HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-11/17/1975Southold Town Planning Board
SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971
TELEPHONE 765-1313
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Molsa
Alfred Grebe
Henry Raynor
Frank Coyle
MINUTES
November 17, 1975
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board
was held November 17, 1975 at 7:30 p.m. at the Town Clerk's
Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. Present were Chairman
John Wickham, Vice-Chairman Henry Moisa, and members Henry
Raynor, Frank Coyle and Alfred Grebe. Also present were
Sherley Katz representing the Long Island Traveler-Watchman,
Joseph Campbell representing the Suffolk Weekly Times and
Steve Galante representing Suffolk Life.
7:30 p.m. Public Hearing on the preliminary map of "Sound
~Estates". Steve Tsontakis appeared.
Vice-Chairman Henry Moisa presided at the Public Hearing.
Henry Raynor read the Notice of Hearing.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that pursuant to Section 276 of
the Town Law, Public Rearing will be held by the Southold
Town Planning Board at the Town Clerk's Office, Main Road,
Southold, New York, in said town on the 17th day of November,
1975 on the question of the following:
7:30 p.m. Approval of the preliminary map of property
owned by Sound Road Estates, Inc., known as "Sound Road
Estates" consisting of a parcel of land situate, lying and
being at Mattituck, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County,
New York, bounded and described as follows:
BEGINNING at a monument set on the easterly line of
Sunset Drive at the southeasterly terminus thereof, as said
street is laid out and shown on a certain map entitled,
"Map of Sunset Knolls, Section", and filed as Map No. 5448;
runuing thence along land now or formerly of Sledjeski
three courses and distances as follows: (1) S. 22° 22' 30"
E. 113.87 feet; (2) N. 67° 37' 30" E. 186.39 feet; (3)
N. 22° 22' 30" W. 100.74 feet to the southerly side of Lot
#48 as shown on "Map of Sunset Knolls, Section Two", (filed
map no. 5448); running thence along the southerly lines of
lots 48, 47, 46, 45, 44, 43 and 42 on the "Map of Sunset
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Knolls, Section Two", (filed map No. 5448), N. 71° 39' 20" E.
539.05 feet; turn, lng thence N. ll° 07' 00" W. 0.31 feet to
the southwesterly terminus of Dogwood Lane; running thence
along the southerly line of Dogwood Lane and lot #41 on "Map
of Sunset Knolls, Section Two", (filed map no. 5448), N. 78°
53' 00" E. 250.39 feet to land now or formerly of Charles
Kleinschmidt; running thence along said land now or formerly
of Charles Kleinschmidt the following three courses and
distances as follows: (1) S. ll° 07' 00" E. 90.67 feet, (2)
S. ll° 34' 00" E. 182.00 feet, (3) S. ll° ll' 00" E. 432.95
feet; running thence along other land now or formerly of
Sledjeski the following seven courses and distances as follows:
(1) S. 78° 49' 00" W. 267.00 feet; (2) S. ll° ll' 00" E. 80.00
feet; (3) thence along the arc of a curve to the left whose
radius is 225.69 feet for a distance of 159.07 feet; (4) S.
51° 34' 00" E. 97.64 feet; (5) thence along the arc of a curve
to the left whose radius is 283.58 feet, for a distance of
98.99 feet; (6) S. 71° 34' 00" E. 50.00 feet; (7) thence on a
curve to the left whose radius is 25.00 feet, for a distance of
39.27 feet to the northwesterly side of Luther's Road; thence
along the northwesterly side of Luther's Road S. 18° 26' 00"
W. 234.31 feet; running thence N. 88° 32' 30" W. 60.39 feet
to a point; running thence S. 76° 35' 00" W. 63.76 feet to
land now or formerly of Robert Roesch; running thence along
land of Roesch three courses and distances as follows: (1)
N. 15° 03' 00" W. 77.87 feet; (2) S. 74° 57' 00" W. 68.36
feet; (3) S. 63° 23' 00" W. 119.05 feet to land now or
formerly of Estelle J. 01sen; running thence along land of
Estelle J. 01sen the following four courses and distances as
follows: (1) N. 26° 37' 00" W. 222.10 feet; (2) S. 69° 45'
00" W. 113.70 feet; (3) S. 23° 34' 40" E. 7.11 feet; (4)
S. 63° 05' 38" W. 222.81 feet to the easterly line of the
Playground as shown on "Map of Rosewood Estates", (filed
map no. 5240); running thence along the easterly line of the
Playground as shown on said "Map of Rosewood Estates",
(filed map no. 5240), N. 23° 56' 00" W. 84.07 feet to a
monument; thence along the northerly line of the Playground
and Recharge Basin as shown on "Map of Rosewood Estates",
(filed map no. 5240), S. 74° 08' 20" W. 373.56 feet to land
formerly of C. Murphy, now of H. Hubbard; thence along the
last mentioned land the following two courses: (1) N. 22°
51' 40" W. 485.46 feet; (2) N. 22° 34' 40" W. 316.50 feet to
the southwesterly corner of the Recreation Area shown on
"Map of Sunset Knolls, Section Two", (filed map no. 5448);
running thence along the southerly and easterly lines of the
Recreation Area on "Map of Sunset Knolls, Section Two",
(filed map no. 5448), two courses and distances as follows:
(1) N. 67° 37' 30" E. 178.45 feet; (2) N. 22° 22' 30" W.
113.87 feet to the Southwesterly terminus of Sunset Drive
as shown on said "Map of Sunset Knolls, Section Two",
(filed map no. 5448); ruuning thence along the southerly
line of Sunset Drive N. 67° 37' 30" E. 50.00 feet to the
point or place of beginning. Containing 28.657 acres, more or
less.
Planning Board -3- ~vember 17, 1975
Any person desiring to be heard on the above matter
should appear at the time and place above specified.
Dated: November 6, 1975
BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN
PLANNING BOARD
JOHN WICKHAM, CHAIRMAN
Proof of publication was presented from the Suffolk Weekly
Times properly notarized.
Vice-Chairman Moisa: This is a preliminary hearing. As is
usual, we will hear first from anyone that wishes to speak
against this subdivision. Hearing none, we will ask for any-
one that is interested in speaking in favor of this subdiv-
ision.
Steve Tsontakis: I represent Sound Road Estates, Inc. To
date, I believe we have made all the changes recommended by
the Planning Board and the Town Engineer and this map reflects
all those changes which include location of the Park and Play-
ground, recharging the drainage within the property even though
the natural drainage is outside the property. We will stop
the flow through this piece of land with the drainage as shown
and will dry up the pond. We have included the road to the
west to the Murphy land and shown the water mains. Water will
be supplied by the Captain Kidd Pumping Company. We pray
that the Planning Board finds this map favorable and allows
us to go to a final.
Mr. Moisa: Is there anyone else wishing to speak? Have you
been advised of the fact that we have another memorandum from
the engineer to the Superintendent of Highways?
Mr. Tsontakis: Cuts and fills to be balanced. The cuts that
we made are in effect to optimize the flow of water so we can
catch it on the land. The excess material will be displaced
onto the lots because if we don't do that we are going to end
up with lots below the level of the road and they will become
undesirable pieces of land. Except for the soil in the
recharge basin, all topsoil will stay except what we take out
of the roads. The excess fill will be spread so that we don't
end up with lots too far below the grade.
Mr. Coyle: Are you going to take any off the property?
Mr. Tsontakis: Except what we take out of the roads,we are
going to have to dispose of it.
Mr. Moisa: Will it be more than you need to bring your lots
up to road level?
Mr. Tsontakis: Yes, it is fairly irregular so some of the
cuts are fairly deep.
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Mr. Tsontakis: Catch basins require alot of work on the part
of whoever is responsible for the roads because they tend to
silt up. We are trying to avoid turning over a road that will
be a large maintenance to the Town.
Mr. Wickham: The two top ones of these profiles are undercut
more than we normally allow. Is it all staked out?
Mr. Tsontakis: We have cleared the brush on the roads. No
material has been removed.
Mr. Wickham: When our engineer suggested it and it is
definitely in our policies and we have definitely said the
roads were so to be designed so they will be slightly above
the level of the lots. This is clearly stated in our rules
and regulations. If there is some reason it should be that
way we would be glad to listen to it but our engineer and rules
and regulations clearly say that the roads canuot be undercut.
You have to prove this is a better design. You are undercutting
quite sharply and undercutting makes problems because you
canalize all your storm water. You collect it off and you give
it no chance to get away where if you do what the rules and
regulations state and have the crow~ of the road slightly
higher than the lot your storm water runs off. You don't want
it to collect in a couple of areas but you don't want to make
a river out of highways either. As far as our rules and
regulations are concerned this is not satisfactory.
Mr. Tsontakis: I don't think it indicates that the cuts and
fills are under the road. This land is so irregular if you
measure the linear footage of the roads you will see that there
is as much fill as there is cut. We can't set up a drainage
system that will lead to a catch basin.
Mr. Wickham: This will have to be thrashed out before we get
through. I am just pointing out to you what our rules and
regulations say.
The secretary was directed to contact Mr. Tuthill and ask him
to get in touch with Steve Tsontakis.
Mr. Tsontakis: Hydrants aren't applicable because we are not
talking about a water supply that will need a hydrant require-
ment. It isn't nine times the average daily use. We can put
hydrants in but they can only be used as fill hydrants not
pumping hydrants. There is a distinct difference. We can't
supply that kind of flow. You are talking about 500 gallons
a minute.
Mr. Moisa: We are working on amendments to the rules and
regulations that will require some sort of firewell.
Mr. Tsontakis: NJ.three we will be glad to do. We agree.
Number four I will have to discuss with Mr. Tuthill. Catch
basins at Luthers Road, I don't think there is any problem.
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Mr. Tsontakis: Dogwood Lane is no problem. Park and Play-
ground, I don't understand that comment at all. I think it
would be better planning to try to cluster the playground
area. In this particular location we are adjacent to the one
designated for Rosewood Estates.
Mr. Wickham: It is heavily wooded there, right?
Mr. Tsontakis: Yes, and I am going to have to cut out trees
for the recharge basin.
Mr. Raynor: Did you file a corporate foreclosure with this
Board? Give us a list of the directors and stockholders.
You had mentioned also that with the change of the recharge
basin you would close off some of the ponding on the adjacent
property.
Mr. Tsontakis: If you look at the tidal flood maps.
Mr. Raynor: The other half says that one of the neighbors
can't get in and out every spring.
Mr. Coyle: Do you have any idea how deep this pond is?
Mr. Tsontakis: It varies. In the spring it goes to around
four feet. This time of the year it is almost dry.~
Mr. Moisa: Is there anything else to discuss? If not, I
will declare the hearing closed.
Crown Land Lane. Mr. Irving Latham appeared.
Mr. Latham said Mr. Edson had approached him and would like
to have the roads changed to sand swales as in East Marion
at Pebble Beach Farms. Mr. Wickham said the Planuing Board
would have to have the recommendations of the Soil Conserva-
tion Service and if that was favorable the Planning Board
would recommend it to the Town Board. Mr. Latham said he
had spoken to the Superintendent of Highways and Mr. Demarest
and they were both in favor of it. The Town Board will
have to be checked with to see if they will go along with
more swales in the town as the two that were done were on
a five-year trial basis.
Rath Lodge. George Stankevich, Esq. appeared.
Mr. Stankevich: The hope would be to do aslittle damage
to the topography as possible. We thought this layout, the
swale system, would lend itself to a more handsome develop-
ment.
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Mr. Wickham: A very big slice was filled land and I don't
think there is any possibility of getting water for twenty
homes.
Mr. Stankevich: Since that point we have gone to the Health
Department and they directed as to where to put the test
holes.
Mr. Wickham: I am not interested in what the Suffolk County
Health Department has. We have fifteen or twenty homes in
Nassau Point which satisfied the Health Department and they
have salt water. Your client is talking about putting twenty
homes on an island in a meadow and he is going to have water
problems.
Mr. Stankevich: What section do you draw your authority
from in getting into areas of water and sanitary? Show me
the areas that are filled and some of the details. Much to
my surprise and disgust I heard down town that you would not
permit the development of this property without public
water. Hearing these types of statements on the street
without having the opportunity to discuss it with you was
very unfortunate. It seems predeterminations are being made
before you look at the facts. The property owner has started
with an open mind and this whole layout is evidence in every
aspect with his concern to have a development suitable for
the neighborhood and for the property owner. I specifically
brought up the item of water supply with Mr. Villa when he
selected the sites for pumping and testing. On lot 8 there
is an area which is filled, so-called, but if you look at
the test hole date there is a solid strata of water coming
down into this area and not different to the areas in Pine
Neck. You certainly have a legitimate concern and so does
he. The owner is in advanced years now and nobody wants to
buy it as a whole and he is forced to break up what is his
jewel. He even tried to sell it to several organizations.
It has to be divided and sold. We are trying to do it best
to satisfy you and the landowner. I would like your
recommendations in writing, preferably.
Mr. Rath's son arrived at this point.
Mr. Wickham: The problem as I see it is alot of this
property was filled land and the first time it came before
us I made the comment that it should require municipal
water. We have made that requirement for property across
the road. I still feel that although you have County Board
of Health approval of test holes, etc. that we the Planning
Board have a responsibility that goes beyond that due to
the fact that quite a few homes on Nassau Point have salt
water intrusion today. We are charged with a responsibility
to make sure that subdivisions don't come into this kind of
a problem. Everyone of those homes in Nassau Point have
had the approval of the Suffolk County Health Department.
They are not realistic about this.
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Mr. Stankevich: These have been tested under existing
standards, not what had been done in Nassau Point. I have
been told in town that the Planning Board will disapprove
it regardless of what the facts show. I would suggest that
we all investigate it further. I would assume, Mr. Chairman,
that you have not looked at the Health Department files.
Mr. Wickham: Their requirements are a two inch well and a
very limited pumping. This does not determine the sort of
thing I am concerned about.
Mr. Stankevich: I don't think you have any jurisdiction
because I think we can all avoid alot of pain by working
together. The closest public main is some distance away.
Maybe the town would like to set up a water district and
share the expense of bringing the water down so that this
one land owner doesn't get all the expense.
Mr. Raynor: I think you will find that the subdivision to
the south has some existing water problems. We have two
lots on the opposite side of the road that have no water at
all.
Mr. Stankevich: Evidently the drift is from Pine Neck to
the south.
Mr. Wickham: My point is there are seven lots in this
subdivision that are in effect in the same category. This
was a lot salt meadow and it has been filled. This doesn't
make the water good because it has been filled.
Mr. Stankevich: It doesn't make it bad either. I know we
have had it tested and I think you should look at the County
Health Department testings. Otherwise, you are telling my
client that you are a man with a closed mind.
Mr. Wickham: The other possibility is to arrange to have
your wells for the westerly lots up in this area.
Mr. Stankevich: We have discussed that and it is certainly
a possibility. The Health Department wants to avoid a
semi-public water system for twenty lots. Giving each of
these lot owners an easement is a possibility.
Mr. Wickham: The Planning Board has to make clear to you
that the County Board of Health didn't ask you to put it
there for fun. It is the worst spot. It is to your
advantage so you won't run into problems. We can't say you
have to have this or that but we do say you have a problem.
Mr. Raynor: In looking over your concept of swales, you
realize this concept has been accepted on two subdivisions
both of which were granted with the blessing of the Town
Board on an experimental basis. This is an experimental
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basis and it should not be deemed as a matter of course in
future development. Within your drainage structure I see
you have a twenty foot easement running to the bay. That
is a definite negative factor. One of the primary pollution
problems is asphalt, etc. running off. I don't think I
would be willing to see an emergency runoff going to the
Bay. I question the design criteria as to lot l0 which is
a flaglot.
Mr. Stankevich: We have a flaglot because we have fencing
there and it will remain in the natural state. It would
be an unpleasant subdivision if we made a grid out of it.
We have gone beyond your regulations to prevent these
houses from having driveways going out to the road. We
will take the screening out if you wish.
Mr. Raynor: I am talking about lot 10.
Mr. Stankevich: Lot l0 has useable access out to Bayview.
We have gone way beyond zoning in setbacks and how many
trees can be cut and so forth in our covenants and restrict-
ions.
Mr. Raynor: I would like to see some elevations for the
park and playground.
Mr. Stankevich: What about the concept. We thought that
was rather good because it would facilitate the inner lots
that could use boats.
Mr. Raynor: I think you discussed with the Board that you
would be in communication with Mr. Monsell.
Mr. Stankevich: I hope to have some contact and have some-
thing in time for the hearing. We are working on it. We
filed two applications for utilities. We are going under-
ground with utilities.
Mr. Raynor: I think the swale concept should be explored
further with the Superintendent of Highways and our own
engineering staff.
Mr. Howard Young: The emergency runoff I put in because
we did it with Fairway Farms.
Mr. Raynor: In Fairway Farms it goes to the meadow.
Mr. Stankevich: The road is going to be on the water side
of the timber so we don't have to push down alot of trees.
Our covenants and restrictions are extremely tight. We
spent quite a bit of time with Mr. Rath and his son and we
thought maybe they were too restrictive but we thought it
was worth it. You can't cut trees over four inches with-
out written permission of the developer. You can't clear
without permission. We have discussed the possible bulk-
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heading of this side of the boat basin.
Mr. Wickham: How much water do you have?
Mr. Stankevich: Six feet at low tide.
Mr. Raynor: If you hear any rumors on the street why don't
you call?
Mr. Wickham: We told Smith that we wouldn't approve his
lots until he got public water.
Mr. Stankevich: I will come with more data at the public
hearing. I will discuss with the Town Attorney what the Town
Board would think about public water.
Mr. Raynor: If you want swale, I would strongly urge that
you get something in writing from the Superintendent of High-
ways and the Highway Committee, at least for their perusal,
because if they are not looking at it favorably it would
cause a problem in major design.
Mr. Wickham: What datum did you use?
Mr. Young: Coastal Geodetic.
These followed a discussion as to a mistake on the map
which shows the contours showing the elevation far different
from the test well distance to water. When asked to explain which
was right the contours shown or the Dept. of Health, Mr. H0ward YOung
said the County. * * *
Time Structures. George Stankevich, Esq. and Mr. Rath's
son appeared.
Mr. Raynor mentioned that the park and playground should be
on the Sound. Front yard setback and setback from the top
of the bluff which is a requirement of County Planning.
There is a superblock created. There was discussion about
clustering this subdivision andmaking the lots 125 feet on
the Sound. Permission will have to be obtained from the
To~n Board in order to use this concept. Mr. Stankevich
requested another sketch conference at a future time.
Soundview Acres at Orient. Richard Cron, Esq. appeared.
Mr. Cron presented his letter f~om the DEC which is to
be forwarded to County Planning so they will take action
on the final map of this subdivision.
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Long Pond Estates. Richard Cron, Esq. appeared.
Mr. Cron reviewed the recommendations of Mr. Tuthill.
1. That all reverse curves have 200' tangents. He said he
didn't understand that recommendation.
2. That all pipe for drainage have minimum size of 18" ~.
Mr. Cron said that was standard specs.
3. That all water lines be carried to the property lines
of adjacent lands and cross over pipes be made to each lot
prior to surfacing of roads. Mr. Cron said the water lines
were taken to the boundaries.
4. That there be a 15' berm around all recharge basins
with road to bottom of the basin. This is standard specs.
5. That manholes be placed 150' along drainage pipes.
Standard specs.
6. That the recharge basin at lot no. 40 is insufficient.
7. That a recharge basin be at north end of the prop~y.
These two recommendations Mr. Cron will discuss with his
engineer.
Greenbriar Acres. Richard Cron, Esq. appeared.
It was the consensus of the Planning Board that Woodfield
Court remain where it is. Mr. Cron requested that the matter
be placed for a public hearing. (Request proper documents
from him)
Robins Island. Jack Driscoll and Stanley Waimey appeared.
Mr. Driscoll: These are three acre parcels each 150 feet
wide. We legally own one hundred feet into the water and
we are going to deed it. Covenants and restrictions would
say one house on three acres. There are 125 lots altogether
with the interior lots.
Mr. Raynor: On the basis of the sketch will you be willing
to tie up the remaining parcels in the corporation that is
developing the island saying there will be no further
density?
Mr. Driscoll: We might ask them to allow 14 or 15 acres
for a golf course like a Par 3. Holzmacher is getting
aerial photos.
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Mr. Raynor: You have no other alternatives at this time?
Mr. Driscoll: We are looking for a maximum of 125. Holz-
macher has made a study. Monsell has made a study and they
all think we can get individual wells and get enough water
there. I can't guarantee it until we have test wells on it.
If we can't get it that way we can get it with reservoirs.
Mr. Raynor: Could you get a report available to the Board?
Mr. Driscoll: Also from the Board of Health, in their
opinion we will not need a sewage disposal plant because
of the size and amount of lots we are going for. We will
probably have to put in a power plant and possibly a tele-
phone sending station.
Mr. Wickham~ We have seen Robins Island presented to this
Board twice before. We have had some ideas that if you are
going to develop it there should be some sort of a docking
facility for reasonably small boats for the property owners.
Mr. Driscoll: I think we are going to put it right ~ere.
We own 1,O00 feet out and 250 feet wide. If we bulkhead
this it is alot safer. Out here we have six or seven feet
at low tide at the end of the dock. We might go out further
and run a bulkhead and have the boats come in and have
floating docks. The only problem here is your northeaster
and Nassau Point helps so you can't get hit too bad in here.
We are trying to come up with the safest place with the
least problem year-round. This is a solid bulkhead here
n~w. It is a beautiful spot. I think the answer is going
to be what the environmental and Army Corps of Engineers
want. We do own it. It is on the deeds and the land grant.
Mr. Wickham: You have another problem and that is a ferry.
If you are going to have to build a ferry facility anyway
you may as well have dockage for smaller boats.
Mr. Driscoll: We are trying to come up with a passenger
ferry and put in a bulkhead so we can come in in the worst
of weather. We might use LCMs to bring trucks over and
land them right on the beach.
Mr. Wickham: If you use an LCM or something like that then
you can get away from part of your parking problem in New
Suffolk. You can have these people drive to their own
~roperty. It takes an awful lot of parking for 125~ homes.
Mr. Raynor: I think you will find you have to go to FAA.
Mr. Wickham: Don't forget that people who are buying a
house for $100,000 would have at least three cars.
Mr. Driscoll: We also have a 244 foot beach in New
*Mr. Driscoll commented on having a proposed landing strip
on the north sand bar of Robins Island.
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Suffolk and might be a way of trading that off for some
parking facilities. This is what we are thinking about. We
are not closing our minds to anything. We are trying to
keep cars off this island. We need utility vehicles and a
fire truck. We might put a mini-bus on the island. It is
our idea not to have cars on the island.
Mr. Raynor: What alternatives are you proposing?
Mr. Driscoll: We are thinking of golf carts. We are leaving
this parking area strictly for that purpose. We will
probably have another parking area for the people if they
want to use the beach. 80% of the people use the beach
about 1/10 as much as they used it when they were summer.(residents)
Mr. Wickham: I have heard alot about these golf carts
and I have seen quite a few proposals but I haven't seen
one come to pass. For every ten that are submitted, perhaps
one gets into operation.
Mr. Driscoll: I think the difference is we would own the
whole island and we have the right to put any kind of
covenants and restrictions that we want if we think we can
live with it. We have done a study on it. Everybody is
raving about the idea of electric carts. We don't ever want
to put blacktop roads in. We will have a homeowners assoc-
iation and the roads will be theirs and if they decide to
put town roads in then let them go ahead and do it. I
really don't think it will happen.
Mr. Raynor: You mention that you feel you might have to
put in an electric generating plant. If you oil fire you
will run into tank storage of some sort. You will need a
facility to load the tanks.
Mr. Driscoll: You know what Northville has. You can do
the same at the end of the pier.
Mr. Grebe: Wouldn't it be cheaper to bring the power in
from the mainland?
Mr. Driscoll: LILCO says $200,000 to bring it in. I have
a price on the power plant of $175,000 with a standby plant
with it. I was advised by the e~ineers to start our own
telephone company instead of paying $80,000 for theirs.
Mr. Raynor: With tank storage you are going to run into
change of zone.
Mr. Driscoll: There will have to be a piece of the island
somewhere rezoned for storage of oil and for a store.
Mr. Wickham: Do you have to get a permit to run a cable
underwater?
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Mr. Driscoll: We will shoot it across with radio lines.
Mr. Driscoll left three copies of the sketch map. Henry
Raynor took one.
Harry Baglivi change of lot line. Mr. Baglivi appeared.
The following letter under date of November 14, 1975 from
the Southold Town Board of Appeals was read.
Dear Mr. Wickham:
Re: Appeal No. 2089 - Harry & Lillian
Baglivi, Nassau Point Road,
Cutchogue, N. Y. - Lots #3 and #2,
Minor subdivision #10.
A hearing was held for the above appeal on November 6,
1975. The Board of Appeals GRANTED permission to Harry &
Lillian Baglivi to alter property line, as applied for,
subject to the following conditions:
That the line between Lots #3 aud #2 Would be
moved, under this Action, 12 feet to the west
and parallel to the original line, increasing
Lot #2 slightly, and decreasing Lot #3 slightly.
That this Action shall be subject to the approval
of the Southold Town Planning Board as this minor
subdivision was created by the Planning Board.
The findings of the Board are that applicant wishes
to preserve the entrance to his garage which is located
on Lot #1 of Minor Subdivision #10 as described on Van Tuyl
survey of June 16, 1967, and does not wish to have to do
away with 12 feet of his parking area. Applicant has ten-
tative plans to build a house for his daughter on Lot
The Board agrees with the reasoning of the applicant.
/s/ Marjorie McDermott
Secretary
Mr. Moisa told Mr. Baglivi that this Board would discuss
the matter later in the evening and make a decision.
San Simeon Retirement Home. George Koch and Pastor Coleman
appeared.
Mr. Radnor suggested that as long as the Church owns it,
the variance would be in effect but if the Church were to
sell any part of it the variance would be relinquished.
Planning Board -1~- l~ovember 17, 1975
Mr. Wickham: Subdivision rules and regulations apply unless
they are waived or you get a variance. Each use should be
computed separately. For every subdivision the park and
playground requirement will be met. The density computations
should exclude roads. We suggest 20% that the State uses
for ~ark and playground and highways. They reduce the overall
area by 20% and this is incorporated in our cluster provision.
The highways must meet town specifications. These have to
be met or variances or waivers obtained. The setbacks are
not adequate. The separation isn't adequate on some of this.
If you take the figure that we have used before 20% for park
and playground and highways, you are going to reduce the
number by something close to 15%. This is our job to cut
down density.
Mr. Raynor: The Inn, is t~is an area within the plan which
has to gear up to a certain volume to sustain itself?
Pastor Coleman: When you are providing meals and facilities
to examine people and so forth, you have to have a certain
volume. We have based this on imput from other operations
of this sort. We are making the dining room a little larger
with the idea that people ceni~ake guests there for meals.
We are not trying to isolate people from that facility
even though it is two different facilities.
Mr. Raynor: Nave you considered leaving the structure and
disconnecting the structure either a third or a half from
the main dining area so you could come up with a computation
that could comply?
Mr. Koch: We have not explored that because the whole pur-
pose is to keep them inside.
Mr. Raynor:
stage?
Is there a possibility in having it as a two
Pastor Coleman: How much square footage would be needed to
house eighty-four residents, then allot that much square
footage for that particular facility?
Mr. Wickham: You could make the area A, B and C.
Mr. Raynor: With the LILC0 piece what are you picking up?
Mr. Koch: About 32,000 square feet so it is about two units
more. It lowers the density.
Mr. Raynor: The movie is excluded?
~ztor Coleman: We don't think housing should be on the Main
Road. We are trying to save that for something more institu-
tional rather than residential because it is already business.
Plar~uing Board -15- November' 17, 1975
Mr. Raynor: Should you design a church for the future in
that area would that facility require the amount of property
that you set aside?
Pastor Coleman: No, and we are trying to pick up this piece
of property here (indicated property owned by Price).
Mr. Raynor: By building a buffer you are lowering your
density.
It was suggested that Mr. Koch contact Mr. Howard Terry,
Building Inspector, and get an exact list of what is going to
be in variance to the ordinance. It was decided to hold a
meeting in the near future with Mr. Terry, a member of the
Appeals Board, a member of the Planning Board and ~he Tow~
Attorney.
On motion made by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Raynor,
it was
RESOLVED to approve the final map of the subdivision
known as "Highland Estates" subject to receipt of the bond
by the Town Board~ receipt of inspection fee, submission
to the Suffolk County Plauning Commission.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Moisa, Coyle,
Grebe and Raynor.
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Grebe,
it was
RESOLVED to recommend to the Town Board the bond
amount of $200,000 for the subdivision known as "~tghland
Estates".
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Moisa, Coyle,
Grebe and Raynor.
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Wickham,
it was
RESOLVED to approved the minor subdivision of
property owned by Errol W. Doebler located on Town Creek
in Southold subject to thirty-five foot setbacks being
placed on the map.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Moisa, Coyle,
Grebe and Raynor.
Planning Board -16- ~ovember 17, 1975
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle,
it was
RESOLVED to hold a public hearing on the final map of
subdivision known as "Greton Estates" located at Mattituck,
New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Moisa, Coyle,
Grebe and Raynor.
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Wickham,
it was
RESOLVED to approve the sketch map of the minor sub-
division of property of Barbara Howard located on Sound~iew
Avenue, Southold.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Moisa, Coyle,
Grebe and Raynor.
Norkus site plan.
Mr. Raynor reported that there was no drainage plan,
no exterior lighting plan and that the Building InspectOr
would take care of it.
Inlet East.
Mr. Raynor reported that Lawrence Tuthill, Justice
Surer and he had gone to the site of the subdivisionkknown
as "Inlet East". The catch basin was in the wrong spot but
can be corrected. They stopped the contractor putting in
the curbs and talked to the person that put in the catch
basin and he said he would comply with the plans. There
is over a hundred feet of drainage pipe going down the north
side of the trees over Harborview Road. He was in favor of
having the pipe put on the easement on lot 14 because he
was afraid he would kill the trees. Mr. Esseks said we
can have a drainage easement along lot 14 and the catch
basin will be rectified.
Mr. Raynor suggested that the zonisg ordinance be changed
to become non-cumulative instead of cumulative. If it is
commercial, multiple shouldn't be able to be put in. If
the rest of the board agrees, Mr. Raynor would like to do
the homework with the Town Attorney on this matter. The
board was polled and all were in favor.
Planning Board -17- November 17, 1975
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa,
it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board adopt
amendments to the Rules and Regulations for the Subdivision
of Land of said Town as follows:
By amending Subdivision B of Section 106-33 of Article
III of the Town of Southold Land Subdivision Regulations as
follows:
B. Improvements. Streets shall be graded and improved
with pavements, curbs and gutters, sidewalks, drainage
facilities, water mains, sewers, streetlights and street
signs, street trees and fire hydrants and/or firewells.
Firewells shall have an eight-inch casing, a twenty-foot
bronze screen, and shall have a pumping capacity of three
hundred fifty gallons per minute. There shall be a depth of
water of at least forty feet. There shall be a minimum of
one fire hydrant and/or firewell for each thirty dwelling
lots shown on the subdivision map. Notwithstanding the fore-
going, upon request, the Planning Board, upon written approval
of the Superintendent of Highways and the Town Board Highway
Committee, may waive, subject to appropriate conditions, such
improvements as it considers may be omitted without jeopardy
to the public health, safety and general welfare. Pedestrian
easements shall be improved as required by the Planning Board.
Such grading and improvements shall be approved as to design
and specifications by the Town Superintendent of Highways
and the Town Board Highway Committee.
By amending Paragraph 9 of Subdivision A of Section
106-42 of Article III of the Town of Southold Land Subdivision
Regulations as follows:
(9) The approximate location and size of all proposed
water lines, valves, hydrants and/or firewells, sewer lines
and fire alarm boxes; connections to existing lines or
alternate means of water supply or sewage disposal and
treatment, as provided in the Public Health Law, profiles
of all proposed water and sewer lines.
By amending Paragraph 6 of Subdivision A of Section
106-43 of Article IV of the Town of Southold Land Subdivision
Regulations as follows:
(6) An estimate as to the cost of the required improve-
ments, including, but not limited to, streets, curbing, san-
itary sewers, storm drain lines, water lines, fire hydrants
and/or firewells.
By amending Subdivision A of Section 106-43 of Article
IV of the Town of Southold Land Subdivision Regulations by
adding a new paragraph to be Paragraph (8) to read as follows:
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(8) If firewells are to be installed, a copy of the
proposed agreement to be entered into with the appropriate
fire district to convey title to said firewells to the fire
district when completed, together with legal access thereto.
Vote of the Board: Mr. Wiekham - aye
Mr. Moisa - aye
Mr. Coyle - aye
Mr. Grebe - aye
Mr. Raynor - aye
Resolution declared duly adopted.
On motion made by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Raynor,
it was
P~ESOLVED to hold a public hearing on the preliminary
map of subdivision known as "Laurelwood Estates~ Section 2"
located at Laurel, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Moisa, Coyle,
Grebe and Raynor.
On motion made by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle,
it was
RESOLVED to hold a public hearing on the preliminary
map of subdivision known as "The Rath Lodge" located at
Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Moisa, Coyle,
Grebe and Raynor.
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Wickham,
it was
RESOLVED to approve the action of the Southold Town
Board of Appeals dated November 6, 1975 granting permission
to Harry and Lillian Baglivi to alter property line, as
applied for, subject to conditions set by them.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Moisa, Grebe,
Coyle and Raynor.
Planning Board -- -19- ~vember 17, 1975
On motion made by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Raynor
and 6arried the minutes of the meeting of October 28, 1975
were approved.
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor
and carried, the meeting was adjourned. Meeting was adjourned
at 11:30 p.m.
kJ/ohn Wickham, Chairman
Respectfully submitted,
Muriel Brus~ Secretary