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JOHN ~CKHAM, Chairman
FRANK S. COYLE
HENRY E. RAYNOR, Jr,
FREDERICK E. GORDON
JAMES WALL
Southold, N.Y. 11971
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765- 1938
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A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was
on Monday, December 18, 1978 at 7:30 p.m. at the Town Hall,
Road, Southold, New York. Present were:
Chairman John Wickham
Vice-Chairman Henry E. Raynor, Jr.
Member Frank S. Coyle
Member Frederick E. Gordon
Frank & Millicent Gossner, League of Women Voters
Lawrence M. Tuthill, Town Engineer
Douglas Love, L. I. Traveler-Watchman
DickCurtis, Suffolk Times
7:30 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the
minor subdivision of property of Martha and Lawrence Stojan.
Mr. Stojan and Laurie Dowd appeared.
Mr. Raynor read the legal notice of hearing and presented proofs
of publication from the Suffolk Times and the L. I. Traveler-
Watchman. It was noted that there was a discrency in either the
legal description or the map of .04 feet on a Main Road measure-
ment.
Mr. Wickham: I want to say to any of you that might not be
familiar with this, it is property on the north side of the Main
Road in Cutchogue immediately opposite Skunk Lane or Bay Avenue,
as you prefer. It is the first subdivision in conjuuction with
which the development rights have been sold for agricultural
purposes so it is of special interest to us. I have here a
communication from the Suffolk County Department of Planning
and they are not acting upon this because they do not have road
profiles and being as there is no road and there is no grading
and no drainage plan. It is necessary that we get in touch with
the Suffolk County Planning Commission because this property is
on a state highway. Again, there being no highways required,
there is not required a clearance from the Highway Superintendent.
This has been before our board for some months and has been
discussed at some length and the Planning Board is in entire
Planning Board -2- December 18, 1978
agreement with what Mr. and Mrs. Stojan wish to do. Each one of
the lots meets all requirements for a minor or major subdivision.
There are only four lots and they all front on New York State
Route 25. At this time I will ask if there is anyone that wishes
to be heard in opposition to this subdivision. Hearing none, I
will ask if anyone is in favor of it.
Laurie Dowd: I am with the office of George Stankevich and I am
representing Mr. Stojan. You have seen it before. We are here
if you have any further questions but feel we have done all that
should be done.
Mr. Wickham: The Planning Board approves of this concept of not
necessarily developing the highway front of a farm but dividing
it for heirs or other interests but preserving the major portion
of the farm for agricultural use. This is what has been done
here and the Planning Board favors this treatment. Does the
board have any questions or comments? Then, I will declare the
hearing closed. Determination will be made at a later date.
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was
RESOLVED to authorize the payment of $55.00 annual dues
for membership in the New York Planning Federation.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon
On motion made by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was
RESOLVED to grant final approval to the map of the minor
subdivision known as "Indian Woods" owned by Rene Gendron, and
authorize the chairman to sign the map.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED to authorize the chairman to sign the map of the
subdivision to be known as "Sea-Aire Estates" owned by Col. Ted
Dowd, upon receipt of notice from the Town Clerk that the Town
Board has accepted the bond.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon
Letter from John R. McNulty representing the Laurel Common
· ' was acknowledged. The Planning Board appreciates
the fact that Mr. McNulty brought this to the attention of the
Board and approves the purchase. There is no formal action
required by the Board.
Planning Board -3- December 18, 1978
Mr. Raynor made a report on his inspection of the Thornten
Smith property in Mattituck. It comprises approximately 80
acres and the applicant has requested a subdivision and presented
two proposals. The Board reviewed both proposals and made
recommendations. The Board is now waiting for Mr. Smith to come
back with a consolidation of suggestions made at the last meeting.
Mr. Gordon made a report on the sketch map of Regens
International property located on Gull Pond Lane in Greenport.
Of the 12 or 13 lots, Mr. Gordon finds about five are classified
as buildable. The other lots are filled land that came from
spoil that came from when they dredged the creek. He is not
sure a building permit 'could be obtained on this area. The park
and recreation area is very low land. A letter to this effect
is to be sent to William B. Smith, represent of the applicant.
The applicant should be requested to show the elevations contour
lines utilizing two foot intervals where there is a question as
to the topography and elevations of the property.
8:00 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the
final map of the subdivision to be known as "Horton Farm Estates"
located at Eugene's Road, Cutchogue, owned by Richard E. Yomug
and others. Howard Young and Richard E. Young appeared. ~.
Radnor read the notice of hearing and presented proofs of
publication in the Suffolk Times and L. I. Travmler-Watchman.
Mr. Wickham: For your additional information, this 22.47 acres
are divided into nineteen lots. This subdivision has been before
the Planning Board for a long while. Looking back towards the
first of the file, we find a letter from the Superintendent of
Highways on this subdivision dated March 17, 1972 so it has been
six and a half, almost seven years. We have a communication from
the Suffolk County Department of Planning.
Dear Mr. Wickham:
Pursuant to the requirements of Section 1333, Article XIII
of the Suffolk County Charter, the above captioned proposed final
plat which has been referred to the Suffolk County Planning
Commission is considered to be a matter for local determination;
however, this shall not be construed that the Commission has
either approved or disapproved this particular plat.
/s/ Charles G. Lind, Chief Planner
Mr. Wickham: Under date of October 30, 1978 the Planning Board
gave final approval of the preliminary map dated February 3,
1978. Under date of October 27, 1978 I have a communication from
the Town Highway Superintendent.
Planning Board -4- December 18, 1978
Gentlemen:
If the recommendations of the Town Engineer of September 19,
1978 have been met, I approve of this subdivision.
/s/ Raymond C. Dean
Superintendent of Highways
The following is the engineer's memorandum of September 19, 1978
that is referred to.
Recommend approval of this subdivision as they have met the final
requirement of enlarging the recharge basin and Mr. Henry
Raynor's request of letter stating that the excess fill
from the recharge basin be placed in the low area on other
side of the road.
The following are the comments from the engineer dated December
l, 1977.
1. The volume of the recharge basin is sufficient if the
elevation of the bottom of the recharge basin is raised to
elevation 3.0' and the elevation is 7.0'.
2. It is noted that some large areas below the flood plain
level.
Recommendations
1. That the catch basins be placed on each side of the road
of Horton Farm Lane at Station 1-00 to decrease the amount of
runoff onto Eugene Road, and that there be at least two catch
basins on each side of the road in the area of the recharge
basin as a safety against the probability of one of the drains
becoming clogged.
2. That provisions be made to drain the lots on the east side
of Morton Farm Lane near the entrance.
These, of course, have all been met. For your additional
information, the problem is that this is a very low area and
some of it is subject to flooding at extreme hurricane tides
and we have all been concerned that no storm runoff water be
allowed to enter the town highways so we have gone to very
considerable extent to see that it doesn't happen. Going back
to May 12, 1977, I have a communication from the Suffolk County
Department of Planning.
Dear Mr. Wickham:
In accordance with your request, the staff has examined
the proposed subdivision layout for a 22.47 acre tract reputedly
owned by Richard Young, et al and offer the following comment on
the map for your use.
Planning Board -5- December 18, 1978
Is is the opinion of the staff that the layout for the
subdivision of the tract will be satisfactory provided that no
storm water rtuaoff will enter the drainage chamaels on the
property to the west. According to our information (see enclosed
topo map) these channels eventually flow into East Creek.
Staff comments on a preliminary map do not constitute a
review of the map by the Suffolk County Planning Commission.
When the map has been finalized it should be referred to the
Commission for review pursuant to Section 1333 of the Suffolk
County Charter.
/s/ Charles G. Lind
Subdivision Review Section
I have a receipt for the filing fee. Notification to Mr. Young
that the following action was taken by the Planning Board at a
regular meeting held February 7, 1977.
RESOLVED to grant sketch plan approval to the map of Horton
Farm Estates dated November 18, 1976, as presented by Richard
Young, et al.
There is a general approval by the Superintendent of Highways.
I don't see the check list that I usually have. I don't have
the disclosure. It says Richard Young et al. Are you prepared
to explain now.
Mr. Young: I am 50% owner with another person, Mrs. Mildred
Bianco.
Mr. Wickham: We need to know if she has any connection with
town, county and state government in any way. We will enter it
in the minutes now but we want a statement.
Mr. Young: I will have my attorney send it.
Mr. Wickham: The file seems to be complete. We will have to
check through again with the checklist to make sure we have
not passed any dates. I will ask now for anyone that wishes to
speak in opposition to this subdivision on the northeast side
of Eugene's Road. Hearing none, I will ask for anyone that
wishes to speak in favor of it.
Mr. Young: I don't think there
six years of talking about it.
will be glad to answer them.
is much left to be said after
If anyone has any questions I
Mr. Wickham: We will have to go over the checklist. If there
is no one else wishing to speak, I will declare the hearing
closed.
Planning Board -6- December 18, 1978
Vineyard Estates. Howard Young. Mr. Wickham spoke with Mr.
Hargrave who likes the layout because it gives him protection
but he can see Mr. Raynor's point of view. Mr. Raynor thinks
there should be a road by the tracks among other things. A
spur is needed for the 1200 foot block separation. Mr. Young
said he had prepared a cluster and showed it to the board. He
hasn't discussed this with Mr. Beebe. He will confer with Mr.
Beebe and get back to the board.
8:30 p.m. Public Hearingon the question of the approval of
the minor subdivisions of C. Edmonds Allen and Peter Kreh~ Jr.
Mr. Allen and Mr. Kreh attended the hearing. Mr. Raynor read
the legal notice and proof of publication in the Suffolk Times
and the L. I. Traveler-Watchman.
Mr. Wickham: I want to point out again that these are, in fact,
two separate minor subdivisions. They are owned by two different
men and they are put together in this arrangement with all this
involved legal description at the special request of the Suffolk
County Plauning Commission and this is the first, only and the
last time, I hope, that we do this. Again, it has been approved
by our attorney and so forth. This goes back to 1976. (Mr.
Wickham went over %he checklist) There are no highways involved
so there is no letter required from the Town S~perintendent of
Highways. As I have said, we do have information from the
Planning Commission of the County of Suffolk. Also we have asked
the Soil and Water Conservation District of the U. S. Department
of Agriculture at Riverhead, New York, to make a soil determination
and recommendation. We have their report which says among other
things that this is an old marsh that has been filled in. The
point is, at this time, it was filled by the County dredge some
time ago. The elevations are, in general, above what we consider
a flood plain elevation. Bear in mind these are minor subdivisions,
each one no more than four lots. They are lots of 40 to 60,000
square feet and as a result we have required and have in the file
covenants that they will not be again subdivided. The files are
complete. At this time I will ask for anyone that wishes to be
heard in opposition to these two '~subdivisions in Mattituck on
Peconic Bay and James Creek. Hearing none, I will ask if there
is anyone that wishes to be heard in favor of these subdivisions.
Mr. Allen: It was formerly the land of C. E. Allen. It is now
Folly Beach, Ltd.
Mr. Wickham: If there is no one else that wishes to be heard
on this matter, I will call on the board for any additional
comments. We have spent a lot of time on this. If there is
nothing else, I will declare the hearing closed.
Planning Board -7- December 18, 1978
0ysterponds Village. Charles Cuddy appeared. The Board reviewed
the amended maps dated November 27, 1978. The 2.7 acres on Tabor
Road has been changed to A Residential and included in the cluster.
Mr. Schriever has gone into contract with the towu for the town
recharge basin. It will probably result in a deed within the next
two weeks. The recharge basin is already in. Under date of
September llth they have approval of a cluster subdivision from
the County. The litigation has been terminated. If the Board
needs any f~rther documents they will be glad to supply them.
Mr. Raynor asked Mr. Cuddy several questions regarding the lengthy
letter Mr. Schriev~r presented. There was some question about the
road coming out onto Village Lane. Mr. Cuddy thought that had
been resolved and felt if there was still opposition it will come
out at the public hearing.
Southold Commons. Wilbur Klatsky and Henry Zuckerman appeared.
As there were approximately fifty people in the audience who were
attending out of interest in this project, Mr. Wickham explained
to them that this was not a public hearing. At the end of the
meeting of Mr. Zuckerman and Mr. Klatsky with the Planning Board,
Mr. Wickham said he would be glad to answer any questions the
people might have. Mr. Klatsky agreed that the press could have
a copy of the site plan as long as it was understood that this
was preliminary only. They have presented a traffic study which
indicates there will be no change in the efficiency of the
existing road system which would accommodate the project. They
have lengthened and widened the entrance on the revised plan.
Mr. Wi~kham said he was not inclined to accept variances as they
have to be subject to approval of the Planning Board. There was
quite a bit of discussion about the fact that Mr. Ahlers and Dr.
Hellman had received a variance from the Board of Appeals back
in 1973 (#1799). This matter will be taken up with the Town
Attorney for clarification.
Mr. Wickham said he is not happy with the circulation.
Even though there is emergency access there is not circulation.
The requirement for density is that they will have public water
and public sewer. If they do enter into a contract with the
Suffolk County Sewer Authority, Mr. Wickham says, they will be
reducing the yield. The retention area reduces the area and the
yield. The number of units will have to be settled with the Town
Attorney. Mr. Klatsky asked for specifics on circulation.
There was also considerable discussion regarding the front
yard requirement. They indicated Mr. Fisher said there was a
minimum of 50 feet where Mr. Hindermann said any amount was the
front yard. The gentlemen were only considering that the 50 feet
itself was front yard. This will also have to be discussed with
the Town Attorney. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board will
require a contract or agreement with the County before it will
accept the site plan. He also said the sewage treatment plant
must be in operation when the first unit is occupied because
there are promises made and not kept. Mr. Klatsky said they
Planning Board -8- December 18, 1978
will not come in for occupancy until the plant is in operation.
He said temporary hookups are a thing of the past. Mr. Wickham
suggested a one-way 20 foot lop around the whole project for
circulation. Mr. Raynor requested that a representative of the
Building Department attend the next meeting. Mr. Klatsky
requested a quick expeditious review. Fir. wickham said this will
have to go for a public hearing before it is through. The
representatives were directed to get in touch with the secretary
as to the outcome of the meeting with the Town Attorney and the
Building Inspector.
At this time Mr. Wickham opened the meeting to the people
present and asked if they had any questions on this matter.
There were no site comments but comments basically against low
income housing in this area.
Southold Savings Bank. Richard Lark, Esq., and Raymond Terry
appeared. There was no action taken because the revision in the
site plan has not been presented to the Planning Board by the
Building Inspector's office.
Raymond Terry. Richard Lark, Esq. appeared with Mr. Terry
regarding a possible change of zone request on property on the
northeast corner of Jockey Creek Road and Main Road. He is
contemplating a change from Residential to Light Business. The
Board suggested he go to the Board of Appeals for a use variance.
Woodbine Manor. Richard Lark, representing adjacent property
owners, said there is a problem at this subdivision. One of the
problems is where the town dug out for the recharge basin and
left mounds of dirt in the area. Also, Mr. Ihar has started
some road clearing and left the soil without a cover crop to
keep it from blowing. A letter will be written to Mr. Ihar
suggesting he get in touch with the Soil and Water Conservation
District. When top soil is removed from property it is necessary
to receive a per~it from the To~ Board under the Soil Removal
section of the ordinance. The Planning Board will request an
inspection by Mr. Davis, the Board's inspector.
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED to set 7:30 p.m., Tuesday, January 9, 1979 at the
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place
for a public hearing on the map of the minor subdivision of
property to be conveyed to the Rev. William J. Hilliard.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon
Planning Board -9- December 18, 1978
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED to set 8:00 p.m., Tuesday, January 9, 1979 at the
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place
for a public hearing on the preliminary map of the subdivision
to be known as "Bayview Woods Corporation".
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED to set 8:30 p.m., Tuesday, January 9, 1979 at the
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place
for a public hearingon the preliminary map of the subdivision to
be known as "Sebastian's Cove".
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Coyle, Raynor, Gordon
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED to set 9:00 p.m., Tuesday, January 9, 1979 at the
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place
for a public hearing on the preliminary map of the subdivision
to be known as "0ysterponds Village".
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon
Mr. Wickham made a motion, seconded by Mr. Gordon and carried
that a bond amount be set for the incompleted work at Orient-by-
the-Sea~ Section II and such amount be recommended to the Town
Board.
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was
RESOLVED to approve the map of the minor subdivision of
Folly Beach Limited and Peter F. Kreh, Jr. subject to covenants
and restrictions being filed in the Suffolk County Clerk's
Office as to no further subdivision of the property.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon
On motion ~made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED to approve the site plan of Southold Savings B~mk
subject to receipt of the revision of planting schedule sheet of
the site plan showing two curb cuts on Youngs Avenue.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon
Planning Board. -10- December 18, 1978
Laurelwood Estates~ Section I. The Planning Board requests that
the Inspector, Jack Davis, make an inspection of this subdivision
regarding the drainage therein.
Mr. Gordon made a motion, seconded by Mr. Raynor and carried
to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of November 27,
1978, with a change on page 2 to indicate total rainfall in Nassau
Point to be 40 inches rather than 4 to 6 inches.
T~ere being no further business to come before the Board,
Mr. Coyle made a motion, seconded by Mr. Gordon and carried to
adjourn the meeting. Meeting adjourned at 10:55 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Muriel Brush, ~ecretary
~QTm Wickham, Chairman