HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-09/11/1989T~vn Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York
11971
SCOTt L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
MINUTES
SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Present were:
Bennett Orlowski Jr., Chairman
Member G. Ritchie Latham
Member Richard Ward
Member Kenneth Edwards
Planner Melissa Spiro
Town Planner Valerie Scopaz
Jane Rousseau, Temporary Secretary
Mr. Orlowski: Good evening, I would like to call this meeting
to order. First order of Business at 7:30 is a public hearing
on final maps dated April 27, 1989. This major subdivision
called Wild Oats. This major subdivision is on 14.734 acres
located at Peconic. SCTM $1000-86=4-6.
Mr. Orlowski: We have proof of publication in the Long Island
Traveler Watchman and also the Suffolk Times. At this time
everything is in order for a final hearing. I'll ask if there
are any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none~ are there
endorsements of this subdivision?
Mr. Raynor: Representing Wild Oats subdivision. This final is
now filed with the engineering requirements as requested by this
board. We received preliminary approval from your beard in
April 1989. The maps are in compliance with section A106. We
received an acceptance from Suffolk County Health Services with
regard to their testing and everything.at this point is in order
and we would respectfully request approval of this major
subdivision. Any questions we would be happy to answer at this
time.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K., any other endorsements of this
subdivision?
Hearing none, any questions on this subdivision?
Board: No questions.
PLANNING BOARD 2 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Orlowski: No further questions. The only question I have
is we don't have a bond estimate yet or the Suffolk COunty
Planning Commissions review or the park and playground appraisal
or the Homeowners Association. Has that been filed yet?
Mr. Henry Raynor: The Homeowners Association has been filed yes
and was faxed to your office last week and we're waiting for the
appraisal to the park and playground area..
Mr. Orlowski: We have the covenants and restrictions but not
the homeowners association.
Mr. Raynor: I believe if you review the covenants and
restrictions you'll find the homeowners association. It was
faxed in from Mr. Olsen's office.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K.. What I will do is entertain a motion to
hold this hearing open until we get all of that so we can
proceed-to final approval.
Mr. Raynor: Do you have any specifics?
Mr. Orlowski: Just what I just told you.
Mr. Raynor: There are several variations of the homeowners
association. Several of which apply only to the Town Attorney
and the Town Attorney and the Town Board accepting the
homeowners association without filing a covenants and
restrictions and a homeowners association.
Ms. Scopaz: I think the Town Board has to make a determination
as to whether they go along with that. If it is something
different from the code they have to go to the Town Board for
their approval.
Mr. Raynor: That is one of the options available to the
client. It is up to the board to determine what option to
pursue.
Mr. Orlowski: I don't know anything about the Town Attorney
reviewing these. We just got these faxed to us Friday night or
late Friday afternoon so if he did review them there is nothing
in the file here.
Mr. Raynor: It is in the format prior Town Attorney has
approved. This is the same format that has been used in at
least a half dozen subdivisions for the Town. I don't think the
Town Attorney has had a chance to review them. That is why we
sent them into this board for his determination.
Mr. Orlowski: I don't see any problem but I think we should
hold the hearing open until these items are addressed.
PLANNING BOARD 3 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Raynor: Please send me in writing the specifics as to what
you are requesting~
Mr. Orlowski: Yes.
Mr. Orlowski: I'll entertain a motion.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Laths]n, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
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Mr. Orlowski: North Road Associates - Board to keep the
public hearing open from February 6, 1989. This minor
subdivision is on 16.886 acres located at Orient. SCTM
~1000-18-4-1.
Mr. Latham: I move we leave it open.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Board to set Monday, October 16, 1989 at 7:30
p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold as the time
and place for the next regular Planning Board meeting.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, ~Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
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PLANNING BOARD 4 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Orlowski: Board to approve the minutes of the regular
meetings of August 14, 1989 and October 31, 1988.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.
motion? Ail those in favor?
Any questions on the
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: RHR Realty - Board to review the final maps
dated July 20, 1989. This minor subdivision is on 12.6351 acres
located at Southold. SCTM ~1000-59-3-16.1.
Mr. Orlowski: Conditional final approval was granted on July
25th 1988. All conditions have been met. Everything is in
order to sign. I would entertain that motion unless someone has
a question.
Mr. Ward: We will endorse the map dated July 20, 1989.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (Chairman signed maps)
Mr. Orlowski: Chardonna¥ Woods - Board to review the final
maps dated September 6, 1989. This major subdivision is on
44.376 acres located at Southold. SCTM ~1000-51-2-2.
Mr. Orlowski: What is the pleasure of the board.
Mr. Latham: Mr. Chairman I would like to offer final approval
o~ the resolution on Chardonnay Woods.
WHEREAS, Neil Rego, is the owner of the property known as
Chardonnay Woods located on Soundview Avenue at Southold;
and
WHEREAS, a formal application for the approval of this
subdivision was submitted; and
PLANNING BOARD 5 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board pursuant to the
State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617
Title 6NYCRR declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negative
Declaration on June 6, 1988, and
WHEREAS, a final public hearing was held on said
subdivision application at the Town Hall, Southold, N.Y. on July
10, 1989 at 7:45 p.m.' and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision
Regulations of the Town of Southold have been met; and
be it therefore,
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board approve and
authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated
September 6, 1989, subject to fulfillmen~ of the followinq
conditions within six (6) months of the date of this resolution:
1. A draft of the Homeowners Association must be submitted
for review by the Town Attorney. The approved document must be
filed prior to endorsement of the map by the Chairman.
2. The posting of a bond, Letter of Credit or the
equivalent for the amount of $39,305.00. Payment must be
submitted and accepted by the Town Board prior to endorsement of
the map by the Chairman.
3. Payment of the inspection fee for the amount of
$1,965.00 (6% of the revised bond). Payment must be submitted
prior-to endorsement of the map by the Chairman.
4. Submission of the Draft Declaration of Covenants and
Restrictions must be submitted for review by the Town Attorney.
The approved document must be filed prior to endorsement of the
map by the Planning Board.
Mr. Ward: Is that inspections fee correct?
Ms. Spiro: He already paid an inspection fee. That is an
increase of the inspection fee.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? Ail those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
PLANNING BOARD 6 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Orlowski: Edward and Eileen Deutsch - Board to review
the final maps dated April 27, 1989. This minor subdivision is
on 10.651 acres located at Southold. SCTM #1000-54-3-p/o26.
Mr. Ward: I would like to read the resolution.
WHEREAS, Edward & Eileen Deutsch, are the owners of the
property known as Edward & Deutsch located on Light House Road
at Southold; and
WHEREAS, a formal application for the approval fo this
subdivision was submitted on July 9, 1987; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board pursuant to the
State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617
Titla 6NYCRR declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negative
Declaration on May 23, 1988; and
WHEREAS, a final public hearing was held on said
subdivision application at the Town Hall, Southold, NY on August
14, 1989 at 7:45 p.m.; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision Regulation
of the Town of Southold have been met, and
be it therefore,
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board approve and
authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated
September 6, 1989, subject to fulfillment of the following
conditions within six (6) months of the date of this resolution.
1. The posting of a Bond, Letter of Credit or the
equivalent for the amount of $100,080.00. Payment must be
submitted and accepted by the Town Board prior to endorsement of
the map by the Chairman.
2. Payment of the inspection fee for the amount of
$6,004.80 (6% of the revised bond). Payment must be submitted
prior to endorsement of the map by the Chairman.
Submission of a draft Declaration of covenants and
Restrictions stating that:
A. There is to be no further subdivision in perpetuity.
B. There is to be no access on Lighthouse Road for Lots #1
and 2.
The Draft Declaration of Covenants must be submitted
for review and approval by the Planning Board.
Approved Declarations must be filed with the County
Clerk prior to endorsement of the map by the Chairman.
PLANNING BOARD 7 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.
motion? All those in favor?
The submission of final maps stating:
That a Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions has
been filed and the Liber Page number.
The street name.
Any questions on the
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (Chairman signed maps)
Mr. Orlowski: Franklinville Homes - This is a public
hearing on the preliminary maps dated August 28, 1989.
ma]or subdivision is on 35.8 acres located at Laural.
SCTM ~1000-125-2-2.2.
this
Mr. Orlowski: We have proof of publication in the Suffolk
Times and the Long Island Traveler Watchman. At this time
everything is in order for a preliminary hearing. I'll ask if
there are any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, are
there any endorsements of this subdivision.
Pete Danowski: Endorsed.
Mr. Orlowski: Is there anyone out there neither pro nor con
but may have information pertaining to this subdivision that may
be of interest to the board? Hearing none, any questions from
the board?
Mr. Ward: We had asked Mr'. Young to identify on the survey the
building envelopes in sympathy with the gradinq plan and
drainage areas and low areas and things of thi~ sort. We did
receive one today and it doesn't seem as though he had done what
we asked for.
Mr. Danowski: If you recall the history we started out with a
plan and come and discussed it with the soil and conservation
people and we met with Sidney Bowne's office and we showed you a
grading plan which was quite specific and that's indicated to
you by the comments on this preliminary maps pointing the
grading. The grading will take place on the lot and locating
the building envelopes and to stay out of these areas and to
grade in certain areas in these lots.
Mr. Ward: I agree with everything you said but the plan doesn't
say that is what I am saying unless I have a different plan.
PLANNING BOARD 8 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Danowski: I think you do. I had these delivered on
Friday.
Mr. Ward: There is a grading plan on lot four. Building
envelope shows into the back area of the lot, shows that it
buildable and that isn't true. The grading plan is saying
that the building envelopes haven't been reflected on the
grading plan. A couple have been and some have not.
Mr. Danowski: I think that maybe I am incorrect but I like to
think I am correct in saying that the big concern in grading was
that certainly the ones that border around Mr. - .......
property, which is on the west side, in fact we looked at lot 13
and lot 12, specifically I remember a discussion taking place in
those areas. Those were the ones with the most concern. We
rerouted and discussed the road layout and we rerouted the road.
Mr. Ward: There is no question on the plotting or on the
grading in general. The question is one of it didn't get
followed through far enough with the grading. The building set
back lines or the building envelopes in all cases are not
reflective of the grading plan. I giving you a specific. On
lot four and I can give you another specific on lot nine. I'm
saying its closer than it was but there are still a few lots,
etc.
Mr. Danowski: We'll be more that happy to sit down with
anyone on this board or your engineers.
Mr. Ward: I think if Mr. Young looks at this grading thing he
will see that he missed a couple. It's not something that is
going to hold you up at this stage.
Mr. Orlowski: Any other comments?
Board: None.
Mr. Orlowski: Being no further comments, I'll entertain a
motion to close this hearing.
Mr. Edwards: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
PLANNING BOARD 9 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Orlowski: Hanock& Watts - Board to set Monday,
October 16, 1989 at 7:30 p.m. for a public hearing on the final
maps. This minor subdivision is on 12.622 acres located at
Cutchogue.
SCTM #1000-101-14~1.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on
the motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Dorothy Robertson - Board to set Monday,
October 16, 1989 at 7:45 p.m. for a public hearing on the final
maps dated July 18, 1989. This minor subdivision is on 2.508
acres located at Orient. SCTM ~1000-13-1-10.
Mr. Latham: Motion made.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? Ail those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski:
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Tim Gray - Board to set Monday, October 16,
1989 at 8:00 p.m. for a public hearing on the final maps dated
March 29, 1989. This minor Subdivision is on 9.1568 acres
located at Southold. SCTM ~1000-58-1.2.
Mr. Edwards: Motion made.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
PLANNING BOARD 10 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Preliminary:
Mr. Orlowski: Scott Kaufman - Board to review the granting
of an extension of sketch approval. This minor subdivision is
on 6.889 acres located at Cutchogue. SCTM #1000-97-3-20.
Mr. Orlowski: We can grant a final sixty day extension. The
applicant has received Health Department approval with
conditions and the conditions are being filed.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Francis Greenberger - Board to review the
granting of an extension of sketch approval. This minor
subdivision is on 15.581 acres located at Cutchogue.
SCTM #100-97-3-18.1.
Mr. Orlowski: A sixty day extension would be in order.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? Ail those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Orlowski, Mr. Ward.
Sketch/SEQRA Determinations:
Mr. Orlowski: Charles Simmons - Board to review granting an
extension of sketch approval from September 7, 1989 to March 7,
1990. This minor subdivision is on 57.7 acres located at
Mattituck. SCTM ~1000-112=1-8.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
PLANNING BOARD 11 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Eleanor Sievernich - Board to start th~
coordination process to determine lead agency and environmental
significance. Board to make a determination on the sketch map
dated June 19, 1989. This minor subdivision is on 3.7648 acres
located at Mattituck. SCTM #1000-112-8-5.
Mr. Edwards: Make a motion to start coordination.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
mouion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Everything in order for sketch approval.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Cornfields - Board to start the coordination
process to determine lead agency and environmental
significance. Board to make a determination on the sketch map
dated January 23, 1989. This major subdivision is on 20~9955
acres located at Southold. SCTM a1000-55-2-9.1.
Mr. Ortowski:
of the board.
Mr. Latham:
Mr. Ward:
In regards to lead agency what is the pleasure
I move we start lead agency.
Second.
PLANNING BOARD 12 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.
motion? Ail those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward,
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Sketch approval?
Mr. Edwards: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Paul Friedberg: set-off - Board to start the
Any questions on the
Mr. Orlowski.
on the
Mr. Orlowski:
coordination process to determine lead agency and environmental
significance. Board to make a determination on the sketch map
dated July 1989. This set-off is on 24.226 acres located at
Mattituck. SCTM # 1000-106-9-4.
Mr. Orlowski: Everything is in order to start coordination
process to determine lead agency.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr.
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motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward,
Orlowski: Give sketch approval on set-off?
Ward: So moved.
Latham: Second.
Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.
Mr. Orlowski,
Any questions on the
Mr. Edwards
PLANNING BOARD 13 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Major's Terrace - Board to start the
coordination process to determine lead agency and environmental
significance. Board to make a determination on the sketch map
dated July 7, 1989. This minor subdivision is on 13.87 acres
located at Orient. SCTM 91000-26-2-42.
Mr. Orlowski: Everything is in order to start the
coordination process.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
mouion?- All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Entertain a motion to grant sketch subject to C
& R's for no further subdivision in perpetuity and a
conservation easement around the pond.
Mr. Ward: So move.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Highpoint Section III Board to start the
coordination process uo determine lead agency and environmental
significance. Board to make a determination on the sketch map
dated May 31, 1989. This minor subdivision is on 2.9189 acres
located at East Marion. SCTM $1000-31-3-11.25.
Mr. Orlowski: Everything is in order to start the
coordination process.
Mr. Latham: So moved
Mr. Edwards: Second.
PLANNING BOARD 14 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Everything is in order to grant sketch approval.
Mr. Edwards: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
REPORTS AND BONDS
Mr. Orlowski: Adams Associates - Board to review the
Suffolk CountY Planning Commission report dated March 9, 1989.
Board to make a recommendation to the Town Board in regard to
the bond estimate dated August 29, 1989. This minor subdivision
is on 7.6797 acres located at Mattituck. SCTM
#1000-108-3-9,10,11.
Mr. Edwards: I would like to entertain a motion to override the
March 3, 1989 Suffolk County Planning Commission report which
disapproved the map. The reasons are that the Planning Board has
required a road built to Town Standards for the residential lots.
The cul-de-sac has been revised to have a diameter of 100' to
provide adequate turnaround area for ambulances and small fire
equipment vehicles.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: The bond estimate?
Mr. Edwards: I would like to entertain a motion to adopt the
bond estimate dated August 29, 1989 and recommend its approval
to the Town Board. The estimate is for the amount of $48,345.00
PLANNING BOARD 15 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
dollars with an inspection fee of $2,900.00 dollars. The board
has eliminated item ~12 (street lights) and added one firewell.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: William Baxter, Jr.- Lot Line Change - Board
to review the Suffolk County Planning Commission report dated
March 2, 1989. board to make a determination under the State
Environmental Quality Review Act. Board to set Monday, October
16, 1989 at 8:15 p.m. for public hearing on the final maps.
This lot line change is located at Mattituck.
SCTM ~1000-108-4-9,10,11.
Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman in regard to the Suffolk County Planning
Commission due to the fact that the map has been revised from 3
lots to 2 lots, since the submission to the Suffolk County
Planning Commission, (I'd like to make a)
MOTION to adopt the Suffolk County Planning Commission report
with the following changes:
1. should read "No lot line shall be change in any manner
at any future date unless authorized by the Town of Southold
Planning Board'
2. should be revised to read "there shall be no further
subdivision in perpetuity";
3. should remain the' same
4. and 5. should be eliminated.
6. Asks for short radius curve at corner of Main Road and
Elijah's Lane subject to confirmation of Ray Jacobs comments.
7., 8., and 9., should remain the same as written.
Ail conditions shall be filed as covenants and restrictions in
the office of the County Clerk prior to the granting of approval
of this Lot Line Change.
A draft Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions shouldbe
submitted to the Planning Board for review prior to fiting with
the County Clerk.
PLANNING BOARD 16 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
The final map must state that a Declaration of Covenants and
Restrictions has been filed, and the Liber and page number
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Environmental Significance?
Mr. Ward: I offer a resolution supporting it and an
environmental assessment has been submitted, reviewed and it was
determined that no significant adverse effects to the
environment were likely to occur should the project be
implemented as planned. The Planning Board has reviewed this
lot line change and finds that this proposal revises the lot
configuration to two regular shaped lots in conformance with the
Town Code.
Because there has been no correspondence received from he
Department of Health Services in the allotted time, it is
assumed that there are no comments or objections from that
agency.
Because there has been no correspondence received from the
New York State Department of Environmental Conservation in the
allotted time, it is assumed that there are no comments or
objections from that agency.
Further information can be obtained by contacting Jill
Thorp, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board, Main Road,
Southold. 765-1938.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Board to set Monday, October 16, 1989 at 8:15
p.m. for public hearing on the final maps on this lot line
change.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
.PLANNING BOARD 17 SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: I would like to entertain a motion for a final
hearing on October 16, 1989 at 8:30 p.m. on
Cedarfields/Mooresland.
Mr. Ward: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion?- All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
CHANGE OF ZONES: (None)
SITE PLANS:
Mr. Orlowski: Oyster Farms - Board to start the
Coordination process to determine lead agency and environmental
significance. This site plan is located on Shipyard Lane at
East Marion. SCTM #1000-38-1-17.
Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I move that we start the coordination
process.
Mr. Orlowski: We will need more copies of the plan on a one
to twenty scale.
Mr. Raynor: Everything will be forthcoming.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. there were sixteen {tems on that list.
Before we sent it out we would like to have it all on the site
plan.
Mr. Raynor: About two to three weeks.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded subject to those items.
Mr. Latham: Second.
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Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.
motion? Ail those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards,
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Any questions on the
Mr. Orlowski.
DISCUSSION AND OTHER:
Mr. Orlowski: Local Law in Relation to Zoning - (waiving
fees) Board to make a recommendation to the Town Board in regard
to fees.
Mr. Ward: I move that we adopt a resolution supporting the
waiving of fees.
Mr. Orlowski: This will be five districts.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Reydon Court - Board to make a recommendation
to the Town Board in regard to the Bond for this major
subdivision located at Southold. SCTM #1000-79-5-16.
Mr. Latham: I move that we recommend release of the bond.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion ? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards.
Any questions on the
Mr. Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski,
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Mr. Orlowski: OppQsed? So ordered.
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Mr. Orlowski: On Long Pond Section I - What is the pleasure
of the board on releasing that bond?
Mr. Ward: We move for release but a note should be given to the
applicant that the trees, the roo~ balls and wrappings must be
removed and there are several trees that are dead that will need
replanting in the fall.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.?
Mr. Orlowski: I have nothing further left on may agenda. Are
there any comments or questions? Any questions from he board?
Mr. Mullen, I get so used to him being here I just keep saying
that, we do miss him. Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Ms.
Scopaz? Being no further questions, I'll entertain a motion to
adjourn.
Southfork Asphalt on Homestead Acres - We were here abou~ two
months ago, I guess to get a C.O. for a house and I would like
to talk to the board about how I go about getting the thing
finally approved?
Mr. Latham: You were questioning the bank, I think.
Southfork Asphalt - We have one section of the road that in
the original map there was a road that was going out to County
Road 48 and that was back and forth and there was an area there
that has to get topsoil and seeding and we have a problem with
the bank and there is also a question of some ~treet trees. The
major problem with the bank is that there is no room to do
anything there where the curb starts if you are driving where
the curb starts there is a monument tha~ is probably five feet
off the curb line and five feet high and there is no room to
slope the shoulder.
Mr. Latham: About 6:00 p.m. I went out. There is vegetation on
this cut. The cut is just a rough cut made and it is not bad
except it is kind of hanging over and it should be just graded
off a little bit. Just smooth it off, I think.
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Mr. Ward: The surveyor could move the monument if it's in the
way.
Southfork - The problem is that the monument is on the top of
the bank and you are in somebody else's backyard. Someone else
doesn't want a road in there backyard.
Mr. Latham: It's not too bad, it's not the bank itself, it's
the top of the bank.
Southfork: The top of the bank is not ours, it is somebody
else's. When you go up a hundred feet there is some room to do
some cleaning but in the first ten feet or so there is really
not any property up there.
Mr. Latham: At least it's growing.
Southfork: If that gets raked out a little bit?
Mr. Latham: I think so, a little seeding and a little cleaning
up.
Southfork: There is a pile of dirt on the other side before
the curb line which at one time was a problem. Do you want that
removed?
Mr. Latham: It is right on the edge of a sump. Did the pile
come from your road. It should be removed.
Southfork: There is a little bit of a problem. You required
street trees. In the specs or the specs at the time there is no
spec for street trees. I have a cross section here when we did
the job which we picked up from the Town and it is dated July
30, 1985 which is somewhere where we started and it specifies
the shoulder is to be top soil and seeded.. It doesn't mention
anything about street trees.
Mr. Orlowski: Did you get the C.O. on that one house.
Southfork: Yes.
Mr. Orlowski: The bond estimate has street trees in it and
you went along with it and paid the inspection fee on it.
Southfork: No, unfortunately we're the contractors but
Riverside Homes may have done that.
Mr. Orlowski: Well then, you tell them to come back and put
the trees in.
Southfork: Is there a spec now with the trees. The reason I
ask if because to be able to do that I have to know where they
go and where they have to be and how far apart and everything
else.
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MS. Scopaz: In the Highway specification code they is a
specification for trees.
Southfork: Another item was street signs, they have been
ordered through the Highway Department I think back in June 22,
I think was the date and they have not arrived yet.
Mr. Edwards: If you can prove they are ordered that is not a
problem.
Southfork: By next month, I would like to present the
as-builts and have the thing inspected and have it completed
so that he can get wherever he has to get.
Mr. Oriowski: I'm sure it those items are just about done we
can go over it and if there is any question and if the signs are
ordered through the town we don't have a problem with that.
Southfork: He can get his approval?
Mr. Orlowski: Yes. As long as we know they are ordered and
going to be put up.
Mr. Latham: You mentioned that you are going to put some
topsoil and clear that out where the road was originally going
to go out to 48.
Southfork: That has to get seeded, because the time that we
did the other seeding there was still a question as to whether
there was going to be a road there or not.
Mr. Latham: I have forgotten, who gets that land, is that part
of the house lots?
Southfork: That whole section is the Town. I think there is
two lots to the west but where you first come in where the
problem with the bank is that is all the Town and there were no
lo~s on the southside before the curb, that was all Town
property.
Mr. Orlowski: Atright, everything else in the bond estimate
has to be complete.
Southfork: O.K. Thank you.
Jim Bitses: Are we finished with the agenda for tonight? Can
we add something on at this time please?
Mr. Orlowski: We'll give you five minuues.
Jim Bitses: I submitted a rough sketch to Valerie two weeks
ago for a sixteen acre parcel, 450 ft. of waterfront, 50 feet of
road front and eight or nine acres of woods. My proposal
involves possibly 50 to 100 permanent jobs in this Town with a
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payroll of about 2 million. I'm proposing a convention center,
motel, marina and boat yard on sixteen acres. Four of which
will remain vacant. The four acres along the road which are
wooded to remain vacant, to separate the road from the facility,
in other words you can't see the facility from the road. The
other piece would be centerpiece with the convention center that
would possibly seek between 200 ft. and 500 ft. and it would be
a ninety-six unit motel and a hundred slip marina, a boatyard
for indoor and outdoor storage with repairs and sales and things
of that sort. A fairly large size swimming pool which would be
covered and used in the summer and winter and one of the
traditions that we intend would be a fairly expensive
advertising budget to bring in business during the winter. The
whole thing would run around six to six and one-half million
which would be six to six and one-half million to local
merchants in this town because that is where we are going to get
our supplies and our labor. All and all it is a compatible type
of industry that will not deface the town in any way and it will
supply a very much needed facility at which we are at very short
supply in this town. Access to the water, boat access and
people access to the water. I laid out a sketch which I gave to
Valerie, we did it with symbols, it is just a rough idea of the
general layout of what this proposition would look like. I
would like to have some kind of an input by this board as to
whether there is even a china man's chance of this thing getting
off the ground. It would be a crime not to get it off the
ground because it would do the town a lot of good.
Mr. Orlowski: About that china man's chance, I think you are
about right. We just finished the Cove. There were a lot of
environmental problems that we had down there and I don't see
this project being any easier. You would have to stat with a
change of zone which I don't see forthcoming that easy.
Mr. Bitses:
board.
I am sure I would get support and help from this
Mr. Orlowski: Well, I don't think the area could handle it.
I think the road system down there would not surface and I don't
want to sit here with three hundred people at every meeting
complaining about that project.
Mr. Bitses: The would be staying an entire week-end, they
would be staying at the motel, they would be visiting various
areas of the town and spending money and then they would be on
there way come Sunday or Monday, whatever in the summer and
winter. Part of the convention center there would also be a
very fine restaurant and bar and along with the hundred foot
floating marina, there would also be a floating deck.
Mr. Latham: Do you have a minor subdivision, isn't there
something going on now.
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Mr. Bitses: I have a minor subdivision at this time but it is
has been hung up for the last two years which it should not have
been. There is apparently conflicting ideas as what to do with
my property. That is the way it goes.
Mr. Latham: Personally, I agree with our Chairman. I think our
marine zones are already laid out in the master plan the way
they should be.
Mr. Bitses: This town has no facilities at all except Reydon
Shores which are privately owned.
Mr. Orlowski: I don't think they want the facilities down
there and that is going to be part of the environmental review
and the environmental impact and if that ever went through I
would never believe it. You can proceed any way you want but I
don't personally feel that it would ever fly.
Mr. Bitses: Is there any reason why the four lot minor
subdivision has been held up for two years.
Mr. Orlowski: There are a few items that have to be addressed.
Mr. Bitses: The only item that has been addressed for the
last two years is covenant and restrictions. I supply covenants
and restrictions and they are turned down on some point. Then I
correct that point and then they are turned down on some other
point that was previously acceptable. Not only that but periods
of as much as six months pass between my application and the
refusal. Now, there is something lackinq in Denmark. Somebody
has contrary ideas as to what they want Go do with my property.
Mr. Ward: Under the covenants and restrictions, the best we can
do is that you are better to go one on one with the town
attorney.
Mr. Bitses: I did. I've done this over and over again. I
submit the covenants and restrictions to Valerie and it takes
three, four or five months to get to the Town Attorney and now
the things that he has accepted, he turns me down. The last
time I spoke to him he said alright, you come on in and sit down
and we'll cover this thing. What I'm suggesting that there are
no problems with the covenant and restrictions but somebody has
contrary ideas as to the use of this property. Sixteen acres
for four lots, that is pretty damn good. Nine acres of wooded
land there, that's pretty darn good.
Mr. Orlowski: We don't have a problem with it at all.
Mr. Bitses: I can't get past Valerie's office door, I can
never approach you gentlemen.
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Ms. Scopaz: Mr. Chairman, I would like to just bring to the
boards attention that Mr. Bitses still needs Health Department
approval before he can proceed with the final hearing.
Mr. Bitses: The Health Department says give us covenants and
restrictions that will cover the fact that there is one part per
million nitrates too high. The world scale is 45 to 50 parts
per million and in this county it must be 10 parts per million.
We're at 11 parts per million and I said sure and I pushed all
the covenants and restrictions that they suggested in their
wording and even that was turned down. What I'm suggesting is
that there is more here than meets the eye and that somebody is
trying to block the granting of a four lot subdivision. The
strange thing about it is I have a four lot subdivision there.
Four one acre lots and this application is merely to extend
those four one acre lots down to the water. In other words, I
could sell off four one acre lots along the highway right now
because it was granted in 1979 but I thought I would be doing
very well by this Town to extend them down to the water so that
each lot would have about two hundred feet of waterfront. That
is where I have run into this problem where I am being
obstructed. That is the only word I can use, and I should not
be obstructed.
Mr. Orlowski: I think that project is a lot more feasible
that the project that you are talking about and I'm sure you can
meet with Mr. Bitses and iron this out because it doesn't
appear to be a bit problem. It is just a little disagreement
between you and the Town Attorney.
Mr. Bitses: That is not where the problem is.
the back in the administration is the problem.
Somewhere in
Mr. Orlowski: Well it's not in this administration.
Mr. Bitses: I know it is not with you gentlemen.
Mr. Orlowski: I would suggest you sit down with Valerie and
the Town Attorney one more time and go over those couple of
items and iron it out and lets finish it up.
Mr. Bitses: I submitted the revised covenants and
restrictions about three or four months ago and they are just
sitting in Valerie's office. She has other things to do and she
has more important work to do.
Mr. Orlowski: Valerie can make an appointment with you and
the Town Attorney in the very near future. Coordinate that,
iron it out and let's get it over with.
Ms. Scopaz: The Town Attorney just returned the comments and
there is a draft letter which is being reviewed by the board and
it will go out to you. It outlines specific problems that the
Town Attorney has with the wording.
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Mr. Bitses: Everytime I say I will correct those problems I
do. The other problems then arise on the part that was
accepted. Now what do we do in that case. It's a routine.
Mr. Orlowski: I would suggest you follow it up just like I
told you and with 270 applications in the office it is not that
easy to keep up on everything so you are going to have to
follow-up yourself and get in touch with Valerie and the Town
Attorney and come to some sort of agreement right then.and there
and I don't see any big problems.
Mr. Bitses: I'll do exactly as you say.
Mr. Orlowski: Being no further questions, I'll entertain a
motion that we adjourn.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Ward: SeCond.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Ail those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Meeting adjourned at 9:00 p.m.
Bennett Orlowski, ChairmaJ
Respectfully submitted
Jane Rousseau '
Temporary Secretary