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JOHN WICKHAM, Chairman
FRANK S. COYLE
HENRY E. RAYNOR. Jr.
FREDERICK E, GORDON
JAMES WALL
Southold, N.Y. 11971
TELEPHONE
765- 1938
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A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was
on Tuesday, January 9, 1979 at 7:30 p.m., at the Town Hall,
Road, Southold, New York. Present were:
Chairman John Wickham
Vice-Chairman Henry E. Raynor, Jr.
Member Frank S. Coyle
Member Frederick E. Gordon
Member James Wall
Arthur & Millicent Gossner, League of Women Voters
Frank Bear, North Fork Environmental Council
Douglas Love - L. I. Traveler-Watchman
Jack Ryan - Suffolk Times
7:30 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the
minor subdivision of property of Briscoe Smith to be conveyed to
Rev. William Hilliard at Fishers Island. Present were Franklin
Reed, Esq., and Mr. Briscoe Smith.
Mr. Raynor read the legal notice of hearing and presented
proof of publication.
Mr. Wickham: This is on the highway so there is no recommendation
required from the Superintendent of Highways. (Mr. Wickham went
over the checklist.) Everything seems to be in order. We have
discussed this and the Planning Board has made some recommendations
that have been followed out. Do we have any covenant and restriction,
I think we discussed if we were going to be much over 40,000 we
would require a covenant that the area would not be resubdivided.
The way you have this now, Lot B has an area of 53,000.
Mr. Reed: At the time we discussed that I understood you to say
that would not be required. We had asked and I think in fact
we discussed the interest of the Town would be served. In fact,
that additional acreage was caused by straightening out the line.
Mr. Wickham: Wouldn't you say this was quite difficult land here?
Mr. Reed: Yes, I would.
Planning Board -2- January 9, 1979
Mr. Wickham: At this time, I will ask for anyone that wishes to
be heard in opposition to this subdivision. Hearing none, is there
anyone that wishes to be heard in favor.
Mr. Reed: We would like to urge that it be approved in that
there is really no other configuration that would ~ake sense in
the light of the configuration of the remaining ten acres that is
under common ownership. Any other configuration would result in
unusually shaped pieces of land of no use to anyone.
Mr. Wickham: We note there is a garage that is slightly over the
line. That is not our problem. I just want to bring it to your
attention. At this time I will declare the hearing closed and
I would like to entertain a motion that the Planning Board waive
the filing of the covenants and restrictions on Lot B in view of
the fact that that land in the southeast corner is very difficult
and it does not seem reasonable that it will ever be presented
for another house lot.
Mr. Wall made a motion, seconded by Mr. Coyle and carried to
waive the filing of the covenants and restrictions on Lot B in
view of the fact that the land in the southeast corner is very
difficult and it does not seem reasonable that it will ever be
presented for another house lot, on the minor subdivision of
property of Briscoe Smith to be conveyed to Rev. William Hilliard.
Mr. Wickham: We sometimes get in a bind where some attorney says
you didn't require so and so and we want to keep the record
straight. We will take action later this evening unless the Board
wants to take action now.
Mr. Coyle: I think we will have to check it over.
Mr. Wickham: We normally vote on these together at the end of
the meeting.
Suzanne Clark - Dan Fogarty site plan referral from the Board of
Appeals. Discussion was held with Mrs. Clark.
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Wall, it was
RESOLVED to approve the site plan of Suzanne Clark as
contract vendee subject to receipt of a covenant that no further
submissions on parcels A and B will be brought to any Board in
the Town of Southold and said covenant will run with the property
and said covenant to be recorded in the Suffolk County Clerk's
Office.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
Planning Board -3- January 9, 1979
8:00 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the
preliminary map of the subdivision to be known as "Bayview Woods
Corporation" located at Southold, New York. Present were Howard
Young and Joseph Shipule, representative of the applicant. Mr.
Raynor read the legal notice of hearing and presented proof of
publication in the Suffolk Times.
Mr. Wickham: I have a question. Apparently the light pole, one
of the light poles is not in this right-of-way.
Mr. Young: It is an undefined right-of-way.
Mr. Wickham: (went over checklist) The Superintendent of Highways
review seems to be missing. It is not within 500 feet of salt
water or state or county roads so it doesn't have to be sent to
the County. At this time I will open the hearing to anyone that
wishes to be heard in opposition to this subdivision. Hearing
none, I will ask for anyone that wishes to be heard in favor of
this subdivision.
Mr. Young: I believe that this subdivision has been discussed at
quite some length with the Board and since there is no opposition
request that you grant approval to the preliminary map so we may
proceed with this subdivision.
Mr. Wickham: This is a memorandum from our engineer to the
Superintendent of Highways regarding the subdivision entitled
"Bayview Woods Corporation".
Recommends:
1. That the road grades be raised to balance the cut and fill
2. That a firewell be provided
That screen planting be used on the south side of the
recharge basin or it be relocated in the general vicinity.
If the recharge basin is not relocated it is recommended
that the gate be relocated to the north side.
That integral curb be used on Road "C" from station 2-00
to the end of the cul de sac.
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That the adjacent land in the general proximity of
catch basin #6 and the leaching pools be raised so as
to preclude a washout from the leaching pools.
Mr. Wickham: The screening can be worked out with Larry. It is
not clear to me whether or not he would want the gate relocated
if it was screened.
Mr. Raynor: If you are going to leave it there, move the gate to
the north side.
Mr. Young: In No.4 I stayed under the grade so I wouldn't need it.
Planning Board -4- January 9, 1979
Mr. Wickham: These are the recommendations that have already
gone to the Superintendent of Highways. (#6) In other words put
a berm around the outside. If you are going to lower that grade
a little bit you are not going to have a problem because you are
going to automatically have higher land there.
Mr. Young: That is no problem. You adopt those? Will you let
me know which ones you do?
Mr. Wickham: He recommends to the Superintendent of Highways.
Mr. Young: And he recommends to you.
Mr. Wickham: We have to have a letter from the Supt. of Highways
so if you think some of these are way out you can talk to the
Supt. of Highways.
Mr. Young: You don't have to follow his recommendations?
Mr. Wickham: It all depends. We pretty well have to follow the
recommendations of the Supt. of Highways or have a very good
reason not to. Not only that, they have to be approved by the
Highway Committee and we are pretty well bound by them. These
are recommendations only and if you feel you have any reason .....
Mr. Young: I only have your ordinance.
Mr. Raynor: If you flopped the recharge basin over to lot 9 would
it make the entrance more esthetically pleasing?
Mr. Shipule: No, that is too high there. This is low land.
This goes down.
Mr. Young:
planting.
I would rather have it where it is with the screen
Mr. Raynor: You are fencing right to the property line which
leaves problems as far as the planting.
Mr. Young: We could move the fence back.
Mr. Raynor: You have enough room for the apron and your slope.
I was just looking for esthetics.
Mr. Coyle: The first thing you see is a recharge basin.
MrJ Young: It is also the low point in North Bayview Road.
Mr. Raynor: O.K.
stage.
It is Oust an alternative to look at at this
Mr. Wickham: Are we all set?
Mr. Young: I guess I have to go see Mr. Dean. I was just trying
to get procedure down. Does he send you a letter?
Planning Board -5- January 9, 1979
Mr. Wickham: He has to send a letter before we can approve the
final. I want to declare the hearing closed.
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was
RESOLVED to set a public hearing on the question of the
approval of the minor subdivision of property owned by Felix and
Peter Deerkoski located at Mattituck for 7:30 p.m., Tuesday,
January 30, 1979.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
On motion made by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Wall, it was
RESOLVED that pursuant to the request of William H. Price,
Jr., Attorney for Peter Blank, the Southold Town Planning Board
grant an extension of time in which to present final maps for
the subdivision to be known as "Bayview Farms" for ninety days.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED to approve the final map of the subdivision to be
known as "Peconic Bay Cove" owned by Zaino & Sardelli subject to
the following:
1. Report of the Superintendent of Highways.
2. Conditions of the Suffolk County Planning Commission.
3. Acceptance of the bond for improvements by the Town Board
and inspection fee presented to Town Clerk.
Any other requirements uuder Section A106-43 of the Code
of the Town of Southold.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
8:30 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the
preliminary map of the subdivision to be known as "Sebastian's
Cove" located at Mattituck and owned by Mr. and Mrs. George
Toumanoff. Mr. Wickham left the room for a conference with Mr.
Howard Young and turned the chair over to Henry E. Raynor, Jr.
Mr. Toumanoff appeared at the hearing. Mr. Raynor read the legal
notice of hearing and presented proof of publication in the Long
Island Traveler-Watchman. Mr. Raynor went over the check list
and reviewed the file.
Plaz~uing Board -6- January 9, 1979
Mr. Raynor: There is a letter to the Suffolk County Planning
Department and a memorandum from Lawrence M. Tuthill.
Following is the memorandum from L. M. Tuthill to Supt. of Highways
Recommendations
1. That a field survey be made to correct the obvious errors
in the contours and profiles due to the inaccuracies of aerial
photogrametric surveys in heavily wooded areas.
Comments
1. That there be a road to the east between lots numbers 6 and 7.
Mr. Raynor: There is correspondence in the file from the
applicant along with the application. Is there anyone present
this evening that would like to speak in opposition to the
preliminary map of Section I~ Sebastian's Cove. Hearing none,
is there anyone present that would like to speak in favor of the
preliminary map of Sebastian's Cove, Section 1.
Mr. Toumanoff: I am in favor. I want to ask about that
recommendation for a road to the east. Is that contemplating
there will be a subdivision of Krupski's land?
Mr. Raynor: We talked about it before.
Mr. Toumanoff: I remember we talked about any chance of the
road continuing and the decision was it would not. I don't
recall a discussion of a road to the east.
Mr. Raynor: The two recommendations, the engineer, one, the
road profiles.
Mr. Toumanoff: I can understand that.
Mr. Raynor: We walked this. He called up rather disturbed
because the road profiles differ significantly from what has been
put in.
Mr. Toumanoff: The survey was made by VanTuyl from photogrametric
surveys. We are clearing some trees out there so you can see what
you are doing. Apparently there was some movement of earth and
in the course of building the barn. It just doesn't look like
natural contours but something that was done that didn't show up
in aerial photographs.
Mr. Wickham returned to the meeting at this point.
Mr. Raynor: Generally we feel that the submission on the part
of the engineer for our board is reasonably valid. It is obvious
you can see the reasoning for the proposed connection that he
discusses. I don't know if there is any objection as far as you
are concerned.
Planning Board -7- January 9, 1979
Mr. Toumanoff: I guess it was my hope it would be isolated as a
private road. It was not my intention to have the Town take it
over and make it a public road. I hoped it would be treated and
considered as a private road so consequently there would be no
desire to make it a connection to someone else's so there is a
pressure to go public. I realize it is different than in
Huntington where cul de sacs or dead end roads are encouraged as
a means of making sure the traffic is kept to a minimum and the
village refuses to accept them as a public responsibility. It
has resulted in substantial preservation of the rural appearance
of the land. I don't know if there is some way of reaching a
covenant that this road will remain private. It is written into
the covenants that we propose for the subdivision so if you feel
that your policy absolutely requires it I would ask that it be on
a sort of dotted r.o.w. The record would show that you had this
in mind should a development ever come about to the east, the then
Planning Board would have to say it is no surprise to you. I
would hope that we woulnd't need to show it now as a right-of-way
and invite that kind of development.
Mr. Raynor:
it private.
might do.
As long as you own it and have a thought of keeping
I am not sure what the third owner down the line
Mr. Toumanoff: That is why it is written into the covenants I
would be perfectly happy to have, a covenant to go with the land,
absolutely undertake not to make the road public. One thought
I had and I don't know if I mentioned it or not. One way you can
assure this is to have a 40 foot right-of-way so if anybody ever
tried the answer would be you haven't got enough right-of-way.
This would in no way affect the paving but would be a legal barrier
to anyone.
Mr. Wickham: There is a real problem with that one because the
regulations say all major subdivisions must meet the requirements.
Mr. Raynor: Fifty years from now the association says we want
the roads taken over.
Mr. Toumanoff: The way to avoid that is to covenant to say no.
Mr. Wickham: From a practical matter, I think there is another
fairly good reason. If you have walked over it you will say it is
quite steep. It is much better business to run the road out on
the shelf.
Mr. Coyle: Apparently, our engineer has checked it out and thinks
there should be a highway.
Mr. Toumanoff: What's the reason?
Mr. Raynor: Cross-circulation. You have also come to us and
proposed M use.
Mr. Toumanoff: That is the U-turn.
Planning Board -8- January 9, 1979
Mr. Wickham: There is probably no reason that you probably
couldn't put one of these things in and say possible dedication
to the Town.
Mr. Toumanoff: Not a r.o.w, now but a dotted r.o.w.? I would
lik~,to~ have a ghost indication rather than a r.o.w, that just
invites connection.
Mr. Gordon: How would it affect the setbacks?
Mr. Toumanoff: You wouldn't have a setback problem.
Wickham: Hargrave is willing to put in a dotted reservation
Mr. Coyle: If the engineer and the road department decides it
should be, and we usually go along with what they say.
Mr. Gordon: I recall discussing that.
Mr. Raynor: This is impractical because of the drop.
Mr. Toumanoff: That is a very steep ravine.
Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else that has anything that should
be brought before the board with regard to the matter of Sebastian's
Cove, Section 17 Jim? Fred? Spark? (there was no response)
I will declare the hearing closed.
Mr. Raynor added that the Board will request a covenant of no
further subdivision of the two oversized lots.
Mr. Wickham left again to talk to Mr. Toumanoff.
On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was
RESOLVED to recommend to the Town Board the bond estimate
as prepared by John W. Davis in the amount of $18,100 for the
pavement repairs in the subdivision known as "Orient-by-the-Sea,
Section II.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED to approve the site plan for Sarah Rauch dated
October 19, 1978.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
or have Beebe do it.
Planning Board -9- January 9, 1979
Mr. Raynor made the following report concerning a meeting held
January 4, 1979 at the request of the Building Inspector George
Fisher. Present were George Fisher; Robert Gillispie, Jr.,
Chairman of the Board of Appeals; Henry E. Raynor, Jr., Vice-
Chairman o£ the Planning Board; Robert Tasker, Town Attorney;
Albert M. Martocchia, Supervisor; Henry Drum, Councilman; Martin
Surer, Justice.
There was discussion on possible changes in the ordinance and
subdivision rules and regulations. Some of the specific
recommendations are in the works and have not yet been put in
legal form and are amendments to the subdivision regulations
requiring a 100 foot setback on Long Island Sound, 50 foot setback
on the bay to be put in the subdivision rules and regulations.
There will be a change in the cluster provision to make the minimum
lot width 100 feet. Put all elements of site on the final map of
a subdivision and this is subject to review of the board. There
was discussion with regard to the procedure for release of bonds
and it was determined that this should be incorporated into the
subdivision regulations. This would stop any opportunities of
bonds being released prior to the final submission of the Planning
Board engineer. It was also considered that there be a change in
the code for site plan approval by the Planning Board on everything
but one section in B-1 which reverts back to the use of farmland.
Mr. Wickham returned.
9:00 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval o£ the
preliminary map of the subdivision to be known as "Oysterponds
Village" located at Orient owned by Mr. and Mrs. William Schriever.
Mr. and Mrs. Schriever and Charles Cuddy, Esq., appeared. Mr.
William Terry was present at the hearing.
Mr. Raynor read the legal notice of hearing and presented proof
of publication in the Suffolk Times. Mr. Wickham went over the
checklist.
Mr. Wickham: I have here some comments from the engineer which
we will withhold for the present. I would like to state that
this subdivision started some time ago and was changed to be a
cluster subdivision and has been approved by the County Cluster
Review Committee. The sketch plan approval was dated July 21st.
There is a June 26th letter from the Town Board.
Gentlemen:
At a regular meeting of the Southold Town Board held on
June 20, 1978 a resolution was adopted authorizing the Supervisor
to enter into an agreement with William Schriever, Orient, New
York, for the exchange of property for a drainage sump on the
east side of Tabor Road, Orient.
/s/ Judith T. Terry, Town Clerk
Planning Board -10- January 9, 1979
Mr. Wickham: At an April llth meeting a resolution was adopted
approving a cluster concept on the east side of Tabor Road. It
occurs to me and I didn't notice it before but the letter from
the Town Board approves of the cluster on the east side only.
Mr. Schriever: It was the consensus that the other side was
approved.
Secretary: I have the letter in the other file.
Mr. Wickham: At this time I will open the hearing and ask for
any of those that wish to be heard in opposition to this cluster
subdivision in Orient. Hearing none, I will ask for anyone that
wishes to be heard in favor of it.
Mr. Cuddy: Mr. Schriever has been here since 1974. I think
there have been some new members since that time. We are happy
to be here tonight and hope this will be completed before you
retire (to Mr. Wickham). We would ask that based upon the past
history and the board's familiarity with the subdivision that
the board approve the preliminary plan as before the board.
Mr. Wickham: I think before going too much further I would
like to read you our engineer's report. This is a memorandum
to the Superintendent of Highways who before we get through must
approve the layout of the roads at least.
Recommendations
1. That the paved road be 36' wide as per town specifications.
2. That the road construction be in accordance with the town
specifications.
That the present recharge basin on Tabor Road be enlarged
by omitting the 15' private road south of Lot No. l0 and
shifting Lot No. l0 south. That the underground leaching
pools under the road be eliminated and the runoff from the
road be piped to the recharge basin.
It is noted that in the runoff calculations that the runoff
from the adjacent lots had not been included.
Comments
That the reserved area for future right of way east of Tabor
Road be relocated as to meet the requirements of road inter-
sections not being opposite each other.
Re
That there are three small parcels owned by Schriever
adjoining the subdivision: 1/adjoining the Constant property,
2~adjoining the Perra property and 3/adjoining the Carlsson
property.
Planning Board -11- January 9, 1979
Mr. Wickham: I disagree with the roads not being across from each
other. I think he is off on comment #2 also because the Planning
Board suggested that with the approval of the Town that you do not
include these small parcels. We requested it and the Town went
along with it. For my thinking, it would be important to have
this right-of-way adjacent to the Orient Cemetery. This is part
of our thinking all the time that if there is to be a road at
some time in the future it should be adjacent to the cemetery
and I would like to see the legend a little bit different and say
reserved for future right-of-way and/or dedication to the Town.
I have no objection to this as long as you add the other.
Mr. Schriever: In my letter I offered to dedicate it and I
haven't received any response as to whether they want it.
Mr. Wickham: They won't answer for quite a while. Mr. Terry,
are you on the board of the big cemetery?
Mr. Terry: No, the little cemetery.
Mr. Schriever: The cemetery uses my property to get access to the
back of the cemetery. If you don't put a road in they won't be
able to get to their own stockpile.
Mr. Wickham: Mr. Terry, do you have any comments as an adjacent
property owner.
Mr. Terry: No.
Mr. Wickham: Anyone on the board have any?
Mr. Coyle: Mr. Cuddy talked about having quite a history of this
and I happened to be here when the history started. What has
happened with the Village Lane exit and entrance?
Mr. Cuddy: I would think that when it was discussed there were
some people against it. I think that probably people have come
more or less to understand the reasons for it going through.
Certainly this is an advertised hearing and people are aware it
is going through.
Mr. Terry: I don't agree with the attorney on that.
Mr. Wickham: The last time there was a business zone involved
as well and this has all been done away with.
Mr. Schriever: The only business zone is at the end of that
road on Village Lane so to cut that road off would deny the people
in the subdivision access to their own community. There was a
lot of opposition to the turnaround. That made more people mad
than the road going through there. People that live there do not
want the turnaround because it creates a place for people to
congregate.
Mr. Wickham: I don't want to continue this hearing any longer
than necessary. We have had some problems. It seems to me that
Planning Board -12- Jauuary 9, 1979
we don't want to overlook the fact that there may be some more
problems but this is the map that you are submitting and we have
certainly discussed it and gone to the cluster concept which
gives more open space. It has been approved by the county for
cluster and the Town Board and in view of the fact that we have
been working with this for four years I will declare the hearing
closed.
Mr. Wickham said he would get in touch with the Highway Super-
intendent. Mr. Schriever said the reason he proposed the lesser
width was because people said the road was far to wide to go with
the other road. Mr. Cuddy said he had contacted Mr. Tasker but
he hadn't gotten a response from him. Mr. Schriever thinks it
would look better than to have a 36 foot road. Mr. Raynor asked
Mr. Cuddy if his client knew what a cluster subdivision was
because he was hearing scuttlebut that there wo~ld be lots about
90 by 100 feet. Mr. Cuddy said he would discuss it with his
client.
Haven Emerson property. Mr. Paul Byard, attorney, appeared on
behalf of the land owners. A letter was read from Mr. Wortis
which introduced Mr. Byard to the board. They basically want
low density with roads not built to town standards. There would
be a great deal of open space. The alternative, according to
Mr. Byard, would be a number of minor subdivisions. Mr. Wickham
wants to get in touch with the town attorney for his ideas on
the best way to proceed and if it appears worthwhile an appoint-
ment will be set up.
Scott-Ben Corporation. William B. Smith appeared for the
applicant for site plan approval. Letter from Mr. Fisher, the
b~ilding inspector, was read along with the action of the Board of
Appeals in granting the variance on side and front yards, with
a provision to try to save the two trees. All agreed that the
trees have to stay. Mr. Wickham wants to take a look at the trees.
Southold Gardens (Babcock & Rimmler). Mr. Wickham presented a
letter with two pictures from Mr. Bensen which he directed be
sent to the Supt. of Highways.
On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Wall, it was
RESOLVED to approve the site plan of the cluster-concept
subdivision to be known as "Southold Gardens" owned by Babcock
& Rimmler.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
Planning Board -13- January 9, 1979
Regarding Southold Gardens, the Home Owners' Association must be
approved by the Town Attorney and the Town Board as per lO0-131
of the Code of the Town of Southold. The attorney, Gary Olsen,
will be so notified.
On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED to recommend to the Southold Town Board the bond
amount of $285,000 for the subdivision to be known as "Long Pond
Estates~ Section I" for improvements as listed by Lawrence M.
Tuthill, Town Engineer, and any other improvements in compliance
with Article III,Design Standards for Highways in the Rules and
Regulations for the Subdivision of Land in the Code of the Town of
Southold.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Gordon, Coyle, Wall
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was
RESOLVED to recommend to the Southold Town Board the bond
amount of $115,000 for the subdivision to be known as "Horton
Farm Estates" for improvements as listed by Lawrence M. T-~ll,
Town Engineer, and any other improvements in compliance with
Article III, Design Standards for Highways in the Rules and
Regulations for the Subdivision of Lane in the Code of the Town
of Southold.
Vote Of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Gordon, Coyle, Wall
On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Wall, it was
RESOLVED to approve the final map of the subdivision to be
known as "Horton Farm Estates" and the chairman be authorized to
sign the map upon receipt of bond by the Town Board and inspection
fee by the Town Clerk.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Wall, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board override ·
condition #1 of the Suffolk County Planning Commission for the
map of the minor subdivision of Margery Burns. The condition of
the Suffolk County Planning Commission states that "No sanitary
disposal facility shall be constructed within 100 feet of the
mean high water line". The override is based on the following
finding of the County of Suffolk Department of Health Services.
Planning Board -14- January 9, 1979
"Based on the information submitted that the applications be
approved provided (a) that the two wells be located approximately
10 feet from the common lot line and two feet from the lot lines
fronting on Cedar Beach Road; (b) that the sewage system locations
be designated by the General Engineering Unit, maintaining at
least 75 feet from surface waters. The override is also based on
the request of the Southold Town Planuing Board that the number
of lots be reduced from five to two.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
Mr. Raynor made a motion, seconded by Mr. Coyle and carried
to approve the minutes of the meeting of December 18, 1978.
Mr. Henry Raynor, Vice-Chairman, reported on discussions he
had with the Town Attorney, Robert Tasker, and the Chairman of the
Board of Appeals, Robert Gillispie, Jr. regarding the Southold
Commons apartment complex. At the last meeting the applicant
in--~med the Board that he was continuing the old appeal decision
of Ahlers and Hellman. On reviewing the site plan there are some
substantial differences with regard to the two plans. One is
that there are certain amenities left out of the new site plan
that were granted as part of the decision including tennis courts,
shuffle board and a pool and playground. On the appeal decision
they have given an appeal to erect 13 buildings of not over 12
apartments each. The site plan submitted to this board is 16
buildings. It seems to be the considered opinion that this may
no longer be an extension of the application to the Board of
Appeals. This should be reheard by the Board of Appeals. The
matter was discussed separately with the Town Attorney and the
Chairman of the Board of Appeals and also at the group meeting
January 4th.
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED to approve the site plan of the Southold Savings
Bank with revisions on plantings and ingress and egress as shown
on pages i and lA.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED to approve the map of the minor subdivision of
Lawrence Stojan and Martha Stojan, said map dated October ll,
1978, and authorize the chairman to sign the map subject to the
following conditions of the Suffolk County Planning Commission:
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Adequate drainage structures shall be required on each
lot to contain any stormwater runoff resulting from the
development and improvements of each lot so that it will
not flow into the Main Road.
All driveways shall have a turnaround provision so that
vehicles leaving each lot will not have to back out into
the traffic stream.
No more than one driveway access shall be created on
Main Road for each lot and where feasible a common drive-
way shall be used for each two lots.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
Inlet East Estates. The Board reviewed the recommendations of
Mr. John Davis, Inspector of Roads, regarding the fencing of the
spillway in this subdivision. Although the bond estimate shows
less fencing than Mr. Davis has requested and the developer is not
required to do more than shown there, the Town will not necessarily
accept the roads and the Board suggests he follow Mr. Davis'
recommendations.
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Wickham, it was
RESOLVED to forward to the Suffolk County Planning Commission
the final maps of the subdivision to be known as "Paradise-by-the
Sound".
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Ray-nor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
Mr. Wickham requested Mr. Raynor to send a written presentation
to the Southold Town Board on the new "Environmental Quality
Review" law which the Town is proposing.
An invitation has been received by the Planuing Board to attend
the next meeting of the Southold Town Fire Chiefs' Council. The
Board can attend on February 26th and Mr. Lademann will be
notified. The members to attend are Henry E. Raynor, Jr. and
Frederick E. Gordon.
A recommendation was received from Lawrence M. Tuthill, Town
Engineer, recommending that the number of lots in a subdivision
to require a fire hydrant or well should be reduced from 30 to
20. The Board will make this recommendation.
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Received recommendations on "Peconic Bay Cove" from Lawrence M.
Tuthill, Planning Board Engineer. Send copy to Mr. Dean, Supt.
of Highways, and request his action.
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED to approve the site plan of Rave and Tloczkowski
dated September 1978 and revised January 1979, taking note of the
fact that the petitioners have agreed that they will meet the
requirements of the town as far as drainage is concerned.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
On motion made by Mr. Wall, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was
RESOLVED to approve the map of the minor subdivision of
property to be conveyed to Rev. William Hilliard at Fishers
Island, subject to the recommendations of the Suffolk County
Planning Commission.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall
Mr. Wickham said for the record that he did not get involved in
the public hearing on the map of "Sebastian's Cove, Section I"
because he has signed a contract with Mr. Toumanoff to do the
rough grading on the highways. He will not be on the Planning
Board when it comes through.
There being no further business to come before the Board, Mr.
Coyle made a m~tion, seconded by Mr. Gordon and carried to adjourn
the meeting. Meeting adjourned at 11:45 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Muri~l Brush~ Secretary