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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-08/04/1988-STown Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 1179 Southold. New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1938 PLANNING BOARD OFFICE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD PLANNING BOARD MINUTES AUGUST 4, 1988 The Southold Town Pianning Board held a special meeting on Thursday, August 4t 1989 at 3 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road~ Southold. PRESENT WERE: Bennett Orlowski,Jr~, Chairm~u Member William Mullen Member G. Ritchie Latham Town Planner Valerie Scopaz Plannez Melissa Spiro Victor Lessazd Secretary Jill Thorp ~sent: Kenneth Edwards Richard Ward Mr~ Orlowski: I would like to call this meeting to order. First order of business is P~padopoulas authorize the Chairman to endorse the of this major subdivision, map dated June 17, 1987. SCTM Mr. Mullen: So moved.. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: ~Qtion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Ortowski, Mutien, Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (2 maps signed by~ Chairman). Planning Board Page 2 August 4, 1988 Mr. Orlowski: Chardonna¥ Woods- Board to set Monday, August 15, 1988, at 7:30 p.m. for a public hearing on the question of preliminary approval for this major subdivision. SCTM 31000-51-3-3. Mr. Latham: So moved. Mr. Mullen: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, La~am. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Elijah's Lane Estates, Section 3- Board to set Monday, at 7:30 p.m. for a public hearing on the question of preliminary approval on this major subdivision. SCTM #1000-108-4-p/o 7. Mr. Mullen: So moved. Mr. Latham: Seconded. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? Ail those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlo~ski, Mullen, Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Next we have Cliffside/Tidemark- Board to review the supplemental Draft Environmental Impact Statement. SCTM $1000-45-1-1. Valerie has reviewed and there have been some questions and comments. There are a few specific items mention by the Zoning Board, comments that they would like answered. They are lead agency. I think we should wait and accept the addendu~ upon receipt of this specific in~oimation that the ZBA is waiting fo~. Mr. Raynor: Mr. Chairman? Mr. Orlowski: Yes sir. Mr. Raynor: The ZBA has asked us to withhold proceeding until such time that the Planning Board has ~inishe~ with it. We have yet to go over to the Zoning Board Appeals until this Board has accepted the Environmental Impact Statement as complete. I can't understand why the ZBA is asking questions when we have not even had the opportunity to get over in their jurisdiCtion. Ms. Scopaz: Mr. Chairman, can I answer that question? Planning Board Page 3 Augus% 4, 1988 Mr. Orlowski: Yes. Ms. Scopaz: Apparently, under the SEQRA review, the Zoning Board is a coordinating agency with the Planning Board. They have to by law do the environmental review at tP~s time, along with the Planning Board. Instead of what they customarily do, which would be during their review. They have indicated that, in their opinion, the information that was supplied lacks some specific infozmation that they have out lined, that they would like to receive. If the information is not received now, they are going to ask for it do%~ the road anyway. My recommendation simply is that they are going to ask for the information anyway, we might as well review it once instead of proceeding with our review and then having tha applicant go through the review again before the Board of Appeals. They have already indicated at this time that they have reviewed it and they do have s~me concerns that they feel should be addressed at this stage rather then later. Mr. Raynor: They have already given us a series of input, that we have addressed. Ms. Scopaz: It is part of their Environmental Review. It is not part of their specific review. It is part of the SEQRA review. Mr. Raynor: This was part of the SEQRA review. Specifically concerning traffic. We have a memo from them, which has been addressed in the supplement. I have not had the opportunity to review the information that we had before you. Obviously, because this is the first time this is being brought up. The only thing I ask is that I just want to make sure that this pertains to the SEQRA process. Not semeth%ng that we should be addressing in the special exception. We have been sidecared here for months trying to get this out. I thank you for your consideration and hope that those items that they are addressing pertain to SEQRA an~ not the special exception. They have told us not to proceed with them until we finish here. Mr. Orlowski: I believe it is related to SEQRA, some of these questions. The traffic is their biggestprobtem and that is addressed in SEQRA. Do you have any other co~lents, Valerie? Ms. Scopaz: No. I only have one question which pertains to the initial request that has been asked of ~bem, which was that they were concerned about the traffic patterns in the area. They would be affected by the intersection of the driveway of County Route 48, also the adjoining intersection of Chapel Lane They indicated in their document that unsafe conditions did exist at the intersection of Chapel Lane and County Route 48. They went on to state why it was unsafe. Part of it had to do with sight line. They did not give any details. They said simply that these conditions that existed at the intersection of Chapel Lane would not exist at the proposed driveway intersection an8 ~h~t it was not anticipated that the construction of Cliffside would impact on the safety of Chapel Lane, but they did not give supporting Planning Board Page 4 August 4, 1988 documentation. My question was, for instance, what are the sight lines of Chapel Lane? Are they great, the same or less then the sight line at the proposed driveway? They indicated that they are willing to put in a right hand turn exit out of the project which removes one of the objections that had been raised. They did not take the step further if everybody makes a right hand turn and some of the people that are leaving wish to go east to the ferry at Greenport or Orient. Where do they make that left hand turn? If you have to turn right out of the project, at some point on County Road 48 you have to make a left. The logical place to make the left is Chapel Lane. The concern is will you have a build up of cars sitting on the road waiting to make a left hand turn? That just was not addressed there. In other words, putting in ~the right turn only transfers the problems possibly somewhere else. I think it would have been good if they just said o.k. what this means is that on Chapel Lane, some people will turn south or make a U turn at the intersection in an attempt to go east. That was my only concern there. The zoning Board had some other questions which they outlined with quite some detail. Mr. Orlowski: Have you answered the con~ents from the ZBA yet? Mr. Raynor: We have not been given them. The only status I can get from the ZBA is when you finish with the planning Board come over for your special exception. We were given one review which we answered in the supplement. We mitigated the circumstance on the basis of creating a right hand egress frem.the project. That was there preliminar~ criticism of the project itself. We felt that the supplement submitted to the Board more then mitigated the original objection noted by the ZBA. Ms. Scopaz: If you wish, the ZBA s letter is in the file if you want to look at it. Mr. Raynor: I was just wondering if I could expedite this by setting up an appointment. I don't want to take the Board's time. Mr. Orlowski: Alright. It appears to be a lack of conm~unication between us and the Zoning Board. We feel that it is holding up SEQRAbecause of the co~Lents they want addressed. We don't want to accept it as complete if their comments in the SEQRAprocess are not being answered. Mr. Ra!rnor: I think it is up to you whether or not there should be a second round of questioning as it pertains to SEQRA. Ms. Scopaz: O.K. We have a letter from the Zoning Board of Appeals. Do you want me to read it. Mr. Orlowski: Yes. Ms. Scopaz: Dated July 15, 1988. Planning Board Page 5 _ August 4, 1988 In reviewing the Addendum to Draft Environmental Impac~ Statement prepared by Henderson and Bodwell, Consulting Engineers, dated June 1988, it is the position of this Board that same not be accepted due to deficiencies in the following areas: TRAFFIC (Pp. 2-5 inclusive~: A. Written evaluations and original official reports of current periods should be requested to confirm accuracies or inaccuracies of information furnished (i.e. the Suffolk County Department of Public Works, N.Y.S. Department of Transportation and/or Transporta- tion Research Board, Southold Town Police Department, etc.) particularly due to the lack of supporting traffic reports by these agencies. B. An assessment should be made on poor-weather traffic conditions and the degrees of safety and hazard. It appears that the statements furnished are based solely on good weather conditions and dry roads. No information was furnished as to the accidents within 1000 feet of the site along C.R. 48. {Only Chapel Lane accident information was furnished.} D. Accident reports should be furnished for a five-year period or more {instead of a 12-month period}. Ee Information should be furnished based upon current year (or within the prior year if current year is not avail- able) {instead of 1985}, together with supporting documentation from the agencies contacted (as referenced in the DEIS Addendum). Evaluation and assessment as to effects of Project ~5145 "Improvements to Middle Road, CR 48" for.construction and resurfacing to a uniform pavement width of 46 feet (which is planned for approximately five miles and extending along the front of this property. II. III. C6NSTRUCTION STAGING SCHEDULE (Pp. 10-11) A. Additional erosion control measures referenced are not described in detail. DRAINAGE AND SITE CHANGES IN GENERAL No information has been furnished as to the methods of erosion control to be taken along and near the bluff areas. An evaluation and assessment is recommended by the Suffolk County Soil and Water Conservation District, Riverhead, New York, following receipt of the applicant's proposed erosion-control plan. Be Plans depicting "before grade change" elevations as exist, to supplement "after grade change" elevations, including visual trees and vegetation on site to remain and to be removed. Planning Board Page 6 August 4, 1988 I gather from that they are asking for before and after. Mr. Orlowski: It appears to be quite a few questions there. Have you received that? Mr, Raynor: No. I can not speak for the engineering aspect of it. I am not a traffic expert. Certainly I request that if we would consider, as one of the aspects of SEQRA, if whether the County is going to asphalt Horton's Lane to the Village of Greenport I think it is a little outside the germain of what we are talking about. Secondly I think the Planning Board in its site plan has already stipulated there will be no before or after in regard to the bluff. Mr. Orlowski: The only problem we have is to accept this with all of these co~m,ents sti!lhanging out by the Zoning Board. This was received by us the 20th of July. I will give you a copy of this. I don't see where this Board can proceed with all these questions. Mr. Raynor: If this Board wants it addressed, we will try to address it. Mr. Orlowski: We will give you a copy of all the coLm~ents that we have here. Mr. Orlowski: Angel Shores- Board to review the Draft Environmental Impact Statement. SCT~ $t000-88-6-1,4,5. We are waiting for co~m.ents from David Emilita. He is a little behind. He will be ready for us on the 15th and we will be ready on the 15th. Time is up on Au~dst the 12th. I would like to get a motion to extend the time for three days. Is that O.K. with the applicant. Until the 15th. We will have the comments and it will be reviewed by then. Can we get a letter from you for the record. Agent to the Applicant- Yes. Mr. Orlowski: I will entertain that motion. Mr. Mullen: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made ar~ seconded. Anyquestions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Mullen, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Planning Board Page 7 August 4, 1988 Mr. Orlowski: Amendment to Town Code- Chapter Al06 (Subdivision of Land)- Board to start the coordination process to determine Lead Agency and Environmental Significance. Section A106-22 is hereby amended by adding a new subsection G. to read as follows: Ail final plat which receive approval must be filed by the applicant in the office of the County Clerk in accordance with A106-26. This is something that our Town Attorney thinks is a very good idea and believes that we should proceed with it. We will start the coordination process to determine lead agenc~ and environmental significance. I will entertain that motion. Mr. Mullen: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Ortowski: Next we hav~ A Local Law in Relation to Zoning- Board to make a recommendation to the Town Board on this amendment pertaining to fences. There has been a problem with the definition in the Building department. Mr. Lessard is this going to straighten things out? Mr. Lessard: I hope so. Mr. Orlowski: Make a reco~,endation to the Town Board that this be adopted. Mr. Mullen: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Vote of the Board; Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Barbara Ku3awski- Board to discuss the layout of the road. Which lots do you own? Ms. Kujawski: I own two and three. Planning Board Page 8 August 4, 1988 Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Will you have a problem if we adjust over here to connect these two subdivisions? Ms. Kujawski: I have no problem if you give me something. If you are going to make me part of a major subdivision, let me become part of the major subdivision and split them. I would have two more lots. That way I can give my son his own lot and I will keep a lot. Instead we were going to build a two family house. For peace in the family it might be better to have two lots. Mr. Orlowski: I don't think the Board will have a problem with that since I would like to see the connection in here for ingress and egress. We are going to have to touch base with the other applicants to make sure that they will go in and put this road in. I am sure you don't want to foot the expense on any of this. But you are asking for two lots so you will have to come in and re-subdivide. Does the Board have any questions? Reply of the Board; No comments. Mr. Orlowski: Valerie? Ms. Scopaz: We will have to get in touch with the other applicants. We have been told that they are up in the air at the moment. That don't seem to be proceeding with the application. Mr. Orlowski: They are going to have to show us a way in and out of here. I think for life and safety we would like to see that connection. Ms. Kujawski: Four years. Mr. Orlowski: How are you making out there. Ms. Kujawski: I am in supreme court being sued for trespassing. Mr. Orlowski: Every day you drive over the property? Ms. Kujawski: Yes. In the mean time the fire department is down there all the time putting out brush fires from the kids hanging out. The neigP~orhood wants to see some building going on back there because they don't want to see their houses burn down, That is all dry. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Like I said we don't have a problem with that. We will work with the other applicants and see if we can come up with an equitable deal. Ms. Kujawski: That would be fine with me, if you want to give that to me. That would work out better for everybody. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Ms. Kujawski: O.K. Thank you. Planning Board Page 9 August 4, 1988 Mr. Orlowski: O.K. I have no further things on m~ agenda. No questions from anybody else? All those in favor to adjourn. Mr. Mullen: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Meeting was adjourned at 3:20 p.m. Respectfully submitted, ~ill M. Thorp, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board Bennett' brlowski,Jr. Chair~