HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-03/08/2010PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
MARTIN H. SIDOR
Chair
WILLIAM J. CREMERS
KENNETH L. EDWARDS
JOSEPH L. TOWNSEND
DONALD J. WILCENSFLI
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MAILING ADDRESS:
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
OFFICE LOCATION:
Town Hall Annex
54375 State Route 25
(cot. Main Rd. & Youngs Ave.)
Southold, NY
Telephone: 631 765-1938
Fax: 631 765-3136
PUBLIC MEETING MINUTES
Present were:
Monday, March 8, 2010
6:00 p.m.
Martin H. Sidor, Chairperson
William J. Cremers, Member
Kenneth L. Edwards, Member
Joseph Townsend, Member
Donald J. Wilcenski, Member
Mark Terry, Principal Planner
Tamara Sadoo, Planner
Kristy Winser, Planner
Carol Kalin, Secretary
SETTING OF THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Martin Sidor: Good evening, and welcome to the Southold Town Planning Board
regularly-scheduled monthly Public Meeting. Our first order of business is to set
Monday, April 12, 2010 at $:00 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold,
as the time and place for the next regular Planning Board Public Meeting.
William Cremers: So moved.
Joseph Townsend: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
Southold Town PlanninR Board Pa.qe Two March 8, 2010
PUBLIC HEARINGS
6:00 p.m. - Geor,qe Penny IV: This proposal is to amend the approved map for the Major
Subdivision of Papadopoulos & Maragos by removing 25' of a 50' right-of-way which was
"reserved for possible dedication to the Town" and which has never been dedicated. The
property is located on the n/e/s/o Kenny's Road, 705.05' n/w/o CR 48, Southold.
SCTM#1000-59-3-17.3
Martin Sidor: If anyone wishes to address this application, please step forward to either
microphone, state your name and address and write down the appropriate information on
the sheet provided. Hearing none ....
William Cremers: I will make a motion to close the hearing.
Donald Wilcenski: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
6:05 p.m. - Mazzaferro, Karen: This is a proposed standard subdivision of a 4.28-acre
parcel into 3 lots where Lot 1 equals 41,994 sq. ft., Lot 2 equals 43,631 sq. ft., and Lot 3
equals 90,023 sq. ft. in the R-40 Zoning District. The property is located at 1450 Horton's
Lane, on the e/s/o Horton's Lane in Southold SCTM#1000-63-1-12
Martin Sidor: If anyone wishes to address this application, please step forward, state your
name and address.
Abi.qail Wickham, Esq.: Good evening, I represent the applicant, Ms. Mazzaferro. The
Board has reviewed this in considerable detail for quite some time. If you have any
further questions about it, or if there is anyone here that might, we'd be glad to try and
help answer the questions. Other than that, I have nothing further. Thank you.
Martin Sidor: Are there any questions from the audience? Please.
Donald Wa.qner, President, Founders Villa.qe Homeowners Association, Youn.qs Ave.
We are to the east of the property in question. I am just here to say it looks fine to us; we
have no objections, and we look forward to a nice new neighbor. Thank you.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak? Hearing none...
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William Cremers: I make a motion to close the hearing.
Joseph Townsend: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
6:10 p.m. - Nickart Realty: This proposal is to subdivide a 34,896 sq. ft. parcel into
two lots where Lot 1 equals 17,438 sq. ft. and Lot 2 equals 17,438 sq. ft. in the R-40
Zoning District. The property is located on the s/s/o County Road 48, approximately
900' w/o Bayberry Lane in Southold. SCTM#1000-52-2-13
Martin Sidor: If anyone wishes to address this application, please step forward, state
your name and address.
Patricia Moore, Esq. This application is a marvel to perseverance because when you
go back to the history of this file, it has been a long time coming to this point. This
application started with the Town back on September 18, 1996. That's when the
property owner, who is still the same property owner, received a Notice of Disapproval
because he proposed to create one lot from this property. The parcel is undersized, no
doubt about that. And it needed to go to the Zoning Board for approval. The Zoning
Board, after careful consideration, looked at the surrounding community; the existing
properties are all developed around this particular property. The lots that surround this
property are 50' x 90', and this particular parcel is next to the motel parking lot. It's
across from the Town Beach. (inaudible) all the cimumstances of this property, it was
reasonable for the Zoning Board to grant a variance. They granted a variance for the
creation of one lot from this particular property. In addition, they created setbacks and
restrictions. All of them have been complied with. The applicant (it was before I was
involved) came to the Planning Board at that point. But the Planning Board said "we're
not sure you're gonna get Health Department, so we're not going to continue to review
this until you go to the Health Department." Lo and behold, years later, October 30,
2006, the Health Dept. approved this subdivision. The map was stamped April 25,
2008. By the time the Covenants were recorded and agreements were made, it
involved purchase of sanitary credits and so, at that point we had Health Dept. and
Zoning Board, and it was time to come back to this Board. On July 14, 2008, we
received sketch plan approval. However, the Planning Board had certain conditions.
The first condition was that we had to have a DEC letter of non-jurisdiction. That was
not a problem; that was obtained very early on. We have Route 48 across from the
Town Beach, so we have a public read DEC jurisdiction cut off there. On the other
side, we have cement bulkheading and homes. So we are well away from the
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jurisdiction of the DEC. Secondly, the Planning Board asked us to obtain an
archaeological determination from the Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic
Preservation. That was quite an undertaking. While the parcel is only 17,000 sq. ft.,
we had to undergo an Archaeological Assessment I and II send it to the State to prove
that we had no archaeological or historic remnants on this property. I think common
sense would have told us that there weren't any, but unfortunately that's the process
and my client paid for it and got a final determination from Office of Parks & Recreation.
They issued a letter on March 20, 2009 stating no impact of this development. We are
now back prior to the Public Hearing there were now recommendations from all sources
which became very confusing and difficult because we had the Zoning Board conditions
and we had the Town Engineer, Planning Staff; everybody was superimposing
conditions and requirements on this project. What we felt we needed to do was have a
simple drawing superimposing all of these conditions and try to analyze which
conditions were the important ones; which ones were appropriate for this property and
which were not. Ultimately, we got to the plan that is before this Board, where we had
agreed that certain landscaping is being provided. We thank Mr. Lipinski, who is going
to prepare a planting list that has been long overdue for the Town, and we are going to
refer, re it as certainly native~-~k~olerant plants, and we are meeting all of the
~/egetative buffers that are r~l'd~ed on this property. For a very small piece of property,
we have gone through a very long, tedious process. But we are finally at a point where
we have a final plan; the subdivision map, while it is a simple one-lot creation, has for
the most part been site planned with all the details. So, at this point we have a plan we
hope the Board will consider favorably, approve it, so that my client after 20 years of
pursuit, can finally enjoy his piece of property. Thank you.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else wishing to address the Board? Hearing none,
we did receive a correspondence that will be admitted to the record.
Joseph Townsend: We received a correspondence signed by Fran Smolceski, Amelia
Smolceski, Joyce Demos, James Smolceski from Southold. They are not able to be
here, but they raise some concerns about this application. It's on file and anybody can
review this letter, which we received today. I move that the hearing be closed.
Kenneth Edwards: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?.
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
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6:15 p.m. - Raphael Vineyards: This amended site plan is for the construction of a
6,244 sq. ft. second winery building on a previously developed and appro, ved 50.4-acre
pamel in the Agricultural Conservation Zoning District. The property is located at 39390
Main Road, on the s/s/o Main Road, approximately 520' west of Indian Neck Lane in
Peconic. SCTM#1000-85-3-11.3 & 11.4
Martin Sidor: Anyone who wishes to address this application, please step forward,
state your name and address.
Abigail Wickham, Esq., Good evening, I am the attorney for the applicant. The
Petrocellis are here this evening. If the Board has any question about the application,
we'd be glad to address it. This is an application for a winery building which would be
located slightly to the east of the main winery building and it would be for a small tasting
room. Mr. Petrocelli would like to put in a type of wine history museum in it as well for
educational purposes for his public that visits. So, if you have any questions, we'd be
happy to try and answer them. Thank you.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else from the audience? Yes?
Muriel Andrews, 772 Indian Neck Lane, Peconic. My property abuts up the winery. I
just have several questions that I'd like to address to the Petrocellis. And that is: what
are you going to do with this building? I mean, you know, none of us have a problem
with you putting up another building, but we have concerns that there will be functions
in this building as well as the main building, so we would just like to find out from you
what your plans are for this building?
John Petrocelli, Owner, Raphael Vineyards: It will be wine tasting, and it will be open at
11:00 and close at 5:00. There will be no music, and it will be basically for information
on the wine industry.
Muriel Andrews: So, there won't be any weddings going on there? It's strictly just small
scale and it will be closed by 5:00?
John Petrocelli: It will be an identical building, but it will be squashed down.
Muriel Andrews: Right, right, right. OK.
Martin Sidor: Are there any other questions from the audience regarding this
application?
Richard Olsen-Harbich, Raphael Winemaker: Just real quick, I think what's proposed
here is something that's very unique; it really hasn't been done before in terms of a
center or a small area that can educate the general public about the North Fork. In
particular, we plan on having some displays regarding climate and soil of the North
Fork, more educational that way, and doing small group tastings. (It will be) a place
where we can bring important customers; let's say when things are much busier in the
winery tasting room, it's often difficult to handle VIP's, visiting dignitaries or special
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customers and that kind of thing. So it will be on a relatively small scale that way, pretty
Iow key. And we also do intend to have tastings available, but again, the winery is the
main place to do that. This is really overflow for special groups, and also some office
space which we desperately need and didn't really have in the other building for record
keeping and so on. No wine making is going to take place there. Special events are
not going to take place there. That's all in the main room. I'm happy to answer
questions from anybody too, if they want to stop by or call and speak to me as well.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else from the audience?
Dave Cichanowicz: I am the adjoining neighbor to the Petrocelli's. I have absolutely no
objection to what they have proposed. They have always done everything better than
needed, and it's a nice improvement for the neighborhood.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else from the audience? Yes?
Richard Tynebor: I live over on Indian Neck Lane. I'm just curious, how many of you
gentlemen live in Peconic? Nobody? I was just wondering. I have some questions: will
there be a parking lot extension, and can you describe to the audience what that
parking lot extension will be?
Abigail Wickham: Yes, in fact the map is out there on the door. In addition to the
existing parking, there will be additional parking in front of this building. It will be
basically camouflaged from the road by the vines that will (inaudible) north of the
parking lot, south of the Main Road. There is also a provision that I believe (inaudible)
for overflow parking should that be required to the east of the building.
Richard Tynebor: How many cars do you speculate to be (inaudible)?
Abi.qail Wickham: They are proposing an additional 30 spaces (inaudible).
Richard Tynebor: And may I ask how far south from the Main Road is this parking lot
going to be extended?
Abigail Wickham: The parking lot will be about 200-250' south of the Main Road.
Richard Tynebor: The only reason I am aware of this is I was told by a neighbor, and I
saw the headng sign, but I was never given anything in the mail which I thought I should
have received. I have a question: will there be an open deck added to the building?
John Petrocelli: In the back there will be a verandah.
Richard Tynebor: Could you give me the size of that verandah?
John Petrocelli: About 14' x 30'.
Gall Wickham: 25.
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Richard Tynebor: OK, So you're going to have a verandah now behind the building
that you're going to construct or behind the existing building?
John Petrocelli: Behind the building we are going to construct.
Richard Tynebor: Now the building that you're going to construct: is that going to be
south of the building that's existing there?
Gall Wickham: No. It'll be east and slightly northward of that.
Richard Tynebor: OK. I guess the question that I have; I remember when Raphael was
first asking for their permit--let me ask you, sir, what year did you first construct
Raphael Winery?
John Petrocelli: (inaudible)would be 1996. We built the building around 1999.
Richard Tynebor: Well, when the building was originally built, or prior to it, when we
had a hearing, I was under the impression that the whole concept of the building was
that they were going to basically develop one wine, and this was going to be a specialty
wine and that was really going to be the extent of it. That was the impression I had;
now I could have misunderstood that. My wife also has the same impression. That's
not the case. Right now, and I am sure all of you are aware of it--and I believe in the
entrepreneurial spirit, but what concerns me is that the impression that I had--having
one wine--ended up being a major catering business where you have weddings and
other activities going on. I guess what concerns me about that is--living out here all my
life, on the south side and over here--I've seen many changes. I really thought that this
winery-as beautiful as the building is--and I'm sure as good as the wine is--has had
certain detrimental effects upon the surroundings. First of all, you have the lighting.
OK, and you can't deal with that. But the noise--the noise. I live way down Indian
Neck Lane, way past that 250'. And 10:30, 10:45 at night, I'll hear "um bop bop" all
types of music. I'm talking about the winery that's on the Main Road. I'll cease and
desist. But I hear this music; I hear laughter. I love laughter. But 10:45, 11:00,
11:15--1 really don't think it's fair to the residents. Now I heard some of the residents
here who said that they have no objection to it, and I respect their feelings. But I like
quietness. I love the beauty. I remember when it was that way out here. That has
changed. Now I have people who are running back through the fields who maybe
sometimes get too involved. It was even to the point when I went down there and I
spoke to the people. I won't get into the situation that I had down there; it was
unbelievable. Again, I am all for business, but I am concerned for our environment; I
am concerned for the peacefulness of the beautiful hamlet of Peconic. I know the
intentions are good to make money; nothing wrong with that--I think it's great. But
when you start having a parking lot 250' off Main Road--cars aren't like they were in the
'50's--everybody has "click click", "beep beep" lights go on, somebody hits the wrong
button, the alarm system goes off. There's a lot of noise. Then you have people who
can't help it--they're noisy. I just don't think that's the right thing. I want to thank you
for the opportunity to express my feelings.
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Martin Sidor: Thank you. I don't know if there are any questions left to respond to. I
think that when you mention lighting: this is something we do go through a process for.
There is no noise ordinance.
Gail Wickham: I think the applicant made it clear that this building is not intended to be
used in the evenings; it's a daytime business. It supplements the existing winery
operation; it's the same type of business. Those of you in farming know that agriculture
is very difficult. They are in compliance with the Code in terms of their zoning
requirements. The parking area is over a couple hundred feet away from the nearest
property owner. Again, in terms of noise, they will do what they can; I think that they
have had discussions with the neighbors over the years, so I've been told. If there were
problems, they make every attempt to correct it; they are a local family and they are all
involved in the business. I think they would continue to welcome those types of
comments if they do occur, not only now but on an ongoing basis.
Richard Tynebor: Again, the concern that I have, and they did state very clearly that
this is going to be more or less an afternoon or late afternoon gathering of wine tasting,
which is wonderful. But I do remember when this original building--I was under the
assumption: one wine. Five o'clock it's done: one wine. Will it be 7:00? Will it be
11:007 Will there be more noise out there? If a neighbor is having a party and they're
going crazy, I don't care if it goes until 2:00 in the morning, because it's one night. But
this is all summer. The reason I ask you is that you don't live there. It's a little bit
different when you don't live there. But just think about it:--how would you like to hear
that every night? Well, not every night, but you hear it on weekends. I would like you to
consider that. I thank you for your time, and if there's anything that I was misgiven on,
I'd like to be corrected for the minutes. If there's anything that I said-since we have an
attorney here-that I'm not being accurate with, I'd like to be corrected.
Gail Wickham: My only response would be in terms of how many wines a company
produces, I don't think that's something that (inaudible) mechanism that the Town has
the ability to control. And I don't really think it's appropriate to this discussion. I think
what you're here to look at is where the building is located, is there enough parking, is
the lighting contained, is this built in accordance with the Town Code in terms of
architectural review, screening, whatever all those protections are that are built into the
Code to try and address any concerns the neighbors might have. I think you'll find the
applicant as we go through this process is very amenable to dealing with any objections
that are valid.
Richard Tynebor: And my point, this will be the end, I heard that same song many
years ago, and it didn't play out to be that same tune. I just don't want to again have
the wool pulled over my eyes. Thank you.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else from the audience? Please.
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Steve Mudd of Mudd Vineyards, Southold: I helped the Petrocellis establish the
vineyard at the beginning. I don't remember this gentleman's name, but I just want to
clarify the confusion on his part. When Raphael's part of their presentation was on one
wine, it was one grape variety, which was Merlot, which is a domineering planting of
that particular farm which we use for a lot of different types of blends. But I just want to
clarify the confusion on this gentleman's part: when he was talking about one wine, it
was one variety of grape which was the domineering varietal to be planted. I thank you
for your time.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else? Yes? Please step forward and sign.
Jim Andrews, 772 Indian Neck Lane, Peconic: About the lighting. You said you had
special provisions for the lighting? When they go on and off? That's my main concern
because there's a lot of light pollution there just to enjoy the stars at night.
Gall Wickham: The Planning Board has requirements that we will have to comply with
both in the architectural review process, which is coming up in the dark skies (inaudible)
considerations. If they ask for a specific lighting plan then we will certainly provide that,
so that you can see just what the effect would be to adjoining neighbors.
Martin Sidor: Thank you.
Gall Wickham: We haven't submitted a lighting plan yet. We are earlier in the process.
I don't think that's been actually given to the Board yet, but certainly it's something that
you I know are going to have to see before we are done with this process. We will
submit it for your review. I know the Board; they are very concerned about that; it's one
of those things they look at very closely.
Martin Sidor: Anyone else wishes to address the Board? Please.
Joe Corso, President, North Fork Chamber of Commerce: I actually came here to
speak under a different matter, but listening to this particular discussion, I just want to
support what they are doing because basically, as we can see out here, the wine
industry has actually rejuvenated the North Fork. As the representative of the
Chamber, we are trying to do everything this year to maintain the momentum. We have
a lot of empty storefronts here and any venture that will aesthetically benefit the North
Fork and provide jobs for people we are in favor of. So I just want to go on record that
the Chamber will be behind this particular venture.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else in the audience?
Richard Olsen-Harbich: Just for the record, I wanted to let the Board know our
vineyard produces only wine from grapes that we grow on our 60-acre vineyard
property, which is not necessarily the case for every single vineyard on the North Fork.
Also, the Petrocelli family has preserved 50 acres of farmland on that property, unlike
many other vineyards on the North Fork. I think that's an important point that we need
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to remember: that property is forever in agriculture that was done many, many years
ago right after we first opened. I think it's an important point: part of our sustainable
vineyard program. Thank you.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Yes?
Muriel Andrews, Indian Neck Road: I just want to say the Petrocellis are great
neighbors. In the beginning, when the weddings first started, we had a lot of issues
with them running really late and really loud and the drunks in the parking lot. But Julie
and I have worked really hard together to try and settle things down. I just want
everybody to know that they're trying. They don't have control of what people do when
they walk out the door of their building. They are there to have a good time; I'm all for
having a good time, too. But Julie has tried to work with us and whenever we've had
problems, Julie will tell you, I'm the first one on the phone to say "what happened last
night?" and they've tried to curtail the weddings to end up earlier. I think that's really
the major issue when you talk about the quality of life. Nobody wants to hear drunks
and car alarms going off at 1:00 in the morning. And that's what happened previously,
but they've worked to curtail that now. So, once again, we love the wine industry, we
love the Raphael family and we want to see them thrive. But we also want to have a
quality of life for the neighbors and I think if we work together like this, we can do it.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else? Hearing no other...
Donald Wilcenski: I make a motion to close the hearing.
Joseph Townsend: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries. Thank you.
6:20 p.m. - Valero Service Station: This site plan is for the conversion of an existing
automotive repair shop and gasoline service station to a 1,206 sq. ft. convenience store
and gasoline service station on an 18,473 sq. ft. lot in the Hamlet Business Zoning
District. The property is located at 28975 Main Road, on the n/w comer of Main Road
and Depot Lane in Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-102-5-26
Joseph Townsend: For this hearing--there may be some interest here--and I see there
are still quite a few people left. I think if you would make your remarks at the podium
and then take your seat and let the applicant respond to those remarks, we could
proceed so that everyone would have a chance to ask questions and express their
opinion. If things come up and you want to come to the podium again, at that point
come up again and ask follow up questions. But I think it's important that everyone
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have a chance to speak and to move the hearing on so that all the issues get dealt with.
That's just my only point. Thank you.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone from the audience wishes to address this
application?
Patricia Moore, Esq.: Would you like us to set up the boards so you can see?
Martin Sidor: Yes.
Patricia Moore, Esq.: I have to apologize that I was brought in late to this party, and I
have the property owners and partners of 808 Realty Corp. here today. I also have Pat
Lenihan from Dunn Engineering. Unfortunately, t he engineer who drew up the site
plan could not be here for personal reasons. So, if there are specific questions that
neither one of us can answer, we may have to defer to him. We'll do our best. When I
first got involved with this project, I did take a look at the history of this property and I
found that back in 1995 this property had a site plan. The site plan was part of the
canopy. The canopy had gone to the Zoning Board and to the Planning Board and
received site plan approval. The gas station has been there for many years, more than
30 years I would say--40 years. What occurred is that come January 1,2010, gas
stations, as I am sure you are aware, the petroleum tanks of all the different gas
stations had to either be replaced or closed up. That was the circumstance the owners
found themselves in; they had to replace the tanks. On May 2, 2008, they applied to
the Building Dept. for the replacement of the tanks. The plans received a Building
Permit; they showed the tanks--in this case we have the two tanks that were placed up
in (1'11 point to it) the northeast area where the underground tanks are--there were two
large tanks. Then a third tank was for the diesel fuel. That was all shown on the set of
construction drawings. In addition, there was new piping that was required, all to the
pump island-that is the brown area towards the south. That is the property where the
existing pump islands were. There was also piping showing to the east of the pump
islands that is just southwest of the building. All of this, as I said, received a building
permit. During that period of time, while this was all occurring, they decided that, in
addition to the standard renovations for the existing gas station, you can see from going
by there, it was painted, the windows were replaced; it really looks attractive. There
was a thought to replace the existing repair bays, there are two existing repair bays that
were being converted to a very small convenience store accessory to the gas station
use. The gasoline sales received a Certificate of Occupancy, but the convenience
store was sent to this board for Planning Board approval for site plan review. That
history I have a memorandum because there's just so much with respect to the history
and all of the circumstances here which I have given to you so after I'm done I'll give it
to you so you're not distracted while I speak. At that point, the property owner was
asked to submit a Building Permit application for the renovation to the existing building.
At that point, 'they were referred for site plan. However, had I been involved at that
time, I would have addressed the Board very differently. First and foremost, we have a
provision in our Town Code, and the specific provision speaks in terms of pre-exisfing
non-conforming uses. In this instance, we have a gas station with a pre-existing non-
conforming use. There is specific language in 280-123A1 that specifically says that
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pursuant to that section of the Code: "a structure containing a non-conforming pre-
existing commercial use may be expanded up to 15% without site plan review." So, this
whole process I think has snowballed at this point and we are here. Practically I will talk
about the site plan that's before you. But as a matter of law, the Code spoke in terms
of not requiring a site plan for this work. There is a secondary provision again, and this
law was passed at the time there was rezoning and so on, and it was to assure existing
businesses that they could reasonably expand-which it was believed legislatively--up to
15% without having to go through a site plan process. And that protection was in the
Code and still remains in the Code. Had this provision been pointed out, they would
have received a Building Permit for the renovation and they could have proceeded at
least to finish everything that's there without the months of process. Ultimately, the
Town Board adopted the convenience store legislation 16 months after the initial site
plan application was submitted. So, as a matter of law, here we are months later; there
is a site plan. But I want to point to the second provision of the Code, and it speaks in
terms of: if you believe that more than 15% of the structure has been expanded--and
there is no expansion here of the structure--but even in the provision where you
expand more than 15%--there is a limited site plan review that's associated with that
project. And a "limited" issue under site plan review is: #1 - "Substantial enhancement
of the overall site landscaping and/or natural vegetation" which has clearly been done
here. #2 - "Employment of best visual practices by upgrades to existing building
facades and/or design of new buildings and/or additions to existing building which
accurately or more accurately depict the historic or existing world character of the
immediate and nearby neighborhood." All that "bla-bla-bla" is: you make the place look
better. And that is the second provision of 281-23; that if you were to expand more
than 15%, you can expand as much as 30%, but you have to go through a limited site
plan review. All that being said; the engineers here cooperated, the owners
cooperated, everybody tried to submit paperwork to this Board to satisfy what they were
being told. Again, as a lawyer, when I went through and I reviewed, it just didn't make
any sense to me; why are we going through this process? So, that being said, it's in the
memorandum, and it's on the record.
With respect to the actual plan that's been submitted to this Board, I am (inaudible) to
Dunn Engineering to go over some of the points that were raised in the Traffic Analysis.
Again, that Traffic Study was done under the belief that we needed full site plan review,
and it's now part of your record.
Joseph Townsend: Pat, I don't understand: are you going to proceed with this, or are
you going to withdraw this? Because we are reviewing it as if it's a normal site plan with
all the same requirements. If you are going to wait for us to deny it and then come back
and say well, you didn't have the right to deny it...
Pat Moore: Here's the situation: it didn't need site plans. The site plan practically has
been given to you, and we can make the site better, which is the goal here. Now, the
gas station use has a CO. So, issues with regard to the pump station and the pumps
are not a site plan issue; we have a Notice of Disapproval that sends us to the Board
for the convenience store. So, we are dealing with the convenience store issue.
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Joseph Townsend: But the new islands: you are saying that's within the 10%?
Pat Moore: That's not a Certificate of Occupancy. The Building D~pt. issued a CO in
accordance with the plans. The plans showed everything in complete detail. That has
a CO. It surprised me when I went through and reviewed it and there were comments
about the pump island when we have a Certificate of Occupancy. So, I'm in a little bit
of a precarious position in that the plan has been submitted to you, we're here at the
Public Hearing. What I'm saying to you is: there was a provision even in the greatest
expansion of 30%, there was limited site plan review. Also, there was a site plan matter
was approved here from 1995. The only change to that site plan arguably was moving
the parking--on that site plan it showed it on the west side--to the northwest side. The
amount of parking that was site planned in 1995 for the repair bays and the gas station
all comply with .......
Joseph Townsend: From my point of view, as one member, I would have to continue to
review this as if it's a normal site plan because we haven't run those options in front of
the Town Attorney. And those questions that relate to these aspects which you say are
not reviewable or shouldn't be reviewable, I am going to proceed as if they are.
Pat Moore: We will address to the extent that we can answer some of the questions
that have been raised.
Joseph Townsend: It doesn't look like a lot of questions will be raised tohight, but ......
Pat Moore: We'll try to answer what we can but, again, we are kind of veering off
outside the scope of what should have been a review process. Again, my
memorandum--I'll give it to you and ask you to read it and look at the Code yourself.
Joseph Townsend: OK.
Patrick Lenihan: Good evening members of the Planning Board. I am an associate
engineer with the firm of Dunn Engineering Assoc. with offices in Westhampton Beach.
Those of you who may not be familiar with me, I am a professional engineer in New
York State and our firm does specialize in traffic and transportation engineering. We
were brought on board by the applicant summer of last year to perform a traffic impact
assessment for the application before you based on the conversations we just heard, I
am going to assume that I am including the pumps in my talking tonight as if the whole
revision to the site plan was new. Whenever we do anything that is likely to have any
traffic level at all, people get worried about the traffic levels that come to the site.
Convenience stores tend to make people's ears raise. So, I want to take a second to
talk in general about the traffic at gas stations and convenience stores. We know from
published data--it's very accepted--we know from surveys that we've done as a firm,
that the vast majority of traffic that visits gas stations and convenience stores are
already on the road passing by. Most people would not get out of bed in the morning
and go for gasoline and go home; they stop on their way to work, they stop on their way
home. And in large part, that's the same story with the convenience store use. In this
case, we are right next door to a 7-Eleven, which is certainly more recognizable and
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certainly much larger. It's going to have a larger selection. So, in this case in particular
we really feel that the patrons that are going to visit the convenience store are going to
be for a vast majority, associated with the gas pumping operation. If there is someone
who just wants to get a convenience item, they are much more likely to go to 7-Eleven
than to go to this Valero Station. But if someone has to make a combined trip, they can
do it here without going back on (Route) 25 and then visiting 7-Eleven. And in that
sense, trips can be even somewhat reduced, or a portion of them. That was not the
case with the previous use of that portion of the building as auto repair. While we
would say that convenience and gas is not a destination--it's a pass-by trip. If you go
to have your car repaired, you need to drop off your car and get picked up. Those are
new trips on the road that add to the traffic on the road itself. With the new pump island
(also from published data), the best predictor of traffic visiting a gas station is not the
number of pumps at the gas station, but it's the traffic on the adjacent street. Again, it
goes back to this convenience issue. The number of people visiting the gas station
depends on the number of people driving by. If they are not driving by, they'll go to a
different gas station. I think in our daily workaday, we probably all do the same thing.
There are specific numbers in the report that I believe was submitted; if you don't (have
it), I have extra copies that speak to this and you'll see that the increases we are going
to see at the driveways-we expect them to be very small. And then again, while there
might be increases at the driveways, even less of that traffic is new traffic. It's traffic
that's here already; it might be going to 7-Eleven next door or the gas station down the
street.
Access and circulation: There has been some question raised regarding the new pump
island on the side of the building. Unfortunately, I think the site engineer sent in some
information to the planning staff that actually showed an issue with the planter on the
side of the building. What I have done in this particular drawing is redo something that
was submitted by the site engineer using some software that we use on sites. It's
called auto-turn. You may have heard of it. It has templates of standard vehicles that
you can show on paper how vehicles traverse a site, egress in and egress out. What
you can see is the one movement that we are worried about: the most difficult one to
perform is this movement on the west side of the new pump island returning to (Route)
25. Now this is a standard 19' long vehicle that comes from a standardized publication
called "Ashtow (?)" which has turning geometry criteria for different kinds of vehicles.
As you can see, we can make that turn without coming near what's referred to as that
planter box. You can see that if I was on the other side of that island-although I didn't
show it because I didn't want them to run into each other--that move is even easier. So
the question is about the circulation around that island. Also today while I was there, I
did this myself in my Jeep. I have a Jeep Commander--it's the biggest one they
mako and I had absolutely no problem. There were also vehicles fueling on the north
side of these pumps and I was able to get past them very comfortably as well. As far
as tanker truck deliveries--I'm going to mention it because again the site engineer had
sent in some previous stuff that, done as quickly as it was, doesn't represent as well as
it should how tanker deliveries get in and out of the site. As you know, this reformulated
site with the tanks on the east side: the tankers have been coming in and out of this site
without a problem for a year and a half. I have some extra copies of these that I'll leave
for the record just to sort of replace what was sent in by the site engineer late last week.
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Access changes: We have been in to the NYS Department of Transportation, which
has control over the driveways on Main Road, at least two times. The second one from
February 1, 2009 is essentially an approval letter in concept, but now they are waiting
for formal detail plans. What they have asked us to do is limit this easterly driveway
near Depot Lane to entry vehicles, and the westerly driveway to exiting vehicles. That's
in keeping with best arterial management practices in that everyone that's making a left
into the site can do so now in this left turn lane; that keeps them free of through traffic.
More importantly, the exiting traffic is as far away from Depot Lane as we can get it.
We don't want people exiting the site right here with any confusion that's also going on
at the intersection of Depot Lane. So, based on our analysis, the new pump and the
convenience store are really not going to add any significant level of traffic. If you want
a convenience store item, you're probably going to go to 7-Eleven unless you want gas.
If you should come in here, you're on the road already. We have some access
changes which are certainly from a traffic safety point of view, a positive. So in sum
total, the modifications to the site-whether you want to consider it the island or the
convenience store--the fact that we have these access changes proposed on (Route)
25--certainly in my opinion results in a better overall site than we have today. That's
the end of my presentation. I'll take any questions if you have any.
Joseph Townsend: The island--does that have diesel gas?
Patrick Lenihan: This island has a diesel pump, yes.
Joseph Townsend: For trucks, State trucks that might have diesel fuel, you're talking
about a turning radius there, isn't that somewhat larger than your Jeep?
Patrick Lenihan: I had a gentleman who works for us who has a very large full-size
extended cab Duelly pickup truck, and he was able to get in and out of there with no
problem when he looked at it back in July. Certainly we wouldn't get any tractor trailers
in here on that end of the building, nor would I think they would attempt it.
Martin Sidor: Thank you.
Patrick Lenihan: Thank you.
Pat Moore: In reviewing your file, I did notice that there had been some comments
regarding emergency access around the building. I would point out that in 1995 there
was the approved site plan with the two automobile repair bays. Here we are actually
removing those repair bays. The building itself is staying exactly the same way it was in
1995 when it was approved. It was grass then, it is grass still today as proposed behind
the building, so emergency vehicles, should they need to get around the back would
just drive over the curb and go around the back of the building. It wouldn't make much
sense to blacktop behind the building, it just takes away from the landscaping which we
are complying with 25% of the property being landscaped. There are no impediments
to access around this property. The diesel pump, as I pointed out before, complies with
all applicable codes and, as far as I can tell from the record, (inaudible). I think there
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was a final issue with regard to the placement of the dumpster. That dumpster can be
moved wherever the Board wishes. I think the most recent drawing had the dumpster
behind the building slightly, and it made sense visually so you don't see it from the road.
But the dumpster is really a minor almost a fixture that you can place pretty much
anywhere on either the east or the west side of the property. Those were some of the
issues that I saw that was more recent. I would point out that--and my clients can
speak with respect to this--I am sure you are aware that gasoline sales, the economic
viability of gasoline sales and the continuation of the gas station is really working on
very marginal profit margin that most of the gas stations what you're seeing is that the
car repairs used to be customarily what came along with the gas station. But car repair
places are going away with the economy, the new cars that are coming in, computers in
the cars and just the repairs are a dinosaur breed. They are something that we need
out here, but most of the car repair places now are independent stand-alone places. As
part of the memo, I went to the Sun Gas Station as an example; it's less than a block
maybe two blocks from our site. At that gas station, gas tanks were recently replaced.
There's a repair facility in the back. I took the photographs showing one bay; this has
two. There's a sea of cars in the back: cars that are waiting to be fixed, cars that are
being fixed. A car repair place is usually an intensive use that requires a lot of parking.
Again, that was site planned in 1995. So the conversion of this space to an accessory
convenience store is really a downsizing of this property and the activities on this
property. Finally, the issue with the Suffolk County Planning Commission, again, had
we not gone through the site plan process, Suffolk County would not have been
involved. Suffolk County Planning Commission came back with a recommendation that
this was an intensification of the site and recommended the denial. It is hard to believe
that they would think that this site, removing two repair bays, would be considered an
intensification of the site to a small convenience store. Again, it was pointed out to be
obvious which is next door to a 7-Eleven, people going for something of a convenience
type shopping are going to go most likely to 7-Eleven. We are dealing with people that
are coming in for gas; they need something, they go in and they get it at the same time
they are there for their gas--filling up. Unfortunately, we're all local, you're local, a
common sense here that the Suffolk County Planning Commission for some reason did
not seem to either recognize the use that is there (or) doesn't understand the way this
operation works; and I would ask that the Board consider an override to approve this
plan. Is there something you wanted to say?
Nick Bartoromeo: I am one of the principals of the firm. Being in the business for 45
years, I've found out that it's critically important having a convenience store operation to
supplement the income. It's been a very competitive industry price-wise. You have a
lot of the larger chains building bigger superstores and I can't stress enough how critical
it is for these extra profit areas to supplement the revenue stream at the location.
Martin Sidor: Thank you.
Pat Moore: Does the Board have any questions for us?
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Martin Sidor: Anyone else in the audience that wishes to address this? Please.
Joe Corso, North Fork Chamber of Commerce: Again, I would like to say we are in
support of this particular project. I am going to keep that pure and simple; I don't have
a lot of the technical information on the aspects of traffic flow and whatnot, but I am
also--I will take off the Chamber hat right now--a resident of Cutchogue. I work in
Cutchogue and I tend to see a lot of the activity that goes on in that general area. It
supports really what the gentleman was saying about the traffic flow. I tend to see a lot
of cars there in the morning fueling up and during the day it's pretty empty--there's not
a lot of activity going on there. What I do see are people now fueling--pulling their car
over into their lot and then walking over to 7-Eleven to buy stuff, which just creates like
a log jam in there. So I think by having a convenience option there, you are going to
eliminate some of the congestion on the property right now; it's something I think you
really need to consider. The other thing, I've seen a number of landscaping vehicles
with their long trailers and they are turning, making all the turns in and out of there quite
comfortably. As opposed to what that property looked like prior to the renovation, it was
horrendous. There were always cars just piled up there sometimes cars waiting to be
repaired would sit there for weeks while they waited for parts. So, from an aesthetic
point of view, it's a much more visually pleasing operation right now and I think it will
take away some of the traffic flow in and out of the 7-Eleven parking lot because that is
probably one of the worst parking lots that we have in Southold Town. There are cars
waiting on the Main Road heading east trying to turn in; you got cars coming from the
west waiting to turn in--it just creates a fairly large log jam. So, if they have another
option which is again very similar to the Sun Station at the other end, I think it's just
going to alleviate some of the traffic backup there during the day. Again, from a
Chamber standpoint and as a concerned citizen, I think it would be a very viable
operation for it.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else wish to address the Board? Pat, are you done?
Pat Moore: Yes, I have a memo for the Board and I'll ask you to consider it. What I
am handing up is the car & truck circulation. As we pointed out, there was one other
submitted by the Engineer, but it was incomplete. We don't know what happened; I
think he ended up with personal circumstances and it was a mess. Very kindly, Dunn
Engineering stepped to the plate and provided what is a professionally done analysis
and we ask the Board to please replace the one that's in the file sent to you with this.
We will welcome whatever questions you might have if additional questions come up.
Thank you.
Martin Sidor: OK. Thank you. Anyone else in the audience? What is the favor of the
Board?
William Cremers: I make a motion to close the hearing.
Donald Wilcenski: Second.
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Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?.
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISIONS, STANDARD SUBDIVISIONS, RE-
SUBDIVISIONS (Lot Line Changes)
Final Determinations:
FIDCO/Flower/Baker - This proposal is for a lot line change where SCTM#1000-10-5-
12.9 will decrease in size from +/-561,924 sq. ft. to +/-404,492 sq. ft., SCTM#1000-10-
5-8.3 will increase in size from +/-369,388 sq. ft. to +/-433,857 sq. ft., and SCTM#1000-
10-5-9 will increase in size from +/-162,478 sq. ft. to +/-169,448 sq. ft. No new building
lots will be created. The properties are located at (no #) private road off East End Road,
Fishers Island.
Kenneth Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution:
WHEREAS, this proposal is for a lot line change where SCTM#1000-5-12.9 will
decrease in size from +/-561,924 sq. ft. to +/-404,492 sq. ft.; SCTM#1000-5-8.3 will
increase in size from +/-369,388 sq. ft. to +/-433857 sq. ft.; and SCTM#1000-5-5.9 will
increase in size from +/-162,478 sq. ft. to +/-169,448 sq. ft. No new building lots will be
created. SCTM#1000-5-12.9 (Lot 44-7) will become more non-conforming while
SCTM#'sl000-5-5.7(Lots 44-3, 3 and 5) and 5.9 (Lot 44-6) will become larger; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board granted Conditional Final Approval on
the above-referenced application on November 9, 2009 subject to the following
condition:
The filing of new deeds with the Office of the Suffolk County Clerk pertaining to
the lot line change and, upon filing, submission ora copy of each to this office;
and
WHEREAS, a copy of the new deeds filed with the Office of the Suffolk County Clerk
pertaining to this lot line change were provided to this office on February 11,2010; be it
therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board hereby grant Final Approval on
the survey prepared by CME Engineering, Land Surveying and Architecture, PLLC.
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William Cremers: Second the motion.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
Conditional Final Determinations:
Tabled:
J. P. Morgan Chase Bank, Mattituck - This proposal is to subdivide a 2.818-acre
pamel into two lots where Lot 1 will equal 49,262.82 sq. ft. in the B Zoning District and
Lot 2 will equal 63,480.41 sq. ft. in the R-40 Zoning District. The property is located at
10300 NYS Route 25, approximately 120' e/o Marlene Lane on the s/s/o NYS Route 25
in Mattituck. SCTM#1000-143-3-33.2
Conditional Final Extensions:
Clark's Beach/Village of Greenport - This proposal is for a lot line change to subtract
6.326 acres (275,537 sq. ft.) from a total pamel area of 14.835 acres (646,205 sq. ft.) of
SCTM#1000-40-01-23 owned by the Village of Greenport and add that land area to
SCTM#1000-40-1-3.1 owned by Suffolk County to be merged into the adjacent Suffolk
County park land of Inlet Point Park. The property is located on CR 48 in Greenport.
Joseph Townsend: WHEREAS, this proposal is for a lot line change to subtract 6.326
acres (275,537 sq. ft.) from a total parcel area of 14.835 acres (646,205 sq. ft.) of
SCTM#1000-40-01-23 owned by the Village of Greenport for Suffolk County acquisition
and inclusion into the adjacent Suffolk County preserved park land of Inlet Point Park;
and
WHEREAS, on September 23, 2008, the Southold Town Planning Board granted
Conditional Final Approval upon the survey map, dated July 16, 2008, prepared by
Nathan Taft Corwin III, Land Surveyor; and
WHEREAS, on February 10, 2010, the applicant requested that the Planning Board
consider granting an extension of conditional final approval for this project to obtain
Suffolk County Health Department approval; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board hereby grant an extension of
Conditional Final Approval from March 23, 2009_to September 23, 2010 for the
above referenced application.
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Ken Edwards: Second the motion.
Martin Sidor:
Ayes.
Martin Sidor:
Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?.
Motion carries.
Sketch Determinations:
Fischer, Daniel - This is a proposed 2-lot standard subdivision of a 1.6682-acre pamel
where Lot 1 would total 36,333 sq. ft. and Lot 2 would total 36,332 sq. ft. in the R-40
Zoning District. ZBA approvals (area and setback) have been granted for this property.
The property is located at 38785 NYS Route 25 in Orient. SCTM#1000-15-8-1.1
Donald Wilcenski: WHEREAS, this proposal is to create a 2-lot standard subdivision
on a 1.6682 acre parcel where Lot 1 is 36,333 square feet and Lot 2 is 36,332 square
feet in the R-40 Zoning District; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Zoning Board of Appeals granted approvals for Lots 1
and 2 for lot area variances and a side yard setback variance on July 30, 2009; and
WHEREAS, an application for Sketch Plan Approval was submitted on September 15,
2009, including the sketch plan prepared by John Metzger, L.S., dated July 15, 2009;
and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board accepted the application for formal
review at their Monday, December 7, 2009 Work Session; and
WHEREAS, on December 15, 2009, referrals for the above-referenced application were
sent to the following for comment:
1. New York State Department of Transportation
2. Orient Fire District
3. Southold Town Engineer
4. Southold Town LWRP Coordinator; and
WHEREAS, on December 15, 2009, the above-referenced application was referred to
the Suffolk County Planning Commission for review; and
WHEREAS, on January 25, 2010, the Suffolk County Planning Department commented
that this was a matter of local jurisdiction; and
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WHEREAS, on February 2, 2010, the Orient Fire District commented that there was
adequate fire protection for this proposed subdivision; and
WHEREAS, on February 4, 2010, the NYS Department of Transportation commented
that the proposed subdivision did not create any issues or concerns for them; and
WHEREAS, on February 16, 2010, the Southold Town LWRP Coordinator determined
that this action was consistent with the Southold Town LWRP policies;
WHEREAS, on February 16, 2010, the Southold Town Planning Board reviewed and
accepted all of the above-referenced comments; and
WHEREAS, on February 16, 2010, the applicant submitted revised maps indicating all
trees on the proposed project site prepared by John Metzger, L.S., dated January 14,
2010; and
WHEREAS, on February 19, 2010, the Southold Town Engineer's comments were
received for this proposed subdivision; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board hereby grant Sketch Approval
on the map prepared by John Metzger, L.S., dated July 15, 2009.
William Cremers: Second the motion.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
SITE PLANS
Final Determinations:
Owen Construction Offices - This proposed site plan is for the conversion of an
existing dwelling to professional offices on a 20,224.28 sq. ft. parcel in the R-O Zoning
District. The property is located at 29025 NYS Route 25, on the n/e corner of Depot
Lane and NYS Route 25 in Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-102-2-12.5
William Cremers: WHEREAS, an application for a site plan was submitted on July 18, 2008,
including the site plan prepared by Charles Thomas, R.A., dated July 15, 2008; and
WHEREAS, this site plan is for the conversion of an existing dwelling to professional
offices on a 20,224.28 sq. ft. parcel in the RO Zoning District; and
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WHEREAS, on August 10, 2008, the Southold Town Planning Board accepted the
application for review; and
WHEREAS, on August 11, 2008, the Planning Board, pursuant to Southold Town Code
§280-131 C., distributed the application to agencies having jurisdiction for their
comments, and the following agencies responded: Town Engineer, Architectural
Review Committee, LWRP Coordinator, Cutchogue Fire Commissioners, Southold
Town Building Inspector; and
WHEREAS, on August 11, 2008, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to State
Environmental Quality Review (SEQR) (6 NYCRR, Part 617.5 (c) (3), determined that
the proposed action is a Type I1 Action, and not subject to review under SEQR; and
WHEREAS, on August 11, 2008, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to
Southold Town Code §280-131 C., distributed the application to the Suffolk County
Planning Commission; and
WHEREAS, the comments from those agencies referenced above were received and
reviewed by the Planning Board, discussed with the applicant, and incorporated into the
site plan to the satisfaction of the Planning Board; and
WHEREAS, on September 02, 2008, comments were received by the Suffolk County
Planning Commission and the site plan was determined to be a matter of local
determination; and
WHEREAS, on November 03, 2008, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to
Town Code Section 280-131 H. agreed to waive the public hearing for uses involving
modifications to existing structures having no substantial change to the existing foot
print; and
WHEREAS, on November 07, 2008, the Southold Town Building Inspector reviewed
the plan and certified that the proposed use as professional offices is a permitted use in
the RO Zoning District; and
WHEREAS, on November 11, 2008, the Town of Southold LWRP Coordinator reviewed
the above-referenced project and had recommended the proposed project to be
consistent with Southold Town LWRP policies; and
WHEREAS, on February 3, 2010, the Suffolk County Department of Health Services issued
Permit Number C10-09-0001 and approved the action; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board has determined that the proposed
action is consistent under the policies of the Town of Southold Local Waterfront
Revitalization Program as outlined in the memo prepared by the LWRP Coordinator;
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Joseph Townsend: Second.
Martin Sidor: Moved and seconded; any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
William Cremers: and be it further RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning
Board grant approval and authorize the Chairperson to endorse the site plan entitled
"Proposed Site Plan for 29205 Main Road" prepared by Charles M. Thomas, R.A. dated
July 15, 2008 and last revised October 23, 2008.
Joseph Townsend: Second.
Martin Sidor: Moved and seconded; any discussion? All in favor?.
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
North Fork Self Storage #2 - This site plan is for the construction of a 23,490 sq. ft.
self-storage building on a 47,166 sq. ff. pamel in the Light Industrial Zoning District
located on the w/s/o Commerce Drive approximately 475' s/o Corporate Road in
Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-96-1-1.2
Kenneth Edwards: I will offer the following resolution:
WHEREAS, this site plan is for the construction of a 23,490 sq. ft. self-storage building on a
47,166 sq. ft. parcel in the Light Industrial Zoning District located on the west side of
Commerce Drive, approximately 475 feet south from Corporate Road, in Cutchogue,
SCTM#1000-96-1-1.2; and
WHEREAS, an application for a site plan was submitted on December 01,2008, including
the site plan prepared by David A. DiGiovanni, R.A., dated November 17, 2008; and
WHEREAS, on January 05, 2009 the Southold Town Planning Board accepted the
application for review; and
WHEREAS, on January 06, 2009 the Planning Board, pursuant to Southold Town Code
§280-131 C., distributed the application to agencies having jurisdiction for their
comments, and the following agencies responded: Town Engineer, Architectural
Review Committee, Cutchogue Fire Commissioners; and
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WHEREAS, on January 06, 2009 the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to
Southold Town Code §280-131 C., distributed the application to the Suffolk County
Planning Commission; and
WHEREAS, on January 06, 2009 the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to Part
617, Article 6 of the Environmental Conservation Law acting under the State
Environmental Quality Review Act, initiated the SEQR lead agency process for this
Unlisted Action; and
WHEREAS, the comments from those agencies referenced above were received and
reviewed by the Planning Board, discussed with the applicant, and incorporated into the
site plan to the satisfaction of the Planning Board; and
WHEREAS, comments were received on January 15, 2009 by the Suffolk County
Planning Commission and the site plan was determined to be a matter of local
determination; and
WHEREAS, on February 11,2009 the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to
State Environmental Quality Review (SEQR) (6 NYCRR, Part 617.5 (c) (3), performed
an uncoordinated review of this Unlisted Action, and, as lead agency, made a
determination of non-significance and granted a Negative Declaration; and
WHEREAS, on April 1,2009 the Town of Southold LWRP Coordinator reviewed the
above referenced project and had recommended the proposed project to be consistent
with Southold Town LWRP policies; and
WHEREAS, on April 13, 2009 a public hearing was held and closed; and
WHEREAS, on April 14, 2009 the Zoning Board of Appeals granted area variances;
and
WHEREAS, or~ May 29, 2009 the Southold Town Building Inspector reviewed the plan and
certified that the proposed use as a public self storage building with an accessory apartment
is a permitted use in this LI Zoning District; and
WHEREAS, on January 29, 2010 the Suffolk County Department of Health Services issued
Permit Number C10-08-0012 and approved the action; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board has determined that the action is
consistent under the policies of the Town of Southold Local Waterfront Revitalization
Program as outlined in the memo prepared by the LWRP Coordinator;
William Cremers: Second the motion.
Martin Sidor: Moved and seconded; any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
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Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
Kenneth Edwards: and be it further RESOLVED, the applicant is required to replace
two trees that were removed from the buffer on Depot Lane. The trees shall be mature
cedars in keeping to what exists;
William Cremers: Second the motion.
Martin Sidor: Moved and seconded; any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
Kenneth Edwards: and be it further RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning
Board grant approval and authorize the Chairman to endorse the site plan entitled
"North Fork Self Storage #2" prepared by Kenneth H. Beckman, L.S. dated October
2008 and last revised May 14, 2009.
Donald Wilcenski: Second the motion.
Martin Sidor: Moved and seconded; any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
Waive Hearings:
Lieb Vines, LLC - This site plan proposes to construct an agricultural storage building,
5,040 sq. ft. in size, for storage of farm equipment related to growing grape vines and
harvesting grapes on 13.7 acres with Development Rights sold in the ^-C Zoning
District. There is one other existing storage building on site, s/o Oregon Road and
approximately 250' e/o Cox Lane, a.k.a. 13050 Oregon Road, Cutchogue.
SCTM#1000-83-3-2.2
Bonds:
Forestbrook at Bayview - This conservation subdivision will subdivide a 37.75-acre
parcel into 7 lots where Lot 1 equals 2.5 acres; Lot 2 - 1.72 acres; Lot 3 - 1.50 acres;
Lot 4 - 1.50 acres; Lot 5 - 1.58 acres; Lot 6 - 2.45 acres and Lot 7 - 25.75 acres. The
Town of Southold acquired fee title of Lot 7 (25.75 acres) for open space purposes.
The property is located in the A-C Zoning District n/o North Bayview Road, 180' w/o
Jacobs Lane in Southold. SCTM#1000-79-2-7
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Donald Wilcenski: WHEREAS, this conservation subdivision subdivides a 37.75 acre
parcel into 7 lots where Lot 1 equals 2.5 acres; Lot 2, 1.72 acres; Lot 3, 1.50 acres; Lot
4, 1.50 acres; Lot 5, 1.56 acres; Lot 6, 2.45 acres and Lot 7, 25.75 acres. The Town of
Southold acquired fee title of Lot 7 (25.75 acres) for open space purposes; and
WHEREAS, on June 14, 2004, the Southold Town Planning Board granted final
approval on the final plat, dated as revised March 8, 2004; and
WHEREAS, on June 14, 2004, the Southold Town Planning Board accepted the State
Bank of Long Island Letter of Credit No. 1510 in the amount $193,810.00; and
WHEREAS, on September 11,2009, the applicant submitted a fire well certificate and
requested that an inspection be done upon the installed fire well in order to release the
bond required for this subdivision in the amount of $193,810.00; and
WHEREAS, the applicant requested that the required bond in the amount of
$193,810.00 be reduced to $0.00 and that a cash deposit in the amount of $15,000.00
be supplied to the Town of Southold to cover the remaining cost of purchasing and
installing a 15hp submersible pump and adapter installation; and
WHEREAS, a performance bond is in place with the Town of Southold for $193,810.00;
and
WHEREAS, on May 16, 2006, the Southold Town Engineer inspected and reported that
all required construction items have been completed in a satisfactory manner with the
exception of the fire well; and
WHEREAS, the remaining improvements necessary to complete the installation of the
fire well will cost $15,000.00; and
WHEREAS, the applicant has agreed to provide cash in the amount of $15,000.00 to
the Southold Town Clerk for the completion of the fire well; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board reviewed this request at the December
7, 2009 Work Session and again at the March 1,2010 Work Session; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend that the Southold
Town Board authorize the reduction of the bond estimate, dated April 5, 2004, from
$193,810.00 to $0.00;
Kenneth Edwards: Second the motion.
Martin Sidor: Moved and seconded; any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
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Donald WiIcenski: and be it further RESOLVED, that the applicant shall submit a total
amount of $15,000.00 cash to the Office of the Southold Town Clerk as a performance
bond for the cost of purchasing and installing a 15bp pump, accessories and adapter
mechanisms to achieve adequate fire protection, prior to the reduction of the bond;
William Cremers: Second the motion.
Martin Sidor: Moved and seconded; any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
Donald Wilcenski: and be it further RESOLVED, that upon submittal and acceptance of
the $15,000.00 cash to the Office of the Southold Town Clerk, the Southold Town
Planning Board recommends that the Southold Town Board release the Letter of Credit
No. 1510 established by the State Bank of Long Island.
William Cremers: Second the motion.
Martin Sidor: Moved and seconded; any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Martin Sidor: We need a motion to approve the Planning Board minutes of February 8,
2010, February 14, 2000, January 24, 2000, January 10, 2000, and December 13,
1999.
William Cremers: So moved.
Kenneth Edwards: Second.
Martin Sidor: Moved and seconded; any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries. We need a motion to adjourn.
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William Cremers: So moved.
Donald Wilcenski: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Marlin Sidor: Motion carries.
There being no further business to come before the meeting, it was ADJOURNED at
7:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
I'~nda Randolph, Transcri lng ry
H. Sidor, Chair