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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-01/29/1996PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS RICHARD G. WARD Chairman GEORGE RITCHIE LATHAM, JR. BENNETT ORLOWSKI, JR. WILLIAM J. CREMERS KENNETH L. EDWARDS Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 1179 Southold, New York 11971 Fax (516) 765-3136 Telephone (516) 765-1938 PLANNING BOARD OFFICE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD MINUTES January 29, 1996 Present were: Richard G. Ward, Chairman Bennett Orlowski, Jr. G. Ritchie Latham Kenneth Edwards Valerie Scopaz, Town Planner Melissa Spiro, Planner Absent: William Cremers Robert G. Kassner, Site Plan Reviewer Martha A. Jones, Secretary Mr. Ward: Good evening. I'd like to call to order the January 29, 1996 Planning Board meeting for the Town of Southold. The first order of business is the setting of the Planning Board meeting for February 26, 1996 at 7:30 p.m. at Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, as the time and place for the next regular Planning Board meeting. Is there a second? Mr. Orlowski: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. Hearings Held Over From Previous Meetings: Mr. Ward: Richard Corazzini - This site plan is for a 25,200 square foot office, storage and repair building on a 6.910 acre site located on Cox Lane in Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-84-1-26.2. Is the applicant here, or agent for the applicant that would like to address the Board? If not, what's the pleasure of the Board? Any comments from the Board at this point? If not, all is in order to close the hearing. Southold Town Planning Board 2 January 29, 1996 Mr. Orlowski: So moved. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Ward: Moved and seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. 0rlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. What's the further pleasure of the Board? Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, do an uncoordinated review of this unlisted action. The Planning Board establishes itself as lead agency, and as lead agency makes a determination of non-significance and grants a Negative Declaration. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. What's the further pleasure of the Board? Mr. 0rlowski: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that WHEREAS, Richard W. Corazzini is the owner of the property known and designated as proposed site plan for Richard~W. Corazz~ni, located at Cox's Lane in Cutchogue, SCTM# 1000-84-1- 26.2; and WHEREAS, a formal application for the approval of this site plan was submitted on July 8, 1993; and WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617, declared itself lead agency and issued a Negative Declaration on January 29, 1996; and WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Site Plan Regulations of the Town of Southold have been met; be it therefOre RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant conditional final approval on the surveys dated January 5, 1996 and authorize the Chairman to Southold Town Planning Board 3 January 29, 1996 endorse the surveys subject to fulfillment of the following conditions. All conditions must be met within six (6) months of the date of this resolution: 1. Certification by the Senior Building Inspector. 2. Review by the Suffolk County Department of Health Services. 3. Review by the Architectural Review Committee. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. Final Extensions: Mr. Ward. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. Sketch Determinations: Mr. Ward: Thornton Smith- This major subdivision is for 9 lots on 80.5893 acres located on the north side of Sound Ave. and the east side of Bergen Ave. in Mattituck. The project is designed in two sections. Section ], comprising 47.2985 Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a six month extension of conditional final approval from January 10, 1996 to July 10, 1996. This additional extension was granted due to the fact that the project was involved in litigation from February 2, 1995 to August 15, 1995. Mr. Ward: Cove Beach Estates - This major subdivision is for 34 lots on 98.27 acres located on the north side of Main Road; 1776 feet east of Stars Road in East Marion. SCTM# 1000-22-3-15.1 & 18.3 What's the pleasure of the Board? Southold Town Planning Board 4 January 29, 1996 acres, will result in 3 non-residential lots; the development rights will be sold to the Town on lots 1 & 2 and lot 3 will be placed under a conservation easement to the Peconic Land Trust. Section 2, comprising 33.2908 acres will result in six, 5 acre residential lots. SCTM# 1000-121-1-1 and 113-7-19.2. What's the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Chairman: rd like to make a motion that WHEREAS, Thornton Smith has an application before the Southold Planning Board to subdivide a 80.5893 acre parcel; and WHEREAS, Section i contains three non-buildable lots: Lot #1 is 28.8633 acres in area and the development rights on this proposed lot have been sold to the Town of Southold, Lot #2 is 5.0295 acres in area and the development rights on this proposed lot have been sold to the Town of Southold, and Lot #3 is 13.4057 acres in area, including a proposed drainage easement to the Town of Southold, and is protected by a conservation easement which has been voluntarily granted to the Peconic Land Trust; and WHEREAS, Section 2 is 33.2908 acres in area which is protected by a conservation easement held by the Peconic Land Trust, and has the potential to be developed into no more than six, 5 acre lots; be it therefore BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant sketch approval to the Thornton Smith major subdivision proposal, map dated January 23, 1996, Sections I and 2. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Ward: All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. Mr. Ward: Be it resolved that the Southold Town Planning Board start the lead agency coordination process on the Thornton smith major subdivision proposal, map dated January 23, 1996, Sections I and 2. Is there a second? Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Southold Town Planning Board 5 January 29, 1996 Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. Thornton Smith: Did I hear that you granted sketch plan approval on section two as well as section one? Mr. Ward: Yes. Mr. Smith: Thank you. Mr. Ward: Russell Pellicano - This minor subdivision is for 4 lots on 18.54 acres on the south side of North Bayview Road in Southold. SCTM# 1000-79-8-13. What's the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Chairman, I make a motion that the Southold Town Planning Board start the lead agency coordination process on this unlisted action. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. Mr. Orlowski: I'd like to make a further motion that BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant sketch approval on the map dated November 13, 1995 with the following conditions: The building envelope for Lot 1 shall be amended so that it is similar in size to the envelopes shown for Lots 2, 3 and 4. The area located outside of the building envelope for Lot I shall be contained in an Open Space Easement. The terms for the Open Space Easement Area shall be as follows: The said premises described as the Open Space Easement on the final' map for Russell Pellicano will forever be kept open and free of all buildings and other structures, including any bill boards or other advertising premises. b. No dumping or burning of refuse shall be permitted on the said premises. Southold Town Planning Board 6 January 29, 1996 c. The natural resources and condition of the said premises shall remain undisturbed and in its natural state, and to this end no top soil, sand, gravel, rock or minerals shall be excavated or removed therefrom, no grading shall be conducted on the said premises and no planting or fill shall be placed upon the said premises, and nothing shall be permitted to occur on the said premises which would contribute to the erosion of the land, and no trees on the said premises shall be cut or removed and no other plants or vegetation on the said premises shall be destroyed or removed, except for the removal of such dead, d~s- eased or decayed trees or vegetation which may be required for conservation or scenic purposes. Except that a driveway may be constructed and Declarants or their assigns may use same as is necessary to travel to and from the building envelope areas depicted on the final map. There shall be no further subdivision of any lot shown in the subdivision in perpetuity. A 100 foot building set back from the wetland area shall be shown on the final map. This will provide an adequate buffer to ensure that land use does not impact the wetlands. The following terms shall apply to the 100 foot wetland buffer: Clearing and cutting within this area shall be limited to that necessary for proper maintenance and removal of diseased, decayed or dead material and obnoxious plant species. Such clearing and cutting shall be subject to review by the Board of Trustees of the Town of Southold prior to clearing and cutting to insure proper maintenance and preservation of the natural buffer. Mr. Latham: Second, Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. Al in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. Sketch Extensions: Mr. Ward: Aliperti Estates - This major subdivision is for 10 lots on 45.2155 acres located on the north side of Oregon Rd; 877 feet west of Alvah's Lane in Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-95-1-3. I'd like to offer this motion that the Southold Southold Town Planning Board 7 January 29, 1996 Town Planning Board grant a six month extension of sketch approval from February 6, 1996 to August 6, 1996. Mr. Edwards: Second the motion. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favo~ Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. Sketch Extensions: Mr. Ward: John P. Krupski Bros., Inc. - This proposal is to set off a 3.88 acre parcel from an existing 36.027 acre parcel located on C.R. 48, in Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-96-2-8. What's the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a s~x month extension of sketch approval from January 9, 1996 to July 9, 1996. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried Review of Reports: Engineering Mr. Ward: ~- This approved cluster subdivision contains 7 lots on 15.3573 acres on the east side of Ole Jule Lane. SCTM# 1000-114-12-14. What's the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Orlowski: Mr, Chairman, I make a motion to adopt the Engineering Inspector's report dated December 19, 1995. In regard to Number 3 of the report, street trees must be planted at intervals of 40 feet in all areas where the existing trees have been removed and in all areas where trees are to be removed. Southold Town Planning Board 8 January 29, 1996 In regard to Number 4 of the report, the firewell was test'ed and accepted by the Mattituck Fire Department in March of 1995. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. Review of Reports: Suffolk County Planning Commission Mr. Ward: Ann Marie Nelson- This minor subdivision is for 4 lots on 12.1 acres located on the west side of Ninth St. in Greenport. SCTM# 1000-45-6-9. What's the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I move to adopt the January 5, 1996 Suffolk County Planning Commission report with the following amendment: Condition Number 2 is to be omitted, Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES, SET OFF APPLICATIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT Determinations: Mr. Ward: Estate of G. Sanders Nowell - This proposed minor subdivision is for 2 lots on 18.165 acres located on Main Road in East Marion. SCTM# 1000-31-2- 14 & 32. What's the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Latham: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, assume lead agency, and as lead agency make a determination of non-significance, and grant a Negative Declaration. Southold Town Planning Board 9 January 29, 1996 Mr. Edwards: Second the motion. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. 0rlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards. Mr. Ward: Opposed? One abstention for me. Motion carried. Mr. Ward: Ann Marie Nelson- What's the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Edwards: rVlr. Chairman, I move that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, assumes lead agency status,and as lead agency makes a determination of non-significance, and grants a Negative Declaration. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. SITE PLANS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT Determinations: Mr. Ward: Matt-a-Mar Marina- This site plan is to construct a 4 x 40 foot fixed walkway, 4 x 20 foot ramp and a 5 x 190 foot floating dock for nine boats. SCTM# 1000-114-3-1 and 139-2-5. What's the pleasure of the Board? Mr. Latham: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to offer this resolution. Be it resolved that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, establishes itself as lead agency,and as lead agency makes a determination of non-significance, and grants a Negative Declaration. Mr. Edwards: Second the motion. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. 0rlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Southold Town Planning Board 10 January 29, 1996 Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES Mr. Ward: Board to approve the December 11, 1995 minutes. Mr. Edwards: Second. Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor? Ayes: Mr. 0rlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. Is there a second? OTHER Mr. Ward: Under "Other" tonight we have an informational presentation for Mariculture Technologies, Inc. which is regarding the Proposed Finfish Aquaculture project. I see that the applicants are here and we'd like to have you come up and...if you would, it would be best if you could use the microphone so you'll be on our tape. Unknown: First, thank you very much. rm not quite sure where want me to start. Would you like a little review of the project so you get an understanding of what we are trying to do? Mr. Ward: Yes, what I'd like you to do, if you would, is to state, so you're on the record, who you are and who you represent and a little bit about the project, is why we asked you in tonight. Bob Linc: Sure. My name is Bob Linc. rm the President and founder of a company called Mariculture Technologies, Inc. Mariculture Technologies, Inc. is in the business of raising finfish; the finfish specifically being summer flounder. Our project was conceived ten years ago this coming February 3. After going through a litany of arguments that New York State has, we compiled what I assumed you read from the letter you sent me, an environmental impact statement that conformed to the SEQRA process. In that ElS we set the standard for anyone who wished to set up an aquaculture finfish farm. The flnfish farm that we're proposing is to address the shortages that exist in the world today on flat fish. The shortages are of catastrophic proportions, although people don't know that. The business of mariculture, the business of Southold Town Planning Board 11 3anuary 29, 1996 aquaculture, is something that is done on a worldwide basis. There are 17 million metric tons of aquaculture product produced in the world today. If this 17 million metric tons of aquaculture product was not done, processed, grown, raised, distributed and consumed in the world today, our oceans would have to be closed down. And that's sort of a draconian statement, but it's true. The sustainable yield for finfish to feed ourselves across the world is one million metric tons. We are averaging about 78 million to 82 million metric tons right now, of which 17 million of that is grown. Most of this growth occurs in third world countries, in some cases, a little bit in Europe and about 50 million pounds only in Chile, so it's just coming to this side of the world. The reason that it does not occur in the United States is because the United States requires a tremendous amount of diligence, and most business people say, "well, I don't want to do the diligence." They don't do the diligence and they take the time and the money that they would invest normally in the United States, and they invest it in a third world country. Mariculture Technology chose to do the diligence, chose to set the highest common denominator for anyone who was to follow, and is very happy to be here. We are probably more than anybody else on the North Fork, more environmentally conscious...we are as much an environmentalist as anyone else because water quality to us is probably more important than it is to anyone else because with poor water quality, our fish are going to die. If our fish die, we don't have a project. With that in mind, we have been working very, very diligently for the last three, three and a half years, and through, I guess now our third administration in the Town of Southold, and with the Village of Greenport, to acquire for a period of forty years, the parcel known as Clark's Beach. At this parcel we will, hopefully, be able to construct a hatchery that would be no different than the greenhouses that you currently see on the North Fork and in the hatchery we would be growing fish to about six to eight inches in size, and then bringing them out to the net pens at the site in the northeast corner of Gardiner's Bay. We also hope to bring to the North Fork area directly, in excess of one hundred jobs. Indirectly, all the common denominators that go with that. You can take all your measures, and then New York State says, "oh, you can make one job and you employ a half a person in a deli and a quarter of a person in a gas station, and the next thing you know you've got two people", and so on. We also hope to construct this hatchery in that pen site to the point where it becomes the model for other countries and compames to come to New York. The amount of diligence that was exercised here would...Tom Fox was over here, the company that he represents comes from Canada. They've already agreed, once we're up and running to move their company down. We don't employ them, but that's another (inaudible) benefit. Southold Town Planning Board 12 January 29, 1996 We've worked with Cornell to establish a long term, on going educational relationship. We've worked with Natural Marine Fishery Services, down in Washington, to establish a long term relationship. We've worked with the USDA to set up educational avenues as well as common sense business avenues to increase this. We've worked with every environmentalist group that in fact would work with us, from the audibon people to the endangered species, we went down to Washington, went through the endangered species act. We've done, what I consider an inordinate amount of diligence work and again, if you saw the ElS, it weighs about 11 lbs. I only carry about one or two of them at a time when I bring them in to somebody. We're very, very happy to be here. We've been in business for three years. We haven't really made a lot of noise because we're just going about the business of setting up our company. I hope that gives you a fair overview of what you're looking for. Mr. Ward: In terms of the site specific elements, could you address what is proposed at this site in terms of site buildings and coverage and parking and ingress and egress and things like that, that we as a Planning Board might be interested in? Mr. Linc: Sure. Can 1 ask Merlon Wiggin, who has done most of the design work, to do that for us? Mr. Ward: Fine. Merlon Wiggin: I'm Merle Wiggin, Peconic Associates, and we're the principal along with Suffolk Environmental, who prepared the impact statement, which I assume you've all had a chance to at least look at and read. Mr. Ward: Didn't read it yet. Mr. Wiggin: rm sure you could read it faster than it took to write it. I have with me cop~es of the phase outline schedule which is extracted from the impact statement. rll give a copy...I think it will kind of help to explain what the hatchery (inaudible) proposal is about. That phase outline schedule is separated in different parts. The first page you see is the brood stock, which is the first phase of the hatchery. When you turn the page you come to early larva and the next page is weaning and the next page is juvenile and the last page you have (inaudible). Those are the stages of fish development before they are removed from the hatchery facility and put into the offshore net pens. Southold Town Planning Board 13 January 29, 1996 Now, these stages of development, the ones that take place in a hatchery environment and on land. Bruce is here and he can answer more details and Chris Smith as well. You see I've marked on the left hand side there Clark's beach, up through phase 4. In our preliminary planning for the hatchery at Clark's beach, we envision that site (inaudible) through phase 4 for the hatchery. Phase 5 and 6 are going to be done someplace else, at this time that site is not known. Talk about the time frames. It takes from the brood stock, up to a time of the (inaudible) stage, (inaudible) approximately one year. And then the six month (inaudible). So, the whole process is 18 months, in that general vicinity. Were in the present preliminary stages of preparing a site plan to not review with the Village of Greenport, but to submit to the Town of Southold Planning Board. That would show the facilities which would include the hatchery and the tanks for (inaudible) the fish and the water treatment which is a major part of the planning, is the water treatment facility because of the amount of water that has to be recirculated. To give you an idea, about 20% of the water is replaced and new water is brought in through proposed saltwater wells. So part of the site plan would include saltwater wells and a major water treatment facility which would remove the solids to (inaudible), reduce the BOD, which is not only for the purpose of what goes into the Sound but is also necessary for the health and welfare of the fish. The preliminary schedule that has just been put together here in the last few days is the...Mariculture Technologies hopes to have, or needs to have if they're going to keep on the present schedule, a first phase facility in place come September of this year. And that is for twofold purposes; to (inaudible) the brood stock to get then acclimated to the area for the phase one and two, and also to house a portion of the small fish that will be introduced into the net pens in the spring of 1997. The brood stock that will be brought in for acclimation, will not be able to produce size fish until spnng of 1998. These fish need to be grown, in the summertime, in the six months, so it's based on a yearly projection from April, May through November of each year otherwise the whole program would slip one more year before it could start again. So, one of the things we'd like your input in is any particular details of the site plan. We've just started the preliminary layout of the site plan and so we're not really ready to (inaudible). We've had a preliminary plan showing the projected facilities on the charts in front of you. That was done some time ago and needs further refinement and details of what needs building and the details of construction, the parking is only shown in generalities. The employees will not be great in number. I think up to phase 4 the employees are 20 or so...Bob? Mr. Linc: Twenty or thirty. Mr. Wiggin: Twenty or thirty, in that stage. Southold Town Planning Board 14 January 29, 1996 Mr. Linc: Just for the hatchery. Mr. Wiggin: And we also need the maintenance personnel and we also want space for visiting personnel. We expect this will be an attraction because of the uniqueness and they'll be organizational tours made. Cornell also is thinking about a public information area where they can demonstrate and show just how finfish are grown, how the whole process works from the hatchery right through the (inaudible) site; to include a model net pen (inaudible). Now I realize I haven't gone into a lot of detail. You wil see on the right hand side of the column the amount of facility in square feet for each of those phases. But you can see it's significant in size. The (inaudible) phase one and two in the beginning and the schedule for the phase three and four will optimistically will occur in increments of one year. Mr. Orlowski: These are all greenhouse structures? Mr. Wiggin: The primary greenhouse structures, of course the treatment plant won't be a greenhouse structure, but the majority will be greenhouse structures. Mr. Latham: Is this privately funded? Tell me about the company a little bit. Mr. Wiggin: Well, I'll have to get Bob back for that. We thought the Town of Southold might wan! to be an investor, I say that in jest. It's privately funded and Bob can go into that. Mr. Latham: Well, you can go on with yours, that's alright. Mr. Wiggin: We realize that we're not ready to come to the Planning Board yet. We hope to be (inaudible) with a site plan prepared, rve probably raised more questions than I have answers, but if you have any questions I can answer now, rd be happy to do so. Mr. Edwards: It sounds to me that you're going to need quite a bit of parking for ultimately 100 workers and.., Mr, Wiggin: Twenty. Mr. Edwards: Well, I thought it said it was going to create 100 jobs. Mr. Wiggin: The majority of the jobs are associated with the (inaudible) site which is off Plum Island. That part will not be here at the hatchery, that will be a different location. It will not be here. So about 20 employees, plus visitors, is what we expect for parking. Mr. Orlowski: This total square footage comes out to about 8 acres of greenhouse, Southold Town Planning Board 15 January 29, 1996 is that about right? Mr. Wiggin: That's correct. And the whole thing is about 12 acres of facilities. Mr. Orlowski: Of buildings. Mr. Wiggin: Of buildings, rm sorry. I think 12 acres including the parking, the whole thing is about 12 acres. Mr. Ward: Do you anticipate...if you were able to get the zone change that you're requesting, how does this facility fit with the coverages and things for that zone? I don't have the answer to that. We haven't made an application to the Zoning Board yet. Mr. Ward: Are you up against more variances with the lot coverage here? Mr. Wiggin: We're not using a lot of the site because a lot of it is going to be left in its natural state, all along the bluff and also the portion to the east. So we think the coverage on the preliminary rewew is going to be OK. Mr. Latham: Merle, the saltwater well, is that down on the beach or is it back further? What's that going to do to the intrusion into other parcels to the west, I think? Mr. Wiggin: The saltwater wells are proposed along just back from the eoge of the bluff. And you ought to realize from your own planning efforts that all the freshwater lands is (inaudible) with saltwater and the freshwater lands at that area so close to the beach is almost non-existent. We've already had a test well done and the (inaudible) walls were only for the purpose of make up but not for the total waterflow through the hatchery. Mr. Latham: I was just concerned with the residential property to the west. Mr. Wiggin: I understand. The saltwater well is preliminary located on the central and east portion of the site, which the east portion of the site is county park land, and the draw down on the preliminary test well was very very nominal. Seeing as the wells are several hundred feet from the nearest residence well, we're not anticipating that's going to be a problem. Mr. Latham: Have you talked to the county? What does the county say? Mr. Wiggin: About the other portion of the site? Mr. Latham: About their part in it. Mr. Wiggin: The portion of the county, which is also you see shown on there, is still Southold Tow, Planning Board 16 January 29, 1996 under review with them, negotiations I guess you'd say at this point. We don't know the answer to that yet. Mr. Latham: I have one more question. Is the repair of the sewer outfall pipe for the Village, it's in need of repair. Mr. Wiggin: Yes. Mr. Latham: And you would keep it in repair? Mr. Wiggin: Well that's really not, I don't think the purview of Mariculture Technologies. It's been suggested by the DEC and certainly (inaudible) objection is that the connection for the (inaudible) to be tied into the same outfall line as that presently used by the Village of Greenport. They're replacing that and the size will be adequate to take care of both (inaudible). This is saltwater we're going to be discharging, not freshwater. Saltwater's been through the treatment plant for removal of solid BOD and nitrates. Mr. Ward: Just as a general comment, you're here today in January. September is very soon around the corner. The zoning issue hasn't been satisfied. We don't have a site plan in front of us to get us into the SEQRA process. ! don't know really that you can do it in that time frame. Mr. Wiggin: We have that same concern and unfortunately the SEQRA and the environmental process, DEC impact statement, took six months longer than we expected. It really wasn't on the part of Mariculture but the lead agency took a lot longer to get the initial review back. This has set the whole thing in for a tight squeeze. And it's well understood that if the first small portion of the facility cannot be met on time, it means one year later. It's not something you can delay three months or two months, it's a year delay. So, all we can do is push forth and see if there are any problems around that would delay which is something they'd like not to have happen. We know the time frame is extremely tight. Mr. Linc: It wasn't designed that way originally and then we couldn't come to you until we finished the SEQRA process because we couldn't give you an uncompleted ElS, so it was one of those catch 22's. It's not a problem, it happens. We're getting good at that now, and here we are. Mr. Wiggin: That was the reason we were really (inaudible) to submit any permit request until after the impact statement has been accepted as complete which has only happened two or three weeks ago. Ms. Scopaz: I just have one question. In reading the ElS, and I may have missed this, but I gathered the county of Suffolk was agreeable to letting you use that part of their property... Southold Town Planning Board 17 January 29, 1996 Mr. Wiggin: That's still in the negotiation stage. That's not necessary for the first two phases. That's not critical at first. If you go up through phase 4 and less space will be needed as well. Ms. Scopaz: I was just wondering if that didn't pan out whether you would just simply incorporate that into the village proper~ somehow. Mr. Wiggin: We could look at a cou pie of options and one, we might be able to have the tanks three high or two high, which is one thought, to stack them up higher, which would be something we could plan on at a later date; or we might have to scale back the size of the hatchery to phase three, and then the phase four would have to join some other location phase 5 and 6. We don't have an answer to that now and don't expect to have that in time for your initial review. Mr. Linc: If can add something, and this isn't Merlon's fault. He was just down in Venezuela for a week and a half. But the County of Suffolk did call us up last week and they said that those properties were parklands, that it would take a two year resolution to change it. I did not have a chance to communicate that with Merlon today. I had a million things to go over with him, but that is not one of the things I went over with him. So, he wasn't aware of it because when he left for Venezuela it was just as he stated it. So we are going to have to make some adjustments, but I didn't want to tell him that the first day he was back from vacation. Mr. Wiggin: It took six months for Suffolk County to come to that determination themselves. They thought they'd be able to use it and once they researched it they realized it was viable. Mr. Ward: Well, we appreciate you filling us in a little bit. realize you don't have your specifics yet but I guess the number one thing is your zoning issue, number two, and you're dealing with it, is Suffolk County, and so we wish you luck with it and see where we go. Mr. Latham: Just one question. Is this all private money? Mr. Wiggin: Just one moment, could I have a Planning Board schedule for the next thirty days? Mr. Ward: We'll give it to you for the year. It's posted outside our office. Mr. Wiggin: Thank you. (Change tape) Mr. Linc: We were fortunate enough to apply to the federal government for a grant. And we did receive a grant for $458,000.00; but in order to utilize that grant we had to go three to one on it. So, the $458,000.00 grant that we're getting from the government, we're putting back three dollars to every one we get. And then all that information becomes public knowledge. And that's how it should be, we have Southold Town Planning Board 18 January 29, 1996 no problems with sharing our infOrmation with anybody that wishes to go into this business. We're a very very small business but we deem ourselves a very necessary business. If you're going to look at the world food shortages and all the other (inaudible) that are going on, ...and I will extend an invitation to each and everyone of you at any time to come to the facility. Our office is like an encyclopedia. We will show you anything that you need to know about aquaculture, mariculture, fish, world feeding, we'll feed China, the grain shortage projected in the year 2006; you name it, we've got it. And you're all welcome, all you have to do is call to make sure we're there because fortunately, we've been very very busy, but at anytime please avail yourselves. Please, I want you to feel comfortable at all times with this project. I don't want you to have a question. We're very accessible and rm not shy. Mr. Latham: Thank you. It isn't probably part of our business to, I just thought rd ask you about it. Mr. Linc: I have a prospectus for you. I always carry one in the briefcase. I'm prepared. Mr. Latham: I was just interested. It's not a public...the taxpayer is not involved in it in any way. Outside of the federal grant. Mr. Linc: No, I did want you to know about the grant. There was a fisheries assistance grant, they put up thirty million dollars to help the fisheries, the fishermen, the whole fishing situation in the United States. It's probably not common knowledge that we've closed the Georgia's Banks. Maybe you've never heard of the Georgia's Banks, but it was the most productive fishing area in the world ten years ago. Now it's dead, it's a sin. And the federal government said we will close it for ninety days. Well, that was a year and a half ago, and was just down in Washington this past Monday and Tuesday and they're talking about keeping it closed for two generations. That means when they re-open that rll be dead. I'll be fish food. But, two generations, that's forty years. That's a long long time, that's frightening. The grant we received was put in an emergency allocation, nothing to do with taxpayers money. The grant came from FEMA, which I guess is taxpayers money. We did not solicit it, it became available, we went after it. The first two rounds of the money, nobody from New York got a penny. We went down to Washington and said hey, it's for New York, New Jersey and New England and New York didn't get a penny. We sent in, I think it was 22 proposals. Not me, I was one, Cornelt was one, and a bunch of other people. New Jersey sent in some. It was what it was. So, we said well we're going back after it. And we went back after it and we did our homework and we made no~se, and we wrote a good Southold Town Planning Board 19 January 29, 1996 proposal that made sense. We also agreed to give back three dollars to every one that we got from the government. If you're a business man and the government was looking at this as a business, we were one of the only of two people who said OK, we like this but we'll give you this in return. So, anytime, please avail yourselves, come down. Mr. Edwards: Just as a point of interest, why did you pick summer flounder as your species to raise? It's endangered? Mr. Linc: That's easy. Actually, yes, they're is a moratorium recreationally on it. You can only catch six. Commercially, they have a quota of 13 million pounds up and down the east coast, through the United States Marine Fishers Commission. But more importantly, it grows quickly, and the people in Japan pay $15 a pound for it. And if I was going to take somebody's money in, and I have, I better show them that they can get a return on their investment or they're going to come and give me a good spanking. If Japan is willing to pay $15 a pound, I'm willing to sell them fish at that price. It's really very simple. The other reason is, if you're going to grow something, there is a fish called tilapia, I don't know if you've ever heard of it, but it's good fish, but did you know what a tilapia was? No? But, everyone knows what flounder is. So strictly from a marketing point of view, we didn't have to go out and recreate the wheel. That's why we chose summer flounder. It's hearty, it gets very few diseases. Would you like a biological answer? We're prepared. Bruce Anderson: My name is Bruce Anderson, of Suffolk Environmental Consulting and my company and Mr. Wiggins company wrote the impact statement which I guess found its way to some people who are anxiously reading it and in that impact statement is a lengthy treatise on the biology of the summer flounder. And the interesting thing about the summer flounder is, of course its fast growth rate, it's general hardiness, its marketability, all which you've heard tonight. We believe since we will be culturing essentially wild stock that the disease and aspects of it should be fairly limited. We also are culturing in such a way as to keep the stocking densities far lower than is what theoretically possible on it. So in conjunction with the way the fish grows, it's known disease agents and so forth, we think it's an excellent choice for these waters. We will be culturing what is known as a northern stock of the summer flounder, which is a much more high vigor, fast growing, temperature tolerant type summer flounder as opposed to the southern stock which stems all the way up to essentially probably the southern quarter of Delaware. My understanding that the purpose of this meeting is just a general informatio hal meeting, and I'm here to answer any specific questions you may have. Of course, we're going to be looking to work very closely with this Board and the Town in Southold Town Planning Board 20 January 29, 1996 general in bringing forward a project that we believe will be successful and one that we think the Town will be proud of, not only from the standpoint of another industry that will open up that's really a tradition between farming and fishing, but also some of the tourism aspects of it, the employment aspects of it, the marketing aspects of it. I will admit that it's a rather complicated proposal and I think the best thing that 1 can do as a consultant is to perhaps to work as closely with your staff as I can so that we don't get really hung up in the minutia of the building, the parking, the landscaping and all that kind of stuff. We can sort of tackle that head on because it's important that the process move forward in a orderly and expeditious way. So if you have any specific questions about the biology, I can take you from the egg to the filet if you like. Or it might be easier to simply read that section on the biology, because it is rather involved. Mr. Orlowski: Any of this fish going to end up being stocked in the local fishing areas out there? Mr. Anderson: Well, it's interesting that you ask that. When we were initially proposing this, we had made an offer to release some, and that offer was turned down by the State of New York, which we frankly found surprising. We thought that we'd offer it as a way to give back. I suppose the reason for pre-empting us on our offer was the thought that the fish that we would be growing would somehow be genetically altered, but can assure you that's not the case. In fact, the fish that we will be breeding for food production will be comprised of wild stock population and therefore there's no expectation that the genetic make-up of the cultured fish itself will be altered in any way. So, while we've made that offer, we have been turned down. It doesn't make good biological sense, but in the same point it's probably easier on the projects sponsor. Mr. Ward: A question for the applicant. Since there is a lot of industrially zoned property in the town, has that all been exhausted and there's nothing that would work for you? Mr. Linc: Well, yes. The choice of Clark's Beach had more to do with water supply than anything else. I know as planners, when you talk about water supply we're usually talking about potable water and groundwater resources or extension of water mains and so forth, but in the culture setting the interest is really in deriving a reliable, clean source of saltwater. And that's what brought us to the shoreline of Clark's Beach. We propose groundwater wells that will essentially pull up from ttze saltwater aquifer adjacent to the shoreline, and that will be our water source for the hatchery production of the summer flounder. So, we can't really choose a wholly upland site and really tap into a reliable saltwater aquifer and that leads us to the coast line of which frankly there's not a whole lot of choices available. Southold Town Planning Board 21 January 29, 1996 Mr. Wiggin: The thing about it is that normally to use saltwater wells we need a point discharge for the effluent to replace the make-up water. In the preliminary discussion with the DEC with the effluent there, this was a much more ideal site than anywhere else. Mr. Latham: What's that going to do to the sound, pumping stuff out there? It's not going to help it any ~s it? That's what you mean by the effluent? What's left? Mr. Wiggin: This is saltwater effluent. Mr. Latham: Well, whatever it is, Mr. Wiggin: So the quality of water going into the Sound is going to be saltwater and it's going to be approximately the same that's already there. Mr. Latham: So what's the effluent, what does that mean? Mr. Wiggin: Effluent is a generic term used for a discharge from a water treatment plant. So we'll take the water out of the hatchery, which is saltwater, treat it to remove the nutrients, remove the suspended solids, reduce the BOD, then it goes back into the Sound. Mr. Latham: And that's not going to change anything out in the Sound? Mr. Wiggin: That's probably reviewed in the impact statement. Mr. Anderson: The interesting thing is because of the way it's planned, the quality of the effluent is actually going to be very clean and in looking at how the tanks are going to be managed and the fish are going to be managed, we predict really no impact to the waters of LI Sound. Mr. Ward: to do. Alright, we thank you for coming and we trust you have some more work Mr. Ward: Is there anybody here tonight on any other subject that would like to address the Board? We will be going to a worksession after this meeting which you're welcome to stay for. If it has to be on the record, you may approach the Board on that now. If not, all is in order for a motion to adjourn. Mr. Edwards: So moved. Mr. Latham: Second. Mr. Ward: Moved and seconded. All in favor? Southold Town Planning Board 22 January 29, 1996 Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward. Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting adjourned at 8:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Martha A. Jones Secretary