HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-10/02/1995PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
Richard G. Wara, Chairman
George Ritchie Latham, Jr.
Bennett Orlowski, Jr.
Mark S. McDonald
Kenneth L. Edwards
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P. O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-3136
Telephone (516) 765-1938
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Present were:
Absent:
MINUTES
October 2, ].995
Richard G. Ward, Chairman
G. Ritchie Latham
Bennett Orlowski, Jr.
Kenneth Edwards
William Cremers
Valerie Scopaz, Town Planner
Melissa Spiro, Planner
Robert G. Kassner, Site Plan Reviewer
Martha Jones, Secretary
Mr. Ward: Good evening. I'd like to call the October 2, 1995
Southold Town Planning Board meeting to order. The first order of
business is the setting of the next Planning Board meeting. Board
to set Monday, October 23, 1995 at 7:30 p.m. at the Southold Town
Hall, Main Road) Southold, as the time and place for the next
regular Planning Board meeting.
Mr. Cremers: So moved.
Mr. Orlowski: Second.
Mr. Ward: Moved and seconded. Ail in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Mr. Ward: 7:30 p.m. Rockcove Estates -- This major subdivision is
for 23 lots on 28.315 acres located o~ the north side of Middle
Road (C.R. 48); approximately 500 feet west of McCann Lane in
Greenport. SCTM~ 1000-33-3-19. Is the applicant here, or agent for_
the applicant, that would like to address the Board?
Charles Cuddy: I represent the applicant. Mr. Abruzzo is here,
from Young and Young, concerning the map. He's been before you a
a considerably longer period than I have, but as the Chairman has
indicated, this is a 23 lot subdivision on approximately 28 acres.
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I think we discussed at some length the question of park and
recreation fees, and we worked out a park area. I think the map
now is in appropriate form and I ask that the Board approve the
preliminary map.
Mr. Ward: Is there anyone else here this evening that would like
to address the Board regarding this application? If not, all is in
order to close the hearing.
Mr. Orlowski: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Seconded.
Mr. Ward: Moved and seconded. Ail in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. What's the pleasure of the
Board?
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make the following motion.
Be it~resolved that the Southold Town Planning Board grant
preliminary approval on the maps dated June 8, 1995 for the major
subdivision of Rockcove Estates subject to the following
conditions:
A dedicated walkway to the beach shall be located between pro--
posed lots 3 and 4. The walkway shall be a maximum of ten (10)
feet in width.
The beach property located on Lot 4, from the southern edge of
the existing natural path down the bluff face to the high water
mark, together with the dedicated walkway, shall be shown as a
separate lot to be owned by a Homeowners Association. Lots 1,
2 and 3 shall reserve right to access the waterfront directly
subject to obtaining all applicable permits and approvals.
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Access to proposed Lot 19 shall be from Homestead Way only.
There shall be no vehicular access permitted from lot 19 onto
C.R. 48 (Middle Road).
4. The final grading and drainage plans shall be revised as noted
in the Engineering Inspector's report dated July 13, 1995.
The area located outside of the building envelope on Lot Number
19 shall be shown as an "Open Space Easement Area". This shall
be so noted on the Final plan.
The drainage easement area located on lot 19 shall either be
combined with the recharge area as one lot, or, the following
terms shall be included in the Declaration of Covenants and
Restrictions.
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a. The drainage easement area shall not be obstructed in any
manner.
The Homeowners Association shall have the right to use the
drainage easement area to access the recharge area if the
roads and drainage area have not been dedicated to the
Town. The Town shall have the right to use the drainage
easement area to access the recharge area if the roads and
drainage area have been dedicated to the Town.
Mr. Latham: I'll second it.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. Ail in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
Mr. Ward: 7:35 p.m. The Fields at Mattituck -- This major
subdivision is for 27 lots on 60.4 acres located on the north side
of Bergen Ave. in Mattituck. SCTM~ 1000-13--2-1.1. I see the agent
for the applicant is here.
Peter Danowski: My name is Peter Danowski. I represent Mr.
Macari, the owner of this parcel. Ken Abruzzo from Young & Young
is here as well. I recognize there are one or two neighbors to
this property that may want to speak tonight. Mr. Warren Brady,
for one, is here with his wife. He and I have had conversations
about this subdivision in the past. In fact, the subdivision
provides a tap, a roadway, to preserve an apparent right of way
that he has to go through the property to Bergen Ave.
This Board is well aware that in constructing the plans here we
took into consideration his claim to this right and have continued
to provide that access out to Bergen Ave. Mr. Brady may wish to
address the Board. He has presented me with a letter and spoke to
me last week concerning a trade off that he is now suggesting that
I will take back to my client. That trade off is, in essence, that
he would no longer want the use to go through the subdivision and
like to eliminate the tap street. In return, he would ask us to
build for him, and his neighbor Mr. Burns, an eight hundred foot
stockade fence which in part might be located within that natural
vegetation buffer - not deeply within it -- but apparently he has
estimated an eight foot distance. We haven't gotten down to
finalizing the language for a proposed covenant for that space, and
certainly, if in fact, the Board, Mr. Brady and my Client, if they
were to agree, we would have to make sure that any language in that
covenant that affected that natural vegetation buffer would allow
the construction of the fence.
Tonight I would like an approval of the map and certainly before we
submit a final map, we could continue discussions with Mr. Brady
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and come back to the Board with any comments. Also, there is a
neighbor present who has asked me to perhaps address, and he can
address himself, the question of drainage. Your engineer has made
us aware -- early on we were aware as well that there apparently
had been some drainage questions. Because in the past with heavy
storms and melting snow, there's been the passage of water that may
have spilled over into the Rosewood development to the east, so
that the concerns are that our engineering has addressed and will
catch the water runoff on site, and Mr. Abruzzo is assuring me that
that is in fact the case.
So, your expert has pointed that out, we were aware of it and have
addressed it. But certainly those two neighbors and maybe others
may wish to address the Board themselves, I'd just point that out.
Mr. Ward: That being the case, is there anyone here that would
like to address the Board on any of these issues, regarding this
subdivision?
Warren Brady: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. I'm Warren Brady
of Mattituck Hills. I've been living there for 30 years and I've
been sort of keeping this right of way to Bergen Ave., which of
course was my only ingress and egress for several years. They had
to build land bridges with covert pipes to get runoff from the
fields and get it down to the Mattituck Creek. So, I've had alot
of experience with it and I prized it because the way the
development to the east turned out...they had half acre lots, they
got them in 3ust on the boundary line when the two acre zoning was
coming in, and in fact they set aside two acres for recreation.
But that two acres for the recreation of the people of that group
has been turned over to the Suffolk County Water Authority, and
there's a pumping station there. So, I don't know what happened to
the covenants on that one.
By the way my taxes are $13,000 a year and I've been there 30
years, so maybe I've spent $150 to $180,000 on taxes, and I expect
to get some of it back when I sell my home, so I've been trying to
keep the area upgraded and protect myself from my investment as
best I can. I realize after looking at this plan that our road has
been diverted back through a dry bed wash where there has to be a
land bridge built again with covert pipes to handle that flow when
we do get a thaw in the spring.
But, when you realize that there are going to be 27 families here
on this lot, the right of way has lost its significance. When you
have an open road, kids, everybody, is going to go down the road,
there's no stopping them. They'll be people coming in cars from
both ends and this is only a one lane road and it winds up and
down. So, it really isn't practical anymore once this goes in.
I could probably widen it to 25 feet but then you'd have regular
traffic going back and forth because they'd take a shortcut to
Bergen Ave. rather than go all the way out Stanley Rd. I don't
think the Board would pass wanting to have a Town road or a road of
that size connected (inaudible).
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Of course, I'm well acquainted with that area having cleared it,
and at the moment the Highway Dept. blocked the road with a catch
basin about 18 inches below the road grade, and everyone's afraid
to go over it, so we haven't done anything until they correct that
condition. I think you can see where it was diverted to the east,
but the amount of water that runs through there in a real spring
thaw, when we have some snow on the field, which we haven't had for
many years now. But, we've kind of come to the conclusion that it
isn't practical anymore to have a road out there. But, if we're
going to give up what advantages we might have had with having had
a separate entrance from Bergen Ave., and that's our official
address by the way, if we can get some protection in this buffer
zone, which is now 60 feet wide, and north of that we have a 50
foot right of way, but we only have an eight or nine foot wide
road, a single lane road, and it winds, so it's pretty hairy coming
in and out of there. There are blind driveways and so on and so
forth.
So, if we had a 24 foot road connecting that eight foot wide road,
it would invite people to come up through there and use an eight
foot wide road, which is reletively unapproved and curving and
would be a dangerous situation. So, we came up with the offer to
eliminate...they won't have to build a 220 foot paved road, and
they'll have clear title to everything on the rest of the property
with us giving up the right of way. But, for that we felt they
should run a fence along the edge of our 50 foot right of way, up
until a point where our right of way hits the present road, and
then we want an eight foot setback, because we wouldn't wan~ a
fence on the edge of an eight foot wide road, because we'd be
running into it all the time. So we figured eight foot back and
run down the property, just to keep people out, and we also want
some assurance that this buffer zone is valid.
Now the recreation area for the Sunset Knowles couldn't have been
very valid because it didn't last long. In fact, on the property
to the east of us, Stanley Sledjeski had written up covenants to
sell the property. Then when a guy came along and wanted to build
a tennis court on a ski slope, he removed all the covenants on the
property. So, we wouldn't want this to happen in this case if they
set this up, so that they don't park cars on this buffer zone and
they don't leave boats there. We have alot of boats around
illegally, in the area. Of course people drive through and want to
look at an expensive piece of property and right away they don't~
think very highly, they're concerned about the area that approaches
a place that's paying $13,000 a year taxes. So, gentlemen, is
there anythink that you might like to ask me?
Mr. Ward: Is it possible to get a copy of your proposal?
Mr. Brady: Yes, I have it right here.
Mr. Ward: I think we followed it but, do you have it shown on the
map what you'd like to see happen?
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Mr. Brady: Well, I think this is self explanatory. I've got a big
investment there. Don't forget, I lost the interest on that
~150,000 or so, all these years. I never made alot of money in my
life, but I saved alot. Thank you.
Mr. Ward: Thank you, Mr. Brady. Is there anyone else here that
would like to address the Board this evening?
Ed Molraine: Goo~ evening. I'm Ed Molraine and I live in Rosewood
Estates, adjacent to what's going to be the open space area. I've
had the water run off through my yard and it's caused extensive
damage in the past. And I see there is going to be some type of
recharge area and I just want to thank the Town Board for making
sure that that's going to be there and hopefully it's adequate to
stop that in the future. Thank you.
Mrs. Burns: I'm a neighbor, and we're certainly in agreement with
Mr. Brady for the fence, rather than do the right of way. Thank
you.
Mr. Ward: Anyone else like to be on the record this evening? Let
me go back to the applicant at this point. Is this something you
feel that will be worked out between prelim and final?
Mr. Danowski: I think so. I suggested to Warren that I'm not sure
what the cost of the fence would be compared to the road, but I
think that would be the practical answer that I'd be seeking, And
if it's a trade offr I'm not so sure that there would be any
problem at all. The question is getting r~ghts, and if we're §Qing
to put it on our property, that appears to be no problem. So I'll
get back to him directly and the Planning Board as well after I
speak to my client. But, I think we can move forward with this and
deal with it on a final stage.
Mr. Ward: Normally tonight, the Planning Board would go ahead with
dealing with some issues that are related to the plan, but it's not
something that would substantially change this plan, and normally
we would grant a preliminary approval, which is in order tonight.
That does not give them the right to do the subdivision yet because
there has to be a final map and hearing that will be held.
What we are going to be asking to happen at this point is for the
applicant to work out with the neighbors involved a solution that
will be amicable to both parties and come back in the final form of
the map that will reflect that. So, with that procedure then, what
we could do tonight is...yes, Mr. Brady?
Mr. Brady: I forgot to mention, one of the valid reasons for the
fence is that if you're going to have 27 families, you're going to
have kids wandering around. There are trees and shrubbery right up
along side of our road, there's no clearance on the side. If a kid
runs out of the woods in front of a car and people come through
there...I've put signs up all year long, go slow, children at play.
But the service people buzz through there, and someone might get
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hurt, that's one of the other reasons, and also to delineate where
our right of way is. Now 300 feet of the fence will be on our
right of way and then the other 500 will be eight feet in from the
edge of our road, just to give clearance.
Mr. Ward: It sounds to me and to the Board, that the applicant
will work this out with you.[
Mr. Brady:
something.
Mr. Ward:
I have every confidence that Mr. Danowski will work out
Thank you.
Is all in order then to close the hearing?
Mr. Orlowski: So moved.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Ward: Moved and seconde~. Ail in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. What's the pleasure of the
Board?
Mr. 0rlowski: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Southold Town Planning
Board grant preliminary approval on the maps dated June 13, 1995
for the major subdivision of The Fields at Mattituck, subject to
the following conditions:
1. Building envelopes must be shown for all lots within the sub--
division.
2. The two (2) firewells required by the Planning Board must be
shown on the final map.
The lot with the Agricultural and Open Space Easement area
shall be shown as Lot ~27. The building envelope for this
lot shall be revised so that it is not within the existing
driveway/right--of--way which traverses the property.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. Ail in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. So the record has been noted
that the applicant and the neighbors will work out this between now
and the final map. Does the agent have anything further they want
to present tonight?
Ken Abruzzo: Ken Abruzzo from Young & Young. I noticed that you
asked for all building envelopes to be shown on the final plat. I
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think we've come up against this before and I offer a solution
rather us doing that on final plats, to put the same building
envelope over and over, especially when there's (inaudible). One
of the notes we've been putting on, and it's actually on the
preliminary map of Rockcove, that we put the dimensional
requirements for all the lots shown shall conform to the following,
and we give a lot width, a front yard, side yard, a total side yard
and a rear yard. That certainly depicts what the envelope should
be rather than us taking a final plat and putting this same
envelope on every lot. Now, it's not the drafting that's involved,
but it seems to make the map look a little bit messier and harder
to follow than if we just put that note on there. If that meets
with the Board's approval, we'd like to do that rather than an
envelope on every single lot. Certainly the large lot where we
have a specialized envelope...
Mr. Ward: We'll get back to you on it.
Mr. Abruzzo: OK.
MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES AND SET OFF
APPLICATIONS
Setting of Final Hearings:
Mr. Ward: Stanley and Sharon Swanson and Robert Hamilton - This
lot line change is to subtract 8,129 square feet from a 35,389
square foot parcel and add it to a 44,094 square foot parcel.
SCTM~ 1000-141--2-15 & 21.5. What's the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Southold Town Planning
Board set Monday, October 23, 1995 at 7:30 p.m. for a final public
he~ring on the maps dated August 2, 1995.
Mr. Cremers: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. Ail in favor?
Ayes: Mr. OrlowSki, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
Sketch Extensions:
Mr. Ward: John P. Krupski & Bros., Inc. - This proposal is to set
off a 3.88 acre parcel from an existing 36.027 acre parcel located
on County Road 48 in Cutchogue. SCTM~ 1000-96--2--8. What's the
pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make the following motion.
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Be it resolved that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a
retro--active one year extension of sketch approval from July 9,
1995 to January 9, 1996.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES, SET OFF
APPLICATIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT
Draft Environmental Impact Statement:
Mr. Ward: Indian Shores - This major subdivision is for 17 lots on
105.6 acres located on the south side of Main Rd., and the north
side of New Suffolk Ave., in Cutchogue. The 37.47 acre 17th lot is
proposed to be sold to the Town as a Town Park. SCTM~ 100-116-1--3.
W-hat's the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make the following motion.
Be it resolved that the Southold Town Planning Board take one
additional thirty (30) day period to determine whether to accept
the Draft Environmental Impact Statement with respect to its scope,
content and adequacy for the purpose of commencing public review.
This extension will run until November 6, 1995.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed?
SITE PLANS
Final Extensions:
Motion carried.
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Southold Town Planning
Board ~rant a six (6) month extension of conditional approval from
December 12, 1995 to June 12, 1996. Conditional approval was
granted on June 12, 1995.
Mr. Ward: Core¥ Creek Vineyards This proposed site plan is for
the conversion of an existing agricultural building to ~ winery and
tasting room, located on a 30 acre parcel in Southold. SCTM~
1000-75-6--9.6 & 9.7. What's the pleasure of the Board?
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Mr. Cremers: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. Ail in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Mr. Ward: The last order of business is the approval of the
Planning Board minutes. Board to approve the September 11,
minutes.
1995
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Orlowski: Second.
Mr. Ward: Moved and seconded. Ail in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
Charles Cuddy: I appear on behalf of Mr. Baxter and Indian Shores
Subdivision. I'm concerned that during the period of 30 days that
you have just granted yourself, that there be some minimum
communication to the applicant. Obviously, the applicant has spent
some time doing what he's done in preparing the Draft Environmental
Impact Statement. I have spoken to Melissa and I appreciate her
candor in saying to me that there are some concerns that the Board
had to address. But it would be helpful if either at a worksession
or just through some communication process if you could tell us
some of the things that seem to concern the Board, because I think
if there are, we may be able to cure them if we're in agreement
during that period of time. And just so we could move it along as
quickly as we can.
Mr. Ward: Ail right. We'll look into that.
Mr. Cuddy: If you would, I'd appreciate it. I think it just might
help us.
Mr. Ward: Anyone else wish to address the Board?
Peter Danowski: Just two rather simple matters, but now that Mr.
Macari had one subdivision application on...I know it's been awhile
since I addressed the Board, I think at a worksession, with regard
to Laurel Lake subdivision, and I know that at that time there had
been some public interest and also some interest within Town Hall,
to possibly have the County buy that property.
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I did have a meeting with the County and the numbers didn't
substantiate any sale to the County. However, I was led to believe
that perhaps we could move through the SEQRA process to an extent,
and hopefully get the sketch plan approval and then maybe the
County would take a more serious look at buying the property. And
I know that you have some experts who have communicated with you in
the past, but I would like to perhaps by the next worksession or
next meeting, perhaps get out of SEQRA with regard to that
subdivision.
We did allow Dr. Lamont, I think his name is, a botanist, onto the
site to let him collect whatever (inaudible) he wanted to look at,
and we did do some extra field work. One thing we didn't want to
do was start huge archeological digs all over the site, especially
with the view that we had already done some archeological work and
if the County is going to buy it, it wouldn't serve any purpose.
So, I was hoping that by the next meetin~ perhaps, this Board could
end SEQRA and get us into a sketch plan. I will, after tonight's
meeting, send some (inaudible) information to the Board.
And I think you had on your agenda for discussion purposes after the
meeting, the letter with regard to Herb Mandel and Richard Israel's
subdivision, Hightpoint Woods. And that's the trail system
question that we kicked around so long and I know that Herb's
bogged down, every time he sees me he says, do we have to do this
trail system? It's gone back to the same issue, which is who is
going to write up the regulations affecting the trail system and
who is going to enforce it. And I know you had technically said
let the Town Attorney draw up the ordinance and let him enforce it
and (inaudible) came back to me and said why don't you propose an
ordinance?
But I would like you to consider eliminating either the trail
system or try to provide some enforceability, because his real
problem with it has been this idea that people will go up and down
and use'this trail system and there will be no means of enforcing
whatever covenants you wan~.
Mr. Ward: There being no further business before the Board
tonight, a motion is in order to adjourn. Yes sir?
William Tyree: My name is William Tyree. I'm a co-owner of Osprey
Dominion Winery on the Main Road in Peconic. I think the Board is
familiar with the site. But I'm in a quandary that I need the
Board's help with. I spoke to Mr. Fisher at the Building
Department today and he said probably the only one that could help
me was to ask the Board.
The problem that I have is that we were required by the Health
Department to put a new well in, 150 foot. Kreiger Well Diggers
went in and we tested it and the water wasn't just right, it had
some impurities in it. So we drove the hole deeper and it still
didn't test 100%.
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Everything else will be completed by Thursday of this week, the
paving, the site, everything. But I have a problem with the Board
of Health §lying me a certificate because they are just in the
process of approving the design for the water treatment plant that
we have to put in to make the water palatable. ~ven if they gave
me the approval today, it would take two to three weeks to get the
equipment and to install it. And I had been told that there was a
similar problem with the senior citizens home, I believe, somewhere
in Suffolk, I'm not really sure, but the Health Dept. permitted
them to use bottled water. I've been told that I should ask you
for permission to open with a CO. I'd like to open up this
week--end if at all possible and using bottled water. We have two
bathrooms there.
Mr. Ward: Well, there are a couple of things problematic. One is
that we're not the Health Department, we can't give you the
blessing to use the water. They have to do that. We won't act on
a final approval until that's in place.
Mr. Tyree: I realize that. I'm asking if there would be a
temporary CO that you could give me to open?
Mr. Ward: Well, I don't know that a temporary would be given
without Health Department approval. If you could get a Health
Department approval to use the bottle water, in effect then it may
precipitate getting an approval, but the Health Department has to
come first.
Mr. Tyree: But I can get a Health Department saying that I'm
allowed to use bottle water. I guess if you got down to it, I
guess you could use bottled water for the whole system, if there was
enough bottled water.
Mr. Ward: If they'll allow it. That's their jurisdiction. In
site plan approval here at the Planning Board, we rely on Suffolk
County Health Department for water and sewer approvals.
Mr. Tyree: I understand that. I don't know if I could get a letter
from the Health Department. Sometimes they're impossible in
cooperating. We're in the absolute height of our season, I need
some blessing from someone, that's my problem. I'm in a catch 22
situation. I definitely want to conform 100%, we are right to the
letter of the law, but this thing could hold me three or four
weeks.
Mr. Ward: I think you need to appeal to them to let you do
something that's a little different from there standard
regulations. If you can get that approval, then come back to us
and we can see what we can do from there. But we need some
blessing from them that the water and sewer is OK.
Mr. Tyree: Will I have to appear before the Board again?
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Mr. Ward: I don't be%ieve so.
on that is you filed,/we did apF
conditions of the site plan are
could be issued then by the Bull
the Planning Board.
Mr. Tyree: But how can he issue
catch 22 is, when I o~ly have ar
Department, to use bottled wate~
approved is put in and installed
Bob's not here, but where we are at
rove a site plan, when the
met a certificate of occupancy
ding Department after inspection by
me a CO, this is where I say the
interim approval from the Health
until my proposed system that they
and the water is tested to use?
Mr. Orlowski: Ail the criteria that this Board wanted has been met
already.
Mr. Tyree: It will be finished by Thursday. I wouldn't be here if
I couldn't finish al/ of that, ~ome paving and underwriters
electrical, that's all.
Mr. Orlowski: And yo~ talked t~ the Board of Review at the Health
Department. The Board of Revie~ has told you that you can use
bottled water?
Mr Tyree: Yes.
Mr. 0rlowski: If you got a letter just stating that and gave it to
then.the Building Department, I'm sule you could be able to get your CO
Mr. Tyree: Can he issue a permit? In other words, I don't think
he'll issue me a permanent CO with a temporary approval to use
bottled water, that's my dilemma.
Mr. Ward: I tend to think you're right, but a temporary may allow
you to at least get started, fo1 a certain period of time.
Mr. Tyree: If I coul~ get that~..I'm not trying to put words in
your mouth, but if I
or something similar ·
able to issue me a tel
Mr. Ward: We need so]
that the water and set
ould get ) letter from the Health Department,
~o that, t~at the Building Department would be
~porary CO-
~ething from the Health Department stating
~er is adequate.
Mr. Tyree: The sewer is no problem, that's all been approved.
It's just the problem with the water.
Mr. Ward: The best thing to do is get something from the Health
Department that would say they ¥ould allow this as a temporary
measure for a certain period of time, then I think that you may be
able to get a temporary CO out of the Building Department, but I
can t talk for the Building Department.
Mr. Tyree: I know, but I need to go somewhere. Mr. Fisher told me
to appear before you, so that's my quandary. Thank you very much.
Southold Town Plan~ng Board 14 -~ October 2, 1995
Ann Wassmer: I'm Ann Wassmer of Southold. I wanted to know what
the status of the Harvest Home Estates map is and has there been a
new one submitted?
Ms Spiro: No, they haven't submitted a new one yet.
Ms Wassmer: Thank you.
Ward: Motion in order to close?
Latham: So moved.
Mr Orlowski: Second.
Mr Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
There being no further business to come before the Board, the
meeting adjourned at 8:07 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Martha A. Jones
Secretary
Richard G. Ward, Chairman
RECEIVED AND BY
Town C],¢rk, Town of Southold