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PLANNING BOARDMINUTES
The Southcld Town Planning Board held a regular meeting on Monday,
November 24, 198,6 at 7:30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road,
Southold, NY 11971.
Present were;
Member Richard G. Ward, action as chairman for this meeting
Member William F. Mullen, Jr.
Member G. Ritchie Latham, Jr.
Planner David Emilita
Executive Administrator Victor Lessard
Secretary Diane M Schultze
Absent:
Member Kenneth Edwards, due to inclement weather
Chairman Bennett Orlowski,Jr., due to a death in the family
7:30 p.m. Public hearing on the question of approval of the final maps
of the major subdivision of John and Olivia Fellinger - Ihar to be known
as "Woodbine Manor" located at Cutchogue for 17 lots on 20 acres.
Mr. Ward: We have a public hearing on the qeustio of approval of the
final maps for the major subdivision of John and Olivia Fellinger - Ihar
to be known as "Woodbine Manor" located at Cutchogue for 17 lots on 20
acres. This had a previous approval which has expired. At this point
we are really just here to re-affirm that. Is there anybody here with
any comments in favor, of this subdivision. Does the application wish
to be heard?
Mr. Fellinger-Ihar: We were in Europe and my lawyer Mr. Scheinberg applied.
We had run out of time becasue we had difficulties with the mortgage.
WE had to pay off the mortgage before we could (inaudible). We believed
that we had 180 days from the last approval to record. And, because
we had difficulties with the former owner who deceased and his wife had
difficulties. So, my lawyer, Mr. Scheinberg, after the mortgage was
released, went to the County Clerk to record but they said it was over
180 days. But, we had 180 dayes, so we had come back and the Planning
Board said no. But, becuase I was in Europe, I could not keep an eye
on these things.
Mr. Ward: Is there anyone present who would like to speak for or agains
the project. (none) Any comments from the Board'(none). I will declare
this he,ring closed.
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ON a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, December 8,
1986 at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold as the time and place
for the next regutm~ Planning Board meeting.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
Oh a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr~'~. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southol~ Town Planning Board set Monday, December
8, 1986 at 7:30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall~zas the time and pt&ce
for a public hearing on the question of aproval of the ma~or subdivision
for Daniel Marcucci located at Southold for 7 lots on 13.89 acres.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a~'~mo~ion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, December 8,
1986 at 7:45 p.m. at khe Southold Town Hall, as the time and place for
a public hearing on the question of aprpoval of the minor subdivision
for Howard Ho~y~for 3 lots on 38 acres located at Orient.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Sonthold Town Planning Board declare themselves lead
agency under the State Enviroinmental Quality Review Act for the minor
snbdivisio of RHR Realty Corp. located at Southold for 4 lots on 1325
acres. An in initial determination of non -significance has been m~de.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
The Board will also conduct a field inspection of this proposal prior
to any further action.
On a mot~0n made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board declare themselves lead
agency under the 8tate Enviroinmental Quality Review Ack for the lot
line chagne for Robert J. G~niesse located at Fish~rs Island. An initial
determination of non-significance has been made.
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The Board will conduct a field inspection of this proposal, prior to
any further review or action.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
Edward and Althean Sidor - The Board will conduct a field inspection
of this proposal for a lot line change at Mary's Road, Mattituck.
On a motio~made by Mr. Latham~seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that~hhe Southold Town,planning Board declare itself lead agency
under the State Envirionmental Quality Review Act for the major subdivision
to be known as Farm Veu Estates located at Laurel.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
The Board will conduct a field inspection prior to any further review
or action.
On a motl6n made by Mr. Mullen,<~seconded by Mr. Latham, the--following
action was taken:
NEGATIVE DECLARATION
Pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law,
State Environmental Quality Review Act and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10
and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Soutohld, notice is hereby
given that Southold %own Planning Board as lead agency for the action
described below has determined that the project will not have a signficiant
effect on the environment.
DESERIPTION OF ACTION
The minor subdivision of Mohring Enterprises, located at Mattituck,
is.~a~set off of 3.563 acres from 36.9 acres. SCTM # 1000-113-~-19.2.
The project has been determined not to have a signifianc~f~ect
on the environment for the following reasons:
An envirionmental assessment has been submitted which i~diciated
that no significant adverse effects to the environment were likely
to occur should the project be implemented as planned.
Because there has been no response from the Suffolk COu~t~ Dept.~ ~
6f Health. Services in the.~alotted time, it is assumed that t~re are
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no objections or comments from that agency. However, an application
under Aticle 6 will be required for approval of the water and
sewer.
Because there has been no response from the NYS Department of
Enviroinmental Conservation in the alotted time, it is assumed
that there aer no objections or comments from that agency.
The project witlmeet all the requirements of the Code of the
Town of Southold Subdivision of Land Regulations.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Sullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Sullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the set off of
Mohring Enterpriese to set off 3.563 acres in the B b~siness zone from
36.9 acres inthe A- Residential Zone located at Sound Avenue, and Cox
Neck Road, Mattituck, survey dated September 12, 1986; subject to:
1. Receipt of Article 6 approval pursuant to the Suffolk County
Department of Health Services.
2. Consideration of the recommendations of the Suffolk County
Planning Commission (if any).
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Sullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, ~he following
action was taken:
NEGATIVE DECLARTION
Pursuant to Article 8 of the Envirionmental Conservation Law,
State Environmental Quality Review Act and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10
and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is hereby
given that Southold Town Planning Board as lead agency for the action
described below has determined that the project will not have a significant
effect on the environment.
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION
The major subdivision of Minas and Va~tiki Milhaltses and Demetrios
and Katina Mihaltses to be known as "Sunrise Estates" at Mattituck is
for 7 lots o 15.8 acres in the cluster concept located at Bergen Avenue,
SCTM # L000-t12-2-2.
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The project has been determined not to have a significant effect on the
envirionment for the following reasons:
An environmentat~assessment has been submitted which indicated
that~no significant adverse effects to the environment were likely
to occur should the porject be implemented as planned.
The Suffolk County Department of Health Services has no objection
to our designation of lead agency. Insufficient information
is available for technical comments. The Department received
an application and it is incomplete. The Health Department has
received a subdivisin application and is awaiting test hol~<,
results prior to further processing. The project appears to
conform to the SC Article 6 in regard to the lot ~ize. The application
must demonstrate that the p~rcel is underlain hy naturally occuring
potable water supply.
Because there-.has been no correspondence from the NYS DEC received
in the alotted time, it is assumed that there are no comments
or objections from that ggency.
The project will meet all the requirements of the Code of the
Town of Southold Subdivision of Land Regulations.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold town Planning Board approve the sketch map
of Minas and Vassiliki Mihaltses and Demetrios and Katina Milhaltses
to be known~as "Sunrise Estates at Mattituck" located at Bergen Avenue
Matttit~hk]~for 7 lots on 15.8 acres in the cluster cnncept. SCTM ~ 1000-112-2-2.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On amotion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, C~e~,zfOllowing~
action was taken:
NEGATIVE DECLARATION
Pursuant to Article 8 of the Envirionmental Conservation Law,
State Environmental Quality Review Act and 6nYCRR Part 617, Setion 617.10
and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is hereby
given that $outhold Twon Planning Board as lead agency for thea ction
describeddbelow has determined that the project will,no have a significant
effect on the environment.
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION
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The minior subdivision of Birndorf and Rizzo is for 4 lots~on 9 acres
located at Main Road, Cutchogue. Tax map no.1000-97-3-1.
The project has been determined not to have a significant effect on the
environment for the following reasons:
An envirionmental assessment has been submitted which indicated
that no significant adverse effects fo the environment were likely
to occur should the project be implemented as planned.
Because~there has been no correspondence received in the alotted
time from the Suffolk County Department of Health Services it
is assumed that there are no comments or objections from that
agengy.
Because there has been no correspondence recieved from the NY
State Department of Environmental Conservation n the alotted
time, it is assumed that there are no comments objectinns from
that agency.
The prpject will meet allc~he ~equirements of the Code of the
Town of Southold Subdivision of Land REgulations.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, the~follwoing
action wasi~taken:
NEGATIVE DECLARATION
Pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Lmw,
State Envirionmental Q~ality Review Act and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section
617.10 and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is
herby given that Southold Town Planning Board as t~ad agency for the
action described below has determined that the project will not have
a significant effect on the envionm~nt.
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION
The minor subdivision of Stanley Rutkowski is a set off of 87,120 square
feet from 101179 acres located at East marin, tax map no. 1000-35-2-16.
The project has been determined not to have a significant effect on the
environment for the following reasons:
An envirionmental assemsement has been submitted which indicated
thatnno significant ~dverse effects to the environment were likely
to occur should the project be implemented as planned.
Because the~eahas been no correspondence ~eceived from the Suffolk
County Departent of Health SErvices in the alotted time, it ~s
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assumed that there are no comments or objections from that agency.
Because there has been no correspondence in the alotted time,
from the NY Department of Envirionmental Cosnervation in the
alotted time, it is assumed that there are no comments or objections
from that agency.
The project will meet all the requirements of the Code of the
Town of Southold Subdivision of Land Regulations.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On g ~otion made byMr. Mullen, seconded byMr. Latham,~±t was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the~set off for
Stanley Rutkowski ~o set off87,120 square feet fro 10.179 acres located
at East Marion, survey dated S~ptember 25, 1986 subject to:
1. Article 6 approval from the Suffolk County Department of Health
Services.
2. Consideration of recommendations, if any, from the Suffolk
County Planning Commission.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
7:45 p.m. Public hearing on the question of approval of the preliminary
maps for the major subdivision of Hodor/StRller to be known as East Marion
Woods located at East Marion for 26 lots on 59.8 acres in the cluster
concept.
Mr. Ward: Next, we have a public hearing on the quetion of approval
of the major subdivision for Hodor/Staller to be~Rnown as East Marion
Woods located at East Marion for 26 lots on 59.7 acres in the cluster
concept. I will dispense with the reading of the metes and bounds.
Are there any endorsements of the~subdivision?
Mr. Price: Mr. Chairman, I am Irving Price, Attorney at Greenport and
I represent the applicant. This matter actually started August 3t, 1981.
It is a long story and I will try to be brief,just for the record. This
matter had sketch plan aproval on June28, 1982 and got caught in the
rezoning for the two acres. We had two separate hearings be~orethhe
Town Board for relief which was,idenied, the secn~d~-one as a result of
the decision of the appellete d~eision which remanded it to the Town
Board for re-hearing. The matter is now before the appellate division
again but the action is stayed pending a settlement. We have been before
the Body several times, and I believe the main point,to consider is that
the original ~pplication was for Section t and II of a total of 59.8275
acres and it provided 35 one acre-lots and ~h~e.~as still'!I7 acres left
in Sectinn III for future application. The map that is before you
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is for a total of 59.8275 acres, the same as in 1983, but this map only
provides for 26 one acres lots as Opposed to 35 lots on 1983. On the
map that is before you tonight there is 31 plus acres in open space and
it provides for the cluster connpet. If there are any questions, I will
be glad to answer th~m.
Mr. Ward: Is there any one else that would like to speak on behalf df
the property. If not is ther anyone who would lire to speak positively
or negatively about the project. Was the action withdrawn with regard
to the ARticle 78.
Mr. Price; No.
Mr. Mullen: It wasn't.
Mr. Price: No, it was stayed by agreement of the counselor in court
subject to approval of the preliminary map and upon approval of the
preliminary map it will be wiChdrawn.
Mr. Mullen; Okay, thank you.
Mr. Ward: Any other questions? Mr. Emilita?
Mr. Emilita: I have a question for the Boa~dtto consider% The possiblity
of the clearing limits on the wooded lots. This could be done 6n the
final map.
Mr. Ward:
Mr. Price:
lots.
Mr. Ward: He is asking for building envelopes on the wooded lots so that
it would not be clear cut.
Okay, beiBg ko further comments, then, I will close the hearing.
May I ask what that means, clearing limits on the wooded
Mr. Price: Would that mean that this would get denied without that.
Mr. Emilita: No, I didn't say that.
MR. Ward: No, he didn't say that, he is looking for that on the final
submission and recommending to the Board to look into clearing limits
to show ont~heffinal map. It has nothing to do with this phase of it.
On a motion mad~ by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, '~h~'~r~llowing
action was taken:
NEGATIVE DECLARATION
Purmuan~to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law,
State Environmental Quality Review Act and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10
and ChaDter 44 of the Code of the~To~n.~of Soutohld, notice is hereby
given that the Southold Town Plan~ing Board as lead agency for the action
described below has determined that the project will not have a significant
effect on the environment.
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DESCRIPTION~OF ACTION
The minor subdivision of Robert Johnsen located at Sound View Avenue,
Southold is for four lots on 7.1 acres, tax map no . 1000-68-4-2
3.
The project has been determined not to have a significant effect
on the environment for the following reasons:
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated
that no significant advers effects to the environment were likely
to occur should the proejct be implemented as planned.
Because there has been no correspondence received from the Suffolk
County Department of Health Services in the alotted time, it
is assumed that the=e are no comments or objections from that
agency.
Because there has been no correspondence in the alotted time
from the NYS Department of Environmental Conservation in the
alotted time, it is assumed that there areno comments or objections
from that agency.
The-project will meet all the requirements of t~e Code of the
Town.~of Southold Subdivision of Land Regulations.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Sonthold Town Planning-Boa=d approve the sketch
map for the minor subdivision for Robert W. Johnsen located at
Southold for 4 lots on 7.1 acres, ~tax map no. 1000-68-4-2 and
3.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning~Board approve the set off for
Joseph G. and Catherine E. Riemer located at Bayshore Road, Arshamomaque
to set off 10,625 sqaure feet~from 21, 875 square feet, survey dated
March 20, 1986.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
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Michael Patellis the Board held action on the proposal for renovation
of the former VFW Hall lcoated at Boi~seau Avenue, Southold to a take
out restaurant, since no revised site plans were submitted.
On a motion made by Mr.Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the site plan
and supplemental landscape plan for Ted's Auto Body for construction
of an addiion on the existing auto body repair shop located at Cutchogue,
survey dated October 13, 1986, landscape plan dated November 17, 1986;
subject to:'~
1. Certification bythe Building Department
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Mullmn, seconded byMr. Latham, iit~.was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town,Planning Board Cefer the~site
plan of Joseph Taormina and Paula Clark for renovation of the former
North Fork Video to a take out pizzeria located at Main Road, Mattituck
to the Building Department for certification, this survey is dated as
amended October 31, 1986.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a~otion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that whereas a formal application for the approval of a subdivision
plat entitled "Crowley Estates" located at Southold was submitted to
the Planing Board on October 14, 1986 and filng fee was paid on May 5,
1986, and,
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held onsaid subdivision application and
pl~t at~the Town Hall, Southold, NYlon Novembe~ 10, 1986 at 7~30 p.m.,
and
WHEREAS, the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town
of Southold have been met by said subdivisio plat and appication,
NOW, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the application of Frieda Corwley
for approval of said subdivisio plat prepared by Sidney B. Bowne and
son dated August 1985 be approved and thei~Chairman be authorized to endorse
approval on said subdivision plat, subject to the following condition:
1. Payment of the parkland playground fee. When this fee has
been determined, we will advise you.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
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On a motionc~'~made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Plan~ing Board re-affirm the sketch map
approval of the minor subdivision of Thomas Samuels for 2 lots on 3.75
acres located at Orient, survey dated as last amended May 19, 1986.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, December 8,
1986 at 8:00 p.m. at the Southbld TownHall as the time and~pl&ce for
a public hearing on the~question of approval df the minor subdivision
of Thomas Samuels for 2 lots on 3.75 acres.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
8:00 p.m. Public hearing on thelquestion of approval of the proeposed
amendments to the subdivision regulations with regard to filing fees
for minor and major subdivison applications.
Mr. Ward: Ne~ we have a public hearing on the question of approval~
of the proposed2amendments to the Subdivigion Regulations with regard
to filing fees for minor and major subdivision applications.
~ust~to-mak~ mentihnedw~ha~ hte pcoper~legal'n~tice has been~fit~d.
It has been filed with the Suffolk Times, and also with the Long Island
Traveler WatChman and the legal notice was published. The sections of
the local law that would be affected would be section A106-22 A 2 which
would become~$200 per lot and Section A106-23 A 2 would be $1000 fee
plu~ $100 per acre. Is there anybody here that would like to be heard
on behalf of this proposed amendment~ Any comment from the board members?
Mr. Mullen: I thinR]~itzis a good idea.
Mr. Cro~: What is the present fees for a subdivision.
Mr. Mullen: It is a $t~0~a lot on a minor and the inspection fee is
$150. A major is now a $50 fee and $5 an acres.
Mr. Cron: F~e dollar~, it is jumping from five to one hundred.
Mr. Mullen: We hRve had some tremendous inspections fees from Mr. Davis
and other peopt& and the $5 situation is completely out of line in the
expenses. Als, this brings us up to what other communities are charging.
For~example, last we jump~d~on the fee for a bond f~om 4 to 5%. Some
communities have-6% or better. Our enginering has been going up considerabley
and when Mr. Dmvi~retires, it willbhe an astronomical figure.
M~.Cron: Is this based on studies?
Mr. Ward: It is based ontthe shortfall of what is happening, between
what we are collecting and what is being spent, there is a big disparacy
right now. This is to close the gap and pu~ it on a more self-sustaining
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Mr. Ward: Basis.
Mr. Multen: We have researched this to a degree.
Mr. WArd:
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Any further comment, hearing none, I will close the hearing.
Costelto,-.~Braeken~ Carroll
set off at Greenport
Mr. Ward: Next, number five, we have the Costelto, Bracken and Carroll
see off proposal 16cated at Moore's Lane and County Route 48, Greenport.
Any approval would be subject to the ~pplicant obtaining an affordable
housing district from the Town. Is there anyone here in support of this
proposal.
Mr. Costello: Yes, my name is John Costello and I am the applicant. The
lasts-sentence that you said confused me slightly, what was the condition~
Mr. Wacd: It would be subject to obtaining the AHD district, in other
words the approval would be subject~to yon obtaining the AHD district.
Mr. Cost~llo: This afternoon, I made the application for the AHD district.
MR. Wacd: We would rather not deal, as a Planning Board would not want
two parcels floating as two M zones, we would prefer to keep it as one
M zone parcel if you AHD does not go through. We believe that it will
go through, but our approval will be su ~ject to. WhatSoever the time
frame it is is that legally the two lots could be sold. We want to review
this as one parcel. We are in favor of it being divided for an M zone
for one por~ion~and an affordable housings!portion.
Mr. Costello: Could we also proceed with the site plan approvals for
this thing in the mean time.
Mr. Ward: Yes, we would have no p~oblem with that.
Mr. Costel~o: Is it possible to set up a scoping session with the Planning
Board and David Emilia. I am sure that there will have to be an addendum
done for the>DEIS And FEIS. And, I am sure that you can not make taht
decision now, but when you are available to have that scopi~g session.
That way we can have two ~tages done simultaneously.
Mr. Ward: I don't see a problem with seting up~'a~scoping session.
Mr. Emilita: Is Mr. Wiggon your engineer?
Mr. Eos~ellb~ Yes.
Mr. Emilita: I spoke with him today and based on what we discused, we
are examining the two proposal that are before this Board and the envirionmental
work that has to be down. And, identifying the gaps that need to be filled
with an environmental supplement. Once we have identified those issuej,
then I think it would be appropriate to hold a scoping session.
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Mr. Costello:, This project is less dense than the DEIS And FEIS that
wer previoulsy submitted. As soon as possible, I.would like a sloping
session so tht the engineer can work on that section offit.
Mr. Ward: Okay, I will take a motion with regard to the action.
On a motoin made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the set off for
the Costello property located at County Route 48, and Moores's Lane,
Greenport to set off 26.45 acres from 48.7 acres, survey datd October
25,1986; subject to:
Receipt of a change~:df zone on Parcel B to Affordable Housing
District with 100% affordable housing.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion made by Mr. Latham, seconed~d by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board accept the profile submitted
by Inspector John W. Davis for the access road withinthe minor subdivision
formally of Frank STillo, now owned by BLBD Enterprises located at~Or±ent.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
On a motion~made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham , it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the amended site
plan for Pipes Cove Condominium located at Sixth Street, Greenport/Southold
for construction of 8 units in 3 buildings, site plan dated as revised
September 21, 1986; subject to:
1. Certification by the Building Department.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
8:15 p.m. Mr. Henry E. Raynor, Jr., as agent has scheduled a presubmission
conference to disucss the site plan ~o be'kn~own as Tide Mark for constructin
of a 76-unit motel located at county Route 48~ Greenport, this is also
pending before the board of Appeals.
Mr. Ward: 8:15 p.m. We have Mr. Raynor, prsent for a presubmlssion
conference to disucss this site planf~or Tide Mark~'
Mr. Raynro: I am here tonight on behalf of the project forfTi~emark.
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Mr. Raynor: Cliffside Associates. We have a proposed site pHanwhich
is a reflection one. the Town of Southold being in great demand for transient
motel uses. My recollection is that this~is probably the first motel
that has come before the 8oard in l0 years. I have Doug Herlinw the
architect, if you have any questions. The project exists as 6 buildngs
as well as amenity package that includes tennis courts and swimming pool.
The plans conform and fulfill all the elements of Section 100-34 in addition
to try to reflect this Board's requests, that includes the addition~l
drainage plans by area and location, calculations and staking the property,
has been taken care of. The Board has been f~rnAshed with a disclosure
statement of the prindipals of Cliffside. And, as a result of the field
inspection and the Board's recommendation, Building F_has been lowered.
The attorney has also drawn a proposed set~'of~covenants and restrictions.
We have also received the Village of Greenport water contracts and I
have an affidavit wRich is going to the Board of Appeals with regard
to the executio~oC that contract as well as the fact that they will
be serviced by the Village of Greenport. I believe those are all the
outstanding elements. I believe the plan complies with all the requierments
of the ordinance. If Rll is satisfactory, I would request that the Board
send this onto the Building Department for certification. It was certifed
several years ago, however, it was certified under a d~ferent use and
it will require re-certification.
Mr. Ward: Have you contacted the county regarding the curb cut.
Mr. Raynor: We are in the proce~s~of doing that.
Mr. Ward: How about DEC?
Mr. Raynor: I believe that is in~hhe file.
Mr. Mnllen: There is a different figure in the covenants.
Mr. Raynor: There is an error based on ~he computation. It is Rlso
the same in the ZBA and I addressed that ahd Counselor will make the
correction tothe correct number.
Mr. Emilita: We have two Board's involved, the Zoning Board and the
Planning Board. At some point lead agency is going to have to be determined
between the two Boards~ That]~hasn't been done yet, so we have not made
a dtermination~under SEQRA.
Mr. Ward: We did with the prior application. We did it with the residential
use.
Mr. Raynor: This has been through that process.
Mr. Ward: We can take iead agency, the worst is that there are two resolutions
on file.
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen,~seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that~the Southold Town Planning Board declare themlselves lead
agency under the State Environmental Quality Review Act for the site
plan of Tide Mark for construction of a 76-unit motel located at Greenport.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
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On amotion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board refer the site plan for
Tide Mark, for constructin of a 76 unit motel lcoated at County Route
48,"Greenport to the Buiding Department for certifica~inn.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mullen, Latham, Ward
Alice Bergen -
The Board reviewed this proposalland the covenants and rest=ictions submitted.
It was the consensus of the Board to hold over this proposal until the
next regular Planning Board to determine more adequate wording for
the covenants and restrictions.
Proposed Local Law for Updating Building Permit Fee and
Certificate of Occupancy Fees
It was the consensus.~of the,Board to hold this over for the next-'regular
meeting prior to making a recommendation to the Town'Board~-
8:30 p.m. Ms~ Elizabeth Thompson, applicant, was present for an appointment
to discuss the proposal for Kings Bay Estates, located at Orient for
4 lots on 25 ~cres. This.appointment was made at the Board's request.
Mr. Ward: Next, we have Elizabeth Thompson who has schedut&d an appointment
to discuss the King Bay Estatesat Orient. Is the-~applicant here?
Ms. Thompson: Yes.
Mr. Wacd: Goodevening. We were concerned in looking at it and we asked
for building envelopes. If these were the envelopes theme-we felt it
was too restrictive. What we are saying is we were looking to take the
upper acre~ If we~were to'~take this and then noone could put a barn
in here. So what we were looking to do is, without forcing the cluster,
because we realize the integrity of this, Would be in a sense we would
end up with the same. So, if you were to give us the building envelopes
as a one acre, it would mean that everything behind that line would be
were the development would be for house~ garages and barns.
The open spac~ wo~ld really be open. So, if you are in agreement, we
can amend that and go from there.
Ms. Thompson : Okay, thank you...
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Cove Beach Associates
Mr. Harold Reese had sched~iedian appointment to discuss the proposal
for the pending major subdivision at East Marion, formerly referred to
as Cove Beach Associates.
Mr. Ward: Mr. Reese has requested an appointment'~tod~scuss'
the proposal for the pending major subdivision at Ease Marion
formerly referred to as Cove Beach Associates.
Mr. Reese: We fairly recently came under contract this particular
property which ...(inaudible) We have a closing later on this
month. In going over the plan, the thing I have noticed,
of course I was not in any of the planing stages on this,
the total acreage is 96 acres of which about 32 acres, almost
1/3 is open space. It seems to me, a little on the high side,
30% open space. Looking at the map, I'think you have copies
of this map, as you come in there is a 20 acre tract. On
the left hand, side of the turn in the road, you can see a
big open space tract there, 19.5 acres and it fairly flat
and it would seem to me to make an ideal spot for three or
four 1 ½ or.,two acre plots for people who want horses or something
of this nature. But, again not being in on it in the beginning,
I guess I should start with the Planning Board, there would
be three or four additional lotson the road.
Mr. Ward: As applicant here, we have given it Sketch approval
if you want to withdraw sketch and come back and with another
proposal, we have seen three or four proposals over the last
few years. I can understand...
Mr. Reese: I can understand, I realize I have come in on
the tail end of this thing. I could do that if I had the
Board's permission.
Mr. Ward: Sketch approval is not the tail end.
Mr. Reese: Well, as far as I am concerned.
Mr. Latham: Ail people ever did with the property was buy and sell it.
Mr. Reese: Well, I thought~it might interest the Board to
know we had this, 90% bought 2½ years ago. And,it was snapped
out from under us. That is the reason I am so particularly
interested in it, I want to join you people in living out
here and I have a homesite picked out where I would like to
build myself and that is the reason I longed for it and finally
I have it.
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beeh before us that we were t~ying to g P P
an~ cluster to a certain degree create the open space as a
buffer to th~ Dam Pond area and leave that as an open space,
so we were not disturbing what we felt were delightful wetlands.
That would also help maximum some of the lots on the Sound
and would provide open space where we felt it was signficant.
But actually this could be massaged different ways depending
on the application.
Mr Reese: Alright, with th~ Board's permission could I withdraw
that and then come in here~-with another plan?
Mr. Ward: Sure. ~
Mr. Reese: Is the Board in favor of raising the ratio
of open space or lowering it.
Mr. Ward: We were more in favor of getting more open space
not less.
Mr. Reese: I understand the Board's position of course, but
I would like to look at our position as well.
Mr. Ward: Why don't you do a rough sketch on it and come see
us with that.
Mr. Reese: The only change I would make is in that section,
twenty acres.
Mr. Latham: That is the old sand pit, isn't it.
Mr. Reese: Yes. We have had several requests over the past
years from people who are interested in having horses and
one acre is a little too small with two acres it may cater
to a small segment.
Mr. Ward: Why don't you take 1/2 of it in open space, put
a barn up and fence it in.
Mr. Lessard: It may surprise you to know if it strictly no
residence on it, it would require 10 acres to put a horse
on it. I didn't write this law, so don't get mad~ at me.
But, that is what the Book says today.
Mr. Reese: You need 10 acres.
Mr. Lessard: For an open lot, yes.
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Mr. Ward: If it is not a residential lot, if it is your open
space you would need 10 acres.
Mr. Lessard: Okay, but it also gives you the right to breed
those horses too. Okay, so it is a thought. To me, they did
an awful job and it should be modified but if the horse people
are happy, the politians are happy and I just enforce it.
Mr. Ward: Everybody is happy.
Mr. Lessard, No, I am not happy.
Mr. Latham: The other people adjoining you to the east, they
wanted to use your road. I don't think it is a good idea,myself,
becuae it is the'only road for this whole thin9.
Mr. Mullen: It is a heavy concentration.
Mr. Latham: In case something should happen ....
Mr. Mullen: Have them alerted to the situation.
Mr. Reese:
Mr. Latham:
They haven't approached me. - --
Nothing to do with your subdivsion.
Mr. Reese: No, they did approach me and wanted to know when
we would start on this and I said probably in the spring,
and they said good and I am sure they want to tap in for electricity.
I said I did'ut mind, but apparently that is what is holding
it up, they can't get electricity down there. Well alright
I thank the Board for listening to me. ' ,
Mr. Richard J. Cron, Esq. has scheduled an P~e§uhmission conference to
discuss th~ proposed site plan for Theodore Petikas for constructinno
of a restaurant/snack bar located at County Route 48, Greenport.
Mr. Ward: Next, we have Mr. Theodore Petikas and Mr. RichardJ. Cron
have scheduled a presubmission conference to discuss this site plan
for construction of a restaurant located at Greenport. Mr. Cron, isn't
this at the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Mr. Cron: A prior applicatiQn~is before the Board, but since thJt time
the submission before the Board no~ered the residential area, but the
amended application, new application deals with a much smaller scaled
down type of facility. Since the residential area is only utilzed as
parking.
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Mr. Ward: You are aware that our recommendation~on~the Master Plan is
to make this residential.
Mr. Cron: I am aware of your res61utiun on the prior application that
you would have, because of what is recommended on the Master Plan, that
you wold have recommended denial. I am not certain that that is appropriate.
Now, wether that will be the same here, I don't know. In light of the
fact that it is a-differnt application. But, in any event, we should
start somewhere. I am not certain that~I need the ZBA on this application.
We have defined the commercial aspect of the premises.
Mr. Ward: With the parking, how far can you go into the residential
zone.
Mr. Cron: I don't think there is any prohibition of it at all.
Mr. Lessard: There is, it is not a permitted use. The only time it is
a permitted use is in the A zone. If you want me to look it up I will.
Mr. Croh: Yes, I am curious.
Mr. Lessard: You will need a use variance in the A zone. Becasue, that
is not normally permitted in that zone.
Mr. Cron: W~ll, if I am forced to do it. Well, I guess there is one
way to find out, make an application to the BuiIdng Department for a
permit.
Mr. Lessard: Then I wil be sure to find it.
Mr. Ward: Is there a well on this site.
Mr. Cron: They haveppublic water, so water is really/nn~ a problem.
Mr. latham: Is this on Route 25, it says so on the key map.
Mr. Cron: No, it is ail on Route 48, look on the key map.
Mr. Lessard: Look at 100-12 I. I think that is what we are looking for.
Mr. Cron: Well, I assume I will be stimed by the Planning Baord as far
as site plan, so I will have to go to you and make my application for
the building permit.
Mr. lessard: Yes, and we will shake it out from there.
Edward Dartu-
Mr. Richard Cron, Esq. questioned the Board with the !egard to the procedure
for filng minor subdivsion maps which was a requirement for this approved
minor subdivision~-~at County Route 48. He stated!that it is a major process
and questioned if~all minors would have to be filed. Mr Ward stated
that they would since that is the requirement of the CountyPlanning Commission
as well.
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Being no further business to come before the Board, on a motion made
by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. latham and carried, the meeting was adjourned
at 8:44 p.m.
Respectfully submitted.
~.~ ~ /~j ~ane M. Sehultze, S~cretary
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