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SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971
TELEPHONE 765-1313
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Molsa
Alfred Grebe
Henry Raynor
Frank Coyle
MINUTES
August 20, 1975
A speci81 meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board
was held on August 20, 1975 at 12:30 p.m. at the Fishers
Island School, Fishers Island, New York.
Present were Vice-Chairman Moisa, Frank S. Coyle,
Henry Raynor and Alfred Grebe. Absent was Mr. Wickham.
Mr. Walsh (Zabahonski) had an appointment with the
Planning Board to discuss a new proposal he has for one
of his holdings on Fishers Island. This piece of property
has been before the Planning Board in the past as a
conventional subdivision but Mr. Walsh is now contemplating
creating a cluster development or perhaps going for a
downzoning for multiple. He wants about twenty homes on
ten acres with tennis courts and so forth. Mr. Walsh
indicated that he would like to sell the homes and not
the land.
Mr. Raynor: If you have 20 homes and the rest is open
space. With a cluster you have to sell each lot and the
remainder of the open space would be held jointly by the
lot owners. The open area would be held in common. If
you stay a half acre or above you would not need a change
of zone. If you want to go more you have to go for a
change of zone.
Mr. Walsh wants an area for a garden and one caretaker
to take care of the whole thing. He anticipates having
contractors come in and build.
Mr. Moisa: Whatever you do you have to leave a certain part
as open space. If you have twenty homes, you can cluster
on ten and leave the other ten open in perpetuity.
Mr. Raynor: It goes into a Home Owners Association. A tennis
court can be put in a cluster.
Mr. Walsh: We can build on half an acre in community
clustering?
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Mr. Raynor: Yes. In a change of zone you lose a year.
Mr. Walsh: In other words, you need an acre for each house.
Mr. Raynor: Are you within 500 feet of the water at any
point?
Mr. Grebe: No.
Mr. Raynor:
omit lots 26
presented to
two years or
You may create a problem with that. If you
- 31 (shown on map Mr. Walsh had previously
the Planning Board). You can sell one every
so, as an occasional sale.
Mr. Moisa: We will wait to get something from Gordon Ahlers.
At this point of the meeting, Mr. Walsh wished to discuss
the possibility of a lobster farm across the street from
the property on the water.
Mr. Walsh: On this high point we have about ten acres. We
want to have a lobster farm. I have been working on it since
1928. I have already ex~perimented. I can raise a lobster in
two year's time. I am trying for a lobster farm with solar
heat.
Mr. Moisa: Are you having auy buildings?
Mr. Walsh: It has to be covered for solar heat.
Mr. Raynor: You have a couple of steps here. One, to dredge
the channel you need a permit from the Army Corp~ of Engineers.
Before you can put any building up, you have to have a change
of zone. In order to do any dredging you have to go to the
State DEC and probably the Town Trustees. Have you talked to
anyone in the State?
Mr. Walsh: Somebody from the State came in and said they
are going to give another area somewhere else. This was
planned to be dredged out for a lagoon. We have more than
enough boa~s and I would like to experiment on this thing and
see if I can raise lobsters in a short period of time.
Mr. Coyle: Are there one foot elevations on most of it?
Mr. Walsh: Yes, and some are a half a foot.
Mr. Raynor: Why don't you have your attorney contact the
State DEC and see what they say. Whatever their decision is
we have to abide by it.
Mr. Walsh: I applied in 1973 and at t~at time they were not
organized. It came in September or October of 1973. This was
in the office at this time but I never got a reply and I
didn't follow it through.
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Mr. Raynor: I think it would be good to keep us in touch
on what the State says.
Mr. Walsh: Is the man's name Haje?
Mr. Raynor: Yes.
Mr. Coyle: How many acres is it?
Mr. Walsh: Nine.
Mr. Grebe: How much does Nitze have?
Mr. Walsh: Eight acres.
Mr. Walsh complained that part of one acrea has been used
for a cump. He brought in about fifteen yards to cover it
over and got a letter to pull it out. He said he spent about
$100 on D-con because there were so many rats. Mr. Walsh
thanked the Planning Board for the time they had given him.
The Board then went over the site plan of Norkus as presented
by Gordon Ahlers and found the following not yet complied with.
~100-134 A (9) A complete outline of existing deed restrictions
or covenants applying to the property.
1oo-134 B (1)
Existing contours at intervals of five (5) feet
or less, referred to a datum satisfactory to the
Board.
100-134 C (3)
~100-134 C (4)
~100-134 D (3)
~100-134 O (4)
Locations, dimensions, grades and flow direction
of existing sewers, culverts and water lines
as well as other underground and aboveground
utilities within and adjacent to the property..
Other existing development, including fences,
landscaping and screening. (The Planning Board
will require shrubs and a planting schedule.)
The location, direction, power and time of use
of any proposed outdoor lighting or public-
address systems.
The location of and plans for any outdoor signs.
Are parking areas calculated?
Mr. Raynor suggested the purchase of the "American Land
Planning Law". This will be discussed at the next meeting.
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The Planning Board reviewed the amendments to the Code of
the Town of Souhold as it refers to firewells. It was
decided that the pumping capacity be changed from 400 gsllons
per minute to 350 gallons per~inute. It should also be
added that the depth of water should be at least 40 feet.
After revision the proposal should be ~gain sent to Mr.
Tasker for his approval or comments.
Mr. Coyle made a motion, seconded by Mr. Grebe and
carried that the meeting be adjourned. Meeting adjourned
1:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Southold Town Planning Board