HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-02/26/1996PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
RICHARD G. WARD
Chairman
GEORGE RITCHIE LATHAM, JR.
BENNETT ORLOWSKI, JR.
WILLIAM J. CREMERS
KENNETH L. EDWARDS
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-3136
Telephone (5161 765-1938
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MINUTES
February 26, 1996
Present were:
Richard G. Ward, Chairman
Bennett Orlowski, Jr.
G. Ritchie Latham
William Cremers
Melissa Spiro, Planner
Martha Jones, Secretary
Robert G. Kassner, Site Plan Reviewer
Absent:
Kenneth Edwards
Valerie Scopaz, Town Planner
Mr. Ward: Good evening. I'd like to call the February 26, 1996 Southold Town
Planning Board meeting to order. The first order of business is the setting of the
next Planning Board meeting. Board to set Monday, March 15, 1996 at 7:30 p.m.
at Southold Town Hall, Main Rd., Southold, as the time and place for the next
regular Planning Board meeting. Is there a second?
Mr. Orlowski: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Site Plans:
Mr. Ward: 7:30 p.m. - Port of E~vDt. Enterprises, Inc. - This site plan is for the
construction of a swimming pool at an existing marina on Rt. 25 in Southold.
SCTM# 1000-56-64 & 6.1. Is the applicant here that would like to address the
Board?
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Garrett Strang: Good evening. The application speaks pretty much for itself. The
Board, in 1993, approved a site plan at this facility for the construction of about, I
believe, 25,000 square feet of storage building. The owners of the facility decided
that it would serve their interests better, given the fact that the nature of today's
marinas are such that people are looking for other amenities, specifically swimming
pools, and that it would serve their interest better, were they to forgo that building
that had been approved and put a swimming pool in place of that.
In October of 1994, we made the application that is before you to amend the
previous site plan, substituting the swimming pool facility for the previous storage
building. Again, I think it's pretty straight forward and we're here to address any
questions the Board may have along those lines and our concern at the present
time is that it did get a little behind schedule and we are looking to get this facility
up and runmng for this coming season, so it is our hODe that the Board will be able
to proceed with this in a timely fashion, so that we can move ahead with the
construction of this facility. If there are any questions, certainly either myself or Mr.
Leiblein would be available to answer them.
Mr. Ward: Thank you. Anyone else like to address the Board on this particular site
plan. Mr. Flynn?
Frank Flynn: I'm F.M. Ftynn, a resident of the town of Southold and I had intended
to make more extensive remarks this evening, but due to the complexity of what I
encountered, I think I will just express some general opinions with respect to this
application and provide the Board with a written analysis of the site plan as I see it.
I'm shocked that the approval process for this parcel has proceeded to this point.
The subject's site plan is so disingenuous and so based on false and misleading
data and calculations that a child could see through it. The arrogance of this
submission seems to expect complicity on the part of this Board. The fact that this
Board issued a Negative Declaration prior to this hearing, and the actions of others,
without public notice, smacks at least to the question of due process.
The planning process and the question of what constitutes the entire contiguous
parcel should be raised. The question of whether this particular parcel and the one
to the west of it, the hotel site, are in constructive contiguous ownership, and
should be a matter of some concern to the Board in it's planning decisions. This
planning presumes that the site of the motel, etc., is owned by the Suffolk County
Industrial Development Agency, and it's so described in the legal notice. The
agency says no. They have emphatically told me that three times. The agency
spokesman, the deputy director, states that this property, referring to the motel site
previously identified as lots 3.2 and 3.3, is in the beneficial ownership of C & L
Realty, Inc., whose principals are William Leiblein and George Cottral.
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The contention that the property is owned by the SCIDA probably arises from the
deed dated 11/27/84 in the assessor's files. Were it examined, there was no
monetary consideration at that time and it was not considered by the agency to be
an arms length transaction. It is my opinion that this contention that the entire
property consists of 4.96 acres, rather than 7 acres, is akin to a house of cards
supported by a slender reed. /challenge this Board to research the recorded
instruments pertaining to this property in 1984. I did. I encountered well in excess
of one hundred pages of filed documents in the Town of Riverhead. I will provide
entre to these documents for the Board's consideration, and I believe that a
definitive legal determination is required.
Now, much took place about this property on November 1, 1984. Four and a half
years after this purported conveyance of the westerly portion, this 3.2 and 3.3, the
Port of Egypt is still flaunting and advertising it's ownership of the entire 7 acres.
That's four and a half years after this property was supposedly conveyed to the
agency. The deputy director of the SCIDA concedes that the agency's participation
represents a legal method of tax avoidance. The motel portion is now on the tax
exempt roll in the Town of Southold.
My opinion of what has happened with this property is subject to legal
interpretation. I believe that Messrs. Cottral and Leiblein ended up with a
$400,000.00 payment based on a bond which permitted them to buy and improve
this property. That this money eventually reverted to themselves and is now,
according to the instruments on file, a purchased money and building mortgage,
guaranteed by a so called lease.
Now, in my opinion, the owners of the Port of Egypt have constructive ownership of
the entire 7 acre parcel. The plot plan itself is hardly worthy of comment. It
displays a contem pt for any reviewers intelligence. The legend surreptitiously and
stealthily attempts to intrude district 1000, section 56, block 4, lot 10.1, as part of
the approval sought. There's no planning for that parcel, nor is that parcel the
object of this public hearing.
The plan, as submitted, is the equivalent of choosing one from colu mn A and one
from column B, in this instance, survey by Roderick Van Tuyl, and a plan by Peconic
Associates. It is difficult to decide on the most egregious aspect of this plan.
According to code requirements, the planned parking for the present uses
constitutes 131 spaces less than what the code requires, that's approximately 1.05
acres ~n land area. We have here a plan that locates so called parking spaces in a
public r-o-w within a building devoted to other use and with spaces within 2 or 3 feet
of mean high water. How can this Board even keep a straight face when examining
a plan that provides 10 spaces for what are probably more than 165 dry stored
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boats on the property.
The storage is so intensive that boats are now stored on the property of others.
The question of more intensive storage of stored boats and dry stored boats, by
reducing parking requirements, was long since faced by the Town Board and no
such change was allowed. The plan was based on other outrageous and specious
assumptions which I do not have time to discuss in detail on this occasion.
Obviously, I wouldn't be granted the time to discuss it in the detail that they
deserve.
For this reason, I submit to the Board a more detailed report, written remarks and
opinions, the jist of which I am prepared to examine and explain to the Board's
staff.
Now, in conclusion, I had mentioned that there was a Negative Declaration on this
property. This property is in a critical environmental area on a flood plain, and as
such requires a long environmental assessment form. I haven't seen anything such
as that. The end result of all this is it probably insults the Board's intelligence, this
site plan. And it certainly insults mine. rm concluded for this evening, and I'd be
glad to provide a more detailed set of calculations and the background for some of
these remarks that I've made. Thank you.
Mr. Ward: I know Mr. Leiblein is here. I don't know if he would like toat this time
just address the differences in your ownership between the two parcels, on the
record, rd appreciate that.
William Leiblein: About 50 years ago this month, my father and my uncles bought
the original Port of Egypt property from Carl Rider, and over the years purchased
adjacent lots, up to and including the lots on which the Port of Egypt property now
stands. As well as some property across the street. They owned it in a
partnership at that time. In 1969 when I got out of the navy and came back into
the business, it changed to a corporation so that my father could share his interest
with his two sons and over the years the percentage of the shares varied between
my father, by brother and I and my two sisters.
At the present time, the Port of Egypt Enterprises property is owned by myself, my
wife, my five children and my brother. Specific shares are 33, 32, the children
each have five shares and my brother owns 15 shares. In 1984, we had the
opportunity to purchase the property adjacent to the Port of Egypt. My brother and
sisters had no interest. My brother-in-law George Cottral, my wife's brother, and I
and our wives decided that it was a good investment. We purchased the property
from the Morris family in November of 1984.
At that time we opted to use the Suffolk County Development Agency with
developing agency bonding, what at that time certainly appeared to be a very
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advantageous rate of 11%. You may recall in the 1980's interest rates were up in
the 20's. We borrowed $400,000.00. $250,000.00 was used to pay for the
property. The remainder was used to improve the proper[y, specifically the motel
and fish market which were in a horrible state of disrepair.
The conduit for using the SClDA allowed for tax abatement on the improvements
only. It's not a tax dodge. It was an opportunity that the county made available.
At the present time we pay a very small tax upstairs, and then we go downstairs
an d we make a payment in lieu of taxes, which at the present time the combined
total is approximately $30,000.00 a year. So it isn't like we're getting off scott
free.
My brother-in-law has absolutely no interest in Port of Egypt property, nor his wife.
My wife and I combined have a 50% interest in C & L Realty, and it is presently on
the market and has been On the market. Unfortunately we bought when prices were
high and now prices are down and we don't have a taker, so we're just hanging in
there. The Port of Egypt property is totally separate, there is no connection
between the two. There was a time when we thought about developing the whole
complex and putting condos in along with the marina, back when condos were the
thing to do and at the time we had considered getting a SCIDA loan for both C & L
Realty and Port of Egypt combined, and we were going to borrow $4,000,000.00.
(inaudible) And we decided not to do that at the time, and I can't remember what
year we started with the application to put up the storage building and Garrett has
addressed the reasons for switching over to the swimming pool. There is no
connection between the two properties and as the Board well knows, we're not in
collusion with you. Are there any other questions that were brought up?
Mr. Ward: Any of the Board members have any questions at this time? (None) Mr.
Flynn, we're always interested in the public input in our process and we appreciate
you actually coming in to see Bob a few days ago, or last week, whenever it was,
and a lot of the things you brought up we did check into and will be part of the
resolution that we are prepared to present tonight. It may not totally satisfy you in
terms of it, but we did look into many of the items and this Board was very much in
favor of this particular ,p, roject in lieu of the storage building. And we're in the
process now where we probably ca a vote on it in a resolution, if there is
anything else that you would like to add before you do that.
Mr. Flynn: Yes, I most certainly would like to add something. You say I had met
with Bob. The (inaudible) of the situation was such that for one thing there was very
limited public notice of this and it was also over a holiday week-end and it's a very
complex problem. Now, this hearing is for the purpose of the Board securing
information on which to base it's deliberations. I assure you that if you go through
those remarks which I submitted this evening, you will find no reason to grant this
application in accordance with the Town Code and I presume you are operating in
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accordance with the Town Code.
This plan, as I said, provides for 10 parking spaces. Has this Board inspected this
property? It is literally covered with boats. There are so many boats, that they also
are stored off the property. Every one of those boats, according to the code,
requires a parking space. And the question is not simply one of parking. This
battle was fought long ago, and the Town Board came to the conclusion that the
only control they had to regulate the density of use, per parcel, was via parking.
They cannot very well administer- although they should - the number of boats on a
property. The Town Board concluded that were they to reduce these parking lots
to one quarter the current requirement, it could result in additional thousands of
boats being placed in town waters. So the end result of this is any plan which
provides for such limited parking, and which provides for parking ~n a public r-o-w
and which provides for parking within two or three feet of mean high water and all
these other things which have been apparently overlooked either by the Board or by
its staff, n reviewing this parcel are such egregious violations of the code that there
is no logical or equitable basis for just ramming this thing through.
Now, I presume I have consumed about 10 minutes previously in speaking about
this thing. There have been undoubtedly countless meetings between the applicant
and this Board, or staff members, etc. in the past. I can't possibly explain all the
deficiencies in this plan verbally in such a short time frame. So I merely say that
based upon my analysis of that plan, if you approve it, you are violating the Town
Code.
There is another issue involved here. There are 4.96 or 8 acres supposedly
involved. Has anybody counted the uses on. this? They may be no n-conforming
uses, but by my calculations the uses on this property call for a minimum of six or
more acres. Now, there aren't six acres, but there are uses on this property where
it would be possible to apportion this lot into the required 80,000 square foot lots
or plots, without over-intensively developing the property. This is not a pure vacant
parcel of land that is being developed. This is a parcel of non-conforming uses
which it is possible to some degree to make conforming. And I believe that's also
a function of this Board, and one which they should analyze, undertake and carry
through.
There is much about this application that wouldn't stand the light of day and it is
unbelievable to me that this Board would rush through such an application replete
with so many errors, miscalculations and other egregious statements that don't
meet the light of day.
Now, with respect to this change of title on this property, obviously I don't
(inaudible) to a change of title. However, the referenced deed in November of
! 984, again, was not an arms length deed. It was in the corporate transaction
where the two of the owners, Mr. Cottrel and Mr. Leiblein, and this whole contract
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was conditioned upon the granting of this $400,000.00 bond issue which through a
whole series of transactions became a purchased money mortgage and bond. The
lease referred to constitutes a situation which my analysis at least indicates, is that
it serves to pay off the mortgage. It serves as security or the mortgage. Over a
period of 15 years, at the end of which the current owners, C & L can purchase this
property and are obligated to purchase this property, for one dollar.
Now, it is my contention that there is a distinct relationship between the ownership
of these parcels. Mr. Leiblein's actions indicates such, inasmuch as he pays taxes
on both of these parcels. He advertises, or at least lists with brokers, certain
aspects of the C & L property. The mortgage sites boat slips on the mortgage
property, which I presume you will find to be in a unity of use with the marina
property. There are also a line of sheds between the hotel and the main metal
building on the so called marina property.
Consequently, there is evidence, circumstantial but worth investigating, that there is
still a unity of use between these parcels. So, for you to say on a notice that
appeared a week ago that this Board is prepared to rubber stamp this application
with the objections rve raised, to me constitutes not only lack of due process but
rather high handed action. Thank you.
Mr. Ward: In relation to the parking, Mr. Flynn, it's been this Board's policy for a
number of years to handle the dry storage of boats, out of water (change tape) the
standard of care that we've been using as a Board for a number of years is one
care per four out of water slips, not only at this marina but others within the town.
That's been our policy for a number of years so it hasn't been on a one to one
basis. This particular project has been to us a number of years. There's a lot of
complexity to it, I agree with you. But, we did carefully look through, I believe, all
the issues you've raised.
Mr. Flynn: You haven't, rve raised additional issues based on my research.
Mr. Ward: I listened to you. You have to listen to me now. What rm saying is that
we did due diligence in our research and efforts to look at this particular project.
We've had an extended review with the applicant on this. We, as a Board, look to
this project as a far superior project to the community than the storage building that
was going to go up. I think that this is a much better benefit to that particular site
and to the project. We see this in that case as a benefit. I don't really have at this
point...you've raised a number of issues, I think that what we will go through tonight
will answer some of them, probably not all of them but the ones at least we felt we
would have to address.
Mr. Flynn: You raised an issue right now, pertinent to the Board's actions in
allocating a quarter space for a dry stored boat. I call your attention...I don't know
it off hand, it's in my notes, to that section of the Town Code which says you may
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have the right to waive parking requirements, provided they don't affect the health,
safety and welfare of the inhabitants and further, if they are not different or in
conflict with the intent of the Town Code and it stated conditions.
Now, here you have a real dichotomy between what you're doing and what the Town
Board permits to be done. Do you really consider...have you seen this property? I
would guess that there are an excess of 200 boats there. Do you really believe
that 10 parking spaces for dry stored boats constitutes any equitable solution to
what is dictated by the Town Code? I don't, rm sure if there were more people
aware of what's going on here, they would agree with me. Thank you.
Oh incidentally, may I raise one other issue? This application is not to put in only a
swimming pool. You'll note there ~s a cabana plan there which in incidentally on the
site of the non-conforming building, and there is a playground. To me, this has all
the aspects of a beach club, which is provided for in the Town Code provided that
you have 80,000 square foot land area to go along with it.
Now, to have an associated use for this parcel, it has to be the type of use that
prevails throughout the community. The only similar use that I know of, and it's in
close proximity, is at Young's Marina. Young's Marina was required to dedicate
80,000 square feet of its site for its swim club. Now, there are definitions as you
well know in the Town Code as to what constitutes a club. n most instances, these
clubs are supposed to be non-profit. Where it is on a property which is operated
for profit, the criteria applicable are those for a swim club. And it is hardly to be
put on that property without the prospect of profit. Therefore, this is another area
where you have obfuscation as to what the real intent here ~s. And by the way, just
to emphasize the fact, if this is to be construed as a swim or beach club, there are
additional parking requirements. Notably, one parking space for every two...in other
words, two thirds of a parking space per member of the club. So, all and all, this
application, this plan, raises more questions than it answers. And again I state, that
for this Board to approve this site plan in no way reflects well on the ability. Now,
this question of parking, leaving a lie aside, this question of dry boat parking, how
about the question of in-water slips and the boats therefore. That plan calls for 122
boats.
Mr. Ward: The in-water slips are accounted for by a one to one basis on site.
Mr. Flynn: Yes, but the plan calls for 122. Do you realize Mr. Leiblein has
advertised a capacity of 1507 And this is more or less confirmed by a survey
conducted by the North Fork Environmental Council which not only confirmed the in-
water storage situation but also found a much higher number of dry storage boats
than were previously shown.
You are getting, I believe, into the question of the operation of a business here,
when your remarks are this is better than that, etc. I long since learned that when
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you value a property, you do not value it in accordance with the owners business or
fluctuations therein. You value it based upon the maximum utility of the property. I
presume that the Planning Board acts in the same fashion. If so, this property as it
exists is over-improved and cannot provide the facilities specified for in the Town
Code.
I find, in conclusion, that I'm up against a stone wall here, when there has been a
decision made prior to the public hearing. And I thought the purpose of this public
hearing was to elicit facts reflecting on an analysis of the site plan. Now rm told
you know everything that I know. Frankly, I doubt it. And you have not taken the
time to go over my statements, my calculations, etc. I find this a very strange
hearing. Thank you.
Mr. Ward: There are a couple of other marinas that have pools. Matt-A-Mar ~n
Mattituck, Stirling Harbor, Greenport. We felt we had done due diligence on this,
but rll leave it up to the Board at this point. Mr. Leiblein?
Mr. Leiblein: I'll try to remember some of the remarks Mr. Flynn made and I'll
address the C & L issue one more time. The manner ~n which he's presented it
makes it sound like there was some sort of sneaky deal and at the end I get to buy
it for a dollar. There's no question that we're making mortgage payments to a bank
because that's the way the SClDA set it up, they held title, they get the tax bill, they
send it to us, we pay the tax bill. And we're running the place for a profit.
That's why we bought it and at the end of the mortgage payments to the bank and
the note is paid off to the bank, the SCIDA signs it over to us and then it's ours.
And if we wanted to sell it now, if we could find a buyer now, we can sell it now, pay
off the mortgage and that's it. The SCIDA has no direct say in what we do on the
property, what we charge for the rooms or anything of that nature. And when that
place is sold, my brother-in-law gets half the money and his wife and my wife and I
get the other half, if we sell it. And if the Port of Egypt property were sold, I would
get my share and my brother would get his share. There is no connection between
the two other than I am a shareholder in both corporations, and so is my wife.
There are more than 200 boats stored at the Port of Egypt, but it's the middle of
winter and that's what we do in the W~nter time in order to earn the money to pay
the taxes and pay the health and all the other things that have to go on. None of
our boats are stored on any state r-o-w. And if anyone thinks that the boats that
are just across from The Barge on that little tongue of land between Old Main Rd.
and the Main Rd., those boats belong to Club Wave. And they are being sold by
Club Wave and we have absolutely nothing to do with that piece of property. In
fact, it was originally owned by Armando, and is now owned by Club Wave.
In the summer time, the boats that are on land go into the water. Some of them go
to the people's homes or go to other marinas and the ones that are docked at our
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place go into our docks. So, there is no parking problem as the Board knows from
surveys that were done over the years. If anything, the parking is underutilized.
The primary purpose of this swimming pool is to provide additional amenities to the
customers in our marina. And when I made this application I was told by
Mr.Kassner that we would only be able to allow people in our marina to use the
swimming pool; we couldn't sell outside memberships. It really wasn't our intention
to sell outside memberships. So in our view, the same people are going to walk
from their boat in the marina over to the swimming pool and then get in their car
and go home, so it doesn't require any additional parking.
The cabana, which is the term that Garrett has applied to the building with the
showers, you have to have showers and bathrooms if you have a swimming pool
and apparently the common term is to call it a cabana. It's not a big fancy place,
it's just going to be a place with bathrooms and showers and there's going to be a
washer and dryer in there and a little place to sell sandwiches, the same as they do
down at Brick Cove. They have the cigarette machines and things of that nature.
There ts a piece of property in front of the restaurant, a triangular shape piece of
property which we do not have title to, which we lease from the state and pay rent
for. Perhaps that's what's referred to when some of our boats are on that
triangular piece of property and we have a lease with the state of New York and we
pay for that on a monthly basis. I guess that's all I can add.
Mr. Ward: Are there any further comments? Anybody else that would like to
address the Board? Mr. Strang?
Garrett Strang: I would just like to go on record taking exception to the point that
was made about the accuracy of the calculations on the Site. I believe that they are
accurate. The acreage was defined by a survey. The amount: of area that we used
in calculating lot coverage was based on that survey and the actual size of the
structures on that site. And in fact they show as per the plan that we're
considerably under the allowable 30% lot coverage as far as that goes. I think
what's neglected to be mentioned is the fact that the parking calculations based on
use is required 199 parking spaces and we have, as shown on the drawing, 251.
So, we have provided more parking than is in fact required. Again, I just wanted to
make it a point to be o-n record that the accuracy of the site data stands on its
merits, rd be glad to answer any other questions that the Board may have.
Mr. Ward: Mr. Flynn?
Mr. Flynn: A couple of issues have been raised here. This could pretty well get to
be an election debate. With respect to the so called leased area by Old Main Rd.,
rd like to see that lease, and I presume the Board should like to see it as well.
Because rm certain that the lease does not give exclusive rights to the use of that
property to the Port of Egypt Marina, for the simple reason that it serves on many
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occasions to divert traffic. It also serves as a means of access to the other
parcels to the east. Consequently, I don't believe they have the exclusive rights to
it and I question rather they have the right to construct improvements on it or any
other leased parcel. If you were to look at that site and compare it to the survey,
you would find that the Port of Egypt has constructed improvements on what was to
use your phrase, now or formerly Main Rd.
Now, with respect to coverage, this is the same problem that came up before. And
incidentally, the two maps sited, the site plan and the Van Tuyl survey, showed
different improvements. But more to the point, is what they don't show in the
calculations. Section 100-13 of the Town Code, as you well know, states that
structures or buildings consist of anything above grade, constructed of any
materials so that the ground underneath cannot be used for any other purpose.
There is a huge slab, which the Board of Appeals and the Trustees refuse to
consider in terms of prior applications, or hearings rather. And also, you have a
number of perimeter walks and other situations here which add up to the coverage.
And finally, this is a parking lot proposition as much as anything else. And a parking
lot in the Town Code as you well know is defined as a grade level paved area for
the temporary parking of motor vehicles. Now, the question of pavement here
doesn't enter into this situation at all. And another thing which has not been shown
in any form on the site plan is the requirement for landscaping. Now, surely this
property if any property should have landscaped screen. And as a matter of fact,
one of the previous consultants to the Town in one of the 'surveys he made for the
Town said that the upland storage of boats was an eyesore.
How much more of an eyesore is it to have towering racks filled with boats and yet
this Board has evidently not seen fit to provide a single plant of landscaping on this
entire property. Previous approved properties also required landscaping along the
bulkhead line. And how can you maintain that there is proper parking here. Is it
proper parking to park within two or three feet of mean high water, in a flood plain?
This is ridiculous. I might just as well walk outof here now. There's no way I can
penetrate the pre-conceived and obvious bias of this Board. Thank you.
Mr. Ward: Anyone else like to address the Board? If not, all is in order to close the
hearing. Is there a second?
Mr. Orlowski: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. What's the pleasure of the Board?
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Mr. Flynn: Mr. Chairman, may I be indulged to ask you to poll the Board here. I
didn't quite hear the votes of the individual members of the Board.
Mr. Ward: We haven't voted.
Mr. Flynn: Oh, I thought you had.
Mr. Ward: All we did was vote on closing the hearing.
Mr. Flynn: I'm sorry.
Mr. Ward: What's the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Chairman, t'd like to make a motion.
WHEREAS, Port of Egypt Enterprises, Inc. is the owner of the property known and
designated as Port of Egypt Marina located at Main Rd., Southold, SCTM# 1000-56-
64 & 6.1; and
WHEREAS, a formal application for the approval of this site plan was submitted on
November 10, 1994; and
WHEREAS, the site plan consists of placing a 30 x 50 swimming pool adjacent to
two existing non-conforming buildings (as to set backs); and converting one building
to a cabana and snack bar (vending machines); and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental
Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617, conducted a coordinated review with the
Suffolk County Department of Health Services, the New York State Department of
Environmental Conservation, Southold Town Board, Trustees, and Building
Department, declared itself lead agency, and issued a Negative Declaration on
January 9, 1995, subject to the regulations that were m effect at the time; and
WHEREAS, the swimming pool will be used only by a membership club consisting of
present and future marina slip users; and
WHEREAS, the manna and accessory swimming pool have been determined to be
consistent with the purposes in the Town's Comprehensive plan for the Marine II
District, which this property is zoned; and
WHEREAS, the use of buildings with pre-existing nomconforming set backs on the
subject site for the swimming pool will not significantly expand any of the uses of
these buildings; and
WHEREAS, the adjacent property known and designated as SCTM# 1000-56-6-3.4,
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The Terning Point Motel, is a separate parcel owned by the Suffolk County
Development Agency; and
WHEREAS, Town Code 100-254 (4) gives the Planning Board authority to vary or
waive parking requirements; and
WHEREAS, Planning Board and its staff have made inspections of the parking
conditions at the site, and have determined that the swimming pool for marina slip
users will not require additional on site parking; and
WHEREAS, the 251 existing and/or proposed parking spaces have been determined
to be adequate for all existing and the proposed use of the site; and
WHEREAS, this site plan was certified by Thomas Fisher, Senior Building Inspector,
on February 26, 1996; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Site Plan Regulations of the Town of Southold
have been met; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board approve and authorize the
Chairman to endorse the final survey dated February 7, 1996 subject to a one year
rewew from date of building permit.
Mr. Latham: Second the motion.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES AND SET OFF
APPLICATIONS
Final Determinations:
Mr. Ward: Stanley & Sharon Swanson and Robert Hamilton- This lot line change
is to subtract 8,129 square feet from a 35,389 square foot parcel and add it to a
44,094 square foot parcel. SCTM# 1000-141-2-15 & 21.5. What's the pleasure of
the Board?
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, rd like to make the following resolution. Be it resolved
that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize the Chairman to endorse the final
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surveys dated August 2, 1995. Conditional final approval was granted on October
23, 1995. All conditions have been fulfilled.
Mr. Ward: Is there a second?
Mr. Orlowski: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
Preliminary Extensions:
Mr. Ward: Wildberry Fields- This major subdivision ~s for 10 lots on 22.3886
acres located on the south side of Sound View Ave.; 289 feet west of Clark Rd. and
the north side of County Road 48; 320 feet west of Clark Rd. in Southold. SCTM#
1000-51-3-12.2 & 12.4. What's the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Latham: Mr. Chairman, be it resolved that the Southold Town Planning Board
grant a retroactive six month extension of preliminary approval from October 10,
1995 to April 10, 1996.
Mr. Orlowski: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
Setting of Final Hearings:
Mr. Ward: Thornton Smith- Section 1 - This major subdivision is for 9 lots on
80.5893 acres and designed in two sections. Section 1, comprising 47.2985
acres, will result in three non-residential lots; the development rights have been sold
to the Town for the area of proposed lots 1 and 2, and proposed lot 3 is protected
by a conservation easement to the Peconic Land Trust. Section 2, comprising
33.2908 acres will result in six, 5 acre residential lots. SCTM# 1000-121-1-1 and
113-7-19.2. What's the pleasure of the Board?
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Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman I'd like to make the following resolution. Be it resolved
that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, March 18, 1996 at 7:30 p.m.
for a final public hearing on the maps dated January 23, 1996 for Thornton Smith,
Section 1.
Mr. Orlowski: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
Mr. Ward: North Fork Industrial Park (a.k.a. Tide GrouD) - This major subdivision
is for 8 lots on 29.11 acres located on the northeast corner of Middle Road and
Depot Lane in the LIO District in Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-96-1-1. What's the
pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I make the following motion; be it resolved to adopt
the bond estimate dated February 3, 1996 and to recommend same to the Town
Board. The bond estimate is in the amount of S405,295.00, with an administration
fee in the amount of $24,317.70.
Mr. Latham: Second
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. Al in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
Mr. Cremers: And, be it resolved that the Southold Town Planning Board set
Monday, March 18, 1996 at 7:35 p.m. for a final public hearing on the maps dated
February 5, 1996.
Mr. Orlowski: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
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Sketch Extensions:
Mr. Ward: Peconic Development Corp. (a.k.a. Harvest Homes): - This major
subdivision is for 13 lots on 14.9 acres located on Oaklawn Ave and Wells Ave. in
Southold. SCTM# 1000-70-3-22.
Mr. Latham: Be it resolved that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a six
month extension of sketch approval from February 7, 1996 to August 7.1996.
Mr. Cremers: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Latham: Also be it resolved to adopt the Engineering Inspector's report dated
February 13, 1996.
Mr. Cremers: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ortowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
Review of Reports: Engineering
Mr. Ward: Ann Marie Nelson- This minor subdivision ~s for 4 lots on 12.1 acres
located on the west side of Ninth St. in Greenport. SCTM# 1000-45-6-9. What's
the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make the following resolution. Be it resolved
to adopt the Engineering Inspector's report dated February 7, 1996.
Mr. Latham: Second the motion.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
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MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES, SET OFF
APPLICATIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT
Determinations:
Mr. Ward: Thornton Smith-Sections I & 2- SCTM# 1000-121-1-1 and 113-7-19.2.
What's the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I make the following motion. Be it resolved that the
Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review
Act, assumes lead agency status, and as lead agency makes a determination of
non-significance and grants a Negative Declaration.
Mr. Latham: Second the motion.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
Mr. Ward: Russell Pellicano - This minor subdivision is for 4 lots on 18.54 acres
on the south side of North Bayview Rd. in Southold. SCTM# 1000-79-8-13. What's
the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Cremers: rVlr. Chairman, I make the following resolution. Be it resolved that the
Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review
Act, assumes lead agency, and as lead agency makes a determination of non-
significance and grants a Negative Declaration.
Mr. Orlowski: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Mr. Ward: Board to approve the January 29, 1996 minutes. Is there a motion?
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Mr. Orlowski: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Moved. Seconded?
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Ward: All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
OTHER
Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that WHEREAS, the Planning
Board has standing policies in regard to time frames for conditional final approvals
of subdivisions, set-offs, lot line changes and site plans; and
WHEREAS, the Planning Board wishes to adopt these policies in order to provide
uniform guidance to applicants and to the public; and
WHEREAS, the policies are set forth in the attached Policies in Regard to Time
Frames for Conditional Final Approvals of Subdivisions, Set-offs, Lot line Changes
and Site Plans; and
WHEREAS, the Planning Board has determined that the policy adoption is a Type
action under the State Environmental Quality Review Act; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board set March 18, 1996, at 7:40
P.M. for a public hearing on the Policies in Regard to Time Frames for Conditional
Final Approvals of Subdivisions, Set-offs, Lot Line Changes and Site Plans.
Mr. Cremers: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
Mr. Ward: Policies ~n regard to time frames for conditional final approvals of
subdivisions, set-offs, lot line changes and site plans. What's the pleasure of the
Board?
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Mr. Ward: Is there anyone here that would tike to address the Board in their public
session, on the record, otherwise we'll be adjourning now and going to a work
session. I noticed some of you are here for that. Any member of the Board wish to
state anything at this point for the public record? If not, a motion is in order to
adjourn.
Mr. Orlowski: So moved.
Mr. Cremers: Second.
Mr. Ward: Moved and seconded. Al in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting adjourned
at 8:30 p.m.
Richard G. Ward, Chairman
Respectfully submitted,
Martha A. Jones
Secretary