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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-01/23/1989Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 1179 Southold. New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1938 PLANNING BOARD OFFICE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD PLANNING BOARD MINUTES JANUARY 23, 1989 The Southold Town Planning Board held a regular meeting on Monday, January 23, 1989 at 7:30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold. PRESENT WERE: Bennett Orlowski~ Jr., Chairman Member William Mullen Member G. Ritchie Latham Member Richard Ward Town Planner Valerie Scopaz Planner Melissa Spiro Mr. Orlowski: Good evening, I would like to call this meeting to order. First order of business ~s The W. oods At~Cucchogu . This is a public hearing on the final maps dated as amended on September 19, 1988. This major subdivision is on 29.54 acres located at Cutchogue. Publication in Suffolk Times & Traveler Watchman. At this time everything is in order for a final hearing. I'll ask if there are any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, are there any endorsements? Hearing none is anyone Nei~h~ pro_nor~con-but haYe information pertaining-to-this subdivision that would be of interest to the board? Any questions from the board? Mr. Mullen, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Valerie? None. Being no further questions, I declare this hearing closed. Thank you~ Mr. Orlowski: Board to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of May 9th, 1988~ and January 9th, 1989. What's the pleasure of the board? Mr. Latham: So moved. Mr. Mullen: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Orlowski, Mullen, Latham, Ward. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Any questions on the PLANNING BOARD PAGE 2 JANUARY 23, 1989 Mr. Orlowski: The subdivision of FINAL of Sally & Anthony Pierra Board to set Monday, February 6, 1989 at 1:15 p.m. for public hearing on the final map dated as amended September 17, 1987. This minor subdivision is on 5.208 acres located at Southold. SCTM ~1000-40-1-20. Mr. Ward: Mr. Mullen: So moved. Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Mullen, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Ortowski: North Road Associates - Board to set Monday, February 6, 1989 at 1:30 p.m. for a public hearing on the final map dated as amended August 20, 1987. This minor subdivision is on 16.886 acres located in Orient. SCTM #1000-18-4-1. Mr. Latham: Mr. Mullen: Mr. Orlowski: So moved Second. Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? Ail those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Mullen Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Next is a sketch. Too Bee Realty - Board to grant a six month extension on sketch approval from January 25, 1989 to July 25, 1989. This minor subdivision is on 7.956 acres located at Southold. SCTM ~ 1000-50-6-5. Mr. Mullen: Mr. Latham: Mr. Orlowski: So moved. Second. Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? Ail those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Mullen, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. PLANNING BOARD PAGE 3 JANUARY 23, 1989 Mr. Orlowski: On SEQRA Determinations Marina Bay Club - Board to grant a sixty day extension, from February 2, 1989 to April 3, 1989 for the preparation of the Final Environmental Impact State- ment. Board to close the public comment period for Supplement Number Two of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement as of January 23, 1989. Mr. Mullen: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Mr. Ward: These are two separate ones. Mr. Orlowski: Do you want to do it as two separate ones? Mr. Ward: Yes. Mr. Orlowski: O.K., why don't we do that. Mr. Mullen was to close the comment period? Mr. Mullen: Yes sir. Your resolution Mr. Latham: I second it. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor. Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Mullen, Mr, Orlowski, Mr. Ward. Mr~Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Resolution to grant a sixty day extension for preparation of a Final Environmental Impact Statement. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Mullen: Second. Mr. Orlowski: February 2, 1989 to April 3, 1989. Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? those in favor. Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Mullen, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Ail PLANNING BOARD PAGE 4 JANUARY 23, 1989 Mr. Orlowski: Adams Associates - Board to make a determination under the State Environmental Quality Review Act. This minor subdivision is on 7.6797 acres located at Mattituck. SCTM #1000-113-12-10. Declaration. Mr. Latham: So moved. Mr. Mullen: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. the motion? All those in favor? Everything is in order for a Negative Any questions on Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Mullen, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Ortowski~ Cliffside/Tidemark - Board %o grant a thirty day extension, from January 28, 1989 to February 27, 1989, for David Emitita, Environmental Consultant, to prepare the Final Impact Statement for this site plan located at Greenport. SCTM ~1000-45-1-1. Mr. Mullen: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded, Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Mullen, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.~ Mr. Orlowski: William Baxter - Board to start the coordination process to determine Lead Agency and Environmental Significance. This Lot Line change is on 4.1617 located at Mattituck. SCTM ~1000-108-4-9,10,11. Resolution to start the coordination process. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Mullen: Second. PLANNING BOARD PAGE 5 JANUARY 23, 1989 Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All thos~ in favor? Ayes: Mr. Olowsk~, Mr. Latham, Mro Ward, Mr. Mullen Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr . Dan Ross: I would like to address the board on something in respect to this. Should I wait until the end of the meeting? Mr. Orlowski: No, go ahead. Mr. Ross: It's with respect to the Planning Board's requirement of a site plan in respect to a special exception that was granted by the Zoning Board of Appeals. We would request that the site plan be waived in this case. The work that is to be done under the special exception is all going to be indoors. It is assembling antique cars and ~here is going to be no changes to the outside, no changes at all to the building. Our first request would be that site plan approval be waived. There is an economic considera- tion, there is going to be a lease in affect. The landlord, as soon as we get this approval, will start working and there is a large amount of money a week that is in consideration. However, if the board feels that it doesn't wish to waive, I bring to the boards attention the lot line change application that is before this board, and it wouild seem that it would be a better approach to have the site plan submitted with respect to that application, rather than this one, and that way the board would still have its site plan review, and would allow the tenant to get going in what he wants to do. In his presentation before the Zoning Board of Appeals he explained that he would be the only employee. There would be no outside work except one truck coming in from time to time. It's not manufacturing cars in the sense that you think about in a General Motors plant. It's mostly put together. He lust gets it and puts the fenders on these no painting or anything. We would request that the site plan, the requirement of site plan on the special exception be waived and if the board so desires required on the lot line change. Mr. Orlowski: The only thing on this, have you been to the Building Department? Mr. Ross: We received a disapproval. Mr. Orlowski: And went to the Zoning Board? Mr. Ross: We have the Zoning Board's approval. We don't have it in writing yet. Mr. Ward: Did they give you conditions? Mr. Ross: It may be. I don't have the w~itten resolution. PLANNING BOARD PAGE 6 JANUARY 23, 1989 Mr. Orlowski: Did the Building Department on their denial also say you have to have site plan approval? Mr. Ross: Yes. We're not questioning that. Site plan approval with a special exception there is no doubt ~it be required. We would ask~that it be waived and I'm not sure if site plan approval is necessary with respect to lot line changes. We would be willing to submit it. I think from a planning view- point it would be better considered. Mr. Orlowski: I think the main one we would like to see right now is an~kas- built, what's existing right there. Mr. Ward: Identify the parking and how that relates to the coverage of the building. Mr. Ross: The actual parking is on the map that exists. Mr. Orlowski: We have nothing here to even say go ahead, we don't even know what it looks like. Mr. Ross: There is adequate parking, the lines aren't on the parking area but I just came from the site and its an extensive asphalt area. I believe in a letter which we indicated the calculations that would be, that I don't know how many spaces it was seven or fourteen. It would be a simple matter to put lines in the parking area. Its not a case where there will be many employees. The tenant who is going to be doing the work represented to the Zoning Board of Appeals that he was going to be the only employee. Mr. Latham: Is the parking lot in good condition? Mr. Ross: Its solid, it's 01d. Mr. Mullen: You won't be using the parking lot for your operational situation for your cars that you are going to be working on. Mr. Ward: There is no outside storage? Mr. Ross: No Mr. Ward: It would seem to me that you could file with us, showing the indication of the cars, you g&ve us a letter, don't believe we would be in a position to want to waive the site plan requirement but I think you"re talking about a very simplified plan at this point. It is primarily a parking relationship to the interior use. Ms. Scopaz: May I just make a suggestion. We have a procedure set up for requesting the board to waive site plans which have been out. The applicant has to submit a written letter to the board with an actual site plan or a written description why he feels he doesn't need the site plan Sox we have that information PLANNING BOARD PAGE 7 JANUARY 23, 1989 before you make the decision based on that. Mr. Ross: Again, I am not asking the board to waive the site plan, I'm just asking'them to consider it with respect to the lot line. Mr. Orlowski: Well we'll consider it but if you precede with a "as built" site plan we can probably speed things up for you by the next meeting. Mr. 0rlowski: Next order of business is Calvin Rasweiler - public hearing on the preliminary maps dated as amended April 21, 1988. This major subdivision is on 55.4896 acres located at Laurel. SCTM ~1000-129-1-1. After publication in the Suffolk Times and the Long Island Traveler Watchman at this time everthing is in order for the preliminary hearing. I'll ask if there are any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this subdivision? Is that it. Mr. Danowski: I would like to comment that we have met with the planning staff and we would be in the final road drainage plans be doing mountable curbs as opposed to grass swales and we re- cognize that the policy that currently exists,so we'll take care of that amendment. We'll also provide for emergency access on Railroad Avenue,which was one of the considerations,not improve emergency access on Railroad Avenue which was one of the con- siderations, not improve emergency path and I continue to pitch for some endorsement in the future that large lot open space areas with restricted easements on them because Mr. Rasweiler, with regard to two of the lots that are adjacent to the open space area would intend to keep those in ownership and not sell them and continue to use that open space area for agricultural and nursery stock. So the very same map can be obtained with those big open space area owned by the lot owners with regard to those two lots. With that said, hopefully that can be accomplished in the future. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Any other endorsements of this subdivision? Hearing none, anyone up here neither pro nor con but may have information pertaining to this subdivision that would be of interest to the board? Hearing none, any questions from the board? Mr. Multen, Mr. Latham, None. Mr. Ward, Just in a comment, Mr. Danowski, we are exploring an alternative. Valerie? No comment. No further comment I declare this hearing closed. Thank you for coming. Mr. Orlowski: Next we have Eileen & Edward Deutsch - Board to review the bond estimate datged October 13, 1988 and to make a recommendation to the Town Board regarding this bond estimate. This minor subdivision ~s on 10.651 acres located at Southold. SCTM ~1000-54-3-p/o26.. PLANNING BOARD PAGE 8 JANUARY 23, 1989 Recommended bond estimate of $100,080.00. Mr. Ward: So moved for approval from the Town Board. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Mullen~ Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: North Ridge Estates - Board to review the Suffolk County Planning Commission report dated November 18, 1988. Board to review the Engineer's report dated December 8, 1988. Board to make a determination under the State Environ- mental Review Act. This major subdivision is on 22.46 acres located at Orient. SCTM ~1000-18-2-34. There are some questions on this report, I think without reading the whole thing that we should sendi~.~e~ ~to our en~gi~e~r,~he~r-e~seems to be a discrepancy between~ th~ Planning 'commi~s~o~ engineer. We will send a copy of this o~er to the applicsnt, and some o£-these I believe we will override on the final. Mr. Ward: I think before we take any action we should get it resolved as to the reaction from the developer and the engineer. Mr. Mullen: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Mullen, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: On Sidney Bowne's report we'll send that over to the applicant but like I said since there is a discrepancy we'll proceed the way we are right now. I think at this time a resolution for a Negative Declaration ~s in order. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Mullen: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those ~n favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Mullen Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. PLANNING BOARD PAGE 9 JANUARY 23, 1989 Mr. Orlowski: The next order of business is Gatz and McDowell public hearing on the preliminary maps dated as amended June 1, 1988. This major subdivision is on 30.3565 acres located at Cutchogue. SCTM ~1000-95-4-7 & 14. Publication was in the Suffolk Times and also the Traveler Watchman. At this time everything ms in order for a preliminary hearing. Are there any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this subdivision? Peter Danowski: We'll change our drainage to comply with your recent policies and mountable curbs. We've read the report from Sidney Bowne and come in earlier and discussed it with him, we have no objection of doing it the way you want and the same thing with the large lot open space. With the policy changes we would rather make it a_ large lot. Mr. Orlowski: Any other endorsements of this subdivision? Hearing none, anyone out there neither pro nor con but may have information pertaining to this subdivision that would be of interest to the board? Any question from the board? Mr. Mullen? Mr. Latham? Mr. Ward? No questions. Ms. Scopaz: I would like to thank the applicant for being cooperative and helping align the road with the other ajoining subdivision. Mr. Orlowski: No further questions, I declare this hearing closed. Thank you for coming. Mr. Orlowski: Site plans -COx Lane Industrial Park Board to make a determination on the final maps dated as amended June 22, 1988. This site plan is located-on Cox Lane and County Road 48 at Cutchogue. SCTM ~1000-84-1-26. Everything is in order to approve. Mr. Mullen: I must refrain for a possible conflict of interest. Mr. Ward: Move for approval. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. I have a motion made and seconded. questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (Chairman signed maps). Any PLANNING BOARD PAGE 10 JANUARY 23, 1989 Mr. Orlowski: Peccnlc Trails - Board to discuss this application with the applicant. This major subdivision is on 97.1292 acres located at Peccnlc. SCTM ~1000-74-1-38. Unidentified person: It's 44.7 acres. Mr. Orlowski: What would you like to do? Dave Saland: Well I submitted a compromise plan and you know bearing in mind the whole issue about the water shed committee, we would have some open space to start clustering the lo'ts, trying to protect the woodland and then two other five acre lots towards the end here and then open space again, i brought my neighbors from the north end who are willing to testify to the fact, in a letter, that they like this plan and that they feel if you cluster all the lots to the north, that you're going to impact on their water table and cause salt water intrusion, and that they think for whatever reasons, they state that they can live with this. ks far as the developers go, we feel we are moving as far north as we can and that we tried to answer some of the complaints that Valerie has had and work with you as much as we could as far as the water shed area or the tentative water shed area. Mr. Ward: Isn't that identified by this? Mr. Saland: Except its a proposal that isn't going anywhere. Mr. Ward: Our policy has been to cluster north of that, because of the, mainly because of that as well as the keeping the impact off of Middle Road. We have been pretty consistent with every- body who comes Mr. Satand: Well if you want to write that up and that's the boards decision. Mr. Latham: This is no% open space its just two five acre lots. Mr. Saland: Correct. I would like a letter to that affect if you are going to keep to that overall policy that he keeps talking about. Whatever we can get, my partners are ready to strangle my neck as it is. I think they will take what ever they can get. I would like the letter stating the reasoning. Also, my neighbor put a letter on record as far as their complaints about forcing me to cluster and what I am doing to their water shed area and we'll take it from there. This is the compromise that everyone I hope could live with. Sophia Greenfield: I represent the voices and sentiments of four adjoining property owners in Cabots Woods, which is the minor subdivision directly north of this proposed subdivision. We have no business interest or involvement with the Peconlc Trail subdivision or the developers. This letter expresses our concerns and if you give me a moment, I will read it and hope- fully it will clarify our feeling. PLANNING BOARD PAGE 11 JANUARY 23, 1989 Dear Planning Board Members: We, the undersigned owners of four prope'r~ies adjacent to, and potentially affected by the proposed subdivision of the land directly to our south (S.C. Tax #1000-74-1-38), wish to express our concern over the design Df the subdivision, and to make the Planning Board aware of potential problems that are likely to arise should the major thrust of the development be pushed to the north end of the property. Of major concern to us is the potential drain on the supply of good, potable ~ater. The further south one goes on the property, the greater the supply of water. However, as you get nearer to Long Island Sound, the .aquifer g~ts thinner and thinner and the potential for salt water intrusion gets greater. This is not just theory. This past summer, on August 18th to be exact, on the waterfront parcel directly to the north, Sophia Greenfield inadvertently left a hose running overnight with the nozzle set on a misting position. The result: the next morning the water was brackish and completely undrinkable. It took three days, with no interim drawing of any water whatever, for the well to be drinkable again. Emil & Jenny Pupecki, caretakers for the parcels along the Sound immediate to the east of us report that for the last 20 years, those properties have had intermittent problems with salt water intrusion. It is our concern, that any radical increase in water demand near to the area where the aquifer has already shown itself to be fragile, will result in unpotable water for all. The further north development is pushed, the greater the chances of that happening. We therefore request that the Planning Board seriously consider the latest map proposed for the "Peconic Trails" subdivision, (dated September 1988) as the most acceptable design proposed. This proposal not only provides for 10 acres of unbroken meadow to act as a natural buffer and watershed on the north end, it also provides for an unbroken 8 acre scenic buffer off Route 48 as well, and clusters housing development to minimize negative environmental impact. And since th~ developer has indicated that he would consider covenanting the woodland against removal of trees, (except for construction purposes) it limits developmen~ of the woodland as well. Preserving this woodland provides for, as the East Hampton Town Board put it: "...stabilization and preservation of soil; maintenance of watershed areas; absorption of air pollution and production of oxyqen; establishment of natural barriers to noise and habitats for wildlife; and creation of °a desirable aesthetic quality which is a key factor in the ~own's existence as a rural resort community." We feel that this map provides the best compromise solution for the development of this parcel, and we urge the Planning Board to accept it. PLANNING BOARD PAGE 12 JANUARY 23, 1989 Mr. Orlowski: O.K.. Does the board have any other comments? Mr. Ward: We have a work session, maybe we can go over it. Mr. Preston: I am a builder in the Town of Brookhaven and one of the partners in Peconic Trails. I entered into this agreement with the other general partners to get the plans approved. I was at the August meeting that you had and I didn't say anything at that time because I felt that the board was acting in good faith. It was said by the board at that time that they were going to make a physical inspection of the property. My understanding is that this one inspection was just made recently, like four or five months ago, which disappoints me a little bit. Also, at that meeting nothing was mentioned about maintaining a certain previous status on this watershed area. I just hope you will consider our proposal. Thank you. Mr. Orlowski: Alright, there could be a water problem up there from what we understand now. Have you had any results from your water test? Mr. Preston: Yes, when I purchased the property I did five or six test wells and they were fine. In fact, I didn't have problems with any one of them. Mr. Ward: Do you have locations of them? Mr. Orlowski: They are on the map here. Four test wells right up this middle piece. Do you have that information? Mr. Preston: No, we don't think there was a request for any reason. We did four wells right in the middle and we anticipated the second would be those four wells in that area or five. Perhaps Mr. Ward is objecting to the fact that, as he points to this that everything would be north of it, it was my proposal that we could live with one or two less lots but it would be awful tight. Mr. Orlowski: How come you didn't make these five acre lots? Is there any reason for that? Mr. Preston: If you left the minor subdivision roads alone, perhaps I could talk to you about roads, we could knock it out of the box that way. Not only for myself but for all the developers. Oriqinally, I did a major in one section and then came back and di~ a minor in the second section, maybe we could compromise that way. All I know is my partners want to get off the dime. Mr. Orlowski: Lets take a look at the test results for the water and we will get back to you. PLANNING BOARD PAGE 13 JANUARY 23, 1989 Mr. Orlowski: Next we have Hiawatha's Path - Board to make a determination under the State Environmental Review Act. Everything is in order for a negative declaration at this point and time, this is affordable housing lots that the town is proposing. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor. Ayes: Mr. Mullen, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Now we'll open up the public hearing on the maps dated as amended on September 20, 1988. This minor subdivision on Town owned property is on .9298 acre located at Southold. SCTM 91000-78-3-p/o 51. I'll ask if there are any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, is there any endorsements of this subdivision? Any questions from the board? Mr. Mullen, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Ms. Scopaz. All answered none. Mr. Grlowski: No further questions, I declare this hearing closed. I would like to entertain a motion subject to health approval. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Mullen, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Being no further business to come before the board, on motion made by Mr. Latham, seconded by Mr. Mullen, and carried the meeting was adjourned at 8:30 p.m. ~B~q~ett ok'low~i, '~J~. ~ /' Chairman Respectfully submitted, Southold Planning Board