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Planning Board Minutes
The Southold Town Planning Board held a regular meeting on Monday, April
27, 1987 at 7:30p.m. at the Southold Town Hail, Main Road, Southold,
NY.
Present were:
Chairman Bennett Orlowski,Jr.
Member G. Ritchie Latham, Jr.
Member William F. Mullen, Jr.
Planner David Emilita
Executive Administrator Victor Lessard
Secretary Diane M. Schultze
Absent:
Member Richard G. Ward
Member Kenneth Edwards
7:30 p.m. Public hearing on the question of approval of the minor subdivision
for Winds Way Building Corp. located at Linden Avenue, Cntchogue for
4 lots on 13.5 acres.
Mr. Orlowski: This is apublic hearing on the question of approval of
the minr subdivision for Winds Way building Corp. located at Linden AVenue,
Cutchogue, this is 4 lots on 13.5 acres. At this time, we have everything
in the file in order. We have proof of publication from the Suffolk
Times, signed by Richard Williams and notorized by Mary Deegnan a~d proof
of publication in the Long Island Traveler Watchman signed by Pat Woods
and notorized by Barbara Forbes. As I said, everything is in order
for the hearing and I will ask if there area any objections to this minor
subdivision? Hearing none. Any endosrements of this minor subdivision.
Hearing none. Is there any one out there neither pro nor con but may
have information pertaining to this subdivision which may be of interest
to this Board? Hearing none, any questions from the Board, Mr. Mullen,
(none); Mr. Latham, (none); Mr. Emilita (none). I wil declare this hearing
and thank you for coming down.
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, May 11, 1987
at 7:30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall as the time and place for the
next regular Board meeting.
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Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham
On amotion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Twon Planning Board set Monday, May 11, 1987
at 7:30 p.m. at the Southotd town Hall, as the ~ime and place for a public
hearin gon the question of approval of the preliminary maps for the major
subdivision f Long Pond Estates, ~etion II located at Laurel Aenue, Southold.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowok~, Mullen, Latham
The Board set the following new pzoposals for a field inspection:
Lilian VIshno - 3 lot son 19,298
Greenport.
George Kaytis - set off of 40,000
Point, Southold.
Pugliese and Calabrese - 18 lots o
Main Roa, Cutchogue. The Board wil
the change of zone is acted on by
On a motion made by Mr. Latham, se
RESOLVED that teh Southold Town P1
Mullen Motors located at Cottage P
Department for certification. Sit
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski
uare feet located at Corwin Street,
quare feet from 2.361 acres at Paradise
41 acres in the clster concept at
not take action on this propsoal until
the Town Board.
~onded by Mr. Mullen~ it was
~nning Board refer the site plan of
Lace for employee parking to the Buiding
Plan dated as amended April , 1987.
Mullen, Latham
On a motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED ~hat the Southold Town Pl~nnig Board accept and refer to the
Town Boara, the bond estimate prepared by the Town Engineer, Lawrence
Tuthill, for the major subdivision of Daniel Marcucci located at Southold
to be known as "Reydon Court" ; bond estimate inthea mount of $65,000.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski. Mullen, Latham
On a motion made by Mr. Latham, se. onded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold '~own Pl~nnig Board set Monday, May 11, 1987
at the Southold Town Hall, 7:45 p.n. as the time and place for a public
hearing on the questionof approval of the final maps for the major subdivision
of Daniel Marcucci to be known as "Reydon Court" located at Southold.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham
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7:45 p.m. Public hearing on the question of approva of the minor subdivisio
for Winds Way Building Corporation located t New Suffolk Avneue Cutchogue
fur 4 lots on 11.88 acres.
Mr. Orlowski: Next, we have a public hearing on the question of approval
on the minor subdivision of Winds Way building Corp. located at New Suffolk
Avenue, Cutchogue, for 4 lots on 11.88 acres. We have proof of publication
in the Long Island Traveler Watchman signed by Pat Woods and notorized
by Barbara Forbes, we also have proof of publication inthe Suffolk Times,
signed by Richard Williams and notorized by Mary Deegnan. At this time,
everything is in order for a hearing. I will ask if there are any objections
to this minor subdivision. Hearing none, are they there endorsemetns
to this subdivision.
Mr. Hobson: Excuse, I represent the County Club Estates, property owners
association. We have six acres contiguous with the upper region of Downs
Creek and we are very much interested in the environment integrity of
the creek, and what impact this building will have on the creek. Is
there any assurance we can get, from teh planners or the builders that
they will not seek variances or exceptions to any ruling of the State
Environmental people.
Mr. Orlwoski: If they do, they would have a public hearing on that.
Mr. Hobson: We just want to register our concern about that.
Mr. Orlowski: Okay, are there any other objections? May I have your
name, sir for the record.
Mr. Hobson: Richard Hobson.
Mr. Orlowski: Hearing no other objections, are ther any endorsements
of this minor subdivision.
Ms. Pat Moore: Just for the record, I would like to point out that we
do have the DEC approval and we do ahve the Health Department approval
at this time.
Mr. Orlowski: Okay, any other endorsements of this subdivision? Hearing
none, are there any one out there neither pko no=~con but may have information
pertianing to this subdivision which may by of interest to the Board? Hearing
none, any questions from the Board (none). Okay, being no further questions,
I will declare this hearing>closed and thank you for coming.
M. Paul Friedberg
major subdivision at Mattituck.
Mr. Daniel Ross, Esq was presnt on behalf of the applicant to discuss
this proposal.
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Mr. Orlowski:r Next, we have M. Paul Friedberg for 13 lots on26 acres
in teh cluster concept at Mill Road, Mattitck. David, I know you made
a field inspection and had some comments, would you like to address them.
Mr. Emilita: First, I would like to go back to the yield map which as
I recall shows the entire tract of land covered with lots. It shows no
area for drainage, no ~rea for park and we can't properly review this
sketch plan until we get an appropriate yield over the entire site.
I would draw the Board's attention to the depression of land which on
the yield map encompases tots 8, 9, and t0 and I think that although
there may be no drastic drainage problem at present because this area
is all meadow, upon development of this site and of the Cooper site to
the West the~ will be a significant drainage problem in the area shown
as lot 8, 9, and l0 and so I think that the yield map has to be re-drawn
to take that into account. We simply have no provision on the yield
map for drainage.
Mr. Ross: S~, in terms of the yield map, you would like three f the
lots eliminated.
Mr. Emilita: Well, I am not saying eliminate three of the lots, I am
saying that these three lots will be a problem. They will probabtyflood
out and I will leave it to your engineer to come up with an appropirate
design for drainage. I am not telling you but saying that it will have
to be re-designed and probably we candevelop a cluster.
MR. Ross: I thought that you did not consider drainage on the yield map
~ut on the final map.
Mr. Emitita: If you want to do justice to the site, the site has to be
buildable in order to establish your yield interms of number of lots.
Mr. Ross: We are hoping to get comments tonigh on the comments I show
here, we can work with the number of lots if we know where or have some
idea where the lots are going to be.
Mr. Emilita: In terms of the cluster, lots 5,6, and 7 should probably
not be located whre they are but should be located at the northern end.
I think the Board is looking for a continuous track of open space.
Mr. Ross: W~ have been over this and what we are trying to do i$ keep
that area open for nursery. We are trying to keep all the lots out of
the very low are and we were thinking this cluster down in the lower
area as being a form of compromise, trying to keep all the lots out of
that low area, of th~ 40' line.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, we reviewed this and Mr. Ward isn't here but it is
much more like what we are looking for. As Dave reviewed it, you density,
might loose m lot here and if it going to taking a lot out of the middle,
probably lot No. 7 should be the first one to go leaving 5 and 6 you
might want to move that to the north and move the rest of that to open
space. We are muchcloser now than we were before.
Mr. Ross: Can we live with one or two lots there in the middle or are
you going to request that that whole area be open.
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Mr. Ross: Here you have two open spaces, on e that will be used as nursery
which is one of the points of the cluster. To have lots in the middle,
you have two large open spaces, one almost 5 and one almost 6.
Mr. Orlwoski: Is there any reason for keeping them in the middle, I
mean the open space appears, if you did move them to the North, you would
still have the open space for the nursery. Or is that marginal land.
Mr. Ross: Basically the party that is here and the party that is running
the nursery is not the party that is taking the lot and for that reason
we would like to keep most of the lots down at this end. The nursery
will have the four'lots and~the open space. That is why we are trying
to keep this ag shown while trying to do as the Board requested and keeping
the lots out of the low area. In terms of the number of lots, we can
live with that, but what we are working with is the general concept where
you want to the to be.
Mr. Latham: How about taking those lots and moving them to lots 8 and
9.
Mr. Ross: Well, that will be in the low area again.
Mr. Emilita: Lots 5 and 6 in that position will still be receiving drainage
from the nursery.
Mr. Ross:
problem.
high.
Ther is a slope there, but we don't feel that ther is a drainage
There will be drainage. Those lots, 5 and 6 are up there quite
Mr. Orlowski: Why don't you re-do your yield map and find out exactly
how many lots we'are talking about. I think if you are going to be loosing
two, that one lot can go either one way or the other. I don't see a big
problem with that, if you are loosing one, let's sit down and see which
way we can go. But that one lot will be ahve to be and take into consideration
the park and playground -..as per what Mr. Emilita has asked for.
Mr. Latham: There is a 50' Town Road on the map which Mr. Ward indicated
is that okay.
Mr. Orlowski: It would hae to be improved to Town specification and
would have to show as 50'
Mr. Ross: Would the yield map have to show the park and playground,
we intended to put in money in lieu of.
Mr. Orlowski: The yield map would still have to show it.
George and Irving Newman -
subdivisionat Orient
Ms. Janet Geasa, attorney for the applicant, was present for the Board's
review of this proposal.
Mr. Orlowski: Boad to review the final sketch map for the minor subdivision
of George and Irving Newman located at Orient for 4 lots on 16 acres.
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Mr. Latham: The layout was okay, as far as I am concerned. It is just
that the right of way that goes down across the middle is my concern.
That is all meadow land and it can not be filled on for a road. I am
concerned that it is afragile area .
Ms. Geasa: I don!t know that that particular area, it is higher area ....
I don't know about the question if the meadow can have the right of way
down across it. The general meadow area, but I don~t know if that is
all meadow area.
Mr. latham: The layoutlisokay as far as I am concerned.
Ms. Geasa; We would really need that right-of-way to go up the fourth
parcel there, so parcel four would have access.
Mr. Latham; Well, if the right of way went just down to lot 4, that
would be okay. I am concerned with the possiblity of people traveling
over it.
Ms. Gease: I~see what you are saying, you~reRlly just need the access
down to lot 4.
Mr. Latham; The DEC is interested in,buying the meadow.
Ms. Geasa: Yes, we were contacted.
Mr. Latham: Did you get a DEC permit.
Ms. Geasa: Yes we did.
Mr. Latham: My only question is stopping the right-of-way from going
through lot.~4.
Mr. Irving Newman: You mentioned George and Irving, it is only Irving,
my brother deceased.
Mr. Orlowski: Do you have any problem with that recommendation.
Ms. Geasa: No.
Mr. Emilita: Lot 4, in the meadow area, is there a tie line, and why
is that line shown.
Ms. Geasa: Initially, what we had anticpated doing is making that five
lots and I think that is just a carry over from the last map, when we
had it divided.
Mr. Emilita: To aviod confusion khis line ought to disappear.
Ms. Geasa: We will eliminate that line.
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On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOVLED that the Soutohld Town Planning Boar approve the sketch plan
for the minor subdivision oflrving Newman located at Main Road, Orient
for 4 lots on 16.4 acres, survey dated as amended February 19, 1987 subject;
!. Eliminating the tie line between the wetland area and lot
No. 4. This should be included with the parcel.
2. Eliminating the right-of-way from Lot No. 4 to the creek.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board refer to the Town Board
the following comments with regard to the change of zone request for
Burt Lewis lcoated at Souhottd for a change of zone from A-R to B zoning:
1. It is noted that this property is proposed for Hamlet Business
zoning on the proposed zoning map.
2. This use is also inconformance withthe Master Plan which
was adopted by the Board in December 1985.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham
Ona motion made by Mr. Mullmn, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the preliminary
maps for the major subdivisin of Nicholas Aliano located at County Route
48, Peconic for 8 lots on 16.8 acres, survey dated as amended March 2
1987. '
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Twon Planning Board accept and requuest complainee
with Inspectror John W. Davis' report NO. 582 with regard to the access
road improvements within the right-of-way of the minor subdivision of
William and Muriel Murray located at Cutchogue.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham
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On a motion made by Mr. Latham, seconeed by Mr. Mullen, the following
action was taken:
NEGATIVE DECLARTION
Pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental conservation Law,
State Environmental Quality Review Act and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10
and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is hereby
given that Southold Town Planning Board as lead agency for the action
described below has determined that the project will not have a significant
effect on the enviroment.
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION
The major subdivision of "Henry Arbeeny" is located at the corner
of Kenney's Road, and County Route 48, Southold it is for 6 lots on 7.5
acres, 3 in the AR zone and 3 in the B zone. TAX MAP NO. 1000-59-7-31.
The project has been determined not to have a significant effect
on the environmen for the following reasons:
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated
that no significant adverse effects on the environment were
likely to occur should the proejct be implemented as planned.
The Department of Environmental Conservation has not responded
in the alotted time, therefore, it is assumed that there are
no comments or objections by that agency.
The Suffolk County Department of Health Services has no objection
to our designation of lead agency. The Department has received
an application which is incomplte. It appears tht the project
can be serviced by Subsurface sewage disposal system and a public
wter supply. The applicant has proposed public water for lots
4,5, and 6 and well water for lots 1,2, and 3. The department
has requested that public water be provided for all six parcels
inthe proposed subdivision. If the applicant does not want to
provide pubilc water services to lots 1, 2, and 3, then he has
to request a Board of Review determination for his proposal.
The applicant must also show sewage disposal locations (in front
of house) and water main locations on the final map. Approval
by the deprtment shall not be granted for this subdivision until
these matters are reasolved.
The project will meet all the requirements of the code of the
town of Southold Subdivisin of Land Regulations.
Further information can be obtained by contacting diane M. Schultze,
Secretary, Southold Twon Planning Board, Main Road, Southold, NY 11971.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham
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On a motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant preliminary approval
to the major subdivision for Papadopoulos and Maragos located at Kenney's
Road, Southold for 5 lots on 14.375 acres, survey dated as amended December
10, 1986.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham
On a motion m~de by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the site plan
for John Senko for construction of an office/retail complex located
at Ackerly Pond Lane, and Main Road, Southold, site plan dated as amended
March 18, 1987 with supplemental landscape plan dated April 21, 1987.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham
On a motion made by Mr. Mullen, seconded by Mr. Latham, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board accept and make the necessary
referalls for the major subdvision proposal to be known as "Cedarfields"
located at Moores' Lane, and County Route 48, Greenport.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham
The Board requested that Mr. Emilita review the Draft environmental Impact
Statement for completeness. Upon receipt of that review, the Seqra process
will continue.
The 8:00 p.m. appointment withMr. Samuel Gtickman, Esq., with regard
to overriding the disapproal of the County Planning Board for the subdivision
of Helmut Hass at Peconic was cancelled. The appointment will be re-scheduled
for~the next regular Planning Board meeting. There were-not enough Board
members present to override the County since a majority plus one is needed
and there was only a majority present.
Mr. David Kapell was present as agent, to discuss withthe Borad the request
for a 200' setback for the minor subdivision of Hanoch and Watts located
at County Route 48, Cutchogue.
Mr. Orlowski: Okay, next we have Mr. David K~apell, as agent, who has
requested an appointment to discuss the'request for a 200T setback for
the minor subdivision of Ranoch and Watts located at County Route 48,
Cutchogue.
Mr. Kappell: I would like to explain, two things. One, they
felt that the covenants on the oversized lots that they were willing
to give were in itself a large con~essio~ on their part. The~tots are
going to be very large. They have already begun to plant the two lots
n the rear with grapes. They have an eye to doing the same onthe two
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lots that front on County Route 48. The idea of setting that far back
on the property cramps their plan, and their intentions with regard to
the planting because they are not going to plant between the house and
the road. So, I would ask for some relief of 100'. I think they would
go along with 100'. The other thing is the houses on either side are
closer. I understand the Board's reasoning and I think, frankly, most
people looking to building on the lots would want to set back a reasonalble
distance and even without the requirement, people would build farther
back than the other houses in the area. But, if you look at this property,
the houses on either side are closer.
Mr. Orlowski: It is a good chance to push it back now.
Mr. Kappell: Well, they are not unwilling to agree, it is just the extent
of the set back.
Mr. Orlwoski: Well, if you are talking of planting grapes, are you subdividing
the land for houses or are you going to plant, I don't know.
Mr. Kapell: Well, it may be a combination of the two, with lots theses
size, there is enough room to locate the house toward the road and still
leave an area in the back large enough to plant on, in conjunntion with
the other planting tht has already been done.
Mr. Orlwoski: We asked the applicant to set back 200' since we are looking
at 800' deep lots.
Mr. Emilia: The covenants and restriction against further subdivision.
Mr. Kapell: They have agreed to tthat and they feel that it is a-consession
on their part. That is in perpetuity.
Mr. Emilita: I think in visw of that, I would be inclined to modify
that.
Mr. Orlowski: You will go for 100' though.
Mr. Kapell: I think so.
Mr. Orlowski: With a covenant we will get alot of open space.
Mr. Dan Ross, Esq. approached the Board with regard to the site plan
for North Fork Early Learning Center. He stated that they are operating
out of the Veterans Community Center in Mattituck. He noted that they
are going for a special exceptionan~ variances and need site plan approval.
We were hoping to avoid the cost of a survey and I donYt anticipate that
they will have too' many changes and I was asking for the waiver of a
necessity of a survey. Mr. Orlowski stated that the Board has a policy
which they will not waivmr which is to ask for a site plan.
Mr. Lessard questioned the roads in Hillcrest and what the Board would
accept for approval for vacant certificates of occupancy. Mr. Orlowski
stated that the roads must be completed and'approved prior to the
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issuance of any permits.
Being no further business to come before the Board, on a motion made
by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, and carried, the meeting was adjourned
at 8:22 p.m.
REspectfully submitted,
/~/~/ // // e M. Schultze, Secretary
~/~/~ ~ ~ Southold Town Planning Board
ennett Orl'ow~5, Jr., Cha~an
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