HomeMy WebLinkAbout1000-33.-3-19.4 OFFICE LOCATION:
Town Hall Annex
54375 State Route 25
(cor. Main Rd. & Youngs Ave.)
Southold, NY
MAILING ADDRESS:
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
Telephone: 631 765-1938
F~x: 631 765-3136
LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM COORDINATOR
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
To: James Dinizio, Chair
Town of Southold Zoning Board of Appeals
From: Mark Terry, Principal Planner ~
LWRP Coordinator
Date: March 28, 2007
ZBA File Ref. No. 5912 (Seeley)
SCTM#1000- 33-3-19.4
The proposed action has been reviewed to Chapter 268, Waterfront Consistency Review of the Town of
Southold Town Code and the Local Waterfront Revitalization Program (LWRP) Policy Standards. Based
upon the information provided on the LWRP Consistency Assessment Form submitted to this department,
as well as the records available to me, it is my recommendation that the proposed action is
INCONSISTENT with the denoted following Policy Standards and therefore is INCONSISTENT
with the LWRP.
I Policy 6 Protect and restore the quality and function of the Town of Southold ecosystem.
6.3 Protect and restore tidal and freshwater wetlands.
Comply with statutory and regulatory requirements of the Southold Town Board of
Trustees laws and regulations for all Andros Patent and other lands under their
jurisdiction.
Comply with Trustee regulations and recommendations as set forth in Trustee
permit conditions.
The revised proposed location of the pool is +/- 72.66' and the proposed brick patio is 63' from
the top of bluff line; a minimum setback distance of 100' is required pursuant to Chapter 275,
Section 275-3, D and a minimum setback of 100 feet is required by Article XXIII Section 280-
l16A of the Town of Southold Town Code. Please require that the applicant amend the
application to meet the above policy to the greatest extent possible,
Note that the applicant does not show a pool de-watering drywell.
Please be advised that the proposed action is subject to the Declaration of Covenants and
Restrictions dated February 12, 2001 (See clause 11).
Pursuant to Chapter 268, the Zoning Board of Appeals shall consider this recommendation in
preparing its written determination regarding the consistency of the proposed action.
Please contact me at (631) 765-1938 if you have any questions regarding the above.
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'P.O. Box 154.7
Ri,rerh~ad, t',Pf 11901
CHARLES R. CUDDY
ATT~,- RNE ~. AT
445 GRIF?'ING AVENUE
RIVERHEAD, NEW' YORK
TEL: {631 t 369-8200
F.kX: 1631136q-90S0
E-mail: crcuddy~,e~rthknk.net
March 14, 2000
F~ND DEL/VERED
Planning Board
Town of Southold
53095 Main Road
Southold, N~ 11971
Re: Ro~=ove Estates
Gentlemen:
We are enclosing a certified copy of the recorded-
Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions in the above
subdivision. As indicated, the Declaration was recorded
with the. Suffolk County Clerk on March 8, 2001.
Very truly yours,
Charles R. Cuddy'~
Encs.
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and between SAL CAIOLA and BENNY CAIOLA, JR., both~aving a mailing
address at 230 East 85th Street, New York, New York 10028-3099,
hereinafter referred to as the DECLARANTS:
WITNESSETH :
WHEREAS, the Declarants are the owners in fee simple of
certain real property situate at Greenport, Town of Southold,
County of Suffolk, State of New York, known and designated on the
Suffolk County Tax Map as District 1000, Section 33, Block 3, Lot
19, and more particularly described on the annexed Schedule A, and
WHEREAS, for and in consideration of continuing the
subdivision approval the Planning Board of the Town of Southold has
deemed it to be for the best interests of the Town of $outhold, the
owners and prospective owners of said lots that the within
covenants and restrictions be imposed on said lots, and that said
Planning Board has required that the within Declaration be recorded
in the Suffolk County Clerk's Office, and
WHEREAS, the Declarants have oonsidered the foregoing and has
determined that same will be in the best interests of the
Declarant$ and subsequent owners of said lots,
NOW, THEREFORE, THIS DECLARATION WITNESSETH:
That the Declarants for the purpose of carrying out the
intentions above expressed, does hereby make known, admit, publish,
covenant, and agree that the lots within said subdivision map shall
(10) foot
Lots 1, 2
directly,
approvals.
hereafter be subject to the following covenants and restrictions as
herein cited, which shall run with the land and shall be binding
upon all purchasers and holders of said premises, their heirs,
executor~, legal representatives, distributees, successors, and
assigns, to wit:
1. A Homeowners Association to be created for Rockcove
Estates subdivision will improve and maintain the roads and road
drainage structures and facilities and provide for upkeep of same
until accepted by the Town of $outhold. The Homeowners Association
shall also own the beach property to the north of Lot 3, from the
southern edge of the walkway down the bluff face to the high water
mark, together with the walkway located between Lots 3 and 4.
There shall be no vehicle access, or parking allowed within the ten
wide walkway providing access to'the beach property.
and 4 shall have the right to access the water front
subject to obtaining all applicable permits and
2. The use and development of that portion designated as Open
Space Easement Area on Lot No. 19 of Rockcove Estates subdivision,
will forever be restricted to some or all of the following:
a) Farming operations and activities (including
soil preparation, cultivation, fertilization, irrigation, pest
control, and drainage control) and any other normal and customary
farming operations; and the use of farm vehicles and equipment in
connection therewith, all as designed and intended to promote and
enhance agricultural production encompassing the production for
commercial purposes of field crops (including without limitation,
corn, wheat, oats, rye, barley, hay, potatoes and dry beans);
fruits (including without limitation, apples, peaches, grapes,
cherries and berries); vegetables (including without limitation,
tomatoes, snap bea~s, cabbage, carrots, beets, cauliflower,
broccoli andonions); horticultural specialties (including without
limitation, nursery stock, ornamental shrubs and ornamental trees
and flowers); and all other farm products;
b) Open fallow;
c) Operations, encompassing the maintenance of
livestock and livestock productions (including cattle, sheep,
goats, horses and poultry) which are found acceptable and
reasonably necessary by the Planning Board;
d) Landscaped, wooded areas with lanee, walkways,
foot paths, ponds or brooks and recreational areas for compatible
recreational uses, which are found acceptable and reasonably
necessary by the Planning Board and which are subject to approval
by the Planning Board.
3. The following shall be adhered to on that portion of Lot
No. 19 outside the Building Envelope whidh is designated as Open
Space Easement Area for the purposes of preventing the loss of the
aesthetic open space and the agricultural value of said premises:
a) If at any time the ownership of the area shall
change, or the use of the area shall be changed from the use
present at the time of subdivision approval, (fallow farmland) or
any subsequently approved use, to any other type'of farm use in
accordance with this Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions, a
conservation plan shall be developed by the Soil Conservation
Service for this particular property.
then comply in all respects to this report,
compliance with all updates of the report.
shall have the right to require updated
necessary.
The farming practices shall
and shall remain in
The Planning Board
reports when deemed
b) No regrading shall be conducted thereon; the
natural contours thereof shall remain generally undisturbed and no
fill or spoil shall be placed thereon.
c) No top soil, loam, sand, stone, gravel, rock or
minerals shall be excavated or removed therefrom or placed thereon.
d) Farming practices shall be such that erosion of
the land is minimized and is in accordance with the standards of
the Soil Conservation Management Plan, and nothing shall be
permitted to occur thereon which would result in increased erosion
of said premises.
e) No streets, roadways or other right of ways for
non-farming vehicular use shall be constructed or granted thereon.
f) Except as may be required for reasons of
irrigation, drainage, sanitation or disease control, no trees,
plants or other vegetation located thereon, shall be killed,
destroyed, cut or removed therefrom.
g} No dumping, placement, storage or burning of any
liquid or solid waste, garbage, ashes, sawdust, trash, rubbish,
refuse or other toxic, hazardous, objectionable, unsightly or
offensive material shall be permitted on or within the said
premises.
h) The said premises will forever be'kept open and
free of all signs, bill boards or other forms of visual
advertisement of display.
i) Ail structures, whether temporary or permanent,
shall be located within the building envelope for Lot No. 19 as
designated on the final subdivision plat for Rockcove Estates.
Temporary or permanent structures (including but not limited to
fences) which are deemed reasonably necessary as accessory building
or structures for the utilization of the said premises for bonafide
agricultural production may be allowed, subject to Planning Board
approval.
j) Retail sales shall be restricted to the sale of
items produced on the property, .and shall be subject to Planning
Board approval.
4. a) The drainage easement area located on Lot 19
shall not be obstructed in any manner;
b) The Homeowners Association created for Rockcove
Estates subdivision shall have the right to use the drainage
easement area to access the recharge area if the roads and drainage
area have not been dedicated to the Town of Southold. The Town of
Southold shall have the right to use. the drainage easement area to
access the recharge area if the roads and drainage area have been
dedicated to the Town of Southold.
5. That the. Declarants reserve the right to the exclusive use
and possession of the area known as the Open Space Easement Area,
to the extent not inconsistent with the covenants and restrictions
hereinabove set forth; and Declarants or future owner(s) may
exclude the general public or any designated person or persons from
the use of or entry upon the said Open Space Easement Area, except
that the town shall have the continuing right to inspect the said
area to the extent reasonably required to monitor compliance and
determine that the covenants, terms and provisions herein have not
been violated, such inspection to be performed at reasonable times.
6. Access to proposed Lot 19 shall be from Homestead Way
only. There shall be no vehicular access permitted from lot 19
onto C.R. 48 (Middle Road).
7. There shall be no on-street parking on any street within
the Rockcove Estates subdivision.
8. There shall be no further subdivision of'any lot within
the subdivision in perpetuity. ~
9. No sanitary disposal facility shall be installed or
constructed within 100 feet of the top of the bluff.
10. No stormwater runoff resulting from the development and
improvement of the subdivision or any of its lots shall be
discharged down the face of the bluff in any manner.
11. No grading shall be permitted within 100 feet of the top
edge of the bluff except that which may be necessary to control or
remedy erosion or to prevent stormwater from flowing over the edge
of the bluff.
12. All lots will be required to have individual test wells
prior to approval to construct. Any lot which does not meet the
water quality standards shall not be built upon until public water
is available.
13. The owner shall connect to public water when public water
becomes available.
14. There shall be no transfer of any of ~he lots prior to
the installation of dry water mains and without an acceptable test
well.
15. The Declarants grant the continuing right in perpetuity
to the Town of Southold or any of its designated representatives to
inspect any areas designated as open space, common areas, open
space easements, or any similar nomenclature so as to ensure
continued compliance with the covenants, terms and provisions
designated herein in regard to same and to ensure that such
covenants, terms and provisions have not been violated.
16. Declarants grant the continuing right in perpetuity to
the Town of Southold, any of its.designated representatives or any
owner of property within the subdivision to enforce the conditions
and restrictions of the covenants as they relate to the open space,
common areas, open space easements, or any similar nomenclature and
to take any legal action it deems necessary to enforce the
conditions and restrictions of the covenants. These rights of
inspection and enforcement shsll be binding upon Declarants, their
heirs, executors, legal representatives, distributees, successors,
assigns and transferees.
17. These covenants and restrictions can be modified only at
the request of the then owner of the premises with the approval of
a majority plus one of the Planning Board of the Town of Southold
after a public hearing. Adjoining property owners shall be
entitled to notice of such hearing, but their consent to such
modification shall not be required.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Dsclarants above named have executed
the foregoing Declaration the day and year first above w~-i~en~
STATE OF NEW YORK )
) ss.:
OF SUF O , )
On the /~da,y of ~~" in the year 2001,
before me, the undersigned; persona'ii, appeared
personally known to me, or proved to me on the basis of
satisfactory evidence, to be the individual whose name is
subscribed to the within instrument and acknowledged to me that he
executed the same in his capacity and that by his signature on the
instrument, the individual, or the person upon behalf of which the
individual acted, executed the instrument.
STATE OF NEW YORK )
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK )
On the 7~J--day of ~~. - ~in the year 2001,
before me, the undersigned, persona~y appeared
BENNY CAIOLA, JR,,
personally known to me, or proved to me on the basis of
satisfactory evidence, to be the individual whose name is
subscribed to the within instrument and acknowledged to me that he
executed the same in his capacity and that by his signature on the
instrument, the individual, or the person upon beh/41f o~ which the
individual acted, executed the i~st, ru~ent., /~/1 I/ .
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SCHEDULE A
DESCRIPTION OF PROPERTY FOR ROCKCOVE ESTATES
ALL that certain plot, piece or parcel of land situate, lying and
being near Greenport, in the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk,
New York, bounded and described as follows:
BEGINNING at a concrete monument set on the Northerly line of
Middle Road (also known as North Road) at the Southeasterly corner
of land now or formerly of Keough and the southwesterly corner of
the premises herein described;
Running thence along said land of Keough two courses as follows:
1) North 18 degrees 00 minutes 40 seconds West 200.00 feet to a
concrete monument, thence
2) South 71' degrees 28 minutes 20 seconds West 50.00 feet to a
concrete monum%nt set at the northwesterly corner of said land of
K~ough;
Running thence through the land now or formerly of Burt in a
Westerly direction South 69 degrees 05 minutes 00 seconds West
164.88 feet.to the easterly line of land now or formerly of J.M.S.
Land 9nd Development Corporation at a point on said boundary line
~h~ch is 200 feet northerly from the northerly line of Middle Road;
Running thence along said land of J.M.S. Land and Development
Corporation the two Courses as follows:
1) North 14 degrees 43 minutes 20 seconds West 508.54 feet; thence
2) South 69 degrees 06 minutes West 125.70 feet to a concrete
monument and land now or formerly of H.J.S. Land and Development
Corporation.;
Running thence along land last mentioned two courses as follows:
1) No~th 20 degrees 24 minutes 50 seconds West 343.75 feet; thence
2) North 15 degrees 14 minutes 40 Seconds West 1,186.15 feet to the
ordinary high water mark of the Long Island Sound;
Thence alopg the ordinary high water mark of the Long Island Sound
on a tie line course bearlng North 53 degrees 19 minutes 20 seconds
East 644.22 feet to the northwest corner of land now or formerly of
Eastern Shores;
Thence along land last mentioned two courses as follows:
1) South 14 degrees 44 minutes 50 seconds East 415.0 feet; thence
2) South 1!5 degrees 55 minutes 50 seconds East 1,861.79 feet to
land now ct formerly of Monroe S. Butt;
Thence along land last'mentioned, alonq land now or formerly of
Austin C. Burr two courses as follows:
1) South 71 degrees 28 minutes 20 seconds East 152.73 feet; thence
2) South 15 degrees 54 minutes East 150.0 feet to said Northerly
line of Middle Road;
Thence along said northerly line of Middle Road, South 71 degrees
28 minutes 20 seconds West 92.61 feet to the point or place of
BEGINNING.
REr3]~DED
2001 Bar 08 05:50:24 Pit
£duard P. Ro~,aine
CLERK OF
SUFFOLK COUf.-,'TY
L DO0012!O~,
P 5?5
STATE OF NEW YORK
.?,OUNTY OF SUFFOLK
SS:
I EDWARD P. ROMAINE, CLERK OF THE COUNTY OF SUFFOLK AND CLERK OF THE SUPREME COURT
DF THE STATE OF NEW YORK IN AND FOR SAID COUNTY (SAID COURT BEING A COURT OF RECORD)
DO HEREBY CERTIFY THAT I HAVE COMPARED THE ANNEXED COPY OF, ;
DEED LIBER /~/o/~ ATPAGE ~-?~5' RECORDED
AND THAT IT IS A JUST AND TRUE COPY OF SUCH ORIGINAL DECLAR'I~TIQN AND OF THE WHOLE
THEREOF.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I HAVE HEREUNTO SET MY HAND AND AFFIXED THE SEAL OF-~
COUNTY AND COURT THIS ~ 7~/; DAY OF ,")7,9,¢-~-~ Moo
Office Location:
Town Annex/First Floor, North Fork Bank
54375 Main Road (at Youngs Avenue)
Southold, NY 11971
http://southoldtown.northfork.net
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTItOLD
Tel. (631) 765-1809 Fax (631) 765-9064
Mailing Address:
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971-0959
Mark Terry, Senior Environmental Planner
LWRP Coordinator
Planning Board Office
Town of Southold
Town Hall Annex
Southold, NY 11971
Re: ZBA File Ref. No. 5912 (Seeley)
Dear Mark:
March 12, 2007
We have received an amended map for the pool location on the Seeley project; you had
previously forwarded an LWRP reply dated June 27, 2006, a copy of which is also
attached. Additionally, we have included a copy of the Soil and Water reply as well as
the applicant's response thereto. Finally, a copy of the hearing transcript is also enclosed.
May we ask for your assistance in an evaluation and recommendations for this proposal.
Thank you.
Very truly yours,
JAMES DINIZIO, JR.
JERILYN B. WOODHOUSE
Chair
KENNETH L. EDWARDS
MARTIN H. SIDOR
GEORGE D. SOLOMON
JOSEPH L. TOWNSEND
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MAILING ADDRESS:
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
OFFICE LOCATION:
Town Hall Annex
54375 State Route 25
(cor. Main Rd. & Youngs Ave.)
Southold, NY
Telephone: 631 765-1938
Fax: 631 765-3136
To:
Ruth D. Oliv a, Chair
Town of Southold Zoning Board of Appeals
From: Mark Terry,
LWRP Coordinator
Date: June 27, 2006
Re:
Senior Environmental Planner
ZBA File #5912 (Seely)
SCTM#1000-33-3-19.04
JUN 2 9 2006
The proposed action has been reviewed to Chapter 95, Waterfront Consistency Review of the Town of
Southold Town Code and the Local Waterfront Revitalization Program (LWRP) Policy Standards. Based
upon the information provided on the LWRP Consistency Assessment Form submitted to this department,
as well as the records available to me, it is my recommendation that the proposed action is
INCONSISTENT with the denoted following LWRP recommendations and Policy Standards and
therefore is INCONSISTENT with the LWRP.
The proposed action is inconsistent with Policy 6 for reasons stated below.
Policy 6 Protect and restore the quality and function of the Town of Southold ecosystem.
6.3 Protect and restore tidal and freshwater wetlands.
A. Comply with statutory and regulatory requirements of the Southold Town Board of Trustees
laws and regulations for all Andros Patent and other lands under their jurisdiction
1. Comply ~vith Trustee regulations and recommendations as set forth in Trustee
permit conditions.
The proposed location of the pool and associated structures is +/- 66. from the top of bluff line; a
minimum setback distance of 100' is required pursuant to Chapter 97~ Section 9%12, D.
Note that the applicant does not show a pool de-watering drywell. In addition see grading
prohibition clause in the Covenant and Restrictions attached.
enc.
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
JERILYN B. WOODHOUSE
Chair
KENNETH L. EDWARDS
MARTIN H. SIDOR
GEORGE D. SOLOMON
JOSEPH L. TOWNSEND
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MAILING ADDRESS:
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
OFFICE LOCATION:
Town Hall Annex
54375 State Route 25
(cor. Main Rd. & Youngs Ave.)
Southold, NY
Telephone: 631 765-1938
Fax: 631 765-3136
MEMORANDUM
To:
James Dinizio, Chair
Members of the Zoning Board of Appeals
From: Jerilyn B. woodhouse, Chair
Members of the Planning Board
Date: March 21, 2007
Re: Covenants and Restrictions - Rock Cove Estates
The Planning Board is in receipt of your request for a clarification of the restrictive
covenant which prohibits grading within 1 O0 feet of the top of the bluff, except that
which may be necessary to control or remedy erosion or to prevent stormwater from
flowing over the edge of the bluff.
The proposed action is to install a swimming pool within the 100' area upon which the
Covenant and Restrictions apply. The excavation of soil and the subsequent disturbance
associated with the proposed construction of the pool would constitute grading and is
therefore not permitted. The purpose of this restriction is to protect the integrity of the
bluff, which can be significantly compromised if development is allowed to occur within
this area. Therefore, the Planning Board finds that proposed action would be in violation
of the Covenants and Restrictions.
If you have any questions or need additional information, please contact the Planning
Department.
Cc: Kieran Corcoran, Assistant Town Attorney
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Zoning Board of Appeals
James Dinizio, Chairman
Town of Southold
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
CATHERINE MESIANO, INC.
12 MILL POND LANE
EAST MORICHES, NY 11940
Phonelfax:631-878-8951
FEB I 2007
RE:
Robert Seeley #5912
1250 Sound Drive, Greenport, New York
SCTM # 1000-33-3 -19.04
Dear Mr. Dinizio:
Enclosed please find 7 copies of a letter prepared by Douglas Adams dated January 22,
2007 that addresses the concerns raised by the Suffolk County Soil and Water
Conservation Board relative to the bluff and purported erosion.
Please note Southold Board of Town Trustees approved our request for a permit at their
November 2006 hearing.
We respectfully request that this matter be re-scheduled for the March 29, 2007 hearing.
Very truly yours,
../Catherine Mesiano, President
Enclosures
YOUNG & YOUr~G
400 Oso'ander Avenue
Riverhead ~l' )'ork 11901
Telephone 631- 727-2303
Facsimile 631-727-0144
admin!~lgungengineering, com
HOI~4RD W. YO~WG, Land Surveyor
THO.~Z4S C. WOLPERE Professional Engineer
ROBERT C E4ST, Architect
RON~4LD t~ PFUHL, Landscape.-lrchitec!
DOUGL4S K ADAM~ Professional Engineer
JanuaD' 22, 2007
Mr. & Mrs. Robert Seeley
PO Box 386
Setauket, New York 11733
Re:
Robert Seeley & Barbara Seeley
Lot 4, "Rockcove Estates"
At Greenport, Town of Southold, New York
(2006-0345)
Dear Mr. & Mrs. Seeley,
It was a pleasure to meet with you in my office last month to discuss your concerns
regarding the above referenced proper'o'. Pursuant to )'our request, I have recently
walked your property- and made notes, observations, taken photographs and
measurements regarding grading, drainage, and recent activities in an effort to
determine the cause of bluffdeterioration and potential future erosion problems.
Together with a topographical survey and final survey performed by our office on
January 5, 2007, 1 offer the following comments:
Residence:
It appears that roof run-off is directed to sub-surface drainage structures to
help minimize the potential for run-off reaching neighboring properties, front, rear
and side yards, as well as the roadway. The driveway surface is finished as beach
stone, which is highly pervious and also aids in the reduction of run-offto the
roadway. It is also clear from the site visit and our survey that you have respected
the setback requirements as depicted on the building permit survey and filed map
for your subdivision. Although it is apparent the vegetation within approximate 35
feet of the top of bluff has been trimmed and pruned, the ground has not been
disturbed, with exception of immediately adjacent to the new lawn.
Planning Engineering La.d Surveying Architecture
YOUNG & YOUNG
Beach Area:
The beach area immediately adjacent to the toe of the bluffat the subject property is significantly
fortified with substantial boulders and exhibits elevations higher than those characteristic of adjacent
properties. This is important in that a reasonable assumption can be made that the bluffbehind the beach
is protected from the headward erosion commonly caused by the wave action of winter storms.
Bluff.'
The bluff face itself appears to have been the subject of man-made or animal-made traffic in years
past and has resulted in the establishment of pathways on the slope face. Figure 1, in the appendix,
represents an aerial photograph taken in 2001, prior to the construction of the subdivision. The
photograph clearly illustrates the existence of the "gullies" mentioned by the Soil & Water Conservation
District, SWCD, recommendations of July 6, 2006. These eroded areas existed prior to any construction
and is most likely not the result of water run-off from the residential site, as suggested. A topographical
survey further supports this assumption and goes a step farther suggesting that no significant run-off
breaches the bluff. Figure 2 depicts the same area in 2004. It appears, based on a comparison of the P, vo
photographs, that the extent of erosion is unchanged. Figure 3 depicts a photograph of the conditions of
the property after the construction of the residence and site improvements. This photograph shows a
similar limit of erosion as the previous figures.
Figure I also shows the vegetation in this area was not "wooded" as stated, but dense with briars
and shrubbery that exists along the bluffin this area. This vegetation, although trimmed in the past, still
exists as a well rooted buffer of 30 feet to more than 50 feet landward of the top ofbluffand is shown in
Figure 4. Figure I further depicts an area in the northwest coroer that appears to be a clearing, perhaps a
result of animal or human activity. Field observations confirmed that deer are currently bedding in the
buffer area today. It is further stated, in the SWCD observations section, that the entire site "up to the
edge of the bluff' was completely cleared of this vegetation and that the entire area of the backD'ard
slopes toward the bluff. This does not appear to be describing your property. I am concerned that,
perhaps, the analyst iwas observing the adjacent site. The property to the west has in fact cleared the
property to the top of bluff. The property has also been landscaped and irrigated in this area. This same
properS' has the characteristic ora rear yard that slopes toward the top of bluff. The subject property,
however, exhibits topography that demonstrates a slope away from the top of bluff for the entire width of
the properS-. In fact, as shown in figure 5, the vertical change in the area to the east can be measured in
feet.
The SWCD letter goes on to recommend the prompt remediation of the cause of the gullies, and to
repair the eroded bluffareas. Since, in my opinion, an incorrect assessment of the cause of these gullies
was made, remediation seems misguided and less urgent. The prevention of deer from specific areas has
been a long time problem facing farmers in our area. The SWCD letter states that "wildlife (deer)"
should be prevented from traversing the bluff face, but offers no suggestions for the implementation of
such a task. The only proven deterrent, and it is not 100% effective, is a fence. The construction ora
fence is justifiably frowned upon by the SWCD. Although irrelevant in some ways to your project, the
adjacent property to the west has a fence constructed at the top of bluff along its entire width, as
indicated in Figure 6.
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Planning Engineering Land Suta,eying .4 rchitecture
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Swimming Pool:
The proposed location of the swimming pool is 77 feet from the top of bluff. Based on map
records, the house to the east is approximately 70 feet from the top of bluffand its swimming pool
is approximately 5o feet from the top of bluff. The newly constructed house to the west is
approximately 80 feet from the top of bluff. A properly constructed swimming pool 77 feet fi.om
the top ofbluffwill not jeopardize the stability of the surrounding area. including the bluff. As
suggested by the SWCD, care and sensible construction management should be utilized, as well as
the proper management of water discharge during seasonal maintenance.
In summary, it is evident that the bluff face has experienced some erosion in the past. It is also apparent
that this erosion is not from construction activity on the site, but from the foot traffic of deer and other
animals, and possibly people. Since this traffic has le~ paths and bare slopes, the area is now subject to
weather erosion resulting from the rain that falls directly on it. Although the area is small, the erosion will
progress, albeit slowly. The subsequent subdivision and development of this area should reduce the amount
of human and animal traffic that has been traversing the slope. The number of deer utilizing the area has
most likely been reduced as a significant amount of natural habitat has been eliminated by development.
Attempts to vegetate these areas, in my opinion, may do more harm than good. Certainly, these areas should
be monitored for future deterioration and cautiously take appropriate steps. Other comments from the
SWCD not included in this discussion, such as comments regarding a berm, irrigation, grass clipping and
debris disposal, etc., are sensible and should be considered.
Please feel free to contact my office should you require any additional information.
Best regards,
Douglas Adams, P.E., N.Y.S. Lic. No. 80897
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Planning Engineering Lam] Surveying ,4rchitecture
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TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
: STATE OF NEW YORK
TOWN 0 F S O UTH O L D
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
Southold Town Hall
53095 Main Road
SouZhold, New York
November 30, 2006
9:30 a.m.
Board Members Present :
RUTH OLIVA, Chairwoman
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER,
LESLIE KANES WEISMA~,
JAMES DINIZIO,
MICHAEL SIMON,
Board Member
Board Member
Board Member
Board Member
LINDA KOWALSKI, Board Secretary
KIERAN CORCORAN, Assistant Town Attorney
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CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: That's the next
application. We'll get there. Ail right. I'll
make a motion to close the hearing and reserve
decision until later.
(See minutes for resolution.)
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Next application is for
Seeley at 1250 Sound Drive in Greenport, who
wishes to build a swimming pool at less than 100
feet from the bluff. Miss Mesiano?
MS. MESIANO: Catherine Mesiano on behalf
of 5he applicant. I understand that there are
numerous issues.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: There's just one.
MS. MESIANO: Mr. Seeley is applying for a
swimming pool in a location less than 100 feet
from the edge of the bluff, and his practical
difficulty was created in my opinion in the ill
conceived design of the set of plans of the
subdivision. The soundfront lots on this section
of the subdivision are compromised at best because
it appears to me that consideration was not made
for the fact that once you impose a 100 foot
building setback line from a bluff and then you
impose a front yard setback line, there's not much
left. Mr. Seeley, I would say, is the worst of
the lots. I do have copies of the site plans,
subdivision map.
BOARD MEMBER WEISMAN: I'd like to see.
We have a tax map. I'd like to see the
subdivision map.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Here (indicating).
MS. MESIANO: The practical difficulty for
me came with the creation of the subdivision.
Ours is the eastern most lot.
BOARD SECY. KOWALSKI: Cathy, I just
wanted to make sure they had a copy of the
covenants.
MS. MESIANO: We have covenants and
restrictions that were recorded against this
property in conjunction with the subdivision of
the property. One of the items was pointed out as
an issue, and I would like to address that and
just briefly I'll read Covenant Number 11, No
draining shall be permitted with topography of the
bluff except that which may be necessary to
control the erosion against storm water going over
the edge of the bluff. So I would just like to
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add that. And the third point that was raised as
a result of the inspection by the Suffolk County
Soil and Water Conservation Board is that it be
noted that there appears to be some - they
mentioned two gullies that had been created on the
face of the bluff. Since we have been made aware
of that. Mr. Seeley has been watching that. It
appears that this is a result of the deer
traversing. There's always footprints in the
area. It doesn't appear to be gully created by
water going over the edge but by the traffic by
the deer. So we have an issue with that. So I've
got several issues that I need to address. The
two issues concerning the soil and water
conservation board's recommendation and the
covenant at first blush seem to conflict.
However, when you read the covenant more clearly
and it's saying except that which may be necessary
to control -- the recommendations of the soil and
water conservation board are specifically that
Soil and Water Conservation Board is recommending
a berm be placed at the northerly edge of the
landscaped area of the property for the purpose of
impeding any erosion, any run off the bluff.
Linda and I had discussion as to whether
this was counter to the covenants and
restrictions. Since these covenants were saying
except for that which may be necessary to control
or remedy erosion, I think that that falls within
that exception.
So I would like to now set those thoughts
aside and focus on the pool placement, alternative
suggestions for placement and so on. As initially
presented to the Board from the proposed pool to
the top of the bluff and the shortest distance is
66.8 feet. I made a suggestion to Mr. Seeley that
the pool be redesigned, reoriented, which was
taken under advisement, and their surveyor has
drawn another configuration, and the closest
distance in this configuration -- and that is to
say the pool was initially oriented in a generally
north-south direction, and this configuration is
in a generally east-west configuration. By doing
that we have increased the setback from the top of
the bluff to the pool to at least 72 feet. I have
just received a survey this morning. I have made
some recommendations to Mr. Seeley that we could
further improve the setback from the bluff to the
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pool. I will give you a copy of the survey, but I
would like to say also that I would like to go
back to the drawing board. I think that this can
be made closer to conforming, and create less of a
problem and require less of a variance. This is
the new proposal I was just speaking.
BOARD SECY. KOWALSKI: So you're amending
the application for this proposal, correct? MS. MESIANO: Yes.
BOARD SECY. KOWALSKI: Yes, thank you.
MS. MESIANO: My view of this plan that
the surveyor provided us with, I immediately
noticed that the spa, which was proposed seawards
of the swimming pool, I felt could be removed and
increase that setback. So I would eliminate that
from that area altogether, and I would propose
shifting the pool in a generally southwesterly
direction so that the pool can be farther from the
property line. And that bein9 said, I wanted to
say that this is goin~ before the Trustees, and
I'm on the Trustees calendar on the December 13th
hearinw. The remediation to the bluff as was
recommended by the Soil and Water Conservation
Board letter is primarily the subject of that
application as well as, but I will ask at this
time, I would certainly be happy to address any
questions that you have, but I would like to hold
this over until after the Trustees hearin§ because
I need to address with the Trustees the
remediation of these eroded areas, that the
erosion is from the deer path more than the water
runoff. And I need to address the Trustees
construction of this berm as was recommended by
soil and water. And after I have completed the
Trustees' application, I will know what I'm able
to do as far as the bluff is concerned, and then I
can come back to you with more of a firm plan on
the erosion issues, and issues raised by Soil and
Water Conservation Board. So at that time I will
know how much flexibility the Trustees will allow
in the placement of the pool. I have come close
to their 75 foot setback requirement. I'm trying
to placate everyone I can to come close to that 75
foot setback. So I will request that we hold this
over, but I would be more than happy to address
questions.
CMAIRWOMAN OLIVA: I don't think we mind
to hold it open as far as the bluff is concerned.
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As far as the pool is concerned, according to the
LWRP, you're 100 foot back now with your house?
MS. MESIANO: Yes.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: I see no reason to put
a pool in there at less than 100 feet back. I am
very concerned about the bluffs in that area going
eastward. There have been blow-outs and if you
have a couple gullies now -- and I don't care who
they're caused by -- unless it's remediated, I
certainly don't want the weight of a pool anywhere
near that bluff. And if you're 100 foot back,
you're a lot safer. I would not vote for it.
MS. MESIANO: We have no alternatives on
this site.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: I realize that.
MS. MESIANO: And we would not ask for a
variance without also implementing the remediation
that was recommended by soil and wa~er.
BOARD MEMBER SIMON: There's a question,
when was the house built, actually?
MS. MESIANO: The house was built within
the past two or three years.
BOARD MEMBER SIMON: Right. And the pool
was presumably an afterthought? The one question
we could ask is since they're so close together
and the house was built without the pool is i~ the
original site plan had called for a swimming pool,
would they have been able to get the variance for
that building, house plus pool? The answer to
that question would seem to be fairly relevant to
our deliberations on this issue that's before us
today.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Not really, Michael,
because it's two different things.
MS. MESIAiqO: The plans have been designed
in such a way that ~he pool and the surrounding
fencing could have been integrated into the
structure of the house, and it could have been
part of the principal structure.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: That's true.
BOARD MEMBER SIMON: What you're saying is
that that option is no longer available because
the house has already been built. CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Right.
BOARD MEMBER SIMON: I guess in a sense
that would be more likely to take this very
seriously if the house hadn't been built just two
years ago. If it was built 25 years ago, then the
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question is how are we going to accommodate a
preexisting, a pool with a preexisting residence.
MS. MESIAi~O: The reason that I thought
that this was worth trying to get a variance on is
because in studying the subdivision map itself,
keep getting stuck on the fact that the
subdivision itself was, in my opinion -- strictly
my opinion -- poorly conceived, and valuable lots
in the subdivision, the most problematic lots in
the subdivision, practically the house that's on
the lot was designed for this odd-shaped building
envelope that was again, I'm not putting myself
out to be smarter than an expert, however, simply
looking at this, and knowing that waterfront is
valuable, and they're not making any more, given
my druthers, I'd sacrifice some interior lots to
provide a better waterfront lot, and then have a
larger building envelope.
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: But the
developer, they decided they wanted more lots and
they got more lots. We can't later on say I also
want to be able to do whatever I want to do on
those lots.
MS. MESIANO: It is what i~ is, but in
looking at the property, my opinion on this is
that it's unfortunate that it wasn't more --
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: Your argument
is essentially, we wish we had a better lot.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: And we don't.
MS. MESIANO: I can wish for anything I
want.
BOARD MEMBER SIMON: And nobody would
object to your trying to get this approved, get
the variance. Your difficulties with the size of
the lots would not have arisen were it not for the
fact that the Seeleys also want a swimming pool,
and we should remember that a swimming pool is not
a uniquely waterfront related feature. It's a
very desirable feature. So there's where the
problem is. So in this case the casualty of poor
site plan, if that's the case was, is the swimming
pool. It's a wonderfully situated house; it's a
very nice lot. The question is, can they also
find room for a swimming pool on that lot given
~he house is built where it is.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Did you get the notice
of inconsistency with the LWRP coordinator?
MS. MESIANO: Yes, I did and I believe I
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addressed that to the Board as far as the drainage
is concerned. I don't have that document in front
of me.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: It was from Mark Terry.
MS. MESIANO: I know that. I don't have
it in front of me, and I know you're running late
and there are people behind me, but I did address
the issues raised in that as far as the drainage
is concerned. Again, taking into account the
comments of soil and water, if a swimming pool of
some degree is allowed in this site, Mr~ Seeley is
more than willing to put the resources in to do
the remediation, restoration.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: I would respectfully
submit that he better try to restore or remediaze
that bluff, otherwise you're going to lose it.
BOARD MEMBER WEISMAN: with or without the
pool.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: You've got a problem, a
big problem.
MS. MESIANO: I understand that, and it
was brought to his attention by this report. Once
we saw this report it's been taken seriously,
which is why the application is in to the
Trustees.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Very good.
MS. MESIANO: And as far as the pool is
concerned, I know we have -- I think it's a 16 by
32. The Seeleys are quite flexible to design
something smaller and get as close to that 75 fee~
that the Trustees will give us, that's what we're
trying to do. I want to go to them first
because --
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: We take precedent over
the Trustees.
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: You may still
have to go to the Planning Board to overcome these
C and R issues.
MS. MESIANO: Linda and I have had some
discussion, and I had understood that the Board
was going to be asking for an interpretation.
BOARD SECY. KOWALSKI: No. I had
suggested to you that you could write to the
Planning Board and ask them for an
interpretation.
MS. MESIANO: I'm sorry I thought --
BOARD SECY. KOWALSKI: No, it was up to
you to do that~
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MS. MESIANO: I'm sorry.
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: The covenant
says no grading within 100 feet of the bluff.
MS. MESIANO: Then read the rest of that
sentence.
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: I read it.
MS. MESIANO: Except for the purposes of
erosion control or --
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: The pool is
erosion control?
BOARD MEMBER WEISMAN: Obviously the berm
would be, but the swimming pool would be grading,
period.
MS. MESIANO: The pool would be at
grade.
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: You have to do
grading to make a pool.
BOARD MEMBER WEISMAN: You'll have to
excavate.
MS. MESIANO: The covenant says grade, I
don't think it says no excavating. I think it
says no grading.
BOARD MEMBER WEISMAN: It's still a
disturbance.
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: Excavating is
worse than grading I think.
BOARD MEMBER WEISMAN: Good deal of
instability in soil.
BOARD MEMBER GOEHRINGER: We dealt with
this issue in Mattituck at one point, where the
bluff was 165 feet high, there were significant
problems. We actually had an engineer weigh the
weight of the pool, gunite pool with water in it
as opposed to compacted soil, and believe it or
not as a result of that analysis, the weight of
compacted soil is actually heavier than a gunite
pool with water in it. It was his determination.
It was an interesting situation. However, in
making that determination, this homeowner knew
that they had to build outside of the 100 foot
mark. So what they did was they took the deck
down, they drove pilings underneath it, and they
built a swimming pool which basically is a free
flow in the contour of the house with total
engineering specifications that the Building
Department allowed. And that's what you might
have to do here, even if you have to cut it into
the house, if that's what you want, then that's
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what you may have to do. And I'm telling you that
that was what was done. I observed this pool
after it was constructed, and I have to tell you
that it was extremely tastefully done. It was
certainly nowhere near the standard size of 16 by
32, and was it outside the master bedroom. It was
directly outside the master bedroom, and, in my
particular opinion, I think that's what you have
to do.
MS. MESIANO: I am here to hear your
comments because I know that this is not -- again,
I learn, nothing's ever simple. But I know that
this is more problematic than most because of the
issues concerned. So I didn't come here expecting
answers, and I know what I would have gotten - so
I wanted to hear the Board's comment, and I also
would like the opportunity to go before the
Trustees. Again, I'm sorry I misunderstood, and I
will put that letter into Mark Terry.
BOARD SECY. KOWALSKI: That was the only
suggestion I had. It's not required, but it was
just a suggestion I had.
MS. MESIANO: I'm sorry.
BOARD SECY. KOWALSKI: Don't be sorry,
it's okay.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Jim?
BOARD MEMBER DINIZIO: I walk by this
house every morning, and I watch this house being
built and the house alongside it. And the house
alongside it has a pool on the side yard. The
house was made narrower so they could put a pool
in, and my assumption is they're restricted by the
same covenants that theirs was.
MS. MESIA/qO: This is the house --
BOARD MEMBER DINIZIO: To the west. And I
think a covenant is a covenant, and I read the
covenant as okay, you can do a little disturbing,
build yourself a berm, try to keep the water off
the bluff, but I don't see where it says anything
where you can build anything in that 100 feet.
'rhe Board knows how I feel about covenants. It's
more than just a handshake; it's an agreement, and
you agreed to it. And it shapes the value of that
piece of property. So I mean, you have to get
around that, quite honestly, long before we
consider anything else, and I haven't heard you
say anything that you have some kind of hardship
other than some kind of covenant. I understand
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the position of the house, but the position of the
}louse was in the actual lot, was defined by the
Planning Board and so was the building envelope.
[ don't see you getting past that.
As far as this erosion is concerned, I
suspect that the stairwell that goes down to the
west of that piece of property that everybody gets
to use is blocking a path that the deer used to
use. There used to be a road that goes down
there.
MS. MESIANO: The neighbor completely
fenced his property -- not just around his
swimming pool. Trapping the deer, changed their
path that they used.
BOARD MEMBER DINIZIO: I have lived there
for 30 years and this year is the first year I
have seen deer on the beach.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: They're stuck and
they're multiplying quickly.
BOARD MEMBER DINIZIO: We used to be able
to go down this road all the time. This was a
party place. But you want to address erosion,
that's what he's got to do. And honestly, you
haven't in this hearing addressed that.
MS. MESIANO: Those steps are not
something we can speak to because those are the
association and they're off this property.
BOARD MEMBER DINIZIO: I agree, but that's
your problem.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Is there anyone in the
audience that wishes to speak on this application?
Yes, sir?
MR. HOLLIS: Phil Hollis, 1150 Sound
Drive. The bluff is in months going to fall
down. They have not made a single attempt to put
~ dry well. They cleared all the brush, the house
is for sale -- all the brush is clean, this bluff
is going to go down any moment. I purchased the
property adjacent to that, and I had to put a
retaining wall, I had to put four dry wells; they
have done none of that. They want to maximize
property because they cannot sell the house. This
is speculators. I've been there for 20 years and
honestly, we're going to lose the bluff. As far
as the swimming pool, frankly speaking, I have a
swimming pool, but they have to meet the code that
you set up for me. They have not done that.
They're ignorant. When they were building they
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knocked my wall out, they knocked this. It's just
to get the money and run, basically. We're here
to stay. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Is there anyone else
who wishes to comment on this application? Yes,
sir?
MR. SEELEY: I'm Bob Seeley, how are you?
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Hi.
MR. SEELEY: I didn't knock his wall down.
I don't know what he's talking about. His pool is
like 20 feet from the bluff, that's irrelevant
anyway. When we bought the house we were going to
live there. My wife, we're going out there, she
decides she didn't want to be near this guy, so
we're not going to live there now. One of the
reasons we didn't go for the variance originally
was because I wanted to get started on the house.
Took a while to think about it. The architect, he
says get the house started and talk about it
later.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Thank you.
MS. MESIANO: There's only one other thing
I'd like to add talking about the covenants. I
think you were referring to the 100 foot setback
line. Again, I think it's a gray area in the
covenant, the setback line pertains to structures.
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: As I read the
covenant, it says no grading within 100 feet of
the bluff, it doesn't say building.
MS. MESIANO: If you look at the
subdivision map, Jim, is that what you were
referring to?
BOARD MEMBER DINIZIO: I would like to
hear it discussed.
MS. MESI~kNO: On the subdivision map
l~here'$ a line in the code that there's a 100 foot
building setback, specific in that a building is a
structure.
BOARD MEMBER SIMON: For some purposes and
not others.
MS. MESIANO: Unfortunately.
BOARD MEMBER DINIZIO: As I interpret it,
and I've been involved now for 20 years, a
building setback line is just that. There's
~ot -- you know, a structure has to do with the
actual physical boards and everything but the
building setback line to my mind is a line that's
set with no building on it per se, just says this
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is -- BOARD MEMBER WEISMAN: Just the
building envelope? I believe it's a structure.
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: Building
envelope put all your structures.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Building envelope in
which we put everything in it.
ASST. TOWN ATTY. CORCORAN: Even were that
not the case, you always have the grading problem
as well.
BOARD MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Anything that is
determined to be a structure.
BOARD MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Did you want to
adjourn it?
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: No. I think we're all
agreed on the setback issue. So I'd like to close
the hearing and reserve decision until later.
BOARD MEMBER DINIZIO: It's her dime. I'd
like to give her an opportunity. If she feels
like she wants to go to the Trustees and come
back.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: She can still go to the
Trustees.
BOARD SECY. KOWALSKI: She wants to go to
the Planning Board also.
BOARD MEMBER DINIZIO: So what? What does
that cost us anything? If you want to go through
Lhe process, that's what you're asking us for, to
go through the process and come back to us and say
that's what the Trustees say. I have no objection
to us holding the hearing open until then.
BOARD SECY. KOWALSKI: The alternative,
Ruth, would be January 25th at 11:10 in the
morning. So, I don't know how the rest of the
Board feels.
BOARD MEMBER DINIZIO: We could leave it
open for 10 years.
BOARD MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Leave it open
without a date.
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Without a date and
she'll get back to us. Okay, make that motion.
(See minutes for resolution.)
CHAIRWOMAN OLIVA: Our next hearing is for
the one on Main Road in Mattituck, shown.
Mr. Goggins.
MR, GOGGINS: William Goggins, 31045 Main
Road, Mattituck, New York, for the applicant
Roy C. and Robert Schoenhaar. As you know we're
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CERTIFICATION
I, Florence V. Wiles, Notary Public for the
State of New York, do hereby certify:
THAT the within transcript is a true record of
the testimony given.
I further certify that I am not related by
blood or marriage, to any of the parties to this
action; and
THAT I am in no way interested in the outcome
of this matter.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my
hand this 30th day of November, 2006.
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2006
Office Location:
Town Annex/First Floor, North Fork Bank
54375 Main Road (at Youngs Avenue)
Southold, NY 11971
http://southoldtown.northfork.net
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Tel. (631) 765-1809 Fax (631) 765-9064
Mailing Address:
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971-0959
Mark Terry, Senior Environmental Planner
LWRP Coordinator
Plarming Board Office
Town of Southold
Town Hall Annex
Southold, NY 11971
Re: ZBA File Reft No. 5912 (Seeley)
Dear Mark:
We requested and received from you comments on June 27, 2006 regarding this file.
However, I believe that the enclosed LWRP form was omitted from our request. Please
make this a part of your file.
Very truly yours,
RUTH D. OLIVA
By~
Robert Seeley
1250 Sound Drive, Gmenpod
SCTM #1000-3~-3-19.04
Town of Southoid
LWRP CONSISTENCY ASSESSMENT FORM
A. INSTRUCTIONS
1. All applicants for permits* including Town of Southold agencies, shall complete this CCAF for proposed
actions that are subject to the Town of Southold Waterfront Consistency Review Law. This assessment is
intended to supplement other information used by a Town of Southold agency in making a determination of
consistency. *Except minor exempt actions including Building, Permit and other ministerial permits not
located within the Coastal Erosion Hazard Area
2. Before answering the questions in Section C, the preparer of this form should review the exempt minor
action list, policies and explanations of each policy contained in the Town of Southold Local Waterfront
Revitalization Program. A proposed action will be evaluated as to its significant beneficial and adverse effects
upon the coastal area (which includes all of Southold Town).
3. If any question in Section C on this form is answered "yes", then the proposed action may affect the
achievement of the LWRP policy standards and conditions contained in the consistency review law. Thus, the
action should be analyzed in more detail and, if necessary, modified prior to making a determination that it is
consistent to the maximum extent practicable with the LWRP policy standards and conditions. If an action
cannot be certified as consistent with the LWRP policy standards and conditions, it shall not be undertaken.
A copy of the LWRP is available in the following places: online at the Town of Southold's website
(southoldtown.northfork.net), the Board of Trustees Office, the Planning Department, all local libraries and
the Town Clerk's office.
B. DESCRIPTION OF SITE AND PROPOSED ACTION
SCTM# 33 3 19.04
The Application has been submitted to (check appropriate response):
Town Board Planning Dept. Building Dept. X Board of Trustees X ZBA
1. Category of Town of Southold agency action (check appropriate response):
(a) Action undertaken directly by Town agency (e.g. capital
construction, planning activity, agency regulation, land transaction)
(b) Financial assistance (e.g. grant, loan, subsidy)
(c) Permih approval~ license~ certification:
Nature and extent of action:
CONSTRUCTION OF 16' X 32' INGROUND POOL
Location of action 1250 SOUND DRIVE, GREENPORT
Site acreage: 1.05 A
Present land use: SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING
Present zoning classification: R-40
2. If an application for the proposed action has been filed with the Town of Southold agency, the following
information shall be provided:
(a) Name of applicant: ROBERT SEELEY
1250 Sound Drive, Greenport
SCTM #1000-33-3-19.04
(b) Mailing address: 20 WHITE PINE LANE~ SETAUKET~ NY 11733
(c) Telephone number: Area Code 631-235-8908
(d) Application number, if any: ZBA #5912
Will the action be directly undertaken, require funding, or approval by a state or federal agency? Yes No
If yes, which state or federal agency? NYSDEC {non-jurisdictional)
DEVELOPED COAST POLICY
Policy 1. Foster a pattern of development in the Town of Southold that enhances community character, proserves
open space, makes efficient use of infrastructure, makes beneficial use of a coastal location, and minimizes
adverse effects of development. See LWRP Section m- Policies; Page 2 for evaluation criteria.
Yes No Not Applicable
Construction of a pool at this site is proposed in a manner consistent with relief granted under
similar conditions. In this instance, the subdivision plan was ill-conceived in that the building
envelope does not provide for development of the site in a manner consistent with the "pattern of
development in the town':
Policy 2. Protect and preserve historic and archaeological resources of the Town of Southold. See LWRP Section
III - Policies Pages 3 through 6 for evaluation criteria
Yes No Not Applicable
The proposed project is not located near any histodc sites or districts.
Policy 3. Enhance visual quality and protect scenic resources throughout the Town of Southold. See LWRP
Section I]] - Policies Pages 6 through 7 for evaluation criteria
Yes No Not Applicable
The subject site is developed with a single family dwelling. Policy 3 has no relevance to
construction of the proposed pool.
Robert Seeley
1250 Sound Drive, Greenport
SCTM #1000-33-3-19.04
NATURAL COAST POLICIES
Policy 4. Minimize loss of life, structures, and natural resources from flooding and erosion.
Yes No Not Applicable
The applicant realizes the importance of maintaining the integrity of the bluff and preventing any
condition that may pose a threat to the bluff. The proposed pool will be des~qned and constructed in
accordance accepted engineering practices relevant to the site conditions. Further, the
recommendations made by the Suffolk County Soil & Water Conservation Distdct will be
implemented in conjunction with the pool construction.
Policy 5. Protect and improve water quality and supply in the Town of Southold.
Yes No Not Applicable
The subject site is developed with a single family dwelling. Policy 5 has no relevance to
construction of the proposed pool.
Policy 6. Protect and restore the quality and function of the Town of Southold ecosystems including Significant
Coastal Fish and Wildlife Habitats and wetlands.
Yes No Not Applicable
The subject site is developed with a single family dwelling. Policy 6 has no relevance tn
construction of the proposed pool.
Policy 7. Protect and improve air quality in the Town of Southold.
Yes No Not Applieable
It does not appear that Policy 7 is relevant to construction of the proposed pool.
Policy 8. Minimize environmental degradation in Town of Southoid from solid waste and hazardous substances
and wastes.
Ye.~s No Not Applicable
The proposed pool will be constructed with drywells to provide for containment of any backwash
material that may result from its operation and maintenance.
PUBLIC COAST POLICIES
Policy 9. Provide for public access to, and recreational use of, coastal waters, public lands, and public resources
of the Town of Southold.
Yes No Not Applicable
Construction of the proposed pool will have no impact on public access to, and recreational use of,
coastal waters, etc.
Robert Seeley
1250 Sound Drive, Greenport
SCTM #1000.=33-3-19.04
WORKING COAST POLICIES
Policy 10. Protect Southold's water-dependent uses and promote siting of new water-dependent uses in suitable
locations. See LWRP Section Ill- Policies; Pages 47 through 56 for evaluation criteria.
Yes No Not Applicable
It does not appear that Policy 10 is relevant to construction of the proposed pool on a residentially
developed lot.
Policy 11. Promote sustainable use of living marine resources in Long Island Sound, the Peconic Estuary and
Town waters. See LWRP Section HI - Policies; Pages 57 through 62 for evaluation criteria.
Yes No Not Applicable
It does not appear that Policy 11 is relevant to construction of the proposed pool on a residentially
developed lot.
Policy 12. Protect agricultural lands in the Town of Southoid. See LWRP Section IH - Policies; Pages 62 through
65 for evaluation criteria.
Yes No Not Applicable
It does not appear that Policy 12 is relevant to construction of the proposed pool on a residentially
developed lot.
Policy 13. Promote appropriate use and development of energy and mineral resources. Sec LWRP Section HI-
Policies; Pages 65 through 68 for evaluation criteria.
Yes No Not Applicable
It does not appear that Policy 13 is relevant to construction of the proposed pool on a residentially
developed lot.
Created on 5/25/05 11:20 AM
Robert Seeley
1250 Sound Ddve, Gmenport
SCTM #1000-33-3-19.04
PROPOSED ACTIVITY
CONSTRUCTION OF A 16' X 32' IN-GROUND SWIMMING POOL, PATIO AND FENCE PER
CODE.