g, prnsentative) and the town officer or employee. Either check the appropriate lice A) through D) end/or dascfihe in the space provided. The town officer or employee or his or her spouse, sibling, patent, or child is (check all that apply): A) the owner of greater than 5% of the slum~ of the cetporat~ stock of the applicant (when the applicant is a corporation); B) the legal or beneficial owner of any interest in a non-corporate entity (when ~he applicant is not a corpomlien); __C) an officer, director, pm-tmr, or employee of the applicant; or D) the actual applicant. DESCPdPTION OF RELATIONSHIP Form TS 1 TOWN OF $OUTHOLD HISTORIC PRESERVATION APPLICATION Meetings are on the third Tuesday of the month at 3:00 pm in Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, NY. All applications must have a representative at the hearing in order to be re- viewed. Questions? Call Historic Preservation Commission (631) 765-1800. Date: Property Address: Owne~ Name: Sections of local laws authorizing review by the Historic Preservation Commis- sion of proposed work on designated town landmark properties are in Chapter 56 of the Southold Town Code. Categories of Proposed Work D Repair D Storm Windows & Doom n Alteration D Additions & other U Painting new construction U Roofing [] Signs ~4~c/~-7~,~J ~/ Please attach a detailed description of the proposed work to the application. At the earliest stage of planning of the proposed work, the applicant Should contact the Chairman or Secretary of the Commission in order to establish a dialogue of the proposed work. I understand and agree that no work on this request shall commence until written approval has been given by the Building Inspector if a Building Permit is required. Owner.~~- Note: Applicants should review Commission Standards before planning work to insure that the application conforms to these requirements. 1. APPLICANT Name: Address: Telephone/email/fax: 2. PROPERTY Owners Na[ne:/. Address: / ~ ~/{/-.- C./°r'~ f~ ~4,/~' Telephone/e-mail/fax: Tax Map Number. l Id - d-- (o Date Acquired by Current Owner. Status: Local Landmark ( ) In Local'Landmark Distdct ( ) On National Historic Register or in NHR Dist. ( ) Use: Current:, ,. , roposed: 4 ~, ~ ~- 3. PROPOSED WORK S~ope of Work: Reason for Work: Architect/Engineer: Construction $chedula: Contractor: FOR LPC USE ONLY I have reviewed the enclosed application and determined the following action to be taken: Exempt __ Administrative Permit Required __ Public Heating Required __ Signed Date LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION TOWN OF SOUTHOLD LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION: TOWN OF SOUTHOLD In the Matter of the Application of COUNTY OF SUFFOLK) STATE OF NEW YORK) AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING being duly sworn, depose and say: That on the day of ,200 , t personally posted the property known as by placing the Landmark Preservation Commission official poster where it can easily be seen, and that I have checked to be sure the poster has remained in place for seven days prior to the date of the public hearing. Date of hearing noted thereon to be held Dated: Sworn to before me this day of 200 (signature) Notary Public NOTICE OF HEARING I II I NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that a!public hearing will be held by the SOUTHOLD LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMIiSSION at the Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, New York, concerning this property. OWNER(S) OF RECORD: SUBJECT OF PUBLIC HEARING: TIME & DATE OF PUBLIC HEARING: you an inter.est t.his pro ect, you are file(s) If have in .j, invited to view the Town which are available for ~nspecbon pn,0r to the day of the hearing durin.q normal business days between the hours of 8 alm. and 4 p.m. LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION * TOWN OF SOUTHOLD* (631) 765-1800 NYS BOARD OF REAL PROPERTY SERVICES Re-444-a (9/00) APPLICATION FOR PARTIAL EXEMPTION FOR ALTERATION OR REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC REAL PROPERTY (General information and instructions for completing this form are on back.) 1. Name and telephone no. of owner(s) 2. Mailing address of owner(s) Evening No. (~) Street address City/Town 3. Location of property (see instructions) Village (if any) School district Proper~y identification (see tax bill or assessment roll) Taxmap number or section/block/lot (~ - t/O~ - O ~ - O6 5. Use(s) ofproperty: ~ ~ ,~'l t>~',.~,J? ~ 6a. Date construction of alteration or rehabilitation was commenced: b. Date completed (attach certificate of occupancy or other documentation of completion): 7. Cost of alteration or rehabilitation: 8. Describe how alteration or rehabilitation made to property accomplishes the purposes of historic preservation: 9. Attach proof of landmark or historic district designation. For property in a historic district, explain how property contributes to the district's historic character: 10. Attach approval of local preservation commission for alteration or rehabilitation. I certify that all statements made above are tree and correct. Signature of Owner Date RP-444-a (9/00) INSTRUCTIONS FOR APPLICATION FOR PARTIAL EXEMlrI?ION FOR ALTERATION OR REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC REAL PROPERTY Authorization for exemption: Section 444 a of the Real Property Tax Law authorizes a partial exemption from real property taxation for the alteration or rehabilitation of historic property. Counties, cities, towns, and villages may enact local laws authorizing the exemption; school districts may do so by resolution. Municipalities authorizing the exemption may limit eligibility to forms of alterafiun or rehabilitation prescribed in the local law or resolution. Criteria for exemption: Assuming local authorization for the exemption, to qualify, (1) the improved property must be designated as a landmark or be property which conh-ibutes to the character of a locally created historic district; (2) the alteration or rehabilitation must be made for purposes of historic preservation; (3) the alteration or rehabilitation must satisfy local guidelines and review standards in the local preservation law; (4) prior to the commencement of the alteratiun or rehabilitation, such change must be approved by the local preservation commission; and (5) the alteration or rehabilitation must be commenced after adoption of the local law resolution authorizing the exemption. Landmark designation, if any, and approval from the local preservation commission must be at~ehed to the application. Duration and computation of exemption: Generally, the amount of the exemption in the fLrst year is 100% of the increase in the value attributable to the alteration or rehabilitation. The amount oftbe exemption remains the same for years two through five; thereafter the exemption is phased out over the next four years (that is, in year six, the exemption is 80 percent of the increase in value; then 60 percent in year seven, and so on). Municipalities authorizing the exemption, however, may reduce the percentages of exemption. Place of filing application: Application for exemption from city, town, or village taxes must be filed with the city, town, or village assessor. Application for exemption from county or school district taxes must be filed with the city or town assessor who prepares the assessment roll used to levy county or school taxes. In Nassau County, applications must be filed with the Nassau County Board of Assessors. In Tompkins County, applications for exemption from county, city, town or school district taxes must be filed with the Tompkins County Division of Assessment. Time of filing application: The application must be filed in the assessor's office on or before the appropriate taxable status date. The taxable status is March 1, except that in towns in the county of Nassau taxable status date is January 2, and in towns in Erie County, the taxable status date is May 1. In towns in Westchester County, the taxable status date is June 1. In cities, the taxable status date is determined from charter provisions and the city assessor should be consulted to determine the appropriate date. Taxable status date for most villages which assess is January 1, but the village clerk should be consulted for variations. FOR ASSESSOR'S USE 1. Date application filed: 2. Applicable taxable status date: 3. Action on application: __.Approved __Disapproved 4. Assessed valuation or parcel in first year of exemption: $ 5. Increase in total assessed valuation in first year of exemption: $ 6. Amount of exemption in first year: Percent Amount Date County City/Town Village School District Assessor's signature ITEM "9" Wednesday, March 17, 2010 Attn: James Grathwohl, Chairman c/o: Leslie, Secretary (Hand delivered) Town of Southold Landmarks Preservation Commission Town Hall, Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Dear Mr. Chairman and Members of the Commission: Thank you, again, for your time and consideration of our project at 130 Village Lane. We are writing to respond to some of the questions that were raised during the public hearing with the Commission, held Tuesday, March 16th. More specifically, the following: 1. Design differences between the construction plans provided to the Commission on 3/16 and those provided at the previous meeting held in January. 2. Response to the points outlined in 170-9 "Criteria for approval of demolition or removal of historic landmarks". In reference design differences between prior sets ,of plans submit, the only changes reflected in the most recent plans submit are: o The Site Plan was altered to match the Site Plan we submitted to the Zoning Board (this Site Plan more clearly defined what was existing and what are the additions - the footprint remained the same) o Perspective view: we removed the color and took out the diamond shaped pattern over the front porch. The perspective should have the additional window to match the elevation view. o The elevation views are now at 1/8" = 1'~0" scale and we aligned the existing elevations beside the proposed elevations to clearly define the difference. We removed the diamond shape pattern and added another awning window. o We changed the plan views to 1/8" = 1'-0" scale and aligned the existing beside the proposed to clearly define the difference. o Demolition proposed following the site visit by engineer to determine suitability and stability of existing walls and foundation found to be unsuitable for us and structurally unsound. 2. Responses to 170-9: 1. The landmark is of such architectural or historic interest that its demolition or removal would be to the detriment of the public interest. Response: 130 Village Lane, while noted on the Chase Map has an unknown history. Per Orient Historical Society's "Historic Orient Village", published in 1976, there is no date noted of its construction or of the builder. No historically relevant persons or historically relevant event is recorded as having lived or occurred in the home. On this criteria, we conclude that 130 Village lane does not maintain architectural or historic interest to the extent that its demolition would be to the detriment of public interest. 2. Retention in its current form or location is important to the Town's history or character. Response: The proposed reconstruction includes significant~key recognizable features and form of the current structure, including the overall building footprint, bay window, covered front porch and front door, as well as 4 windows on the ground floor ! front facade (the pedestrian "sidewalk rhythm" of the fenestration remains identical). The proposed construction would also allow key features that would have been present (the authentic look, feel and scent of red cedar shingle siding) prior to some very distasteful modifications to the home, including asbestos siding and Iow quality replacement of windows and storm door that would be more representative of a historic structure. Also, the original stone foundation has been bastardized and pargeted with mortar to create a faux concrete block facing. On this criteria, we conclude that demolition of 130 Village Land would not be to the detriment of public interest for either architectural or historical reasons. 3. The landmark is of such old and unusual or uncommon design, texture and material that it could not be reproduced or be reproduced only with great difficulty Response: 130 Village Lane is a 5 bay cape that can easily be reproduced. Elements of the existing structure including the front facade windows, entry door with side lites, covered front porch and bay window are actually part of the proposed plans that were developed over a series of meetings with the representatives of the Commission over the past two years. Our intent is to create a structure that re-creates the presence of the existing structure while enhancing the visual experience with new traditional style wood windows (with simulated divided lites) and exterior doors, trim details, rake boards, fascia & soffits with crown and heavy corner boards. 4. Retention of landmark would help preserve and protect an historic place or area of historic interest in the Town Response: 130 Village Lane is located in a historic area/district and the proposed plans incorporate elements of the existing structure as well as elements of other buildings in the Town (ref. to photos attached of neighboring properties in Orient). Due to the disintegration of the existing structure's key elements including foundation, bearing walls, main structural support beams, bowed frames of exterior bearing walls, replacement of the existing structure would actually better preserve and protect the historic area of Village Lane than the current structure in its current state. The existing structure does not comply with NYS requirements for first floor habitability (height too Iow), second floor habitability (height too Iow), wind storm connections of major structural elements (including first floor frame plate to foundation connection), strapping of vertical walls exterior wall openings and ridge connections. Retention of the landmark will promote the general welfare by maintaining and increasing real estate values and encourage interest in American and local history and architecture. Response: The existing structure at 130 Village Lane is referred by our neighbors in the town as "one of the two eye sores on Village Lane". It is in a desperate state of disrepair that is, unfortunately, beyond a point where repair and restoration would be a viable or economical option for the property. We conclude that demolition and reconstruction with the plans developed with the Commission would significantly increase the property value and tax revenues of the property itself and increase property values of neighboring homes. If there are any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Julien & C~udia (King) Ramone # 14 Beech~noll Road Forest Hill.s, NY 11375 Tel: 347 628 1028 KING STREET South Side The ~ouse which Calvin Kin~ and his,thre~: sons occupied on this':prOperty in 1860 did not resemble 'what,we see today~The original house was probably mother 0f those typical Orient 3.bay Story-and-a;half farm hous~s,:with the customary )rings. Along in the cou~s'e of providing fo~ the convenience and e0mfort of succeeding generations, it became more arid mom diffi6ltlt t0-discern the old hoUSe. The two.story gabled:extension andan open porch on the northwest corner were added in the early 1900~. The origins of this house are obscure. It doesnot show on the 1858 Chace Map. It presumably is the survivor of two houses which appear on the 1873Bee~s Map, but there is no telling-which one. The original stone 'cellar was small, only 6 by 9 feet= Joist~ visible in the cellar -are 32b not hand.-hewn, yet th~y are joined by~mOrtis~s-and tenons and were pegged, indicating ~ t~an~iti6n period i~ building methods. Doors are beaded board-and-battan With lift catches. Early siding evidently was not entirely weather proof, because {he present asbestos were added "to keep the house w~m". The 1858 Chace Map showed the owner of this house as H. H. Haynes. Grlff~'s j6Urnal mentions Haynes in 1843 as a shoemaker from Comiecticut who married a Iocal girlz-Mehitable Vail-in N6vembe-r ~f that HaY~l_ es built himself "a-n~w'hou~e ~fi the~ sold some of her f started as the7 John D6uglaSs in 1900, and remodelled with the addition of thc dormer and a two-story wing. There was a house hem in 1873, but no_n~e-siaows { Beers Map 32d easy to s t.~ bear a :~ T mediately to the west ~nnected historY, e. Both are the Methodist and a fiat tiri'roOf uf ic story was ~dded~: he typical 3.bay~St0ry-and~haIf i have been mO~ here from .~ane. Structural members ~verend G. Hollis living at this hat the present house is the One idence ~ was drastically altered. say have been added toa't possibly this house had ORe ascribed to the hous~ has b eth shingles. ORCHARD STREET South Side Today as always in Orient, farms come right up to the back- doors of vil198e houses. The root-stock of this house was planted in the 1860S by a farmer-Christopher Brown Young- on a 25 acre farm owned 'by his father. Christopher was born in 1828, brought kis bride to this house, and lived to be ninety.eight. The twenty.five open acres which back up this house are still being farmed, The structure was considerably changed and enI~rged, early in the 20th century, but still retains some of its original elements. In 1850 this was the farm home of James Williams Young, whose descendants occupied it for three genemtious. A hrge area of arable land behind the house was part of the original Young's farm .and is still farmed today. The long east wing of the house was formerly a tavern located on the property of Marvin Holmes on. Village La~e (7c)~ It was moved here 1828-29. The main house' is a~ outstimding example of 3-bay story-ahd-a-half style, but with touches ~ "fanciness" in thc side lights and transom of the front and handsome woodwork in the mantles and stairWay. 2la 2lb ompany period, this house has had no outside R is a alearAlinstration of an.architect's taking · lighter framin~ materials and less cumbersome to indulge a client's whims in the line of t and roof angles, faceted walls to ~ive a ~ momS with high ceilings. Inside l amount of "gingethr~ed", along with room and dining room, but early days, stoves were in fashion for size. Imagine: in 1895 it cost s house! 21c CONTINUING WITH NAME CHANGES .... On some old maps State Street is sllown as tnrning the comer aud continuing down Io Ih~ Street. At one time it was possible to drive arouod, along the waterfront, inld return t,~ V of a breach in the sea wall, tbis is no longer possible, and-more of the name changing pit from Skippers Lane at the western end is now called Harbor River Road. When thc Skil}p made official, it was probably thougl~t that State Street would sound a little highfalu~ m t ending at a bolkhead. Since there is a tidal creek near the foot of the road, "Harbor Rive~ appropriate name. Earlier on it might have been called "Windmill Lane", but the wiadml River Road borders Poquatuck Park, through which a paved walk Dads east to Webh Ihn SKIPPERSLANI! South Side A late 19th century ben] David Edwards, in kcepl~ the neighborhood. Excel 1Sa Final clapboards and oth appears much as it did h One of Orient's most ti is older than the street. HenIT Young and nmw north of the Methodisl 18b classic example of the "eyebrow" windows. T Dormers on the wing v the iron hitching posts in the village. Hitching have disappeared. Wednesday, March 31, 2010 Attn: James Grathwohl, Chairman c/o: Leslie, Secretary Town of Southold Landmarks Preservation Commission Town Hall, Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Dear Mr. Chairman and Members of the Commission: We are writing to re-cap what was discussed during our public hearing on Tuesday, March 16th and what we mutually agreed were the next steps in the process to obtain your final decision on issuing a Certificate of Appropriateness for our project at 130 Village Lane, Orient. During the hearing, we provided the following materials to you, as had been requested at our previous meeting with you on January 29th, 2010: 1. Street elevation plans of all facades of the proposed construction 2. Complete copy of the home inspection which indicates existing safety and structural issues with the home 3. "Streetscape" of Village Lane showing the proposed construction and neighboring homes as far as the Orient Country Store, looking West. 4. Photographs of homes of similar design as the proposed construction in Orient as well as in Southold Town During the hearing the Commission indicated that they would not be able to make a decision on the proposed demolition of the existing structure at 130 Village Lane, but that a follow-up hearing could address the final review of the proposed plans and proposed demolition jointly. The Commission also confirmed that they have the authority to approve the demolition of the structure without engaging Landmark Preservation at a Federal government level. The Commission also confirmed that they will make a decision on both the demolition and the proposed plans jointly at the next and final hearing. At the conclusion of the hearing, we agreed the next steps were: Amend our application for Certificate of Appropriateness to indicate our intent to remove the existing structure at 130 Village Lane and replace with the proposed design/plans we presented to you. a. Note - this was completed by our architect, Mark Schwartz, on Monday, March 22"d, 2010. 2. Schedule a follow-up public hearing for a final decision on the intent to remove and replace the structure at 130 Villa§e Lane, in order to allow the Commission time to advertise the hearin§ in The Suffolk Times, a. Note- The Commission secretary confirmed that the hearing is scheduled at Town Hall at 4pm, Tuesday, April 20th, 2010 In addition to this, following the hearing we were asked to provide a written response to Town Preservation Code 107-9. Note - this document was hand delivered to the Commission Secretary, on Friday, March 19th, 2010. This is in addition to the completed home inspection report that we provided to the Commission on March 16~, which indicates the existing safety hazards and structural issues of the home. At this time we look forward to the final hearing scheduled to review the proposed demolition and proposed construction for Tuesday, April 20th and the Commission to render its final decision on both within the 60 days of the hearing date. Respectfully, Julien & Claudia Ramone Tel: 347 628 1028 ITEM "10" This is a summary of the Ramone Public Hearing held on March :16, 2010. It is not intended to be a word by word transcript but summarizes the major items of discussion. The hearing started at 4 PM at the Southold Town Hall Meeting Room. Attendees: LPC - Commissioners -- Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Ron Rossi and Barbara Schnitzler. LPC - Administrative Assistant - Leslie Tasca Southold Town -- Asst. Attorney - lennifer Andaloro and Code Enforcement Officer - Damon Rallis. ]ulien and Claudia Ramone Mark Schwartz (Architect for Mr. and Mrs. Ramone} Jim opened the hearing with a welcome to all and introduced the LPC Commissioners. He then read the Legal Notice of Hearing as printed in the Suffolk Times, followed by an overview of Chapter 170, Landmarks Preservation, of the Southold Town Code. Jim then went on to describe the need for a Building Permit and Certificate of Appropriateness for Landmarked property, a review of the hearing procedure, a review of criteria for alteration of facades and a review of the process timeline. The Ramone's presented an overview of their process starting with preliminary consultations with an LPC Barbara) member in May 2007. Then they met with the LPC in 2008 with a proposed plan drafted by Gordon Price. They stated that the LPC had favorable comments on Mr. Price's sketch and as such, they proceeded with the design process. Mark Schwartz was brought in as the architect as Mr. Price was no longer available and met with the LPC several times during 2009. The LPC was favorable to the design, however, asked for several changes which Mr. Schwartz made. The Ramone's mentioned that the LPC recently was not in favor of the changes (which they - the Ramone's - thought were previously acceptable.) After the Mrs. Ramone gave her personal history of events, Barbara said she wanted to make a correction for the record. Barbara said she had been out to visit the property as a buddy and we discussed adding to the back. The Ramone's presented a Home Inspection Report conducted by First Quality Home Inspections on June 3, 2006 in which the Ramone's said contained several items which made the building a safety hazard - such as the electrical system, the structural integrity, the plumbing, and other items. Ron asked the architect (Mark Schwartz) if the walls could handle the load of the additional story and then asked him if the foundation was satisfactory and he said no. then Ron asked what they planned to do about that and Mark said they need to demolish the building. At that time Ron said this is a moot hearing as we are dealing with the demolition of a landmark and not an alteration of a landmarlc Several members of the commission didn't agree but the town attorney stated that she believed that we needed a new hearing dealing with the demolition. Jim mentioned that if they are seeking a demolition, they (Ramone's) would need to go to a formal hearing for a demolition permit under the LPC Town Code. The hearing was then closed without any public input (none present.) ~'IFS[ I,~ua]lIy Home Inspections Keport ~'agc I o! 27 NationalAssoclatJon of I Certified Home Inspectors] First Quality Home Inspections Website: h~://w_w_w.rep_o?thost_~_cp~firs_t~,ualit~.y Email: jv!inspectigns@aol.com Phone: (631) 765-6:1,04 · (631) 521-5954 FAX: (631) 765-6104 PO Box 575 Southold, New York 11971 Inspector:. ~ohn V. Utchhult Home Inspection Repor~ c-._-'~_~.t¢~: Julian & Claudia Ramone This report is the exclusive prope~¥ of this How to Read this Report This report is organized by the property's functiooal areas. Within each functional area, descriptive information is listed first and shown in bold type. [terns of concern follow descriptive information and are shown as follows: ~ ~Safety Poses a risk of injury or death m Major defect Correction likely involves a significant expense ~1~ Repair/Replace Recommend repairing or replacing ~ Repair/Maintain Recommend repair and/or maintenance ~ Maintain Recommend ongoing maintenance ~ Evaluate Recommend evaluation by a speciaJist ~1~ Monitor Recommend monitoring in the future ~' Serviceable Item or component is in servicabie condition O Comment For your information s are sorted by the types listed above. Contact your inspector if there are terms that you do not understand, or visit the glossary of construction terms at http://www.reporthost.com/glossary.asp hlln://rer~nhom.com/firsloua ii,v/tam,me i :~0/ 5/i 2/2007 General information Report number: 101 StructUres inspected: House Type of building: Single family Age of building: 200+ Property owner's name: Claudia Ramone Time started: 2:00 PI~I Time finished: 5:15 PH Znspection Fee: $350.00 Paym~r~t method: Check, payment to be mailed on 6/5/06 ~:':~-~n.'_ _~urin_e inspection: CJient(s). Property owner(s)]ulian & Claudia Ramona 1) This pro r~y as one or more fuel burning appliances, and no carbon monoxide alarms are visible. This is a safety hazard. Recommend installing one or more carbon monoxide alarms as necessary and as per the manufacturer's instructions. For more information, visit http://www.cbsc, ctov/CPSCPUB/PREREL/DrhtmlOS/OSO17.html 2) Structures built prior to 1979 may contain lead-based paint and/or asbestos in various building materials such as insulation, siding, and/or floor and ceiling tiles. Both lead and asbestos are known health hazards. Evaluating for the presence of lead and/or asbestos is not included in this inspection. The client(s) should consult with specialists as necessary, such as Industrial hygenists, professional labs and/or abatement contractors for this type of evaluation. For information on lead, asbestos and other hazardous materials in homes, visit :hese websites: · T..h_e Environmental_protect_q_n_ As__s_o_ciatJo_n_ (http://~ww.e_pa.gQv) T_h~e Consumer pr~o_ducts S_a_fe_ty _C_ommJ~sion (ht_tp ://.w_ww cpsc gqv) , The Center for Disease Control (http://www.cdc.qov) ;3) The natural gas service was turned off. As a result, some appliances such as water heater (s), forced air furnace(s), gas fireplace(s), stove(s), range(s) and/or gas supply lines weren't fully evaluated. The inspector was unable to test for gas leaks. A new hot water heater was being installed at the time of the inspection . hltn://revorthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 Photo 36 Gas meter located in basement. 4) There were no working smoke alarms at the time of inspection. Recommend having an electrician to install electric smoke alarm(s) with battery backup. 5) The smell of gas was present especially in kitchen. Possible chance smell was coming from pilot on gas range. Recommend a qualified contractor in this field to evaluate. 6) The water service wasn't turned on during the inspection. As a result, plumbing supply, drain and waste lines, fixtures, and some appliances such as water heaters weren't fully evaluated. 7) At the time of inspection water was turned off at main ball valve shutoff after well pressure tank. There was 30 pounds of pressure on gauge on pressure tank. Foundation material: Con~ete bl~, Brick, Stone Wall ~ve~ng: Cement-as~os ~ingles cement asb~tos shingles SiW~k mat~al: Pour~ fn place concrete E~r d~r mteriai: 5uiid cure wuod, Gla~ pa~i ~veied Gid~ p~uei ou fr'O~L d~ One or more plumbing vent pipes terminate less than l0 feet horizontally from a window ~hat opens. This Is.a safety hazard due to the risk of sewer vent gas entering living qualified contractor should make repairs as necessary so vent pipes terminate at l0 feet horizontally from openings into living spaces, but preferably above the roof Photo 32 Vent pipe for bath plumbing, needs to be above roof line. One or more sets of stairs are wobbly. A qualified contractor should evaluate and repair as necessary, such as installing additional supports and/or diagonal bracing. This is referring to htlp://repotthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5112~2007 Photo ].4 Front porch's boards in need of minor repair,cleaning etc. 10) One or more light fixtures located in "wet" or "damp" locations have no visible rating for use in wet locations. This is a safety hazard due to the risk of shock. A qualified electrician should evaluate and replace light fixtures as necessary and as per standard building practices. wire going to rear spotlight is not rated for exterior use. Photo 24 This light should be re wired or removed. :tX) One or more wooden deck support posts are in contact with soil, and are rotten. This is a condudve condition for wood destroying insects and organisms. Standard building practices aim that there be at least 6" of space between any wood and the soil below, even if the wood is treated. If possible, soil should be removed or graded so a 6" clearance is maintained. aalified contractor should evaluate and make repairs as necessary, such as replacing rotten posts, or trimming rotten post bases and installing concrete and metal post bases, if soil should be removed or graded so a 6" clearance is maintained. Otherwise installing borate based Impe! rods to prevent rot. Photo 1 This where underneath of porch should be checked for rot & footings. ].2) Based on the appearance of the siding and the age of this structure, some, most or all of material may contain asbestos. The client(s) should be aware of this when considering repairs to or replacement of this siding, and consult with qualified testing labs and/or abatement contractors as necessary. For more information on asbestos in the home, http://reporthost.com/firstquality/rmnone 130/ 5/12/2007 visit btt p:JJww__w, cpsc ~ g oy/_c, p~c~p~J..b_/pub s/453,ht ~ ! 1;3) One or more major cracks were found in the foundation. These appear to be a structural concern, and may indicate that settlement is ongoing. The client(s) are strongly advised to hire qualified contractors and/or engineers as necessary for further evaluation. Also there appears that the foundation has bowing especially on northeast wall & southeast wall. Such contractors may include: Foundation repair contractors who may prescribe repairs, and will give cost estimates for )rescribed repairs I~lasonry contractors who repair and/or replace brick veneer Geotechnical engineers who attempt to determine if settlement is ongoing, and what the ~use of the settlement is Structural engineers who determine if repairs are necessary, and prescribe those repairs Photo 3 This refers to the bow in foundation wall. :~4) The exterior finish over the entire structure is failing. A qualified painting contractor (pressure wash, scrape, sand, prime caulk, etc.) and repaint or restain the entire structure as per standard building practices. 15) Trees and/or shrubs are in contact with the roof edge(s) in one or more areas. Some damage has occurred. A qualified contractor should evaluate and make repairs as necessary. should be pruned back and/or removed as necessary to prevent damage and infestation by wood destroying insects. Photo 20 Tree in front of house hanging over & touching roof.' ;I.6) Soil is in contact with or less than six inches from siding and/or trim. This is a conducive for wood destroying insects and organisms. Wood siding and/or trim is rotten in areas as a result. A qualified contractor should evaluate and repair as necessary, replacing all rotten wood. Also, the soil should be graded and/or removed as necessary so at least six inches of space between the siding and trim and the soil belo~v. ;I. 7) The perimeter grading slopes towards the structure in one or more areas. This can result in water accumulating around the structure's foundation, or in basements and crawl spaces if exist. Accumulated water is a conducive condition to wood destroying insects and Wet soit may also cause the foundation to settle and possibly fail over time. nttp://reportnost.com/l~rstqua~lty/ramone t 30/ 3/I z/zt~J / First Quality Home Inspections Report ~'age 1> oi z t Recommend grading soil so it slopes down and away from the structure with a slope of at east 5% (10% or better is optimal) for at least 6 feet. :!.8) One or more downspouts are loose or detached. This can result in water accumulating around the structure's foundation, or in basements and crawl spaces if they exist. water is a conducive condition to wood destroying insects and organisms, and may also cause the foundation to settle and possibly fail over time. Repairs should be made as necessary so downspouts are securely anchored and functional. Photo 10 No extension on gutter downspout in front of house ~.9) One or more downspouts are missing. This can result in water accumulating around the or in basements and crawl spaces if they exist. Accumulated water Is a , wood destroying insects and organisms, and may also cause the settle and possibly fall over time. A qualified contractor should install downspout (s) where missing. Also recommend installing extensions such as splashblocks or tie-ins to underground drain lines as necessary to carry rainwater away from the house. 20) One or more downspouts have no extensions, or have extensions that are ineffective. water accumulating around the structure's foundation, or in basements and crawl spaces if they exist. Accumulated water is a conducive condition to wood destroying insects and organisms, and may also cause the foundation to settle and possibly fail over time. Repairs should be made as necessary, such as installing or repositioning splash blocks, ; and/or repairing tie-ins to underground drain lines, so rain water is carded at least several feet away from the structure to soil that slopes down and away from the 21) One or more downspouts are dented, dama. ged and/or crushed. This can restrict the and result in clogging and overflowing gutters. Water may accumulate around the or in basements and crawl spaces if they exist. Accumulated water is a . wood destroying insects and organisms, and may also cause the settle and possibly fail over time. Damaged downspouts should be repaired or replaced as necessary, and by a qualified contractor if necessary. 22) One or more gutters are missing. This can result in water accumulating around the or in basements and crawl spaces if they exist. Accumulated water is a , wood destroying insects and organisms, and may also cause the settle and possibly fail over time. A qualified contractor should install gutters downspouts where missing. Also, extensions sucfi as splashblocks or tieqns to underground drain lines should be installed as necessary to carry rain water away from the house. 2;3) One or more gutters are damaged. This can result in water accumulating around the structure's foundation, or in basements and crawl spaces if they exist. Accumulated water is a :onducive condition to wood destroying insects and organisms, and may also cause, the foundation to settle and possibly fail over time. A qualified contractor should replace or repair ~,tters where necessary. http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 i°IDSt ~Uallty nome inspections Keport ~'age t o~ z t Photo 8 More gutter damage. 24) One or more gutters were leaking during the inspection. This can result in water accumulating around the structure's foundation, or in basements and crawl spaces if they ated water is a conducive condition to wood destroying insects and organisms, and may also cause the foundation to settle and possibly fail over time. A qualified contractor epair gutters where necessary. One or more gutters are poorly sloped so that significant amounts of water accumulate in rather than draining through the downspouts. This can cause gutters to overflow, , when organic debris such as leaves or needles have accumulated in them. A should evaluate and make repairs as necessary, such as correcting the in gutters or installing additional extensions if necessary. 26) Gutters in one or more areas are significantly rusted or corroded. Leaks may result. A Jalified contractor should evaluate and replace gutters where necessary. 27) Siding is damaged and/or deteriorated in one or more areas. A qualified contractor should make repairs and/or replace siding as necessary to prevent water and vermin ntrusion. Photo 9 Refers to siding damage. 7.8) Gutters in one or more areas are significantly rusted or corroded. Leaks may result. A ualified contractor should evaluate and replace gutters where necessary. http://reporthost.com/firstquality/mmone 130/ 5/12/2007 Photo 26 Rusted yankee gutter. 29) Soffit boards are damaged or deteriorated in one or more areas. A qualified contractor should evaluate and make repairs as necessary. Photo 11 Yankee gutter failing 30) Rot was found in one or more areas on soffit boards. A qualified contractor should evaluate and make repairs as necessary, replacing all rotten wood. 3;I.) Stains were found in one or more areas on soffit boards. These appear to be due to current roof leaks (dripping water, high moisture content, etc.). A qualified contractor should evaluate and repair as necessary. Roof repairs may be necessary, such as to the roof surface and/or flashing. Drip edge flashing may need to be replaced or installed. 32) Fascia boards are damaged or deteriorated in one or more areas. A qualified contractor should evaluate and make repairs as necessary. 33) Rot was found at the base of the stair stringers. A qualified contractor should evaluate and repair as necessary. All rotten wood should be replaced or removed and soil should be graded and/or removed if necessary to maintain at least a 6" gap between wood and soil. 34) One or more light fixtures are damaged and/or deteriorated. A qualified electrician should evaluate and repair or replace light fixtures where necessary. Photo 15 Front porch ceiling, in need of paint & light 35) One or more end caps are missing on gutters. This can result In water accumulating around the structure's foundation, or in basements and crawl spaces if they exist. Accumulated water is a conducive condition to wood destroying Insects and organisms, and may also cause the foundation to settle and possibly fail over time. End caps should be replaced where missing. http://reporthost .com/firstquality/ramone 13 O/ 5/12/2007 Home Inspections Report Page 9 oI 27 Photo 31 No end cap on gutter & wood rot. 36) One or more crawl space vent screens are blocked by soil, debris, insulation, stored Items removable panels. This restricts ventilation in the crawl space and may result In increased ilevels of moisture inside. Materials or items blocking vents should be removed. J One or more crawlspace vents are below or near grade with no well to prevent rainwater entering. This can lead to water entering and accumulating in the crawl space, and is a e condition for wood destroying insects and organisms. A qualified contractor should install wells where necessary. exist at one or more openings around the exterior, such as those where outside refrigerant lines, and/or gas supply pipes penetrate the exterior. Gaps should be y to prevent moisture intrusion and entry by vermin. One or more crawl space vents are below or near grade with inadequate wells. This can lead to water entering and accumulating in the crawl space, and is a conducive condition for insects and organisms. A qualified contractor should replace and/or repair where necessary. One or more moderate cracks (!/8 inch to 3/4 inch) were found in the foundation. These be a structural concern, or an indication that settlement is ongoing. The client(s) should qualified contractors and/or engineers as necessary for further evaluaUon. Such contractors may include: Foundation repair contractors who may prescribe repairs, and will give cost estimates for repairs Masonry contractors who repair and/or replace brick veneer Geotechnical engineers who attempt to determine if settlement is ongoing, and what the e settlement is Structural engineers who determine if repairs are necessary, and prescribe those repairs minimum, recommend sealing cracks to prevent water infiltration. Numerous products to seal such cracks including: ;ling a channel in the crack to apply. See uickrete.com ater-StopCero.~ot.htm! for an example. · Resilient caulks (easy to apply). See http.://www..qu ckr_~_e com/_catalog[GrayConcr_e_t_e_Re~a r_ht~ml for an example. · Epoxy sealants (both a waterproof and structural repair). See http.i//wv~_w.mQN, n_taingrout.comJ for examples of these products. http://reporthost.corn/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 Photo 6 Refers to bow in foundation wall on southwest side of house. "%~ 41) One or more sections of foundation and/or exterior walls are excluded from this ~nspectJon due to lack of access from vegetation, debris and/or stored items. x%0 42) Window glazing putty at one or more windows is missing and/or deteriorated. Putty should be replaced and/or installed where necessary. For more information on replacing ~indow putty, visit: http://www.oldhouseweb.com/stories/Detailed/12216.shtml ~'~ 43) Vegetation such as trees, shrubs and/or vines are In contact with or less than one foot from the structure's exterior. Vegetation can serve as a conduit for wood destroying Insects ~nd may retain moisture against the exterior a~er it rains. Vegetation should be pruned ~nd/or removed as necessary to maintain a one foot clearance between it and the structure's 9xterior. Photo 4 This refers to the vegetation overgrowth on north side of house. %% 44) Trees and/or shrubs are in contact with or are close to the roof edge(s) in one or more areas. Damage to the roof may result, especially during high winds. VegetaUon can also act as a conduit for wood destroying insects. Vegetation should be pruned back and/or removed as necessary to prevent damage and infestation by wood destroying insects. %% 45) Soil is. In contact wli:h or less than six inches from siding and/or trim. This is a conducive condition for wood destroying insects and organisms. Soil should be graded and/or removed as necessary so there are at least six inches of space between the siding and trim and the soil below. ~, 46) The finish on the porches (front & rear) is worn and/or deteriorated. Recommend cleaning and refinishing as necessary. Roof Roof inspection method: Viewed from eaves on ladder Roof typo: Gable, Front structure is gable & rear structure is flat roof Roof covering: Asphalt or fiberglass (~mposltk)n shingles, Built up tar and felt, Metal Estimated age of roof: not able to tell age Gutter & downspout material: Aluminum, Galvanized steel, Built-in http://reporthost.com/firstquality/mmone 130/ 5112/2007 Roof ventilation: None visible 47) Moss is growing on the roof. As a res~l~, st~i~le~a~li~t or bJ damaged. Leaks may ~O~ result and/or the roof surface ma,/fail p~maturel~ This i~c ye condition for wood :lestroying insects and organisms. Efforts should b~aken to k~the moss during its growing season (wet months). Typically zinc-based chemical~ ar~lyed lo, his, and must be applied ~eriodically. For information on various moss treatme~t;.~r~ducts a~l~d their pros and cons, Photo 30 More moss on roof. ............ ' ~{~ 48) One or more sections of roof flashing are deteriorated and/or rusted. Leaks may occur as a result. A qualified roofing contractor should evaluate and replace flashing where necessary. Photo 27 Flat roof in rear of house, pretty good shape. ~ 49) One or more sections of flashing at the base of the chimney are deteriorated and/or substandard. Leaks may occur as a result. A qualified roofing contractor should evaluate and repair as necessary. Photo 2 This picture refers to th flashing on chimney which is in need of some repair. ~ 50) One or more sections of metal roofing are dented and/or damaged. A qualified roofing contractor should evaluate and replace sections and/or make repairs as necessary. '~ 51) On further review the roof does not appear to be in real bad condition. But still recommend routine maintenance & evaluation by a licensed roofing contractor. http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 First Quality Home Inspections Report Page 12 of 27 Photo 28 52) Debris has accumulated in one or more gutters. This is a conducive condition for wood insects since gutters may overflow and cause water to come in contact with the ~ water accumulate around the foundation. Gutters should be as necessary In the future. Photo 29 5:3) Trees and/or shrubs are in contact with or are close to the roof edge(s) in one or more areas. Damage to the roof may result, especially during high wlnds~ Vegetation can also act wood destroying Insects. Vegetation should be pruned back and/or removed y to prevent damage and Infestation by wood destroying insects. Attic Xnspection method: Traversed Roof structure type: Rafters Ceiling structure: Ceiling beams Znsulation material: None visible There isno handrail present on s. taircase to attic. Recommend a qualified contractor to install one as needed. Photo 33 No hand rail to attic. htto://rer~orthost.com/firstmmlirv/ramonel qO/ q/19/?f~fl~ First Quality Home Inspections Report Page 13 of 27 $$) No ceiling insulation'is installed in the attic. A qualified contractor should install insulation for better energy efficiency and as per standard building practices with an R rating recommended for this area. 56) Stains were visible on the roof structure in one or more areas. These areas were dry at time of the inspection. The stains may be caused by a past leak. Recommend asking the property owner(s) about past leaks. The client(s) should monitor these areas in the future, after heavy rains, to determine if active leaks exist. If leaks are found, a qualified roofing contractor should evaluate and repair as necessary. The visible stains were in the area the chimney in attic. There are lots of nails protruding through roof sheathing in that area. cause of leak or possible faulty flashing on chimney on outside of roof. Photo 34 Water damage in attic near chimney. Ventilation is substandard in the at'dc. Inadequate attic ventilation may result in high attic and roof surface temperatures, reduce the life of the roof covering materials and increase costs. High levels of moisture are also likely, and can be a conducive condition for destroying insects and organisms. Standard building practices require one square foot ~ area for 150 to 200 square feet of attic space. Vents should be evenly distributed ridges and at corners to promote air circulation. A qualified contractor should install vents as per standard building practices. Photo 16 Attic window, one on each'side (2) only ventilation for attic. Electric service Primary service type: Overhead Primary service overload protection type: Fuses Service amperage (amps): 100 Service voltage (volts): 120/240 Location of main service switch: On north wall in basement panel box Service entrance conductor material: Branch circuit wiring type: Non-metallic sheathed, (BX) Armor clad, Copper Solid strand aluminum branch circuit wiring present: Can't verify Smoke detectors present: No http://reporthost.com/firs.tquality/ramonc 130/ 5/12/2007 58) The electric service to this property is in need of an upgrade. Recommend upgrading flete new service by a licensed electrician. this time there appears to be no ground on this system which creates a safety hazard and should be looked at immediately. Ground wire from panel to well casing is not connected and ppear to be no ground rods at all on outside. Photo 35 Fuse box, needs upgrade. 59) The service entrance wire insulation is frayed and/or deteriorated in one or more areas. A ~alified electrician should evaluate and make repairs or replace wires as necessary. The service entrance wires have one or more loose points of attachment. For example, ~rackets and/or fasteners are loose. This is a potential safety hazard. A qualified contractor or __uate and make repairs as necessary. Ii:L) One or more clamps that secure the electric service's grounding electrode conductor(s) to grounding rod(s) appear to be missing. Grounding may be inadequate as a result and ma' hazard for shock. A qualified electrician should evaluate and necessary. Ii2) There is one wire which is a :10/3 with ground that used to go to electric hot water now there is a natural gas hot water heater in its place, the wire is Just hanging in mid-air. This wire should be dead ended into a junction box. Water heater Estimated age: Brand new Type: Tank Energy source: Natural gas Capacity (in gallons): 30 Manufacturer: Bradford White 63) No drain line is installed for the temperature-pressure relief valve. This is a potential safety hazard due to the risk of scalding if someone is standing next to the water heater when the valve opens. A qualified plumber should install a drain line tis per standard building )ractices. For example, extending to 6 inches from the floor, or routed so as to drain outside. 64) The water heater was turned off at the time of the inspection. For example, circuit breaker turned off, gas supply turned off or pilot light turned off. The inspector was unable to fully evaluate the water heater. http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 Photo 39 New hot water heater, being Installed at the time of inspection Heating and cooling Estimated Old The heating system appears to be beyond it's life expectancy. Recommend qualified contractor to evaluate system & replace if necessary Photo 56 Old gas floor heater, needs to be upgraded. Plumbing and laundry Water pressure (psi): :3{:) on 50 off pounds at pressure tank Location of main water shut-off valve: North side of basement Water service: Private well Service pipe material: Galvanized steel Supply pipe material: Copper Vent pipe material: Galvanized steel, Cast iron Drain pipe material: Plastic, Galvanized steel Waste ~ipe material: Cast iron ~1~ 66) The water supply was turned off at the time of inspection. The inspector could not evaluate the plumbing system. One thing was noticed that improper venting of waste lines was present. There is a Pro-Vent under kitchen sink which can allow gases to escape into living space. Recommend qualified plumber to evaluate all systems. ~ ~1 67) Water supply pipes in homes built prior to 1986 may be joined with solder that contains lead. Lead is a known health hazard, especially for children. Laws were passed in 1985 }rohibiting the use of lead in solder, but prior to that solder normally contained ab~)ut 50 }ercent lead. The client(s) should be aware of this, especially if children will be living in this ;tructure. Evaluating for the presence of lead in this structure Is not included in this inspection. The client(s) should consider having a qualified lab test for lead, and if necessary take steps to reduce or remove lead from the water supply. Various solutions such as these http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 lqrst I~Uallty Home lnspecUons Keport rage ~o ut z~ may be advised: · Flush water taps or faucets. Do not drink water that has been sitting in the plumbing lines for more than six hours. · Install appropriate filters at points of use. · Use only cold water for cooking and drinking. Hot water dissolves lead more quickly than cold water. · Use bottled or distilled water. · Treat well water to make it less corrosive. · Have a qualified plumbing contractor replace supply pipes and/or plumbing components as necessary. For more information visit: htl;_p;//_www.cpsc._~o_vJC_.P.~_C:_~_B]_P_UBS/$O56.html and htto_://www.e_pa.go_vJsa fewaLe_r/lea d/index, htm I 6B) Recommend having the septic tank Inspected. Recommend having the tank pumped If it was last pumped more than 3 years ago. 69) No clothes dryer exhaust duct is installed. Clothes dryers produce large amounts of moisture which should not enter structure interiors. Damage to building components may result. A rigid or semi-rigid metal exhaust duct should be installed as per standard building )ractices, and by a qualified contractor if necessary. For information, visit http;//www.cpsc.qov/CPSCPUB/PUBS/5022.html 70) The washer/dryer stack unit was delivered at the time of inspection. Recommend qualified person(s) to do the electric,plumbing & vent hook ups. Photo 55 New washer/dryer stack unit, not hooked up yet. 71) Neither the clothes washer or dryer were operated or evaluated. They are excluded from this inspection. Fireplaces, woodstoves and chimneys Fireplace type: Masonry, brick Chimney type: Masonr~r brick ~ 72) One or more chimney flues do not have a s~:reened cover installed. Screened covers )revent the following: Fire hazard from wood fire sparks and embers exiting flues Wildlife (birds, rodents, raccoons, etc.) entering flues Rainwater entering flues and mixing with combustion deposits, creating caustic chemicals 'hich can corrode flues · Rainwater entering flues and causing damage to terracotta flue tiles from freeze-thaw cycles A qualified chimney service contractor should install screened cover(s) where missing. Screens should have holes 1/4 inch or larger. http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 Photo 25 73) Gas range in kitchen has power vent attached to chimney. Recommend evaluation by qualified contractor of range & chimney flue to make sure of proper ventilation. Photo 53 Power vent for kitchen range, very outdated. 74) At the time of the inspection the client(s) Informed inspector that the main chimney/fireplace was closed off because it was unsafe to use. Both chlmney's should be evaluated & flue cover(s) should be installed if not present. Photo 57 ...... Old fireplace supposedly closed of in flue. 75) Lead flashing is not in proper position, should be evaluated by a licensed contractor. http://reporthost.com/flrstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 r~r.6t ~ual~ty florae lnspccuoB~ Kcport ~-ag¢ 1~ ol // Photo 5 This picture shows flashing on chimney which is in need of minor repair. Crawl space Inspection method: Viewed from partial basement, non-accessible Insulation material underneath floor above: None visible Pier or support post material; Wood, Nasonry Beam material: Solid wood Floor s~ :ructure above: Solid wood joists ~or barrier present: No ?6) No insulation is installed under the floor in the crawl space. Recommend that a qualified :ontractor Install R19 or better (6" thick'fiberglass batt) insulation under the floor for better ~nergy efficiency. 17) The crawl space ventilation is substandard, or none exists. This may result In high levels )f moisture in the crawl space and can be a conducive condition for wood destroying insects and organisms. Standard building practices require one square foot of vent area for 150 to 200 square feet of crawl space. Vents should be evenly distributed and within a few feet of :orners to promote air circulation. A qualified contractor should evaluate and install vents as )er standard building practices. IB) No vapor barrier is Installed. This is a conducive condition for wood destroying insects and organisms due to the likelihood of water evaporating into the structure from the soil. A qualified contractor should install a vapor barrier. Standard building practices require the !following: · The soil below the vapor barrier should be smooth and free from sharp objects. · Seams should overlap a minimum of 12 inches. · The vapor barrier should lap up onto the foundation side walls. Better building practices require that; · Seams and protrusions should be sealed with a pressure sensitive tape. · The vapor barrier should be caulked and attached t!ghtly to the foundation side walls. For example, with furring strips and masonry nails. http://reporthost.corn/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/I 2/2007 First Quality Home Inspections Report Page 19 of 27 Photo 48 No vapor barrier in crawl space over dirt. ~(~ 79) No insulation under floor in crawl space in some areas. Recommend that a qualified contractor install R19 or better (6" thick fiberglass bart) insulation below floor where missing for energy efficiency. Photo 44 No Insulation in floorboards of basement. '~ BO) Soil is in contact with one or more wooden support post bases. Soil should be graded or removed to maintain a six inch gap between the support post bases and the soil below. 0 B1) All crawl space areas were inaccessible due to Iow height (less than 18 inches). These areas are excluded from this inspection. Basement Znsulation material underneath floor above: None visible Pier or support post material: Wood Beam material: Solid wood Floor structure above: Solid w,ood joists (~ B2) Stairs are unsafe due to a non-standard configuration, such as too-high riser heights and/or too-narrow tread depths. Standard building practices call for riser heights not to ~xceed eight inches and tread depths to be at least nipe inches but preferably ].1 inches. Riser ~eights should not vary more than 3/8 inch on a flight of stairs. At a minimum, the client(s) should be aware of this hazard, especially when guests who are not familiar with the stairs are present. Ideally a qualified contractor should repair or replace stairs so they conform to standard building practices. http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 Photo 50 Another picture of dangerous steps to basement. 83) At the time of inspection the inspector noticed a large crack in floor joist over electric Recommend licensed contractor to Sister or replace floor joist. 84) Also at the time of inspection noticed floor support beams are supported by locust posts. is substandard in this day & age. Recommend licensed contractor to replace with ACQ 6"x6" or with metal Iolley columns with concrete footings under them. Photo 38 Locust post in basement, needs replacement. One or more flights of stairs with more than two risers have no handrail installed. This Is a safety hazard. A qualified contractor should install graspable handrails that your hand can , encircle at stairs where missing, and as per standard building practices. Photo 49 Steps to basement, dangerous, no hand rail either. i~6) Staining from a leak or prior leak on basement ceiling floorboards, possible old leak or active leak from under kitchen sink http://reporthost.con~firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 Photo 46 Some water staining under kitchen sink in basement. Well Location of well equipment: North side of basement Location of tank shut off valve: On line to house ust above well tank. ~ 87) Recommend having the well ~a~er tested for c~liform bacteria, nitrates, and anything else of local concern, by a qualified lab. For more information, visit http://www.wellowner.org Photo 41 Well pump & tank. ~, 88) This property's water pressure was below 40 psi at times during the inspection, 40-80 psi ~s considered to be the normal range for water pressure in a home. Most well equipment 3perates In a 20 psi range during its use and recharge.cycle. The client(s) may find that the lower pressures in this range may not be adequate. For example, when one person is showering and another is using other plumbing fixtures, hlodifications can be made such as adjusting or replacing the pressure regulator switch. Recommend having a qualified well or 31umbing contractor evaluate and make repairs as necessary, For more information; visit 3ttp://www.wellowner.org/awellmaintenance/waterpressure.shtml ~' B9) Well was not tested or evaluated because of ongoing work on ,olumbing system in house, O the pressure gauge read 30 pounds at the time of inspection which is ok if this is the Iow end of pressure where pressure switch turns on pump at 30 pounds & off at 50 pounds. Recommend evaluation by licensed plumber or well technician. All appears serviceable. http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 Photo 47 Pressure switch for well pump motor. Kitchen 90) One or more electric receptacles that serve countertops surfaces within six feet of a sink appear to have no ground fault circuit Interrupter (GFC!) protection. This is a safety hazard due to the risk of shock. A qualified electrician should evaluate to determine if GFC! protection exists, and if not, repairs should be made so that all receptacles that serve countertops surfaces within slx feet of sinks have GFC! protection. For example, install GFC! receptacles or circuit breaker(s) as needed. Photo 54 Shows receptacle near sink, has to be GFC!. !n today's standards the kitchen Is in lack of improper amount of 20 amp circuits for appliances such as refrigerators,dishwashers and microwaves. Recommend licensed electrician to evaluate & install receptacles & GFC['s where needed as per code. 92) A prior or active leak under kitchen sink, recommend plumber to evalute. Photo 5 Under kitchen sink, some signs of small leaks. 93) One or more kitchen appliances appear to be near, at, or beyond their intended service life of :[0 to 15 years. Recommend budgeting for replacements as necessary. http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 First Quality Home Inspections Report Page 23 of 27 I~ 194) The overall kitchen is outdated but is serviceable except the electric & gas range. Bathrooms 95) One or more wall-mounted electric switches are within reach of shower stalls. This is a safety hazard due to the risk of shock. Recommend having qualified electrician evaluate and move switches as necessary, or having a qualified contractor make modifications as necessary, so wall switches are three feet or more away from shower stalls. The pull chain light in front of shower is reachable from shower. 96) One or more electric receptacles that serve countertops surfaces within six feet of a sink appear to have no ground fault circuit interrupter (GFCI) protection. This is a safety hazard due to the risk of shock. A qualified electrician should evaluate to determine if GFCI protection and if not, repairs should be made so that all receptacles that serve countertops ;inks have GFCI protection. For example, install GFCI receptacles or (s) as needed. Photo 52 Receptacle in bath should be GFCI. Caulk is missing and/or deteriorated where countertops meet backsplashes in wet areas, as around sinks. Caulk should be replaced where deteriorated and/or applied where Again water was turned off at the time of inspection, no sink,toilet or shower could be inspected properly. Interior rooms 99) No smoke alarms are visible. This is a safety hazard. A qualified electrician should Install smoke alarms as per standard building practices (functioning one exists in hallways leading to ~)edrooms, and in each bedroom, etc.). For more information, visit http://www.cpsc.qov/cpscpub/pubs/5077.html 1.O0) An insufficient number of smoke alarms are installed. Additional smoke alarms should be installed as necessary so a functioning one exists in each hallway leading to bedrooms, and in each bedroom. For more Information, visit http://v~ww,cpsc.§ov/cpsc~pubs/5077.html 101.) Relatively few electric receptacles are Installed in one or more interior rooms. This can result in "octopus" wiring with extension cords, which is a fire hazard. A qualified electrician should evaluate and install additional receptacles as necessary and as per standard building ~ractices. 102) Two-pronged electric receptacles rather than three-pronged, grounded receptacles are installed in one or more interior rooms. They are considered to be unsafe by today's standards and limit the ability to use appliances that require a ground in these rooms. Examples of appliances that require grounded receptacles include: · Computer hardware http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 · Refrigerators · Freezers · Air conditioners · Clothes washers · Clothes dryers Dishwashers Kitchen food waste disposers Information technology equipment Sump pumps Electrical aquarium equipment Hand-held motor-operated tools · Stationary and fixed motor-operated tools · Light industrial motor-operated tools · Hedge clippers · Lawn mowers This list is not exhaustive. A qualified electrician should evaluate 'and install grounded receptacles as per the client(s)' needs and standard building practices. i~ 103) Few electric receptacles and two-pronged receptacles rather than three-pronged, grounded receptacles are installed in one or more interior rooms. This can result in "octopus" wiring with extension cords. Two-prong receptacles are considered unsafe by today's standards, and limit the ability to use appliances that require a ground in these rooms.. This is a safety hazard for both fire and shock. Examples of appliances that require grounded receptacles include: · Computer hardware · Refrigerators · Freezers · Air conditioners · Clothes washers · Clothes dryers · Dishwashers · Kitchen food waste disposers · Information technology equipment · Sump pumps · Electrical aquarium equipment · Hand-held motor-operated tools · Stationary and fixed motor-operated tools · Light industrial motor-operated tools · Hedge clippers · Lawn mowers this list is not exhaustive. A qualified electrician should evaluate and install additional -eceptades and grounded receptacles as per the client(s)' needs and standard building ~ractices.  :tO4) At front door there is a switch that appears to have worked an outside porch light. There is no longer a light on porch or steps. Recommend replacing old switch & removing pie ~late over outside box (if any) in ceiling of front porch. Recommend licensed electrician to evaluate wiring. ~'~ :I. OS) Cover plate(s) are broken at one or more electric boxes, such as for receptacles, switches and/or junction boxes. They are intended to contain fire and prevent electric shock from exposed wires. This is a safety hazard due to the risk of fire and shock. Cover'plates should be replaced where necessary. ~0 :1.06) This structure was built prior to 1979 and may contain lead paint. Laws were enacted in 1978 in the US preventing the use of lead paint in residential structures. Lead is a known safety hazard, especially to children but also to adults. The paint found in and around this http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 r irst ~uaHty r~ome lnspecuons Keport ~'age z3 oI Z/ structure appeared to be intact and may be encapsulated by more recent layers of paint that are not lead-based. Regardless, recommend following precautions as described in the following links to Consumer Products Safety Commission website articles regarding possible ead paint. ~Vhat You Should Know About Lead Based Paint in Your Home: Safety Alert - CPSC Document #5054 ICPSC Warns About Hazards of "Do It Yourself" Removal of Lead Based Paint: Safety Alert - CPSC _D.o_c.._ument #5025 107) One or more rooms that are considered living spaces appear to have no visible source of heat. The client(s) should consult with the property owner(s) regarding this, and if necessary, a qualified contractor should evaluate and install heat source(s) as necessary. 108) Screen(s) in one or more windows are torn or have holes In them. Screens should be replaced where necessary. 109) Plaster in closet where chimney is in needs repair. This problem could be due to no chimney cap which is allowing rain water to enter down flue & through brick & mortar or this could be Just old plaster falling due to poor adhesion to brick. Photo 58 Plaster in closet, in need of repair. 110) Minor cracks were found in ceilings in one or more areas. They do not appear to be a structural concern, but the client(s) may wish to repair these for aesthetic reasons. 111) Minor cracks were found in walls in one or more areas. They do not appear to be a structural concern, but the client(s) may wish to repair these for aesthetic reasons. 112) Flooring in most of house is solid wood flooring & is in good condition. Recommend refinishing. Photo 7 Refers to gutter damage. Photo 12 Trim in some areas in bad shape. http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 First Quality Home Inspections Report ?age 26 o! 2'/ Photo 13 Tree overhanging house. Photo 17 Vent pipe for floor heater. Photo 18 Rolled roof on front porch. Photo 19 Front porch roof, rolled roof in good shape. Photo 21 Trim damage. Photo 22 Window sill damage. Photo 23 I~ore window sill damage. Photo 37 Old style floor heater, needs to be removed. http://reporthost.com/fi rstq uality/ramone 13 O/ 5/12/2007 e~rst ~Uallty Home Inspections Report t'age 2 / ol 2 / Photo 40 Shows gas controls. Photo 42 Splice box for circuits when panel was upgraded last time. Photo 43 Photo 45 Vent not hooked up to hot water Old foundation wall in basement heater. "Inspections Can Save Lives" http://reporthost.com/firstquality/ramone 130/ 5/12/2007 N/F CONSTANT N/F EHR. LICH N 26°14'0'' E -.-..~n; ..... '0~lRE FENCE I CONC.[ - - '~ PROPOSED 2ND. FLOOR ADDITION 2.6 PATIO w/TRELUS EXISTING ~'~ N/F rtl EHRLICH EX. 1-1/2 :~"~. w PROPOSED 2ND. FL ADDmlON 30.5' 11.5' COVERED PORCH $ 26°14'0" V,/57.00' 11.5' V i L L A G E L A N E STTE PLAN PERSPECTIVE VIE~ ~CALE: NTS LOCATION: EXISTING: LOT %: PROPOSED LOT% PROPERTY: 3990.0 SQ. FT. HOUSE: 861.2 SQ. 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FLOOR PLAN SCALE: 1/8" = 1'-0' A-4 OLD POSTCARDS HISTORIC ORIENT VILLAGE 20th Anniversary Reissue Commemorating the Designation of the Orient Historic District PUBLISHED BY OYSTERPONDS HISTORICAL SOCIETY HISTORIC ORIENT VILLAGE A pictorial guide to the old buildings in the Orient Historic District with historical and architectural notes on over 100 such structures. 20TH ANNIVERSARY REISSUE COMMEMORATING TI-IE DESIGNATION OF THE ORIENT HISTORIC DISTRICT published by OYSTERPONDS HISTORICAL SOCIETY Orient, Long Island New York 20TH ANNIVERSARY REISSUE COMMEMORATING THE DESIGNATION OF THE ORIENT HISTORIC DISTRICT The publication, in 1976, of Historic Orient Village was a testament to ,community awareness of the value of historic preservation and docu- mentation, and to the dedication of a great many members of the community to the efforts necessary to achieve national designation and to produce this book. A little more than thirty years earlier, in 1944, over 400 members of the community had become charter members and subscribers of the Oysterponds Historical Society, and had contributed to the purchase of Village House, its first museum building. Since that time, residents of Orient and East Marion have donated buildings, artifacts, and documents to OHS, to create an incomparable record of the culture of this very particular place, and, in so doing, to make a significant contribution to the larger history of the country and of Long Island in particular. We owe a great debt to th~ founders, and to the subsequent boards, staff, and volunteers of the Society, for their foresight-and care. We owe a debt as well to the many residents of the community in the eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth centuries who recorded, in journals, letters, drawings, and photograpl~s, the particulars of their world. This volume is republished in its original form, as a historic document in its own right. Some minor corrections could have been made, but they will await more research. It should be noted that Captain Samuel Vail's house (#30 is now the residence of the OHS Director. The reader should be assured that the spirit of preservation, continuity, and respect for the history of the commumty which infbrms this volume is, at this writing, alive and vigorous. Fredrida Wachsberger President, Oysterponds Historical Society September, 1995 POSSESSION OF THIS BOOK DOES NOT CONFER ANY RIGHT TO TRESPASS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY Prinled by EASTERN SUFFOLK PRINTING 300 Pleasure Drive Riverhead, New Yolk 11901 PREFACE The idea of petitioning to have Orient Village officially recognized as a Historic District was first proposed to the Board of Directors of the Oysterponds Historical Society in 1973, during the presidency of Charles E. Webb. The proposal was enthusiastically received and inquiries were immediately started to find out just what steps had to be taken. As soon as this was known, funds were appropriated for carrying out the project. The Society for the Preservation of L~ng Island Antiqui- ties (SPLIA) and the Historic Preservation Division of the New York State Office of Parks and Recreation were most cooperative in helping with the preliminaries-the formal procedures and requirements for submitting an application to Albany for consideration. Some of the preparatory work required a lot of attention. First, it was necessary to have representatives of the Historic Preservation Division visit Orient and judge its eligibility and worthiness at first hand. Along with this, agreement had to be reached on precise boundaries because a Historic District intended for registration with the Department of Interior under the National Historic Preservation Act of 1966 has certain legal implications and privileges, so the area must be dearly defined. It was decided that the Historic District should extend just far enough to encompass the concen- trated, built-up section of Orient Village as it was in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, and as it still is today in many respects. Having settled on the area (for map see page vi), it was necessary to inventory the man-made structures therein and supply snapshots and considerable information on each one, especially age data. It turned out that there were 177 items to be reported on, including the most recent buildings. For Orient, it was decided that historic significance would be claimed for all structures built before 1900. That decision left well over 100 buil~tings to be researched as deeply as possible for structural and historical data, and to be written up on state prescribed forms. This demanded much detailed work in the field and in the files-not only the files of OHS, but also in town and county offices and the libraries of other historical societies and museums. The field work in- volved inspecting houses, noting special features, talking with owners, and tape-recording interviews with long-time r~sidents. The wide-ranging extent of these activities required a super committee a veritable task force of more than 30 people. The coordinator for this vast undertaking was Ethel Bentz, a Director of OHS. As colleagues, Mrs. Bentz had: Phyllis Odiseos (from SPLIA), Marion Di Cristina, Flavia Grebinar, Adelaide Greenwald, Phyllis Hale, Scott Harris, Norma Kahn, Richard Keogh, Marion Kren, Gerald "Gabe" Lathan, Alice Leddy, Marie Meklenberg, Anne Moon, Vinton Richard, Bertha Seaman, Mary Webb. Also giving assistance in the study were Edna Ashworth, Irma Dimbat, Elizabeth Lathan, Violet Dearborn Latham, Eloise Norklun, Eula Rackett, Gert King Reeves, Mr. and Mrs. Frank Richard, Mr. and Mrs. Kenneth Tabor, Mona Tabor, Ruberta Tabor, Adrianna Vail. After six months of very demanding work, the volumi- nous records compiled by Mrs. Bentz's committee were forwarded to the Office of Parks and Recreation in Albany in October 1974. It is quite clear now that seeking designation as a Historic District is not something to be entered into lightly. Not only is the work strenuous at the site, but also in the state offices where everything must be reviewed and approved as to both merit and form, after which certain legal notices must appear three times in a local newspaper before N.Y. State recognition can be accorded. In the case of Orient, our peti- tion was under consideration for more than a year before we were notified, early in 1976, that it had been accepted by the Board for Historic Preservation, and that an appli- cation would be prepared, on our behalf, submitting our district to the Department of the Interior in Washington, which maintains the National Register of Historic Places. On May 21, 1976 we were notified that Orient Historic District had that day been officially entered on the Register. *** A. lmost from the beginning of the project, it was thought that the information so diligently gathered for the N.Y. Board for Historic Preservation should be reworked into some kind of book. This, however, was conceived of as another whole project, because the raw materials of the original house-by- house inventory-data, notations, snapshots-were not in a form suitable simply to be turned over to a printer. The Society invited Kenneth Godfrey to take charge of all aspects of the book project, and commissioned Scott Harris to take photographs of the high quality necessary for reproduction. Ethel Benz, Norman Dietz, and Richard Keogh ~ere appointed as a committee to assist in various phases of the work. When the committee had developed a plan for the book and its general dimensions, various members of the OHS Board of Directors turned their attention to raising money to help defray production costs. Thanks to their efforts funds became available which made it possible to have this book printed and ready for sale as part of Orient's Bicentennial Celebration in July, 1976. To the anonymous donors of this generous underwriting, and to ail the people who worked on the book and on the Historic District project, the Oysterponds Historical Society expresses its profound gratitude. Robert Van Nostrand, President Oysterponds Historical Society NEW YORK STATE PARKS AND RECREATION DIVISION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION %is is to certiJy that in recognition qJ ~ts siqnificance and to encoura~te ils J)reserpation was listed on the NATIONAL REGISTER ()F HIS'T()RIC PLACES' hy lt~e UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR upon nomination by the State Historic Preservation Officer under provisions of the National Historic Preservation Act of t966. INTRODUCTION This book is organized differently from any other we know of. For that reason this Introduction is chiefly concerned with explanations and instructions to the reader as to how the book works. First some explanations. The subtitle says "guide to the old buildings...". For the purposes of the official Historic District, an old building was defined as any structure-includ- ing monuments, a cemetery, a wharf and even a tree-in exist- ence before 1900 and now standing within the boundaries of the District. Structures built after 1900 were simply de- fined as "not yet historic" and are therefore omitted from the pictures and text. Pictures of the included structures are grouped geographi- cally and laid out on the pages in approximately the same arrangement that the actual buildings bear to one another and to the streets. Since the historic and architectural notes are adjoined to each picture, it should be clear that the text is not designed to be read as a chronological history of the community of Orient, but rather as a catalog of the village's photogenic attractions. A brief narrative history of'Orient can be found at the back of the book. Starting with pages 2 and 3, each pair of facing pages-or "spreads"-should be viewed as a section of a pictorial street map, with buildings on either side and roadway in the middle. Each page carries a heading indicating which side of the street the pictures are related to. Spreads leap-frog successively along the streets in one direction, thus presenting each group of houses as one might see them while standing more or less in their midst. For the most part, spreads encompass structures which are in the same environs usually in sight of one another-and insofar as practical, pictures of houses on oppo- site sides of the street have been kept in the same relationship to each other in the book. By the same token, pictures are normally adjacent, as next-door houses are, except where one or more post-1900 houses, not pictured, intervene. At such points a narrow white space separates the pictures. In some places where considerable space exists between houses, corre- sponding space in the book is used for special pictures or commentary. This unusual geographic arrangement of pictures and text was adopted for two reasons. First, it was felt that the adja- cency and proximity of the houses in Orient are a reflection of one of the most notable characteristics of the village built visually and historically. Second, almost total absence of street numbers on houses would make it difficult for a visitor to locate and identify buildings if the pictures were grouped together by age or architectural style or some other criterion, and separated from the descriptive text. On a tour of the village, the book can help to locate and identify a house by picturing its neighbors. No specific walking tours are laid out, but the street map, which indicates the sequence of the book's pages, will suggest routes which can be followedby a visitor who wishes to explore any particular area of the Historic District. The hub of this geographical arrangement has been placed at the headquarters of the Oysterponds Historical Society because this area has been the residential center of the village for 150 years. Pictures on each page are identified by the page number and a letter indicating position on the page. This code is re- flected on the street map. However, the reader need not refer to the map to trace a cross reference; instead one can turn directly to the page and the picture or text for the building or person being referred to. The page numbers on the street map show the sequence in which the spreads cover the various streets after starting north on Village Lane from the Historical Society (OHS) headquarters. Information about the various buildings ranges from being cbiefly structural or architectural to being chiefly historical. Since most of the photographs are front views, physical de- scriptions tend to concentrate on what can be seen from the street side. Names of earlier occupants are sometimes spelled different- ly in different places. "Young" and "Youngs", for example, are not typographical errors; members of the family changed their minds. Naming of present occupants was deliberately avoided since all of the dwellings are private homes, not open for casual inspection. Architectural terms have been kept to a minimum of fairly common words, so no Glossary is provided. The reader should be aware, though, that the word "bay", which does turn up rather often in describing Orient houses, refers to a portion of the facade containing a window or a door. Oysterponds Historical Society is sometimes abbreviated to OHS, to save space. Many references will be found to Augustus Griffin's Journal, published in Orient in 1857, and to some still unpublished volumes of his diaries. The Chace and Beers maps, also mentioned frequently, are reproduced on page 1. Originally this small in size, they are not easy to read, but they afford some interesting comparisons with the present-day map on page vi. Picture-taking started early in 1976, in order to show details that would later be obscured by vegetation. This accounts for the wintry atmosphere of some of the photos-and the absence of the shrubbery and foliage which gives Orient's tree-lined streets so much of their charm most of the year. Outside of the Historic District there is a lot more to the community of Orient, much of it as picturesque as the village itself. Some of the significant structures and historic sites outside of the village proper are shown on the historical map at page 38. As you see, to describe this book and how it works was not a simple matter. Neither was putting it together-something I could not have accomplished without the invaluable help of Ethel Bentz on each and every structure; without Dick Keogh's compilation of Orient history for the Historic District applica- tion and the loan of his fine collection of other books of this sort; without Norman Dietz's and Flavia Grebinar's work on the street map; without Peg Stephenson's expertise on typo- graphy; and without my wife Wiila's patient typing, and re- typing, and proof-reading, accompanied by many valuable insights of her own. Last but not least, Scott Harris's craftsmanship and genial cooperation in producing such a large number of exacting photographs on a tight schedule made it possible for us to wind up with what we all hoped for a picture book which would come somewhere near doing justice to this delight- ful village of ours. Kenneth Godfrey June, 1976 WEBB HOUSE (above) is a privately owned, fully-furnished "house museum", open to the public at the same time as fl~e OHS buildings on the east side of Village Lane. Moved here in 1955 from its second location in Greenport, it was placed with the front facing Poquatuck Park (see below). It is reached from the other museum buildings by a hedge- lined walk which curves around to the l¥ont of the house. Augustus Griffin's Journal tells of Colonel George Wash- ington - during a stop at Greenport on his way to Boston in 1757 - visiting the tap room of this house, then called Constant Booth's Inn. Later the inn becmne known as the Orange Webb House. A separate brochure available in the Webb House recounts the building's notable history and describes its authentic furnishings. POQUATUCK PARK (above) is a 4-acre tract of greensward acquired by a small group of Orient citizens and presented to the Oysterponds Historical Society in 1955. "Poqua- tuck" was the Indian name for the whole area now called Orient, formerly called Oysterponds. As can be seen, the impressive facade of Webb House overlooks the park. Un- til 1898, /he southwest corner of the park was occupied by an English-style windmill built in 1810. Its lofty struc- ture is seen in various sketches and old photographs of Orient. The same site had already been occupied for 50 years by a mill built in 1760 by Amon Tabor, Sr., a mas- ter carpenter of great renown in Southold Town. The 1810 windmill was moved to Glen Island Amusement Park, where it binned to the ground sometime after 1910. MUSEUM AREA Village Lane THE MUSEUM AREA, as it might be called, is a logical starting place for any contemplation of the Orient His- toric District, whether it be by walking tour, or by just perusing the pages of this book. The museum buildings happen to be located at the geographic center of the His- toric District, about midway between the Main Road and the harbor, and near where the two most central east-west streets join Village Lane. Think of this text as being the middle of Village Lane, looking north, and the pictures will be seen to correspond with the locations of museum build- ings on either side of the street. This pattern applies through- out the book: pictures are positioned in relation to each other in approximately the same relation as the buildings themselves, VILLAGE HOUSE (3a) is the headquarters and principal museum of the Oysterponds Historical Society (OHS). Aug- ustus Griffin, Orient's early historian, lived here during most of his mature years (he died in 1866, aged 90), operating a tavern which was a stop on the Long Island stage line. He also taught school and kept a store. This was Griffin's second house, built about 1799. It was of quite modest dimensions, so in 1807 Griffin added 11 feet for a bed- room and in 1832 he put on a second story. In 1853 the bouse was sold to Samuel Gilson Vail, who continued to operate it as an inn. In the 1870's tire building was en- larged upstairs and dowrl, and acquired its present graceful proportions and picturesque ornamentations. Village House remained in the Vail family until its purchase in 1944 by the OHS as a museum for displaying the Society's most precious and most perishable possessions. THE HALLOCK BUILDING (3b) was acquired by OHS m~d moved to its present site behind Village House in 1960. Originally a cook house built in 1891 for workers at the big Hallock Farm operation, it consisted of a kitchen, pan- try, and dirilng room on the first floor, and a dormitory on the second. The structure was considerably restored by OHS and now contains exhibits of agricultural and artisans' tools, with maritime antiquities on the first floor. "OLD POINT", sometimes called "Down Neck" School House (3c) affords the visitor a rare opportunity to see what a one*room school house actually looked like. This one was built in 1888 about a mile from the tip of Orient Point. Closed in 1930, for lack of students, it lost its cu- pola in the great hurricane of 1938 and for many years the school bell, which was especially cast for this building, could not be found. It was finally traced and restored to its original belfry in 1949 when OHS acquired the building as a gffi from Edwin King and moved it to this location where, for the first time, it was given a full cellar, in which a handsome pine-panelled room provides a meeting place for OHS activities. The upper floor is fitted out as a school room and houses several collections and Orient memora- bilia. The monument and flagpole on the lawn in front of the Schoolhouse were erected in 1945 as reminders that the Village House museum had been dedicated by the spon- sors of OHS to tbe veterans ol' World War Il. 2 "THE AMANDA BROWN SCHOOL HOUSE" (3d) was moved here in 1971 from the grounds of the Orient Point Inn where it had been since 1939. Originally it was a wing on a house occupied by the three Misses Brown near the "upstreet ceme- tery'' (12b). In 1862 the three ladies started a private school in their home. Amanda Brown was the teacher. Later the main house to which the school was joined was removed and this remaining wing section served as a tea room and gift shop. OHS now uses it for the teaching of handicrafts. "THE LITTLE RED BARN" (3e) is the present name for this structure. It was originally a grain market down near the wharf (26d). Later it was used as a seine house for the repairing and storing of fish nets. Upon being moved to the museum grounds half of the building was made into a replica of the typical general store operated during the late 1800s by George V. Terry at the site of the present Country' Store (6c). The other half ot' the building is devoted to a collection of old Orient horse-drawn vehicles and trappings. "shinbone alley" (30 is operated by OHS as a consignment antique shop during the months when the museum is open to the public. The building is a late 19th century structure which served as a residence until it was taken over by the Society in 1972. (Captain Samuel Vail was the last occu- pant of this house.) Located at the curve which joins Fletcl~er and Vincent Streets, it is a neighbor to the houses on page 35. 3f 4b VILLAGE LANE West side POQUATUCK HALL is pictured here even though its back is turned to Village Lane and its main entrance is around the corner on Skippers Lane. For many years it was the headquarters of tiw Junior Order of United Americm~ Mechanics mid was called ~Mechanics Hall". In 1963, the property was takan over by Orient Community Activities, a non-profit membership organization open to all residents of the community. OCA now maintains the building as a place for performances (it has a stage), dinners (it has a kitchen), meetings and other activities of public interest fm young and old. A more detailed history of the building can be seen at (c) on page 16. In the late 19th century the front of this building served as the Orient Post Office while the second floor was used as a Court Room and place for political meetings. Later it was bought by a local barber, who had his shop in the front, and lived in the back. In the World War I era steps ran the width of the building and two large windows gave it a store front appearance. Father of the present owner converted th building into a residence which be then occupied for 40 years. The porch was added during this time. The simple, unembellished lines of the original structure are characteris- tic of many Orient buildings from earlier periods. 4c Quite likely an 18th Century house. Windows with 9 over ~ sashes are characteristic of colonial days when glass came o~ in small pieces. Inside, a hugh chimney base, wide floor bo: a boxed stairway leading from the kitchen to an unfinished attic, and fireplace mantels and cupboards of early design ~ further evidence of age. Since there are two cellars, the hot may have been expanded from an earlier structure on this site. In any case, momentarily disregarding the two dormen and the porch reveals a typical Orient story-and-a-half hous with five bays instead of the more common three bays~ Th~ proportions of a five bay house-with a room on each side of the entrance make for an appreciably larger structure titan the three bay type 4d Probably built by Captain Frederick King who died in 182~ Beams are hand*hewn of solid oak. John Brown Youug bought the house in 1853 and added the north wing which was used as a general store until the 1920s. For some years the store area was rented to Courtland and Ambrose King, who added a meat market. Mrs. Young used the south win~ as a "yeast rotan" and sold the yeast in the store. Delft til which ornamented one of the original mantel pieces have b~ removed and are on display in the Village ltouse Museum directly across the street, along with other memorabilia fro~ this house which is still occupied by direct descendants of John Brown Young. VILLAGE LANE East side This church-one of the oldest United Methodist Churches in New York State--was built in 1836, a few years beI~re the Congregational Church put up its third meeting house. Land at this site was donated by Thomas Vincent Young, a descendant of one of the original Orient families. Accord- lng to Griffin's journal the corner stone was laid on June 3, !836. Methodism had come to Orient earlier: classes and services were conducted in various homes (see 25a) by cir- cuit riding preachers as early as 1802. The property around the church location was largely occupied by Methodist fami- lies and because of outdoor meetings, it was sometimes called "Alleluia Park". 5a As a corner house, this building makes a nice appearance from both Village Lane and Orchard Street. Old, wavy glass in window panes throughout the house is in contrast with the cross-gable design and decorative shingles which suggest more recent construction or remodeling. A house appears on this site on the Chace map of 1858: it may have been an older house or the present structure may be made up io part from an older house. The back porch is a flirly recent addition. Early residents at this location are unknown except for W. H. Wilcox and Mrs. Esther Tuthill whose names are shown on the 1858 map and the 1873 Beers map respectively. 5b One of the most decorative private houses on Village Lane, built in 1862 by Captain George R. Vail, whose descendants have occupied it ever since. A new dining room and kitchen were added on the north side in 1875, but other than that the only changes have been removal of various chimneys, since the house was originally heated by seven stoves and one big hearth. The fence is at least I00 years old, and the cupola and ornamental woodwork of the porch are charac- teristic of the period. Captain Vail, who was born in 1832, was himself an expert builder, having learned ship carpentry in Connecticut. On returning to Orient with his bride, he captained his own sloop, fishing the waters off' Montauk. 5c Known as "Village House" since the days when Augustus Griffin, Orient's historian and teacher, who was bom in 1766, operated an inn at this location as a stop on the stage line which ran the length of Long Island. Here Griffin wrote the voluminous "Griffin's Journal" which he published in Ns 91st year, based on diaries which be had kept from his youth. The original Village House, on a tnuch smaller scale, was built by Griffin in 17980. The building was greatly 5d expanded in later years and since 1944 has been the bead- quarters of the Oysterponds ttistotical Society. Among other treasures, Village House Museum contains marly memorabil- ia of Augustus Griffin including a chair, sonic original manu- scripts, a portrait, silk earmuffs, and a high beaver hat. See also pages 2 and 3. 5 Ga VILLAGE LANE West Side The 1858 Chace map shows a house on this site, but no earlier information has been uncovered. The main block is a choice example of what some people call a "Cape Cod" house-a three-bay story-and-a-half type which was the prevailing style in Orient for many years. It was a vernac- ular architecture, suitable for modest farmhouses, built of readily available materials. The two wings on the south sid may or may not have been later additions; this may also be true of the Federal style door with side lights. The custom ary picket fence has been retained. When ice cream becam~ a fad, this is one of the houses at which Mrs. Lena Young sold her home-made varieties until the ice cream parlor called "Folly" opened down the street in 1912. 6b Early 19th century architecture is evidenced throughout this house: hand-hewn beams and coursed rubble founda- tion (small irregular stones set more or less in layers); ana mw, steep staircase with 8-inch risers and treads only 2-fee wide; wide rm~dom with original iron lift-latches; possibly a "borning room". From outside, the ground floor resembles the 3-bay story- and-a-half design but there is a second story-even though the ceilings in both instances are very low, barely seven feet. The hip roof also distinguishes the exterior from the familiar Cape Cod style. 6c COUNTRY STORE, which was remodelled in 1963, is a building rich in Orient history. Sometime after t850 two buildings were joined together on this site; the larger, two- story section was originally built as a private academy kno as the Marvin Holmes School (Marvin Holmes lived in the Greek Revival house directly across the street). In the sma rear part of the structure the 1963 remodelling uncovered post office records dating back to the early 1800s and ac- count books computed in pounds and shillings. These are now at the Oysterponds Historical Society. The 1858 Chat map shows the post office still at this location; the 1873 Beers map shows Marvin Holmes and his son operating a business here, and we know they sold lumber, coal, lime, cement, brick, netting and twine. 6d The 1858 and 1873 maps show a house on this corner of Village Lane and Skippers Lane but the construction date has not been determined. The square plan and flat roof suggest Federal style or influence, though the front door and porch might be called Greek Revival. The vertical board and batten facade under the full length of the porci and the shingle siding elsewhere are characteristic of neith Federal nor Greek Revival styles. In any event, the shingle sides and white trim harmonize nicely witli Poquatuck Ha on the opposite corner of Skippers Lane (see 4a and 16c) The store wing, attached to the north side of the house, ~, operated as a barber shop until 1969. 6 VILLAGE LANE East Side "Hadden Farm" is the name long attached to this liouse, though it appears that the property was originally farmed by Captain King, whose daughter Phoebe later married a Dr. Alexander Hadden and eventually lived in New York. There 7a is still extensive vacant land behind the house, once part of the original farm. The house is an especially well preserved and restored example of the early 19th century 3-bay story- and-a-half farmhouse. The original central chimney was re- moved years ago and at some point a decorative front door with side lights was installed. The rear extension appears to have been divided into a winter kitchen and a summer kitch- en; the decorative cornice is distinctive, as are the 6 over 9 windows, not many of which have survived. This little house, set back from the road, was built some time before 1870 by Marvin Holmes for his son. Mr. Holmes lived in the large Greek Revival house in front and to the south. Father and son were in business together across the street in what is now "The Country Store" (see opposite). H. Alexander Holmes, the son, moved to a house which he built on State Street now called Skippers Lane in 1876 (see 16a). 7b This stunning Greek Revival house was designed and built in 1845 by Marvin Holmes to replace an earlier house which he had bought in 1833, eight years after coming here from Connecticut. He operated a variety of businesses, including a school, across the street at 6c. The house was occupied by descendants of Marvin Holmes until the death of George Vail in 1974. A back kitchen was added in 1890, but the lhcade of the house-completely symmetrical except for the off-center front door-remained unaltered. Since 1974, new owners have restored the structure inside and out, authen- tically preserving all of its unique features. This is one of the handful of Orient's "grand houses". It was created for one of the Racketts by Ezra Young, also designed and built the Mansard-style house on Main Road (see page 13c). Ezra's son, James Henry Young, who was also an architect and builder, bought tliis house in 1869. In later years the liouse served as a millinery shop, a gift shop, and a tea room, called "The Maples". In the 1890s the one-story north wing was added fi.~r the use of the village doctor. The highly ornamental porch was added about tlie same time, and the stone retaining wall in the 1920s. Elegant woodwork inside the house is high-lighted by a curved staircase. This house was served by a numhe~ of back extensions and outbuildings, including a windmill, supports fol whicli can still be seen. 7 7d ga VILLAGE LANE West Side The Chace Map of t858 shows a house on this site occupie, by a "Mrs. Beebe". Sometime after 1873 the }louse may ha' been removed or extensively repaired by Captain Joseph Potter, whose father-also a seafaring man-owned the hous~ next door to the south. There is a degree of similarity be- tween the two structures; they may have been built over older houses at about the same time. The decorative shingle round-arched window in the front gable, and unusually higl ceilings are characteristic of houses built after 1880. An 18! photograph shows this house with shutters throughout aud with an entrance portico only, not a three-bay porch. 8b While similar in age to the house above, this structure is distinguished by some touches of Greek Revival design in the architrave of the main or front parlor doorway, and als{ in the doorway on the southern wing. Without probing dee1 ly into the structure, there is no way of knowing how mud of any earlier house may have been incorporated either hen or in the house next door to the north. A stone foundation dirt floor, and hand-hewn beams visible in the cellar are evi. dence of workmanship earlier than that which appears abov ground. 8c "The Little Red House" was built in 1843 by Ephraim King for his bride from New York, where he was a produce merchant. His brother, Captain Absalom King lived across fire street at what later came to be known as the Hadden Farm (7a). In the early 1950s The Little Red House, which had always been kept that color, was bought by George R. Latham, who restored it meticulously using authentic mate- dais inside and out (the dormers had been added in 1940). The grey picket fence meets a covenant of the original land sale: E. King and his heirs "shall at all times hereafter keep up and support a good fence" (against the lands of the former owners) and "no fowl shall be kept on the hereby premises". An old well is still operable with rope and buckeL 8d Oral tradition states that there was a small house on this site in the early 1890s, that the property was bought by Charles Havens (1850-t919), a noted carpenter who had done some of the renovation work on the Little Red and the Hadden Farm houses. Mr. Havens built this house as it stands today, possibly incorporating an earlier structure. A the turn of the century it was known as "C. B. Havens' place". From the outside, it now is appealing as all eclecti~ combination of various design elements, such as the panels of decorative shingles and the then-fashionable tower over the southeast comer. VILLAGE LANE East Side The small scale of this house is immediately ooticeable. There's a reason: it was built for a family of "little people" who were generally referred to as "the Tuthi[l dwarfs". like dwarfs, they were not deformed, as can be seen by pic- tures in the Oysterponds Historical Society, and they should more appropriately have been called midgets--perfectly formed people on a very small scale. There are some exceptionally small, narrow windows throughout tlie house. One door is barely 5¥eet high, and the original kitchen fireplace was clearly designed for little people. The house was built some time after 1868 by Rufus Tuthill for the three sisters (out of seven children) who grew up to be midgets-Cynthia, Lucretia, and Asenath. Their house has hand-hewn beams with wooden pegs and iron nails, and wide bqard nailers under the new roof-indicators which suggest some years' difference between the construction of this house and the one immediately below. The last of the sisters died before the turn of the century. In 1906-7 a section from the old Thomas Poole house (see page 36a) was moved here and added on the back as a kitchen. While not designed on a small scale, this house also was occupied by "little people" of the same family-Emma and Addison Tuthill, niece and nephew ot' the three sisters in fl~e house above. Cynthia and Lucretia had bought this prop- erty from Priscilla Terry in 1861. The house has lighter framing members than the little house next door and it may represent an early use of sawn lumber for framing. 9b From the front, the houses which served as homes for the two generations of midgets look much the same today as they did when the little people were in residence. The elder Tuthill sisters were fine seamstresses, who fitted their normal- sized customers by standing on chairs. They taught their skills to their niece, Emma, who even fashioned gloves, as can be seen in the special room at the Oysterponds Historical Soci- ety devoted exclusively to pictures and other memorabilia of the "Orient dwarfs", including Addison, who was reputed to be even smaller than Tom Thumb, but who declined P. T. Barnum's invitation to join his circus because he was shy and did not wish to be exposed to exploitation. Emma lived from 1838 to 1882-Addison from 1840 to 1896. They were quite as long lived as their aunts. The portrait at the right is characteristic of the photographic style of the 1880's. 9c lOa VILLAGE LANE West Side A structure at this point is recorded on the 1858 Chace m Nothing has come to light as to who built it or when, but fieldstone walls and dirt floor in the cellar, an enclosed sta way at the front door, a kitchen hearth with crane for con pots, and wide floorboards upstairs remain as evidence of early 19th century design and building materials. The porc and bay window were later additions and the asbestos shingles are recent. It appears that this house started life essentially as a five-bay story-and-a-half type, with central chimney in contrast with the three bay houses with chimn at only one end. Reputed to have been one of the first school houses in Orient, in the early 180Os. Large, unfinished log used in supporting beam for the lower floor, hand-hewn beams wi wooden pegs, and hand-made nails are evidence of late 18t or early 19th century construction. Earliest recorded owm was Francis R. Young, a blacksmith and justice of the pea who lived in the house next door to the south. He sold th house in 1856 to John Beilar, a carpenter from Gerinany. In 1932 the house was extensively remodelled in accordan with plans drawn up by Herbert M. Hale who designed th~ Orient map on page 38. At that time the roof was raised, the door was relocated and modern asbestos shingles were applied over original clapboards. 10c The 1850 census confirms that Francis R. Young, a black- smith, occupied a house on this site, and to all outward appearances the present house could very well have been there before 1850. The basic design is similar to tbat of several nearby houses though the roof appears to have bee 'raised at some period, and the shed dormers may have bee added at that time, along with the comice brackets. There is a central chimney and the door has sidelights, which may have been a later renovation. The blacksmith shop originally located north of the house is now an outbuildinl in back of (18c) on Skippers Lane. I Od This house may, in some respects, look more venerable no than it did 100 years ago. Ornamental cornice brackets an dentils under the eaves of the wing were removed some ti~ after 1904, and a major remodelling took place in 1964. disclosed construction details which suggest that this may have been one of the earliest houses in the area. The 185C census reports a Captain John A. Rackett and his family living at this location. At the same time the family of Day G. Beebe, a seaman, apparently occupied the north wing. Internal evidence confirms that the wing contained cook- hag facilities and sleeping quarters sufficient for the Beebe family of four. By 1860 John Rackett's family were the sole occupants of the whole house. 10 Mill Or'¢Rar'd VILLAGE LANE East Side Despite the 1920s appearance of the porch, the portico, the asbestos shingles, and the modern windows, this house proves to be structurally very old. Hand-hewn timbers held together with wooden pegs and a board-and-batten door at the foot of a boxed stairway in the kitchen, with narrow steps and very high risers, are characteristic of early 19th century architecture and building practices. Captain Marcus Brown, who lived here until his death in 1858, brought home a copper beech sapling on one of his voyages to England. This is now a hugh tree, over I00 years old, and when it and the weeping beech and tulip trees which distin- guish this residence are in full leaf, the house is almost com- pletely concealed. When the trees surrounding the above house are in full foliage, the cover-up is so impenetrable that it seemed ad- visable to provide a view of the property during the grow- lng season, lest some visitor passing by in the summer be misled into thinking the house had disappeared! lla lib All evidence points to this as being one of the very oldest houses in the village. Framing is secured by wooden pegs; wood is too hard for nails. Cellar is reached by trapdoor from one of the bedrooms. Floor boards are wide and ex- tremely hard. There are two original kitchens and two pantries, one with a wooden sink. A hand pump which ~rved both kitchens is still in workh~g order. Apparently at two periods this house was occupied by two families. The earliest available map shows a house on this sight in 1838 with no indication as to ownership. A Thmnas Rockwell bought the house in 1871 for $550; it has had a number of owners since, who have maintained the adorned plainness of its original construction. llc Presenting a marked contrast to nearby houses, this two- story flat rooted structure is known to bave had a full- length, highly ornamental porch until at least 1904. Since then, windows have been changed from 4 over 4 to 6 over 6 and the portico and transom light over the door may have been added. There was a house on this site in 1858 belong* lng to Captain William G. Corwim a seaman and fisherman, but in view of the architecture of nearby houses, il seems doubtful that this two-story elaborately ornamented struc- ture dates back that far, tlrough it may be the result of remodelling of an earlier house on the same gronnd plan. lld I1 MAIN ROAD South Side 12a This Civil War monument, where Village Lane joins the Mai Road, was designed by James Henry Young, a carpenter am builder by profession, who occupied the house on Village Lane (7d) built by his father. Originally erected on "Peter's Hill'-a high spot to the northwest overlooking Long Island Sound-the monument was moved to its present location in 1906 and rededicated, with appropriate ceremony and honor, to the Civil War dead and the six then-surviving men bets of the Union Army. The locality pictured on these pages is rich in history. The Civil War monument now marks the junction of Village Lane and the Main Road, which in the 18th century was known as the King's Highway. After 1674, the British held permanent sway over the five Dutch towns in western Suffolk County, and by 1704 surveyors were at work laying out the right of wag for a road the length of Long Island, starting in Brooklyn. Various branches were included in the surveys, all laid out and "to be and continue forever". The road was to be four rods wide, an ambitious onder- taking when most roads were narrow tracks called "Doctor's Path", "Truman's PatlC', "Major's Path"-names which survive even on today's maps. Most travel in the early 18th century was by horseback, and a right of way 66 feet wide was thought of by some owners as confiscation of their land for no foreseeabte purpose. [] AugustusGriffio's Journal says the pathway leading from the main road at this point down to the harbor, was originally part of the lands of Gideon Youngs and his heirs "until about the year 1691, at which time it was made a two-pole way (33 feet) and that width was sold to the town for an open road to the shore termination at the Iow water mark, where the wharf now is" (and still is). The price was somewhere between $1.25 and $2.50. Griffin contrasts this with an episode nearly 150 years later: "About the year 1848, it was with much difficulty, added to its width four feet on each side. This difficulty was occasioned by two or three men who owned land adjoining, and who would sacrifice the convenience of a whole district to gratify an avarice as sordid as it was selfish." The extra eight feet may account for the fact that the houses on Village Lane are closer to the street than one might expect them to be. [] Griffin describes Village Lane in the early days as "for about one-fourth of a mile it was all woods and much of it heavy oak and hickory timber. Through this forest of trees was a path or lane leading from the said main highway to the water- side where the wharf now is". He sa~,s Esther Tuthill told him that when she was a girl, around 1757, she often "walked down and up this path when the leaves were near ankle deep having fallen by the winds and frosts of au- tumn". Griffin never mentions streets by name. "Village Lane" as a capitalized name is a fairly recent appelation. On the 1873 Beers map the street was called "Bay Avenue". Apparently every hamlet on the south side of the North Fork had its "Bay Avenue", and it was customarily a street that led frmn the main road down to the bay. Sometime since 1873, Orient transferred the name of Bay Avenue to a street running west from Village Lane along the water- front. There were times when Village Lane was designated as Main Street. Village Lane was not paved until after ,World War I. Earlier on, they migbt have made it a yellow brick road-the kind immortalized in "The Wizard of Oz" but in the second decade of the 20th century, concrete technology replaced brick as a highway material for the oncoming automobile age. As a consequence, underneath the present blacktop Village Lane has a solid concrete foundation. Sidewalks were put in after the invention of the rotlerskate, but there is no explanation for the odd fact that the walk on the east side does not come up this far; it stops in front of the Methodist Church. 12b Called the "Upstreet Cemetery", this is the second oldest burying ground in Orient. There are three others, all lo- cated outside the Historic District. This cemetery belongs to the Congregational Church (see opposite). Griffin's Journal says the first gravestone was put in place in 1790. Ail early grave markers, of brownstone and limestone, have weathered to total illegibility or close to it. One stone touchingly commemorates four brothers, aged 14 to 24, who were all lost in a gale at sea in 1825. Visitors have long been puzzled by another inscription, on the headstone of Margaret Griffin (1811-1860), wife of Sidney L. Griffin. It reads: "Who am I? My husbm~d. What is my name? Sidney". 12 MAIN ROAD North Side This is the oldest existant landmark in the Orient Historic District. The Buttonwood Tree-platanus oxidentalis, or American sycamore-certainly took root here in colonial times. When Youngs Road, leading to Long Island Sound, was laid out in 1910, it was decreed that the right-of-way divide around the great buttonwood tree, leaving it un- disturbed. In 1972 it was discovered that the tree was ailing and likely to die unless extensive surgery was per- £ormed. Appeals for help in the OHS Newsletter and publicity in "The Suffolk Times" which was picked up by other newspapers brought spontaneous contributions to pay £or work which has saved the tree. A long-accepted oral tradition has it that the citizens of Oysterponds, as Orient was then called, met under this tree and pledged loyalty to the patriot cause after independence was declared. Recent research by the Long Island Historical Society on the growth rings of the tree suggests that it may have been only a sapling 200 years ago, but tradition had already been enshrined in a bronze plaque proclaiming that the tree was planted by early settlers and stood here July 4, 1776. The Mansard style of architecture is rare in Orient, thongh it was widely popular elsewhere on the North Fork. This t3b superb three-story example was built about 1858 for Lewis A. Edwards by Ezra Young, who also built the "grand house" on Village Lane (7d). Similarities in design treatment may be observed. There apparently have been no significant alter- ations in the outside appearance of this house, which for a time, was known and operated as "Buttonwood Inn" and later-in the 1930s-served as a tea room. It is now sur- rounded by a dense ten-foot hedge. The site which this Congregational Church occupies was bought in 1700 for $1.25. The earliest meeting house was built in 1718 and its appurtenances included the village stocks and whipping post, which it is said were sparingly used. In 1735 the paristtioners were designated as a Con- gregationai Church, the oldest church society of this denomination in New York State. The original building needed replacement after 90 years, and a second after 35, so in 1843 the congregation contracted for its third meeting house. The job was given to one Joseph Lamb, described as a "master builder", who created the grace- ful structure still in use. The steeple had to be replaced after the 1938 hurricane, and when this was box was placed in it containing churcl~ records since 1868. The shingled rectory was built in the 20th century. 13c 14a MAIN ROAD South Side Built before 1858 and located in "Hallelujah Park" north o the Methodist Church on Village Lane, this house was move to its present location around 1905. The partial hip-roof treatment at the end of both main and dormer gables can also be seen as a design element in later houses at (22b and c). The expansive veranda shows in an early photograpI of the house at its present site. At its original site the hous~ must have sat on a higher foundation to make possible a most unusual feature-a downstairs kitchen from which servants brought food up to the dining area on the first floor. An old cobblestone well has been preserved on the northwest corner of the present property. From this point looking west, one can see that tbe King's Highway surveyors bad very little choice about where to run their road. We know from Gfiffin's Journal that a road existed here, along which tbe first six settlers built their houses, apparently all on the north side. From the lay of the land it seems reasonable to assume that the present Route 25-called simply Main Road ever since the Revolotion is very closely in the track of the old country road and the King's Highway which could not help but follow it. Not until 1818 was this road acquired, once and for all. as property of the Town of Southold. Commissioners Daniel and Joseph Terry and Elisha Mtdford were responsible for purchasing tile rights from individuals who were doing the maintenance work on various sections and charging tolls for the use of their portions. [] However it was maintained and whatever tolls were charged, Griffin's Jour- nal says that about 1755 "Dr. Benjamin Franklin passed through this island, from Brooklyn, to Southold Harbor, and in a carriage of his own construction. It was so contrived, with clock work or machinery of peculiar make, that a bell would be struck at the termination of every twenty rods. By this means, the Doctor measured the distance accurately--his object, no doubt, being to ascertain the length of the island; and it seems a little strange that he did not proceed to the end. He stopped at the inn of my grandfather. Samnel GrilTin, at tile Harbor, and who took him, the following day, across the Sound to New London. The Doctor was on his way to Boston to visit his widowed mother." [] It is regrettable that Dr. Franklin never got to see Orient, but his journey proves that the King's High- way was passable by carriage as far as Southold, and probably was equally good the rest of the way. So travel the length of the Island was something that could be accomplished by wheeled vehicles well over 200 years ago. It is interesting, though, that until after the Revolution, Long Island had no integrated postal services. Overton's "Long Island Story" says that mail for Brooki~/n, Queens, and Nassau Counties was delivered from New York, while people in Suffolk County got their mail ferried over from New London, and goes oil to say that during the Revolutioa, Scotchman, named Dunbar, rode once in two weeks through the Island with tile mail. Duobar was not a public official but undertook the work as a private enterprise, and people must have loved Ifim for it in those trying days. His route was east by the north shore and return by the south. 'File day on which he was due any place was called 'post day'. In addition to the few letters and news papers a week old, he brought all the news of the road over which he had travelled." At'this point in the road Dunbar might possibly have seen General Wooster's troops parading. Augustus Griffin remembers that spectacle, but was too young to bare taken note of"post day". FI Tbere was a time when going east from here was a memorable experience: a writer named R. R. Wilsou who visited Orient in 1900 said: "This road is shaded almost continuously with patriarcbal cherry trees, so that in May a snow storm seems always to be travelling just ahead of you, so white are the masses of tree tops on either side, and a ride along it is an experience to be remembered for a lifetime." (Where are the snows of yesteryear'?) 14b Here we have late 19th, early 20th century outward appear- ances covering up an old house that has been extensively, if not almost completely, rebuilt since the first structure indicated on this site in 1860, at which time it was occu- pied by two seafaring men and their families-Captain Willia~ Hubbard, and David Edwards, a fishermam The house was still occupied by David Edwards in 1873. The building appears to have been remodelled before the turn of the century, virtually enveloping the older house. 14 MAIN ROAD North Side The house shown on this site in 1858 was built by Captain Elisha Sherry Rackett, born in 1811, one of three brothers of whom Augustus Griffin's Journal says: "These are ail valuable members of society and stand fair as masters of fine vessels". At one time an ornamental porch extended across the main house as well as the wing. Evidences of mid-19th century workmanship remain in the wide floor boards with wooden pegs and 9-over-6 windows on the first floor. The house stands as a gratifying example of dedicated preservation and restoration. t5a The handsome style of this house was built into it in the middle 1800s, and may have influenced the design of the large building immediately below. This house is the out- growth of a structure described in Griffin's Journai as "a low double house" (later) "e~arged and raised to that of a 2-story..." It was built in 1790 on the site of a 1646 house which was one of the five very first houses in all of Orient. Griff'm remembers seeing Gen. David Wooster's troops-who came over from Connecticut to train in Orient-parading near here in 1775. 15b Tiffs imposing structure was built in the mid-19th century for Edwin Peter Brown, a whaier, captain of his own ship at age 21, who made numerous voyages around Cape Horn and up to the Bering Straits, circumnavigating the world four times, His wife sometimes accompanied him and the ship's logs which both kept are preserved in the OHS. At home, their 10 children made this house a lively, social place. The growing family accounted for the third-floor, which Capt. Brown added when things got crowded. Orig- finaily, this house boasted a thirty foot dining room with black walnut flooring. The style might be described as an eclectic combination of Federal and Greek Revival ele- ments, not unlike the structure pictured immediately above. 15c "The Petty Homestead" was named for the family which bought it in 1828, at which time it was reputed to be over 100 years old. According to one interpretation of Griffin's Journal, it was built in 1716; by another calculation with Griffin's figures, the house could have been built as late as 1732. Oak slabs and other materials exposed in recent interior remodelling identify this as a very old house. It remained unchanged until 1919 when dormers and porches mid the bay window were added. The gambrel roof is usual in Orient. 15d 15 FROM FORMALITY TO FAMILIARITY .... At all the corners of tbis street, tile signs read "Skippers Lane", but when it was laid out in 1869 tile street was given the no-nonsense, unimaginative, stodgy name of "State Street'*. This is the way it appears on tile Beers Map four years later, but Orienters have had a penchant for changing their minds about names. Some time in the kate 1920s or early 30s. it was decided to give this street a more appealing name. hrspired by the fact that the early residents bad predomi- nently beeu masters of their own sbips, it was agreed tbat tile street sbould be renamed in their bonor notas"Captains Lane" or "Shipmasters Row" but by the less formal, more democratic, aod certainly more colorful name of "Skippers Lane". It was probably the same spirit that motivated changing stuffy-sounding Bay Avenue back to Village Lane. SKIPPERS LANE South Side 16a The wealth of elegant details in this house doubtless repre- sent the taste of a successful business man of 1876 when this house was built for H. Alexander Holmes. It has hardwood floors, a big kitchen, and a dining room-features which were beginning to be incorporated into substantial houses as national prosperity increased after the Civil War. Note the curious "doortess porch" on the northwest corner, the cruciform floor plan, the exuberant use of ommnentation at each gable, and the interesting entablature over the win- dows. Of course, Alexander Holmes and his father had long been in the designing and construction business, (see 7c). 16b Originally this was the house of one of the skippers, Captain George Kimball Rackett, who is shown as living here at the time of the 1873 Beers map. Probably built after the mid-1860s, this house was evidently designed to be heated entirely by stoves, since there are no fireplaces or decorative mantles over closed-up fireplaces. The interior woodwork is simple and except for the "Gothic sash" win- dows on the second floor, and a decorative side porch, the house has little ornamentation. Oral tradition has it that the round-headed windows were originally in the Orient Point Inn. The house is distinguished by its simplicity and ab- sence of identifiable style influences. 16c POQUATUCK HALL. In February 1874 a group of promi- nent citizens raised $2075 and formed a stock company called the Poquatuck Hall Association for the purpose of constructing a suitable meeting place for residents of the village-a sort of unofficial Town Hall. Shortly thereafter, for advantageous legal reasons, the name was registered as "Poquatuck Lyceum Association" and so it remained for 89 years. Some of the founders names appear elsewhere in this book: Lewis A. Edwards, Isaac B. Edwards, John B. and James H. Young, C. B. King, and Etisha Rackett. James H. Young contracted to erect the building for $2900. It was opened in November 1874 and has had much and varied use ever since, at modest rental fees. For further details see (a) on page 4. 16 SKIPPERS LANE North Side One of the three first houses on this street, all built by sea captains. Capt. M. Daniels had this house built and his name first appears on the 1873 Beers map. Hand-hewn beams and wide floor boards were still standard materials in those days. 17a Tile front porcl~ was added around 1900; without it, the house was a demonstration of the lingering influence of the Federal style. In this example, the flat roof was embellished with a graceful 6-sided cupola which could have viewed the comings and goings of Capt. Daniels' "Sea Dame". The linden tree on the property was tull grown when the house was built. Oysterponds Lane later made this a corner house. This house and its next-door neighbor, pictured beiow, show how two buildings constructed from the same plan can grow to look quite different over the years. This one was built by Capt. Warren R. Beebe on land bought during the Civil War. Warren Beebe also built the house next door for another ship captain, his brother Leander V. Beebe. The houses have had mm~y owners and for a time, alter ice cream became popular, tile la,'ge front porch of this house was used as an ice cream parlor. The cellar was exteusively repaired in 1915. 17b Not quite so much remodelling has been done to this house. It still has the coursed rubble foundation, which apparently gave way next door after some 50 years. Traces of a summer kitchen are still in evidence and the interior hardware is in keeping with the age of the house. With its twin above, this house reflects the kind of space and comfort ship's [nasters provided for themselves and their famihes ashore. 17c This picture is repeated fi'om 6d because, while it faces on Village Lane, as the corner house on Skipper's Lane it con- tributes to the character of this short, tree-liued street, which including a newer }louse at the far west end- affurds the only genuine vista in the Historic District. 17d 17 O11 some old maps State Street is shown as turning the corner and continuing down to the harbor where it met Water Street. At one time it was possible to drive around, along the waterfront, and return to Village Lane that way. Because of a breach in the sea wall, this is no longer possible, and-more of the name changing proclivity-the L running down from Skippers Lane at the western end is now called Harbor River Road. When the Skippers Lane name was being made official, it was probably thought that State Street would sound a little highfalutin for the residual stub of road ending at a bulkhead. Since there is a tidal creek near the toot of the road, "Harbor River" may have seemed like an appropriate name. Earlier on it might have been called "Windmill Lane", but the windmill was gone by 1898. Harbor River Road borders Poquatuck Park, through which a paved walk leads east to Webb Honse (2a). SKIPPERS LANE South Side 18a A late 19th century house at one time occupied by a Capt~ David Edwards, in keeping witl~ the seafaring character of the neighborhood. Except for asbestos shingles over the ori- ginal clapboards and other surface renovations, the house appears much as it did in a 1906 photograph. 18b One of Orient's most treasured architectural gems, this house is older than the street. It was built around 1850 by James Henry Young and moved here about 1885 from a site just north of the Methodist Church (Sa). The main house is a classic example of the 3-bay story-and-a-half style with "eyebrow" windows. There is a typical boxed stairway. Dormers on the wing were added in 1912. Don't assume that the iron hitching posts in front of this house were common h~ the village. Hitching posts were usually made of wood and have disappeared. 18c A fairly late comer to Skippers Lane, this house first shows up in records of deeds in 1889. This is a light framed house, which has not been altered except for the addition of a back porch in 1935, and therefure has not needed the extensive modernization which most early houses have required, for comfort and efficiency. The small building in the back is interesting: moved here before t900 from the property of house (c) on page 10, it was formerly the blacksmith shop of Francis R. Young. The heavy frame with interlocking beams are in contrast to the lighter framing of the main house, m~d attest to a much older structure. 18 Captaiu Caleb Dyer came to Orieot in 1798 and befi>re he died in 1852 he had bnilt the Orient Wharf and profited from it aud other enterprises for many years. Eveotually he owned most of the land north of what would one day become Skippers Lane, and it is said that at one time he proposed building a road from hii property on the Main Road straight to the harbor. Dyer's son John opposed him in this, otherwise the road would undoubtedly have connected Harbor River Road with the priwite dead-end road which runs south from the main road just east of the hou, se at lda. The two roads appear to be oo a single line. [] Skippers Lane is distinguished from other Orient streets by having sidewalks the length of both sides. Also, its splendid trees are practically continuous on both sides, ai~d at the far northwest corner, the street is touched by fields still being regularly farmed. SKIPPERS LANE North Side Built in 1875 by Joseph L. Glover for Elisha NI. Rackett, mrother sea captain who was also Justice of the Peace for Orient Village for 17 years. Since this house has been lucky enough to remain in the possession of one family, much of its original equipment still works after I00 years-the origi- nal pull doorbell, for example. An embossed metal ceiling is still in evidence in the dining room, and the clapboards are original. Note similarity of ornamental treatment at the gable peaks to that of one of the houses on the previous page (16a). Gingerbread had begun to be mass-produced. "Gibb Terry's house", as it was known for its first resident, nmst have been built after 1873, because it does not show on the Beers map. ganong other things, Gibb Terry was a photographer, and his 1901 picture of this house shows that it has remained virtually without change since then. Origi- nally it was not on a col-net; Oysterponds Lane was not put through until the 1930s. This makes the long pantry in back of the kitchen visible from the side. Tile design of the house is unique; note the "steeple windows" high up in the gables, and the bay window off the parlor. 19a t9b Dyer's road did uot go through, but about a hnndred years later, after the 1938 hurricane had destroyed his filling statiou on Village Lane. Alfred Lute decided to rebuihl ou the Main Road and to get the property be wanted on that thoroughfare, he had to buy a strip o[' laud all tile way dowu to Skippers Lane. He conceived the plan of opening tip a new street Oysterponds Lane wbicl/ now joins Skippers Lane at this point. Mr. Luce sold lots and the first house to take its place on the new street was the classic 18th ceutury structure just north of Skipper~ Lane on the west side, moved there from a location oil tile Main Road about a mile away. The house is pictured at page 36c. [] Another oruament to this ueighborhood is a handsome house of quite rece~lt coostruction which staods most compatibly between the two pictured above. It is oue of the nnmerous houses omitted from this book as being "not yet historic". 19 20a ORCHARD STREET North Side This house and the one immediately to the west, pictured below, have a somewhat connected history, and structurally they bear some resemblance. Both are shown on 1858 and 1873 maps as constituting the Methodist parsonage. Though there were two full storys and a flat tin roof up to World War I, when the gabled attic story was added, the house nray originally have been the typical 3-bay story-and-a-half "Cape Cod", and may even have been moved here from a location on lower Village Lane. Structural members sng- gest this possibility- 20b The 1873 map shows a Reverend G. Hollis living at this site, but it is not certain that the present house is the one Ire occupied. Structural evidence suggests that during the late 1880s or early 1890s either a complete new house was put up, or the earlier house was drastically altered. A full story with a gabled attic may have been added to a typical story-and-a-half house, or possibly this house had a fiat second floor roof like the one ascribed to the house above. In any event, the exterior has been unchanged since the 1890s except for the modern shingles. 20c Clearly one of the small company of "grand houses" in Orient, this example has remained completely authentic since it was built some time before 1858 for Samuel Watson Youngs, one of the founders of the Methodist Church located just a short walk to the west. There have been no wings or porches added, nothing taken off, tu~d the house still has its original tin roof. The tall windows opening onto the porch are not duplicated anywhere in the Orient Historic District. As part of the grand design, the interior has a fine curved staircase. 20d The Methodist Church, first pictured at 5a on Village Lane, is shown again here because as a corner building, it is equally significant to the character of Orchard Street. Two houses, 14a and 18b, were moved from the property sur- rounding the church, often referred to as "Hallelujah Park." In the 1920s there was a tennis court behind the church. 2O ORCHARD STREET South Side Today as always in Orient, farms come right up to the back- doors of village houses. The root-stock of this house was 2la planted in the 1860s by a farmer Christopher Brown Young- on a 25 acre farm owned by his father. Christopher was born in 1828, brought his bride to this house, and lived to be ~finety-eight. The twenty-five open acres which back up this house are still being farmed. The structure was considerably changed and enlarged early in the 20th century, but still retah~s some of its originfl elements. In 1850 this was the farm home of James Williams Young, whose descendants occupied it for three generations. A large area of arable land behind the house was part of the original Young's farm and is still farmed today. The long east wing of the house was formerly a tavern located on the property of Marvin Holmes on Village Lane (7c). It was moved here h~ 1828-29. The main house is an outstanding exmnple of the simple 3-bay story-and-a-half style, but with touches of "fanciness" in the side lights and transom of the front door, and handsome woodwork in the mantles and stairway. 2lb Late Victorian in period, this house has had no outside changes so it is a clear illustration of an architect's taking advantage of lighter framing materials and less cumbersome building methods to indulge a client's whims in the line of multiple gables and roof angles, faceted walls to give a turret effect, and large moms with high ceilings. Inside there is a certain amount of "gingerbread", along with decorative mantles in the living roon{ and dining room, but no fireplaces. In its early days, stoves were in fashion for heating buildings ol this size. Imagine: in 1895 it cost $1200 to build this house! 21c As with the Methodist Church on the page opposite, tiffs house first shown at 5b is repeated since it serves to com- plete the picture of the junction of Orchard Street with Village Lane. Contiguity between this house and the one shown immediately above is interrupted by two 20th century structures the Orient Fire House and a dwell- ing-house at the corner where Naw Street joins Orchard. 21d 21 The house below is at the very edge of the tlistoric District, on the corner of Tabor Road, which constitutes part of the eastern boundary of the District. Across Tabor Road is a large house with a lot of big ootbuildings, reflecting the kind of large scale agriculture which eventually came to be the norm in Orient. Up to about 200 years after the first settlers came, nearly every family in Orient lived off the land or a trade that related to farming. Nowadays a mere handful of farm operators work extensive acreage scattered all over the peninsula. East of Narrow River (see map on page 38) considerable areas of wetlands were drained and made arable by keeping the salt water out with a system of dikes. This sort of "land reclamation" could not be repeated today; the importance of wetlands has been recognized and they are protected by law. [] Immediately east of Tabor Road is the Central Cemetery, and a little further on, Orchard Street runs through open farln lands, with only a few widely separated houses, terminating in a T intersec- tion with Narrow River Road. This side of Narrow River is where the Hallock Farms were located and flourished for many years. The whole area is still tel'erred to simply as Hallock's, though it is many years since the unique farming conglomerate under that name was given up. In 1870 George W. Hallock took over a run-down farm at the far end of Orchard Street and set out to hnprove it. It was said that the land was so bad that "ifa man lived on it long ORCHARD STREET North Side 22a Though extensively modernized, there is evidence that the basic structure on this site was built before 1900. The cross- gable plan is easier to observe in the house immediately to the west. This is m~ example of how a relatively recent houm with much more abundaut fenestration, can still look highly compatible with the picturesque older houses on one of the oldest streets in Orient. 22b By the late 1800s, when this house was built, structural methods and materials-much lighter than the hand-hewn timbers of earlier days--made it possible to indulge in more complex architectural designs. The ground-plan of this house is cruciform: the entrance portion with glass-panelled double doors serves as a foyer, the central portion of tile house con- sists of two symetrical wings to the right and left of the foyer, and a similar fourth section extends to the rear. In the foyer is a curved staircase leading to the second floor with its slightly hipped gables. The east wing fireplace was added in 1968. 22c Extensive 20th century modifications have thoroughly con- cealed the structural origins of this house. The 1860 census shows Benjamin M. Young, a farmer, occupying a house on this site, and he was still there in 1873. As late as the turn of the century this may have been a 3-bay structure, almost square, with wide eaves and a hip roof rising to a flat deck at the top. The present roof dates from 1933, at which time the second story was extended over a previously gable- roofed wing, creating the indented, column-supported porch at the east corner of the building. 22 enough he wonld starve to death". Well, nobody ever even came close to starving. Working scientifically and efficiently, Hallock revolutionized all aspects of farm gardening and when he was through, showed his neighbor farmers how to produce ten times more vegetables from their own fields. On 68 acres Hallock spread 1000 toils of manure imported from New York City, 65 tons of fish scrap available locally, and 12V2 tons of chemicals. Maps were made of each planted section and through careful accounting Hallock was able to calculate the return of his invest- ment from each crop planted on each acre. Hallock was so successfiil that he bought a steamer to ship his produce to New England markets right from his own dock. [] Eventually Hallock's farm became practic~lly a self-con- tained village. One of the many buildings which it contained is now located on the property of the Oysterponds Historical Society. Hallock was truly tile Thomas Edison of farming and tile influence of his ideas aud innovations extended not only to the farmers of Orient and Long Island generally, but eventually to all parts of the world where agriculture is practiced scientifically. [] Another revolution in farming came with the wide-spread use of portable aluminum irrigation pipe after World War Il. Except in seasons when there is too much rain, this development enables farmers to control moistm'e in their fields very precisely. Moistnre at the right time is most important.' ORCHARD STREET South Side In 1838, there was already a house on this site, with two out-buildings. Large hand-hewn timbers, with wooden pegs, random width floor boards with square iron nails, and tongue- and-groove doors are evidence of construction methods of 150 years ago. The shed dormers, added in the 1930s, are the only significant addition to the old "Cape Cod". In the early 1900s Orient mosquitoes got so bad that hotels had to close. Horace Greeley Tabor took tile lead in research on the breeding habits and breeding places of mosquitoes. This work culminated in the establishment of the incorporated Orient Mosquito Control District in 1916. Laboratory inves- tigation into the life-cycle of the mosquitoes took place at Mr. Tabor's home, which was this house, inherited l¥om his father. Insect-catching birds find little to eat in Orient. 23a Orchard Street is not only one of the oldest streets iu Orient, but it also appears from Southold Town records to be the oldest street that still goes by its original name. The first mention in the books of the Town Highway Depart- ment appears in 1854. That was only three years before the publication of Griffin's Journal, but he does not men~ tion tl~e proposal to tile town, which bad to do with extending the already existing street. Neither does Griffin say anything about when or how Orchard Street was initially laid out or how many poles wide, The Chace Map of 1858, which probably reflects conditions two or three years earlier, shows Orchard Street and its total of nine buildings quite clearly, even though street names do not appear on that map. The name Orchard Street was fully and perma- nently established by the time of the Beers Map of 1873, and by tl~en the street had assumed much of its present character, though a number of houses have been added over the last hut~dred years. Part of that character is the noticeable difference between Orchard Strcet and Village Lane in the matter of width and the resulting set-back of houses. The greater spaciousness of Orchard Street suggests that it was probably laid out as a three-pole road in the beginning. It is clear from Gril¥in's account of Village Lan~ (page 12) that by the middle of the 19th century, Orienters had already begun to want wider streets than their forefathers had provided. I'-I Orchard Street has never had any commercial establishments, but it must always have been a vital artery for traffic to and from the south- western lobe of the Orient peninsula the Hog Pond. Pete's Neck, Brown's Point area. Orchard Street was the only way to get back and forth until the extension of King Street, which the 1858 Chace map shows as only a projection at that time. To travel east of Village l.ane, there were only two town roads ~the main highway and Orchard Street-- until after King Street was extended, sometime in the 1860s. [] Tile matter apparently has not been researched, but it seems reasonable to specnlate that Southohl Town look over the maintenauce of Orient's streets about tile time that the inbabitants succeeded in getting the name of their Immlet changed from Oysterponds Lower Neck to Orient. l'hat was in 1836. [] Orchard Street presents another case of intermittent sidewalks; on the north side the walk runs all the way to Tabor Road, but on the south side it stops at the firehouse. 23 24a LOWER VILLAGE LANE West Side Oral tradition declares tills house to have been over 150 years old when it was last purchased in 1906, at wbich time the dormers were added. Modern shingles do not ob- scure the 5-bay story-and-a-half construction typical of the 18th century, and interior evidences of age include a boxed staircase, wide floor boards of white pine, and board-and-batten doors with handmade latches. The 1858 Chace map shows tl~e house occupied by "W. L. Beebe', a family name which tums up frequently in the various annals of Orient. 24b This house appears on the 1858 Chace map but ownership is not ascribed until it shows on the 1873 Beers map as be- longing to E. T. King. People living in Orient in 1900 recall this as being considered one of the village's really old houses. In the 1890s, this was the location of the Eastern Union Telegraph office. Completely remodelled before t918, a second story was added to what may have been a typical story-and-a-half house, and the attic story was fitted out with gables on the north and south sides. What appears to be an original mantlepiece survived the interior renovation and its style could be an indication that the house dates back at least to the early 180Os. 24c This house started life as a commercial building, with large store windows in the front. The scalloped shingles confirm that it was built in the 1890s. The north wing was originally the office of a lumber yard owned by Capt. Beebe, (see 17c) who had a schooner named alter him which brought in lumb from Maine. The south side of the building was occupied by butcher shops under the proprietorship of L. Reichart and later under Ambrose King and then Edward Webb. Villages like Orieut were more or less self-sufficient (though produce came from New London)until the competition of chain stores and the automobile in the 1920s put specialty stores out of business. Sometime after that the interior of this building was converted into a dwelling. 24d Joseph F. Glover, a carpenter, who is credited witb having worked on a number of Orieut houses (19a, 30e, 35a) lived here until the 1880s. His name appears at this site on the 1873 Beers map. The 5-bay story-and-a-half Cape Cod could have been built considerably before Mr. Glover's time, it' hand-hewn beams with mortise and tenon joints and woode~ pegs aloft are taken as evidence. Tire high brick foundation above ground dates 1¥om the 1880s wl~en the honse was raised because of street flooding. The original foundation below ground is of stone. The two-sided stoop porch is unusual. 24 26a LOWER VILLAGE LANE West Side "The Franklin House", as it is still known to many reside was occupied before 1873 by a Captain Charles M. Frankl the master of a schooner which sailed out of Orient. The 3-bay design is familiar from earlier periods, but this hous has the "eyebrow windows" above a frieze. These windo,~ helped to bring light and air to the attic half-story but in extreme cases one could not see out of them without lyi~ prone on the floor, so in some houses they were called "belly windows". The wing on the harbor side of this house may have been part of the original construction. It would appear that Captain Franklin could walk to work! 26b "Revolutionary Cottage" was built about 1730 by Ricbar Shaw, who later built and operated the wharf nearby. Augustus Griffin, whose father lived here for a time, des- cribed this as "a two-story, double house, that is two fron rooms on the road, yet not more than 20 feet rear or wic very inconvenient, as much too narrow for a kitchen..." A large ceutral chimney with many hearths was removed sometime after 1917. Early photographs show the house without its present front porch. Revolutionary Cottage be a historic marker recounting how Griffin's father escaped from British soldiers one rah~y night in 1777, and the legendary episode of one "Widow Shaw" whose funeral service turned out to be premature. 26c In its time, this late 19th century building was a store, a butcher shop, the office of a lumber yard. With more she across the street, and the busy wharf close by, this was o a bustling commercial neighborhood, but the advent of ti automobile and the ability to shop in Greenport eventual caused Orient's business establishments to wither away, a building such as this were converted into cottages for sur vacationers. 26d 26 ORIENT WHARF. Though the present wharf is the third structure of its kind at the same location, the first having been built in 1740 by Richard Shaw, who had built bis own house nearby (26b above) ten years befk)re. Accord- ing to Augustus Griffin, the originaI wharf was "a heap o ruins" in 1774 w~ten he and his friends played around it as children. Vessels were few and small before the Revolu tion and after failure to make a go of it, Richard Shaw moved his business and family to Aquebogue. In 1828, o~ the site of the old wharf, Capt. Caleb Dyer buil! a longer wider structure, 100 feet long by 25 wide. In 1837 a me~ ing was held at Augustus Griffin's place fbr the purpose c LOWER V1LLAGELANE East Side At this point, the reader is back at Village Lane just below the OHS buildings where the book started, on pages 2 and 3. From bere on the sequence of pages~ still facing uorth proceeds backwards down the full length of Village Lane and turns iuto King Street. From here to the wharf are some of the oldest buildings in the Historic District. Griffin's Journal describes an event he had heard tell of which unquestionably took place in the house immediately below: "Jonathan Youngs, Jr .... was married to Miss Martha Booth in the summer of t 733. She resided at what was then called Sterling, now Greenport. Tbe groom's and bride's parents, being pleased with the match, a large assemblage of both sexes were in attendance. On the following day, tbe father of the groom gave a sumptuous wedding supper, at which were invited, and atte~ded, the friends of both. Those of the bride's family were twenty couple (some say thirty), mounted on horseback, the fashion of the day -wagons and gigs were then unknown in this region-made an interesting spectacle, as they rode the distance of about five miles to Oysterponds to the house of the groom's father. Each lady was seated on the same horse with her partner on a wellqnade pillion, properly secured to the saddle, with one neat wood stirrup, which was nt~cessary for one foot. The horses of that day were taught to pace, as trotting ones were ungenteel, as well as unpleasant to the rider. After the numerous guests had partaken bountifully of the luxuries of the board-aud, from accounts, there was enough, and to spare (dishes, in this New World were less costly than now, it is tree, but tbeir contents were not less useful, savory, or abundant; the larder of modern days may be more replete with exotics, but uever more truly rich than tbat of the rustic age of which we now write; 'a good liver' then would lose uotbing in comparison with 'a good liver' now.) But to returu; as we said, after supper, being in a mood for social enjoyment, the violin (not the piano, uor band), but the violin sounded for a dance. The largest room in the house of Mr. Youngs could not accommodate them, and it was unanimously voted that the lawn in front of the dwelling, which was richly carpeted by Nature's greeu, should be the scene of their amusement. Thither they repaired. ~Twas au enchanting seasou and spot; the winds were hushed to a calm; the moon uear its full, with thousands of stars, shone from a clondless sky npon the happy company, and there, in festive merriment and animated intercourse, they mingled and talked, laughed and inade merry, more than forty couples of the women and men of other days. Guilderoy, Money Musk, Nancy Dawson, Hunt the Squirrel, and the Devil's Dream, were strains of impassioned sweetness to them, and these bad not then given place to the formal, and perhaps more graceful, ballet and cotillion." The dormers and bay windows, which were added in the late 180Os, tend to obscure the fact that this is quite likely oldest existent house in the Orient Historic District. Certain- ly it is the best documented: originally deeded to Jonathan Youngs by L. T. Gideon Youngs in 1701, successive deeds trace the ownership through six generations of Youngs until 1962. Structural evidences of antiquity include a large Georgian mantlepiece, hand-hewn beams, some boxed, use of buttermilk paint, and a succession of roofs f¥om wood shingles to tin, to the present asphalt. The Methodist Church was organized and held ~eetings in this house prior to the building of its church (5a) in 1836. 25a Along with the house immediately above, this one was moved back 25 feet in 1880 when the street was widened. In one of the unpublished volumes of his journal, Griffin says this house was started in 1845 by Jeremiah Youngs, a carpenter, whose father, Thomas Vincent Youngs, at that time lived in the adjacent house shown above. In those days builders used wide random floor boards and wooden pegs were still used 25b to fasten beams. Jeremial~ Youngs continued as a carpenter through the 1880s. The two story north wing with the cross gable may have been added at the time the building was moved back from the road. 25 LOWER VILLAGE LANE East Side This many-faceted house was built in 1895 by Cicero Breeze King, who had a lumber yard and a store at the end of the wharf, and who at the same time operated the Bay House (27c). An earlier house on this site was moved and eventual- 27a ly became one of the waterfront cottages under management of the Bay House. The elaborate design of C. B. King's house reflects the prosperity of Orient's entrepreneurs in his day. According to the Beers Map of 1873, there was a steucture on this site occupied by a "Mrs. Gillette" (Anna Vail Gilette), but there is no indication that the present building has mucb if any resemblance to her house. Old residents of the village trove testified that the building was operated in the 1880s as 27b a store. At about the turn of the century there was great alarm because some out-of-towner wanted to open a saloon on the premises. The villagers rose in protest and the Temperance Movement prevailed. C. B. King bought the building and con- verted it from a shop into a residence for his son. Further remodelling was done in the period before World War l. In 1873, Gfiff'm wrote: "Caleb Dyer has just finished his house at the landing facing his wharf (26d). Lewis A. Edwards has opened an inn or tavern in said house." Random width floor boards (one 28 inches wide), board-and-batten or tongue- in-groove doors with metal lift-latches, and cellar wails of un- 27c coursed rubble confirm that this is an old building. By 1873 it shows on the Beers Map as the "Merriman ltotel". Elec- tricity and indoor plumbing were installed in 1922, and the building long known as Bay House is still used as headquarters for the Bay House summer residence business in several neighboring cottages. founding a stock co~npany tile Oyste~ Ponds Wharf Co. Sylvanus Edwards was appointed Wharfinger. In 1838 Griffin records that the steamboat Clifton came to this wharf, tl~e first steamship ever to tie up at Orient. After 19 years of service the second wharf had likewise become a wreck, whelber from winds or waters or neglect is not known. In 1848 a number of farmers and boatmen obtained a state charter to build a substantial wharf. They raised capital of $15,000 (600 shares at $25), bought out Capt. Dye~'s interests, and proceeded to build "something more solid and secure for vessels of almost any size" and in about a year a wharf 200 feet long and 30 Ibet wide was completed, nlade entire- 27 ly of stone. The wharf was extended in 1860 and again in 1872 in response to growth in local enterprises, shipping in and out, and considerable passenger traffic. The busy wharf area attracted a variety of shops to the neighborhood in the mid-1800s. Some of the bnildings were moved away (3e) and others were eventually converted into summer cottages along the Orieut waterfront. The Orient Wharf Company, as it is now called, still maintains the structure, rents berths pleasure boats, and rents the building at the end-a former potaio warehouse- to the Orient Yacht Club. At the of the wharf, on the south side of the approach, is a stone and bronze memorial to Orient veterans of World War I. 28a LOWER VILLAGE LANE West Side Originally a boat house. Before 1900, Charles Moore, the lighthouse keeper who tended what was popularly called "Bug Light", at the end of Long Beach Point, kept his boat at this location. About t9-10 the building was improved by Phil Tabor, presumably to make it livable, and further improvements have been made since then. This does not have the familiar characteristics of "an old house", but mayb it will seem quaint some day in the future. 28b One of several houses in this area built or owned by James Douglass in the late 1880s. As a builder, Douglass was evi- dently partial to the Mansard style of architecture because he is reputed to have built "Bug Light" which was quite similar in character to tile house pictured here. Metal bolts and rods reinforce the four corners of this building as an extra precaution agahast hurricane winds. The house was bought in 1892 by the grandfather of the present owner for $2000. Before that it had been operated by two maiden ladies as a boarding house for workers at the so-called fish factory on Long Beach (see History, pages 39-40). 28c Known from the start as "the spite house", this is another of James Douglass' undertakings. George Bristow, owner of the house across the street (29c) refused to pull back the sidewalk in front of his house to line up with that of his next-door neighbor, Mr. Douglass, in 29b. Douglass retaliated by buying the property here on the harbor side of the street and deliberately siting this house to spoil Bristow's view of the water. The house must not have been built until after 1882 because that was when George Bristow came to Orient and bought his house. 28 Five of the summer cottages which cluster around the inter- section of lower Village Lane, Bay Avenue, and the approach to the wharf are part of the Bay House hotel complex (27c). The three shown at the left were originally shops or storage buildings of one kind of another; built in the latter part of the 19th century when the waterfront at this point was a busy commercial area. None appear to have been built for style, but all were durable enough to withstand hurricanes and winter storms, and thus justify their radical renmdelling. LOWER VILLAGE LANE East Side This house is conspicuous for old-fashioned plainness of its looks. It was built in three parts, each on a different founda- tion. The front, gabled section was built on brownstone with pegged frame construction; the lean-to was built on a granite 29a foundation past the time when wooden pegs were used; the back summer kitchen was built in the 1890s on locust posts, which have since been replaced. Corncobs were used as insula- tion in the outside walls of the gabled section. The property was bought in 1863 by the founder of the Richard family wino had emigrated from Germany in the 1850s. A sword which he found in the house is now at the Oysterponds Historical Society. One of the several buildings that lost their cupolas or steeples in the 1938 hurricane. Remodelling done since then has re- vealed many evidences of old and unusual workmanship since the house first appeared on the t858 Chace Map, at which time it belonged to Jeremiah Vail, a fisherman and later inn- keeper, with his father, at Village House (3a). James A. Douglass, a prominent builder, bought the house in 1880 for $1500 and began adding to it. The top beams of the roof in the present structure are carved out of solid timbers the way carlings were fashioned for ships. This gives a slight crown to the roof, yet it appears fiat. Such construction serves as a reminder that some of Orient's master builders were also ship carpenters. 29b Porches and dormers aside, this house is a classic example of the kiud of houses built in Orient around the 1840s. The 1850 census shows it as the hmnestead of the Abram T. King family, of which Abram, aged 40, aud his son, aged 20, were recorded as seamen. In 1853 Abram King bought an 80~acre farm plns some other parcels for $4250, and the 1869 census shows the family as farmers. In the 1880s, George Bristow, first violinist of the New York Philharmonic, paid a summer visit to Orient and was so enraptured that he bought this house. He is said to have composed the first American light opera, "Rip Van Winkle". The house Mr. Bristow bought still contains two of its original large fireplaces and probably the most elabo- rate doorway in Orient. 29c 29 30a 30b 30c 30d KING STREET South Side Henry Dyer, listed as a mariner, was living here when the census of t850 was taken. The house, which faces the harbo was of the typical Orient 3-bay story-and-a-half style, in this case with a large central chimney which was later removed, as were many like it after stoves for cooking and heating replaced the hugh hearths which had served both purposes. The property was bought by George Douglass in 1875 as a summer renter and remained in his family for 93 years. The dormers on the water side were added in the 1920s and apparently the long back wing was attached in three separate sections. Fronting on the water, with only a lane connecting it to King Street, this house dates back to at least the 1840s as a residence of Orient seamen and fisherman. The 1858 Chace Map shows it as belonging to D. T. Glover. Through Betsy Glover's marriage to a neighbor-Henry Young King, a mariner-the house came into the possession of the King family. Photographs by William Steeple Davis, who lived next door, trace some of the more recent changes: dormers added in 1899 by Charles H. King; some time after 1926 the dormer visible in the picture was increased from two bay to three and the whole house was extensively renovated. Charles King refused to have electricity brought into the house so it relied on oil lamps until his death in 1942. William Steeple Davis, Orient's most revered artist and photographer, lived here from his birth in 1884 until his death in 1961. His father was also a man of artistic talent-as a sign and carriage painter. Both used the small building to the east as a workshop and studio. There is a special room in the Village House (3a) with many exam- ples of Davis's work on display. This 1860s house was built by his grandfather, William Smith Hubbard, a schooner captain, witb the help of the carpenter, Joseph L. Glover (see 24d). Willie Steeple Davis, as he was called familiar- ly, specified in his will, that this house be maintained "as a center for rest and work by men and women in the profession of the fine arts". The property on which this house and the one below now stand has been in the possession of the same family for at least five generations. The 1860 census shows it occupied by Calvin King, a farmer, then 68 years old. His young son, Orlando Start King, inherited this parcel of land and built this house some time after 1873. We are indebted to his son, an early camera enthusiast, for highly informative photographs of many Orient homes, including this one. In the early 20th century there was a picket fence, but other than its replacement by a hedge, the house looks much the same from the outside as it did when first photographed. 3O These pages represent the lower end of King Street at its junction with Village Lane. The house at the northwest corner is illustrated at page 29c, and behind it on King Street there are two 20th-century houses, the second one occupying a site from which an old house was moved to Oysterponds Lane in 1955. [] John King was one of the six first settlers of Orient. His house was situated on the Main Road at the site of the later house pictured at page 12c, and he owned land all the way t¥om there down to the harbor. It was the line between his property and Gideon Youngs' to the east that determined the path of Village Lane. FI John King's descendants have been prominent in Orient ever since its founding. The erratic and incomplete index of Griffin's Journal has sixteen page references to the King family and there are dozens of other references to Kings under three catch-all "Orient Families, headings for the years 1700, 1752, 1855. Long before the latter date there were four King descendants in the male line living on property of their own on both sides of this street, so it is fair to assume that whenever and however the street was named, it was called King Street out of respect for a family which had undoubtedly taken part in every major decision concerning Orient since 1661. [] On tlie 1858 Chace Map, King Street appears to extend only to about the last two houses shown on the next page, but dotted lines suggest that the Town of Southold, which had by then taken over the management of Orient's streets, wasplanningan extension. The 1873 Beers Map seems to confirm that the extension was finished by then. It is easy to see on the Hale map (page 38) that another good road in addition to Orcbard Street was needed for convenience in getting to and fi'om the Hog Pond area, which was im- portant for grazing. Until the extension was put tbrough, King Street might have been merely a short passageway to the beach. Until lower Village Lane was widened and extended in this direction, around 1876, it looks on the Beers Map as though the connection between King Street and Village Lane was little more than a nameless path along the water front. What was tlien called Water Street ran only west of Village Lane. [] The reader who has come this far and who gets into the brief history at the back of the book will have been exposed to a considerable number of family names. This seems a good place for a few excerpts from an eksay by Mary and the late Nelson Chapman, catled "The Famifies of Orient", first pubtished by the Oysterponds Historical Society in 1955. [] "Tenormore generations successively living in one community is almost unheard of in this country; yet in Orient this is not only common, it is taken for granted. Orient family names are represented by about 90 of the approximately 219 families living in Orient throughout the year or as regular Summer residents. There are an additional 23 families where the wile is from an early family, and there are a nmnber of families one or more generations removed from the early family names. Thus, over half of the population are descendants of the early settlers. [] Some surviving surnames from families that came to old Oysterponds Lower Neck before 1700 include: Tuthill, King, Terry, Vail, Young, Petty, Beebe and Rackett. The Browns, Moores, Glovers, Conklins, Paynes, Bndds and Mulfords are represented by numerous descendants through maternal lines, althougli, in most cases, the last of the males of these names were still here up to a generation ago. In such a small community intermarriage was inevitable, with the result that to- day's possessor of an early name can trace his descent from many other early Orient families as well. Another result has been the formation of cmnplex degrees of relationship, so that neighbors are often cousins through two or more lines of descent. The majority of the children in Orient's school are cousins, from first to twelfth, but they are usually unaware of tlie more distant relationships. [] Between 1750 and 1850 a number of new families Came whose children married descendants of old t~milies, adding an infusion of new blood at that time. Such families include the Tabors and Latha~ns whose descendants have clung to Orient with even more tenacity than most of their predecessors. The Dyers, Potters, Hallocks, Ways and Edwards also came during this period. In the past hundred years newcomers of various national origins have grafted their lines onto these predominantly English family trees so that some descendants of original settlers bear Irish, German, Polish and Portuguese surnames." [] Note that due to the strong-mindedness of one member of the King family, the house at "b" on the opposite page did not get electricity until 1942. The village as a whole had no electricity until about twenty years before that~ Power lines did not reach the whole length of Long Island until 1922. This means that there are residents alive today who can still remember Orient in the mellow, shadowy light of oil lamps and. candles, and the lamplighter--with bis ladder-making the rounds every night to light tbe street lamps whicb can still be seen here and there in the village. KING STREET North Side This may be one of the first houses acquired by James Douglass when he retired to Orient around 1880 afIer a successful career as a fruit merchant in Brooklyn. He gave it to his daughter, who married John Kokendaffer. He operated a farm further out on King Street. A house on this site appears on the 1858 and 1873 maps with the names of members of the Vail family, but it was probably a much simpler house. The present decorative quality of the house suggests that it was remodelled or replaced by Douglass, whose partiality to fiat-roofed, rather ornamental houses is demonstrated at 28b and c and 29b. 3la 32a 32b 32c 32d KING STREET South Side The house which Calvin King and his three sons occupied on this property in 1860 did not resemble what we see today. The original house was probably another of those typical Orient 3-bay story-and-a-half farm houses, with the customary wings. Along in the course of providing for the convenience and comfort of succeeding generations, it became more and more difficult to discern the old house. The two-story gabled extension and an open porch on the northwest corner were added in the early 1900s. The origins of this house are obscure. It does not show on the 1858 Chace Map. It presumably is the survivor of two houses which appear on the 1873 Beers Map, but there is no telling which one. The original stone cellar was very small, only 6 by 9 f~et. Joists visible in the cellar are sawn, not hand-hewn, yet they are joined by mortises and tenons and were pegged, indicating a transition period in building methods. Doors are beaded board-and-batten with lift catches. Early siding evidently was not entirely weather proof, because the present asbestos were added "to keep the house warm". The 1858 Chace Map showed the owner of this house as H. H. Haynes. Griffin's journal mentions Haynes in 1843 as a shoemaker from Connecticut who married a local girl-Mehitable Vail-in November of that year. Griffin says Haynes built himself "a new house in the village" in 1849, but it was not until his wife, who evidently preferred to be called Hetta, sold some of her farm land and bought thi~ parcel that the family moved to King Street. The house started as the typical Orient farmhouse but was bought by John Douglass in 1900, and remodelled with the addition of the dormer and a two-story wing. Thele was a house here in 1873, but no name shows on the Beers Map. James Douglass, who retired hem from Brooktyr bought several parcels of land from Edwin King in t878. property where this house stands Douglass gave to his son John as a farm. It is quite possible that the senior Douglass trod a lot to do with the building or remodelling of this house because it reflects his taste, including the element of a fiat roof which failed to survive the 1938 hurricane. It is easy to see that the house without the gabled story would bear a resemblance to the other houses which James Dougla owned or built (pages 28-9). This is at the very eastern edge of the Historic District, practically out of sight of other Kin Street houses. 32 KING STREET North Side Built in 1849, this house shows on the 1858 and 1873 maps as occupied by members of the Vail fm'nily, some of whom also lived next door. The house has retained a number of its early characteristics, including old beams with pegs, some old glass, and board-and.batten doors. It was the middle member in a row of three typical Orient story-and-a-half houses with the ridge of the roof parallel to the street. Later a second story was added with the gable facing the street. The third window oh the east could have been the original door. The wing dates from 1873, but the porch is newel'. 33a Last br the row of three houses on this side of the street wl~ich originally were typical of the mid-19th ~entury Orient farm house. Cicero Breeze King, a clerk at age twenty, was living here with his parents at the time of the 1860 census. He was to become a leading merchant in the village with a store at the corner of the wharf. He 'also had a lumber yard and sold coal from New Jersey (see pages 26-7). The house is still in the family of C. B. King's descendants. It was greatly modified sometime after 1902 with the addition of dormers, porches, vestibule, and bay window. 33b As was true at several other places in tile village, this house accomodated two families at the time of the 1860 census. It was then an unadorned example of the Orient style three- bay story~and-a-half farm house. An early photograph shows 6 over 9 windows on the first floor of the main block. The side porch was added in the 1930s and the back extension 33c was raised to provide a large second-story room. The house has been "prettied up" in various ways to enhance its mid- 19th century appearance. Captain Lester B. Terry, who lived here in 1873, described this as one of the oldest houses in Orient. There is a roof board bearing a date in 1824, but it could have come from ea~ earlier house, perhaps on the same site. In any event, tiffs is scarcely recognizable as the familiar story-and-a-half of early 19th century design though that's what it may have been to start with. An old photo shows 9 over 6 windows on the first and second floors and another chimney on the west side nearer tire street. The summer kitchen was not used in this century, because the owners transferred their fishing operation to Montauk and lived here only in the winter. A metal roof was lost in the 1938 hurricane. This is the last house on this side of King Street within the boundary of the Orient Historic District. 33d 33 BAY AVENUE WEST Though some date back to the late 19th century, most of the houses shown above do'not have deep roots in Orient history, and all have been affected by recent and extensive remodelling. The 1938 hurricane did great damage in this area and several houses were either not replaced or what was left of them was moved further from the water. Inci- dentally, in 1873 Bay Avenue was called Water Street. It was occupied only by a wind mill and three other buildings. The third house has some very old beams which may be part of a house shown on the 1858 map, but then again they may have come from a demolished house elsewhere. In the early 1900s the second house-with the peaked roof-was a bowling alley. Orienters did not entirely approve of this diversion, which attracted mainly Greenport people who probably came by boat and treated this as an amuse- lrtent area. 3~ 34b This house first shows up on the Beers Map of 1873, identi- fied as the residence of Nathan Champlin. Conceivably he was a descendant of the George Champlin whom Augustus Griffin mentions as coming to Orient in 1824 and marwing Cynthia Youngs six years later. The house came into the possession of the Hommel family in the t890s and remaiiqed in their hands for 75 years. Many changes were made during that period, not il~e least of which was raising the house by about three feet after the 1938 hurricane. Originally the house faced on Village Lane because Willow Street was not officially opened until 1914. WILLOW STREET Though Willow Street itself does not show, this house was in place on the 1873 Beers map, presumably with a path or lane for access from what was then called Bay Avenue, now Village Lane. "L. Beebe" appears as the owner; but the building later came to be known as the "Grosbauer House", for Charles Grosbauer whose wife was a well-regarded seam- stress. The house is distinguished by much original material inside-some 20-pane and 12-pm~e windows, old board-and- batten doors throughout, wide uneven floorboards, and wainscoting in the dining room. A high-water mark is still visible on wallpaper in the entrance hall. 34 VINCENT STREET East Side Circa 1885 Joseph L. Glover, a carpenter (see 24d), built this house for a daughter at the time of her marriage to Capt. Alvin Brooks, who owned the sloop "Saucy Maid" and fished in the waters around Gardiner's Island. Note the "church window" in the gable, a feature found in several other Orient houses in which Mr. Glover may have had a hand. He is known to have worked on the Willie Steeple Davis house (30e), and one of the captain's houses on Skipper's Lane (23a). 35ai Charles S. Vail, who had this house built in the 1880s, was the grandson of Samuel Gilson Vail who ran the Village House Inn. Charles was at least the third generation of Orient fishermen named Vail; his sons, Samuel, Warren and Everett, became the fourth generation to follow the same calling. Charles captaiued the "Black Eagle", a schooner which his 35b father, Captain Jeremiah Vail, had acquired after the Civil War, during which she had been used as a blockade runner. Black Eagle survived to perform similar service as a rum- runner during prohibition. Except for an ornamental picket fence which has been replaced, the exterior of this house seems to have been maintained with the outside virtually unchanged. Of the four houses-two above and 3f-which came into existence shortly after Vincent Street was opened, this one is reputed tO have been the most sociable. Vinton Richard, whose was born nearby in 1889, remembers visit- ing with the ~tham children who lived here when he was a boy. The house had not only a parlor but a living room with a spinet, and this was a popular gathering place for young people. Mr. Richard remembered that "no genera- tion gap was felt in this house". 35c No new houses were built on Vincent Street after the 1880s. This site was occupied by an earlier house, shown on the 1873 map, before the street was ordained, as belonging to "L. Beebe". The house pictured here replaced the Beebe 35d house in the early 1920s, having been moved a short distance from its locatiun on lower Village Lane between 29a and 29b. The structure was built after 1873 for John D. Cleveland who operated a blacksmith shop at the wharf in those days. 35 OTHER STREETS... There are a few old houses in the Historic District located more or less apart from each other in such a way that they could not be brought into the over-ail scheme of this book without upsetting the pattern which has been followed for the principal streets. The buildings are illustrated here and on pages 34 and 35, with key numbers which will enable the reader to relate them to the street map on page 1. The house at 36a is on a private road running south frorr the Main Road near the western edge of the Historic District. Its nearest neighboring houses are to be found on pages 14 and 15. The houses numbered 36b and 36c are on opposite sides of Oysterponds Lane though not opposite each other. Being the newest street in Orient, Oysterponds Lane is occupied by newer structures and these are the only two houses which have any claim to antiquity, See also page 19. 36a When it was decided to bring the Monument (12a) down from Peter's Hill in 1906, this house was in the way of the split of Village Lane at its junction with the Main Road. Photos from that period show this house as the typical 3-bay story-and-a-half, with eyebrow windows and a nice door embrasure. Since 1858 it had been known as Capt. Thomas Poole's house. Sometime after its removal to its present location a full second story was added, along with many windows to take advantage of the superb view of the sun setting in Long Island Sound, just across the wetlands and Truman's Beach which is Orient's one slender connec- lion with the rest of the island. While it has been altered almost beyond recognition as an old house, this building dates back to the Beers map of 1873 at a location on King Street. As recently as 1955 it was deem- ed to be worth moving to its present site-not only a long move, but a complicated one considering phone and electrical wires 36b to be raised. Major changes were effected at the time of the move-side wings and front porch were lost and shed dormers, front and back, were added. 36c One of the least altered, most treasured of Orient's really old houses. The date of 1745 is etched in one of the orig- flml panes of glass. Old nraps show it as belonging to Mrs. A. H. Rackett at its original location on the Main Road just west of the Historic every original aspect has been preserved or authentically maintained insofar as possible. There is old hardware on the doors, a comer cupboard, a very steep semi~boxed staircase with each step a diffbrent size. Even the front door is thought to be original. Outside, it is a classic ex- ample of the 5-bay house with the front pitch of the roof close to the tops of the windows. Most of the early Orient houses were 3-bay with somewhat higher IXacades. 36 NAVY STREET North Side This picture from the archives of the Oysterponds Historical Society shows Captain Charles Vail, who lived in the house at 35b, making fish-trap net in the Seine House shown imme- diately below. Nets were pulled up to the second floor loft for mending. The picture was taken in 1916 by the late Vinton Richard, one of Orient's most accomplished photo- graphers and oral historians, to whom a great deal information in the book is due. 37b Now in the process of total modernizatinn, this building was originally put up in the late 19th century as a seine house. Until recently, the only siding was unpainted vertical boards, common in barns. Some of the nets used by Orient fishermen were heaw,bulky affairs, hundreds of feet long and weighing hundreds of pounds, especially when wet. They were both valuable and vulnerable, and could not just be left lying around. When not in use they were stored here or in similar structures. This particular building was owned by the Vail family who fished off Montauk in the Black Eagle (see 35b). 37c L. Vinton Richard, the photographer who took the picture of Captain Vail in the Seine House, was bom and brought up here, fight next door. In 1888, Mr. Richard's father helped the carpenter, Charles Havens, (see 8c), in the build- ing of the house. The senior Richard-Henry R.-was then a farmer who rented acreage some distance away. Actually, three generations of Richards occupied the house together in its early years, and Vinton, as a boy, slept in the front room which was also the parlor. 37d The 1873 Beers map shows a structure on this site belonging to a family named Harlew. Clarence Babbage bought the property and lived here with his family in the 1890s. He was a steam engineer for the "Judd Field" and "Halyoke" steam- ships operated by G. W. Hallock & Sons to carry their farm produce to market. The house was next owned by a man named Pemchief, who had retired to Orient from Brooklyn. He added the dormers in 1906. In 1920 his widow sold the house to Henry Knobloch. 37 Hou,s¢ 700 14dosJlucl CurJi~ House, about' ~1oo 150riehl Po nf Inn ~17~5' 169iJlcl( Dock t740 A ~flla~ Lanel~os~ '"~ Herbert M. Hale designed two pictorial maps of Orient, one in 1935 and the one above for the OHS in 1950. Larger reproductions of both are available at the Museum. Mr. Hale retired to Orient and lived in the house shown at page 10b. A SHORT HISTORY OF ORIENT The community of Orient occupies the eastern extremity of Long Island's North Fork from Truman's Beach to Orient Point, a tract of about 3,000 acres. The village of Orient is located on the southwestern side of this area. Both the vil- lage and community of Orient were formerly called Oyster- ponds and, in the early days, East Marion was included but was distinguished as Oysterponds Upper Neck, while Orient was known as Oysterponds Lower Neck. The name was changed from Oysterponds to Orient in 1836 by general agreement of the inhabitants, and the new name was selected to signify the area's eastern position on Long Island. This irregularly-shaped penin- stria of Orient was formed by-the last gla~T~e W~sc~n~i~ i~ about 10,000 years ago. The area was first inhabited by a primitive group known to archaeologists as the Orient Focus people. A study of the village sites, pottery and stone dishes and implements left by these people in Orient indicates that they had no overlapping contact with the Indians of historic times, probably vanishing or migrating long before the later Indians appeared. Most of what is ' ~wn about the Orient Focus culture comes from archeological work done by Roy Latham, a self-educated Orient farmer, wno is widely respected for his unsurpassed researches on the flora and fauna of Long Island. The Indian tribes found by the early explorers had settled on Long Island about 1,000 years ago, and language similar- ities prove that they were once part of the Algonquian Nation that held the southern New England area. The Indian name for the Orient peninsula was Poquatuck. The Long Island Indians were often subjected to raids by their more powerful neighbors and, in general, they tended to favor alliances with the early settlers for protection from these raids. They were very willing to sell their lands for the trinkets the settlers brought, little realizing that the newcomers also brought new diseases, such as smallpox and diphtheria, which would deci- mate their tribes within a generation. Oysterponds (Orient) was included in the land acquired by the early settlers, who founded Southold in 1640. The purchase of the land was arranged in the New Haven Colony~ which then hid jurisdiction, and deeds were obtained from the Indians on Long Island. The original deeds have been lost, t~ut a confirmatory deed, signed in 1665, was recorded in the town records. Later, a patent, which delineated the geographical area included under the civil jurisdiction of Southold, was granted by Governor Andros in 1676. This patent included all lands from Wading River to Oysterponds Point and Plum Island. According to fire historians, Griffin and Thompson, Peter Hallock laid claim to Oysterponds by virtue of an Indian deed obtained in 1647. Hallock, how- ever, returned to England and made no use of the land. The Southold settlers soon found it necessary to enlarge their common pasture lands for grazing cattle, sheep and hogs, and they used Oysterponas as well as other unassigned areas for this purpose. The date 1661 is generally accepted as the time when Oysterponds was permanently settled. A single lot in the Oysterponds tract was 50 acres, and the original lots were generally laid out so that they were bounded on the north by the Sound and on the south by the bay. In a short time a road was laid out through the middle of Oysterponds and by sales and exchanges of property the road eventually be- came the new boundary line for dividing tracts of land. The tradition is recorded in Griffin's Journal that "John Tuthill, John Youngs, Jr., Israel Brown, Richard Brown, Samuel Brown, and John King, were the first six men to settle in this place (Oysterponds) with their families." The first rude dwelling was erected about one-third of a mile east of Truman's Beach by Israel Brown. Further to the east, along road that eventually became known as King's Highway, the other five men mentioned above built houses and laid out their farms. None of the first six dwellings sur- vived beyond Augustus Griffin's time. We can only surmise what these early houses were like from Griffin's references. He speaks of a "good sized" house near Israel Brown's, that was built about 1670 and taken down around 1829. Of a 1691 house, he says it stood about 150 years, being taken down in 1837 to make room for a two story house (Griffin seems to be very particular about noting the construction or raising of a house to a second story). A Tuthill family house built about 1666 was believed by Griffin to be "the oldest frame one in tiffs place. It was double, with two small front rooms, a narrow entry between them, a story and a half high, near 30 feet front and 23 feet rear; the roof the steepest I ever knew...This olct relic of ancient days was moved off the premises, converted into a barn in or near 18_00, and about 1822 taken down.. ?' Griffin writes of an 1816 "double house" later being "enlarged and raised to that of a two story, much unlike those antique constructed abodes of our honest, good- hearted fathers...The beams of those venerable houses were mostly of white oak, many of them more than 12 and 16 inches square. They were handsomely planed and beaded." Wood was used for things other than house building, of course, but it is interesting that Warren Hall~s recent book of Southold history brings to light the fact that in 1654, only fourteen years after the first settlers, there was such a scarcity of timber in the town of Southold that the town authorities had to enact a law limiting the cutting of timber "from the utmost part of the town westward.., to the furthest point of that neck of land, Plumb Gutt." In 1660 they passed another law to the same effect. About 1717, when there were approximately 24 families living in Oysterponds, a general collection was taken to build a meeting house. The house was built on the north side of King's Highway on land .purchased from David Youngs for five shillings. The original building was about 30 feet square, two stories high, with a steeple surmounted by a gmnecock weathervane. This building served as a church and as a gathering place for civic and social affairs for 100 years. The stocks and whipping post were located nearby, but were sparingly used..In 1818 the old building was torn down and replaced, and in 1843 the present church was erected on the site. The parish was designated as a Congregational Church in 1735-the oldest of this denomination in New York. When Methodism was introduced in Oysterponds in 1802 by itinerant circuit riders, followers of the new movement held services in private homes. By 1836 the Methodists had raised sufficient funds to build their church near the center of the village on land donated by Vincent Youngs. Thus, the Methodist 39 WELL, church is the oldest existant church building in Orient, but not the oldest church society. From the beginning of the settlement, the excellent, sheltered Orient harbor was used for commercial traffic, and by 1720 small lots had been sold nearby to erect houses and several stores. A wharf and warehouse were added by 1740, built by Richard Shaw, and the small village of Oysterponds gradually took shape. A few people were employed as tradesmen and fishermen, but farming remained the principal occupation. During the Revolutionary War the Oysterponds farms were ravished by the British, who periodically occupied the area and continuously controlled the sea approaches. A small fort was erected on the Sound side of Orient Point in 1776 by soldiers under Col. H. B. Livingston in an attempt to ward off British attacks. This was not effective since there were many other places where landings could be made, and the colonists were tmable to maintain a strong force on Long Island. Consequent- ly when British troops were landed in the autumn of 1776 the people were panic stricken; they had heard tales of the cruel- ties of the Hessian mercenaries. Many families gathered their prized possessions and fled to Connecticut, leaving their farms and stock behind. When they returned they found ruined houses and run-down farms, while those that stayed fared much better. Some of those who remained were Tories, while others attempted to be, neutral. For short periods British troops were quartered at Orient Point, and after Benedict Arnold deserted the patriot cause ' he used the area as a base for several raids on Connecticut, including the infamous raid on New London September 6, 1781, and the massacre of over 100 men of the Fort Griswold garrison after their commanding officer had sur- rendered his sword. The War of 1812 also directly affected the community, but the people were mainly inconvenienced by the tight British blockade of harbors at the eastern end of Long Island. Once the war was over, farming and fisliing brought pros- perity to Oysterponds and along with it many newcomers and the fashion of heavy drinking. The two saloons flourished and the two church societies withered. This situation prompted the formation of a temperance society by Rev. Phineas Robinson in 1829, and paved the way for the famous Washington Total Abstinence Society, which was organized on January 15, 1842. From this latter society the Washington's Birthday banquet and dance evolved, and this event was celebrated annually until 1952. (Despite Orienters' conspmuous devotion to the cause of temporance over the years, it's doubtful that the village was left completely untouched by the prosperous rum-running traf- fic prevalent all over Long Island during the Prohibition Era.) In the early days of the settlement, schooling was either neglected or accomplished in private homes. About 1820, a school building was opened on King's Highway. In 1848, for a short time, the basement of a private home in the village was used as a one-room school. The first Point Schoolhouse was erected in 1825, while back in the village other houses served as schoolrooms. There were also private schools. In 1820, Marvin Holmes started one in the building that is now the Country Store. A Miss Amanda classes in her home, which was located on King's Highway. This small school, as well as the second Point School build- ing are both a part of the Oysterponds Museum and are now on the grounds of the Historical Society. The houses which began to characterize Orient in the 18th century were of the type often popularly called "Cape Cod", MAYBE NOT... though here the design influence more likely came over from the Connecticut Colony. They were made in 3-bay and 5-bay styles, a story-and-a-half high, often with the gable story unfinished inside. Early examples had the chimney and fire- places in the middle, and the huge hearth was the center of life in the house, for cooking and eating, for many kinds of work, and for warmth. Three-bay houses with a chimney at one end are sometimes referred to as "half houses", five-bay types are sometimes labelled "double Cape Cods". These simple farmhouse styles were well suited to most of the people in Orient before the middle of the 19th century. They were either farmers, fishermen, or artisans, and these economical, practical houses, made largely of native materials, met their needs. Earlier in the period, houses had a simple cornice that almost coincided with the top line of the windows. Later examples usually show more height between the windows and the cornice, an indication of better head-room upstairs. In a number of these houses, the quaint old rooms are pre- served and still designated by their old-fashioned names-born- lng and minding rooms, winter and summer kitchens, front and back parlors, to name some examples. One of the most memorable personalities in Griffin's Journal was Amon Tabor, who came to Orient in 1730. A master carpenter and builder of exceptional skill and taste, he is the central figure in an annecdote Griffin recounts at length con- cerning the building of pews for a church in Southold, and how Tabor faced down a delegation of inquisitive vestrymen. The story is repeated in the recent book by Warren Hall mentioned above, titled "Pagans, Puritans, Patriots". Amon Tabor continued his work-which included build- lng windmills-until 1785 and his son kept the business going for another twenty years. A number of houses from Southold eastward to Orient Point contain examples of the senior Tabor's classic designs in the form of doorways, mantles, cabinets, interior trim, and at least one whole house has survived. Tabor's designs, naturally, were much copied. Between the 1840s and 1880s, reflecting the greater pros- perity and diversity of enterprises in Orient, homes began to be larger, more elaborate, and in a variety of such styles as Greek Revival, Mansard, Italianate, and Victorian. The oldest surviving structure in Orient is outside the Historic District-a tavern built by John Peakin on the then new road in 1666. Its location can be seefi at No. I1 on the preceding map, with the name of a later owner, Thomas Terry. The Orient Point Inn was originally a small house built about 1672. During the Revolutionary War the building was enlarged and a garrison for British troops was built nearby. Materials from the two structures were put together to form the Inn, and it was opened to the F. Latham, the first proprietor. The lnn became a mecca for Connecticut honeymooners and was often visited by city folks, who were fond of "rusticating" here in the summer- time. Among the famous visitors were: James Fenimore Cooper, who wrote "Sea Lions" with a locale in Orient; Walt Whitman, who conceived part of his "Leaves of Grass" in this area; Daniel Webster, the oratorical patriot; President Grover Cleveland, the fisherman; and Sara Bernhardt, the actress. Unfortunately, at the time of this writing, tlae huge building that was Orient Point Inn is a ruin. It was closed in the 1960s as uneconomical to renovate or operate in its deteriorated con- dition, and since then vandalism has accomplished almost total destruction. Any day now, only the site will remain as a landmark. QUITE SO The Orient Point Lighthouse, located in Plum Gut, marks the end of Oysterponds reef. It was constructed in 1899 at a cost of about $20,000, and is classed as a cylindrical tank or caisson type. Considerable difficulty was encountered in erecting the lighthouse, and most of the base work had to be done at low tide. The tower has a fixed red light and is about 64 feet above sea level. The lighthouse was considered too dangerous for women, so the wife of the keeper usually roomed in Orient. Long Beach, a sandy peninsula extending southwest from Orient Point, forms a sheltered bay along the southern edge of Orient. A deep well (668 ft.) drilled on Long Beach indi- cated that bedrock was found about 660 feet below sea level, and overlying this for about 450 feet was the sand, clay and gravel of the Mesozoic Era. The upper strfita, about 213 feet, were attributed to the more recent glacial deposits of Pleistocene times. At the time of division of Oysterponds, Long Beach was left as common property belonging to all male inhabitants (male chauvinism had not yet been identified). Some people abused the privilege of using the land as a pasture and also cut down many of the trees. As a result, the Long Beach Association was formed in 1774, with a committee to determine who should use the pastures, what rents would be charged and what civic projects would be supported with the revenue. This unique organization held annual meetings and flourished as a benefactor of the community for over 170 years, holding its last meeting for final disposition of funds in 1955. In the early days, rents of two to five pounds per season were charged for pasture lands and beach rights. About 1865 the Atlantic Oil & Guano Company leased a parcel of Long Beach for $500 per year to establish a fish factory, utilizing menhaden (mossbunkers) to make ferti- lizer and fish oils. This enterprise was taken over by the Atlantic & Virginia Fertilizer Company in 1875, and a decade later it became known as the Orient Guano Company. In the meantime, the lease rental had been raised to $1000 per year. The factory went out of existence in 1895, and the Mallard Inn (now delapidated), at the edge of the East Marion-Orient causeway, was made from one of the build- ings moved by barge from this factory. With money from the fish factory and other rentals, the Long Beach Associa- tion had funds to maintain a hearse-ambulance, provide care for cemeteries, monuments and many other civic projects, including the Liberty Pole and publication of a newsletter to servicemen during World War Il. The Association deeded Long Beach to thc State for the establishment of Orient State Park in 1929 and thus losts its source of revenue. The park is four miles long and offers excellent bathing and picnic facilities and is a refuge for wild life. The first road along the beach was destroyed by the 1938 hurricane. The Long Beach Lighthouse was built at a cost of about $17,000 in 1870 to mark the shoal water and sand bar off the southwestern end of the beach. Until it was abandoned, its fixed red light guided ships using Orient and GreenlSort harbors. Popularly called "Bug Light" because it stood above the rocks on spindly steel legs, so that water could pass underneath when winds and wides were high, the square, Mansard-style building was maliciously set afire the night of July 4th, 1963, and completely destroyed. Truman's Beach was known as Hard Beach in Colonial days, and this narrow isthmus of sand and gravel formed tire only land connection to Orient. During storms the sea has BRIEF... washed through this beach to cut off Orient eight times in the last 300 years. For many years a tide mill with a huge water wheel was operated at the mouth of Dam Pond. The sea wall and causeway were built about 1898, and then re- built and extended in 1901 at a Cost of $15,600. They have been repaired many times since, following storm damage. This area has been in the path of many severe storms, which have caused considerable property damage. There were extreme blizzards in 1717 and 1888, which buried some houses to the second story windows, and the blinding gale of 1811 is remem- bered as the Christmas snow storm that wrecked many ships. The tornado of August, 1909 came close, but the hurricanes hit with full force. These were named: The September Gale of 1815, the 1938 Hurricane, the Great Atlantic Hurricane of t944, Carol and Edna in 1954 and Connie in 1955. The Brown's Hill burying ground (No. 10 on the histori- cal map) contains about 54 graves and was used from around 1699 until about 1766. Here, beginning with Gideon Youngs, many of the first residents were laid to rest, and some of the tombstone inscriptions were, according to an early historian, "remarkable for their quaintness and a saintly humor . . ." On July 10, 1845, Griffin made an entry in his journal scolding the community for its neglect of this cemetery. "It is now fifty years since the inhabitants of this place have used it as a burying place. A visit to this solemn spot shows the heartless neglect and inattention of the present generation, respecting even common decency towards the ashes of their honored Christian fathers and mothers. The gravestones are many of them broken and mutilated by time, or beasts, or man... Is it possible that a people, professing civilization and Christianity, can calmly sit and see the affecting desecra- tion of the selected resting place of the first proprietors of their now wealthy and peaceful abodes? The means are assuredly abundant, but the heart is wanting... A genera- tion or two more walking in the selfish steps of the present one, will render this interesting depository of the dust of those progenitors as difficult to be pointed out to the traveler as is now the sites of Babylon or Ninevah." The cemetery is in better shape nowadays since its mainte- nance was taken over by the Oysterponds Historical Society, which came into existence just a hundred years after Griffin's comment. In 1790, the cemetery across the road from the Congre- gational Church was started. In addition, there were estab- lished two private cemeteries along the road to Orient Point (Latham and Terry) and two near Truman's Beach. Orient Central Cemetary was founded in 1858 on land donated by Barzilla Young. The old slaves' burying ground situated on a knoll of Hog Pond Farm contains the graves of Dr. Seth H. Tuthill, his wife, Maria, and 20 family slaves. The Tuthllls wished to be buried with their former servants. The U.S. Census of 1820 lists only one slave in Orient. Slavery was abolished here about 1830. Historically, farming was always the principal occupation in Orient. The first farms of the 17th and 18th centuries were given over to pasture, timber, and tobacco. Soon came the need for hay and corn to feed the cattle and work horses. Chicken and eggs were shipped to New York by boat. The "fallacy of the inexhaustible", which haunts us today, also plagued earlier residents. From time to time the lumber industry was an important part of Eastern Long Island's growth, but ship building used up native oak, locust, and 41 · . .AFTER spruce. After the Industrial Revolution, portable steam saw- mills consumed most of the remaining timber. The land that had been cleared off was also subject to exhaustion, and except for extensive potato farming-some- times as much as half of Orient's 2400 acres-it never really produced much above the subsistence level until after 1870. For story of what developed after that, see pages 22-23. The second major occupation in Orient, commercial and pleasure fishing, has brought many boats to Orient, and hundreds of tons of fish and shellfish have been taken ashore in the Orient harbor, The famous and delicious bay scallops were not gathered commercially until 1857. Oysters were packed and sold from Colonial times, but the cultivation of oysters did not begin until 1872. Market gunning (using woodendecoys first employed by the Indians) provided New York markets with such delicacies as ducks, geese, snipes, plovers~ and as a by-product, down for Orient pillow makers. In 1844, the Long Island Rail Road came to Greenport. This made commercial ties with Brooklyn and Manhattan more efficient and economical, but had little immediate effect on Orient, because the chief purpose of the line was to facilitate passenger travel between New York and Boston. Trains were met at Greenport by steamers, and passengers and goods were ferried to Connecticut to entrain again for Providence and Boston. Orient was bypassed, but eventually the trains began augmenting the trickle of summer visitors who were also able to get here by boat from New York and from the New England side. Because of the increase in travel made possible by more efficient means of transportation, Orient began to absorb some new names into its ancient blood lines. Summer visitors who decided to stay, outsiders doing business in Orient, and immigrants from Germany, Ireland, Poland and the Azores-among other places-presented a microcosm of what was happening in large cities in the United States. Orient could absorb all of these. Many went to farming, others to various crafts and businesses. Orient-from the 1840s to the 1920s was a bustling ham- let. There were over thirty schooners of three, four, and five masted size with local skippers who called the Orient wharf their home port. Commercial structures around the wharf consisted of two hotels, an inn, two general stores, a black- smith shop, carpenter shop, barber shop, Eastern Union Tele- graph, shoe-maker, post office, Justice of the Peace, a grist windmill, and a band house for the Cornet Band, started in 1876. Orient was also a resort community, with more than one large hotel outside the village, and numerous cottages and boarding houses. Summer vacationers were an important trade, and many visitors were captivated enough to come back as permanent residents. Starting from about 35 inhabitants in 1662, the popula- tion in Orient has grown to nearly 900 in 1976. This corre- sponds to about 425 tax-paying households, including "summer people". Much of the increase has come since World War II, after which several sub-divisions were opened and numbers of separate lots were built on. Orienters have always had a special sense of community mixed with their rugged individualism. A variety of organiza- tions-of whicll some were mentioned earlier-have contribut- ed to making Orient notable in this respect. Tile Ladies' ALL Benevolent Sewing Society, organized June 19, 1843, was one of the oldest societies of its kind in New York; it sewed its last seam in 1946. The Daug~aters of America and the Junior Order of American Mechanics were active until the 1970s. The Orient Community Fund raises money for worthy causes, and Orient Community Activities, Inc. maintains Poquatuck Hall as a center for civic and social affairs. The Oysterponds Rod and Gun Club was organized in 1902. The Orient Yacht Club, formed in 1933, is not a fancy club, occupying as it does a former potato shed at the end of the wharf, but it provides auspices for an eight-week season of small sailboat racing during the summer months and offers sailing instruction to children. Both churches have a variety of social and benevolent organizations which meet frequent- ly, and there are Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, and 4-H Clubs. The Parents' Guild of the Oysterponds School-which goes from kindergarten through eigh. th grade-is an active force in the community. Perhaps most important of all is the Orient Volunteer Fire Department, which began in 1894 as the Poquatuck Hook and Ladder Company, joined in 1916 by the Oysterponds Chemical Company. The Fire House, built in 1895, burned in 1938, and the present structure on Orchard Street was erected in its place In recent years, the fire department has provided emergency anrbulance and rescue service, with the most modern equip- ment and constantly updated training for the drivers and attendants. Orient has always looked after its own. In the Bicentennial Year of the United States, despite Orient's growth in population, it is no longer the bustling business community that it was at the time of the Centen- nial in 1876. Activity around the wharf dwindled away in the 1920s, largely due to mass production of automobiles, which eventually led to shipment of produce by truck. Aside from that, the arrival of chain stores at the rail head in Green- port made it possible for people with automobiles to shop there whenever they felt like it. In 1976 Orient has regained much of its rural tranquility and charm; its "business district" now consists of a general store, an ice cream parlor, and the post office. It is hard to know where to end a history like this, be- cause there is always tomorrow. Perhaps it will do to say that village sentiment-at the time of this writing-is in favor of preserving Orient from here on with as little change as possible. The community takes satisfaction in the recogni- tion of the Orient Historic District, and hopes that ultimate- ly the stretch of Main Road from the Village to Orient Point can be declared a Historic Corridor, confirming to the world at large that Orient as a whole is a place worth caring for. Of the above, so much is lifted verbatim--without quota- tion marks--from the history done for the OttS by Dr. George Cottral in 1955, that I must first acknowledge m.v indebted- ness' to him. Secondly, Richard Keogh made an up-dated condensation of Dr. Cottral's work to accompany the Historic District application. A lot of Dick's new material is used here, also without quotes'. 1 have done some editing and amplifying to meet the particular purposes of this book, but without the information available from the two earlier sources. I would scarcely have known where to start. - K.G. II. III. IV. SOUTHOLD TOWN LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION Hearing on Application for Certificate of Appropriateness March 16, 2010 Southold Town Hall, Southold, NY at 4:00 p.m. For JU£1EN and CLAUDIA RAMONE (Represented by Mark Schwartz, Architect) 130 Village Lane Orient NY 11957 SCTM # 1000.t8-5-6 Aflenda Welcome/Open Hearing A. Introduce Commissioners Read Legal Notice of Hearing Give Overview of Chapter 170, Landmarks Preservation, of the Southold Town Code A. Comment on Commission's Purpose/Mission (170-2-B-C (3); (Historically compatible alterations vs. "attractive/appealing" alterations) Need for Applying for a Building Permit/Certificate of Appropriateness (170-6-A-B) A. Review the Headng Procedure (170-7-B) B. Review Cdteda for approval of alteration of facades (170-8-A) 1. The Commission's C of A decision will be based upon the following principle as stated in the Town Code: any alteration of existing properties shall be compatible with its historic character, as well as with the surrounding district. 2. Our criteria include: What did buildings of this period look like? Will this proposal be in keeping with that? Our guide is the building itself, rather than our personal aesthetic sense. C. Review Timeline for Application Process; Commission will expedite process as much as possible 1. Building Inspector's Notice of Disapproval - within one week of application (January 13, 2010) 2. Hold public hearing within 60 days 3° Act on application within 60 days of hearing 4. Applicant sent C of A or denial within seven days of determination 5. Written appeal of Commission's decision by applicant to Town Board within 30 days of Commission's determination 6. No time limit on Town Board's time for deciding on appeal Request Comments from Applicant Request Comments from Public on Application VII. VIII. IX. X. XI. 2 Commissioners' Comments on Application A. We have given the applicant as much guidance as possible in order for him/them to have a complete understanding as to what is needed to make the project approvable. Closing Comments A. Thank applicant B. State that Commission will make its decision within the time frame required by the Town Cede C. Applicant will be advised in writing Close Hearing Reconvene Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) Meeting A. Vote on application for Certificate of Appropriateness B. Record vote in minutes of meeting C. Draft Certificate of Appropriateness including specific concems/mquirements to be approved by Town Attorney prior to mailing to applicant (Can be done in separate meeting.) Close/Adjourn LPC Meeting A: LPC StandanJ Hearing Materials LEGAL NOTICE SOUTHOLD TOWN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, MARCH t6, 2010 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Section 170-7 (b) of the Town Law (Landmarks Preservation), Code of the Town of Southold, the following public hearing will be held by the SOUTHOLD TOWN LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION at the Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, P.O. Box 1179, Southold, NY 11971-0959, on Tuesday, March 16, 2010. 4:00 P.M. JULIEN & CLAUDIA RAMONF Request for a Certificate of Appropriateness under Section 56-7 (b) of the Landmarks Preservation Code, based on the Building Inspector's Notice of Disapproval, dated November 19, 2009 conceming the proposed additions and alterations to a registered landmark building at 130 Village Lane, Orient, SCTM #1000-18.-6-6. The Landmarks Preservation Commission will hear all persons, or their representatives, desiring to be heard at the hearing, and/or desiring to submit written statements before the conclusion of the hearing. The hearing will not start earlier than stated above. Files are available for review during regular business hours. If you have questions, please do not hesitate to contact Leslie Tasca in the Assessors Office (631) 765-1937 or leslie.tasca(~town.southold.ny, us. Dated: February 23, 2010 LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION JAMES F. GRATHWOHL, CHAIRMAN By Leslie Tasca PLEASE PUBLISH ON MARCH 4, 2010, AND FORWARD ONE (1) AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION TO JAMES GRATHWOHL., c/o LESLIE TASCA, ASSESSORS OFFICI- TOWN, P.O.BOX 1179, SOUTHOLD, NY 11971. Copies to the following: The Suffolk Times Historic Preservation Commission Town Board Town Attorney (On Town letterhead) TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION Certificate of Appropriatene~ Date: RE: Ownem: RESOLUTION: WHEREAS, WHEREAS, WHEREAS, WHEREAS WHEREAS, WHEREAS, WHEREAS, December 3, 2007 100 Harbor River Road, Orient, NY 11957; SCTM #1000-24-2-8 John and Martha Watts 100 Harbor River Road, Odent, NY is on the Town of Southold, New York State and National Registers of Histodc Places, and as set forth in Section 56-7 (b) of the Town Law (Landmarks Preservation Code) of the Town of Southold, all proposals for material change/alteration must be reviewed and granted a Certificate of Appropriateness by the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission prior to the issuance of a Building Permit, and an application has been submitted on October 22, 2007 to build an accessory outbuilding as shown on plans and related materials dated October 22 (??), and Commissioners made a visit to the site to inspect the proposed project, and a public hearing for the purpose of considering approval of the proposal was held on November 27, and it appears that the project requires no further review, and the Commission has made the following findings of fact concerning the property and the proposal: The new accessory outbuilding at 100 Harbor Road will be a contributing element of the registered landmark property. · The purpose of the proposal is to provide a garage and storage space for boats and miscellaneous items. The proposed building is 16' X 26' with a 10' deck. The height of the building is 19' to the ridge with a cupola. The proposal is compatible with the existing building and the immediate neighborhood and will not have a substantial adverse effect on the aesthetic, historical or amhitectural significance of the listed landmark. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission determines that the proposal as presented at the public hearing meets cdteria for approval under Section 56-7 (b) of the Town Cede, with the understanding that the applicants and/or their architect will arrange for a demonstration/display of the "sun slate" solar slate roof and the porch railing lines with a white covering. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Commission approves the request for a Certificate of Appropriateness. Signed: Date: December 4, 2007 James F. Grathwohl Chairman, Landmarks Preservation Commission LEGAL NOTICE SOUTHOLD TOWN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, MARCH 16, 2010 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Section 170-7 (b) of the Town Law (Landmarks Preservation), Code of the Town of Southold, the following public hearing will be held by the SOUTHOLD TOWN LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION at the Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, P.O. Box 1179, Southold, NY 11971-0959, on Tuesday, March 16, 2010. 4:00 P.M. JULIEN & CLAUDIA RAMONE. Request for a Certificate of Appropriateness under Section 56-7 (b) of the Landmarks Preservation Code, based on the Building Inspector's Notice of Disapproval, dated November 19, 2009 concerning the proposed additions and alterations to a registered landmark building at 130 Village Lane, Orient, SCTM #1000-18.-5-6. The Landmarks Preservation Commission will hear all persons, or their representatives, desiring to be heard at the hearing, and/or desiring to submit written statements before the conclusion of the hearing. The hearing will not start earlier than stated above. Files are available for review during regular business hours. If you have questions, please do not hesitate to contact Leslie Tasca in the Assessors Office (631) 765-1937 or leslie.tasca@town.southold.ny, us. Dated: February 23, 2010 LANDMARKS PRESERVATION COMMISSION JAMES F. GRATHWOHL, CHAIRMAN By Leslie Tasca PLEASE PUBLISH ON MARCH 4, 2010, AND FORWARD ONE (1)AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION TO JAMES GRATHWOHL., c/o LESLIE TASCA, ASSESSORS OFFICE TOWN, P.O.BOX 1179, SOUTHOLD, NY 11971. Copies to the following: The Suffolk Times Historic Preservation Commission Town Board Town Attorney TIMES / REVIEW NEWSPAPERS ADVERTISING INVOICE 7785 Main Road, P.O. 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Review The Suffolk Times The North Shore Sun Shelter Island Reporter Wine Press 136483 136483 SOUTHOLD TOWN ASSESSOR-LGL #9667 STATE OF NEW YORK) ) SS: COUNTY OF SUFFOLK) Karen Kine of Mattituck, in said county, being duly sworn, says that she is Principal Clerk of THE SUFFOLK TIMES, a weekly newspaper, published at Mattituck, in the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk and State of New York, and that the Notice of which the annexed is a printed copy, has been regularly published in said Newspaper once each week for 1__ week(s), successively, commencing on the 4th day of March, 2010. Principal Clerk Sworn to before me this day of ./~/~.---~ 2010. ~AR - 9 2010 t J ITEM "14" Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission February 2010 Date: Time: Location: Attendees: Feb. 23, 2010 3:00 PM Executive Conference Room, Town Hall Annex, Southold, NY Jamie Garretson (Acting Chairman), Larry Jungblut, Ron Rossi, Barbara Schnitzler, and Doug Constant. Jim Grathwohl and Mel Phaffwere absent. Leslie Tasca attended as Admin. Assistant. Jamie welcomed Leslie to the meeting and the commissioners look fonNard to working with her in the future. The January minutes were reviewed and approved. A motion was made and approved to have the Southold Town Board pass a resolution to recognize the Cutchogue-New Suffolk and Southold Historical Societies on their 50~hAnniversades. The commissioners decided to maintain the membership of the LPC at the present level that is five minimum and a maximum of seven members. It was also decided that additional SPLIA listed properties be considered for Southold Town Landmarks. Local historical societies can provide input to the LPC. A review of accomplishments and future goals was postponed to a future meeting. Jamie gave a brief update on what needs to be accomplished before proceeding to obtain CLG status for Southold. It was decided to postpone this activity due to the present economic situation. Ron is still waiting for state action on the Ben Franklin markers and will once again contact the appropriate state staff. A lengthy discussion took place on the procedure for obtaining a COA for Landmarked properties. The commissioners were asked to submit questions and concerns to Jamie to fonNard to Jim for Town Attorney advice. Next Meeting - February 23, 2010 at 2:00 PM with a public hearing for the Ramone property at 4:00 PM. Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission January 2010 Date: Jan. 26, 2010 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Executive Conference Room, Town Hall Annex, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Ron Rossi, Barbara Schnitzler, and Mel Phaff. Doug Constant was absent. Ms. Leslie Tasca, a part-time employee in the Town Assessors' office was interviewed as a replacement for Damon Rallis. She discussed her background and reasons why she would like to be considered for the position. The commissioners thanked her for her interest and would advise her of any developments. A brief discussion of the Ramone application took place prior to an informal discussion with the applicants and their architect. The Ramones and Mark Schwartz (the architect) presented the commission with their latest drawings for their application. As a result, it was decided to conduct a public hearing in February. A brief discussion among the commissioners took place regarding the conduct of informal discussions with potential applicants and the conduct of Public Hearings. Next Meeting - February 23, 2010 Note: After the meeting the Public Hearing was scheduled for Mamh 16, 2010 as the Ramones will not be available for the February time slot... ITEM "16" TOWN OF SOUTHOLD HISTORIC PRESERVATION APPUCATION Meetings are on the third Tuesday of the month at 3:00 pm in Town Hail, 53095 Main Road, Southold, NY. All applications must have a representative at the headng in order to be re-. viewed. Questions? Call Historic Preservation Commission (631) 765-1800~,'i~//-~.~ Date: January 08, 2010 / / / Property Address: ,o 130 Village Lane, Orient Owners Name: Julian and Claudia Ramona Sections of local laws authorizing review by the Historic Preservation Commis- sion of proposed work on designated town landmark properties are in Chapter 56 of the Southold Town Code. Categories of Proposed Work [3 Repair 13 Storm Windows & Doom la Alteration a Additions & other ~ Painting new construction [] Roofing [] Signs Please attach a detailed description of the proposed work to the application. At the earliest stage of planning of the proposed work, the applicant Should contact the Chairman or Secretary of the Commission in order to establish a dialogue of the proposed work. I understand and agree that no work on this request shall commence until written approval has been given by the Building Inspector if a Building Permit is required. Owner's Signature: Note: Applicants should review Commission Standards before planning work to insure that the application conforms to these requirements. 1. APPLICANT Name: Mark K. Schwartz, AIA - Architect Address: P.O. Box 933 Cutcho~ue, NY Telephonelemail/fax: 734-4185 mksarchitect@optonline, net 734-1220 2. PROPERTY Owner's Name: Julien and Claudia Ramone Address: 130 Village Lane Telephone/e-mail/fax: 646-243-1251 Tax Map Number: 1000-18-o5-o6 Date Acquired by Current Owner: 04/06/07 Status: Local Landmark (x) In Local Landmark District ( ) On National Historic Register or in NHR Dist. ( ) Use: Current: single family dwelling Proposed: same 3. PROPOSED WORK Scope of Work: Rear additions to expand kitchen area, enlarge bay, add fireplace and interior alterations on 1st floor. Raise wall heights at 1st floor and expand for bedrooms. Replace openings throughout. New roof and pergola. Reason for Work: Enlarge house to accomodate family w/three bedrooms, adequate living area, and functional size Kitchen space. Ex. 1st fl ceiling does not meet code, elevated to 8' high. Opngs changed/added for code & energy conservation. Architect/Engineer; Mark Schwartz, Architect Contractor. Sid Beebe Builders Construction Schedule: Spring 2010 start APPLICANT/AGENT/REPRESENTATIVE TRANSACTIONAL DISCLOSURE FORM The Town of Southeld'$ Co<lc of Elhics vmlfibils conOicls of inlcmst on lhe ~ of lown o~ ~ cm~v~[ ~ ~l~ of YOUR N~: Schwa~, Ma~, Kevin ~ ~c, fi~ ~me, middle imfi~l, anless you am app~ing in ~e ~ of NAME OF APPLICATION: (Check all di~l apply.) 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DESCRIPTION OF RELATIONSHIP Form TS I ITEM "17" FORM NO. 3 NOTICE OF DISAPPROVAL TO: Mark Schwartz for J & C Ramone P O Box 933 Cutchogue, NY 11935 DATE: November 12, 2009 Revised: Nov. 19, 2009 Please take notice that your application dated October 27, 2009 For permit for additions & alterations (2nd story construction) to an existing buildinE at Location of proi~erty: 130 Village Lane, Orient, NY County Tax Map No. 1000 - Section 18 Block --5 Lot_6 Is returned herewith and disapproved on the following grounds: The proposed additions & alterations are not permitted pursuant to Article XXIII Section 280-122A which states: "Nothing in this article shall be deemed to prevent the remodeling, reconstruction or enlargement of a nonconforming building containing a conforming use, provided that such action does not create any new nonconformance or increase the degree of nonconformance with regard to the regulation~ p~taining to such buildings." Per Section 280-124, lots measuring less than 20,000 sq. fi. require a minimum front & rear yard of 35' & a minimum side yard of 10'. The proposed construction notes a front yard of 9.3' and rear yard of 20.9' & a side yard of 2'.6'. Pursuant to Walz (5039), such construction will thus constitute an increase in the degree of nonconformance. Also~ per Section 280-124~ the required lot coverage is 20%. The proposed lot coverage will increase from 25.4% to 27.1%. Furthermore, the proposed additions & alterations are not permitted without review and approval by the Southold Town l_atndmarks Preservation Commission, because the property is listed on either the Southold Town, New York State and/or the National Registers of Historic Places and requires review by the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Comminsion. If the requirements of the town code, pertaining to Landmarks (Local Law No. 22) are met, a Certificate of Appropriateness (C of A) will be issued. The C ora is required before a Building Permit will be approved. Information about the requirements for applying for a C of A is available at the information counter in the Building Department Authorized Signature Cc f'de, ZBA, Landmark FORM NO. 3 NOTICE OF DISAPPROVAL DATE: November 12, 2009 TO: Mark Schwartz for J & C Ramone P O Box 933 Cutchogue, NY 11935 Please take notice that your application dated October 27, 2009 For permit for additions & alterations (2nd story construction) to an existing building at Location of property: 130 Village Lane, Orient, NY County Tax Map No. 1000-Section 1~8 Block5 Lot6 Is retumed herewith and disapproved on the following grounds: The proposed additions & alterations are not permitted pursuant to Article XXIII Section 280-122A which states: "Nothing in this article shall be deemed to prevent the remodeling, reconstruction or enlargement ora nonconforming building containing a conforming use, provided that such action does not create any new nonconformance or increase the degree of nonconformance with regard to the regulations pertaining to such buildings." Per Section 280-124, lots measuring less than 20,000 sq. fi. require a minimum fi'ont & rear yard of 35' & a minimum side yard of 10'. The proposed construction notes a front yard of 9.3' and rear yard of 20.9' & a side yard of 2.6'. Pursuant to Walz (5039), such construction will thus constitute an increase in the degree of nonconformance. Also, per Section 280-124, the required lot coverage is 20%. The proposed lot coverage will increase from 21.6% to 26%. Furthermore, the proposed additions & alterations are not permitted without review and approval by the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission, because the property is listed on either the Southold Town, New York State and/or the National Registers of Historic Places and requires review by the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission. If the requirements of the town code, pertaining to Landmarks (Local Law No. 22) are met, a Certificate of Appropriateness (C of A) will be issued. The C of A is required before a Building Permit will be approved. Information about the requirements for applying for a C orA is available at the information counter in the Building Department. / Authorized Signature Cc file, ZBA, Landmark FOWN OF SOUTHOLD BUILDING DEPARTMENT rOWN HALL - ~OUTHOLD, NY 11971 FEL: (631) 765-1802 FAX: (631) 765-9502 ~outhgldTown.NorthFork.net '~x amined ,20 tpproved )/sapproved a/c ixpiration ,20 Itl } ~ ~PLI BLDG. DIP'[ · TOWN OF SOUTHOLD PERMIT NO. BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION CHECKLIST Do you have or need the following, before applying? Board of Health 4 sets of Building Plans plaunmg Board approval Survey Check Septic Form N.Y.S.D.E.C. Trustees Flood Permit Storm-Water Assessment Form Contact: Building Inspector ATION FOR BUILDING PERMIT Date INSTRUCTIONS ,20 a. This application MUST be completely filled in by typewriter or m ~nk and submitted to the Building Inspector with 4 :ts of plans, accurate plot plan to scale. Fee according to schedule. b. Plot plan showing location of lot and of buildings on premises, relationship to adjoining premises or public streets or 'cas, and waterways. c. The work covered by this application may not be cqmmenced before issuance of Building Permit. d. Upon approval of this apphcat~on, the Building Inspector will ~ssue a Bmldmg Permit to the apphcant. Such a permit tall be kept on the premises available for inspection throughout the work. e. No building shall be qccUpied or used in whole or in part for any purpose what so ever untiI the Building Inspector sues a Certificate of Occupancy. f. Every building permit shall expire if the work authorized has not commenced within 12 months afmr the date of ;uancepr has not been completed within 18 months from such date. If no zoning amendments or other regulations affecting the ope~ty have been-~maCted in the interim, the Building Inspector may authot:izd~ in'writi~g, the extension of the permit for an [diti6n aiR mo~ths..Thereafter, a new permit shall be required. . 1 ' ,' '~; ' ', : ' ' APPLICATION IS HEREBY MADE to the Building Department for the issuance of a Building Permit pursuant to the filding Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and other applicable Laws, Ordinances or .~gulations, for the construction of buildings, additions, or alterations or for removal or demolition as herein described. The plicant agrees to comply with all applicable laws, ordinances, building code, h~, and regulations, and to admit thorized inspectors on premises and in buil'ding for necessary inspections. (Signature of app~ ~r name, if a corporation) (Mailing address of applicant) ate whether applicant is owner, lessee, agent, architect, engineer, general contractor, electrician, plumber or builder t (As on the tax roll or latest deed) applicant is a corporation, signature of duly authorized officer (Name and title of corporate officer) dlde~ License No. mab~s License No. ,~ctricians License No. her Trade's License No. Location of land on which proposed work will be done: V" House Number Street County Tax Map No. 1000 Section / O Block Subdivision Hamlet Filed Map No. Lot Lot State existing use and occupancy of premises and intended use and occupancy of proposed construction: a. Existinguseandoccupancy .,,C ttA] (~ (~ ~ ~ ..q l L 14' ,t~,~ ~.~. b. Intended use and occupancy Nature of work (check which applicable): e_w B_u.i],d, ing emoU, o' Repair Removal Estimated Cost Fee If dwelling, number of dwelling units If garage, 'number-6f'ears Addition ~ Alteration Other Work (Description) (To be paid on filing this application) Number of dwelling units on each floor 6. If buSiness c,ommercial or mixed occupancy, specify nature and extent of each type of use. 7. Dimensions of existing structures, if any: Front Rear , ~ , , . , peptt¢).~,: . Height Number of Stories ' Dimensions of same structure with alterations or additions: Front! .~ Depth Height Number ~f S~to [i._e_~ .... 8. Dimensions 0fenti)e. new cohstruction: Front Height Number of Stories 9. Size of lot: Front Rear / Rear Depth 10. Date of Purchase Name of Former Owner 11. Zone or use district in which premises are situated ~ ~- O 12. Does proposed construction violate any zoning law, ordinance or regulation? YES~_ NO 13. Will lot be re-graded? YES __ NO ~ Will excess fill be removed from premises? YES __ NO 14. Names of Owner of premises ~'~,4 ~1 O ~ ~-, Address Name of Architect ~C/-/t,~, ~ 7' F_ Address Name of Contractor Address Phone No. ~' 46- ~43- IZS't Phone No '/J 4' ' ~ f o~-~' Phone No. 15 a. Is this property within 100 feet of a tidal wetland or a freshwater wetland? *YES NO _ . * IF YES, SOUTHOLD TOWN TRUSTEES & D.E.C. PERMITS MAY BE/REQUIRED. b. Is this property within 300 feet of a tidal wetland? * YES NO .t¢ * IF YES, D.E.C. PERMITS MAY BE REQUIRED. 16. Provide survey, to scale, with accurate foundation plan and distances to property lines. 17. If elev~[tion at any point on property is at 10 feet or below, must provide topographical data on survey. 18. Are there any covenants and restrictions with respect to this property? * YES __ NO ~, · IF YES, PROVIDE A COPY. STATE OF NEW YORK) SS: '. COUNTY OF ) /'~/f~,/~' ~. ~_~/-/t iA,/~ tO,, ~"'~ being duly sworn, deposes and says that (s)he is the applicant (Name of'individual signing dontr~,ct) above named, (S)He is the (Contractor, Ageht]C'orpofa~ Officer, etc.) of said owner or owners, and is duly authorized to perform or have performed the said work and to make and file this application; that all statements contained in this application are true to the best of his knowledge and belief; and that the work will be performed in the manner set forth in the application filed therewith. Sworn to before me this Z."'X day of ~..~',,-,.~-- 20~~, Notary Public ALICIA WALKER '~'~."~i~X6i53064 Qualified in Suffolk County Signat~/J~pplicant TOWN OF SOUTHOLD BUILDING DEPARTMEf ~T TOWN HALL SOUTHOLD, NY 11971 TEL: (631) 765-1802 FAX: (631) 765-9502 SouthpidTown.NorthFork.net Examined 20__ Approved Disapproved a~c Expiration PERMIT NO. BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION CHECKLIST Do you have or need the following, before applying? Board of Health 4 sets of Building Plans Planning Board approval Survey Check Septic Form N.Y.S.D.E.C. Trustees Flood Permit Storm-Water Assessment Form Contact: Building inspector ATION FOR BUILDING PERMIT IN T U T,O S ,20 a. This application MUST be completely filled in by typewriter ~)r in (nk and submittec~ to the Building Inspector with 4 sets of plans, accurate plot plan to scale. Fee according to schedule. b. Plot plan showing location of lot and of buildings on premises, relationship to adjoining premises or public streets or areas, and waterways. c. The work covered by this application may not be cqmmenced before issuance of Building Permit. d. Upon approval of this application, the Building Inspbct6r'will issue a Building Permit to the applicant. Such a permit shall be kept on the premises available for inspection throughout the work. e. No building shall be Occupied or used in whole or in part for any purpose what so ever until the Building Inspector issues a Certificate of Occupancy. f. Every building permit shall expire if the work authorized has not commenced within 12 months after the date of i~suance pr has not been completed within 18 months from such date. If no zoning amendments or other regulations affecting the property have been.enacted in the interim, the Building Inspector may authofizd, in writing, the extension of the permit for an additi6n sir moilths. Thereafter, a new permit shall be required. · APPLICATION IS HEREBY MADE to the Building Department for the iss[lance of~ Building Permit pursuant to the Building Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and other applicable Laws, Ordinances or Regulations, for the construction of buildings, additions, or alterations or for removal or demolition as herein described. The applicant agrees to comply with all applicable laws, ordinances, building code, housing code, and regulati,o~s, and to admit auth°rized inspect°rs °n premises and in building f°r necessary inspecti°ns'-~~ ~ (Signature ofapp~ ,r name, ifa corporation) (Mailing address of applicant) State whether applicant is owner, lessee, agent, architect, engineer, general contractor, electrician, plumber or builder Name of owner of premises Jo t... { ~; ~J d ~C Cfi o'~:::~/¢q ! (As on the tax roll or latest deed) If applicant is a corporation, signature of duly authorized officer (Name and title of corporate officer) Builders License No. Plumbers License No. Electricians License No. Other Trade's License No. 1. Location of land on which proposed work will be done: House Number Street Hamlet County Tax Map No. 1000 Section Subdivision Block 0 ~ Lot Filed Map No. Lot State existing use and occupancy of premises and intended use and occupancy of proposed construction: a. Existing use and occupancy .5'/A](~ L ~' ~'~q/l//L ~ /~-~'_ 5'. / b. Intended use and occupancy .~. ,~. ~. Nature of work (check which applicable)' New Building Addition ~' Alteration ~' Repair Removal -l~emo~ilo~r ~" Other Work ~- ~ (Description) Estimated Cost Fee If dwelling, number of dwelling units If garage, 'number of'cars (To be paid on filing this application) Number of dwelling units on each floor 6. If buginess, cgmmercial or mixed occupancy, specify nature and extent of each type of use. 7. Dimensions of existing structures, if any: Front Rear, ':i ' ? ~' c '...Deptt~qt; Height. Number of Stories i~, Dimensions of same structure with alterations or add~bons: Front~ ,..~' ', Rea+ Depth. Height. Number f~t_.or, ies .... _i 8. Dimensions ofe~ti~'e, new construction: Front Rear _ ~ Depth: Height Number of Stories 9. Size oflot: Front ~_.-I~. ,,q'v(~ [/ ~ Rear 7 Depth 10. Date of Purchase Name of Former Owner 11. Zone or use district in which premises are situated 12. Does proposed construction violate any zoning law, ordinance or regulation? YESes_ NO 13. Will lot be re-graded? YES __ NO ~,. Will excess fill be removed from premises? YES__ 14. Names of Owner of premises Jrt,4 ~ 0 a./~ Address Phone No. ~ Name of Architect 5~¢/../Co, ~. T ~_ Address Phone No Name of Contractor Address Phone No. 15 a. Is this property within 100 feet of a tidal wetland or a freshwater wetland. YES * IF YES, SOUTHOLD TOWN TRUSTEES & D.E.C. PERMITS MAY BE/REQUIRED. 9* b. Is this property within 300 feet of a tidal wetland. YES NO k/ * IF YES, D.E.C. PERMITS MAY BE REQUIRED. NOd' 16. Provide survey, to scale, with accurate foundation plan and distances to property lines. 17. If elevation at any'point on property is at i 0 feet or below, must provide topographical data on survey. 18. Are there any covenants and restrictions with respect to this property? * YES NO ~. · IF YES, PROVIDE A COPY. STATE OF NEW YORK) COUNTY OF ) ' ./~,X~,~',J~.. 3~ ~t'/I/~' ,~t/~ ~"~ being duly sworn, deposes and says that (s)he is the applicant (Name of individuai signing contract) above named, (Contracior-, Ageht,/C'orpofat~ Officer, etc.) " of said owner or owners, and is duly authorized to perform or have performed the said work and to make and file this application; that ail statements contained in this application are true to the best of his knowledge and belief; and that the work will be perfbnned in the manner set forth in the application filed therewith. Sworn to before me this 2_"X day of ,2., ~ ~ Notary Public ALIClA WALKER u,,,~,., ~,,~h,..~t~t~ Of New York ..... Qualified in S~ffolk County Cemmi~on Expires SepL /~'~a-/£-~-=~' TOWI~ OF SOUTHOLD PR~OpERTY RECORD CARD AGE NEW FARM NORMAL Acre FARM DATE TOTAL BUILDING CONDITION BELOW ABOVE V~lue Tillable 1 VI LLAGE E COMM. CB. MISC. Mkt. Value REMARKS D~ SUB. ACR. J ,12~, I TYPE OF BUILDING LOT Ti llal)le ~ Woodlond Swampland Brushland House Plot Total FRONTAGE ON WATER FRONTAGE ON ROAD DEPTH BULKHEAD DOCK · ' COLOR xtension Fire Pl~ce ~ff~ p,~. He~t T~e R~f ~z4~ R~ms 1St Floor; arch ~oe~O~ ' ~ ~/~ - //~ =~ ~ Recreetion R~m Rooms 2nd Floor FIN. B. .arch , Dormer ~atage TOWN OF $OUTHOLD PROPERTY RECORD CARD ~ [/ , ,-.. ~PE OF BUILDING ~l~ S~S. VL FA~ CO~M. CB. ~ISC. ~kt. Value ~ND IMP. TOTAL DATE REMARKS AGE BUILDING CONDITION N~ NOR~L BELOW ABOVE FARM Acre Valae Per Value ~re ~otal DOCK COLOR Bldg. ~tension xtension arch 'arch 3reezewoy ~arage Petio D.B. rotat /-5' 0 ~:oundation Basement Ext. Walls Fire Place Type Roof Recreation Room Dormer Driveway Bath Floors Interior Finish Heat Rooms ! st Floor Rooms 2nd Floor Dinette K. LR. DR. BR. i FIN. B. EAST ELEVATION SCALE: 1/4" = 1'-0" EAST ELEVATION SCALE: 1/4" = 1'-0" EAST ELEVATION SCALE: 1/4"= 1'-0" EAST ELEVATION SCALE: 1/4"= l'-0" EAST ELEVATION SCALE: 1/4": 1'-0" S 63'20' '~ N/F £HRLICH ~' WOOD FRAME RESIDENCE N 65' N/F CONSTANT SURVEY OF DESCRIBED PROPERTY SITUATE ORIENT, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD SUFFOLK COUNTY, N.Y. SURVEYED FOR: CLAUDIA JANE RAMONE JULIEN RAMONE TM# 1000-0~8-05-005 L~'C ~ JANE ~AMON/ · c, RAMONE SURVEYED: 18 DECEMBER 2007 SCALE 1"= 20' AREA = 5,990 S,F. OR 0.092 ACRES SURVEYED BY STANLEY d. ISAKS~t~, JR P.O. BOX 294 MAP PR~P^RED SHOW/NC E×ISTINC RESIDENCES ALONC THE WESTERLY SIDE OFFSETS FROM THE STRUCTURES TO TRE PROPE~T~ LINE EOR A D~STANCE OF ZO0' SOUT~IERL¥ OF THE RAMONE RESIDENCE. PREPARED FOR: JULIEN RAMONE CLAUDIA dANE RAMONE RESIDENCE 12°1 12.0 RESIDENCE RESIDENCE FIELD WORK DONE: 24 MARCH 2008 SCALE ?"= 30' SURVEYED BY STANLEY J. ISAXSEN, JR P.O. BOX 294 NEW SU~OLK. N.Y. 11956 c/x~¥b L~c. ~o. ,~9275 08R1647A REVISIONS: VILLAGE LANE STREET ELEVATIONS LOOKING ~X/E ST N/F EHRLICH ~';' N/F LAJ EHRLICH ~(/OOD FRAME HOUSE LANE PORCH $ 26°14'0'' ~g(/57.00' N/F CONSTANT VILLAGE SITE P--~~N ~CALE: :1.,, = 10,.01 NL:~ / EXPAND: I 0 ~OOg NORTH ELEVATION ~ST ELEVATIO~ S~LE: 1/~" = 1'-0" SCALE: 1/~": 1'-0" BRICK CHIMN~ ~TE COLOR ARCHITECTURAL ~OOF ~HINGLE~ NATURAL CEDAR SHINGLE SIDING ~HITE E~ERIO~ TRIM~ORK --;,, - ~ ~ ~ -~_ ~" . ~~~~-: _ ' _ _ . - _Z~ _ . . -~r ' ' ,' " SOUlH ELEVATION WESl ELEVATION S~[E: 1/4" = 1'-0" S~k~: 1/4" = 1'-0" N/F EHRUCH CONSTANT Z N 26°14'0" E 57=0~0/L~ .o 2.6 N/F EHRLICH V,/OOD FRAME HOUSE S 26014'0'' 'gV 57.00' VILLAGE LANE SITE PLAN SCALE: 1"= 10'-0' LEGEND ROOF 1~ TRIM GABLE RAKE ,, £z fz BEDROOM No. 1 '1 BATH I~. 3 (~ PROJECT NORTH PROPOSED 2ND. FLOOR PLAN SCALE: 1/4" = 1'-0' j,, T ,BATH ) LIVING ROOM ~-,-- DEN EX, COVERED POROJ (~ PRO]ECT NORTH 1ST. FLOOR PLAN ~A~.' ~; i'-~ HIP SOFFIT SCALE 1-1/2" = 1'-0" I T1 IZI ~xt¢,J_ ,, tTr ] I Ti -,"r! , , rL.i, NORTH ELEVATION EAST sca,e: 1/4- MATERIAL~: BRICK CHIMNEY ~;LATE COLOR ARCHITECTURAL ROOF SHINGLE~; NATURAL CEDAR SHINGLE ~IDING ~¢~/HITE EXTERIOR TRIM~v¢ORK '11 SOUTH ELEVATION SCALE: :t/4" = 't'-O" ' '1 WEST ELEVATION $6ALE: "1/4" = ~.'-0" A-1 21'-0" GABLE RAKE SCALE i-1/2" = 1'-0" PANTRy 4B" REF, DEN ,I EX. COVERED PORCH 30'-6" 11'-6" 15T. FLO?R ~LAN HIP SOFFIT SCALE 1-1/2" = 1'-0" '~/ALL LEGEND .... -%-__. EXISTING EAST ELEVATION SCALE: 1/4" = 1'-0" r ~','~_~,. I , ~ __ , , , _, [ -"'-"-I1. I!--"q~5-tr~J~ =- !q~ ~ I ~ ~ , I -,~ = ~n-, = = , .............. 'L- , ..... -~-~ ~, ' ...... - ..... ~ ~ =,il-.<~ ~ .... ,[. _ ............. ...... -~'- I .... ..~:.:.: ,.,....,.. I r I .. 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FLOOR S~LE: 1/4" = 1'-0' o ALCOVE STUDY LIVING ROOM '~ REDROOM 2'-6" II II II Il II II i COVERED PORCH: 50'-8" ,, .' FINL~HED ATFIC UNFINISHED A'FI-IC I" ~PRO]ECT NORTH EXISTING 2ND. FLOOR PLAN SCALE: 1/4" = 1'-0' 1Y-o" N ALCOVE ? ~ .2'-6" 30'-6" ~ PRO]ECT NORTH EXISTING 1ST!, FLOOR PLAN ITEM "18" Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission November 17, 2009 Date: November 17, 2009 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Conference Room, Town Hall Annex, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, Ron Rossi, Barbara Schnitzler, and Mel Phaff. Damon Rallis also attended. The October minutes were approved with the addition of "beyond 300" of any landmarked property. Chairman's Comments - Jim would like to have a meeting with the Town Board after the new Board is in place to discuss Landmark Preservation. He will also ask the Town Board to issue a proclamation acknowledging the 50th anniversaries of the local historical societies. Old Business- Jim gave a quick review of the accomplishments of the LPC for 2009. Doug, Jamie and Damon met with Scott Russell and the Asst. Town Attorney to discuss the proposed revisions to the code regarding CLG. As the law is presently working, it is suggested that changes to language be made as necessary. Sensitive issues, such as SPLIA, should be part of an initial phase of discussion with the Town Board. Damon will schedule time for LPC discussion at the Feb. 10, 2010 Town Board workshop. Damon and Ron will add necessary addendums to the applications and the Historic Preservation Handbook regarding alternate energy means. Ron and Barbara will take the next steps in photographing and writing evaluations for NYS assistance with the Ben Franklin markers. Jim reviewed the draft of the Heritage Tourism Initiative and will forward his comments to Geoff Fleming of SHS. New Business - A review of the Ramone residence on Village Lane was made and several concerns, including massing and street scene scales were noted. The meeting was adjourned for a Public Hearing on the Perry residence at 880 Village Lane in Orient. Next Meeting - December 22, 2009 at 3 PM Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission October 20, 2009 Date: October 20, 2009 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Conference Room, Town Hall Annex, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, Ron Rossi, Barbara Schnitzler, and Mai Phaff. Damon Rallis also attended. The September minutes were approved. Old Business- Damon will set up a meeting with Scott Russell and Jamie to discuss the proposed revisions to the code regarding CLG prior to meeting with the Town Attorney and Board. Ron and Barbara stated that NYS finally responded to the request for assistance with the Ben Franklin markers seeking more information which Ron has sent. Awaiting further response. A discussion took place regarding the procedures for conducting Public Hearings along with any informal work sessions. The LPC approved revisions to the Historic Preservation Handbook regarding alternate energy means. Ron mentioned that the Southold Historical Society has been reviewing a draft of the Heritage Tourism initiative and it should be ready for LPC review shortly. New Business - A review of the application for a Cell tower adjacent to the East Marion Fire Department reveals that it is beyond 300 feet of any landmarked property and does not need LPC action. An informal workshop with Kevin Perry took place to review some proposed changes prior to a scheduled Public Hearing on November 17. Next Meeting - November 17, 2008 at 3 PM Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission September 15, 2009 Date: Sept. 15, 2009 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Executive Conference Room, Town Hall Annex, Southold, NY Attendees: Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, Ron Rossi, Barbara Schnitzler, Mel Phaff and Damon Rallis (Building Dept.) Jim Grathwohl was absent. The minutes from the August 2009 meeting were accepted. Old Business- Ron and Barbara still have not heard anything from NYS DOT regarding the restoration and maintenance of the Ben Franklin markers. They will follow -up once more on recent emails. Jamie distributed copies of the revisions to the LPC code recommended by Julian Adams for review and comment. Once the LPC completes the review, changes to the code will be discussed with the Town Attorney for presentation to the Town Board for consideration. Ron reported that the Southold Historical Society is working on the development of the "heritage walking/driving tour." No date for its completion has been established. Mel asked the commissioners to develop cdteria for 'Landmark of the Year' awards for both residential and commercial properties. Mark Schwartz showed some changes made to the Ramone residence and noted some comments by the LPC. He will discuss these comments with the owners before proceeding further. Also it was noted that ZBA action is required for the project. A review of the revised drawings for the Spite house was discussed and approved by the LPC and it was determined that there is no public hearing required for the revisions. A discussion regarding previous actions taken on the Mattituck School House move and the Rose Residence took place. It was determined that the school move should not be addressed by the LPC as it was not a landmarked building, as such, the Administration Permit would be rescinded. An LPC vote on the COA for the Rose house was favorable with 4 - 2 (yes/no) vote. Next Meeting - October 20, 2009 at 3:00 PM. Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission August 18, 2009 Date: August 18, 2009 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Main Meeting Room, Town Hall, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Mel Phaff, Ron Rossi and Barbara Schnilzler. Also attending was Damon Rallis. Doug Constant was absent. Abbreviated minutes from the August meeting were approved. Julian Adams' presentation on NYS Landmarks and the Certified Local Government (CLG) program were discussed and the need for action to be taken on some of his points, including: ,, Revised the code to remove State and/or National Landmarks. All landmarks must be qualified to Southold code, not state and federal. Include the power of the LPC to recommend landmark designation. · Beef up the designation cdteda · Demolition cannot be part of a C of A, it can only be a hardship action · Change the appeal process · Review the Chicago Landmark decision (ref. NY Times articles approx: 6 mos. Ago) Barbara reported on the latest developments of the New Suffolk waterfront and methods being considered to raise funds. Ron discussed the latest developments and recommendations of New York State regarding the installation of solar panels and other energy considerations on landmarked buildings and properties. Basically the installations should be made off of the building if at all possible, and if on the building, it must be out of the public viewing and removable to return the building to its original configuration. Ron also mentioned he is sending letters to the various state highway officials regarding the repairs and maintenance of the "Ben Franklin" markers. He will also try to get an estimate of the costs involved to make a presentation to the Southold Town Board. Administration Permits were issued for the repair of the roofs on Southold Historical Society buildings. A discussion took place involving the movement of an early Ma~tituck school building to the Mattituck Historical Society complex and whether a public hearing will be necessary. A discussion of the changes to the "Spite" house CofA took place and was tabled until more information can be obtained. The meeting was adjourned for public hearings on the Logan Walker Residence and the Rose Garage/VVorkshop. Both of these buildings are in Orient, NY. The next meeting is set for Tuesday, September 15, 2009 at 3:00PM in the Town Hall Annex. Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission July 21, 2009 Date: July 21, 2009 Time: 10:00 AM & 3:00 PM Location: Executive Conference Room, Town Hall Annex, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, and Ron Rossi. Special AM guest - Julian Adams (NYS) Other guests (AM) Supervisor Scott and Jeri Woodhouse. Dudng the AM session Julian gave a presentation on NYS Landmarks and the Certified Local Govemment (CLG) program. Following the presentation a lengthy discussion took place where Julian was able to comment on Southold's present code and how to proceed in obtaining CLG status for Southold. Some of the items included: · Revised the code to remove State and/or National Landmarks. All landmarks must be qualified to Southold code, not state and federal. · Include the power of the LPC to recommend landmark designation. · Beef up the designation criteria · Demolition cannot be part of a C of A, it can only be a hardship action · Change the appeal process · Review the Chicago Landmark decision (ref. NY Times articles approx: 6 mos. Ago) Part of the afternoon session included: Ramone Residence (Odent) discussed their plans to increase the size of their present dwelling on Village Lane. Basically OK, but need further information and drawings Rose Residence (Orient) reviewed the proposed changes along with the variances they had received from other agencies. Found to be acceptable and to go to public hearing. Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission May 19, 2009 Date: May 19, 2009 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Executive Conference Room, Town Hall Annex, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, Ron Rossi, Barbara Schnitzler, Mel Phaff and Damon Rallis (Building Dept.) The minutes from the April 2009 meeting were accepted as there was no Mamh meeting. Jim reported on the SPLIA 2009 Preservation Award presentation on May 3. Old Business - Ron and Barbara sent an email to the NYS DOT regarding the restoration and maintenance of the Ben Franklin markers; however it was returned as undeliverable. Ron will look into a correct address for the Highway contact. Ron and Damon are working on the code updates and will schedule a meeting with the new town attorney, Mr. Finnegan. The attomey will also be invited to attend an LPC meeting, possibly in July. Ron also gave a presentation on the NYS guidelines for alternate means of energy and how they can be incorporated into the Landmark process. The commissioners were given copies to review and prepare revisions to the LPC Landmark booklet. Jamie said that Julian Adams will attend the June 16t~ meeting and luncheon with the LPC and Town Supervisor to discuss various items such as CLG. The regular LPC meeting is planned for 10 AM followed by the meeting with Julian. It is planned to have the meeting in the Executive Conference Room in the Town Hall Annex. Damon will contact the Town Clerk to secure the reservation if the room is available. Ron presented a Southold Historical Society proposal for a "heritage walking/driving tour." A motion was made and approved by all (Ron excused himself) to accept the proposal at a cost not to exceed $1,000. Damon will look into the feasibly of the booklet to be produced in house and the costs. Mel showed the LPC the proposed new Landmark plaques and mentioned a few minor corrections. The plaque design was approved and Mel given the go ahead to order 40 units from Ink spot Printing. .Blake Goble, architect for Leann Nealy (195 Village Lane), submitted new photos and drawings to Damon for the renovation of the property which included dormers on the second level in place of skylights. The "look" of the two dormers regarding the windows and pitch were discussed which were not evident with the previous drawings. The LPC still has questions on the overall project. Damon will contact Blake regarding the concerns to discuss a possible compromise. Jim wants the LPC consider a float for the July 4th parade and will contact Paul Stroutenberg regarding the use of the "Old House" model for the parade. Next Meeting - June 16, 2009 at 10:00 AM. Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission April 21, 2009 Date: Apd121, 2009 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Supervisors Conference Room, Town Hall, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, Ron Rossi, Barbara Schnitzler, Mel Phaff and Damon Rallis (Building Dept.) The minutes from the February 2009 meeting were accepted as there was no Mamh meeting. Old Business - A plaque was presented to owners of the Golder house in Mattituck at the March 24th Town Board meeting by Supervisor Russell as no LPC members were able to attend. Barbara stressed the importance of LPC members attending such meetings to demonstrate the importance of landmarks and encourage owners to landmark their properties where applicable. Ron and Barbara have developed a position letter to obtain funding for restoration and maintenance of the Ben Franklin markers. Once approved, the letter will be sent to the Town Board. Ron and Damon are working on the code updates and will meet with the new town attorney once the position is filled. Of particular interest is the authority of each commission when overlapping, that is the Planning Board, ZBA, Trustees and LPC. Also alternate means of energy must be considered and how they would affect the Landmark process. Jamie is planning to have Julian Adams attend the June 16th meeting and luncheon with the LPC and Town Supervisor to discuss various items such as CLG. The meeting will be held in the Supervisors Conference Room starting an 11:00 AM for a one hour presentation followed by a luncheon. The normal LPC meeting will follow afterwards. Ron stated the Southold Historical Society is developing a proposal for a "heritage walking/driving tour and details will be presented to the LPC when ready. Blake Goble, architect for Leann Nealy (195 Village Lane), submitted new photos and drawings for the renovation of the property which included dormers on the second level in place of skylights. The fascia of the dormers were discussed in detail and a recommendation was made to increase the size of the fascia to be more compatible with the present structure. Blake will take the recommendations into consideration and present the LPC with new drawings at the next meeting. There were no new developments for either the Orient Wharf Company project (on hold from Trustees) and Jeri Woodhouse renovations and these are tabled for the time being. Jim wants the LPC consider a float for the July 4th parade and provided some suggestions such as a model of the "Old House." Next Meeting - May 19, 2009 at 3:00 PM. Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission February 17, 2009 Date: Time: Location: Attendees: Schnitzler. February 17, 2009 3:00 PM Supervisors Conference Room, Town Hall, Southold, NY Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, Ron Rossi, and Barbara Mel Phaff and Damon Rallis (Building Dept.) were absent. The minutes from the January 2009 meeting were accepted with a name change from Elizabeth Peyton to Leann Nealy as the owner of the 195 Village Lane property. Old Business - Jim would like the commission to explore having a Community Info Forum on CLG in the spring along with a float in the $outhold Town Fourth of July parade. Jamie is planning to have Julian Adams attend the March meeting and luncheon with the LPC and Town Supervisor to discuss various items such as CLG. The meeting will be held in the Southold Town Recreation Center starting an 11:00 AM for a one hour presentation followed by an "in-house" luncheon. It was decided to limit the attendees at this meeting. Ron will have the Southold Historical Society start work on a contractual basis for a "heritage walking/driving tour as the LPC budget has been approved. Although samples of various brochures were discussed, no final decision was made. The application for landmark designation of the M/M Golder house in Mattituck was approved and forwarded to the Town Board for final action. Damon will be working with the Town Board to schedule a plaque presentation to the owners at the March 24, 2009 Town Board meeting. Blake Goble, architect for Leann Nealy (195 Village Lane), submitted new photos and action was tabled until a site visit can be made and a meeting with Mr. Goble to go over the project in greater detail. This should occur before a public hearing is held. There were no new developments for either the Orient Wharf Company project (on hold from Trustees) and Jeri . Woodhouse renovations. New Business - The terms for Barbara, Jamie and Larry end on Mamh 31,2009; however all have agreed to serve for another term and their names will be submitted to the Town Board for consideration. Next Meeting - March 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM at the Town Recreation Center on Peconic Lane, Peconic. Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission January 27, 2009 Date: January 27, 2009 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Supervisors Conference Room, Town Hall, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, Ron Rossi, and Mel Phaff. Damon Rallis (Building Dept.) also attended. Barbara Schnitzler was absent. There were not minutes from the December 2008 meeting available. Jim mentioned that the Town Board approved $9,800 for the 2009 LPC budget. Jim also mentioned that he has a catalog of 2009 Professional Seminars in Histodc Preservation and that the Traditional Building Exhibition and Conference will be held in Boston from March 12 until March 14, 2009. He also renewed the membership in the National Trust Forum. Jim mentioned that consideration for a float or similar participation be considered for the Southold Town Fourth of July parade. Old Business - The odginal plaques molds (on loan from the Southold Historic Society) have finally been returned after the Town Attorney informed the molders of possible legal action. Mel stated that Ink Spot would be able to provide 25 new style plaques for $1200 and will go ahead with the order. Jamie is planning to have Julian Adams attend the March meeting and luncheon with the LPC and Tow Supervisor to discuss various items such as CLG. Ron will have the Southold Historical Society start work on a contractual basis for a "heritage walking/driving tour as the LPC budget has been approved. Damon will start to inventory and develop a restoration plan for the Ben Franklin Markers. Consideration for a grant for this work should also be explored. Barbara had prepared a history on the M/M Golder house in Mattituck which showed it to be an example of the late 19 and earl 20 century kit homes from the Chicago House Wrecking Corporation. The application for Landmark has been approved and forwarded to the Town Board. Damon will also set up a schedule for plaque presentation at an upcoming Board meeting. Thero were no new developments for either the Odent Wharf Company project (on hold from Trustees) and Jeri Woodhouse renovations. New Business - Blake Goble, architect for Leann Nealy owner of residence at 195 Village Lane, Orient, presented the LPC with photos and preliminary plans for additions to the existing dwelling. Th~ LPC asked for more photos showing more details of the additions and also stated that the proposed skylights ara not acceptable if they can be seen from the public view. Mr. Goble was told of the LPC Handbook and how he can access it on the intemet. Also preliminary plans for a public headng on April 21, 2009 were discussed. Next Meeting - February 17, 2009. Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission November 18, 2008 Date: November 18, 2008 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Supervisors Conference Room, Town Hall, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, Ron Rossi, Barbara Schnitzler, and Mel Phaff. Damon Rallis (Building Dept.) also attended. The October minutes were approved with a correction of Jamie as contact with Julian Adams instead of Ron. Jim mentioned that the Town Board approved $10,300 for the 2009 budget for the LPC ($18,000 had be requested.) The budget includes the stipend for Damon. Jim also mentioned that Melissa Spiro who is responsible for land acquisition under the Community Preservation Fund doubts if the Town Board would spend any monies on historical projects. Barbara will contact Southampton Preservation Commissioners on how they addressed this issue. The LPC would like the town to aid in the funding to restore the Benjamin Franklin "mile markers." Old Business- Damon had scheduled the presentation of four plaques to recently landmarked property owners at the top of the Town Board Meeting agenda this afternoon at 4:30 PM(Nov. 18) Jim has requested coverage by Suffolk Times. The original plaques molds (on loan from the Southold Histodc Society) have not been returned from the molders as of yet, Damon and Mel spoke with the Town Attorney who will be drafting a letter to be sent to the molder to have them returned within "X" days or legal action may taken· Jim presented the LPC with some guidelines in establishing criteria for Excellence Awards. The commissioners are to give comments to Mel. Jamie will contact Julian Adams to set up a date for a meeting with the commissioners and to discuss various items such as CLG, possibly at the next meeting. Damon stated that the Orient Wharf Company has applied for a wetlands permit with the Town Trustees. Since the wharf is a landmarked property, the OWC needs to contact the LPC as well. The Trustee hearing on this issue is set for Dec. 10. Next Meeting - December 16, 2008 at 3 PM with the possibly of Julian Adams and Jerri Woodhouse attending portions of the meeting. Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission October 21, 2008 Date: October 21,2008 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Supervisors Conference Room, Town Hall, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, Ron Rossi, Barbara Schnitzler, and Mel Phaff. Damon Rallis (Building Dept.) was absent. The September minutes were approved. Jim mentioned that he addressed the Stiding Historical Society (Greenpor[) regarding the Town Code on Landmarks. He also mentioned that Julian Adams (NYS) would be speaking at the Library Achieves group on Oct. 24 in Sands Point, NY if any commissioner would like to attend. Jim also stated that Southampton Town proposed to use Community Preservation Funds from the 2% tax on house sales to restore historic sites in Southampton town. Old Business- Damon has placed on the Town Board Meeting agenda on Nov. 18 time for the recognition of and presentation of plaques to new landmarked owners. Jim will request coverage by Suffolk Times. Copies of the Historic Preservation Handbooks will be distributed to various Town Officials, libraries, architects and interested others. The Handbook along with designated Landmarks are now on the Town Website. The original plaques molds (on loan from the Southold Histodc Society) have not been returned from the molders as of yet, Damon and Mel will again the molder to have them retumed as soon as possible. Applications for the Historic Property Tax exemptions are now included in the application packets. Work on contacting the various town school boards to adopt a similar exemption has been placed on hold due to the present economic situation. The Town Board will approve the application for Landmark status of the GoldsmithFFuthill/Robbins house in New Suffolk at today's board meeting. Ron will contact Julian Adams to set up a date for a meeting with the commissioners and to discuss various items such as CLG. Ron mentioned that the Southold Historical Society would work on the Heritage Tourism Initiative on a contractual basis. Thoughts of having vadous agencies, businesses and the like to share the expense were discussed and will be pursued. The question of restoring the Ben Franklin markers was again discussed along with the possibility of using CPF to cover the costs. Additionally, it was suggested that the Crab Shack on the causeway in Orient be considered for landmark status. Next Meeting - November 18, 2008 at 3 PM Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission July 15, 2008 Date: July 15, 2008 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Supervisors Conference Room, Town Hall, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Mel Phaff, Ron Rossi, Barbara Schnitzler, and Damon Rallis (Building Dept.) Doug Constant was absent. The June minutes were approved with a change that Gordon Prices revised drawings were received and approved by the LPC. Jim said that the annual Southold Town meeting on Fishers Island will be on Aug. 6 and all commissioners are invited to attend. Old Business- The Bucci application for Southold Town Landmark was approved by Town Board. Damon will schedule presentation of plaques at an upcoming Town meeting. A procedure for visiting and inspecting sites before a notice of violation is issued was discussed and Damon will take lead on it as it should go from Code Enforcement to Building Dept. to LPC. The final draft of the LPC Handbook was briefly discussed and all commissioners need to submit final changes to Damon ASAP. A limited number of "in-house" printed copies will be available at the Building Department and a complete version will be on the website. The order for the new Landmark plaque which was approved by the commission is on hold until Jim and Mel meet with Scott Russell. Mel showed the commissioners draft versions of the awards for residential and commercial "Landmark Properties of the Year~ which were approved by the commissioners. Mel will work on finalizing them. Jamie will obtain more information and discuss with state officials the process for obtaining CLG status for Southold Town. New Business - Jim presented the commission with a draft budget for 2009. After discussion, it was basically approved with some minor wording changes. The budget will be submitted to the Town Clerk for presentation to the Town Board at an upcoming budget work session. An application for Landmark designation was received from Joan Robbins of New Suffolk. Barbara will review it and if ok, will recommend that the LPC approve it and forward it to the Town Board for action. Next Meeting - August 19, 2008 at 3:00 PM. Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission June 17, 2008 Date: June 17, 2008 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Supervisors Conference Room, Town Hall, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Doug Constant, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Mel Phaff, Barbara Schnitzler, and Damon Rallis (Building Dept.) Ron Rossi was absent. The May minutes were approved. Old Business - Reviewed the application of Valerie Scopaz for registering landmark at 56755 Main Road, Southold and approved by Town Board. The Bucci application was also approved and submitted to Town Board for approval. Need to schedule presentation of plaques at an upcoming Town meeting. Jamie stated that the Maguire construction was in compliance with approved drawings and OK for issuance of COA. A procedure for visiting and inspecting sites before a notice of violation is issued needs to be developed and implemented. Should go from Code Enforcement to Building Dept. to LPC. The final draft of the LPC Handbook was discussed with some comments received from various Town agencies. The Handbook will be available on the LPC website once approved and a limited number of printed copies available to those interested. Mel showed samples of the new Landmark Plaque which was approved by the commission. Orders for the plaques and other supplies will be placed in eady 2009 per Town Board request. A map of Southold Landmarks is being developed for the website. A letter was sent to Lee Architecture on behalf Gilson stating that the project at 505 State St. Orient does not conform to the documents submitted and approved by the Commission at the Public Hearing on April 16, 2007. An amendment was filed on April 1, 2008 and the LPC approved the revisions. Damon stated that Kevin Perry residence in Orient will not be issued a COA per Perry's request as new plans are being developed which need the approval of the LPC. New Business - A tentative meeting with Virginia Bartos, NYS Historic Preservation rep. is scheduled on July 16, 2008. Gordon Price has contacted Damon regarding changes to the Crary project in Orient which will need review by the LPC when the revised drawings are received. Next Meeting -- July 15, 2008 at 3:00 PM. Southoid Town Landmarks Preservation Commission September 16, 2008 Date: September 16, 2008 Time: 3:00 PM Location: Supervisors Conference Room, Town Hall, Southold, NY Attendees: Jim Grathwohl, Jamie Garretson, Larry Jungblut, Doug Constant, Ron Rossi Barbara Schnitzler, and Damon Rallis (Building Dept.) Mel Phaff was absent. There were no copies of the August 2008 minutes. Jim spoke about the recent Suffolk Times article on vinyl siding problems with a house fire in Greenport. He also discussed the Historical group conference in the Town of Islip and that he will be addressing the Stirling Historical Society in Greenport on Sept. 25 regarding the Southold Town code for Landmark properties. Old Business- Damon will schedule a presentation of Landmark plaques to recent Landmark property owners at the Town Board meeting tentatively set for Oct. 21. The new Historical Preservation Commission Handbooks are available and will be distributed to various Town Officials, Libraries and other interested parties. The Town website will also have copies and users will be able to download sections as needed. A letter will be drafted to Scott Russell outlining various ways Landmark property owners may see some positive steps. This will include suggestions to reduce the vadous fees for the Building Dept, ZBA, and other agencies for Landmarked properties. Additionally a ~fast track" process can be taken as well as the present properly tax exemption for Landmark properties. It was decided to put a hold on pursuing a tax exemption for the various school boards at this time especially with the present composition of school boards. It was felt some of the above steps would be suitable at this time. The appliCation for Landmark status for the Goldsmith/Tuthiil/Robbins property would be presented to the Town Board for their approval. Jamie discussed the steps needed for CLG, the major item is the authority of the LPC to designate properties for Landmark status, and will schedule a meeting of NYS officials at the next LPC meeting so that it can be fully explained and explored. The Southold Heritage Initiative with walking/driving tours of Southold Town was discussed and will be presented to the Southold Historical Society for bid. A sample of the wire to be used on railing of the Watts property in Orient was presented to the commission and it was determined that it will be acceptable and in compliance with the COA. Ron and Damon are continuing on their work with the Code Review and needed updates. Next Meeting - October 21, 2008, time is TBD depending on whether the NYS officials can attend the meeting.