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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-03/27/1979 P D T( iD JOHN WICKHAM, Chairman FRANK 8. COYLE HENRY E. RAYNOR, Jr. FREDERICK E. GORDON JAMES WALL Southold, N.Y. 11971 TELEPHONE 765- 1938 A regular meeting o£ the Southold Tow~ Pla~aning Board was held at 7:30 p.m., Tuesday, March 27, 1979 at the To~m Hall, Main Road,Southold, New York. l~esent were: Hem~y E. Raynor, Jr., ¥ice-Chairmam Frank S. Coyle, Member ~rederick E. Gordon, Member James Wall, Member ~ouglas Love, L. I. Traveler-Watchman Sharon Romano, Suffolk Times Millicemt Gossner, League of Women Voters 7:30 p.m. ?ublie Hearing on the questiom of the approval of the minor subdivisiom of property of Philip O£rias, Jr., and Sharon O£rias. Philip O£rias, Jr., Esq. appeared. Y~r. Raynor read the legal notice of hearing and presented proofs of publication from the Suffolk Times and the L. I. Traveler- Watchman. ~_r. Raynor: This is a minor subdivision of two lots. We have in the file check from the applicant along with the application for approval of plat signed and notarized. We have copies of the map, proof of publication in the L. I. Traveler-Watchman, schedule of covemants with regard to the real property described and correspondence from the board to the attormey. As this is a mimor subdivision of two lots and abuts an existing town road, there is no report from the Superintendent of Highways with regard to this subdivision. As is the policy with this board, we will ask if there is anyone present this evening that would like to speak in opposition to this subdivision of property of Philip 0£rias. Hearing nome, is there anyone present that would like to speak in favor of this subdivision. ~_r. Ofrias: Our purpose is it doesn't prove to be very saleable the way it is and by separating the house on 1-1/4 acre a~d the other 1-1/~ acre with the barn may be more marketable. We would rather sell it the way it is. Ou~own feeling is it would detract to divide it but it depends on the buyer. Planning Board -2- March 27, 1979 Mr. Raynor: The board also notes with the covenants there is a clause that the present applicant make no further application for subdivision of this property. Usually we have a standard form covenant and I think probably you may have included it all. Mr. Ofrias: I spoke with Bob Tasker before preparing it and he felt it would be appropriate. Mr. Raynor: Fine. In review of the map I see one kind of glaring feature and that is that the parcels are not numbered. Mr. Coyle: Mine has numbers. There was further discussion here and it was determined that Mr. Van Tuyl had sent one copy of th~amended map. This map was the one Mr. Coyle had with the numbers on it. Mr. O£rias: subdivision. before. You wanted them numbered and a note as to no further I have more copies. You must have one that was done Mr. Gordon: The ordinance calls for a 50 foot setback and 150 feet at the building line. You would lose a little bit here. Mr. Raynor: The building lot would have to be back in here. Mr. Gordon: I should have picked that up on preliminary. In other words~ the building line would be 50 feet back. Mr. Ofrias: You are right. If you go back at all it will be less than 150 feet. Mr. Raynor: The building inspector would probably insist the house be spotted in there. Mr. Gordon: He might give you a hard time. There was more discussion back and forth on this item. Mr. Raynor: The setback line is going to have to be shown. We are dealing with a two lot minor. This could be dotted in. Whatever action the board would take would be subject to the setback line being shown. We are just alerting you you might have a problem in the future as far as the building inspector is concerned. It is probably not critical. Is there any member of the board that has anything they would like to add with respect to this applicant. Mr. Coyle: It is a beautiful estate to be cut up. My map shows that there should be no further subdivision which should be part of the record. Mr. Raynor: We will have to have five more copies with the numbers on them. Mr. Ofrias: Anything he does now will have the numbers. ~lamaing Board -3- March 27~ 1979 Y~r. Ray, or: They will have to be filed with us. Does anyone else that is present have any i~formation that is pertinent to the application being heard. Hearin~ none, I will declare the hearing closed. Michael Morris Estate. Marge Malone and Terri Elak appeared. ~rs. Malone said she had talked with the building inspector about access and he had said something about 280A of the Town Law. She has been informed that Longboat Lane will be 804 completed by the end of the year. F~r. Ray, or suggeste~ they endeavor to get use over the existin~ road (Longboat ~ane] as the right,of-way is extremely long and would be costly to construct and maintain. There will also have to be a right-of-way across the bottom of the lots. It will be necessary to have a written agreement with the developer of Soundview Acres at Orient. 100 foot setback from the top of the bluff will have to be shown. The right-of- way on the bottom of the lots must be 25 feet wide. Mr. Raynor made the following report regarding his meeting on Friday, March 16, 1979 with the ~ecutive Committee of the Tire Chiefs Council and Fire Commissioners Council. The meeting was held at the Cutchogue Firehouse. In Article 106-33B it was suggested that the following sentence be remoYed "there shall be a minimum of one fire hydramt and/or £ire well for each 30 dwelling lots shown on the subdivision map." Remove the word "bronze screen" and insert "stainless steel screen" was recommended. The 350 gallon per minute pumping capacity figure should remain. It was also recommended that the 8 inch casing a~d 20 foot minimum length on screen be left in specs for fire well. It was requested that the Pla~ing Board supply a map to the respective £ire district commissioners and recommendations would be forth- coming within thirty days from said fire commissioners. It was agreed that the district commissioners would be able to meet within the thirty day response period so that a recommendation could be back to the Planning Board within this time frame. Final determination of fire hydrant and/or fire wells will naturally be a Pla~nin~ Board decision. The £ollowing letter was read from the Southold Town Fire District O££icers Association. March 20,1979 ~la~ning Board Town of Southold Town Hall Southold, New York Gentlemen: Planning Board -4- March 27, 1979 The Southold Town Fire District Officers Association would like to recommend the following changes and additions to the regulations for Subdivisions pertaining to requirements for firewells for your consideration. E~iminate the number of dwellings required for each firewell. The determination as to the need for fire protection should be at the discretion of the fire district involved. Location of firewells should be determined by the Officers of the ~ire District. A map of the proposed subdivision should be sent to the Commissioners of the Fire District. The Fire District will respond within 30 days as to the need of firewells. The well should be at least 8 inch minimum, 20 foot stainless steel screen minimum, mesh to be determined as to type of strata encountered: should produce 350 GPM. Final testing and approval by the Board of Commissioners with notifications of acceptance to the Planning Board. Thank you for consideration and cooperation. /s/ Her~ry ~. Moisa, Secretary Y~r. Raynor feels that this should be taken under consideration as well as some of the ideas that were worked on in January and sit down with the Tovrn Attorney soon and work out what should be put in the Code. The decision of where the fire hydrants and/or firewells should be has to come from the Planning Board but the Fire Commissioners have more experience and the Board should try to utilize their suggestions and recommendations. Y~r. Wall was asked how this would affect Fishers Island and he said they go overboard and had the equipment to take care of this and wouldn't be in need of fire hydrants or firewells. Charles Witherspoon minor subdivision. Stanley Corwin, Esq. appeared. Both lots are oversized so the board would require restrictive covenants so there would be no application for resubmission. Y~r. Corwin was asked if there would be any objection to a covenant that there be no further subdivision of the parcel directly to the west of number 1. ~r. Corwin said he didn't feel he could make that representation fo~he owner. Then he said he could give a covenant not to subdivide the adjacent piece. TheBoard will take the sketch map under consideration and give some determination with regard to it. Planning Board -5- March 27, 1979 Henr~minor subdivision. Stanley Corwin, Esq. appeared. ~ 9/17/7b plan presented by Mr. Walsh is no longer valid. Mr. Corwin is willing to go along with a two lot minor and a restriction that any further subdivision would be ~ajor subdi¥ision. The lots will have to be numbered and the Board will get back to Mr. Corwin. Sebastian's Covet Section I. The following letter was forwarded to the Board from Mr. Start Pauzer ofthe Soil and Water Conservation District in Riverhead. Dear Stan: We need the following information to develop specific drainage recommendations for the "Sebastian's Cove, Section One" Subdivision: 1. an accurate topographic map with 2-foot contours (1-foot contours would be more desirable). 2. soil profiles of the test holes. 3. design details of the catch basins planned for Sebastian's Cove Road. plans for development and stabilization of the playground area. Unless we can obtain this information, only general comments be developed. /s/ Marc Usher District Conservationist can A letter is to be written to Mr. Toumanoff enclosing these recommendations telling him that the Soil and Water Conservation District wants more information and nothing can be done until such information is forthcoming. The Planning Board will forward information to the District upon receipt of same. The Board will also not process this application any further until such time as Mr. Toumanoff lets the Board know what his plans are for Sections II and III. Lon~ Pond Estates? Section One. The Board has received a letter from the Dept.of Environmental Conservation as to designation of lead agency in this matter. On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Wall, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board inform the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation that it does not wish lead agency status forthe subdivision known as "Long Pond Estates, Section One". ThePlanning Board has alreadY_s had final hearings with regard to this application and the proce~ Pla~ing Board -6- March 27, 1979 involved with the town is in its final steps. There£ore~ it would be inconsistent for the Plan~ing Board to desire lead agency status. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Coyte, Gordon, Wall Fontana - George Friedman appeared. YLr. Friedman was advised that ]~-~tana should come in for a four lot minor subdivision with a 25 foot right-of-way. There should also be access to ~attituck Creek for the lot owners on the road. ~ir. Friedman will return. Mr. Coyle made a motion, seconded by Mr. Gordon andtoarried that the request of Peter Bhreh to have the right-of-way to his property named Kreh Road be granted. On motion made by ~'. Gordon, seconded by Mr~ Coyle, it was RESOLVED to over-ride the condition of/the Suffolk County Planning Commission as regards the subdivision of Peter Sledjeski in that a 50 foot right-of-way be provided for the following reason. ~e Stillo minor subdivision is an approved pre-existing minor subdivisio~ in the Town of Southold with a 30 foot right- of-way and it would make no sense to run a 50 foot right-of-way into a 30 foot right-of-way. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall On motion made by Itt. Coyte, seconded by ~dr. %,~al]., it was RESOLVED to grant approval to the sketch map o£ the minor subdivision of Peter SledOeski subject to a 15 foot right-of-way being shown on the westerly side of the property for Rose and securing of a curb cut from the State o£ New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Coyle, Gordon~ Wall On motion made by Mr. Wall, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to set 7:30, Monday, April 16, 1979 at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place for a public hearing on the question of the approval of the minor subdivision of property of Thomas and Jean Jones. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall Planning Board -7- ?~arch 27, 1979 ~. Raynor announced the the Natural Resource Class from ~attituck Cutchogue High School will be at the town hall on Thursday to find out something about subdivisions. Any board members that can be at the TownHall are welcome. Mr. Raynor announced a meetin~ at the Supt.of Highways office with regard to Greenbriar Acres roads. This meetin~ will be held Wednesday morning at 8:30 a.m. Southold Savings Bank has requested an inspection of its property with regard to the site plan which was approved by the ?tannin~ Board. ~. Gordon will make the inspection on Thursday and report back to the board. ~oebius maps were distributed to the Board. in conjunction with, the Board of Appeals as undersized. This subdivision is one of the lots is On motion made by ?~. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to approve the site plan of Lawrence Kirk. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall Motion was made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by ~.%r. Gordon and carried to accept and approve the report of John W. Davis regarding the minor subdivisions of Hale and Hushes. The Orient Hills report from the Soil and Water Conservation District was received and reviewed and will be forwarded to the developer. The Board has received an invitation from L. I. Planners to attend their meeting this week. The secretary will write a letter and state that we have an interest in this organization but will be unable to attend. Planning Board ~8- Idarch 27,1979 On motion made by I~. Coyle, secmnded by Ym. Wall, it was RESOLVED to recommend to the Southold Town Board release of the bond for the subdivision "Ore$on View Estates" as per recommendation of the Plannin~ Board Inspeotor, John W. Davis. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall Idr. Wall will check and see whose responsibility it is to fix Crescent Avenue on Fishers Island. He sees no problem with a two lot minor of the property that lit. Walsh proposes. On motion made by Ym. Gordon, seconded by YLr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED to approve the sketch map of the property of Charles Witherspoon for a two-lot minor subdivision subject to covenants for the property on the westerly side that it will not be further subdivided. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raymor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall On motion made by ~. Gordon, seconded by Pit. Coyle, it was RESOLVED to approve the map of the minor subdivision of Philip Ofrias, Jr. and Sharon Ofrias subject to numbering of the lots. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Coyle, Gordon, Wall Motion was made by ?~. Gordon, seconded by ~ir. Coyle and carried to approve the minutes of the regulsr meeting of February 13, 1979. Motion was made by Y~. Gordon, seconded by Fir. Coyle and carried to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of March 5, 1979. There bein~ no further business to come'before the Board, Ym. Coyle.made a motion, seconded by P~. Gordon and carried to adjourn th~meetin~. Meeting adjourned at 9:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted ~ Henry ~' Rayno~~, ~. ~/ ~J~a--~ C~ia irman --