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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-10/02/1990PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS Bennett Orlowski, Jr.. Chairman George Ritchie Latham, Jr. Richard G. Ward Mark S. McDonald Kenneth L. Edwards Telephone (516) 765-1938 PLANNING BOARD OFFICE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD SCOTT L. HARRIS Supervisor Town Hall. 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 1179 Southold, New York 11971 Fax (516) 765-1823 MINUTES OCTOBER 2, 1990 Present were: Bennett Orlowski Jr., Chairman G. Richie Latham Kenneth Edwards Richard Ward Mark McDonald Valerie Scopaz, Town Planner Melissa Spiro, Planner Holly Perrone, Secretary PUBLIC HEARINGS: Mr. Orlowski: Good evening, I would like to call this meeting to order. First order of business, at 7:30 p.m. Elizabeth F. McCance - This minor subdivision if for four lots on 4.739 acres located on the southeast side of Fox Avenue on Fishers Island. SCTM % 1000-6-5-3, 5, & 12. We have proof of publication in both local papers. At this time everything is in order for a final hearing. I'll ask if there are any objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this subdivision? Are there any questions from the board? Board: No questions. Mr. Orlowski: Hearing no further questions, I'll declare this hearing closed. Mr. Edwards: I would like to offer the following resolution. WHEREAS, Elizabeth F. McCance is the owner of the property known as designated as SCTM ~ 1000-6-5-3, 5.1 & 12 · ~L~ANNING BOARD 2 OCTOBER 2, 1990 located at the southeast side of Fox Avenue on Fishers Island; and WHEREAS, this minor subdivision, to be known as Elizabeth F. McCance Minor Subdivision, is for four lots on 4.739 acres; and WHEREAS, a variance for insufficient area was granted by the Zoning Board of Appeals on September 21, 1989, with a condition that the kitchen be taken out of the accessory cottage in lot three, and it only be used for sleeping ~aarters; and WHERRAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617, declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negative Declaration on March 5, 1990; and WHEREAS, a final public hearing was closed on said subdivision application at the Town Hall, Southold, New York on October 2, 1990; and WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision regulations of the Town of Southold have been met; and now therefore, he it RESOLVED that the Southotd Town Planning Board approve and authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated May 21, 1990. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (Chairman endorsed maps.) Mr. Orlowski: O.K., next order of business at 7:35 p.m is the public hearing of Eleanor Sievernich - This minor subdivision if for two lots on 3.7648 acres located on the east side of Cox Neck Lane in Mattituck. SCTM $ 1000-113-8-5. We have proof of publication in the local papers and at this time everything is in order for a final hearing. I'll ask if there are any objections to this subdivision? Mr. Dan Ross: For Mr. & Mrs. Sidorowicz, next door neighbors to the lot in question. Opposition is based on insufficient footage, square footage of the lot in question to subdivide. I would first like to hand up a previous survey done by Young and PLANNING BOARD 3 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Young showing the lot as 3.6171 acres. I sketched my calculations with respect to that the square footage for the two lots on the side and it seems that on at least the old survey there is not enough square footage. Now, if that survey is compared to the survey that is before the board, there will be different lines I believe the northern, strike that I mean, the southern line in the survey that is before the board on this application is changed from the survey that is before the board that I just handed up. I would suggest that to investigate this is to ask for a title report with respect to this property to see exactly what the applicant owns in terms of the title to the property. The second opposition is based on slopes on the property. Under Section 100-13, of the Zoning Code and particularly the definition of build-hie land, the net area of a lot or parcel after deducting wetland streams, ponds, slopes over 15% , under water land etc.. It seems as though there are sloping areas over 15%. I don't believe the maps before the board have set out how much square footage this is. It has come to our attention that in the past the board has requested applicants to exclude areas of greater than 15% slope for yield purposes and I would like to hand up a June 11, 1990 correspondence from the board requesting that with respect to a different subdivision. Along these same lines, I don't believe the wetlands area is delineated on the maps before the board. I don't know, it's waterfront property and it shows the high water mark. Wetlands is defined in the code I believe in terms of vegetation and I think it is possible at least that there are areas shown on the map that are both at the high water mark but are wetlands none the less and that might be looked into. The third area of contention is property to the north bordering Mr. & Mrs. Sidorowitz's property. There is a dispute going on with respect to title along those lines and I would just like to hand up the pleadings with respect to that suit and to make it part of the record in terms of whether they have true property is a question also. That is the basis of our opposition. I understand that the hearing is going to be held open at the request of the attorney for the applicant. I would just like to be notified before the hearing is closed so I have a chance to review anything that is submitted after tonight. Would that be possible? Mr. Orlowski: Yes, no problem. Mr. Ross: Thank you. Mr. Orlowski: Any other objections to this subdivision? Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this subdivision? Hearing none, is there anyone out there neither pro nor con but may have information pertaining to this sHhdivision that may be of interest to the board? Hearing none, any questions from the board? Board: No questions. PLANNING BOARD 4 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. Orlowski: O.K. this is all new and interesting information and we will have to review it. I'll entertain a motion to keep the hearing open. Mr. Latham: So moved. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Martin Sidor, Jr. - This proposal is to set off a 16.786 acre parcel from an existing 33.57 acre parcel located on the west side of Locust Avenue and the south side of Main Road in Mattituck. SCTM ~1000-115-7-13. We have proof of publication in both local papers and at this time everything is in order for a final hearing. I'll ask if there are any objections to this final hearing? Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this subdivision? Mr. Cuddy: Mr. Chairman, members of the board, I'm the attorney for the applicant. I would like to just simple point out that this is farmland and will remain farmland and I would ask the board to approve it. Mr. Orlowski: O.K., any other endorsements of this subdivision? Hearing none, any questions from the board? Board: No questions. Mr. Orlowski: Being there are no further questions, I will declare this hearing closed. Does the board have any pleasure? Mr. Ward: Mr. Chaizman, I would like to offer the following resolution. WHEREAS, Martin Sidor and Stella S. Radford are the owners of the property known and designated as SCTM ~ 1000-t15-7-13, located at the west side of Locust Avenue, south side of Main Road (S.R. 25), north side of New Suffolk Avenue in Mattituck; and WHEREAS, this set-off, to be known as set-off for Martin Sidor, Jr., is for a set-off of 16.786 acres from a parcel of 33.573 acres; and PLANNING BOARD 5 OCTOBER 2, 1990 WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617, declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negative Declaration on June 25, 1990; and WHEREAS, a final public hearing was closed on said subdivision application at the Town Hall, Southold, New York on October 2, 1990; and WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town of Southold have been met; and be it therefore, RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board approve and authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated April 30, 1990. Mr. McDonald: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards. (Chairman endorsed maps). Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: 7:45 p.m.M. Dickinson Burns - This lot line change is on 5.976 acre parcel on the south side of Middle Road, C.R. 48, 1340 feet west of Bowery Lane in Southold. SCTM ~ 1000-69-4-10.1, 10.2 & 10.3. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. WHEREAS, Robert D. and Catherine M. Burns are the owners of the property known and designated as SCTM ~ 1000-64-4-10.1, 10.2 & 10.3 located on the south side of Middle Road, C.R. 48, 1340 feet west of Bowery Lane, Southold; and WHEREAS, this lot line change, to be known as Lot Line Change for M. Dickinson Burns, is to change the right-of-way from the east side of property to the west side of the property. WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617, declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negative Declaration on September 10, 1990; and PLANNING BOARD 6 OCTOBER 2, 1990 WHEREAS, a final public hearing was closed on said subdivision application at the Town Hall, Southold, New York on October 2, 1990; and WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town of Southold have been met; and be it therefore, RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board approve and authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated September 20, 1990. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Hearings Held Over From Previous Meetings: Mr. Orlowski: The North Forty - This major subdivision is for thirteen lots on 30.3565 acres on the south side of Oregon Road; 62I feet west of Depot Lane in Cutchogue. SCTM ~ 1000-95-4-14.1. I think the applicant would like for us to keep it open for a while so we can discuss the open space. Mr. Ward: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Baxter Sound Estates - This minor subdivision is for two lots on 5.022 acres located on the north side of Oregon Road; 1100 feet west of Bridge Lane in Cutchogue. SCTM $t000-72-2-2.1 & 3. The applicant would like us to keep it open while we discuss the right-of-way. PLANNING BOARD 7 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES AND SET OFF APPLICATIONS: Setting of Final Hearings: Fir. Orlowski: Lon9 Pond Estates Section 2 - This major subdivision is for thirteen lots on 29.87 acres at Arshamonaque in Southold. SCTM $ 1000-56-1-P/O 2. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make the following motion. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, October 22, 1990 at 7:30 p.m. for a final public hearing on the maps dated September 28, 1990. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Estate of George Wells - This major subdivision is for three lots on 28.653 acres located on the west side of South Harbor Road; 1248.26 feet south of Main Road in Southold. SCTM ~ 1000-75-7-1.3, 1.4 & 1.5. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following motion. RESOLVED that the Southotd Town Planning Board set Monday, October 22, I990 at 7:35 p.m. for a final public hearing on the maps dated April 28, 1990. Mr. Latham: Second. PLANNING BOARD 8 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Pugliese and Calabrese - This proposed subdivision is for two lots on 41.78 acres located 853 feet west of Bridge Lane; on the north side of Route 25 in Cutchogue. SCTM $ 1000-97-1-P/O 12. Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following motion. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, October 22, 1990 at 7:40 p.m. for a final hearing on the maps dated June 22, 1990. Mr. McDonald: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Final Extensions: Mr. Orlowski: Wild Oats - This major subdivision is for seven lots on 14.734 acres located on the northwesterly corner of Indian Neck Land and Leslie's Road in Peconic. SCTM $ 1000-86-4-6. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a ninety day (90) extension of conditional finaI approval. Conditional final approval was granted on November 20, 1989, and a ninety (90) day extension was granted on April 30, 1990. The ninety day (90) extension Will expire on November 20, 1990 unless all conditions of approval have been fulfilled. This will be the last extension the Planning Board will be granting. Mr. Edwards: Second. PLANNING Mr. (] motio Ayes: Mr. 0 BOARD 9 rlowski: Motion made and seconded. n? Ail those in favor? OCTOBER 2, 1990 Any questions on the Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward. rlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Raynor: Is there any other elemenu missing now from this file? It is my understanding that council's filed the remaining conve~ants and restrictions for the homeowners association. Mr. O~lowski: Melissa will check and call you in the morning. Mr. Raynor:| O.K., thank you. Mr. Orlowski: North Roa~ Associates - This major subdivision is on 16.886 acres located in Orient. SCTM ~1000-18-4-1.2. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. Board' 43 da· this ~ESOLVED to extend the time period in which the Planning must take action after the final hearing for an additional · ~s- The extension will run until November 13, 1990. {udolph Bruer, agent for the applicant, has requested ~xtension of time. ~wards: Second. Mr. O: motio] Ayes: Mr. O~ Mr. :lowski: Motion made and seconded. Ail those in favor? Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. :lowski: ~lowski: Any questions on the Opposed? So ordered. Henry Appel - This major subdivision is for seven lots on 15.3573 acres located at the southeast corner of New Suffolk Avenue and Ole Jule Lane in Mattituck. Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following motion. ~ESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a ninety (90) day extension of conditional final approval. Conditional final approval was granted~on March 6, 1990. The 90 PLANNING BOARD 10 OCTOBER 2, 1990 day extension will expire on December 6, 1990 unless all conditions of approval have been fulfilled. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Orient Park Estates (formerly George & Irving Newman). This minor subdivision is for four lots on 16.1073 acres located in Orient. SCTM ~1000-19-1-15. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a six (6) month extension of the conditional final approval. Conditional final approval was granted on April 9, i990. The six (6) month extension will expire on April 9, 1991 unless all conditions of approval have been fulfilled. This will be the last extension that the Planning Board will be granting. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Preliminary Extensions: Mr. Orlowski: Thornton Smith Estates Sections II & III - This major subdivision is for thirty-five lots on 80.6146 acres located north of Sound Avenue and east of Bergen Avenue in Mattituck. SCTM # 1000-121-1-1 P/O 19.9. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chaiz~L~an, I would like to offer the following resolution. PLANNING BOARD 11 OCTOBER 2, 1990 RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a six month extension of preliminary approval from November 20 1990 to May 20, 1991. ' Please note that this is the last extension that the Planning Board will be granting. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Abstained: Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Sketch Determination: Mr. Orlowski: Southold Villas - This major subdivision is for seventeen lots in a proposal which also contains a site plan for sixteen condominium units on an eighteen acre parcel in the Affordable Housing District. SCTM ~ 1000-70-1-6. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following motion be made in reference to the subdivision proposal: It was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant sketch approval to the seventeen (i7) lot subdivision proposal as shown on the map dated September 13, 1990, with the following conditions: 1. That the road which is currently shown as a "future road" is named, and that the pavement width is shown. 2. That the type of vegetative screening to be used in the one hundred (100) foot buffer zone on the east side of the affordable housing section be shown on the map. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. MCDonald, Mr. Latham. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. PLANNING BOARD 12 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. Orlowski - Charles P. Simmons - This proposal is to set off a 2.01 acre parcel from an existing 36.33 acre parcel located on the north side of Sound Avenue; 1700 feet west of Bergen Avenue in Mattituck. SCTM ~ 1000-112-1-P/O 8. Mr. Latham: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant sketch approval on the map dated September 24, 1990. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Raynor: May I please interrupt you again. You have all received the correspondence from the applicant kind of playing ball with his existing situation. Is it my understanding, kind of coming in in the eighth inning, with regard to his original subdivision that the entire bond is the length of the road from BergenAvenue inclusive to his subdivision, presently endorsed by this board? Mr. Orlowski: Yes. Mr. Raynor: Alright. There was some question in my mind as to it covering 100% of all areas that including right through the homestead. Mr. Orlowski: Yes. Mr. Raynor: Any specific additional information the board would want concerning final before this is settled. Mr. Orlowski: Our concern is you know, he is subdividing this fOrthe second time and we're concerned as to When this road will be constructed. Mr. Raynor: O.K., I just want to make sure that the town is completely in a position where they have surety as well as the applicant wishing this to be. It is in no way something of any type of subterfuge. He is desirous of living there and the board is well aware that the remaining parcels has been sold for development rights as opposed to going into development for residential. If there is anything additional that would keep the board's mind at ease that we can fulfill to them we would be more than happy to. PLANNING BOARD 13 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. Orlowski: Alright, I think the biggest question is when do you plan to build this road? Mr. Raynor: It is my understanding, speaking to the applicant this morning in New York that upon sale of the first parcel he would then have funds to develop the entire road as prescribed in the bond. Mr. Ortowski: That is the development right parcel? Mr. Raynor: No, that would be the minor subdivision 8.8 parcel in that minor s~,bdivision. Mr. McDonald: Is that his full time residence? Mr. Raynor: No, no, it is not. It will be. He hopes to have it his full time residence. It is unfortunate that there is a certain domestic situation that the further fulfillment of additional surety has become quite a problem. Guess that is a nice way to say it. Mr. Latham: He would put the road in on the sale of the first lot, not the development right. What does that mean on the sale of the first lot? Mr. Raynor: He has a subdivision he filed before this board and as soon as he has money from the sale of one of these properties he will develop the entire road to specifications. You have a letter of credit before you now. He has no intention of ever selling the homestead. He is well aware. He has contracts contingent on fulfillment before the end of the year, I think it's December 15th, to have this turned into vineyard. Mr. Ward: Well, if the option does exist and he can get any income at all at the present time from that (inaudible) if he put it into even the base of the road you could reduce the bond or letter of credit to that extent. Mr. Raynor: Mr. Ward, I have got to tell you he has to live off what is forthcoming and the current. That is the situation and I want to be as straight forward about it as possible and he has authorized me to tell the board this. Thank you. Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Review of Report: Suffolk County Planning Coim~ission Mr. Orlowski: Summit Estates - This major subdivision is for thirty-five lots on 40.8223 acres located on the southwest corner of Main Road (NYS Rte. 25) and Shipyard Lane in East Marion. SCTM 91000-35-8-5.3. RLANNING BOARD 14 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following motion. RESOLVED to adopt the September 6, 1990, Suffolk County Planning Commission report with the following amendments (numbers correspond to numbers in report): 1 & 2 Are to remain as written. Is to be omitted. However, the document is to include a statement that the fence which extends into Open Space Parcel "C" is to be removed, as are the structures which are shown in that area. 4, 5, 6 & 7 Are to remain as written. J The Planning Board will be requiring that a draft Homeowner's Association be submitted for review by the Town Attorney. This document must be filed prior to any endorsement of the map by the Planning Board Chairman. J To be revised to read: These covenants and restrictions can be modified only at the request of the then owner of the premises with the approval of a majority plus one of the Planning Board of the Town of Southold after a public hearing. Adjoining property owners shall be entitled to notice of such public hearing but their consent to such modification shall not be required. 10. Is to remain as written with the addition that the Liber and Page number of the filed document must be included on the final map. In reference to: Comment 91. The Planning Board awaits a determination from the New York State Department of Transportation on this item. You will be notified should this be required. Comment ~2. The Planning Board requested that a restriction be Provided stating that the drainage pond be left intact in perpetuity. In addition, there is to be no lot or road drainage into the pond. Numbers 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 and Comment ~2 must be presented in a Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions in proper legal form. A copy of the draft Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions must be submitted for review by the Planning Board and the Town Attorney. Once approved, the document must be filed in the Office of the County Clerk. ~LANNING BOARD 15 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Number 10 must be shown on the final map. You will be notified should comment G1 be required to be shown on the map. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any ~estions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Review of Reports: Bond Mr. Orlowski: Long Pond Estates - SCTM $ i000-56-1-P/O 2. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED to adopt the bond estimate dated as revised September 28, I990, and to recommend same to the Town Board. The bond estimate is in the amount of $193,595.00, with an inspection fee in the amount of $11,615.70. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES, SET OFF APPLICATIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT Lead Agency Coordination: Mr. Orlowski: Southotd Villas - SCTM $1000-70-1-6. Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion. The following motion is made in reference to both the subdivision and the site plan: It was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board start the coordination process on the unlisted action. The Board ~LANNING BOARD 16 OCTOBER 2, 1990 assumes lead agency status, and in that capacity makes an initial determination of non-significance. Mr. Ward: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Charles Simmons - SCTM $ 1000-112-1-P/0 8. Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following resolution. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board start the coordination process on this unlisted action. The board assumes lead agency status and in that capacity makes an initial determination of non-significance. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. SEQRA Determinations: Mr. Orlowski - A. P. Sepenoski - This.proposal is to set off a 90,697 square foot parcel from an existing ten acre parcel located on Main Road in East Marion. SCTM $1000-3I-1-5.2 Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following motion. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Review Act, make a determination of non-significance, and grant a Negative Declaration. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? PL~ANNING BOARD 17 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Pugliese & Cal~brese - SCTM 9 1000-97-1-12.1 Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion. RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, make a determination of non-significance, and grant a Negative Declaration. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Board to set Monday, October 22, 1990 at 7:30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold as the time and place for the next regular Planning Board Meeting. Mr. Latham: So moved. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Approval of Planning Board Minutes. Board to approve the June 25, 1990 and July 16, 1990 minutes. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr, Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. ~n¥ questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski. PLANNING BOARD 18 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. Ortowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Moving on to Other - Do we have any other? Mr. Bill Leiblein - Port of Eg!rpt - The reason for coming tonight is because I didn't get a chance to come to your last work session and what I was hoping to do tonight was make a list of the things that I still need to do or have done before you can say we've had site plan approval and can go to the Building Department and start working again on getting a building permit. Since my last conversation with you Benny and with Bob Kassner, Merle Wiggins has been talking with the folks from the Board of Health in Riverhead and I believe he is preparing a set of plans to take up to them to get stamped and I understand that they don't have any questions. I have been in communication with Jim Lentini with the New York State Department of Transportation and Traffic Division with regard to the curbing and curb cuts and shoulder work and I saw him on the week-end and he said to call him today which I did and he was going to get back to me and try to get together with me this week or early next week and I have also contacted one of the curbing contractors that did the work for Mr. Mandel, I believe it was Wayside. I have gotten some rough ideas of the cost and it is expensive but it is not out of line. One of the questions in my mind is I don't know how long it takes to get the permit from the New York State Department of Transportation but I sent you a letter in which I said I am on record as saying whatever they want me to do, I'll do it. One of the questions is that I said in my mind is I said, what else do I have to do with regard to curbing to keep the Planning Board happy. If I say, I will do whatever they say, are you prepared to then say, subject to you putting in curbing as required by the state, you have site plan approval with that particular area, otherwise I see another year going by possibly. I don't know I'm sure it doesn't take that long but I would like to be able to proceed. I don't know whether I'm going to be able to go fast enough to get anything done this winter so I can use the building this winter. It is getting so short now that it might not work but I've still got it in the back of my mind. Mr. Orlowski: I don't see a problem if we get the correspondence from the Department of Transportation and what they are going to ask for. Does this board have any problem with this? Mr. Ward: I really don't have any problem with subject to. Mr. Leiblein: One of the things is that until I talk to them as to what they want I can't put it on the final, plans and you have asked for a final plan with the building size, the changes that were made as a result of the Zoning Board of Appeals. We're deleting where the Gift Shop was and we're making the PLANNING BOARD 19 OCTOBER 2, 1990 building a little bit smaller, so all that there was one plan dropped off just to be used at a work session but Merle said if I go through and make all these changes and then I have to make another set and put the curbing in and make another set, we're trying to get it down and make one more set and get as many things on it as you want. Mr. Orlowski: The set that was dropped off today, that's not the final set then. Mr. Leiblein: I don't know what Merle dropped off today, he said about two weeks ago he dropped off one set of plans, six or eight copies or whatever is normally required. Ms. Scopaz: He dropped off another set this afternoon and they have already been reviewed and there was some discrepancies but Bob is going to call you tomorrow and go over the listing. I just want to add one thing if I am reading you correctly, if you are willing to consider his proposal about the subject to that perhaps you could ask Mr. Lentini to simply submit the proposal to you before he finalizes it so you at least know what the state is considering. Mr. Leiblein: Basically, what they said to me last year and I will reconfirm now. Mr. Lentini said you hate got two curb cuts here, one where people turn in right along Side your building and drive down past the boats that a~e on display and another area where they kind of drive in and go to Amando's. Then you have where the Old Main Road comes onto the highway so you get three entrances to the highway in 200 feet and we don't like that. I said that is not a problem so I put those two columns out there and it is pretty hard to drive through those and everyone comes in the entrance in front of Amando's. My plan is to have a large enough curb cut so that as you are leaving there can be one lane for right hand turns and one lane for left hand turns and one fairly wide lane coming in and I haVen't talked to Mr. Lentini but as I approach my place from the West, if the shoulder is improved enough, you can have a solid line that curves over to the right so that people that are coming up and slowing down can get off the main right-of-way so cars can go by without swerving into the other lane. I think that is going to make it much safer. If I am going to spend all this money on this project, I want to make it just as nice and I possibly can so that people will want to come to my place of business. I mean this is suppose to be a win, win, situation because the Town is going to get more taxes and I'm going to get more business and it is going to be safer. That is what we are shooting for and that is the purpose of us being before this Planning Board I assume. Those are the things I have in mind and on the other side I assume the curbing would run around that little area that is sort of landscaped in front of Amando's and then just fade away as it goes down onto Old Main Road. Mr. Lentini said that he didn't think that they were going to require me to do curbing on the section across to where we plan PLANNING BOARD 20 OCTOBER 2, 1990 to do the parking but they want me to do something to improve the drainage and I still don't have a problem with that. We're kind of working on it, I put a much larger drain in last year and for the most part it works and hopefully he will have the person that is in charge of this area there to meet with me and whatever I do there it's going to make everything nicer so I don't have a problem with any of it but generally that is what we are looking at doing. Having one curb cut where all the cars come in and out now. I~m sure all of you drive by and know that there is just the one entrance way now so we will formalize that with real curbing. That is what I plan to do there and if you say O.K., you have site plan approval subject to getting or putting in whatever curbing the State requires and meeting their requirements and you can't have a C.O. until you do that or however you want to word it. I can have Merle put on a plan what I think I am going to do, I don't know what you want. I would like to get a set of plans and say, here they are. Mr. Orlowski: Are you going to meet with Mr. Lentini? Mr. Leiblein: Hopefully I will meet with him this week or early next week. Mr. Orlowski: We will be back here October 22, 1990. Mr. Leiblein: Are you having a work session in the meantime? Mr. Orlowski: Yes, we'll be having work sessions all the time. There seems to be a discrepancy because there are three plans on three different building sites. There are all kind of things floating around and we want to see it all together. Mr. Leiblein: Between now and the 22nd I'll try to get correspondence from the State and work with Bob and Valerie as far as here are six plans, throw everything else away, this is it O.K.? Mr. Orlowski: Great. Mr. Leiblein: If I can get curbing on there, he's agreed to it otherwise it will be curbing to be as State requires. Mr. Ward: Do what you think is best, if you can't show it do what you think is best. Put a note on it subject to approval of DOT. Mr. Leiblein: One of the things that you asked is that on the plot plan that the area across the street where we're going to have parking be shown instead of the area being shown off to the left where we had it on the plan we showed in actual reference to the parcel on the south side. We've got all kinds of things drawn up like that on the twenty to one scale and I would request that you allow us to submit for the purpose of showing the relationship of the north property to the south side PLANNING BOARD 21 OCTOBER 2, 1990 property and that we use the twenty to one but as far as the size we be allowed to leave it on the left rather than redrawing the whole thing fifty to one. Is that acceptable? Up until we started this project, all of our scales were fifty feet to the inch so we have numerous plot plans that VanTu¥1 drew up for us where it shows the north and south side on fifty to one. When we started this project and you said we needed twenty feet to the inch we only did the south side initially and then we put the other on the left side since that is where the C and L property was that was shown at one time. Is that acceptable? Mr. McDonald: You showed us one map where they were both shown together at one fifty and each of the separates at one twenty. Mr. Leiblein: If you draw the whole thing up one then you I guess you just turn the machine on more. I'm trying to save the expense of having him draw. Mr. McDonald: Maybe I misunderstood you but I got the impression that both of them already exist at one point but they're not together. Mr. Leiblein: No, I have a one to twenty which shows the north side and the south side in relationship to one another. In true with the highway but I have one on a one to fifty. I don'thave it twenty to one and what I would like to do is keep ~hmitting what I've been submitting as far as the twenty to one. The large one is the one that shows you where the parking space is laid out and give you five copies of whatever the requirement is in the fifty to one with the north side and south side on either side of the road. Mr. McDonald: Do we have a one to fifty right now? Mr. Leiblein: You've probably got one in the file somewhere. Mr. Orlowski: The file is very thick. Mr. McDonald: Would it be alright if we took a look at it Mr. Leiblein: O.K., then either Merle or I will be in contact with Bob or Valerie. You just want to see where is this thing in relation to, I mean everybody knows but where does it start and where does it stop. One other clarification, when I spoke to you or it may have been Bob, with regard to the parking, we have right now I think we have one space for every boat. Did you tell me on the phone that you want one space for every boat in the water and four spaces for every boat on high and dry? Did you change that? Mr. Orlowski: No. Mr. Leiblein: No, O.K.. PL~ANNING BOARD 22 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. Orlowski: Right, now we have to go with one to one. We've been working on the other but it is still up in the air and probably we don't know how long it will be. That is why we weren't looking at the project in total before and that is what now we are asking from everybody because we are going to need that to get enough parking going by the one to one. Mr. Leiblein: I don't know if I submitted this recently but in several of the marine magazines now they are showing these car pallets which the person drives his car onto a pallet, you pick the car up and put it into the rack and when you are done, the guy comes in and you take it out. You're up there laughing and smiling but, a typical car runs an~where's from ten to if it's a mercedes to maybe sixty or seventy thousand dollars and the boat's that we are handling typically run twenty to fifty thousand dollars and the boats range in size up to a twenty eight footer which weighs seven or eight thousand pounds compared to a car which is much shorter so picking up a car is like next to nothing. Mr. McDonald: The reason I was laughing was because I would be afraid that someone would come forward and state in the code that this space would have to have more parking spaces. Mr. Leiblein: Well, my thought was that if the code isn't changed at some time to reduce the requirement for parking, based on the study that was done I think it was last su~er. think it was up to you guys wasn't it? Mr. Orlowski: No, we were in favor of it and we did a lot of work to approve it but it didn't work. Mr. Leiblein: At this point, I'm not going to run out and buy a bunCh of car pallets because I know I don't ~eally need them and the other part is the car pallet is $1500.0i0 and when you do this project and divide the cost of the project by the number of slips it comes up to about $1500.00 a slide so this doubles the cost of the project. If you don't have the land then using the car pallets of course simplifies things. If at some point we say we need to do something across the street we might come to the board ifive years from now and say can we use car pallets and replace the parking across the street With car pallets in which case you don't need any parking spaces because everytime the guy goes out you put the boat away. The car in the boat spot rather. Is there anything else that I haven't asked about that you need besides the curbing and the Board of Health and the final set of plans. Mr. Orlowski: That is all we're waiting for. We'll probably be in contact with Merle first thing tomorrow morning. We already reviewed them this afternoon. Mr. Leiblein: Thanks for your indulgence. PL~ANNING BOARD 23 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. Latham: Did you say that you didn't need any curbing along on the north side. Mr. Leiblein: I didn't say that yet, when I spoke to Mr. Lentini he said, I think we can be lenient in that area but the main thing we are looking for is to make sure the drainage is improved. Mr. McDonald: I would be looking for, if not curbing, something to restrict the flow of traffic out of that parking lot. I don't know about curbing but something to show people (inaudible). Mr. Leiblein: The logical place to have an entry to that parking lot is directly across the street from where we drive in now. When we go across the street with a fork lift to take a boat we go through there so my thought is if the Department of Transportation goes along with it to make a c~rb cut with some shouldering that goes twenty or thirty feet either way and the rest of the area with some of those concrete columns or some CCA pilings and we drive in and come in and set the boats down. As you may have notiCed when we did have boats over there we turned them all around so the sterns were to the highway. Even that didn't do any good we still had two engines stolen on the main highway after stealing one on the south side of the highway so that's $25,000 worth of engines dow~ the drain. I put an alarm system in now and it is fine. It's coming this way. You could leave anything anywhere in the old days quote, unquote. Mr. Latham: That was my question. Mr. Leiblein: At some time I may come in and say, we're going to fence things in but I hate to do that. I feel like I'm going into a prison. I don't have anymore questions if you don't. Mr. Orlowski: We don't. Mr. Leiblein: Thank you very much and have a nice evening. Mr. Orlowski: Any other questions or comments? John Calibrese: I'm a partner in the subdivision of Pugliese and Calibrese. I was wondering what the progress? Mr. Orlowski: Well, tonight we set a final hearing for the 22nd of, October and we did a Negative Declaration; Mr. Calibrese: Excuse me what did you say? Mr. Orlowski: A final hearing was set for October 22nd and we gave it a Negative Declaration in regards to SEQRA. PL'ANNING BOARD 24 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. Calibrese: What does that mean? Mr. Orlowski: That means that you are well on your way to completion. Mr. Calibrese: Cause I told you I'm running out of money this is three years, I mean I can't believe that I have a minor subdivision for three years. In the meanwhile I got to keep paying money every month to pay for this thing. When I start out, I went to see Ms. Scopaz and she said Oh, it will take about six months to a year. This is three years for my subdivision, you know this is ridiculous. Everytime we send something, something else comes up, then I get tied in with a winery and I last time I was here it was about six months ago, I don't want to get tied in with the winery, I got nothing to do with the winery. It's my dollar, why should it take three years to do my subdivision. I mean, where is the money coming from, I mean I have to pay for this thing, I mean, it's not fair. Mr. McDonald: The point is that you are getting close to the end. Mr. Calibriese: I mean, where is the money coming from? I mean this is a lot of money we have to come up with every month. I mean you know we have to have some leniency on people. This isn't fair, it's not fair. What do you assume we have enough money to keep going with this? I mean, how do you assume that? I mean, somewhere along the line somebody has to make some decisions and say, well listen, you have to give us this otherwise forget about it but you just can't keep stringing us along. Mr. Orlowski: I think we did that right from the very beginning but it was between you and your partner, there was a lot of discrepancy. Mr. Calibrese: No, ever~time we kept getting stuff everything kept getting changed around. It got changed around to the winery, it changed around to something else, everytime it got changed around. You know when we came originally we were seeking to have a set off for two acre commercial. Then after we went through all the papers and everything then somebody told us you know, we have a new master plan. Why didnLt anybody tell Ks about this master plan. After we got all the papers then twice you people met and made comments that because the master plan wasn't approved yet that that was a good thing for the Main Road. So I talked to this (inaudible) man and I said listen, we don't know anything about it, nobody told us about this. We're going to be withdrawing the application for while you know you expedite my subdivision. Oh yeah, we'll take care of you that was like two and one half years ago. It isn't fair, I don't know what else to say you know. Mr. Orlowski: Well, we're getting closer. PL'ANNING BOARD 25 OCTOBER 2, 1990 Mr. Calibrese: Does that mean on October 22nd that will be the closing. Mr. Orlowski: Well, that will be pretty good. Mr~. McDonald: Then we have the final hearing. Mr. Calibrese: Well, when is the final hearing? Mr. Orlowski: The 22nd. Mr. Calibrese: Do you see any problems with it? Mr. McDonald: Anybody who wants to can come to that meeting and complain, make any comments they want and we have to take into consideration their comments. If there are no difficulties, then that makes it a lot easier. Mr. Calibrese: It is not like asking to something like Taj-Mahalover there. You know I'm just trying to build a house over there. Thank you. Mr. Orlowski: Very good. No further comments or questions from the audience? Any questions from the board? Board: No questions. Mr. Orlowski: No further questions, I'll entertain a motion. Mr. McDonald: I move we adjourn. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Ail those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Being there was no further business to come before the board, the meeting was adjourned at 8:45 p.m.. /