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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-04/18/1994PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS Richard G. Ward, Chairman George Ritchie Latham. Jr. Ben nett Orlowski, Jr. Mark S. McDonald Kenneth L. Edwards PLANNING BOARD OFFICE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Roac~ P. O. Box 1179 Southold, New York 11971 Fax (516) 765-3136 Telephone (516) 765-1938 MINUTES April 18, 1994 Preserll~ were: Abserlt: Mark McDona ci O. Ritchie Latham Kenneth Edwards Bennett Odowski, Jr, Valerie Scopaz, Town Planner Melissa Spiro, Planner Robert G, Kassner, Site Plan Reviewer Martha A, Jones, Secretary Richard G. Ward, Chairman Mr. Orlowski: I'd like to call the April 18, 1994 Planning Board meeting to order. The first order of business, the Board to set Monday, May 9, 1994, at 7:30 P.M. at Southold Town Hall, Main Rd. Southold as the time and the place for the next Planning Board meeting. Mr. Edwards: So moved. Mr. McDonald: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded, All in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr, Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Southold Town Planning Board 2 April 18, t994 PUBUC HF_AI~INOS Mr. Orlowski: 7::50 P.M. Stephen and Donna Dzu.qas-Smith - This proposa is to set off a 0.7:5 acre parcel from an existing 29.042 acre parcel located on the southwest corner of County I~oad 48 and Tucker Lane in Southold. SCTM# 1000- 59-10-6.1. We have proof of publication in the local papers and at this time everything is in order for a public heanng. I'll ask if there are any objections to this set off? Hearing none, is anyone in favor of this set off? Hearing none, is there anyone out there, neither pro nor con, who may have information pertaining to this set off that would be of interest to the Board? Any questions from the Board? Mr. Latham? Mr. Latham: No Mr. OrlowsKi: Mr. McDonald? Mr. McDonald: None. Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Edwards? Mr. Edwards: No. Mr. Orlowski: Valerie? Ms. Scopaz: No. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to close the hearing. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and Seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered Mr. McDonald: I'd like to make a further motion that WHEI~EAS, Donna Dzugas-Smith is the owner of the property known and designated as SCTM# 1000-59-10-6.1, located at t~e southwest corner of County I~oad 48 and Tucker Lane in Southold; and WHEREAS, this clustered minor subdivision is for 2 lots on 29.042 acres; and WHEREAS, the Southold Town Plann ng Board, pursuant to the State Environmenta quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617, declared itself lead agency and issued a Southold Town Planning Board 3 April 18, t994 Negative Declaration on December 13, 1993; and WHEREAS, a final public hearing was closed on said subdivision application at the Town Hall, Southold, New York on April 18, 1994; and WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town of Southold will be met upon the fulfillment of the following conditions; be it therefore RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant conditional final approval on the surveys dated March 15, 1994, and authorize the Chairman to endorse the final surveys subject to fulfillment of the following conditions. All conditions must be met within six (6) months of the date of this resolution. The draft Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions must be reviewed Dy the Planning Board and the Town Attorney. Once approved, the document must be filed in the office of the County Clerk and the Liber and Page number of the recorded document must be noted on the final map. Final maps, (5 paper copies and 2 mylars) all containing a valid stamp of approval from the Health Department, and the Liber and Page number of the recoraed Declaration must be submitted. Mr. Edwards: Second the motion. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT UNE CHANGES AND SET OFF APPUCATIONS Final Determinations: Mr. Orlowski: West Mill Subdivision (M. Paul Friedber,q) - This major subdivision is for 9 lots on 22.105 acres located on the west side of West Mill Rd.; 1102.15 feet south of Naugles Drive in Mattituck. SCTM# t000-106-9-4. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make the following motion that WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board granted conditional final approval to the major cluster subdivision known as West Mill Subdivision on May 3, 1993; and Southold Town Planning Board 4 April 18, 1994 WHEREAS, all conditions of final approval have been fulfilled; be it therefore, RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board-authorize the Chairman to endorse the final survey dated April 12, 1993, together with the final road profile and drainage plan dated January 11, 1993 Mr. Edwards: Second the motion. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded Any questions on the motion? Al in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. (CHAIRMAN ENDORSED SURVEY) Bond Release: Mr. Orlowski: Wolf Pit Estates - This approved major subdivision is for 13 lots on 65.381 acres, in Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-107-4-2.1. Mr. Edwards: I11 make a motion. BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to the Town Boa rd that the Performance Bond in the amount of $159,621.00 for the above mentioned subdivision be released. Mr. Latham: Second the motion. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS. LOT UNE CHANGES. SET OFF APPUCATIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUAIJTY REVIEW ACT Lead Agency Coordination: Mr. Orlowski: Thomas A. Palmer and Joan C. 0ibbs - This lot line change is to subtrac[ 9,300 square feet from a 21,500 square foot parcel and add it to an Southold Town Planning Board 5 April 18, 1994 11,900 square foot parcel SCTM# 1000-123-4-4 & 5. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, make a motion that BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Enviro nmental Quality Review Act, start the coordination process on this Type I action Mr. Edwards: Second the motion. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes:: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Demetrios Tetris & Goose Creek Lane Associates - This lot line change is to subtract 2,914 square feet from a 48,655 square foot parcel owned ~y Demetrios A. Tertis, and to add it to a 58,352.8 square foot right-of-way owned by Goose Creek Lane Associates, Inc. located in Southold. SCTM# 1000-78-8-21 and 79-2-5.7. Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman I'd like to entertain a motion that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, start the lead agency coordination process on this Type I action. Mr. McDonald: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. SITE PLANS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUAUTY REVIEW ACT Determinations: Mr. Orlowski: Brauns Oyster Company - This site plan is for a proposed 2,700 square foot addition to an existing storage building in Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000- Southold Town Planning Board 6 April 18, 1994 103-I-I, 2 & 3. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Cha rman, I make a motion that BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, assumes lead agency status, and as lead agency ma kes a determination of non-significance, and grants a Negative Declaration. Mr. Edwards: Second the motion. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Jas[a Inc. (Formerly Raz-Ma-Taz) - This site plan is for a sports bar to be located in a vacant building that was formerly a drinking establishment, on Main Rd. in Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-122-6-36. Mr. McDonald: Mr. Chairman, I make ~ motion that BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmenta Quality Review Act, assumes lead agency status, and as lead agency makes a determination of non-significance and grants a Negative Declaration Mr. Edwards: Second the motion. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded Any questions on the motion? Al those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: Under other business, reports to the Town Board on Formula Food Legislation ana Environmental Review. Mr, McDonald: I move we send those recommendations to the Town Board. Mr. Edwards: Second. Southold Town Planning Board 7 April 18, 1994 Mr. Orlowski: Motio~ made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES Mr. Orlowski: Board to approve the minutes for the special meeting held on April I, 1994. Mr. McDonald: Moved. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered. Mr. Orlowski: We have people here from Bidwel Vineyards to discuss their site plan. James Bidwell: This is the new rendering that you recuested. I'd like to just briefly point out that we had the architects make a rendering of the side of the building that we thought you were most concerned with, which was the eastern side. So that's the view of the side that we seem to have the most trouble with and we've added all the suggested recommendations to it. Bob Bayley: There's a couple of things that should be noted Number one, the view is eye level so that would be in a sense the most typical way you'd see the buildings. The first time seeing that I was surprised at how modest the new building is when you take into account the large warehouse building in the back that's now the winery. So up to this time, seeing the single building by itself, the new building, was misleading. It was misleading to me because it always seemed bigger than perhaps the winery building. Now that we see the winery building and the new building in the same scale; in the same rendering, Ithink it's quite apparent that the new building doesn't overwhelm the site or overwhelm the passerby, and you can also see the figure in there of the person standing there. Southold Town Planning Board 8 April 18, 1994 Mr. Orlowski: You made the columns a little wider on the corners now? Mr. Bayley: No it's the same. There are some other things here which have been deleted at the suggestion of the Board at previous meetings. The client asked that the pylons which came probably in this direction, if you could look at it from here, the pylons separated the traffic and parking area from the back site overflow parking and they were removed, along with the tower that was at one time called the sign tower, was removed from the site. These are obviously controversial items because they probably or m~ght have, had this Board approved it, they might become accessory buildings by interpretation of the code and therefore required Board of Appeals ruling. Having long discussions about it, even though the client did not want to remove these items for other reasons, they were removed. James Bidwelh One other quick point is there was a suggestion earlier on that we put a peaked roof along this part of the building here. think this illustrates nicely how, in the entire scheme of things, de-emphasE~ng that building and bringing the focus around to the other side and addressing this portion of the building is in the final presentation that may be much more advantageous than drawing attention to that building any more than ~s necessary, and I think the architects repeated that alit and I think that maybe here it shows that they might have had a pretty valid point. Mr. Latham: Is this in the same position? It seems closer, this new building, to this. Mr. Bidwelh It's the prospective. Mr Bayley: You also see that the one star building has stucco on it now and it's clear that it is not block. It is block of course, right now, but from the beginning the plan was to re-color it so that it would be less obtrusive and less industrial looking, and clearly that's apparent in the rendering. Mr. McDonald: That's a prospective from eye level from about how far away do you think? Mr. Bidwelh Probably somewhere around the driveway. (Everyone talking) Mr. Kassner: According to the site plan, the metal Mor~on building is L-shaped to the west. /n other words, this building is to the west of the concrete (inaudible) as is the pavilion, it's wesT. (Everyone talking) Mr. McDonald: You're looking this way. Now if you're looking face on to that right angle...from here you wouldn't see that back side of that building at all. Depending, if you were here. That's why I said how far away is this from. If you're here, you start to see that building, but if you move in, you lose, behind this Southold Town Planning Board 9 April 18, 1994 corner, you lose all of that building. Which is why I asked about how far away you thought that this was. Mr. Bidwelh It's probably from somewhere around where the driveway meets 48, in that vicinity. (Everyone talking.) Inaudible. Everyone talking. Mr. Bayley: Just by comparison, think we might all agree that the change to more transparency, more glass rather than, like you'l see on here which was plexiglass, I have to admit this is an improvement. The architect might not agree but I think it's an improvement. And I like the fact that although this seemed rather austere, I know Mark has made that comment in the past, austere perhaps because of the blankness of the wall and the windows up high. One thing that is apparent in this is that the building is more friendly looking. It seems very obvious to me. naudible. Everyone talking. Mr. McDonald: I'm wondering if we should go out of session. You're welcome to stay on the record, that's no problem, but it's following it.., Mr. Orlowski: Well, tonight you're looking for us to... Mr. Bayley: What we need to do, obviously, is we need some kind of closure on this because the clock is ticking for the Bidwells. Mr. McDonald: Dick had asked for a list of priority order when you were going to execute which parts of the plan. Am I mistaken? Mr. Bayley: He did and the answer to that is that the...am I right Oary and Jim...that the site work that is forward of all the buildings and is seen from the street is all going to be part of the first phase. Mr. McDonald: What would the second phase consist of? Interiors? Mr. Bidwelh Yes, in an ideal situation and most probably phase one is the entire project. Mr. McDonald: So the plan wouldn't show any phasing in any case, so it wouldn't matter from our standpoint, becadse you're going to handle all that part right in the first phase, no matter what. Mr. Bidwell: Yes, unless we get bids that we just completely don't expect. Mr. McDonald: I wish we had Dick here who had generated the list. He had made Southold Town Planning Board 10 April 18, 1994 specific comments to you, I remember he made a list of specific comments for you to come back with. Mr. Bayley: There have been so many lists, I'm really not sure of which list you're talking about, so we're guessing, perhaps. So what maybe we need to do is talk to Richard and we'll show him this. Mr. McDonald: Why don't we leave it all for now. Leave everything you've got right now and we'll get Dick in during the week and take a look at it and see if we can get your closure. Mr, Bayley: Will he be available this week? Ms. Spiro: He just said he was out of town tonight. Mr. Bayley: I'd just like to bring you up to date on the Board of Appeals action because they have asked us for the seven sets which they need to take the site plan to, which hope will be, the last public hearing of the Board, and that's going to be rvlay 4th or 5th. I know that isn't directly related to what you're doing but it would be very significant to the Bidwell's if the site plan, as we now see it, is approved. Mr. McDonald: It can't get approved until after they grant special exception, in any case. There's just no way we can do that. Mr. Bayley: I understand that, but if we can say that the features as they are situated... Inaudible, everyone talking. Mr. McDonald: Basically what happens is, they ask us, assuming that everything else is alright here, would this be alright with you, and we say, yes or no. So that's what we're trying to reach Mr. Bayley: I think that's what we're looking for. Mr. McDonald: What did you ask them for? Did you ask them for multiple principal dwellings? Mr. Bayley: We asked the Board of Appeals to approve the site plan with the understanding that the new building, which I interpreted as not an accessory building, they may in fact interpret as and accessory building even though it is not subordinate to the main building as the definition requires it to be, if it's an accessory building. So, in a sense, it's in their hands. Southold Town Planning Board 11 April 18, 1994 Mr. McDonald: So you said, look we've got this problem, you guys decide what to do. Mr. Bayley: They haven't yet decided so... Mr. Kassner: You're before them for a special exception, right, for a winery? Mr. Bayley: That's right, but there's the issue, asking for an accessory building in the front yard is not normally part of the special exception. One has to do with use, and the other has to do with location. I'm not certain that they're willing to tie the two together. Though they haven't officially said so, because that haven't officia Ily.. Mr. Bidwelh I believe they indicated that's the direction we should go in. Mr. McDonald: They're going to hear it inside of the special exception Mr. Bayley: I think that anyone looking at the site would have to conclude that where else could you put a building, except in the front yard, and where else would you want to put a building, particularly a building that would dramatically improve what's there, which is not as appealing. naudible. Everyone talking. Mr. Bidwelh I think the family is also pleased with the changes, think we went in a good direction also. Mr. Bayley: I'd like to find out, for the record, that there were some other things done to the site plan to accommodate some comments or to respond to some comme ~ts about incomplete grading information. To the best of my knowledge, every item that Dick Ward brought up has been addressed. This is a working print that you're welcome to borrow - I'd like to get it back - this was the instruction from the architect to the surveyor on this particular phase. Every one of the red marked items is a change from the previous site plan to the present site plan. There was additional drainage added to the center of the courtyard to accommodate level site drainage into a drywell, which none of us are quite certain whether it's required, but it's possible that it is required as Dick Ward suggested it might be, so it was shown. Of course, that depends on the percolation of the ground there. We don't know for sure. Mr: Orlowski: It percolates. It goes down like a sponge over there. Mr. BidweJ: You couldn't make a puddle last there if you tried, trust me. That goes down quick. Mr. Bayley: So, if you like we'll leave you the draft, we'll leave you the final, we'll Southold Town Planning Board 12 April 18, 1994 leave you the rendering. Would you like the site plan? Mr. McDonald: Leave it all there in one package. Mr. McDonald: I move to close the meeting. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski. Mr. Orlowski: Opposed. So ordered. There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting was adjourned at 8:25 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Martha Jones Secretary Richard O. Ward, Chairman RECEIVED AND FILED BY ~i~E SOUTHOLD TOWN CLERK Town C~zk, To~ of Southold