HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-02/12/1991-SPLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
Bennett Orlowski, Jr., Chairman
George Ritchie Latham, Jr.
Richard G. Ward
Mark S. McDonald
Kenneth L. Edwards
Telephone (516) 765-1938
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF $OUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall. 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold. New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
SPECIAL MEETING - ANGEL SHORES PUBLIC HEARING
MINUTES
FEBRUARY 12, 1991
Present were:
Bennett Orlowski Jr., Chairman
G. Richie Latham
Richard Ward
Mark McDonald
Valerie Scopaz, Town Planner
Melissa Spiro, Planner
Jane Rousseau, Secretary
Mr. Orlowski: Good evening, I would like to call this meeting
to order. This meeting is for the pnhtic hearing on the DEIS
for Angel Shores. I will open the hearing again. This has
remained open from our last meeting. I thought I would just
like to let you know before we get started that we wilt be
conducting another public meeting and we will advertise for
March llth, we will advertise fourteen days prior to the
meeting so we are in conformance with the SEQRA regulations.
would also like to state at this time that if you have any
comments that you try to give us new ones and not repeat the
same ones as last time if possible. You will have until March
the 21st to make all of your comments which is even after the
March llth meeting. This will give you more time to review
the document which is in three libraries, Southold, Mattituck
and Cutchogue and here at Town Hall. I will ask if there are
any comments?
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Mr. Ernest H. Pappas: 75 Cedar Point Drive East~ Southold, NY.
My comments concerning the DEIS for Angel Shores are as
follows:
Referring to the Introduction~ page V, I find it
questionable that the Town has agreed upon one acre zoning in an
area that has been deemed in print and verbal language to be a
very fragile environmental space even as the wording in the
third paragraph states that the "project lies within the Peconic
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Bay and Environs Critical Environmental Area (CEA) as
designated by the Suffolk County Legislature."
I direct my co~,t~ents to the Planning Board and ask you all,
as Lead Agency and the people whom we, as taxpayers and
la!rpeople in these matters look to for guidance and protection
of our already fragile water system, to be steadfast in your
difficult task and to not rubber stamp, be cajoled, intimidated
or rushed by any pressures and to look upon this project as
though each one of you lived in the immediate area, and that
this project might impact upon you as it certainly will
adversely affect us if this project goes through and is
developed.
The Introduction of the DEIS further states that
preserving this area will constitute a benefit to public health.
I would like to think this suggests a call for more than a
one acre density, to in fact insure the public health referred
to in the Introduction.
Item ~3, page 6, states that any development of this land
might adversely affect the drinking water supply and constitute
a threat to public safety.
I respectfully submit, that the very inclusion of this
statement is clear evidence of the concerns we all have been
voicing here and ask you, the Planning Board, to please address
these items fully.
Item 95 on this same page, also goes into the hydrological
sensitivity and aquifer, which could be adversely affected by
change, and change is exactly what the developer has in mind.
What is important here is that this area has been
critically affected in the past by self-serving commercial
interests, who without doing their homework and carefully
checking the type of aquifer that exists here in this fragile
area, caused Temik to pollute our ground water and required us
to have filters located at great distances from the plowed
land. As food for thought, I might hasten to add, potential and
future medical problems and complications are still an unknown
concern, as the saying goes; all the reports are not in as yet!
In a letter dated 3/1/89, and contained in the DES, there
appears the following statement and I quote;" .... in the opinion
of the Town Attorney, new zoning amendments establish a two acre
zoning on the entire parcel...", unquote. I would like to
state that I couldn't agree more.
On page 1-30, the DEIS avers that the developer wants to
maximize the towns natural assets including its local and
agricultural base. Is that accomplished by covering the land
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with roads and homes and despoiling the land and water supply
and its quality? How does he propose to do this?
The writer of the DEIS states that land use patterns are
sensitive to the limited indigenous water supply and will not
degrade subsurface water quality. Those are the words in the
DEIS, not mine. I am not sure what that means except he
admits to the limited water but still wants to over develop and
would he post a bond to insure our pure water and its limited
supply if he is so sure?
Further, on page 1-30, there is written the intent to
preserve and enhance the towns natural environment including
waterways, wetlands, tidal marshes, etc. I view that with great
reservation being in the construction industry for forty years.
How this can even be stated, when we have seen what
non-construction runoff has done to our creeks in the adjacent
areas just from agriculture.
There are continuous references to water quality and
surface water quality; all purporting to not harm anyone. Who
will step forward and guarantee this, knowing what has been
documented. The DEIS contains a letter dated 11/30/83, which
states there is only limited water available to shallow wells;
most of my neighbors and I have shallow wells!
The DEIS claims that the Agricultural-Conservation status
of this area would be maintained. Actually, the opposite would
ocour. This projected development would not contribute towards
retaining the agricultural and rural environment. On the
contrary, it would create another tract development, rushing us
all headlong into overpopulation and the inability of this area
to support the kind of growth that this developer envisions.
I shall now address my comments to the roadways. The
DEIS talks about access roads. On 2/27/89, there was a
written request from Valerie Scopaz for clear proof showing
what roads would be used and the effects on the neighboring
associations private roads. I am requesting a mueh more
definitive explanation, so that it would be clear to the general
public what is actually proposed. In addition, I feel that the
traffic survey was inconclusive, insufficient, flawed, and
prejudiced. A one day test is a non-test. At least, let it be
conducted during the summer months, or more than one day, plus a
holiday weekend to at least approach some realistic numbers.
I also noticed that the "Drainage Shed Map"
Figure $6, clearly shows that the general flow is East and South
predominantly towards the Cedar Beach Park Association in
addition to the majority of the surface runoff which in the past
has inundated Cedar Beach Road, contaminated the creek causing
ecological damage, and put tons of silt into the creek bottom
seriously affecting the biological balance and the food chain in
our creeks and estuaries.
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To sum up my comments, I recognize that the Planning Board
is not the CIA, but I would hope that the board would accept
the responsibility of being the standard bearer in the effort to
preserve our water supply and its quality, that there are
mitigating measures such, as runoff into our creeks, and to
protect our way of life.
I also hope that all agencies and the people whose duty is
to look after the greater common good, do not abrogate their
responsibility to the present or to the future.
Thank you for the opportunity to present my comments and I
would ask you in closing to put yourselves in our position.
Mr. Orlowski: Any other comments?
Cecilia Loucka: I represent Terry Waters Property Owners
Association. It is well known that everyone living in the area
around Angel Shores has a legitimate concern about the drinking
water. As stated on page 2-46 of the current DEIS the five
test wells that were placed on Section I of Angle Shores showed
very poor results, thereby necessitating the Suffolk County
Health Department to require a central water supply. Further,
in reference to page 2-64 it states that according to the Long
Island 208 study, saltwater intrusion has been found where
intensive pumping has occurred in concentrated areas.
I have questions concerning the drinking water:
When the testing was done on the present water system,
downdraw tests were conducted which showed minimal downdraw,
but is there a way to test if there was intrusion of salt water
that displaced the fresh water that was pumped out during the
test?
Who is going to enforce the NYS DEC rule, page 2-57, that
there will be no irrigating with the water from the Angel Shores
well? We have already observed irrigation in operation at the
Cove during the summer of 1990. Who investigates the source of
this water? I understand that Mr. Laoudis has a right to
supply water for the proposed development Angel Shores.
However, I do not see his right to supply water to the Cove
development. This additional demand for thirty-three units may
very well cause adjacent homeowners problems with their existing
wells. Over 40% of the water from this system will be pumped
out of the area almost a mile away to the Cove.
Who is going to manage the well system now that the Greenport
Utility Department has terminated its contract to supply
maintenance and operational support for the water plant, as per
recent newspaper articles?
As per special condition ~10 of the NYS DEC well permit, page
2-53, "provisions shall be made to provide an adequate supply of
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water to those residents whose private well water systems are
diminished or rendered nonproductive by the use of the wells
developed by the permittee". That is an exact quote. What
provisions have been made to comply with this provision? Is it
possible to require a surety bond to cover any future problems?
Will the permit be cancelled or restricted if problems develop?
It is of utmost importance that these questions be answered
satisfactorily before final approval is given to this project.
You are the lead agency. The DEC can pull that permit.
Robert E. Mitchell: Chairman Orlowski, I want to thank you
and the gentlemen and the ladies up there for giving us this
opportunity to have another public hearing on this. We did
finally come and read the Draft Environmental Impact Statement
and so not to waste this Board's time, I want to thank you very
much for coming again to do this. You would all rather be home
I am sure. It is an interesting document and the one thing I
found that was most interesting was is why we would have it at
all? One of the things they said was that Southold could use a
decreased tax base and I think that is wonderful. The tax on
that propertY is farmland but once this DEIS Impact Statement
is accepted, you can all tax it as forty-nine building lots.
There are many of us here that will see that is done. Well,
anyway, I want to thank you all for hearing us again tonight.
Mr. Francea will give our comments so we don't all do the
same thing four times over.
Mr. Frank Francea: I would like to apologize for the fact
that we are going to be redundant in some of these things
because some people have made independent statements and of
course, if you read the sameDEIS, and of course you come up
with the same questions. I'll read it as we put it together for
those of us of the Cedar Beach Park Association have met several
times during the week.
The Cedar Beach Park Association (CBPA) represents 60
homeowners, and therefore is concerned about the impact of the
Angel Shores development on our properties and the area's
environment. We have read the DEIS and find it deficient in
several areas. We need to be assured that these areas are
addressed by the Planning Board before it accepts the DEIS.
These areas, including water supply, roads and traffic, and
layout of the subdivision are defined in the following
statements:
WATER SUPPLY:
A-1 letter from Suffolk County Board of Health,
dated 11/30/83. This letter specifies that water
for Angel Shores must be provided from a central
water supply and not from individual home wells.
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The DEIS should specifically acknowledge this
statement and stipulate clearly that individual
wells would be prohibited. In a clear statement.
The DEIS states that water from the central supply
could not be used for "unnecessary purposes...
including lawn watering". This statement exists
in the DEIS. It should be clearly stated that
homeowners would be prohibited from any such
unnecessary use of water and there should be a
covenant and restriction to cover that point
probably even in the deed.
We believe that the DEIS should specifically
acknowledge that the developer understands these
restrictions and that prospective property buyers
will be prohibited from the unnecessary use of
water and from drilling individual wells, and this
fact should be disclosed to the buyers.
It should also be acknowledged that water from this
central supply can only be used by the forty-nine
owners in Angel Shores and the thirty-three units in
The Cove.
The DEIS should contain assurances that the Board
of Health has certified adequate water supply for
both projects: Angel Shores and The Cove which of
course add up to a total of eight-two units. Not the
forty-nine.
The DEIS states that the Greenport Water District
has assumed operation of the central water supply.
I understand now from tonights comment that that
might not be true anymore. The DEIS should specify
who owns the supply, whether the Greenport Water
District will continue with the operating agreement
and is it tied to a similar agreement with The Cove,
and what would happen if the agreement with the
Greenport Water District is cancelled for any reason
on both sides?
We request that the DEIS guarantee that if the water
supply or water quality of Cedar Beach Park Association
residents is impacted as a result of the Angel Shores
project, that the Greenport Water District would be
obligated to extend their services of potable water
to impacted residents. That would be Cedar Beach
Park Association.
We further request that Greenport Water District shall
not be allowed to just spot zone areas of service which
can impact adjoining areas. I would like to digress a
moment from reading my statement. A while back, ebout
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a year and one-half ago, some developers came along and
wanted to do some developing at the foot of Jacobs Lane
and he asked the Greenport Water District to go in there
and put in a central supply. The whole of Hogs Neck is
part of the Greenport's Water District and I don't
believe that the water district should be allowed to
spot zone the individual for central supply. If you
are going to do an area you should have to do the whole
area because the whole area is fed from the same
aquifer.
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Reference 321 in the DEIS refers to a design report
of a test of forty-eight hours of continues drawdown
at the rate of sixty gallons a minute produced
~negligible impact up to one-hundred feet away.
Although this test is the basis for concluding
that there is an adequate water supply, and the
DEIS states that it includes this copy of the
report, we found no such copy. Couldn't find it
in the report. It should be included.
10.
Item 2-55: The New York State Department of
Environmental Conservation permit specified special
conditions. We request that the Planning Board certify
that all of these conditions have been met for this
Particular project.
That covers the water. Now the Roads and Access:
I refer you to map 90 which is the original
subdivision map of Cedar Beach Park Association.
There should be in the DEI$ an absolute guarantee
that neither Sections I nor II of the Angel Shores
plan has any rights to use Cedar Point Rd. West or
Cedar Beach Roads. These are roads privately
maintained by the Cedar Beach Point Association.
The page 1-3 reference to "Title Insurance Guarantee"
should specifically apply to Little Peconic Bay Road,
only. Which is also on map 90.
This restriction of course, also applies to
Cedar Beach Park Association residents' private
beaches at the foot of Inlet Way and at the foot of
Cedar Point Drive East should not go down to the
private beaches.
The DEIS bases the conditions relative to traffic on
Main Bayview Road on a single survey done on April 15,
1987 and a formula extrapolating summer and weekend
traffic as a percentage of this number. We find this
method faulty and question the conclusion and
methodology. The calculation of determining traffic
congestion should include an actual survey taken on a
representative summer day. There was and still is
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ample time to take such a survey and include it in
a DEIS submitted for approval to the Planning Board..
As for the layout of the subdivision, the Board must assure
that the subdivision remain inviolate after approval; that is
there can be no future application to use any of the buffer
zones presently shown. Thank you for your time.
Charlie Michele: I live in Cedar Beach Park. At the risk of
a slight overlap because I want to talk about the water too but
perhaps I can add a new dimension to it.
The Angel Shores DEIS includes several ambiguous points
which may lead to future controversy and litigation unless
clarified now; to wit:
1. Ref. Pg. A-1 Suffolk County Department of Health
letter dated 11-30-83 states (re: the applicants re~est for
development) and I quote "since wells located on each individual
lot would of necessity be very shallow and there would be a
limited amount of quality water, this application will be
approved only if a central water supply is provided."
Does this mean that individual lot wells
are forbidden or does it mean that the developer
must only provide a central water supply of
quality water and that individual lot owners
are free to put down wells for so-called
non-essential lower quality water?
If the intent was to forbid individual lot wells
does the Suffolk County Department of Health
Services have the means to enforce the restriction
or is this dependent upon the Building Department's
interpretation of the subject clause since they are
responsible for controlling the related permits?
2. Next reference page 2-57 special condition ~9 attaching
to the DEC permit to construct a central water supply
installation states that "steps should be taken via covenants or
use restrictions to prohibit use of the water supply system for
non-essential purposes such as lawn irrigation".
3. Given that the homeowner is apparently precluded from
putting down his own well and from using his source of essential
water for non-essential purposes, how do you square the
statements included in the "mitigating factors section of the
DEIS (pages A-8/9) wherein the developer proposes to limit the
amount of fertilizer used for plants and lawn and to limit the
amount of total lot area given over the lawns?
The disconnect here is that no homeowner would invest
in landscaping without possessing the means to protect his
investment, i.e. ability to sprinkle. Does the developer
anticipate that (a) each lot owner will put down his own
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irrigation well point so that eventually there might be as many
as forty-nine additional wells tapping into the aquifer or
(b) each lot owner will ignore the DEC prohibition against using
house water for sprinkling (not to mention swimming pools)?
Clearly, the only alternative would be for each homeowner to
collect rain water in a system but this is not suggested in the
DEIS.
Unless these points are resolved before approval of the
DEIS, a not far fetched scenario might find a drought
situation, say five to ten years from now, with the Angel Shores
homeowners attempting to save their landscaping investment by
the use of sprinklers while some surrounding area homeowners are
experiencing a deterioration of their drinking water. Will the
homeowners hunting for essential water blame their problem on
the drought or will they seek injunctions, damages and/or other
legal remedies from the Angel Shores people and the Town of
Southold. This is precisely the sort of problem the Planning
Board was established to prevent.
Sophia Adler: I appreciate the remarks by the Chairman of our
Homeowners Association in Cedar Beach where I live but I have a
few remarks that I would like to say even thought they might be
poorly arranged. I have only come to grips with the situation
within the last few days, within this last week really. We have
lived in Cedar Beach for over twenty years, all year round.
This is where we are and during this time we have experienced
the character of the water table and that is what I want to talk
about. The fluctuations in the quality of the water have
sensitized us to its shallow vulnerable character and changeable
character from which our private well draws the water for our
home use. We know for instance that for quite a few years in a
row the Health Department warned us that salt intrusion made our
water unpotable but later we needed no warning an~ we became
aware and watched for the changes both in rain and in weather
and how it affected this shallow water aquifer under us from
which all of us drew our water. Now, for the past year, for
instance, following the end of a long drought when we lived with
salt water and we went to Greenport or the Town of Southold to
get our drinking water. In the last year, the water has become
sweet and we have enjoyed coffee and tea and watering our house
plants all year round but, we know only too well that this water
table is vulnerable to Changes which we may or may not
understand but they happen. When I discovered this portion of
the environmental, the Department of Environmental Conservation
in Section II of page 57 and I know this is repetitious, the DEC
lists these special conditions on which a permit will be granted
to Angel Shores and in the face of what we have experienced, I
recognize that the DEC, in spelling out these kind of
conditions, the ninth point in section II page 57, which if I
repeat again, stepsshould be taken, the use restriction to
prohibit the use of the water system for non-essential purposes,
such as lawn irrigation, and the lawn irrigation is the only
point that they make in this Draft Environmental Statement but
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yOU know people like to put in swimming pools too and people
want to water their gardens too and people want to live here the
way everyone else does. I don't know what kind of people would
want to come out here, there might be people desperate enough
that would want to live in a place where they can't even take
care of their lawns or their surroundings when it needs water
but I do understand it is possible for a developer to be
satisfied to claim to fulfill such conditions in their covenants
and deeds and perhaps the homeowner won't notice it and buy
anyway or perhaps the homeowner will think why worry about it,
Southold isn't going to provide policemen all year round and all
night and all day to watch so that they don't water during a
drought. I can understand the developer who wants to get his
money out of the situation but I can not understand that the
Southold Planning Board with their eyes open can agree to such a
kind of a community in the midst of Southold. The co~t,~unity
which is called Angel Shores and it is my private opinion that
this restriction could be better called. It is a scandalous and
a syntonic restriction. If we expect to live and have a
co~m~unitybuilt with that kind of a restriction it is going to
impact terribly on Southold. Not only on the surrounding homes
but on the reputation of a community that would allow that kind
of a disaster. Thank you.
Mr. Orlowski: Any other co~.L~ents?
Mr. Robert E. Mitchell: Just one last conu.ent, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you for holding this second hearing on this subject. I
assume you will either accept or not accept the Draft
Environmental Impact Statement and I guess it is actually called
a final Environmental Impact Statement which you have the option
to have a hearing on or not. In considering the comments you
heard on it tonight, it probably would be a good idea to have a
hearing on it. Winston Churchill said was (inaudible). I know
the town attorney is not here but could you give us the rest of
the process for Angel Shores? I am sure the DEIS has a
preliminary hearing on a site plan and a final hearing on the
site plan which is fully engineered and so forth. Could I ask
you to comment on what the rest of the process is?
Mr. Orlowski: Well, we will either accept or reject after the
next hearing. Actually, after March 21st, after all the
comments are made.
Mr. Mitchel: That will be the draft, right?
Mr. Orlowski: Yes, and then at that time the Board would have
the option to move on to the final and we'll probably do the
final ourselves, in house and if the Board wishes, we will hold
another public hearing on that.
Mr. Mitchel: Do you then have to have a preliminary site plan
proceeding?
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Mr. Orlowski: Yes, There will be a preliminary subdivision
hearing on the subdivision. After preliminary there will be a
final hearing in the final subdivision.
Mr. Mitchel: Well, can I ask this? I know people look at the
draft site plan. Do you have to have a hearing on preliminary
site plan and then you have to have it fully engineered?
Mr. Orlowski: Yes. Preliminary is basically the layout and
then the final is drawn up with all the road specifications and
gradings. That will be in the final hearing.
Mr. Mitchel: Is there any chance that they may change what
we've seen in the Draft Environmental Impact Statement?
Mr. Orlowski: It could, yes.
Mr. Mitchel: What would you say the time table would be?
Mr. Orlowski: I couldn't say.
Mr. Mitchel: O.K., thank you.
Gee Gee Spates - Excuse me, I would like to speak. I didn't
realize we were at the end.
Valerie Scopaz: I just would like to make one thing clear.
If you have any questions during any stage of the process of the
review, feel free to come into the office and the staff will
explain where we are in the process as we go along. The files
are open to the public at any time. The office is open from 9 to
5. If you want to come in and just keep track of where the
project is, feel free to do that.
Mr. Mitchel: Well, you are very kind. Thank you very much.
Gee Gee Spates: I live at Main Bayview Road in Southold. You
are familiar faces to me over the years dealing with this
development. I would like to speak on something that I don't
think has been spoken on before by anyone including' the
developer and his staff and that is concern about PUblic access
to the pond to What some of us in the local community consider a
ice skating pond. About three years ago I was talking to my own
child and a couple of her friends and they, all teenages,
developed what I would call sort of an informal petition and I
have been holding it all these years for tonight I guess. What
it says very briefly is, to the Southold Town Government: This
is a letter we want to send to you about the ice Skating pond in
our neighborhood. It is on Main Bayview Road in Southold four
streets past the triangle at Jacobs Lane, then down the hill
across from the old Archdavis House where they want to put the
Angel Shores development. The ice skating pond provides a good
place for both ice hockey and figure skating. It is a good size
pond that freezes easily for ice skating without plants sticking
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up. The pond is a very convenient place for kids who don't
drive and for parents so they don't have to schlep their kids
all over. The pond is close to the street but not close enough
to cause an accident. It is a beautiful place where you can see
wildlife like deer. Considering all the people that use the
pond for ice skating, the area stays pretty clean. It is bad
enough taking away the land where we take nature walks but
please, don't take away our only good ice skating pond. As I
said, that was written by three pre-teen and teenagers and was
later signed by approximately, mostly kids, a couple of adult
kids but mostly kid kids from the neighborhood. I would like to
submit this now and as final proof as this could only be done by
children, this last page has everything on it. This was in a
teenagers car for many weeks and he kept saying to me
Mrs. Spates, I have that and I will get it to you sooner or
later. So just to sum up for them, my concern about having
continued public access to the fresh water pond that is up by
Main Bayview, it has been used by more than just ice skaters,
people go there and bird watch and just sit by the shore and
meditate or whatever. It is an aesthetic use and I hope this
will be taken into consideration as to any other public access
that is aestmetic to the whole Angel Shores site. That would
include the swiimuing down at the beach and so forth but I
especially wanted to talk about the pond and that is all I want
to say about that. Just briefly, because so many people tonight
have addressed the water use and restriction of the
non-essential water use, I wanted to comment that, and I'm kind
of reiterating their concern that this is a very difficult thing
to police after people move in and I think Sophia Adler sort of
adequately stated how much people do want to sprinkle themselves
in hot water or whatever. I think it is very important that the
Planning Board address this issue in a more thorough way and how
that might be done might be through either restricted lawn size
or, going a little further, it might mean that the lot size
itself would actually be diminished and whatever one is calling
it the buffer zone, the wildlife corridor might be expanded into
the person's so that the person really wouldn't be allowed, I
guess because he really wouldn't own that property. That part
of his parcel would really become part of the communal buffer or
whatever it is called. I think that would be the better way of
handling it. Myself being in involved in the buffer zone
alongside of the Quogue Wildlife Refuge down in Quogue, and
it is very difficult for homeowners to continueto remember that
they are not suppose to tear apart theirwoods in the back or
develope into the back area that is suppose to be buffered, so I
hope the Planning Board will take that very seriously. Thank
yOU.
Donald Spates: I live on Main Bayview Road. I have only had
a chance to briefly run down to the Southold Library to verify
that indeed the telephone book size DEIS is there. Two things
I want to say, first of all, on a specific nature I did peek at
the map. There were a few maps and I was a little bit confused
by what your talking about, I guess what you guys call building
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envelopes I would like you to also consider the possibility of
doing a similar type of restriction on the Peconic Bay front
lots, most of which lie on the wrong side of the FEMA one
hundred year flood line that has been drawn through the map at
least according to the way I read it. It seems to me that if
there were such a restriction on the area on the lot that the
owner could build on then that would cut down on the possibility
for bulkheading or jetty or whatever might develop sometime in
the future. Really, what I wanted to briefly say was that I
hope that you will consider the concept of total planning,
basically your jobs here as planners in a more overall or
generic sort of a way. Many people here have commented upon Hog
Neck as being an entity, which it is. We like to consider it to
be a fairly fragile entity and I think that my neighbors here
are expressing their concerns about it. You, as the Planning
Board are intimately familiar not only with the Angel Shores
development but up the road the connected Cove development which
has an inordinate amount of density in there. Recently we had
occasion to come down to Town Hall here and discuss the
Bayview Woods development, the Fuchs and Fischetti
development, which is also, why for some reason, zoned to higher
than usual density. I guess what I would like to say is that I
would like to hOpe that the Board would be reminded to look at a
lot of the overall planning that is taking place. The
development on Hog Neck and make whatever necessary
reco~m~lendations they feel to take all of these developments into
consideration in dealing with the Angel Shores application.
Thank you.
Robert Morse: I live in Cedar Beach also. I don't have the
reference on the DEIS but there was a chart showing some type
of test well mostly in the Southwest corner of the plot and I
don't understand how any conclusion can be made from that
limited amount. One well tested in Cedar Beach but nothing to
the east at all and there are many wells over there. Many of
them were impacted with the Temik at the time they had the
problem and there is no reference to that at all in the DEIS.
I don't understand how that can be excepted in that condition.
Thank you.
Mr. Orlowski: Any other comments? Hearing none, I will
entertain a motion to close this hearing.
Mr. McDonald: I make a motion we close this hearing.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on
this motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
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Mr. Orlowski: I will also entertain a motion to set Monday,
March 1i, 1991 at 7:45 p.m. for a p~blic hearing on the Draft
Environmental Impact Statement dated December, 1990.
Fir. Latham: Move it.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: I think it is explanatory where we are going
from here to everybody that is here. I explained it before the
meeting started so there will be another hearing on the llth
and you still have until March the 21st to put all your
comments in writing to the office. Thank you for coming. I
would like to make a motion that we adjourn.
Mr. McDonald: I move we adjourn.
Cecelia Louka: Can I ask a question?
want reiteration of tonights co~muents?
cotm,ents ?
The next hearing, you
Do you want new
Mr. Orlowski: We would always like to have new comments. We
see the major problems but ---.
Cecelia Loucka: Can you explain why you are having another
hearing because the notice in the newspaper was not fourteen
days in advance of the first hearing?
Mr. Orlowski: Yes. Ail those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Being there was no further business to come before the Board,
the meeting was adjourned at 8:30 p.m..
nett Orlowski Jr., ~an