HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-04/09/1990PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
Bennett Orlowski, Jr., Chairman
George Ritchie Latham. Jr;
Richard G. Ward
Mark S. McDonald
Kenneth L. Edwards
Telephone (516) 765-1938
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
gOUT-HOLD TOWN. PL~NING BOARD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Su~isor
Town Hall. 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold. New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
MINUTES
APRIL 9, 1990
Present were:
Bennett OrlowSki Jr., Chairman
G.. Richie Latham
Richard Ward
Kenneth Edwards
Mark McDonald
Valerie Scopaz, Town Planner
Melissa Spiro, Planner
Holly Perrone, Secretary
Jane Rousseau, Temporary Secretary
Mr. Orlowski: Good Evening, I would like to call this meeting
to order. First order of business, public hearings, subdivision
finals, 7:30 p.m. Fishers Island Utility - This minor
subdivision is for two residential lots located on Fishers
Island. SCTM $1000-6-6-20. We have proof of publication in
the Suffolk Times, Long Island Traveler Watchman and the New
London Day. At this time everything is in order for a final
hearing and I will ask if there are any objections to this
subdivision? Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this
subdivision.
Richard Lark: Good evening, I represent the applicant of
Fishers Island Utility. In recent correspondence dated
March 27th, you set the matter down for public hearing you
asked that certain covenants be imposed and asked for a draft to
be presented to you. I am handing you a draft of that now and I
just want to point out that there is no objection at all for the
applicant because that is the way the subdivision was intended.
To have the driveways for access to lots one and two on Central
Avenue so I put the covenant, the driveways for vehicle access
to lots one and lot two shall be from Central Avenue, that is
not a problem. The second covenant that you put on there
created a wee bit of a problem and I think I fulfilled what you
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want but you've got in your resolution that you want affordable
housing and I don~t know what that means. I don't think anybody
else does either if you read your newspapers. Then you wanted
it for year round housing. Now, the more I thought about it,
the covenant that I proposed for you, I think it intends which
you intend and that is eight dwelling constructed on lots one
a~nd two shall be utilized for the purpose of year round
occupancy only. I think that's what you want because I don't
know what year round housing means and if somebody can explain
to me what year round housing in the Webster sense of the word
means I would be happy but I think under zoning and covenants
year round occupancy with a dwelling is pretty well clear what
you want if that is in fact what you want. The applicant has no
problem with that. The words that you picked up were said in
the thing about something about a June 29th, Zoning Board of
Appeals, I represented the applicant in that to get the two lots
and the reason for it is the utility company, its present
intention is to put modular homes on the property and install
two of its year round employees because you know on the island
Walsh Park housing is a problem especially for the utility
company to attract competent people. It is intended as a year
round home so putting that restriction on doesn't have any
problem because again the Board of Appeals tried to raise the
affordable housing issue and they couldn't explain it to me
either, what they mean and I think after, from what I gathered,
and I will let Mr. Edwards speak on it because he lives over
there and he knows the acute housing shortage and to attract
people that is what the purpose is. It is not the purpose of
the utility company to subdivide and sell, they have no
intention of doing that but on the other hand, fifteen years
from now if the utility company a private utility, goes out of
business and it is taken over by some type of power authority,
who is to say what is going to go on over there. So I think the
covenant would be enforceable by leaving it as I proposed to you
and I think it meets the intent. The vehicle access again is
not a problem and really what I think is you wanted those to be
year round homes and year round occupied. You don't want them
as summer homes or seasonal homes. I think that is pretty much
the intent of everything.
Mr. 0rlowski: O.K., do you have any comments on that Mr.
Edwards?
Mr. Edwards: I kind of agree with Mr. Lark, I think that is the
intent and it certainly is my intent that it stays year round
housing.
Mr. Lark: We're looking for a full time year round resident,
that is really what we are after there.
Mr. Edwards: I agree.
Mr. Lark: I didn't know what it means because you know what the
intent is. They didn't want to be limited as to the size of the
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garage and all of that business that you get into when you get
into square footage costs.
Mr. Edwards: Maybe we can redo the covenants.
Mr. Lark: I gave him a sample for what you want and if they are
in approved form then I will get th~ signed by Mr. Doherty as
soon as he gets back from Florida. So I move for a resolution
approving this subdivision subject to approval and getting
signed covenants into your office that are recorded.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K..
Mr. Lark: Any further questions? We're been at this one for
over a year or so.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K., any other endorsements of this
subdivision? Hearing none, is there anyone out there neither
pro nor con but may have information pertaining to this
subdivision that would be of interest to the board?
Mr. Edwards: I would like to move this for approval subject to
the approval of the covenants and restrictions?
Board: No questions.
Mr. Orlowski: No further questions, I'll declare this hearing
closed. Mr. Edwards do you want to make a motion?
Mr. Edwards: I would move to approve subject to review and
approval of the covenants so presented byM_r. Lark.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald
Mro Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: 7:35 p.m - James Cross - This is for a set
off of a ~6,946 square foot parcel from a 7.914 acre parcel
located on the north side of Main Road in Cutchoque.
SCTM $1000-I08-3-12. We have proof of publication in the
local papers and at this time everything is in order for a final
hearing. I'll ask if there are any objections to this set off?
Hearing none, are there any endorsements of this set-off?
Hearing none, any questions from the board?
Board: No questions.
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 4 APRIL 9, 1990
Mr. Orlowski: Being no further questions, I will declare this
hearing closed. Does the board have any pleasure?
Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following
resolution.
WHEREAS, Ralph Tut_hill and his wife are the owners of the
property known and designated as SCTM %1000-108-3-12.2, and
James E. Cross is the owner of SCTM %1000-108-2-12.1, located
off a 50 foot right-of-way on the north side of Main Road (S.R.
25); 1281.6 feet east of Elijah's Lane in Cutchogue; and
WHEREAS, this set-off application, to be known as James E.
Cross Set-Off, is to set off a 86,946 square foot parcel from a
7.9140 acre parcel; and
WHEREAS, a variance in accordance with the Town Law,
Section 280A for approval of access was granted by the Zoning
Board of Appeals on June 23~ 1988; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the
State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617,
declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negative Declaration on
May 15, 1989; and
WHEREAS, a final public hearing was closed on said
subdivision application at the Town Hall, Southotd, New York on
April 9, 1990; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision
Regulations of the Town of Southold have been met; and
be it therefore,
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board approve and
authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated June 9
1989. '
Mr. McDonald: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham,
Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (Chairman signed maps)
HEARINGS HELD OVER FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS:
PLANNING BOARD MINUTE$ 5 APRIL 9, 1990
Mr. Orlowski: Doris Price Moeller Foster - This minor
subdivision is for three lots on 8.5 acres located at
Cutchogue. SCTM ~1000-103-9-13
Final public hearing was open on February 13th and we're
keeping it open until we receive the final maps showing all the
previous Planning Board requests and the current stamp of the
Suffolk County Health Department. I don't know if there is
anyone here representing the applicant but we will keep this
hearing open and I wilt entertain a motion to keep it open.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski,
Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
~AJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES AND SET OFF
APPLICATIONS:
Final Determinations:
Mr. Orlowski: Orient Park Estates (formerly George & Irvinq
Newman). This minor subdivision is for four lots on 16.1073
acres located in Orient.
SCTM ~1000-t9-1-15.
Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make the
following motion.
WHEREAS, George and Irving Newman are the owners of the
property known and designated as SCTM ~1000-i9-1-15, located
at the south side of Main Road (NYS, RT. 25); 3,833 feet
east of Narrow River Road in Orient; and
WHEREAS, this subdivision, to be known as Orient Park
Estates is for four lots on 16.7073 acresf and
WHERE,, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the
State Environmental Quality Review Act~ (Article 8), Part 617,
declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negative Declaration on
December 17, 1984; and
WHF~REAS, a final public hearing was closed on said
subdivision application at the Town Hall, Soutl%old, New York on
March 5, 1990; and
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 6 APRIL 9, 1990
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the subdivision regulation
of the Town of Southold have been met; and
be it therefore,
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant
conditional final approval on the maps dated February 27, 1989
and authorize the Chairman to endorse the final surveys subject
to fulfillment of the following conditions. All conditions must
be met within six (6) months of the date of this resolution.
1. Submission of final maps (5 paper prints and 2
mylars) with the following:
A. A current stamp of Suffolk County Health
Department approval.
B. The location of the firewetl.
A notation that a Declaration of Covenants
and Restrictions has been filed,and the Liber and
page number.
The statement "Proposed Taking Line," and
all references to the proposed taking area, should
be re-stated as DEC Taking Line if the taking
has occurred. If the Taking is still proposed,
all statements in reference to it~should be
removed and both the total area of Lot number
four and the area of the lot less the area of the
wetland and the pond should be stated.
2. A copy of the recorded Declaration of Covenants and
Restrictions.
3. Curb cut approval from the New York State Department
of Transportation.
4. Submission of a bond, Letter of Credit, or the
equivalent, for the amount of $67,560.00
5. Submission of the inspection fee of $4,053.60.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any ~aestions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham,
Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
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Mr. Orlowski: Alan Cardinale -
subdivision is for four lots on
Mattituck.
SCTM 91000-122-3-1.4.
Mr. Ward: I would like to offe]
APRIL 9, 1990
(James Creek) - This
15.9012 acres located at
the following resolution.
WHEREAS, Alan A. Cardinale is the owner of the property
known and designated as SCTM $1900-122-3-1.4, located at the
east side of NfS Rout 25; approximately 700 feet north of Bay
Avenue in Mattituck; and
WHEREAS, this minor subdivision, to be known as Alan
Cardinale Minor Subdivision is four lots on 15.73 acres; and
· WHEREAS, the Southold town_planning Board, pursuant to the
Staue Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617,
declared itself Lead Agency andissued a Negative Declaration on
April 15, 1985; and
WHEREAS, a final, public hearing was closed on said
subdivision application at the Town Hall, Southold, New York on
March 5, 1990; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision
Regulations of the Town of Southbld have been met; and
be it therefore,
conditional final approval on th~
and authorize the Chairman to e~
to fulfillment of the following
be met within six (6) months of
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant
~ maps dated November 8, 1989
lorse the final surveys subject
:onditions. All conditions must
~he date of this resolution.
Curb cut approval from
Department of Transport
~he New York State
~tion.
A draft of the revised Declaration of Covenants
and Restrictions which 9as submitted previouslY,
including all requirements of the February 8, 1990
Suffolk County PlanningCosmmission report. Upon
approval of the draf't by the Planning Board and
the Town Attorney, the ~ocument must be filed in
the office of the County Clerk prior to endorsement
of the subdivision.
3. Final maps (5 paper prints and 2 mMlars) with
the following:
A. A current stamp of Health Department approval.
B. The location of the firewell as requested in
the Planning Board's correspondence of
PLANT~ING BOARD MINUTES 8 APRIL 9, 1990
January 12, 1990.
C. Compliance with the December 11, 1989 Engineer's
Report.
D. The additions requested in the February 8, 1990
Suffolk County Planninq Co~,uission Report.
Submission of a bond, Letter of Credit or equivalent
for the amount of $78,870.00, and acceptance of
same by the Town Board.
5. Submission of the inspection fee of $4,732.00.
Mr. McDonald: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward,
Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Fir. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Setting of Final Hearings:
Mr. Orlowski: The North Forty - This major subdivision is
for thirteen lots on 30.3565 acres on the south side of Oregon
Road, 621 feet west of Depot Lane in Cutchogue.
SCTM ~I000-95-4-14.1. First, what is the pleasure of the
board on the bond estimate.
Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to enter a motion.
RESOLVED to adopt the bond estimate which was revised by
the Planning Board on April 9, 1990, and to reco~L~end same to
the Town Board. The bond estimate is in the amount of
$319,730.00 , with an inspection fee in the amount of
$19,183.00.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards,
Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: I will now make a motion that be it
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 9 APRIL 9, 1990
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday,
April 30, I990 at 7:40 p.m. for a final public hearing on the
maps dated December 21, 1989.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald,
Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Anthony & Helen Dris - This minor
subdivision is for three lots on 9.6526 acres located on the
west side of Breakwater Road; 186.37 feet south of Stanley
Road in Mattituck.
SCTM $1000-106-8-20.1.
Mr. Orlowski: I would like to make a motion.
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday,
April 30, 1990 at 7:30 p.m. for a final public hearing on the
maps dated January 9, 1989.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward,
Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Cornfields - This major subdivision is for
ten lots on 20.9955 acres on the east side of Youngs Avenue;
approximately 500 feet north of Middle Road (CoR. 48) in
Southotd.
SCTM $1000-55-2-9.1
Mr. Orlowski: I will make a motion.
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday,
April 30, 1990 at 7:35 p.m. for a preliminary public hearing on
the maps dated February 12, 1990.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 10 APRIL 9, 1990
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. McDonald,
Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Sketch Extensions:
Mr. Orlowski: Robert E. VanNostrand - This is for a set
off of a 80,000 square foot parcel from a 17.595 acre parcel
located on the northwest corner of King Street and Old Farm Road
in Orient.
SCTM $1000-25-4-11.4.
Mr. Orlowski: I will make a motion.
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a six
month extension of sketch approval from April 3, 1990 to
October 3, 1990.
Mr. Laths]n: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion.? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski,
Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald~
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
REVIEW OF REPORTS: SUFFOLK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
Mr. Orlowski: Pugliese and Calabrese - This minor
subdivision is for three lots on 41.783 acres located on the
northeasterly side of Main Road, 853.33 feet southwesterly from
Bridge Lane in Cutchogue.
SCTM ~1000-97-1-12.1
Mr. McDonald: I would like to offer the following motion.
RESOLVED to adopt the following from the March 8, 1990,
Suffolk County Planning Commission report with the following
amendments (numbers correspond to numbers in report):
1, 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6. Are to remain as written.
7. Is to be revised to read: No stormwater runoff
resulting from the development and improvement of
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the subdivision or any of its lots shall be
directly discharged into any of the ponds on the
property or wetlands that may be within the
parcel.
8. Is to remain as written.
Is to be revised to read: These covenants and
restrictions can be modified only at the request of the
then owner of the premises with the approval of a
majority plus one of the Planning Board of the Town
of Southold after a public hearing. Adjoining property
owners shall be entitled to notice of such public
hearing but their consent to such modifications shall
not be required.
10.
Is to remain as written, with the addition that the
liber and page number of the filed document be
included on the final map.
Numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9 must be presented in a
Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions in proper legal form.
A copy of the draft Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions
must be submitted for review by the Planning Board and the Town
Attorney. Once approved, the document must be filed in the
office of the County Clerk.
Number 10 must be shown on the final map.
The Planning Board requested the following revisions to the
map:
The area of the ponds must be stated on the map.
The upland area of Lot $1 and Lot $2 must be stated on
the map. Lot $1 must be two acres excluding the area of
the pond.
It must be stated on the map that the buildin~ which
straddles the proposed lot line of Lot $1 is to be
removed.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? Ail those in favor.
Ayes.: Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham,
Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 12 APRIL 9, 1990
Mr. Pugliese: May I say something? You send me ten or eleven
things here and I don't even know what's going on so when are
you going to review this again?
Fir. Orlowski: Well, you will get a letter tomorrow in the
mail.stating what this is all about. This is taken from the
Suffolk County Planning Commission's Rsport of March 8th and
tomorrow you'll have this is the mail. If you have any
questions you can call our office.
REVIEW OF REPORTS: Suffolk County Planning Commission
Mr. Orlowski: The North Forty - SCTM $1000-95-4-14.1. This
has already been dons.
Mr. Orlowski: Kay Dee Estates - This minor subdivision
is for three lots on 5. 959 acres located at Leslie Road in
Cutchogue.
SCTM ~t000-97-4-17.
Mr. Robert Koaziewicz: Office of Peter Danowski. I believe
it is a concern that has been addressed previously to the board
and I think it was in the case of Mr. and Mrs. Graeb. ~rs.
Bailey, who is the applicant of Kay Dee Estates, proposes to
subdivide the land. The basic proposition for the s~hdivision
is to have plans for her children. The property involved here
is approximately six acres an~ we've gotten a bond estimate with
the inspection fee of $72,970.00. I have discussed it with my
client and basically this bond estimate would make it infeasible
to subdivide for her children. I don't know what happened with
the Graeb's case hut I know they expressed similar concerns
-and I would ask, although I ha~e to do it, if this could be held
over to April 30th, 1990 to ask the board whether they could
reconsider this situation. To be quite honest, I don't know
what the exact answer is but I know with the estimate as high as
it is my clisnt is in a position that is economically infeasible
or impossible at this time to pursue the subdivision.
Mr. Orlowski: Alright, as with the Graeb's case and the
Planning Board is working on some alternate road specs
possibility and maybe we can work with the road committee and the
Town Board to do something about it. Do you want to put this on
hold right now as the Graph's have done?
Mr. Koaziewicz: I believe that is what we would like to do
at this point because this is something that is required by the
board. It is just impossible for us to foresee it.
Mr. Ozlowski: O.K., have you gotten Health Department
approval yet?
Mr. Koaziewicz: Yes, I'll get them to the board.
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Mr. Orlowski: O.K.
Mr. McDonald: Are you still waiting to hear from the Fire
Department about the firewell?
Mr. Koaziewicz: Yes.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K., we'll review that and send you a copy of
some standard C & R's whichl you can review.
Review of Bond:
Mr. Orlowski: Chardonna¥ Woods - SCTM ~1000-51-3-3.
We have a letter of credit ready to expire. The applicant has
asked that it be reduced since the work in regard to drainage
has been done and put in place. What is the pleasure of the
board?
Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I offer the following resolution.
RESOLVED that the letter of credit be reduced to $350,000.00
and maintain the inspection fee as it is.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion mads and seconded. Any~question on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham
Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? In that resolution you want to make
it that we send that to the Town Board for their approval.
Mr. Ward: Yes, I'll amend it.
Mr. Orlowski: Ail those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald,
Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: So ordered.
Park and Playground Determination:
Mr. Orlowski: Thorton Estates Section 1 This major
subdivision is for fourteen lots on 29.3064 acres, located on
the north side of Sound Avenue; 952.2 feet east of Bergen
Avenue in Mattituck. SCTM ~ i000-121-1-p/o 1.1.
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Mr. Ross: Wickham, Wickham, and Bressler. May I be
heard? I represent the applicant. I underst~od the board is
going to consider the park and playground requirements and
specifically I understand they are going to set an amount to be
received in lieu of dedication of park and playground land or
area, and as we understand it, and I haven't seen the yield map
in speaking with the surveyors and I didn't have the yield map
in my file that the park and playground area was shown on the
yield map. Conse~dently, it seems by requiring the money in
lieu of dedication you are in effect paying for the park land
twice. Once on the decreased yield and once in terms of the
money in lieu of parkland and I understand the board is going
to consider this tonight and I just wanted to put those
objections on the record at this time. We don't know what the
amount is going to be so it is hard to make determinations and
in all honesty I have only looked into this issue today. I
haven't had a chance to look into it in depth but it seems that
there is a type of double dipping here on the part of the
playground requirements.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K., does the board have any comments or
questions on this?
Mr. Ward: Just the fact that it has been the town's policy to
... the yield map is a determination of just what it is, a
yield. The determination of park and playground whether it is
taking acreage or money in lieu of the acreage is usually done
at this stage.
Mr. Ross: I think though that if the park and playground area
is shown on the yield map then it should be a determination to
be made by the applicant as to whether to dedicate the area or
to make a contribution of money and I understand it is the
board's position that that is not the applicant's determination
but the board's determination which as the code indicates that
it is your determination and as I understand it you wouldn't be
interested in a situation such as this in parkland or
playground but that being the case it seems like there is a
double hit here on the parkland issue.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, it has been the policy of the board to do
it ~his way and what is the pleasure of the board on this?
Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following
resolution.
RESOLVED that as per Section A106-38E of the Town Code,
the s~hdivision entitled Thornton Estates Section 1 be referred
to the Town Board for a determination of the amount of the cash
payment to be deposited in lieu of land reservation for park and
playground purposes.
This subdivision is for fourteen lots on 29.3064 acres, and
is located on the north side of Sound Avenue, 952.2 feet east of
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Bergen Avenue in Mattituck. This is Section I of a three
section development. Final maps for Sections II and III have
not yet been submitted.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski,
Mr. Ward.
Mr. McDonald: Abstained.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
~AJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES, SET OFF
APPLICATIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT.
Determinations:
Mr. Orlowski: Anthony and Helen Dris - SCTM ~
1000-106-8-20.1.
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting
under the State Enviror~ntal Quality Review Act, make a
determination of non-significance, and grant a Negative
Declaration.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes; Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham,
Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
SITE PLANS
Final Determinations:
Mr. Orlowski: Pindar Vineyard This site plan is for an
amendment to an existing site plan for a storage building on
Main Road in Peconic. SCTM ~1000-85-2-15.
Mr. ~cDonald: I would like to offer the following resolution.
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 16 APRIL 9, 1990
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting
under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, do an
uncoordinated review of this unlisted action. The Planning
Board establishes itself as Lead Agency, and as Lead Agency
makes a determination of non-significance and grants a Negative
Declaration.
WHEREAS, Dr. Herodotus Damianos is the owner of the
property known and designated as Pindar Vineyards, SCTM
81000-85-2-15, located at Route Twenty Five (25) east of Bay
Avenue, Peconic, Southold; and
WHEREAS, a formal application of the approval of this site
plan was submitted on March 15, 1990; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Site Plan Regulations
of the Town of Southold have been met; and
be it therefore,
RESOLVED, that the Southotd Town Planning Board approve and
authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated March
30, 1990.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. McDonald,
Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (Chairman endorsed maps)
Mr. Orlowski: Andreas E. Markakis - This site plan is
for a change of use in an existing building located on
Boisseau Avenue in Southold. SCTM %1000-62-1-16.
Mr. Orlowski: What is the pleasure of the board in regard to
SEQRA determination? I make a motion that
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting
under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, do an
uncoordinated review of this unlisted action. The Planning
Board establishes itself as Lead Agency, and as Lead Agency
makes a determination of non-significance and grants a Negative
Declaration.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 17 APRIL 9, 1990
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards,
Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Ortowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: What is the pleasure of the board in regards to
approval?
Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make the following
motion?
WHEREAS, Compass'Transports, S.A. is the owner of the
property known and designated as SCTM $1000-62-1-16, located
at the southwest side of Boisseau Avenue and the Main Road at
Southold; and
WHEREAS, a formal application for the approval of this site
plan was submitted on February 14, 1990; and
WHEREAS, on January 9, 1990, the Zoning Board of Appeals
granted a variance for site plan approval; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Site Plan Regulations
of the Town of Southotd have been certifie~ by his Engineer to
be met; and
be it therefore,
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board approve and
authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey and d~ted
April 3, 1990.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards,
Mr. Ward,
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed?
Mr. McDonald: I'm opposed. Mr. Chairman, I would like to
state that I don't believe that the site plan regulations of
this town have been complied with.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K., so ordered. (Chairman endorsed maps)
Mr. Orlowski: North Fork Wood Design - This site plan is
for an amendment to an existing site plan in Peconic.
Mr. McDonald: I would like to offer the following resolution.
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting
under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, do an
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 18 APRIL 9, 1990
uncoordinated review of this unlisted action. The Planning
Board establishes, itself as Lead Agency, and as Lead Agency
makes a determination of non-significance and grants a Negative
Declaration.
WHEREAS, John P. Krupski and Brothers Incorporated are the
owners of the property known and designated as
SCTM$ 1000~74-4-5 located on County Route Forty Eight (48) and
Paul's Lane, Peconic, Southold; and
WHEREAS, a formal application for the approval of this
amended site plan was submitted on March 16, 1990; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Site Plan Regulations
of the Town of Southold have been met; and
be it therefore,
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board approve
and authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated
March 29, 1990.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards,
Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. IChairman endorsed maps)
Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to point out, in
spite of what some people think, how quickly some things are
acted upon. It came in the 16th and now it's getting final
approval.
Mr. Orlowski: ~ranqe BuildinG - This site plan is for a
change of use in an existing building located at Traveler Street
and ~eckwith Avenue. Southold. SCTM $1000-61-1-25.
Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following
resolution.
WHEREAS, Mr. and Mrs. Walter Glasser are the owners of
the property known and designated as the Grange Building,
SCTM ~1000-61-1-25, located at Travelers Street and Beckwith
Avenue, Southold; and
WHEREAS, a formal application for the approval of this site
plan was submitted on September 5, 1989; and
PLANNING BOA/{DMINUTES 19 APRIL 9, 1990
WHEREAS, on January 9, 1990, the Zoning Board of Appeals
granted a Special Exception for a change of use from Place of
Worship to office/apartment; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Site Plan Regulations
of the Town of Southold have been met; and
be it therefore,
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board approve and
authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated March
7, 1990.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? Ail those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald,
Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So moved. (Chairman signed maps)
SITE PLANS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT
Determinations:
Mr. Orlowski: Pindar Vineyard - SCTM %1000-85-2-15.
Done.
Mr. Orlowski: Cutchogue Hardware - This site plan is for a
3,200 square foot hardware store 3,200 square feet located on
Main Road in Cutchogue. SCTM %1000-61-1-25.
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following
motion.
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting
under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, make a
determination of non-significance, and grant a Negative
Declaration.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald,
Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 20 APRIL 9, 1990
Mr. Orlowski:
Mr. Orlowski:
~1000-74-4-5.
Opposed? So ordered.
North Fork Wood Design - SCTM
Done.
Mr. Orlowski: Andreas E. Markakis - SCTM
$i000-62-1-I6. Done.
LOCAL LAW PROPOSALS
1. Proposed Local Law - to amend parking requirements
for marinas.
Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion to
adopt the following resolution:
WHEREAS the legislative intent is to acco~m~odate a new type
of boat storage in marinas and also to develop a pazking
requirement that is based on actual needs; and
WHEREAS, the Town Board had authorized a parking survey of
a local marina during the sun~uer of 1989, which results showed
that the Town's current parking requirement was excessive; and
WHEREAS the Planning Board finds that the parking
requirement should reflect actual conditions in the field; and
WHEREAS the Planning Board finds that the current parking
requirement for marinas does not take into account the parking
needs generated by the dry rack storage of boats, which is a
type of storage that reflects a steady trend in the marina
industry towards maximizing the use of upland, in the face of
increasing regulation of and competition for the waterfront;
BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommends the
passage of the proposed amendment which will change the
requirement from one parking space per slip, mooring or storage
capacity to one half a space per wet slip and one quarter of a
space per dry rack storage space. The existing requirement of
one space per employee will not be affected by this amendment,
and the Board supports its retention.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 21 APRIL 9, 1990
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards,
Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski,
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski:
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Proposed Local Law - to set a minimum required floor
for living area of 850 square feet for both single
family homes and multiple dwelling units.
Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion to adopt
the following resolution.
WHEREA~ the legislative intent appears to be to prevent the
construction of dwelling units of less than 850 square feet in
living area; and
WHERE~S, the Planning Board finds that where single family
dwellings are concerned, this requirement for a minimum floor
area is not unreasonable; and
WHEREAS, it also finds that where multiple dwelling units
are concerned, this restriction is unreasonable, in that it
would prevent the conversion of existing structures in
appropriate zones into affordably sized and priced dwelling
units,
BE IT RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommends approval
of the proposed amendment of the definition for the one-family
dwelling only, and FURTHER that the Planning Board recommends
denial of the proposed amendment of the multiple dwelling
definition.
BE IT ALSO RESOLVED that the Planning Board reco~a~ends that
the minimum floor area stated in the Bulk Schedule for
Residential Districts be revised to allow 400 s~dare feet per
multiple dwelling unit in all residential districts where
multiple dwelling units are permitted except for the Resort
Residential and Residential Office districts.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards,
Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 22 APRIL 9, 1990
SETTING THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING:
Mr. Orlowski: Board to set Monday, April 30, 1990 at 7:30
p~m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold as the time
and place for the next regular Planning Board Meeting.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald,
Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES:
Mr. Orlowski: Board to approve the Planning Board Minutes of
March 26, 1990.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards,
Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski,
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Town subdivision of affordable housin9 at
Hiawatha's Path~ Southotd. SCTM $1000-78-3-P/O 51.
Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the
following resolution:
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize
the Chairman to re-endorse the final maps for the Town
Subdivision of Affordable Housing at Hiawatha's Path, Southold
which were previously endorsed on August 25, i989.
Mr. Latham: Second.
PLANNING BOARD MII~[VfES 23 APRIL 9, 1990
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. McDonald,
Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Town subdivision of affordable housinq at
Elijah's Lane, Mattituck. SCTM ~1000-108-4-7.2.
Mr. Ward: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following
resolution.
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize
the Chairman to re-endorse the final maps for the Town
Subdivision of Affordable Housing at Elijah's Lane Estates,
Mattituck which were previously endorsed on August 25, 1989.
FAr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards,
Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Cuddy is here for a discussion with the
board.
Mr. Cud~f: Thank you for letting me come b~fore you on such
short notice. I would like to give each one of you a map and a
copy of a letter I have written. Also, I have the subdivision
regulations pertaining to subdivisions and set-offs. The reason
I have come before the board is that what I think I am talking
to you about is a concept and not really the question of detail.
The concept is one of what is a set-off in the Town of
Southold. The set-off provision in the ordinance itself doesn't
really reflect any particular numbers or size of lots, it simply
talks about dividing lots. I have a situation with a parcel at
Locust Lane in Mattituck where I have a thirty three and
one-half acre parcel. It is a farm and it is going to stay a
farm but we need to divide the parcel and there is a reason for
coming to you at this time. I have a client who is desperately
In need of money and is one of three owners of the parcel. She
can sell the one-half which is the upper portion of the map you
have and get that money. There is a very serious medical
problem in the family that she has to address. I believe after
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 24 APRIL 9, 1990
looking at the ordinance and after looking at some past things
that I have done before the board that there is no particular
reason that this can't be a set-off. We're not going to change
and I think this is crucial, we are not going to change the
character of this parcel what so ever. It is in farming now and
was farmed by the Sidor family for years and years. One of
the Sidor's is going to continue farming the parcel, in the
front part of the parcel it is our intention to have a
vineyard. In other words, have sixteen and one-half acres of
vineyard. I am before you because I believe it is appropriate
to have this as a set-off. All of the requirements that are set
out in the ordinance are met, there is nothing that is contrary
to having the set-off for this particular parcel. We are going
to make no change and there is going to be no residence, there
is going to be no increase in services, there is going to be no
requirement for any particular municipal event. We are not
going to be putting in plats with access to the road on it. We
are simply taking a piece that already exists and dividing it
into two pieces. If this was not in the ordinance to set-off,
you would probably for this type of situation want to have a
set-off because there is no reason to go through a whole minor
subdivision to take a lot, break it in half, and use it for
exactly the same thing that it is being used for, and that was
why I am appearing before the board because I think it is a
different type of situation. I would ask you if you could give
me some sense about what the board thinks about this so I can
make the appropriate application but I hope thatapplication
very much is to be a set-off application. Thank you.
Mr. Orlowski: In your letter you said there will not be any
f~rther s~hdivision of either lot?
Mr. Cuddy: No, there will never be any further s~,hdivision,
we'll put a coVenant on it saying that. I don't mean that ever,
ever, there will never be one, In other words, I would put the
covenant on that you usually ask for. But the intention is to
keep it just as it is.
Mr. Orlowski: I don't see any problem with it, I mean we've
always done set-offs for owners on parcels where they want to
keep a parcel and where they want to sell a parcel so I think it
is pretty simple. I don't know if the board has any coim,ents on
this?
Mr. Cuddy: Well, my concern was and the reason I came is
because it is larger than usual and I acknowledge that, but I
don't think that it itself is a deciding criteria.
Mr. Orlowski: No, a set-off is allowed one time only on a
parcel in this circumstance.
Mr. McDonald: What is the difference in the cost of the
application between the minor subdivision and a set- off?
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 25 APRIL 9, 1990
Ms. Spiro: A set-off is $250.00 and a minor subdivision is
$500.00 per lot.
Mr. Cuddy: This by the way is not done to same that fee. If
that were the question I would volunteer the fee. It is done
because of the time problenu and also done because of the concept
problem because I don't think the minor subdivision does
anything for this particular piece.
Mr. Latham: We don't want to appear hungry for money.
Mr. Cuddy: No, I know. It is not a question of the money, we
don't mind paying the money. If the board would allow me to
submit a set-off in this case~ I would appreciate it.
Mr. McDonald: I would like to think that although it may make
sense in this one are we going to set precedence for other large
lot subdivisions that they are going to come in and say well
(inaudible). The code says that the reasons that we use, among
other things, not solely for this listing but for the
determination whether it is a subdivision or set off, it is
pretty much in our hands according to the cods.
Mr. Cuddy: To some extent but I think that literally it may
not be in your hands. I don't think that you can say that that
language ....... .
Mr. McDonald: No, but it says in making such a determination
the Planning Board shall give consideration among other things
too.
Mr. Cuddy: You can have other criteria but what I am saying
as far as the size of the parcel goes, I don't think that that
is one of the things you should be concerned about.
Mr. McDonald: But it doesn't limit us to say that that is not
one of the considerations.
Mr. Cuddy: That is true, but what I'm saying to you is that I
don't think you can re-legislate this and say it really only
means small parcels and that is why I'm here because I don't
think that can be done. I think that is going further than
(.inaudible). Also, in this case and I thinkit is absolutely
critical to get this point. We are not changing the character
of this land. If you are changing the character and I am
talking about somebody who is taking one piece and putting a
house on it, you allow even that, but here we are not even
changing the character. I think you can virtually distinguish
every other application that comes before you because that
doesn't happen. It is very rare that that is going to happen
and I have done larger pieces, by the way, than one or two acres
and I've had the board agree. Not this large.
Mr. McDonald: I'm not disagreeing.
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES 26 APRIL 9, 1990
Mr. Ward: We have a meeting this Wednesday and maybe we can get
back to you after that.
Mr. Cuddy: O.K., I appreciate that. Thank you.
Mr. Orlowski: I have nothing left on my agenda, I'll ask if
there are any questions or comments? Hearing none, any
questions from the board?
Board: No questions.
Mr. Orlowski: I think we should make a motion to adopt the
bond estimate on Cedarfields. I would like to make the
following motion.
RESOLVED to adopt the bond estimate which was revised by
the Planning Board on April 9, 1990, and to recommend same to
the Town Board. The Bond estimate is in the amount of
$430.690.00, with an inspection fee in the amount of $25,841.40.
Please not that a previous bond estimate was adopted by the
Planning Board and the Town Board. However, the revised bond
estimate, in the amount of $430,690.00 dollars, reflects the
deletion of eleven (11) street lights and the direct Burial
Cable associated with these lights.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.
motion? Ail those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Edwards,
Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski:
Mr. Orlowski:
entertain a motion to adjourn.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded.
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald~ Mr. Ward,
Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Any questions on the
Opposed? So ordered.
I have nothing more on my agenda. I'll
Any questions on the
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
27
APRIL 9, 1990
Being there was no further business to come before the board the
meeting was adjourned at 8:30 p.m.
Re~ectfutl~ubmitted,
Jane Rousseau
Temporary Secretary
Bennett Orlowski, Jr., Ch~ir~man
RECEIVED AND FILED BY
THE $OUTHOLD TOWN CLERK
wn Clerk, Town of Sonthold