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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-02/13/1979P D JOHN ~CKHAM, Chairman FRANK S. COYLE HENRY E. RAYNOR, Jr. FREDERICK E. GORDON JAMES WALL Southold, N.Y, 11971 TELEPHONE 765- 1938 A regular meeting of the Southold To~n Planning Board was held at 7:30 p.m., Tuesday, February 13, 1979 at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Present were: John Wickham, Chairman Henry E. Raynor, Jr., Vice-Chairman Frank S. Coyle Frederick E. Gordon Absent was: James Wall Also present were: Arthur and Millicent Gossner, League of Women Voters Franklin Bear, North Fork Environmental Council Douglas Love, L. I. Traveler-Watchman Jack Ryan, Suffolk Times James Bits.es. Olde Towne Park minor subdivision in the name of Catherine Bitses. Mr. Raynor asked if the title had been trans- ferred and Mr. Bitses answered in the affirmative and presented deeds that the Board examined. Mr. RaTnor asked if he proposes to develop the remainder of the property and Mr. Bitses answered yes. For the foreseeable future he intends to operate a nursery there. Mr. Coyle asked if the property is zoned business and the answer is it is not. He may use lot #1 for display purposes. Mr. Bitses is willing to sign a covenant that the rest would be developed as a major subdivision if it is ever developed. There are ll or 12 more acres on the water side. Mr. Gordon expressed his concern regarding four additional driveways going onto Main Bayview Road and Mr. Bitses agreed. The Board will make an inspection of the property. Planning Board -2- February 13, 1979 Philip Ofrias minor subdivision. Mr. Ofrias appeared. He proposes to divide his homestead property into two lots to make it more marketable. He is willing to covenant that there will be no future submissions for further subdivision of the property. On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED to approve the sketch map of the minor subdivision of Phil.aP J. Ofrias~ Jr.~ and Sharon Ofrias subject to receipt of covenants and restrict'ions with regard to no further subdivision of the property and lot numbers be placed on the map. There should be a notation on the map as to no further subdivision. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Scott-Ben Corporation. William B. Smith and John DeAlbertis appeared. Mr. DeAlbertis is a member of the corporation. Mr. Wickham reported that he believed the two trees on the property were Norway maples which are fast growing trees. The biggest one has a large limb in the center of the tree which is dead. This is rather typical and a sure sign that the tree will not last more than five to ten years more. In his opinion, that being the case, they are not worth saving if indeed the developers will plant substantial trees on the premises in the front yard as has been suggested. Mr. DeAlbertis has agreed to plant two trees in the front yard of approximately six inches diameter to offset the trees he expects to remove. Mr. Raynor asked if it was bordered on each side by the business zone and the answer was affirmative. Mr. Wickham requested that the two trees be shown on the site plan in their approximate location. There should be some low shrubbery along the line and this should be delineated, exactly what is there. Mr. Wickham wants the trees approximately fifteen feet from the sidewalk with room enough to grow and develop. Show shrubbery along the west side. If they feel there should be more, they should put it in. On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the site plan of Scott-Ben Corporation be approved including the removal of the two trees, and said site plan be amended to show the line of shrubbery on the westerly line and the approximate location of the proposed new trees to be placed in the front. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Gordon Nay: Coyle Mr. Coyle's objection was based on the removal of the trees and doorways not being clear on the plans. Planning Board -3- February 13, 1979 Kirk site plan. Steve Tsontakis appeared on behalf of Mr. Kirk. Mr. Wickham turned the chair over to Mr. Raynor stating that he would have a conflict of interest because he is an adjacent property owner. Mr. Gordon and Mr. Coyle had done an inspection on the property and met with the building inspector, George Fisher, about it. Mr. Coyle mentioned that there is an existing building that Mr. Kirk had indicated was going to be torn down. Mr. Coyle still feels it will be tight getting out the relocated one-way driveway. Ail agreed there should be some kind of fencing along the east wall because of the buffering between business-zoned and residential property (easterly 157 feet). Mr. Wickham stated that Mr. Kirk should not change things too much or the Planning Board would go back to the Town Board to say everything Mr. Kirk said is changing. Mr. Wickham said Mr. Kirk agreed to put buffering along it. Mr. Tsontakis feels the line of sight will be improved because the extension is not going to front along with the residential. Mr. Gordon felt that the Planning Board should know what Mr. Kirk intends to do with the existing houses. Mr. Wick_ham said the plan would have to go back to the building inspector for recomputation of the parking lot. Mr. Gordon said they had spoken with the building inspector and there is no problem because the parking is over. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board wants something about the building and what he (Mr. Kirk) has made up his mind to do. He wants this in writing that he intends to keep the building. Mr. Wickham directed that a letter be sent to Mr. Kirk's attorney, Mr. Lark, because he is also Mr. Wickham's attorney. Mr. Wickham said the east line is going to be buffered with a planting schedule a width of ten feet and driveways, ingress and egress, labelled. Mr. Tsontakis inquired as to what type~of planting and fence and Mr. Wickham answered that the attorney was rather insistent that there be a fence backed by substantial buffering. Oysterponds Village. A1 Mould, Gertrude Mayer, William Rich attended. The Board reviewed the recommendations of the Suffolk County Department of Planning. Mr. Wickham said the Board recog- nizes the possible traffic hazard that would result from the road going into Village Lane and said the Board is considering, subject to waivers of the Superintendent of Highways, to create a walkway onto Village Lane so the proposed subdivision will not have egress and ingress over 10 feet. It will be at least 50 feet short of Village Lane. Mr. Schriever is about to embark on having a certified engineer recompute many of the drainage vehicles and provide the Board with approved engineering with respect to road grades and widths. The Town specifications will be followed. There is some question about drainage being put in a private right-of-way which has to be resolved by the Supt. of Highways. Mr. Wickham said the Board has considered the proposed provision for a foot road some time perhaps in the distant future rvu~ning eastward along the Orient Central Cemetery and it has generally been the practice of the Planning Board to supply some sort of a space between a cemetery and a residential or business district and it was the thought of the Planning Board that it wouldn't do any harm to provide additional access to the Orient Cemetery. Mr. Mould asked what guarantee there was that the road would not go Planning Board -4- February 13, 1979 through at a future time and what guarantee there is that the proposed pathway would not be changed. Mr. Raynor explained that the final map could not be changed without an abandonment of the filed map and a refiling which would make it hardly likely that the map would be changed to eliminate the walkway. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board would require that a walkway be provided. In answer to how it would be maintained, the answer was a Home Owners Association. On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED to grant approval to the preliminary map of the subdivision to be known as "Oysterponds Village" located at Orient and owned by William and Barbara Schriever, said map dated November 27, 1978 subject to the following: 1. A 10 foot wide walkway be provided measured from Village Lane easterly for a distance of at least 73 feet in length with a barrier provided for protection against vehicle access to Village Lane. 2. The creation of a cul-de-sac on the westerly end of the proposed road be waived with the agreement of the proper agencies. 3. Drainage be computed by a licensed engineer. Road dimensions adhere to Town Highway specifications. 5. A short radius curve should be provided at the southeast corner of Lot 8, the northeast corner of Lot 9, and the southwest corner of Lot 6. Use of a short radius curve will help to prevent encroachment onto the corner property and facilitate turning move- ments. 6. No driveway should be located within 50 feet of right- of-way of Main Road. 7. No vehicular access should be permitted from Lot 1 to the Main Road. Note should be placed on final map that vehicular access to Lot i is restricted to Tabor Road. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon The Planning Board agreed with Recommendation 1 of the Suffolk County Dept. of Planning that a short radius curve should be provided at the southeast corner of Lot 8, the northeast corner of Lot 9, and the southwest corner of Lot 6. The Planning Board disagrees with the County in regard to #2 in that they feel the road alongside Orient Central Cemetery should be reserved for. Planning Board -5- February 13, 1979 #3 of the Cotuuty recommendations regarding the road between Village Lane and Tabor Road is not necessary because the road will not connect. #4 is in regard to the road and does not apply. #5 regarding the road grades will be taken care of when new engineering is presented. #6 regarding the small parcels has been taken care of by Board of Appeals action. #7 regarding storm water will be taken care of by engineering. On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to set a public hearing on the question of the approval of the minor subdivision of Philip Ofrias~ Jr., and Sharon Ofrias for 7:30 p.m., Monday, March 5, 1979 at the Town Ball, Main Road, Southold, New York, subject to receipt of the description of the property in time for publication. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED to approve the preliminary map of the subdivision to be~known as "Bayview Woods Corporation" subject to the follow- ing modifications: 1. Two firewells be provided in the subdivision, location of same to be determined by the Southold Fire Commissioners. 2. Screen planting buffering be provided for fifteen additional feet on the south and east sides with buffering on both sides facing the roads. 3. Integral curb be used on Road "C" from Station 2-00 to the end of the cul de sac. 4. Road "C" change to 4.5 and raise Catch Basin #6 to preclude washout from the leaching pools. 5. Entrance to recharge basin be moved to the southwest corner. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Gordon, Coyle Planning Board -6- February 13, 1979 On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED to approve the amended preliminary subdivision map of "Heritage Harbor" dated February 9, 1979, which includes the relocation of the combination catch basin-leaching pools into the highway area. These basins are to have curb inlet type castings, reinforced concrete slabs and 3 4 foot high by 8 foot diameter storm drain rings. The plan also shows l0 feet of integral curb and gutter to be installed each side of the curb inlets. The locations will be staked and locations approved by Superintendent of Highways Dean. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Sebastian's Cove. Mr. Wickham again requested Mr. Raynor to chair the meeting for this particular subdivision. Mr. Raynor read the following letter from the Suffolk County Dept. of Planning. Dear Mr. Wickham: In accordance with your request the staff has examined the proposed subdivision layout for a 14.699 acre tract reputedly owned by George and Jane Toumanoff and offer the following comments on the map for your use. Relative to Mattituck Creek and adjoining wetlands the Commission will probably require that: 1. Adequate drainage structures be provided on site to contain all stormwater runoff resulting from the development and improvement of the subdivision and any of its lots. The capacity of the proposed catch basins with leaching pools was not indicated in the preliminary material. This information should be provided with final referral. 2. Erosion and sediment control requirements be imposed due to the nature of the terrain and proposed clearing and grading. These controls will be necessary to insure that the runoff will not carry soil and other deleterious material onto the meadows or into the creek. 3. Sanitary facilities be located at a minimum distance of 100 feet from the edge of the meadows and edge of water. From both the Town and County points of view it would appear prudent to require, at this time, a development plan for Sections Two and Three. This will insure proper coordination between sections and will also help the subdividers to avoid self-imposed hardships by locking themselves into an unreasonable layout due to lack of advance planning. From the point of view of townwide consideration a few of the elements of the layout of this subdivision bear reconsideration to insure a viable residential area. Most important is the Planning Board -7- February 13, 1979 location of the proposed intersection on Mill Road. Measures must be taken to insure that there is adequate sight distance for vehicles leaving the subdivision. The location of the proposed road at a sharp bend in the existing road coupled with the steep wooded slopes along the side of the existing road may obstruct or minimize sight distance. To improve the alignment of Mill Road it is suggested that horizontal curves be utilized to eliminate the kinks (bends) in the current alignment. Current planning practice dictates that a horizontal curve with a minimum center-line radius of 250 feet be used when the change in road direction exceeds 5° to avoid the appearance of a kink. Use of horizontal curves tend to improve the visual qualities of the subdivision by providing different and changing vistas. It would appear that the length of the proposed street is excessive. The maximum length for a dead-end street is considered to be 800 feet where the zoning calls for minimum lot size of one acre. Consideration, therefore, should be given to providing a tap street to the property to the east. When the adjoining property is developed the tap street will provide an mlternate access to the subdivision for emergency equipment and the residents. Staff comments on a preliminary map do not constitute a review of the map by the Suffolk County Planning Commission. When the map has been finalized it should be referred to the Commission for review pursuant to Section 1333 of the Suffolk County Charter. /s/ Charles G. Lind, Chief Planner Subdivision Review Section Mr. Raynor stated that the Board has not received the new profiles requested so can't answer all the points raised by the County. As far as drainage structures, erosion and sediment controls, the applicant should be sent a copy of the County letter and should be asked to send as soon as possible the engineering work. Mr. Dean, at a meeting held February 2, 1979, expressed concern about the park and playground area. There was discussion that if it became public it would be the only town access on Mattituck Creek that would have a launching facility. However, this subdivision is nob designed to carry that type of load. Mr. Dean never gave a final answer on it. Mr. Raynor feels Mr. Toumanoff should come out and discuss Sections 2 and 3 with the Board. Mr. Wickham said Mr. Toumanoff is coming out this Saturday and he thinks it may work for sand swale type of drainage. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board should send it to the Soil and Water Conservation District of the Dept. of Agriculture in Riverhead and request that they make a study. Mr. Toumanoff had mentioned at an earlier meeting that he was interested in possible changes of zone for multiple use and business. Planning Board -8- February 13, 1979 North Fork Equ~tie~s. (formerly Dawn Estates) This subdivision was reviewed by the Board. It will be required that the subdivider build roads, provide drainage, supply park and playground and provide a street for cross-circulation going east and west. The alternative is a four-lot minor subdivision which will still require a road going east and west. Peter Sledjeski minor subdivision. This map was approved subject t6 Suffolk County Planning Commission conditions in 1975. The County recommended a 50 foot right-of-way and the Board will inspect the property to determine if it is necessary. Thornton Smith. The Planning Board discussed the subdivision of Mr. Smith's property which he intends to develop in the cluster concept. There should be a re-orientation of the lots which do not have to be 200 feet in depth. There should be only one entrance off Sound Avenue and no driveways coming out onto Sound Avenue. The open space shown in the maps presented is not mean- ingful. One entrance on Bergen Avenue. Put open space to the north. Mr. Smith is to be asked if he has considered placing his farm in the Phase 2 program of the Suffolk County Farm Preservation Program. Mr. Raynor made a motion, seconded by Mr. Coyle and carried to approve the minutes of the meeting of January 30, 1979. There being no further business to come before the Board, Mr. Coyle made a motion, seconded by Mr. Gordon and carried to adjourn the meeting. Meeting adjourned at 9:50 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Murie~l Brush, iSecretary