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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-12/03/1990PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS Bennett Orlowski, Jr., Chairman George Ritchie Latham, Jr. Richard G. Ward Mark S. McDonald Kenneth L. Edwards Telephone (516) 765-1938 PLANNING BOARD OFFICE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD $OUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD SCOTT L. HARRIS Supervisor Town Hall 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 1179 Southold, New York 11971 Fax (516) 765-1823 MINUTES DECEMBER 3, 1990 Present were: Bennett Orlowski Jr., Chairman G. Richie Latham Richard Ward Kenneth Edwards Mark McDonald Valerie Scopaz, Town Planner Melissa Spiro, Planner Holly Perrone Mr. Orlowski: Good evening, I would like to call this meeting to order. First order of business at 7:30 p.m. is the public hearing of the minor subdivision for William Molchan. This minor subdivision is for two lots on 5.144 acres located on the north side of Ruth Road opposite Sunset Drive in Mattituck. SCTM ~t000-106-1-3. We have proof of publication in the local papers and at this time everything is in order for a. final hearing. I'll ask if there are any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this subdivision? Mr. Garry Olsen: I'm the attorney for the applicant and have my offices on the Main Road in Cutchogue. Mr. Molchan who is present tonight for the hearing if you should have any . questions we are here to answer them. If not, I would recommend that this subdivision be approved. It is a five acre subdivision and one parcel has three acres and the other has two. We have Health Department approval and we've got the covenance recorded has per your request. It speaks ~for itself. Mr. Orlowski: Any other endorsements of this'subdiVision' Hearing none, is there anyone out there who is neither pro nor con but may have information pertaining to this subdivision that may be of interest to the board? Any questions from the board?. · PLANNING BOARD 2 DECEMBER 3, 1990 Board: No questions. Mr. Orlowski: Being there are no further questions, I will declare this hearing closed. Does the board have any pleasure on this? Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following metion. WMEREAS, William and Vera Molchan are the owners of the property known and designated as SCTM #1000-106-1-3, located at the north west corner of Sunset Drive and Ruth Road in Mattituck; and WHEREAS, this proposed minor sulxlivision, to be known as Proposed Minor Subdivision for William and Vera Molchan, is for two lots on 5.144 acres; and WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617, declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negatiue Decla~ation on November 20, 1989; and WHEREAS, a final public hearing was closed on said subdivision application at Town Hall, Southold, New York on December 3, 1990; and WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town of Southold have been met; and RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board approve and authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated August 6, 1990. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: 7:35 p.m. Cedarfields To amend the filed Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions for the approved major subdivision° SCTM $ 1000-40-5-1. This is for the affordable housing project in Greenport. This amendment is for the application for the Certificate of Eligibility. People have the right to appeal before the Planning Board at a regular meeting to appeal their eligibility. This is just a public hearing to amend that covenant and restriction. I'll ask if there are any PLANNING BOARD 3 DECEMBER 3, 1990 objections to this amendment? Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this amendment? Hearing none, are there any questions from the board? Board: No questions. Mr. Orlowski: Being no further questions, I'll declare this hearing closed. Does the board have any pleasure on this. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the following amendment to the filed Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions for the approved subdivision of Cedarfietds: Number 17 is to be revised as follows (underlined sections are to be added): Except as hereinafter provided, the premises to be constructed on subject property shall comply in all respects with Local Law No. 6 of 1986 of the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, State of New York more commonly known as the Affordable Housing Law, with the exception of Plot $38, which will be exempt from the above law. In addition~ an applicant for a Certificate of Eligibility aggrieved by any determination of the Director shall have the right to appeal such determination to the Planninq Board at its next regularly scheduled work session. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward; Mr. MeDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.. Mr. Orlowski: 7:40 p.m. Charles Simmons - This proposal is to set off a 4.41 acre parcel from an existing 40.74 acre parcel located on the north side os Sound Avenue; 1700 feet west of Bergen Avenue in Mattituck. SCTM $ 1000-112-1-P/O 8. First I'll entertain a motion in regards to SEQRA. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act take Lead PLANNING BOARD 4 DECEMBER 3, 1990 Agency, make a determination of non-significance, and grant a Negative Declaration. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Moving on to the public hearing, we have proof of publication in both local papers and at this time everything is in order for a final hearing. I'll ask if there are any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, are there any endorsements to this subdivision? Mr. Raynor: Mr. Chairman, I represent the applicant. I believe the covenances and restrictions requested by the boa~d have been executed and are back with the board and the town attorney's office. I believe that the set off is in conformity with the board's request of the 5th of November and will be happy to answer any other questions. Mr. Orlowski: Any other endorsements? Hearing none, any questions from the board? Board: No questions. Mr. Orlowski: No further questions, I'll declare this hearing closed. Does the board have any pleasure? Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. WHEREAS, Charles P. Simmons is the owner of the property known and designated as SCTM # 1000-112-1-P/0 8, located at · the north side of Sound Avenue; 1,700 feet west of Bergen Avenue in Mattituck; and WHEREAS, this set-off, to be known as Charles P. Si~L,,ons Set-off, is to set-off a 4.41 acre parcel (2.01 acres excluding the right-of-way) from a 40.74 acre parcel and WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617, declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negative Declaration on December 3, 1990; and WHEREAS, a final public hearing was closed on said subdivision application at the Town Hall, Southold, New York on December 3, 1990; and PLANNING BOARD 5 DECEMBER 3, 1990 WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town of Southold have been met; and be it therefore, RESOLVED, that the $outhold Town Planning Board grant conditional final approval on the surveys dated September 24, 1990, subject to fulfillment of the following conditions. All conditions must be met within six (6) months of the date of this resolution. Review and approval of the Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions by the Town Attorney. Once the document is approved, it must be filed in the Office of the County Clerk. The Liber and Page number of the filed document must be noted on the final map. e Submission of five (5) paper prints of the final map, all containing a valid stamp of Health Department approval. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ortowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Hearings Held Over From Previous Meetings: Mr. Ortowski: The North Forty - This major subdivision is for thirteen lots on 30.3565 acres on the south side of Oregon Road; 621 feet west of Depot Lane in Cutchog~e. SCTM ~ 1000-95-4-14.1. We are still discussing the alternative options of the open space. I'll entertain a motion to keep the hearing open. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. PLANNING BOARD 6 DECFAMBER 3, 1990 Mr. Orlowski: Baxter Sound Estates - This minor subdivision if for two lots on 5.022 acres located on the north side of Oregon Road; 1100 feet west of Bridge Lane in Cutchogue. SCTM ~ 1000-72-3-2.1 & 3. This too has a problem with the required road specifications and we are discussing that with the applicant. I'll also entertain a motion to keep the hearing open. Mr. Edwards: So moved. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. the motion? Ail those in favor? Any questions on Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ortowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Eleanor Sievernich - This minor subdivision is for two lots on 3.7648 acres located on the east side of Cox Neck Lane in Mattituck. SCTM ~ 1000-113-8-5. We are still waiting for a report from the Board of Trustees and review of the other comments that we had at the public hearing. I will also entertain a motion to keep this hearing open. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES AND SET OFF APPLICATIONS Final Determinations: Mr. Orlowski: Hanock and Watts - This minor subdivision is for three lots on 12.623 acres located on the north side of Route 48, 415 feet west of the intersection of Alvah's Lane in Cutchogue. SCTM ~ 1000-101-1-14.1. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion. PLAb~NING BOARD 7 DECEMBER 3, 1990 RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize the Chairman to endorse the final surveys dated September 15, 1988, with the following conditions affixed to the Einal map: Street trees are to be planted in conformance with Section 108-41 of the Town Code. Street trees must be planted prior to the issuance of any building permits by the Building Department. The fire well must be installed, prior to the issuance of any building permits by the Building Department. e A permit from the Department of Public Works is necessary for the common access to Lots numbered two and three. This permit must be submitted to the Building Department prior to the issuance of any building permits by the Building Department. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: William Molchan - Already done. Mr. Orlowski: Charles Simmons - Already done. Preliminary Extensions: Mr. Orlowski: Cornfields - This major subdivision is for ten lots on 20.9955 acres on the east side of Youngs Avenue; approximately 500 feet north of Middle Road (C.R. 48) in Southold. SCTM $ 1000-55-2-9.1. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to o~fer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a six month extension of preliminary approval from October 30, 1990 to April 30, 1991. Mr. Latham: Second° Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? PLANNING BOARD 8 DECEMBER 3, 1990 Ayes: Mr. Latham~ Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: East Coast Properties - This major subdivision is for five lots on 10.806 acres located on the west side of Alvah's Lane; 113 feet north of County Road 48 in Cutchogue. SCTM $ 1000-101-1-16.1. Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following motion. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a six month extension of preliminary approval from November 14, 1990 to May 14, 1991. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Review of Reports: Bond Estimate Mr. Orlowski: Cove Beach Estates - This major subdivision is for thirty-four lots on 98°2673 acres located north of Main Road in East Marion. SCTM $1000-22-3-15.1 & 18.3. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairmau, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED to adopt the bond estimate dated as revised October 25, 1990, and to reco~m~end same to the Town Board. bond estimate is in the amount of $815,525.00, with an inspection fee in the amount of $48,931.50. The Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. PLANNING BOARD 9 DECEMBER 3, 1990 Mr. Orlowski: Long Meadow Estates - This is a major subdivision is for sixteen lots on 36.9639 acres located on the north side of Sound Avenue, 337 feet west of the northwest corner of Cox Neck Lane and Sound avenue and on the west side of ~ox Neck Lane, 428 feet north of the northwest corner of Cox Neck Lane and Sound Avenue in Mattituck. SCTM ~1000-113-7-19.2 Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following motion. RESOLVED to adopt the bond estimate dated November 5, 1990, and to recommend same to the Town Board. The bond estimate is in the amount of $431,310.00, with an inspection fee in the amount of $25,878.60. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Lath~m, Mr. Ortowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordemed. MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE' CHANGES, SET OFF APPLICATIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL. QUALITY REVIEW ACT Determinations: Charles Simmons- SCTM $1000-112-1-P/O 8. (Done already). Mr. Orlowski: Goldman and Brice - This proposed lot-line change to add 11,000 square feet from a 55,0000 square foot parcel to a 21,000 square foot parcel in Laurel. SCTM $1000-128-8-7, P/O 8. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make the following motion. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, make a determination of non-significance, and grant a Negative Declaration. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? PLANNING BQARD 10 DECEMBER 3, 1990 Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald., Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. LOCAL LAW PROPOSALS Local Law in relation to Affordable Housing District. Mr. Orlowski: This is what we did tonight. This is to the Town Board. This one is basically what we had our public hearing for on the subdivision Cedar~ields. This will be for the affordable ~ .... ~ ~h~h the Town Board will adopt ~ng district ~ themselves. This will be ou~ recommendation. Mr. Ward: Mr~ Chairman~ I would like to offer the following resolution. WHEREAS the Town Board wishes to amend the provisions of the Affordable Housing District to allow an aggrieved applicant for a Certificate of Eligibility to appeal the decision beEore the Town Board or .a standing committee designated by resolution to hear such appeals, BE IT RESOLVED that the Planning Board supports the proposed amendment. Mr. McDonald: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. motion? Ail those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Any questions on the SETTING OF NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING Board to set Monday, December 17, 1990 at 7:30 p.m. at Southold Town Hall, Main Road, SQuthold as the time and place for the next regular Planning Board meeting. Mr. Edwards: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? ~PLANNING BOARD tl DECEMBER 3, t990 Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOA/{D MINUTES Board to approve the November 16, 1990 minutes from a special meeting. Mr. Edwards: So moved. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconde~. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward~ Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. McDOnald, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Tartan Oil in Mattituck. You scheduled an appointment with us to discuss your site plan. Mr. William Moore: We would like to listen to what you have to tell us. Mr. Orlowski: I think we wrote it all out. Mr. Moore: Well, we've got some problems with how to comply with it and we would like to talk ~bout it. You're letter of June the 8th. The first three items obviously we can respond to that. The fourth one, I would like to clarify that. On the curbing around the property, I assume you are referring to the improved area not back along the .... . Mr. Orlowski: The improved area? Mr. Moore: Well, the paved area. I know it is a stupid question but I just wanted to make sure. The real problem that I see is the curb cut and I told Bob and I know similar situations faced the board, the Sunoco station and I think they ended up kind of conceding to your desire to have a single curb cut on 25. We are still asking for two and I brought Lou to try and explain why this site and the way the tanks and everything else would justify two on 25. PLANNING BOARD 12 DECEMBER 3, 1990 LOU DeRonde: I would just like to say that I'm not a traffic expert, I'm a Civil engineer but I'm not an expertise in traffic. However, I made a phone call today to the State of New York over in Happaugue and just discusse~ this. They have not seen this plan because each plan stands on its own merit but generally speaking the state would approve with this frontage of 201 feet, they would approve possibly two 35 foot curb cuts or two 30 foot curb cuts. A certain distance in from the corners because o! the curb radius and they felt that this was something that is practical for a location like this. It is accepted as a industry standard and the State preliminarily does not have a problem with it. I know the town is asking for a singla curb cut here but that in itself has some complications in as much as after riding by the site tonight I found that as we proceed East on Route 25 there is a right hand curb as you are going towards the service station. That is further complicated by the facet that there is a down grade right in front of the service station. So ingress and egress out of the service station becomes difficult as you approach the easterly side of the service station so it is to the benefit to have the ra~L,p in towards the westerly end of the curb cut for ingress, not only for customers but also for the tractor trailer that must deliver fuel to these tanks that were just recently installed towards the rear of the prouerty. The fills on these tanks are at the northerly end and the tank wagon must come in and he has to swing in and he has to park because all these tanks have a right hand delivery so all the apparatus for deliveries are on the right side of th~ truck which is limitin~ in itself but then the truck would exit presently, correct me Barry, the truck exits behin~ the service station on to Maratooka where hs will make a left hand turn and procee~ west back to his terminal. We would prefer to have the two curb cuts because it lends itself much better to traffic flow on the service station not withstanding what I just said about visibility on 25 to the west leaving the service station. It is rather difficult. It would be more beneficial to have th~ curb cut placed at the westerly end of the curb cut, at the property, excuse me for egressing for someone who was going to continue west just for visibility sake and of course those who would continue east would exit on the easterly curb cut but normally speaking in situations like this and it has been a industry practice to put in two curb cuts. If you were dealing with a hundred foot frontage here we would be limited to single curb cuts but with this type of frontage it seems practical to ask for two curb cuts. Mr. Orlowski: Does the board have any questions? Mr. McDonald: You haven't shown the curb continuing down either Maratooka Lane or Central Avenue so are you planning to do away with those curb cuts in those roads as well? Lou DeRonde: I think that Tartan Oil would like to have a single curb cut on Sunset and a single curb cut o~ Maratooka. PLANNING BOARD 13 DECEMBER 3, 1990 Mr. McDonald: So you are going to have four potential entrances and exits onto this property. Lou DeRonde: That is correct. Mr. McDonald: It is still you intention (inaudible) Lou DeRonde: Number four curbing. I think the intent was to extend the curbing down to where the unimproved area begins. The wooded area runs from the easterly side approximately 70 feet back and approximately 50 feet back on Sunset and. the curbing will be brought up to that point. Mr. Ward: What were the width of the curb cuts proposed for the two side streets? Mr. Moore: I think thirty feet would be sufficient. The distinction, or one of them, with this Sunoco station is they are on a two corners, of Main Road and Factory. You get problems and~ difficulties with three roads surrounding properties. Mr. McDonald: I think that was part of what we were thinking about, because there were two existing roads on each side of that, rather than create more confusion by having multiple entrances and exits on Route 25, that we would utilize the roads that are existing already to make sure that we had fewer access points to that state road. I'm a little uncertain about what you are talking ab,out the visibility there cause it is not bad. Bill Moore: If you come off the site and you want to go west it is surprising because the curb is there. If you go and visit the site you can see it. Mr. McDonald: The curb is what, about three hundred feet down the road? Bill Moore: Probably. Lou DeRonde: You know the-growth comes right out to the edge of the shoulder of the r~ad. Actually, the growth comes out within the state right-of-way because there is some vacant property to the west of the service staltion. As I can see tonight, and as you come around there it is approximately perhaps two or three hundred yards before you can see the service station which you don't see, you see the brand sign where it is on the corner. If the brand sign were not in the position that it was in you wouldn't be able to see the service station going east until you were actually going past it and that with the combination with the down grading presents this visibility problem. We have found that if you have good on- site traffic patterns it lends itself not only to safety on the egress and ingressing but it presents a much better traffic flow and since this is in the local community most people will ~PLANNING BOARD 14 DECEMBER 3, 1990 distinguish that and after a while the whole thing will kind of blend itself and people become knowledgeable how to ingress and egress here but of course the main traffic flow for the service station is going to be not coming off Sunset or Maratooka, his main business is coming off of 25 so that is where you have to put your play. Mr. Ward: Well, if we considered the two on State 25, my feeling is that I wo~ld want to see any curb cuts on the side roads to be as far south as possible. I don't particularly like this cut as close as it is, it is just not good the way it is HOW. Lou DeRonde: Well, the state indicated what they, perhaps you know this also, but they also have jurisdiction as far as entering State roads off of town roads so the State is not going to permit a curb cut that is too close to the corner. Mr. Orlowski: Do you have a letter from the State on any of this? Lou DeRonde: No, just some phone conversations today. They suggested ~hat what we do is submit the plan to them and they will send a field inspector out a~d they will look at the property and then make a recommendmtion to Tartan Oil what the State feels will be adequate. Mr. Orlowski: Does the board have any other questions on this? Mr. Latham: What is your plan for the natural woodland area? Mr. Moore: Leave it the way it is in its natural state. This will bring us to the number six point in the letter. The landscaping plan, in strictly meeting the code, has the landscaping across the front of the property. Inthis zone it would be 25 foot deep and five feet across the front. We're running into problems with this site. It happens all the time when you get the existing site now trying to cumplywith the new rule book and sometimes you physically can't do it. If you look at the code, and if I'm reading the code correctly, a 25 foot deep buffer across the front yard and then scale out the property you are into and beyond the first existing pump island so if you are coming up with a landscape plan, I think that is partly why we are also here tonight to discuss that because we have a large wooded area in the back. To what extent you want or will require landscaping to the front of the property I think we will have to discuss. Mr. Ward: I think our feeling is that whatever you don't need as pavement gets planted. Mr. McDonald: I don't have the background I guess everybod~ else does. What I'm seeing in front of me, is this proposed or PLANNING BOARD 15 DECEMBER 3, 1990 is that pretty much there? This aren't that close to the road presently are they? Mr. Moore: Those pumps are where they are. Mr. McDonald: That is existing as is. Mr. Moore: We got yelled at at one point blacktopping, in fact we got yelled at a few times. In fact that has always been a massive asphalt or blacktop in one fashion good, bad or broken up otherwise and when it came in and it was all blacktopped it looked like we had come in and somehow schewed all ove~ everything which just wasn't the case. That's how it was and nothing was being changed at that point. Mr. McDonald: I think I would agree with Dick that by asking for this and where you can't comply with the cods it can't be done. We're asking to see your plan and what you want to do. Keeping in mind the variables in the code that you think you can comply with. I don't think we would necessarily hold you strictly to it if it can't be held to. Mr. Ward: For instance, if you get a line out here between the curb cuts, you can have a big island in here landscaped and a big island on the corner. I don't know why this is set up here, why it isn't pushed, back further or more on site. I don't know, you could do a lot to dress this site plan up besides street trees. You could get some low bed plantings in here. You know the whole front here other than whatever curb cuts we finally agree on could be all planted. It will be ten foot deep instead of twenty-five. Mr. Latham: Is that telephone, gone now? Mr. Moore: No, that pole is still there. About the sign., I don't know if we need to go to the Zoning Board? Mr. Ward: In the spirit of what we are looking for, where we can, do corners. You know you've got your sign and other things in there and here is where we've asked for the one curb cut. We would like to take advantage of places like this where we can get some low plantings in and plant some street trees. Lou DeRonde: I would just like to point out to you, you see that their layout is a bit different, it is more condusive to one layout. They have islands that are not parallel to the street. They have what they call the clamsic drive in islands and this is more conducive to a single curb cut than we have parallel lines that are already in existence. Mr. Ward: If we are going to consider the two curb cuts on 25 and if the state will approve it and you want us to consider it then we would definitely want to see these curb cuts as far south as possible. PLANNING BOARD 16 DECEMBER 3, 1990 Mr. Moore: The ones on the side roads. Mr. Ward: And large planted islands in the corners and planting across the front, street trees. LouDeRonde: If I can make a suggestion perhaps we can present this in the State of New York now within the next few days. I don't know how they are going to be about coming out and inspecting it might take several weeks or something but they will send out their recommendations and/or they will issue a permit on this and then we can come back with that information at some point and time and present it back to the board. Then we can resolve that at least. Mr. Orlowski: Well, that would be a good place to start. Before you go on it would be good to come back to us with what the State has given to you in writing. Mr. MeDonald: Under the assumption that if they grant you a permit it doesn't necessarily mean tP~t we are going to agree. Mr. Moore: From a layman's standpoint, I had real concerns ~hout a single curb cut on 25. Whether you put it to the east or to the west, whichever way you want to go back out of the property doing a very sharp U-turn either to go east or to go west depending on where you put it. Mr. Ward: The only thing is, I thought that the side streets were usable. Mr. McDonald: The other problem is for people who don't know how to get in who are coming from the east going west. If you don't know it and you are going to pull into this gas station you wouldn't know enough to go into M-arato.oka, you would be by it. Ken Edwards: That is exactly what he said, most of the traffic is going to be coming off of 25. Mr. McDonald: The westward traffic doesn't hate a problem, if they are going to entrance, they are going to enter he~e~ It's fine, it is from the other direction. Mr. Orlowski: We had Sunoco do a traffic study. Have you done anything like that? Lou DeRonde: No, I don't think there has been a traffic study done. Mr. MeDonald: Do you see Sunset being used very much? Do you envision your tanker coming in through there to come in? Lou DeRonde: I believe they do, yes. PLANNING BOARD 17 DECE~ER 3, 1990 Mr. Orlowski: You won't be able to get behind that building anymore will you? Mr. MCDonald: Is this the plan that we have in our files right now? Mr. Moore: Yes. Mro McDonald: You're goinq to come down with other modifications as well. The canopy may or may not be there? Mr. Moore: We would like to have the canopy there, the goal is we are trying to sell a gallon of milk, bread, etc.. A drive-in window. Mr. McDonald: Does he have to go to the ZBA for this? Mr. Moore: I would like to keep my list to a minimum. Mr. McDonald: I'm only thinking what's -- this is now a fast food establishment. Mr. Moore: I will go back and review the zoning code and make recommendations, to my client as to the feasibility or wisdom of that idea. The question I guess I have got for ourselves is, if you move those curb cuts back along the property would that tanker still use them. Then he is doing a right hand turn up Sunset and back along the property. Lou DeRonde: Obviously, its going to put you back into the wooded area. Mr. Moore: There is a minimum distance that you want to be. Mr. Ortowski: This tanker is going to fill up and go behind this station to get out then. Lou DeRonde: I brought along a standard, you can lay this over your site plan. You see the truck will come in. This is the same scale as the site plan and it is a right hand drop so it is actually like this. The wagon comes in, I believe as Barry was saying, it comes in over here and it will lay in here something like this. Presently, because the fills are in the front here, there's four tanks here, he probably lays pretty much parallel because these hose's are afixedand he probably parks something maybe in this fashion so he doesn't have to move the truck when he makes a delivery which is becoming a no, no these days. Mr. Orlowski: Are you figuring on taking him out this way then? PLANNING BOARD 18 DECE~ER 3, 1990 Lou DeRonde: I believe what he does now is he just continues out here and he comes out on Maratooka and then continues back to the terminal. Mr. Orlowski: It suppose to be a very high canopy. Lou DeRonde: Well, this canopy appears to be the same as your standard bridge clearance at least 14 feet if it were approved by the Zoning Board of Appeals. Mr. Orlowski: The sign says "Under New Management". Is that affecting this in any way? Mr. Moore: No~ because that is a tenant of Barry's. Mr. Orlowski: Oh, ~.~, i noticed iu was closed than if opened again. Mr. McDonald: Do you come across this way then? Lou DeRonde: The edge is behind the service statio~ now and if you can envision .... Mr. Ward: How does he come in? Lou DeRonde: He comes in off of Sunset. He comes in across the corner here and pulls in parallel. If there is a curb cut of sufficient size a 25 a 35 foot curb cut, that size truck can negotiate that turn. Mr. Ward: So you may be able to eliminate the one on this size. Mr. Latham: You mentioned 35 a couple of times rather than 30. Lou DeRonde: Well again, it is up to the state. The state has been giving out some 30's. They will not give out two forty foot curb cuts in any instance. In most instances they have been giving 30 to 35 depending on the site. Allan was just saying wi~h MObile, this is an 85 hundred gallon truck, but the brand of the station is Mobile and he neglected to say is that Mobile has gone to larger tank wagons and you have probably seen them. They are 12,000 gallons which are some seven feet longer so we do need more room to negotiate turns. The quicker you get the truck off the road the less hazardous it is. They always come to a stop before they enter and the laws the way they are changing today you know these fellows are not allowed to back up and you know it is a whole different ballgame then it was just a few years ago because of environmental problems. Mr. Latham: The trucks get larger and larger all the time. PLANING BO~D 19 DECEMBER 3, 1990 LOU: We can remember not that long ago they used to put the fills right on the street so the truck didn't even have to come into the filling station. You don't see that today. Mr. Moore: Any other comments or suggestions? Mr. Orlowski: Valerie, do you want to make a comment? Ms. Scopaz: I would just like to make a suggestion that in the traffic study that you itemize and look at the whole situation of two curb cuts. The reason is that on two other gas stations on 25, the board has asked the gas station to go down to reduce the two existing curb cuts down to one. Mr. Moore: Which was the other one, I'm just curious? Ms. Scopaz: Hess gas station. They are coming in with a similar type canopy proposal and we have asked for the same thing. Landscaping and going down to one curb cut, the same as on the Sunoco site plan. So if we are asking for a traffic study that you detail the projected traffic flow taking into account Sunset Lane, Maratooka Lane and two curb cuts from the traffic sector point of view. Mr. McDonald: We haven't actually asked for that. Ms. Scopaz: I'm making the suggestion that if you do that, I think that should be taken into consideration. Lou DeRonde: The Sunoco station. When the islands are perpendicular to the street the turning radius of getting out, these minimum turning radius for vehicles would probably in most instances, I don't know which came first the chicken os the egg here, was there a different layout first that they had two curb cuts that the islands were parallel to 25 or did they come in initially with these perpendicular islands for 25. Mr. Moore: The Sunoco is presently parallel. Melissa: Right° Lou DeRonde: Now they are but on the proposed site plan they are perpendicular because they wouldn't have an option to getting back on to 25 even if there were another curb cut. They would have no choice but to exit onto Factory Avenue. I don't think that is a controlled intersection. In fact, I know there isn't a light there. Lou DeRonde: You can imagine some of these service stations in Manhattan, they have trucks that are just dedicated to one service station. Mr. Moore: I think if I can just make one clarification for ourselves on the landscaping plan. The street trees provide PLANNING BOARD 20 DECEMBER 3 , 1990 problems for us and I understand the ideas of the corners and curb cuts and the low growth ideas make sense that we start creating visibility problems for intersections and_ street trees because I'm not sure where we are headed. Mr. McDonald: We'll go down there and take a look at it. We are going to want some street trees, certainly there are some places where the street trees can go in here. Just for your own information, we want the lighting containa~ on the site, we don't want another Mobita station like on the NerthRoad where we have to fight and fight over the lighting on that. It is not because anybody is right or wrong its just that's the way it was. In the middle of the night I don't want light glaring. Mr. Moore: Thank you for your time. Mr. Leu DeRonde: Just a conclusion, I just spoke to Barry and he would be agreeable about your concern ~hout lighting. Perhaps as we landscape these corners, assuming that they did get two curb cuts and the board would approve two, low level lighting could be employed at the entrances that wouldn't be offensive to any neighbors or anyone else and it could be done very, very effectively with the correct landscaping. It could be quite handsome. Mr. McDonald: We would appreciate anything you would lika to do. Mr. Orlowski: I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Ail those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mx. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mz. Orlowski: So ordered. Being there was no further business to come before the board the meeting was adjourned at 8:45 p.m.. Bennett Orlows~l ~r Respectfully submitted, Chairm~