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TOWN OF SOUTItOLD
PLANNING BO~/%D MINUT~.g
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~EPTEMBER 12, 1988
The $outhold Town Planning Board held a regular meeting on
Monday, September 12r 1988 at 7:30 p.m. at the Southold Town
Hal!~ Main Road, Southold~
PRESENT WERE
Bennett Orlowski~ Jr., Chairman
Member William Mullen
Member G. Ritchie Latham
Member Richard Ward
Town Planner Valerie Scopaz
Planner Melissa Spiro
SecretaryJill Thorp
Building Inspector Victor Lessard
ABSENT:
Member Kenneth Edward~
Mr. Orlowski: I woUld like to call tP~s meeting to order. First
order of bUSiness is Watte~ L. G~abier Jr..- Public hearing on
the question of final approval for this lot line change.
parcel is toca~ed on the Main Road at ~attituck.
SCTM 91000it14-1!-7.1 & 9. We have proof in the
Su~foik Times and also in the Long Island
Bvez~Fthing is in order for a public hearing. I will ask if there
are any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, are there
any endorsements to this subdivision? Hearing nor~e, is there
anyone out there that is neither pro nor con but may have
i~ozmation pertaining to this subdivision that would be of
interest .to the Board.? Hearin~ none, any questions from the.
Board? Mr. Mullen? Mr. Latham? Mr. Ward?
Reply of Board: No questions~
Planning Board 2 September 12, 1988
Mr. Orlowski: Ms. Scopaz?
Ms. Scopaz: No.
Mr. Orlowski: Being no further questions, I will declare this
hearing closed and thank you for coming.
Mr. Orlowski: Board to set Monday, October 3, 1988 at 7:30 p.m.
at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold as the time and
place for the n~xt re~lar Planning Board meeting.
Mr. Mullen: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion m~a~ ~nd seconded. Any questions on the
motion? Ai~ those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Multen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. The next meeting I would like
to set for Fishers Island on October i, 1988.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. La~hmm: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latbmm, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Horse Haven- Board to review the map for
approval. This parcel is on 2.027 acres located at Laurel.
SCTM %1000-125-2-1.24. This was approved by the Board on April
2, 1987. We have Health approval ~nd comments frnm Suffolk
County Planning. On their co~nts they muYe to approve it
subject to the filing of these maps. I think we can entezhain a
motion to sign these maps subject to that Suffolk County Com~ent
and receiving mylars.
Mr. Mullen: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mutten, Lath~m, Ward.
Planning Board 3 September 12, 1988
Mr. 0rlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: North Grove Estates (Greenfield Estates)- Board
to review the Suffolk County Planning Commission report dated
August 23, 1988. Board to set Mon~y~ October 3, 1988 at 7:30
p.m. for a public hearing on the question of the preliminary
approval for this major subdivision. This parcel is on 46.5712
acres located at Cutchogue. SCT~ ~i000-95-4-4.1. Fir. Cuddy are
you representing the applicant?
Mr. Cuddy: Yes.
Mr. Orlowski: Do you have ~ny problem with meeting these
conditions?
Mr. Cuddy: I can not tell you, because I have not seen them.
Mr. Ward: We also had a couple of comm~_nts about the road
alig~nent. We were a little concerned about the right angle, not
being a right angle connection here with this curb. We were just
trying to... Th~n we were looking to possibly take.., since
there was a prett~ good slope down here, that maybe two of these
lots would go up front.
Mr. Cuddy: O.K.
Ms. Spiro: And the extension of Old Sattle Lane. It is just a
tiny little.., it is marked on there.
Mr. Ward: The extension of that...the dedication.
Mr. Cuddy: Can I get a copy of that?
Mr. Ward: Yes.
Ms. Spiro: We will copy that for you and get a copy of thm
c~mnents to you also.
Mr. Cuddy: It is no problem doing this by October 3, 1989.
Mr. Orlowski: Can you, otherwise we will h~ve to c~picet the
hearing.
Mr. Cuddy: I will try and get it back to you by next week.
Mr. Ortowski: O.K. will you make ~h~t a motion?
Mr. Ward: So moved to accept report and set hearing.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowsk~: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Planning Board 4 September 12, 1988
Vote of the Board~ Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Cuddy: Thank you.
Mr. Orlowski: George R. Furse- Board to take action on the
Sketch map for this set-off, survey dated and amended April 12,
1988. In your agend~ it says November i2, but it is April. Board
o start the coordination process to determine lead a~enc~ and
nvironm~tal signiEicance. This parcel is on 3.64 acres located
t Fishers IsI~nd. SCTM $1000-9-3-2. The ZBA has granted a
~ariance. Everything is in order for sketch subject to C and Rs
tatin9 no further subdivision of lot number one and that the
~ottage never be considered a principal dwelling. I think if we
sk for that everything will be alright. Mr. Edwards is in favor
of that.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? Ail those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. We can~ do this as an unlisted
action, because o~ non-significance.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Mullen: Second.
~. Orlowski: Motion msde and-seconded. Any q~estion~ on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
~. Orlowski: Robert & Sidney Olmsted- Board to take action on
this sketch map ~or this minor subdivision, survey dated
amended November 18, 1986. Board to start the Coordination
process to determine lead agency and environmental significance.
This parcel is on 3+ acres located at bL%ttitu~k.
SCTM 91000-114-7-14. I will abstain fz~, any voting on this
since Mr. Olmsted is a relative. One of the few I have without
s.k.i. What is the Boards pleasure on sketch?
Mr. Mullen: I move we proceed.
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Mr. Latham: Second the motion.
Mr. Ortowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion.? All those in favor?
Person from audience: Just one question. M~s this been approved
by ZBA.
Mr. Orlowski: Yes.
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Muller, La,ham, Ward.
Abstain: Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Noting I abstain. Lead
agency?
Mr. Latb~m~: So moved.
Mr. Mullen: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any question~ on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Muller, Latham, Ward.
~. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Cove Beach Estates- Board to grant a 30 day
extension, from September 28, 1988 to October 2B, 1988, for the
review of the Draft Enviro~,,ental Impact Statement. This parcel
is on 96 acres located at East Marion. SCTM $1000-22-3-15.i &
18.3.
Mr. Muller: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded~ Any question~ on the
motion? Ail those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Muller, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: OppOsed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Watsh Park Benevolent Corp.- Board to set
October 1, 1988 for a meeting on Fishmrs Island to m~ke a
determination under the State Environmental Quality Review Act
and to hold a public hearing on. the preliminary map.
SCTM $i000-6-2-3.1.
Mr. Latham: Move it.
Planning Board 6 September 12, 1988
Mr. Mullen: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote o£ the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Bertram Holder- Board to make a deteza,~n~tion
under the State Enviro~a~ntat Quality Review Act. This parcel is
on 34.619 acres located at Ashamomaque. SCTM 91000-57-2-1.~.
Everything is in orde~ for a negative dec. Wh~t is the pleasure
of the Board?
Mr. Latham: Move for a negative dec.
Mr. Ward: Just a comment along with ~hat. The reason being that
we are addin~ s'~bs~antially to the small lots along the creek
front. We see nothing but a benefit to the overall plan by doing
this.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Motion made and seconded. Any questions on
the motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Lath~m, W~rd.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Howard Rosenstone- Board to make a determination
under the State Environmental Quality Review Act. This parcel is
on 13.64 acres located at Cutchogue. SCTM $1000-83-3-2.
Everything is in order for a negative dec.
Mr. Mullen: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any question~ on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Thomas Shalvey- Board to make a determination
under the State Environmental ~l~ty Review Act. This parcel is
on 13.64 acres located at Cutchogue, SCTM $1000-84-4-tl. All in
order for a negative dec.
M~. Lath~m: I'll move that.
Planning Board 7 September 12, 1988
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion m~de and second. Any questio~ on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Katherine Bitses- Board to review: the Suffolk
County Planning Co~m~ssion review dated September 3, 1987. Board
to make a determination under the State Enviroi~ntal Quality
Review Act. This parcel is on 11.8 acres located at Southold.
SCTM ~1000-87-5-p/o 21.1,21.2. Without reading the report, I
think the Board would request comp]~nce of t~ Planning
Co~m~ssion and at ~his time it is O.K. to negative dec.
Mr. Mullen: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowsk~: Opposed? So ordered.
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Mr. Orlowski: Elijah's Lane Estates~ Sections 1,2 & 37 Board
to review the engineer's report, dated September i, 1988. This
parcel is on 20.345 acres located at Mattituck.
SCTM ~1000-108-4-7.1. This is O.K. to accept. Section three maps
will now have to be changed to reflect the change in the
drainage. We are taking it out of the open space a~d Sidney
Bowne said we will be O.K. using the existing drainage that is
there. What is the pleasure of the Board on the report?
Mr. Ward: Move for compliance with the report.
Mr. Latham: Second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions to the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Ortowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Cox Lane Industrial park- Board to start the
coordination process to determine lead agency and environmental
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significance. This parcel is located on Cox's Lane off CR 48 at
Cutchogue. SCTM ~1000-84-1-26.
Mr. Mullen: Mr. Chairm~n I must refrain from c~m~enting on this
project for possible conflict of interest.
Mr. Orlowski: OoK.
Mr. Latham: I move we start the coor84uation process.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? Ail those 4n favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Latham, Ward.
Abstain: Mullen.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. I th%~k the only other
questions we had on this was the landscaping and what the
exterior would be on the outside the building.
Mr. 0rlowski: John & Joan Polyweda- Board to make a
determination on the final map of this site plan, survey dated
and amended October 28, 1987. This parcel is located on the Ma}u
Road at Southold. SCTM ~1000-62-3-2.
Mr. Ward: Move for approval.
Mr. Mullen: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: The only c~mLent we had on that was the drainage.
They have to get that drywell in there. We can make it subject
to that.
Mr. Ward: Yes.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Andrew Stype- Board to authorize the Chairmar: to
endorse the final survey, dated and amended April 11, 1988. This
parcel is located on the N~4~ Ro~8 at Mattituck.
SCTM $1000-122-7-6.6.
Mr. Latham: Move it.
Planning Board 9 September 12, 1988
Mr. Mullen: Second.
Mr. Ward: I think we can add it into there that there be a final
drainage review. As it relates to not only this site but to the
adjacent site.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. I'll entertain a motion to approve and sign
s~bject to those conditions.
Mr. Ward: Alright.
Mr. Latham: O.K.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made ~n~ seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Fishers Island Country Club- Board to authorize
the Chairm~n to endorse the fin~l survey, dated and amended July
30, 1988. This parcel is located on Fishers Island.
SCTM ~1000-4-4-9.
Mr. Mullen: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latbam, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (four maps signed)
Mr. Orlowski: Brisotti & Silkworth- Board to send this site
plan, survey dated September 12, 1988, to the Buitdin~
Department for certification. This parcel is located on th~ Main
Road in Mattituck. SCTM ~1000-122-7-p/o6.3. Everything is in
order. What is the pleasure of the Board.
Mr. Latham: I move we send it.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on th~
motion? Ail those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
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Mr. Orlowski: Marina Bay Club- Board to review correspondence
from SuffolkCo~ntyDepartment of Health Services, dated
September 8, 1988. This parcel is located at New Suffolk.
SCTM 31000-117-8-18. We have two comments. Without reading the
whole thing; One is in regard to water supply alternatives. Two
the application require, L~nts. I would like to entertain a ~tion
to accept this report and send it onto the applicant.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any question~ on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Boa_rd; Ayes: Orlowski, Multen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Raynor, do you know if
this is an active file?
Mr. Raynor: Yes, it is Mr. Chaizman. It is active and on going.
Both recommendations made by the Suffolk. County Department of
Health Services, number one with regazd to water supply have
been persued by H2M. Number two the..,pezmit required has been
applied for already, contrary to any rumor you may have heard.
The set backs with regard to ~h~ one ht]ndr~ed and fifty foot from
the well casement because we are using a reverse osmosis system
and the fifty foot clearance on the drainage and that is being
addressed by H2M. All of these issues are being addressed and
yes it is on going.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Very good.
Mr. Orlowski: Young's Marina- Board to make a determination on
the final maps, dated and amended March 23,. 1988. This parcel is
located on Sage Blvd. at Greenport. SCT~1000-57-1-38.~.
Mr. Ward: Fir. Chaiz~an, for the record our review cf this is
related to the up land of Young's Marina. The addition oE marina
slips is under the jurisdiction of the Town Trustees. In our
environmental review of this plan to expand the parking area the
Planning Board to O.K. into account the following factors with
regard to thed~term~nation to approve this site planproposal
to expand the parking area. One is the installation of a
drainage system to the parking area. At present, the storm water
runoff tend~ to discharge directly from ~'he parking' area into
the surface water surrounding the marina because of the clay
composition of the soils. The proposed drainage system is
designed to catch and filter the runoff before it discharges
into the surface wa=ers. The system consists of a two foot wide
collection trench and a catch basin located between the parking
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area and the surface
waters. The trench contains gravel and a perforated pipe. The
pipe and the trench are sloped towards one of two four foot deep
leaching basins. These drainage plans have been modified and
approved by the Town's engineering consultants. Secondly, the
installation of landscaping to screen the parking area from
view. A supplemental landscape plan will include at least the
following elements, which we a~e going to be requiring:
horizontal and vertical stringing through a combination of
evergreen shrubs and trees.
With all this in mind it be RESOLVWn that the Planning
Board approve the site plan for this psrcel subject dated March
23, 1988 for Young's Marina subject to the following conditions:
Final certificate of occupancy will not be granted till the
following have been met:
the drainage system has been detez~tined to be
working correctly, that is during construction
should a conflict arise between a location of a
existing sanitary leaching basins and proposed
drainage in drainage area number two, the
drainage system must be modified in accordance
with the Town Engineer's rec~L.z~ndations, as
approved by the Planning Board~
A supplemental lamd~cape~.planhas been s~b~%tted,
which shows a double stagger row of the Hetz
junipers, planted four foot on center and a
series of clustered red cedars between four and
six foot in height within the ~uniper bearder.
The plantings are to be placed between the
parking area and the service waters of the mar4n~
and the bay. The drainage system shall lie
between the bumper logs of the parking area and
these plantings.
I would like to move that.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made sna seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Ortowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Gristina Winery- Board to start the coordination
process to determine lead agmncy and environmental significance.
This parcel is on the Main Road at Cutchogue.-SCTM
%1000-109-1-13.
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Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Mullen: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questionm on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mutlen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Thompson's Emporium- Board to reco~Lm.end the
issuance of a certificate of occupancy by the Building
Department subject to a one year review by the Planning Board.
SCTM #1000-63-3-8.
Mr. Mullen: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Sandford Frieman- In Cutchogue. I will entertain
a motion to take lead agency, and do an uncoordinated review.
Mr. Mullen: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All ~hnse in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Do you have any problems with
this Dick?
Mr. Ward: No.
Mr. Orlowski: It is O.K. to send over.
Mr. Ward: I moved we send ever for certification, to the
Building Department.
Mr. Orlowski: Do you certify it without Zoning Board approval,
Victor?
Planning Board 13 September 12, 1988
Mr. Lessard: No.
Mr. Ward: I'll withdraw the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: You can make a motion to send it subject to
approval of a special exception. That is all that it is over
there for.
Mr. Ward: O.K. Subject to the Special exception.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? Ail those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latb~m, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Discussions: Amendment to Chapter A106
(Subdivision of L~nd)- Bosrd to set Monday, October 3, 1988 at
7:45 p.m. for a public hearing on the question of an amendment
to Chapter A106. This amendment deals with the Planning Board's
ability to waive major road specs and s~hstitue alternatiVe road
specs, in major subdivision~ where the number of lots are four
or less, which is a minor.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latbam, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: A Local Law in Relation to Zoning (v.~d
Dedication)- Board to make a reco~ndation to the Town Board
on this Local Law. This is to allow the Town to except the
ded4cation of the open sp~ce in cluster S~h~visions.
Mr. Ward: Mr. Chair,s,an, I feel that we should recommend approval
of this. I think it is not the intent that every cluster
subdivision would be property that would go to the Town, but in
s~ cases where potentiallywell sites are needed, and other
public facilities, it could be taken and used for so~ of these
purposes. I th~nk it would provide some fl~w4hility in thm
present clustering provisions that we have. Therefore, I move
that we reco~m~end that it be adopted.
Mr. Latham: Where is the law, is it written.
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Fir. Orlowski: Yes, you have a copy of it.
Mr. Mullen: I ~d not knnw it was going to be on tonight, t have
not had an opportunity to ~eview it. I would like to put it off,
also a liability exposure ~ would like to look into.
Mr. Ward: O.K. I will withdraw my motion. So we will put it off
till the 3rd?
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. We will put it on hold.
Mr. Orlowski: Daniel Jacoby- Board to discuss this application
with the applicant. This parcel is on 10.5790 acres located at
Mattituck.
Mr. Jacoby: The land in question, was bought seventeen years
ago. It was a boys camp that needed zepair. Nine ~11 buildings
tumbled down, windows, t~i~ets were thrown around. We slowly
cleaned it up and kept the small house, which was the office. We
fixed it up and that is wheze we live.
A little bit about my wife and myself, because it ham a
~e~ing on..t~.'s. As ~ast p~Dsident of the Lald Lyman Langdon
aumuDon soclety. It is pr~t~_~ly the largest one on Long Island.
I have been an organic gardmn~g enthusiast for the p~t forty
years and a m=~ber of the Tomato Genetic Society for thirty five
years. I experiment with them.
We kept the 11 acres wild, no lawns no chemical
fertilizers. We have a huge organic garden which I take care of
myself.
The meadow is ~hout five acres, wood~ are the rest. The
meadow is very beautiful. I have photos here, which I would like
to give you. Visitors come and look at the meadow. They can't
believe that it e×dsts in Mattituck.
Our house is very tiny, real tiny. We thought some years
ago that we would like to build a house, we never did it. We
have three children, many grandm~ldrmn. We want to build a
house that could acco~,odate them.
To put a highway thru the meadow, which the Planning Board
is re~esting, it would be sacrilege. Rea]ly if you see the
photo, it would spoil ~he entire area.
What exists now: We have a hard road around the perimeter.
I have photos here. We have an existing ro~a a contin,,ation o~
Sound Avenue to contin~ on the property.
We also have an agreement on file with your office with
Peconic Hemes, Mr. Horton, that they wilt build a road from
their new road to our present house. The road Peconic is
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building, we are a prisoner of apparently, because you want us
to continue it.
The question, tha~ I ask is, how can we build a house for
ourselves, SOON, on the property without a road in the c~nter.
I want to give a picture and other things. A picture of the
meadow. Here are the existing roads and here is the contract
that they will build & road from ~hi~, from his road.
Mr. Orlowski: The question of the Board is, if you are dividing
this into four lots, how are you going to have access to any of
these lots without a road.
Mr. Jacoby: We have a road around the perimeter.
Mr. Orlowski: But you handed in a survey that shows a proposed
road going through ~h~ middle and cul-de-sac's with four lots.
Mr. Jacoby: That is ~cause the Planning Board insists on it. I
got a letter saying I have to continue Horton's fifty foot road.
Mr. Orlowski: I don't see a=ny other way to access your lots. You
want to make four building lots down there.
Mr. Ward: He could do the original proposal. A cul-de-sac with
flag lots.
Mr. Jacoby: It would go right through the meadow, It would look
like a highway.
~kr. Latham: I thi~k you mis~nd~rstoodMr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: In other word~ the original proposal was the
cul-de-sac at the end of the forth. Then from the there, from
the cul-de-sac you ta~ off with two flag lots.
Mr. Orlowski: This proposal here. (Map spread out).
Mr. Ward: Since we are not extending through the property that
is probably the best way to go.
Mr. Orlowski: This was the original map. This had two flag lots
and these two lots. You have to put a cul-de-sac here.
Mr. Jacoby: Right ~h~re. That is an improvement.
Mr. Orlowski: I would say.
Mr. Jacoby: Then we would not have to do all this mess?
Mr. Orlowski: Is that what the Board w~nts.
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Mr. Ward: Right. We want cul-de-sac's, we are not continuing the
roads.
Mr. Jacoby: Fine. Good. So there wont be a road through this
beautiful meadow?
Mr. Orlowski: No.
Mr. Ward: I don't think you are going to be able to develope it
with this kind of a thing.
Mr. Jacoby: So you will authorize this.
Mr. Orlowski: Right. You can make those changes and get those
maps to us.
Mr. Jacoby: New Map.
Mr. Orlowski: Or if you have a bunch of these left. We only have
one.
Mr. Jacoby: How will I know what to tell him.
Mr. Orlowski: Take this one with you. We will want a covenant of
no further subdivision.
Mr. Jacoby: Tb~nk you so much.
Mr. Orlowski: Next we have Eli3ah's Lane Estatest Sec. 2 & 3-
Board to refer this subdivision to the Town Board for a
determination on the amount of money to be deposited with the
Town in lieu of land for park and playgro~n4.
SCTM ~1000-108-4-7.2.
Mr. Mullen: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion mad~ ~nd secondacl. Any questio~ on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Harbo~r Lights~ Sec. 4- Board to make a
recommendation to the Town Board on ~he Letter of Credit.
Mr. Mutlen: There are things on the ag~naa that we have not had
an opportunity to review. I think it is wrong. We started on
ThurSday with seventeen items. Tonight we have twenty-seven. I
don't mind a few, but I will not go fourth any longer with this
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kind of operation. I can not do what I think is wrong. This is a
typical example and there are a few others that I will point out
to you later.
~Tr. Orlowski: O.K.
Mr. Latham: Lets hold that one over till we can talk about it.
Mr. Orlowski: It is just an extension of a lette~ of credit.
Mr. Lath~m: An existing letter of credit.
Mr. Orlowski: It is a $35,000.00 Letter of Credit for one year,
which we usually throw on when we find.
Mr. Mullen: I still refrain from voting.
Mr. Orlowski: We just got the thing today. We will hold it over.
Mr. Ward: I will withdraw my vote.
Mr. Orlowski: I have nothing left on my agenda. Any questions
from the Board?
Board's Reply: No Questions.
Mr. Orlowski: I will entertain a motion to adjourn.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Seconded.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion m~de ~nd seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Vote o~ the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward.
Mr. orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Meeting ad_~o~rned at R:15
RECEIVED AND FILED BY
THE SOUTHOLD TOWN CLERK
Town Cle~:k, Town of South. old
~ENNETT O~LOW~', ~- ,
Respectfully submitted,
~Tho~ ~r~e~ee~
~outhold Town Planning Board