HomeMy WebLinkAboutTR-07/25/2001MINUTES
July 25, 2001
PRESENT WERE:
Albert J. Krupski, Jr., President
Jim King, Vice President
Henry Smith, Trustee
Artie Foster, Trustee
Ken Poliwoda, Trustee
Charlotte Cunningham, Clerk
CALLED MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Wednesday. August 15, 2001 at 8:00 a.m.
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve. TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES.
NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 at 7:00 p.m.
WORKSESSION: 6:00 p.m.
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve. TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded. ALL AYES
APPROVE MINUTES: Approve Minutes of April 18, 2001, May 24, 2001, and June 21,
2001
TRUSTEE FOSTER moved to Approve. TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES
II.
MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustees monthly report for June 2001, a check
for $5,166.28 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office for the General Fund.
PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's
Bulletin Board for review.
iii. AMENDMENT/WAIVERS/CHANGES:
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JEANNE M. POWELL requests an Amendment to Permit #2275 to
remove three (3) existing wood pilings and add five (5) new timber piles
8" x. 20 ft. in length rebuild in kind/in place 6'xl 5' wood step area along
bank, add 6'x8' and 6'x20' float at end, for a "T" float design, add two
6'x6' steps, one on each side at shoreline, replace timber steps in kind/in
place and decking - mooring permit - and to Transfer Permit #2275 from
Bernhard Peper to Jeanne M. Powell. Located: 955 Lupton's Point Road,
Mattituck SCTM# 115-11-6
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Table the application needs new plans.
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve application for a mooring.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA seconded. ALL AYES.
JOE & JUDY ZALNER requests an Amendment to Permit #5249 for a
new sanitary system. Located: 700 Broadwaters Road, Cutchogue, NY
SCTM#104-10-2.1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Approve the application, TRUSTEE
POLIWODA seconded. ALL AYES
Susan E. Long on behalf of WILLIAM & LOUISE SEGALLIS request
an Amendment to Permit#5279 to reconstruct bulkhead and install rock
armor along it entire face. Located: 1170 Willow Terrace Lane, Orient,
NY SCTM#26-2-23
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Table the application will go out next
month to look at it as a Board, TRUSTEE SMITH seconded. ALL AYES
Proper-T Services on behalf of MICHAEL CARBONE request an
Amendment to Permit #698 to reconstruct the existing dock, fixed
walkway 22.5'x4' hinged ramp 10.5'x3', floating dock 16.5'x5', and to
Transfer Permit #698 from William Abinson to Michael Carbone Located:
1580 North Bayview Road, Southold, NY SCTM#70-12-34
TRUSTEE POLIWODA moved to Approve the application, TRUSTEE
KING seconded. ALL AYES
FRANK & ANTOINETTE NOTARO requests an Amendment to
Permit #3692 to remove the outside pilings 10', parallel and away from
the existing dock. This move will stay within the 15' off set from property
line. Located: 635 Calves Neck Road, Southold, NY SCTM#63-7-30.1
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve the application, TRUSTEE
POLIWODA seconded. ALL AYES
JOSEPH & PATRICIA FOELSCH requests a Waiver to extend existing
driveway to go alongside garage to provide drive able access to back yard.
Locates: 1400 Beebe Drive, Cutchogue, NY SCTM#103-03-93
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve the application, TRUSTEE KING
seconded ALL AYES
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DOCKO. INC. on behalf of DAVID PATTERSON request an
Amendment to Permit #4955 for the splitting and removal of a boulder,
approximately 1(+/-) cy of stone over 10 (+/-) sf for upland disposal above
the high tide line. Located Permit #4955 for the splitting and removal of
a boulder, approximately 1(+/-) cy of stone over 10 (+/-) sf for upland
disposal above the high tide line. Located: Hawk's Nest Point, Fisher's
Island, NY SCTM#6-4-5
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Table the application and will go over to
inspect next month, TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded. ALL AYES
Land Use Ecological, Inc. on behalf of JOSEPH CORTALE request an
Amendment #5288 to construct a recreational dock facility consisting of a
4'x35' fixed CCA dock with a 6" dia. timber tie off pile 10' east of the
dock. (8) 4"x6" timber posts are proposed to support the dock facility. A
4'x40' natural wood chip path is proposed to access the dock facility.
Located: 2200 Glenn Road, Southold, NY SCTM#78-2-39
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve the application with the stipulation
that the boat not be more than 1/3 the way out in the channel, TRUSTEE
POLIWODA seconded ALL AYES
PHILIP B. SMITH transfer permit # 762 from James Ruggles to Philip B.
Smith. Located: 320 Beachwood Lane, Southold, NY SCTM#
TRUSTEE POLIWODA moved to Table the application because it is a
different size dock, TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded ALL AYES
10. ANTHONY ALIPERTI (Contract Vendee) transfer from FRANCIS
J. & ELIZABETH H. MURPHY request a one year extension Permit
#5039 Located: 400 Ole Jule Lane, Mattituck, NY SCTM#114-12-13.1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Table the application because it was not
staked, TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded ALL AYES
11. BRUCE R. JOHNSON transfer Permit #1470 from CORINNE BOOS
to BRUCE R. JOHNSON Located: 3765 Stillwater Avenue, Cutchogue,
NY SCTM#137-1-1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Approve the application with the
stipulation that the Bay Constable look at it. TRUSTEE FOSTER
seconded ALL AYES
12. Proper-T Permit Services on behalf of PHILIP ALBRIGHT to transfer
permit #5131 from PHILIP ALBRIGHT to SUSAN BECKER Located:
4483 Wells Road, Southold SCTM#86-1-9.6
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve the application TRUSTEE
FOSTER seconded ALL AYES
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13.
HAROLD J. BAER -ONE YEAR EXTENSION permit #5040 - expires
August 26, 2001 Located: 1425 Meadow Beach Lane, Mattituck
SCTM#116-7-6
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Approve the application with the
stipulation that a 20'non-disturbance buffer from edge of the deck -
seaward TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded ALL AYES
14.
PREM C. CHATPAR & THERESA PRENDERGAST request a one year
extension to Permit #4943 for rebuilding a 1 -1/2 story garage/family
room/library with condition that a 25' non-turf, non-fertilized buffer be
maintained at the Midway Inlet area and the garage/family room/library
not to be used for habitation and that drywells & gutters be placed on the
new garage construction. Proposed project must be substantially started in
order to be eligible for the last one-year extension. Located: 680 Midway
Road, Southold, NY SCTM#90-2-9.1
(Patricia Moore, Esq. representing Ms. Prendergast)
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve the application that this will be the
last one-year extension the project has to be substantial started.
TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to go off the Regular Meeting and go onto the
Public Hearings. TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded ALL AYES
I. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF THE
FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS UNDER THE
WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. I HAVE
AN AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION FROM THE SUFFOLK TIMES.
PERTINENT CORRESPONDENCE MAY BE READ PRIOR TO
ASKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRIEF
FIVE (5) M1NUTES OR LESS IF POSSIBLE
GUSMAR REALTY requests a Wetland Permit to re-seed existing area for
existing sprinkler system and fencing. Located: 1695 Shipyard Lane, East
Marion, NY SCTM#38-7-12
(POSTPONED PER ATTORNEY'S REQUEST)
Land Use Ecological, Inc. on behalf of JOSEPH CORTALE request a Wetland
Permit to construct a 3,380 s.f. +/- residence and a 1,620 s.f. pervious driveway,
proposed septic system would consist of a septic tank and (5) leaching rings. The
residence is proposed to be setback 90 +/- from the Tidal Wetland Line, the
sanitary system is proposed to be set back 100 + from the Tidal Wetland Line.
With all of the proposed activities the adjacent area coverage for non-pervious
areas is proposed to be 14.4%. Located: 2200 Glenn Road, Southold, NY
SCTM#78-2-39
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone would like to speak with regard to this
application?
CHUCK BOWMAN: We had obtained a Waiver some time ago from the Board
the house is almost 100 feet - 90 feet from the wetland area and the permit does
include a 50' non-disturbance buffer so that is what we have. The sanitary system
is out of your jurisdiction.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment on this? We just need to see a
condition of a 50' non-disturbance buffer.
CHUCK BOWMAN: Absolutely, and if you want a survey showing that is fine.
We can do that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Does anyone have any other comments?
Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Permit
on behalf of JOSEPH CORTALE with the stipulation that there be a 50' non-
disturbance buffer in the wetland edge with hay bales placed at the 50' mark
during construction.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor ALL AYES
Land Use-Ecological Services, Inc. on behalf of FRANCIS & MARIA
MCNAMEE request a Wetland Permit to construct 146 linear ft. including return
of "Navy Style" low profile timber bulkhead installation. Proposed top of
bulkhead installation is proposed to match existing elevations of adjacent existing
bulkhead. (22) 8" Dia. CCA timber piles are proposed for the bulkhead
installation 7' on center with a depth of penetration of 10' +. 30 +/- cy. Of clean
fill is proposed to be trucked in and utilized as backfill landward of the proposed
bulkhead. A 550 sq. ft. area is proposed to be planted with Spartina Alterniflora
on 18" center this area is between the AHWM and the bulkhead. A 475 sq. ft.
area is proposed to be planted with Spartina patens on 18" centers; this is the area
between AHWM and the toe of scarp. Located: 910 Glenn Road, Southold,
SCTM# 78-2-27 (AGENT WITHDREW APPLICATION)
WILLIAM A. HANDS, JR. requests a Wetland & Coastal Erosion Permit to
install 8' long by 24" above grade experimental timber groin and place 5 cubic
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yards of pea gravel to each side to fill groin cell. Located: 960 Willow Terrace
Lane, Orient NY SCTM#25-2-21
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone here like to speak in favor of or against the
application? This is one the applications that falls within the review of SEQRA
(State Environmental Quality Review Act). We have a SEQRA resolution to
read here. Resolve by the Board of Trustees of the Town of Southold that the
application of William A. Hands Jr. more fully described in the pubic haring
section #4 of the Trustee agenda dated Wednesday, July 25, 2991 is, pursuant to
the SEQRA rule and regulations, an unlisted action and be it further resolved that
the applicant is required to submit a long environmental assessment form and be it
further resolved that upon receipt of the long environmental form the Clerk of the
Trustees is hereby directed to commence a coordinated review pursuant to
SEQRA.
This is something that our attorney advised us that is required by law. I also had
reservations about approving this tonight in relation to what else is going on in
your front yard. So I would like to come out to your house and your neighbors
and inspect that next month and try to come up with a comprehensive plan not
only for you and your neighbor but for the whole stretch there so it will protect all
the properties not just piece meal. We're afraid if someone does something here
it's going to affect you.
WILLIAM A. HANDS JR: I can appreciate that Al, all were trying to do is
protect what we have. I think Kenny's suggestion was to put three of them as a
trial basis and I went back to Hamilton at the DEC and he said absolutely no way
he said he wants one and they want to monitor it.
Al KR[IPSKI, JR: Now what about your neighbor, Segallis, what about their
application to armor the toe.
WILLIAM A. HANDS JR: I don't believe that's been approved, Ian Crowley is
here, I believe Ian is the contractor on that and perhaps he can explain better that I
can what Mr. Segalis is attempting to do but I think regardless of that I think
everyone in the line would like to put an 8' groin in 20' apart and we're all
willing to spend the money just to protect what we have so we don't have to go
through Mr. Segalis's has gone through.
AL KR[IPSKI, JR: Well see what Mr. Segalis has applied for it sticks out 7' by
Itself.
WILLIAM A. HANDS, JR: I don't believe that is correct.
1AN CROWLEY: After requesting the Dept. of State the rocks be taken off.
TRIJSTEE KRtlPSKI: Oh so it just is bulkhead again.
lan Crowley: Then it's just to build it in place.
TRIJSTEE KRtlPSKI: Well you are more than welcomed to join us on our field
inspection, we want to have the Dept of State out there also, because we really
should have something in place for every property.
lan Crowley: I missed Segalis's thought; I was a few minutes late. Sammy said
that was tabled.
TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: Well what are showed were the rocks sticking out 7'.
One of the things we discussed in the field with Mr. Hands a month or so ago was
armoring rock to protect the whole tow but it should be a consistent pattern there
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of all those properties.
lan Crowley: They don't want any rocks.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well ! think we should meet with them on a, oh ! see,
But there's no access there now.
lan Crowley: No, that's what we've been waiting for, for 3 or 4 months finally
We ceded and we're going to put it in place and no rock.
TRUSTEE SMITH: In kind/in place.
lan Crowley: It's in place it's going to be a different construction but it's going
To be in line the walls going to be taken out.
William Hands: If! may say something, Mr. Segalis is going to spend a lot of
money. There rest of our bulkheads myself and about five other neighbors have
already spent a good deal of money on bulkheads what we don't want to happen
is we don't want to have to go through what Mr. Segalis is going through and
what we're trying to do is we're trying to protect what we have we're not trying to
steal anything. Those bulkheads were put in as retaining walls originally and we
all gave up forty feet of property or they're about. What we don't want to do is
have to spend a lot of money to replace these bulkheads what we're trying to do is
protect them and all we're asking is what can we do.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We want to meet with the Dept. of State, put our heads
together and come up with a plan for the whole section.
William Hands: ! reiterate these were originally retaining walls, they are no
longer retaining walls. And before we get into a problem here we would like to
have permission to do something to protect what we have.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We just want to see a consistent approach done. You
need help there certainly.
William Hands: Well if you understand that then we're willing to go along with
what somebody will let us do that's all we're asking.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So I'll make a motion to table the application, no we
should send this SEQRA review out ! suppose to get the SEQRA going.
SEQRA's like an extra step they have to take and you can call Charlotte and get
The details on it. We're going to coordinate with the State anyway so anyway so
it is not going to affect you anyway. Just call Charlotte and make sure
everything is in place as it doe not hold us up ultimately.
William Hands: Okay are you saying something will be done next month then or
Your not saying?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No ! would rather meet with you on the site to see
What's there, we would rather do this right.
William Hands: Then you're going to contact us and tell us what to do?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No we're going to meet with you on the site August 15th.
So you can bring lan Crowley.
William Hands: I'll be glad to bring him.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So I'll make a motion to recess the hearing but make
Sure he's coordinated with SEQRA.
5. DAVID BELL& RICHARD BUCKHEIT request a Wetland Permit for original
deck along lA of back of house extend deck along entire back of house add stairs
down to yard from center of deck. Construct a raised catwalk above the tidal
wetlands from the edge of the tidal wetland to edge of water. Located: 1375
Island View Lane, Greenport, NY SCTM#57-2-14.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is anyone here who would like to speak in favor of or
against the application? I have requested in the field last week from the applicant
we're in receipt of a plan showing an enclosed catwalk to the edge of the water in
the location that we suggested. The project is changed from 65 to a little less than
40', about 38' but I thought we had discussed a three- foot wide catwalk. I think
I'm kind of inclined to approve it subject to receipt of plans. Do I have a motion
to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I'll make a motion to Approve the application with a
revised plan showing the catwalk 3' wide.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. ALL AYES.
JOHN & BEATRICE LEHNER request a Wetland Permit to replace deck
serving rear entrance to existing house. Replace of ground level deck on bluff.
Located: 505 Lake Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#59-5-20
Mr. Lehner: I wish to replace the decks on this house the steps are unsatisfactory,
I have vertigo and my wife had a fall so we have to get new steps. We might as
well put in a new deck.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's fine you'll be all set.
Mr. Lehner: I can go ahead?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes. Call Charlotte tomorrow and she'll give you the
papers.
Mr. Lehner: It's very difficult today with all the building going on and none of
the contractors, I've contacted six of them, none of them replied I got a list of
materials from JC PENNEY, $5000.00 for lumber alone but I can't get a
contractor. So could I have an extension?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We'll give you two years to do the deck.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I'll make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I'll make a motion to Approve the application.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. ALL AYES
RICHARD & KIM PERRY request a Wetland Permit to construct a 4'x80'
fixed CCA timber catwalk landward from existing catwalk structural CCA timber
piles as required to support proposed 80' catwalk. Catwalk/dock shall be
accessed on-site by a 4'x250' crushed stone pathway, pathway and catwalk
lighting is proposed to be installed to the same. Propose extension of existing
back yard to 100' from back of house (eastward) grade and seed as required
install in ground sprinkler system in proposed expanded back yard and around the
existing developed property. Install 16'x22' CCA timber deck against rear of
house approximately 160' from wetlands. Located: 830 Clearview Road,
Southold, NY SCTM#89-3-11.5
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like to speak briefly on the application?
RICHARD PERRY: I'm just here to answer any questions.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We reviewed this with you in the field. Do I have a
motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I'll make a motion to Approve the application as read.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded. ALL AYES
SAL CAMPO request a Wetland Permit to construct a 16'x32' built in pool with
deck. Located: 1630 Landing Path, Southold, NY SCTM#70-9-53
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like to speak in favor of the application?
Henry you looked at this?
TRUSTEE SMITH: I looked at this they got the DEC permit.
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KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
SMITH: I'll make a motion to close the hearing.
FOSTER: Second ALL AYES
SMITH: Make a motion to include the Wetland Permit to construct
pool with deck located at 1630 Landing Path, Southold for Sal
KRUPSKI: All in favor
FOSTER: Second ALL AYES
ROBERT & DIANE SCHROEDER requests a Wetland Permit for a two-story
house, garage and swimming pool. Located: 150 Rene Drive, Southold, NY
SCTM#54-06-4.3
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone here like to speak in favor of the application?
Diane Schroeder: To let you know we already had a permit which expired and
that's why I'm here again tonight.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you have any comment?
Diane Schroeder: No comment we're aware of the pond in the rear of the property
which we were not supposed to do anything from 30' of pursuant to the previous
permit and we're aware that you don't supply (can't hear) off of Rene's Drive
pursuant to the previous permit.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment on this application?
(Neighbor): a concern that I have is the location of your septic system
Diane Schroeder: I spoke to the surveyor, whatever he had been provided with
was wrong about the location so we're going move it and now that we don't need
to have a well ourselves he can work around that and he' s going to move it I just
have to give him a letter from the water authority saying that there is water
available.
(Neighbor): I knew that the Department of Health had contacted you and they
have a copy of my direct relationship on file with the building department.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And you are ma'am?
(Neighbor): I'm Leslie Wiseman the homeowner adjacent to the west.
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TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: Just want to reference you on the survey, thank you.
Leslie Wiseman: And you have a copy of my survey.
TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: So you're satisfied?
Leslie Wiseman: Well ! need to see a new survey
Diane Schroeder: He will prepare that as soon as ! can show him there is public
water and that we don't need the well then he can move the cesspools to the right
location.
Leslie Wiseman: There is just on other thing that ! would like to talk with you
about and that is on your application your requesting a swimming pool and ! don't
see it anywhere sited on your survey.
Diane Schroeder: It just needs to be drawn in on the survey
Leslie Wiseman: Because there are some concerns about location wells with the
surface water and (can't hear) I'm a professor.., so ! want to make sure. I've lived
in the neighborhood for twenty years almost and am aware of the soil conditions
and problems the neighbors have had with basements caving in and ! don't want
to see another neighbor have an unnecessary hardship in the construction (can't
hear) so it needs to be carefully considered the footprint is now proposing on the
second application about 4000 sqft as opposed to the first permit which was about
2500 sqft (can't hear) and wherever that swimming pool is going to fit and the
pond...
TRIJSTEE KRtlPSKI: Is there any other comment? We would like to see
everything located on the survey beforehand.
Diane Schroeder: The survey has to be redone now to show the proposed septic
system then I'll show you the proposed septic system new survey with the draw in
swimming pool area.
TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: We're going to table this application tonight but we need
to see that pond restored the original approval was for a short driveway off of
Rene's drive adjacent to the house and the area north of the house left undisturbed
so we need to see that pond done, excavated out and that big cut in there
revegetated.
Diane Schroeder: The original permit only talks about the real pond.
TRIJSTEE KRtlPSKI: Well we make it very clear on the original permit this is
very fresh in everyone's mind ! think board agrees that pond in the front, its
labeled on an old survey and we all remember seeing it there and it being there
and that area should be restored and then left undisturbed.
Dianne Schroeder: Okay there was no pond in the front of the property and your
permit only speaks about the rear pond.
TRIJSTEE KRtlPSKI: Well we all remember the pond being there we were all
on site whether is was 2 or 3 years ago and we all remember the pond being there
the permit was in '99... (Can't hear) building envelope in front of the house no
grading or filling to be done near and around ponds so ! think it was pretty clear
what we requested there. There's a survey hear that you can reference if you want
to come in the office tomorrow. And 50' from the house would give you.., it's one
that a lot of the contours are whited out on and the date is June 9th 1999. And this
house location differs substantially from the one you submitted in May of this
year.
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Diane Schroeder: Yes the proposed house has changed.
TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: Okay, and ! think because the property is so constrained
by the two ponds the one on the south and the one to the north that this house was
approved because is really just fit between the two ponds and ! don't think any
encroachment like that, that leads it right into where that pond is in fact that's a
58' garage so ! think if you look at the original survey that was approved it's a
huge difference, what was approved as to what was applied for ! think what was
approved earlier can be approved again what was applied for was substantially
different. And in regard to the septic system this shows it 150' from your septic
system, ! don't know if you're familiar with the old approval.
Leslie Wiseman: Yes (can't hear) property values. So that you would be very
clear about ... and be measured 23' from my well to our mutual property line and
at 40th scale, which is what survey is at, it would have located even on the original
survey my well approximately 73' from your original proposal which would have
been resolved .... the idea is obviously to make sure that before you start
construction (can't hear) so on the original survey its still less than 100' of land
but that was because it was still located incorrectly by... ! don't know why...
because the only permit has been there was 1990...you have a copy
TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: We will
Leslie Wiseman: You have one in your file, you have a letter from me and a copy
of my survey explaining about the well, ! gave it to charlotte.
TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: At any rate this will be cleared up because a lot of things
have to be moved before we can go to approval. And this one your saying is
correct?
Leslie Wiseman: yes
TRIJSTEE KRtlPSKI: Do ! have a motion to table the application?
TRIJSTEE: So moved
TRIJSTEE: Second All Ayes
TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: We have to back to number 7 Richard and Kim Perry he
already left he was happy but he'll find out tomorrow what really happened. We
have to read a resolution in regard to SEQUA resolved by the board of Trustees in
the Town of Southold to the application of Richard and Kim Perry more fully
described in the public hearing section number 7 of the Trustee agenda dated
Wednesday July 25th 2001 is pursuant to the SEQRA rules and regulations and
unlisted action. Be it further resolved that the applicant is required to submit and
environmental assessment form and be it further resolved that upon receipt of the
environmental form a (can't hear) of the Trustees is hereby directed to commence
a coordinated review pursuant to SEQRA. Second on this.
TRIJSTEE FOSTER: Second ALL AYES
10.
FRANK & ANTOINETTE NOTARO: Requests an Amendment to Permit
#3692 to remove the outside pilings 10', parallel and away from the existing deck.
This move will stay within the 15' off set from property line. Located: 625
Calves Neck Road, Southold, NY SCTM#63-7-30.1
TRIJSTEE KRtlPSKI: Does anyone like to speak in favor of the application?
Against? Any board comment? Do ! have a motion to close the hearings?
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TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved
TRUSTEE KING: Second ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I'd like to make a motion to approve the application
TRUSTEE KING: Second ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What we're discussing is the line from the dock for
safety purposes if there's any shellfish in the area they should be removed after
November 1st. There are no lines connecting the poles to the dock all winter long.
All in favor. ALL AYES
11.
STEVEN SCHOCHET request a Wetland Permit to build two car garage 24'
wide x 26' deep with storage above. Located: 425 Sleepy Hollow Lane, Southold
SCTM#78-01-30
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone like to speak in favor of or against the
application.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: ! looked at that and ! didn't really have a problem with it
it's up land the only recommendation ! have is it's at the 75' line and I just
recommend that they have a line of staked hay bales during construction and put
some drywells in for roof runoff from the garage.
(Can't hear)
TRUSTEE FOSTER: there really isn't any plan in the files so ! didn't have
anything to look at.
Steven Schochet: ! have a set of plans ! was told ! had to apply for a wetlands
permit.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Generally people submit a set of plans with it so that we
have something more than a tax map # to go by there is a sketch in here but it's
not as detailed as a plan would be.
Steven Schochet: where do you want to see the row of hay bales
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It's right at the 75' line so ! would say as close to the 75'
line as you can get it and still do the project. ! don't know how much room your
going to need there your going to have to dig footings in and ! would say 10' so at
the 65' line would be good give them 10' for construction.
Steven Schochet: And gutters and drywells
TRUSTEE FOSTER: gutters and leaders and drywells for roof runoff
Steven Schochet: (can't hear)
TRUSTEE FOSTER: on the drywells, deep enough so that they're in sand so
that they will work.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do ! have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Second ALL AYES
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I'll make a motion to approve the Wetland Permit for
Steven Schochet for the two-car garage at 425 Sleepy Hollow Lane, Southold
with the previous mentioned stipulation.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor ALL AYES
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12.
CLAUS F. RADEMACHER request a Wetland Permit to construct a second
story addition to existing one-story house within outline of existing house.
Located: 350 Lakeside Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#90-03-16
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone who would like to comment
Claus Rademacher: Evening I'm the owner of the property and also the architect
on the project we submitted a set of drawings to the town Building Dept. and they
have indicated to us that we need to submit this through your office for approval
whether or not we would be able to do this being that we're constructing and
addition purely on existing structure of the house (can't hear) the original building
was built about 1940 (can't hear) single story ranch style home and the
superstructure is strictly under 1000 sqft on top of the existing house (can't hear)
application for a DEC permit being that we're not affecting the foundation of the
house or we're not going to be on the perimeter of the structure itself that's why
we come to you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The DEC we can't answer for we don't know
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It wasn't posted I didn't see a sign up anywhere
Claus Rademacher: Yes the sign was posted
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I didn't see the sign anywhere, okay it was there. It's only
38' from the tide line I don't know how the rest of the board feels about it. To tell
the truth I didn't have a problem with it but I think hay bales should be put up.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Normally on a project like this the whole board doesn't
go out. This is what we'd like to keep is the vegetated branch.
Claus Rademacher: We're not touching any of that we're strictly going up.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We need to see also drywells for the roof run-off. So
that doesn't flow off the property it stays on the property. I can't see any other
conditions.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I'll make a motion to close the hearing
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: So moved ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion to approve a second-story addition within
the same footprint with the condition that there be drywells for the roof run-off
and hay bales 20' off of the structure during construction.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded ALL AYES
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TREVOR & ALLYSON DAVISON (Contract Vendee) requests Wetland
Permit to construct a 18'x36' swimming pool clear up to 90' landward of tidal
wetland boundary and establish a 50' non-disturbance buffer adjacent to the tidal
wetland boundary. Located: 285 Grathwohl Lane, New Suffolk, NY SCTM#117-
6-14.1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone like to speak in favor of or against the
application. ! do have a letter here objecting to the swimming pool concerning
that the property could be easily flooded and the swimming pool of course
emptied out into the creek. I'm going to have to ask Artie, what do you think?
Neighbor Excuse me ! have a question
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes
Neighbor: Is there a map or something that shows where this will be? We're the
adjacent property.
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TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: Certainly, come take a look
Neighbor: Okay
TRIJSTEE FOSTER: It's at the 6.4 elevations
TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: So they want to put it behind your garage
Neighbor: And it would be how far from the garage?
TRIJSTEE FOSTER: 61'
TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: 61' this area here from the back of your garage towards
the water they wouldn't be able to touch so this would all be left natural behind
your garage.
Neighbor: Where is their septic system.
TRIJSTEE KR[IPSKI: Over by Grathwohl Road, yes
NEIGHBOR: (Can't hear) Are there any requirements for hooking up to that
water system?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Not from our Board
NEIGHBOR: You don't have to if you don't want to?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No you don't
NEIGHBOR: Okay
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Do you get flooded out when there's a hurricane?
NEIGHBOR: We've had water in the house, so you know, we're concerned
about a swimming pool there taking up that much land and changing the water
table.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Maybe they should elevate it.
NEIGHBOR: The contour of the property goes uphill there. It's very low there,
that house is over a hundred years old so some of the (can't hear) were grand
fathered
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So your house is right next to the garage
NEIGHBOR: Yes, there is like a breezeway between the garage and the house
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, so you are much lower
NEIGHBOR: Yes, I'm concerned about drainage, is it going to flood us out
TRUSTEE FOSTER: That's a valid concern, the finished floor here...
NEIGHBOR: Excuse me?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: ! said you have a valid concern the finished floor here is
11.5 and the contour of the swimming pool is 6.4. They don't give a finished top
of pool but it's five feet lower then the finished floor of the house.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's true all that water is going to be dumping down
there. Well the rain water if they clear it.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Well my point is that wouldn't it have to be above the
flood plane? You know, the elevation of the pool would have to be above the
flood plane ! would think.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That ! don't know
TRUSTEE FOSTER: When you build a house it has to be, your floor has to be
ten or eleven foot above, ! think.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You think maybe we better get another survey...
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Well a little more detail, may be you want a finished
elevation on it, especially where the neighbors are concerned about it.
NEIGHBOR: Was there another complaint from another neighbor?
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14.
15.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Our concern about the chlorine in the swimming pool
entering the creek. We're going to table this application. Our concerns are the
elevation of the swimming pool, and also how the final grade will affect your
property. How it's going to run off. So we're going to need a plan showing the
final grade with the elevation of the swimming pool. We'll be back here next
month. August 29th. Okay. Any other comment?
NEIGHBOR: Not right now.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I'll make a motion to table the public hearing on this.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Second
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Aye. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We'll just do the SEQRA resolution on #14. Resolve by
the Board of Trustees of the Town of Southold the application of Robert & Rita
Pellegrini, more fully described in the public hearing section 14 of the Trustee
Agenda dated Wednesday, July 25th, 2001, Is pursuant to the SEQRA rules and
regulations and unlisted action, be it further resolved that the applicant is required
to submit a long environmental assessment form, be it further resolved that upon
receipt of the LEAF the clerk of the Trustees is hereby directed to commence a
coordinated review to SEQRA.
J.M.O. Environmental Consulting on behalf of ROBERT & RITA
PELLEGRINI requests a Wetland Permit to install a 32'X 20" aluminum ramp
onto an existing catwalk, a 3'X 6' float, 6'X 20' float and to install three (2) pile
dolphins. Located: 1205 Point Pleasant Rd., Mattituck. SCTM#114-1-4
POSTPONED AS PER THE AGENT'S REQUEST
Garret A Strang, Architect on behalf of PRESTON & NANCY HARRINGTON
requests a Wetland Permit for minor alterations, addition to single family home
including mudroom entry and basement access. Located: 1030 West Lake Drive,
Southold, SCTM#90-02-03
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone who would like to speak in favor of the
application?
GARRET STRANG: Yes, good evening Garret Strang representing the applicant.
Like to submit to the Board the certificates of mailing (can't hear) posting.
It's pretty straight forward if the board has any questions I'd be happy to answer
them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment? We've got a motion to close
the hearing
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Second ALL AYES
TRUTEE POLIWODA: I'll make a motion to approve the Garret Strang, Preston
& Nancy Harrington Permit
TRUSTEE SMITH: Second
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Aye ALL AYES
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16.
Garrett A. Strang, Architect on behalf of ELIZABETH A. SENTELL request a
Wetland Permit to construct an addition to the existing dwelling, which will
consist of three bedroom and expansion of waterside porch. Located: 220
Lakeview Drive, East Marion, SCTM#76-03-34.3
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of or
against the application?
GARRETT STRANG: Once again Garrett Strang representing the applicant.
This is a continuance from last month and subsequent to that hearing the Board
came out in its entirety and made an inspection. Sort of mentioned what we were
proposing there although subsequent to last months hearing and further
conversations with my client and we will probably be scaling back slightly the
fishing nets going out towards the roadside. I'd like to address any questions or
concerns the board may have with respect to this application.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We'll take any other comment first. Is there any other
comment on this application? Does the board have any comments? Do you want
to give this a conditional approval or do you want to see new plans?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Those people that wrote us a couple of letters didn't show
up. We read them last month.
GARRETT STRANG: There was one or two pieces of correspondence that were
forwarded to the Board from neighbors addressing their concerns or objections
last month and conversations that I've had with at least one of the neighbors who
was representing himself to the neighborhood if you will, I don't think there is a
formal association per say. But the concern there seemed to be that they thought
that there was going to be a tremendous addition put on the building. We shared
with him that what we were proposing was a l-iA story (tape end). They
mentioned to me that there's a house that went in, in Gardeners Bay Estates that's
eight or nine thousand square feet, that's based on their observation. They were
concerned that this is what we were proposing to go on that site. He certainly
couldn't comprehend the scale that we were proposing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: CAC recommended approval with a stipulation that hay
bales be placed during construction and a non-turf buffer maintained. It says that
the eroding banks being restored but I don't remember the eroding bank.
GARRETT STRANG: I haven't seen any eroding bank. It's very heavily
vegetated.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: No it wasn't eroded at all.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What about the septic system where is that located?
GARRETT STRANG: The septic system will be on the roadside of the house
between the proposed addition and the road. There is an existing system there that
will be abandoned, obviously. It's and antiquated old single ring cesspool.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: (Can't hear) Marion Lake.
GARRETT STRANG: That was our feeling as well being able to put in a health
dept. approved septic system is going to be a definite asset over what's there now
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Second ALL AYES.
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17.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I'll make a motion to approve the application with a
condition that we get a new set of plans.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Will they be in soon. I'd rather not approve it until we
get the plans.
GARRETT STRANG: Well we haven't really done any specific plans per say,
we've done a footprint so that this board can be aware of the footprint that we've
been talking about. We also need to file an application with the Zoning Board of
Appeals. We've been waiting for disapproval from the Building Dept. so we can
go to the ZBA. But that's our next course of action is to go to the ZBA and
(Can't hear) change their philosophy as far as pre-existing set backs being Grand
fathered and now anything that's in addition that doesn't conform requires
variances (can't hear) pre-established setbacks. So it puts a new spin on things
but it's what we have to do. So we were forestalling doing any definitive design
drawings until such time as we had the variances. We didn't want to design
things if the ZBA makes us make some changes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But the problem, and it's come up, is that we approve it
and then everyone else form the Health Dept. and the ZBA and everyone else
down the line changes it. By the time the projects constructed it's nothing like
what we approved then sometimes it becomes a problem. So once you get all
your approvals, update your file with us. I don't think it's going to substantially
change our environmental review.
GARRET STRANG: No
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think it's just that our files should be the same as every
other file in town so there's a consistency there.
GARRET STRANG: I don't have an objection to that. Is it possible that that can
be a conditional approval that we filed final footprint and or drawings once the
other approval was granted?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure
GARRETT STRANG: That way we know that at least we have this boards
approval to proceed to the next step.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Oh, sure. Otherwise you can't proceed.
GARRETT STRANG: That's exactly the point.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And also the condition that the existing septic system be
filled in and abandoned.
GARRETT STRANG:
building construction in
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:
GARRETT STRANG:
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:
that. All in
GARRETT
We'll be building over is so, at this point. I mean we'll be
its place; it will have to be removed.
And also that the drywells (can't hear) the roof line.
No problem.
And hay bales during construction. I have a second on
favor ALL AYES.
STRANG: Thank you.
John Fisher on behalf of REV. W. JOEL WARNER, JR. requests a Wetland
Permit for a second story addition not to exceed existing boundaries of structures
to be used as a study and second story deck. Located: 270 Smith Dr. South,
Southold. SCTM#76-3-34.3
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone like to speak in favor of the application?
JOHN FISHER: I'll answer any questions you may have.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Who inspected this
TRUSTEE SMITH: I looked at this Al. I didn't see any problem with it but
there's canal that comes up pretty close to the addition. I'd request, it's a
bulkhead but still I would request hay bales during construction with a silt fence.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How about drywells
TRUSTEE SMITH: Yes, I don't know what's the amount but drywells contain
all room runoff.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment? Want to make a motion to close the
hearing?
TRUSTEE SMITH: Yes, I make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE KING: Second
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor, aye. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I'll make a motion to approve the John Fisher for Warner Jr.
for the Wetland Permit on Smith Drive South. The only stipulation is we'll have
drywells that will contain all roof runoff and there will be a row of hay bales with
silt screen put up during construction and to be removed after the property is
landscaped and (can't hear) will be grass (can't hear).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there a second
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Second. ALL AYES
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JOHN HURTADO on behalf of MA TINE, INC. requests a Wetland Permit to
construct a one family residence with attached garage. Located: 545 Albacore
Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#51-01-18& 19
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone here like to speak in favor of the application?
MARION MAYNO: Of 655 Albacore Drive, adjacent property I have no
objections of building a house on this lot but I would like to call to the attention of
the Board that our association has put a request into the Board to come up with an
overall plan for this natural watershed area between Albacore, Tarpin and Main
Road and there are as you know a natural watershed coming under the Main Rd
into that area, we just want you to be concerned about all the other properties.
This particular one I do not think has any streams going through it although there
is that easement right between the properties where there's supposed to be water
flowing going underneath Albacore to the other side. So I don't know if there's a
(cant' hear) on this property.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Where's the drain there.
MARION MAYNO: There's a drain in between, well it looks like they bought
that strip of property there. It goes along in the plans that they projected. (Can't
hear).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There is a requirement from both Wetlands both fresh and
salt-water wetlands that there be a fifty foot non-disturbance buffer. But what is
that drain, is that a road drain along the property line.
MARION MAYNO: Yes
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Might just be a swell, but you live right next to this?
MARION MAYNO: Yes
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TRUSTEE FOSTER: Lot 30? Well okay, that's what it is.
MARION MAYNO: I'm on the other side of the drain.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there a pipe actually going out into the canal by your
property there?
MARION MAYNO: It is my understanding, we're the second homeowners to
own it that never extended out into, there's an opening at the canal side and we
think that just raccoons live in there and that it doesn't go, that they don't connect.
But anyway that what the neighbors had told us that it was never planted. I know
that (can't hear) control does clear a little stream along that drain going under the
road to the other side to keep the flow of water going that's my only objection.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you, any other comments?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I make a motion to close the hearing
TRUSTEE SMITH: Second
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I'll make a motion to approve the Wetland Permit on
behalf of Ma Tine, Inc to construct a one family residence with attached garage,
located 545 Albacore Drive, Southold with stipulation there will remain a 50' non
disturbance buffer between the wetlands and uplands and there be a drywells for
roof runoff.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Hay bales
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Aye. ALL AYES
19. Meryl Kramer, Architect on behalf of KATHERYN CAMPBELL request a
Wetland Permit for a first floor addition to existing one story residence with new
two-story addition. Any new septic work shall be landward of house. Located:
570 Hippodrone Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#66-2-12
MERYL KRAMER: I guess I just want to reiterate that we do have DEC
approval and that this is actually an alternate location to the addition that was
suggested by the DEC and that we are within 64' of flagged wetlands, and I'll be
happy to answer any questions.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I'm going to take all the comments first. Are there any
other comments? Yes?
ANN BUCKLEY: I am a neighbor of Kathryn Campbell, I'm deeply concerned
about the effect on our creek, Hippodrone Creek I think it's called. Kathryn abuts
the creek and it appears from this survey that I have seen that the house will be
more than double in size. My feeling is that that entails (can't hear) endangering
that little tiny fragile piece of wetland. We already are in trouble with that creek
at the mouth of it because it blocks up the erosion. The application of Kathryn
Campbell says that the purpose of the construction will be to expand living space,
(can't hear) usually do, but does that mean bedrooms and bathrooms, to me it
means there are going to be more people on this very little piece of wetland. The
survey does not indicate where the septic system will be located. I know when
my house went up my septic takes up my entire front yard which is adjacent to
Rodgers Rd so it wasn't an issue, but I can't picture for the life of me where this
new septic system or a major addition is going to end up except too close to that
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creek. In the past Kathryn (can't hear) used for rental property. That's in the
past, in the past ten years she has perhaps no plans to do that again or whatever
I'm just going on what ! know now and that has been a rental property for the past
ten years, the tenants has been awesome they've been (can't hear) whatsoever, it's
just that now that your going to larger units of people, I'm so concerned about that
little creek, I've grown up there, very, very, very, (can't hear). Lastly ! would
direct the Boards attention to their very first 97-11 of the code, which says that
you're here to protect. That their development is increasing and encroaching
upon eliminating many of its wetlands, this to me is encroaching on that wetland
this is your very, very first a of this thing. This is exactly what you're trying to
prevent as far as ! can read it. Thank you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Could you answer the question in reference
to the septic system location?
MERYL KRAMER: Well the septic system is located on the landward side of the
house right now so where it says concrete cover, ! don't know if you have a copy
of this?
ANN BUCKLEY: ! do, thank you for asking.
MERYL KRAMER: The upper left hand side of the property where it says 12.8
as the grade, that's the concrete cover of the existing septic system. At this
moment we don't know whether we're going to be required by the Health Dept. to
increase the septic because we don't know whether or not we're going to get
approval as to a couple previous applications. We're going for the trustees, we're
going for the ZBA, so we don't know whether or not until we get that approval
are we going to (can't hear) otherwise you know it's going to remain the same
(can't hear) need to change the septic unless the Health Dept. required us to we're
not adding number of bedrooms as much as we are expanding the tiny ones that
are there and putting the second floor (can't hear) the number of users and in
answer to your question also the owner is not going to, it shouldn't really matter !
don't think, she's planning on using this other(can' hear) for...
ANN BUCKLEY: And for rental ! know that, that is just what ! had heard (can't
hear)
MERYL KRAMER: (can't hear-talking to each other) it's not rented any longer
ANN BUCKLEY: Okay you know that is certainly none of my business (can't
hear) its just that there's such a need for renovation (can't hear) and that is so
fragile that little thing. Am ! allowed to say that the DEC came down (can't hear)
to open up the mouth of that creek into the bay in April and then you good people
said, no you've got to do it it's an emergency which it was because the pond
wasn't (can't hear) and we thank you very much for that. It boggles my mind that
the DEC then goes ahead and says sure, you know, with this major renovation.
MERYL KRAMER: We are within the setbacks that are existing and not doing
anything outrageous. We are putting an addition onto the first floor and then
hence the second floor will be added but it's going to be slow (can't hear) it's not
going to be a two story box by any means, it's going to be a asset...
ANN BUCKLEY: No (can't hear) and ! appreciate it, I'm concerned about the
expanded living space, meaning more people can live there, more people means
more traffic on this little (can't hear).
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MERYL KRAMER: I know that you do have recommendations in terms of
drywells for drainage and gutters and leaders leading to drywells and hay bales
during construction and certainly any other recommendations that we could do to
keep this addition from affecting the environment, ! think once it's all said and
done it's not going to impact the environment any more then than it does now.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I'd like to take other comments.
MERYL KRAMER: Yes.
CARLA RABANSKI: ! live adjacent to empty lot, this property that ! own.
MERYL KRAMER: ! don't recognize the name.
CARLA RABANSKI: Subtlety, there are four sisters; Subtlety the letter was sent
to.
MERYL KRAMER: Okay
CARLA RABANSKI: She happens to be in California, so I'm here speaking for
the family. Our concern is the easement which is the road leading to the house.
There is no structural support there it is all vegetation and with trucks and tractors
and other things that are going to be on that road, it' s just dirt and grass and our
concern is the fact that with all of this extra heavy traffic that may be destroyed,
again as Ann says, the fragileness going into the creek and somehow blocking the
creek, this is the major concern with the heavy tractors and the addition, she's
more than doubling the size of the house, so.
ARTIE FOSTER: Well it's a valid concern, it not even a stone driveway.
CARLA RABANSKI: its just vegetation that's holding this road together.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Yes, which is okay it affords it some support but on, you
know the right time of the year that isn't going to do anything for a cement truck
or a lumber truck especially if it's wet. Your probably going to end up upgrading
the driveway to be able to get the heavy equipment in there, but the one concern
that ! have about the whole situation, we don't have a survey, are you adding
bedrooms?
MERYL KRAMER: Again we're waiting because we have to go through you
and then we have to go through ZBA to know whether or not we're even going to
get the approval for the footprint before we do all the designs for the house, so
we're either...
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Well think out loud a little bit, tell me...
MERYL KRAMER: The house has three bedrooms, so, we're probably going to
keep three bedrooms and she has a living room, dining room, kitchen and she
wants an office, combo TV room/office for the kids to go in so that when the
adults are in the living room the kids-so really all we're adding if we're adding, if
we get approval.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Making existing rooms bigger?
MERYL KRAMER: Making existing rooms bigger and adding a porch.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Well I'm a little concerned about the septic system,
honestly, because it shows one concrete cover, now...
MERYL KRAMER: Yes, we don't know what's under there obviously and we
might have to investigate that and upgrade it depending on...
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Well, that was going to be my next question, you have
really little or no access back there once this thing is built and ! don't think that
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one cesspool is going to substantially take care of that, especially where it's an
old cesspool, this has been there a long time this house.
MERYL KRAMER: It was rebuilt a year or two ago because it started to
collapse.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: But it's how old would you say?
MERYL KRAMER: Probably fifty or sixty years.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: So your probably dealing with a fifty-year-old cesspool,
which is going to fail, maybe as we speak, and I think that should be addressed.
You certainly should have that septic system upgraded to the minimum Suffolk
County Health Dept., I'm not saying you have to go to the health dept, but
minimum Suffolk County Health Dept. requirement at this point in time or get an
engineers report verifying that that existing septic system will substantially take
care of the use that it's going to get from this house. I seriously doubt that it will,
but certainly something should be done with it while you have the opportunity
and the access to do it prior to building any of this. It's like buying a new car
with an old engine.
MERYL KRAMER: I think that we would definitely want to upgrade if the need
is required. I have a special problem there that that particular cesspool also
includes the drain-off from our garage that has a shower and a bathroom in it
because that property was once owned by my grandparents.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: So your shower drains into their cesspool?
MERYL KRAMER: Yes. So I have a special concern about their septic system.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Well that's understandable that's even all the more reason
to upgrade. Are all these houses serviced by public water?
MERYL KRAMER: Yes.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I know up in that neighbor hood, Biexedon Estates, some of
those houses share cesspools.
MERYL KRAMER: Well my grandparents had the foreside to buy the property,
the house the property behind it which is the adjacent empty lot and the one off to
the side which then they deeded to my uncle.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Right. That's not uncommon. That's the business I been
in for thirty years and all along the Cutchogue shoreline we went and tried to
separate all these little cottages that were on one piece of land and they divided
and come to find out they're all on one common system and who pays this week
to have it pumped, so we went down and separated and put their own systems in
but it's very difficult many times because you don't have the property.
MERYL KRAMER: It' s not our house that' s on there it' s just the garage, that' s a
garage and a half with a shower and a toilet in it.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Well you have to address that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All right I think we'll move this along though. Obviously
we'll a provision for an upgraded septic system whether it includes the neighbors
or not that's out of our jurisdiction.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It has to be one of the terms of the permit.
MERYL KRAMER: How does that get addressed it is obviously a situation that
has to be addressed.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This is going to be way out of our jurisdiction. I would
guess as far as whomever hooks up to it would be the applicant's business. The
other concern that we have is for the potential impact of the equipment coming in
the existing driveway that should be addressed too. When it is graded so that it is
not going to drain into the creek.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: ! think you have to put hay bales along here and put in a
pervious driveway.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The driveway is up against the wetlands. Should
remain non-pervious.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: As Arties said when you get the big equipment in there
when you get freezing and thawing but the time that permit it is going to March of
what year. It is going to be freezing and thawing and rambling every day.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Once it is rutted up, and it starts to run bare and grass and
the mud starts flowing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What about the question of the driveway over the
easement,
CARLA RABSNDKI: The driveway is actually the easement comes like this the
drive goes along it and it is only held by vegetation and we are concerned about
the truck traffic that is going to be going over. ! do not know how sturdy it is
going to be and what time of year they are going to be doing this. Is it going to
breakdown and go into the creek.
MERYL KRAMER: We already have the DEC and we already and we are seeing
you now. We are planning to do about a year worth of design process and we are
not looking at construction starts for another year. If you have a preferred starting
of construction.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We would like to see the septic upgraded. Gutters and
drywells for the roof-run-off, but we would like to see the driveway up-graded,
MERYL KRAMER: ! do not think that the owner has any problem doing any of
this. Just as long as you stipulate what you want done.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: ! think that we all should go look at it; Artie has a lot of
expertises in this driveway building area. We want to make sure that it is
designed properly so that it does not become a problem.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Environmental ! did not have a problem with this.
(Tape Change)
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: With those things in mind you can have that ready for us.
With a septic system plan and also you do not have to rely on our
recommendations for a driveway you can start moving ahead on that contractor
wise plan for a driveway, ! want to see it graded so that it does not pitch into the
creek and stabilized so that it does not breakdown during construction with all the
heavy equipment those are our major concerns. The house it self. People have
been living their full time. Do you know?
MERYL KRAMER: Kathryn was living their full time for the past ten years.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So people have been living there.
CARLA RABANSKI; they rented it year round. But they only used it basically
summer and weekends.
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MERYL KRAMER: But someone has been using it year round for ten years.
Now she is able to not have to rent it for the summer and she can use it and her
family now grown will be using the house.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is our concern. So that is what we will be looking at.
Next month.
CARLA RABANSKI: Will this come up again.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Automatically it will come up on August 29th.
MERYL KRAMER: At that time you would like us to have an upgraded septic
plans for you at that time as well plans for stabilizing and resurfacing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a second on that motion to table?
TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
20.
Crowley Construction c/o Susan Long on behalf of WALTER E. ERICKSON
ESTATE C/O FLORENCE SIEGERMAN request a Wetland Permit to install
77' retaining wall connecting to north and south neighbor's retaining walls.
Backfill with approx. 40 CY clean fill from approved upland source. Located:
2950 Minnehaha Blvd. Southold, NY SCTM#87-3-42
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone like to speak in favor of the application?
lAN CROWLEY: I had moved the line of the wall back from the date of
inspection and had new set plans to the office to take another look. Two feet back
on either side so that it is well beyond the bush. Also there will be no activity
outside the line of the wall.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Did you get a new plan on it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think we wanted it behind the retain wall. I think on the
south side behind the return of the neighbor.
lAN COWLEY: They are not connected the walls?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: On inspection I drew the flagpole being the center of
that line. We did not find any erosion.
lAN CROWLEY: She gets a lot of the run-off of the neighbors. That is the
reason she wants to raise the level of her property.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think the Board would be inclined to issue a permit. A
straight line from the flagpole.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Did you go restake that?
lAN CROWLEY: Yes, I did.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Will someone make a motion to close the hearing?
lAN COWLEY: I will use the monument the sea wall corner of the neighbor's.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a motion to Approve the Wetland Permit on
behalf of WALTER E. ERICKSON ESTATE C/O FLORENCE SIEGERMAN
to install 77' retaining wall not connecting but starting at the north concrete
seawall of the neighbor's to the north and extending through the flag pole to the
southerly property line in a straight line with the stipulation that the seaward side
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of the wall remain undisturbed and backfill and leveling may occur.
2950 Minnehaha Blvd. Southold, NY
TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES.
Located:
21.
Crowley Construction on behalf of OSCAR & BETH BLEI/INS request a
Wetland Permit to install a 4'x312' catwalk, 4'x12' dock, 3'x16' ramp and 6'x20'
float in an "L" configuration secured with two 2 pile dolphins to secure float -
natural buffer has been re-established. Located: 640 Haywaters Drive,
Cutchogue, NY SCTM# 104-5-1.2
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone like to speak in favor of the application?
lAN CROWLEY: I had stopped at the office and asked about the status and they
Said that you were inclined not to approve it. Based on soundings? I went and
checking the soundings again yesterday at low tide and they are exactly the same
As what was submitted.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Not based on soundings. We did not have it staked for
one thing.
lAN CROWLEY: The stakes are only visible it was an 8x2 2 by 4 that is all that I
had with me.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But what we need to see the end of the dock staked. We
are also not inclined.
lAN CROWLEY: I had marked that in the photograph that it was staked.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It was marked there but we did not see it. Also the
catwalk we are not inclined to approve a catwalk that long. The applicant actually
has paved access almost all the way down here. We would rather see a shorter
structure a dock but he has to use the road ending as access whether he is going to
use. It is going to be up to him. Where he wants to put.
lAN CROWLEY. Is there a maximum length that the Board does approve, so he
can choose a spot.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No not really it is more or less we want him to come off
the end of the road some how.
lAN CROWLEY: where everybody parks their trucks at the boat ramp.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because he has paved access right to the edge of the
water. So it is redundant to put in a long structure right parallel.
lAN CROWLY: He was concerned with people walking up on the dock.
Thinking that it is a public structure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSLI: The same thing happened in a different area.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Put a gate on it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI; Then the guy complains because people use his dock. But
there is really not much you can do about because people where you put it.
We said that this would happen.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: this guy was probably 50-to-60 feet from the edge of the
road. They stump right across using his dock.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So we would rather see a small structure. We need to find
a longer 2x4.
lAN CROWLEY: I am not sure ifI can carry longer than an 80 foot I will try.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Try to talk to him about a small structure access from the
end of the road.
IAN CROWLEY: He has access all way.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It appeared to me that public access ramp is actually
partially on his property.
IAN CROWLEY: I do not know what exactly what happened with that. I think
the property line went down the road. I do not know what has happened since
then.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Historically the ramp has always been there but it is over
on his property.
IAN CROWLEY: Well you can start it back away from all the traffic
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We'll think about it and take another look at it.
IAN CROWLEY: But is there a certain length?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Not really you just find a convenient spot. That is short as
possible. Minimize the structure.
IAN CROWLEY: I can meet the board out there at the bottom.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The next inspection will be August 15th. We will see you
at Mr. Hands first.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It is wholly visible spot.
I ask for low profile three feet wide no more than 2-1/2 feet above marsh. The
DEC will back that up.
1AN CROWLEY: For the catwalk?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The narrow they have no worries.
lAN CROLEY: That is going to be a stipulation? Or is that your suggestion.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: There is a public access ramp.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: You have SEQRA on this.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So we can start the SEQRA review to.
TRUSTEE KING: "Resolved by the Board of Trustees of the Town of Southold
that the applications of Oscar & Beth Blevins, more fully described in the public
hearing section #21 of the trustee agenda dated Wednesday, July 25, 2001 is,
pursuant to the SEQRA Rules and Regulations, an unlisted action, and be it
Further resolved that the applicant is required to submit a Long Environmental
Assessment Form (LEAF) and be it
Further resolved that upon receipt of the LEAF the Clerk of the Trustees is hereby
directed to commence a coordinated review pursuant to SEQRA"
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there a seconded.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor ALL Ayes
You want to make a motion to Table the application.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We are going to have a brief recess.
Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on behalf of ROBERT & RITA
WlECZOREK requests a Wetland Permit to install a 6'X 30' float at the end of
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the existing catwalk and ramp secured by two existing 2-pile dolphins. Located:
835 Tarpon Dr., Southold. SCTM#57-1-39.2
TRUSTEE KING: Upon Review and Consultation with Counsel the portion of
the application regarding a 6'X 30' float at the end of existing catwalk and ramp
is hereby Barred by the Doctrine ofRees Judicator. No Public Hearing will be
held regarding the 6'X 30' float at the end of existing catwalk and ramp and the
clerk of the Trustees is hereby directed to return that portion of the application
dealing with the 6'X 30' float at the end of the existing catwalk and ramp.
Tonight's hearing will only address the application for dredging.
ERIC BRESSLER: Well ! must confess that ! am somewhat at a loss, since we
came before you on direction of the Bay Constable and under Article 97, we are
required within so many days to do what the Bay Constable tells us to do. What
I'm hearing tonight is that is an exercise with futility.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: That's what the Town Attorney brought to us tonight and
said that this is what you have to do.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We actually did go out to the site and re-review the
application. We actually reviewed it for the dredging also. But, that's what we
were advised to do.
ERIC BRESSLER: Well perhaps you could explain then why it is that under
Article 97 you are given a notice to do something with respect to an alleged
violation and we are trying to come back before you and you are told to do certain
things and we've done those things only to be told that on the advise of Counsel,
that you're not even going to consider those things. To say that, is hot to ask,
understates the case. ! don't understand the scene of your Article 97. If that's the
way it's going to be ! take it that that's your position and your sticking to it
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I'm as confused as you are; this is what the town Attorney
said we had to do.
JOHN COSTELLO: Why didn't you build the thing they your permit was (can't
hear) in the first place
ERIC BRESSLER: Well you weren't here at the work session and I'll tell you
why. We got permission for a 6x30 from DEC, we got approval from Dept. of
State, we got approval from the Army Corp. of Engineers, and it is our position
with respect to that portion of this project that extends beyond 5' of water you are
without jurisdiction. We also think that imposing a 6x20 when everybody else
approved 6x30 was not a rational or sustainable decision. The Bay Constable
issued the notice of violation and told us to come back and told us to ask you only
to be told, well that's great but you can't ask that question because you guys
already make a decision. That to me seems the height of irrationality but as they
say the old joke, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. And ! take it that's the
position your going to take tonight.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It's not actually more than five feet of water.
ERIC BRESSLER: Well the survey is what it is.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well that makes your argument moot if it's not five feet of
water.
ERIC BRESSLER: Well what you may or may not have done, ! don't know but
that' s what it shows and for a variety of other reasons we think that jurisdiction is
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not properly exercisable and in light of the decision I guess we'll do what we have
to do. I don't understand it at all.
JOHN COSTELLO: Could I ask one question, maybe the board or a member
would know the answer to the question. Is the Town Attorney saying no permit is
necessary? Cause this is private bottom?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No
TRUSTEE SMITH: No
ERIC BRESSLER: He's saying that they've made up their mind once and they're
not going to
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's exactly what he said
ERIC BRESSLER: Even though the Bay Constable said you got to come back
and ask you again and that's what we were directed to do to get rid of the
violation. So we'll let a judge figure out whether or not article 97 which says to
do that is enforceable or whether this opinion which says your not to do that is the
way things ought to go. We did what the Bay Constable told us to do we did what
article 97 says we're supposed to do and we did it in a timely manor
TRUSTEE FOSTER: But you didn't do what the permit said
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But you didn't do what the permit said to do and that's
why you're here, that's why you're here not the applicant but you.
ERIC BRESSLER: Then what is the point of article 97 being issued a notice to
remedy and being told what to do, what's the point of that
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well that was after the train wreck...
ERIC BRESSLER: That's what your own inspection tells us to do and that's what
the Bay Constable told us to do
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But that's not what the permit told you to do
ERIC BRESSLER: Are you telling me that 97 are a nullity
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No
ERIC BRESSLER: Well it is
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What about our permit, what is that worth
ERIC BRESSLER: This is invoked when there's a problem with the permit and
97 tells you what to do when there's a problem
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There's no problem with the permit
ERIC BRESSLER: 97 tells you what to do when the Bay Constable finds a
violation, that's what it says and that's what we did and if it's your position that
that has no meaning then we'll let somebody else decide. I think it's completely
irrational.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I'm not here to judge the rationality of it
ERIC BRESSLER: Apparently not, I'm not going to sit here and waste
everybody's time and debate it, the Bay Constable told us what to do, we did it
only to be told by you we're not going to consider it, now if you can find a way to
convince me that that's rational I'd be real surprised, because quite frankly I know
some of you don't so leave it at that or somebody else decide what it needs.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But if you want rational you build it according to what
was through a lengthy review process permitted
ERIC BRESSLER: Based upon some policy without any adopted guideline
because you guys think that its 6x20 where is that written when did you have a
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public hearing that 6x20 is the way things ought to be where is the due process in
adopting those things where was the statutory power to even adopt that so called
policy, tell us
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We have about a halfa dozen to a dozen public hearings
on that size dock every month
ERIC BRESSLER: And where is the rule and regulation that was adopted after
notice and hearing that says 6x20 is the rule. Where does it say that in article 97?
think you guys are operating without defined guidelines your operating under
what you guys call policies that the courts have stricken time and time again. You
can't operate under unwritten policies if you choose to apply and we'll let
somebody else decide.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay where in chapter 97 does it define the size of the
dock?
ERIC BRESSLER: Where indeed, where does it define it does that give you
unlimited discretion to set a policy?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No it gives us discretion to set a policy
ERIC BRESSLER: Based upon what
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Of the standard set forth in 97
ERIC BRESSLER: Based upon what
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Based upon the law, the town code
ERIC BRESSLER: Based upon what facts, there's nothing, there's nothing in the
record, there's nothing in article 97, there's no guidance for you guys
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure there is
ERIC BRESSLER: Where is it written that 6x20 is the magic number when DEC
says 6x30 is fine, what do you base that on, what scientific studies are there
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: ! believe every dock is damaging
ERIC BRESSLER: We know what your position is with respect to that and we
know that you approved essentially nothing because all docks are damaging
fortunately the law doesn't go that way, who tells you that 6x20 is the magic
number and not 6x22.5 or 6x17 iA. Where is it besides some unwritten policy this
is the evil the courts seek to prevent you can't have boards saying its going to be
6x20 because we think that that's the proper number, where is the support for that
where are the scientific studies, what's the difference between 6x20 and 6x22
6x27 or 6x30.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The courts are going to seek to eradicate what?
ERIC BRESSLER: The evil of applying policies with no legal or factual backdrop
and no public hearing held on it and no ascertainable standard, ! defy you to tell
me what the difference is besides ten feet between a 6x20 and a 6x30 quantify or
qualify for me those impacts you guys didn't adopt this policy after notice and
hearing you didn't take any input it's not even written anywhere or if it is it's not
published
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That may take years
ERIC BRESSLER: Well you guys can't apply that to people just wily-nil and s
says we have a policy
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Well if you want us to find that out it might take years
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ERIC BRESSLER: It's not what I want you to do it's what you guys are doing
you can't sit up there and say its 6x20 with no support. But you guys aren't going
to change your mind and I'm not going to hold everybody else up here, that's our
position and it will be guided accordingly
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well this is, so how do we handle this with the dock now
because we have an un-permitted structure, so should we just ask the Bay
Constable to order its removal
ERIC BRESSLER: We have nothing further to say. We're in the Criminal Court
you guys aren't going to take a look at it. The
Bay Constable said we're in the Criminal Court and we'll fight it out either there
or in the Supreme Court or both, or if you want you can consult your Town
Attorney and figure out what else you might do but that's what we're going to do.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well actually back to the present, so what do we do about
this dock though that's unmerited
JOHN COSTELLO: Don't do anything, why would you do anything
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We issued a permit for a dock
JOHN COSTELLO: Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, everybody
issues permits, you telling me to break the NYS DEC's permit?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Oh no
ERIC BRESSLER: Yes you are
JOHN COSTELLO: Of course you are, should I not abide by the Army Crops
permit or the Dept of States? Let me tell you they were issued prior to you making
a decision. The other thing is we have a dredging application, which we brought
up before, where do we stand with that, we're being blackmailed or what, where
do we stand. The courtesy that you guys are rendering tonight knowing you had
that attorney's letter and letting us sit here, I wouldn't do that to a dog. And Ken
is saying if you don't remove the ropes we'll remove them for you, what the hell
kind of a board, who's doing that bullshit. How do you operate? Come on I have
a dredging permit.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well that's what we are here to discuss, that's why we
inspected it last week.
JOHN COSTELLO: I know but this was the application lets move on the
dredging permit
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We got this thing from the lawyer tonight
JOHN COSTELLO: I know but at least you got it- can you say something-
ERIC BRESSLER: How about at 7:00 he fells you don't need to stay here.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: (can't hear)-stay here for the dredging
TRUSTEE FOSTER: You didn't bring it in until after that he brought it in much
after that actually
JOHN COSTELLO: I didn't know the dredging was on the agenda but I'm glad
to hear it is
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We went out and we looked at it we looked at everything
JOHN COSTELO: I'm glad it is
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I don't think we should act, A1 on that
JOHN COSTELLO: I would like to hear what kind of action you're taking. Let
the board vote. God almighty the dredging is a different issue all together
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TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No because he said it was over five feet and we
measured four feet so I don't think we should issue a dredging permit until we
clarify that by a professional
JOHN COSTELLO: You went out and inspected
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Right, we found four feet instead of five feet therefore
it' s not-
JOHN COSTELLO: Wait a second, he is not addressing the dredging on the
application you have a drawing
TRUSTEE FOSTER: How about jurisdiction
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: He's talking about water depth, why is he talking about
water depth now
JOHN COSTELLO: He brought it up where you jurisdiction ends that's what he
brought it up
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Right
JOHN COSTELLO: Okay
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: We allow you to dredge the six or seven feet you'd
take it out of our jurisdiction
JOHN COSTELLO: This is bottom. Come on come on. He owns the bottom.
Please. It's silted in, please. I don't know who measured, let me tell you the
application was previously make by another business. I don't know what you
guys measured the other night, hopefully, but I appreciate it, that your moving on
an application that I only wish I had to file with you but I'll tell you I appreciate
that because we did have an application on.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All right, I don't see how we can act on the dredging only
because it hasn't been noted.
JOHN COSTELLO: It hasn't been what?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Noted. It's not on the agenda
JOHN COSTELLO: This tabled, it's just a tabled application
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It's not on the agenda
JOHN COSTELLO: You're the one who brought it up Al
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because you were here, because we went and looked at it.
JOHN COSTELLO: Yes, for three hours. Yes I would love to hear it, I would
love to hear, but you know, I'd love to hear the courtesy of the Boards concerns
that they went to the site. That's a courtesy; I'm a human being believed it. What
are the concerns?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The concerns of the dredging-
JOHN COSTELLO: Was the depths right.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The depths you measured, it's hard to verify the depths
that were there fairly high water. We didn't have a problem with the dredging
operations around the dock, so, on the inside of the dock. There were concerns
about the shoaling you mentioned further out.
JOHN COSTELLO: One spot, yes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We would have to be- ten feet. You mentioned those
concerns.
JOHN COSTELLO: It's narrow
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Around the dock or around the Island
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Around the Island
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It's a well-known shellfish bed
JOHN COSTELLO: It's his property
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: There are two court cases that he does not own the
shellfish in that bottom unless he has a permit from the state that he planted there
otherwise myself or any other bay man who has a commercial diggers permit can
go out and go in there and harvest.
JOHN COSTELLO: I'm not saying their not allowed to go in there
MR WlECZOREK: Your allowed to go on my property and shellfish
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Yes according to two court cases
MR. WlECZOREK: The Bay Constable has chased them out of there numerous
times. On my bottom you're going to...
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Not your bottom but private bottom lands
MR. WlECZOREK: It's my bottom
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: You don't own the shellfish in that bottom
MR. WlECZOREK: I own the dirt on the bottom; I don't want my dirt disturbed,
and can you shellfish without disturbing my dirt.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It's in court cases
ERIC BRESSLER: Well we respectfully disagree
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All right I think what the board agrees on though is that
the disturbance...
MR. WlECZOREK: Are you going to come across my land too and go shellfish
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No we can't do that
MR. WlECZOREK: Oh, thank you
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think what the board agrees on as a board is that if
threes a viable shellfish bed there it should be protected and not destroyed for one
person to get a bulkhead at his convenience.
JOHN COSTELLO: Can you tell me just when you got the jurisdiction of a man
made canal, and how, I know you didn't get it through the patents.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Under chapter 97. Absolutely not under the colonial
patents, absolutely. That's where we get our jurisdiction.
JOHN COSTELLO: So do you want the dredging application processed or
what's the story. Is it going to be noticed or what.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What is the Boards pleasure on that
TRUSTEE SMITH: I say we get this dock length resolved before we entertain...
JOHN COSTELLO: Well come on I have an application in. This could be
twenty years.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If you don't have a permit for the structure it shouldn't be
there
JOHN COSTELLO: Uh-huh, right
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But its there
JOHN COSTELLO: Well I'm curious this is a separate application, different
application to dredge two spots
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No it's a dock permit
JOHN COSTELLO: Well do you want me to dredge the twenty feet and not the
extra ten
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There's no extra ten, see I don't understand where if we
issued, why should we even be here if everyone is just going to do what they want
why even bother, why even bother have a Board of Trustees if everyone's just
going to do what they want.
JOHN COSTELLO: I'm curious, I'm real curious about that sometimes because
why would you have a DEC, why would you contradict the DEC, why would we
have a Army Corp., Why would we have a Dept. of State. All different agencies
saying different things but that's ok it happens all the time. Why.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What makes us wrong and makes them right in this case
JOHN COSTELLO: What
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What makes them in this case us wrong and them right
JOHN COSTELLO: Well ! figure it's 3 out of 4 and guess what the violation
with the DEC could be up to 10,000 a day. You want one.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Did you have to apply to DEC for a permit for a thirty-
foot job?
JOHN COSTELLO: Yes sir
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You had to
JOHN COSTELLO: ! applied to you too, same thing, same application was
submitted to all agencies at the same time
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You think the DEC would approve a twenty-foot dock
then
JOHN COSTELLO: Didn't ask them. ! asked everybody the same. And it
wasn't until the night that we were here that you we told we did have the Army
Corp permit, the DEC permit, and the Dept. of States permit. It was your
decision, not ours, your decision to only allow a 6'x20' float. There was some
hesitancy only by Mr. King, only by Mr. King, because this was private bottom.
It's a different scenario a different case. What's the effect on it? There are some
scouring on flat bottom floats, round bottom floats there is none, no scouring,
there are documentation for docks. Docks do not adversely and chronically effect
the environment. You want a report I'll give you the name of it. There are plenty
of them out there. There's also reports on CCA, you guys considered CCA and
creosote problems. There are DEC reports. There are no significant acidity
effects created by CCA or creosote. Guess who made the report, the DEC. Guess
who doesn't know about it, Stony Brook. Its there report not mine. We can go on
forever, there has to be some consistency, some written guidelines there have to
be some rules, regulations and ordinances to follow, just give us the guidelines.
Then you can design something. Give something that is consistent with other
agencies so that we're not in violation with another agency that can hang a 10,000
or 15,000-dollar fine per day over your head. Which would you do, you know
which one you'd do. The only permit that you would get which makes sure that
you didn't have DEC violations. You know pesticides; it's the same thing. It's a
big risk you wouldn't take it, ! don't blame you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes but you know what we're faced with out here.
There's so much...
JOHN COSTELLO: ! know.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Let me finish. There's so much pressure on such a limited
resource and if we can't go by the guidelines in chapter 97 and try to control the
amount of structure that' s built. If you can imagine in the last ten years if there
was unrestricted build out of docks and bulkheads and jetties and retaining walls
you'd be able to walk up and down the creek you wouldn't be able to get a boat in
there. If there was unrestricted growth.
JOHN COSTELLO: But there is never going to be unrestricted growth.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If there was unrestricted growth.
JOHN COSTELLO: Okay, it's a hypothetical. It's not going to be.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because we don't allow it. And if we don't draw the line
somewhere, everything would be ruined and we would be embarrassed and
sometimes we go out and we're embarrassed by what we approve.
JOHN COSTELLO: Or approved in the past. Things change.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Things change plus you realize that you've made
mistakes. And if we can't see that and correct our mistakes we might as well all
go home and let everybody do what they please and just let it all go to waste fast.
JOHN COSTELLO: We're here doing exactly what we were told to do after the
circumstances. We're here, we're trying to do that, that letter came out. What do
you want to do? Consistency between the agencies. Which one has the ultimate
right, probably you guys, probably. DEC, Dept. of State, the Army Corp, their
after you.
TRUSTEE SMITH: John, even before you built this dock you had a permit for a
6x20 float and you went ahead and built what you dam well pleased. Now what
the hells wrong with a 6x20' float.
JOHN COSTELLO: He has a bigger boat
TRUSTEE SMITH: How big is the boat?
JOHN COSTELLO: 40'
TRUSTEE SMITH: I got a 48' boat tied to a 20' float
JOHN COSTELLO: I tie up a 95' barge to a 10' float. Its irrelevant, that's
irrelevant. It's private (can't hear) this board is supposed to be addressing
particularly a major concern is the environmental issues. Am I wrong?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well it's one of the standards, environmental issues,
navigation issues.
JOHN COSTELLO: Ok, there is no navigation problem. It's not an
environmental problem.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Which is why we originally approved a dock longer than
we would have normally, because it was not a navigational issue.
JOHN COSTELLO: I mean, each case is a different scenario. In each Town I've
asked each Board to look at every case because they differ. You can design things
differently and that poor guy Crowley over here with the 300', and all he needs is
two planks. I mean, if affects the environment. It provides less shading of the
wetland area. There are a whole bunch of scenarios. I would appreciate it if you
would have told us hey we got this letter from the Attorney and I'm going to hear
your case. I would have done it for you. I'll guarantee you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We didn't look to treat you badly. We went out and
looked at it and we measured it for dredging because we want to keep it moving.
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So, we didn't look to sit you up here until 10:30 PM just to say, go home. That
wasn't our intent. That's pointless. That's petty.
JOHN COSTELLO: I know.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That wasn't our point. You know, we have 37 public
hearings and that's just part of the agenda. So, the whole purpose tonight is not to
get Mr. Wieczorek. That's not the reason why we are here.
MR. WIECZOREK: Well I came up to see you early on before we got started
and I asked Charlotte earlier in the week, since I had other people here, if I could
be early on the agenda and Charlotte you said you would try and then you said
you weren't able to do it. I'm not sure what that means, you're typewriter
skipped lines or whatever, however, when I asked you earlier this evening...
TRUSTEE FOSTER: We didn't have this paper when you were standing up here.
MR. WIECZOREK: Well when did that come in?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: When the Town Attorney came up here, the last time he
came in, which was well into the meeting, and gave us this. We didn't have this
when you were standing up here.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You can't pick on our secretary. Everybody wants to be
NO. 1, I'm NO. 1, and I want to go in the front of the line. Everybody wants to be
first on the agenda.
MR. WIECZOREK: I understand. Artie clarified that ...
TRUSTEE FOSTER: We didn't have that when you were standing up here. He
talked to us at the work session when everybody went outside but he didn't bring
this to us. He talked to us about it but he didn't specify which ones were going to
apply. When he brought the papers in which was well into the meeting, he
brought them to each of us and I was looking all through them and writing them
all down and the meeting was in process it wasn't my position to say, wait a
minute, wait a minute this is what's going to happen.
JOHN COSTELLO: Just write and tell me what the procedure is, how I'm
supposed to progress. Talk to the Bay Constable and yell at him, tell him he gave
us the wrong information or something, appreciate it. Thanks.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Tonight
ERIC BRESSLER: Could we have a copy
TRUSTEE FOSTER: This is my fourth year on the board and when I came here I
didn't say much initially I kind of watched what was going on and I asked a lot of
questions and I was told that it was board policy a 6x20 float and I don't know
maybe I can't even say how many but on very, very, very rare occasions was
anything other than that permitted unless it was already there and grand fathered.
You know I didn't make these rules up I'm just trying to do a job and use the
guidelines that we've been told.
JOHN COSTELLO: I commend this Board for that, I commend it, because, many
people do not (can't hear) or want, because of the dollar amounts or the location
or the congestion a larger float. I know other people that only want a small float
because they have a canoe (can't hear) they don't want a big boat. I did two today,
two contracts, both on Shelter Island. They want canoes they don't even want a
float because they're going to have to take it out in the winter. They want a two-
foot wide dock one of them and the other wants a three-foot wide dock. You
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know what, they want them out of chopsticks, because they don't want them to
look to big. They want them small. The tendency is to educate people but you
have a policy and ! tell you every application, please, please, deal with every
application and everyone is different on it's own merits. ! mean do that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We did and with Mr. Wieczorek we reviewed it.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: We went there three times, we went out there three
different times.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: He feels like he's set upon by us, but he's probably taking
it personally and he shouldn't because we treat everyone just the same.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: You know these people from the Dept. of State and the
Corp. of Engineers and the DEC they don't live out here, John, they don't care if
you put 100' docks out here if that's what their going to give you a permit for.
This is our town not theirs.
JOHN COSTELLO: It's just the opposite.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: ! know it is, ! know it's just the opposite, we try to get
together with them to set a standard policy and they agree to it and they turn
around and the do something else.
JOHN COSTELLO: Go read your LWRP. Let me tell you it's the Dept. of States
document.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: ! know that.
JOHN COSTELLO: Want me to show you another document. Sag Harbor's the
same thing with different names. That is what will dictate most of the policies in
the Town of Southold in the future. (Can't hear)
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's why we never supported the LWRP.
JOHN COSTELLO: ! know, ! know
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You know we never supported it.
JOHN CO STELLO: ! know I'm just saying it's a big tough document
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: ! know
JOHN COSTELLO: And ! apologize for taking any more time.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: You sit up here and you try to work with everybody and
you've got all kinds of neighbors reading nasty letters to you and telling you they
want to shoot you if you approve this guys application and you try to do a little bit
for everybody and it's not easy sitting up here doing it, believe me, there's been
things that go across here that have been approved that ! really didn't think should
have been approved but we're under fire. There's so much opposition and you
just can't make everybody happy. As much as you try, you know.
JOHN COSTELLO: That's why you have five members. Things are bad for you
too. Right, thank you. See you in court.
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Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on behalf of DR. JOHN ALOIA request a
Wetland Permit to rebuild existing stairway in-kind/in-place that leads to an
existing 8'x22' deck which was expanded to 16'x24'. Rebuilt and expanded
existing retaining wall. Located: 8145 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue, NY
SCTM#118-04-09
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(POSTPONED AS PER AGENT'S REQUEST)
24.
Richard Daley, R.A. on behalf of BUD GEORGE HOLMAN request a Wetland
Permit for addition of a partial second story over existing first story, addition of a
second story deck and exterior stair to that deck. - Roof over the center section of
the second floor deck. Located: 350 Park Avenue, Mattituck NY 123-07-08
TRUSTEE KING: I looked at it, it is straightforward. Typical bay front I do not
see a problem with it at all.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Will you make a motion to close?
TRUSTEE KING: I will make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KING: I will make a Motion to Approve the application on behalf of
BUD GEORGE HOLMAN for renovations to the house.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
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Proper-T Services on behalf of ROBERT SOMERVILLE request a Wetland
Permit to construct a single family private residence with private sewage disposal
system and public water. Located: 485 Breezy Path, Southold, NY SCTM#89-2-8
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like to speak in favor of the application?
JIM FITZGERALD: Yes, as I assure you know it is a revisitation of the permit
issued several years ago. It has expired because they had problems finding the
right house to build. Anyhow it is essentially the same project as it was approved.
The house is a little bit different in footprint. It is significantly different in
structure but I do not think that there is anything that would affect the
environmental aspect of the project.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What were the field comments on this?
CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: Non-disturbed buffer.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not see any problem here. Anyone have any
comments? Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: So moved.
TRUSTYEE SMITH: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
26.
Proper-T Services on behalf of C&D REALTY requests a Wetland Permit to
construct single family dwelling with private well and on site sewage disposal
system. Located: 5640 Cox Neck Road, Mattituck SCTM#113-4-1
(POSTPONED PER AGENT'S REQUEST UNTIL SEPTEMBER)
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28.
Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of SCHEMBRI HOMES, INC. Requests a
Wetland Permit to construct +/- 31 'x56' (irreg.) single family residence with
pervious driveway, on site sewage disposal system, public water, drywells to
contain roof run-off. Located: 195 Albacore Drive,
Southold, NY SCTM#56-7-13
(POSTPONED PER AGENT'S REQUEST)
Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of LAWRENCE BLESSINGER
Requests a Wetland permit to construct a single-family dwelling, pool, patio,
pervious driveway, and on-site sewage disposal system, and private well.
Located: 2626 Westphalia Avenue, Mattituck, NY SCTM# 114-7-10.8
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone here like to comment on this application?
CATHERINE MESIANO: Catherine Mesiano for the applicant. As you will
recall last week we agreed that more landward row of hay bales which is 80 feet
from the flagged edge of the title wetlands. Was the limit of the Trustee's
jurisdiction? And that Mr. Blessinger construction activities can take place
landward of that point I have order a new survey. By another surveyor and on my
receipt of that I will give that to you. With the up-dated site plan with all the
proper notations on it. Any questions.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not, any other comment?
CATHERINE MESIANO: I would just like to add that the one deviations from
the survey that was submitted to you is that the (cannot understand) tilted slightly
to the easterly corner will come in a more northerly direction so that it will be
more parallel with that road of hay bales so that will be a change but all the
activity will be landward of that row of hay bales.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a Motion that we Approve LAWRENCE
BLESS1NGER to construct a single family dwelling, pool, patio, pervious
driveway on site sewage disposal system and private well. Located 2626
Westphalia Avenue, Mattituck, NY subject to a new survey.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded,
TRUSTEE KRUPSK8I: Subject to a new survey.
All in favor. ALL AYES.
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30.
Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of MICHAEL PISACANO requests a
Wetland Permit to construct a single-family dwelling, private well, on site
sewage, disposal system and pervious driveway. Located: 2390 West Mill Creek
Drive, Greenport, NY SCTM#51-6-4
(POSTPONED PER AGENT'S REQUEST)
Catherine Mesiano on behalf of GERALYN WIESER requests a Wetland Permit
for clearing within 100' of wetlands. Re-vegetate cleared area, cut existing
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phragmites to 12" cut out briars, and mulch cleared area.. Located: 1030 Country
Club Drive Cutchogue, NY SCTM# 109-3-2.13
TRUSTEEE KRUPSKI: Anyone like to speak in favor of the application.
CATHERINE MESIANO: Catherine Mesiano on behalf of the applicant. We
Meet at the site last week. We agreed at the site that the flag wetland area was
Acceptable to you. The point from which was measured from the corner of the
house where the setback was 100 feet from the house. Approximately 50 feet off
the edge of the pond. Please correct me ifI am wrong I do not have my file with
me. I believe that was the dimensions from that point
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I thought it was 80 feet from the house. Actually it was 50
feet from the pond. We measured that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It was 98 feet.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Okay it 98 feet from the house.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Permit for
GERALYN WIESER clearing within 100 feet of house and re-vegetate naturally
not to be replanted no clearing of phragmites to be left alone and re-vegetate
naturally.
CATHERINE MESIANO: Pragmatism included.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is like a headwaters to down's Creek I would rather
see a buffer there. Do I have a seconded on that?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
31.
Catherine Mesiano on behalf of MA UREEN BENIC request a Wetland Permit
For the seasonal installation of 6'x20' float secured with 4-25 lb. mushroom
anchors. Located: 395 North Parish Drive, Southold,NY SCTM#71-1-4
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This is a swim float I think we are ...
CATHERINE MESIANO: We disagree on that.
ERIC BRESSLER: I am Eric Bressler, ofWickham, Wickham and Bressler PC
for MAUREEN BENIC I understand that the Board had a concern about this
particular application. I must tell you what has occurred here. Previously this
evening I am somewhat mystified by this particular application for the
reservations that the Board has. In review of this file it appears that the applicant
is asking for just about the most minimum thing that can be imagined. There is
no request here for any catwalk or fixed dock. That you consumedly see, there is
no request. That this dock be entered by pilings or fixed permanently to the
bottom. There is only a request for a seasonal, removable floating dock. This to
me distinguished it from all of the applications that come before the Board. It
seems to me that represents just about the minimal environmental intrusion that
you can imagine. Catherine Mesiano has told me about the Board's reservations
relating to the fact that somehow this is not a structure primarily intended to dock
vessels. That it is somehow a swim platform and that this Board does not grant
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swim platforms. I am at a loss to understand how water depths as shown on my
survey would support such a reading. I think this very very minimize instructive
application. There is a different reservation that the Board has about this?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think our policy is and our feelings of swim platforms
are a policy.
ERIC BRESSLER: A policy!
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: A policy.
ERIC BRESSLER: Is that a written policy somewhere. Well this is not a swim
platform. You cannot swim in the depth of water that are shown there. This is
clearly designed and it was indicated by the applicant that this was designed to
moor a vessel. That is what this is.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: What is the depth of water?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It shows 8 inches.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Do you have a DEC permit for a float that is 8 inches
from the bottom?
ERIC BRESSLER: We are here before you and as you have taken pains to tell us
on previous occasions that we must come before you and put our case to you. We
have a special low draft dock that draws 2 inches of water. We are here before
you. If we get approval from you. We will get whatever approvals we need. But
I do not think it is quite cricket to take that approach with us tonight and what
about someone else.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is what you said before, what about everyone else?
ERIC BRESSLER: There is no one else, we are here before you. We are asking
you the question. If DEC had approved it yes I would pound you on that
absolutely. But I did not go there, we are here first. What do you guys think? It
is not a swim platform. You cannot swim in that depth of water.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How do you dock a boat in that water?
ERIC BRESSLER: It goes from 8 at low tide, up to a couple of feet,
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Four and half.
ERIC BRESSLER: You can dock a low draft boat there. Quite easily a canoe
they're a kayak there put a rowboat there. You can put all kinds.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: What is out in the middle. It is off shore?
TRUSTEE SMITH: It is in the bay. It is a mooring out in the bay. It is not
connected to shore I not see where we have jurisdiction.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It is a dock for a boat. It is not a platform.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is permanently anchored there Henry.
TRUSTEE SMITH: No it is seasonal.
ERIC BRESSLER: No this is seasonal we could not ask for less.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am not saying that it is a swim platform. The reason
that we have not approved any swim platforms is that we are trying to conform to
the standards of Chapter 97.28 they may cause damage from erosion from float
ions. I think that this would stir up the bottom every time the wind blew. With
four twenty five mushroom anchors securely. Henry or Kenny?
ERIC BRESSLER: Once in the spring and once in the fall.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI Will they anchor it securely, or would this thing be pulling
out and drifting all over.
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TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I would find this more of a navigational concern than
anything. I personally would know where it is because I would see but however if
I were a recreational boater who did not know about it and followed the shoreline
at night after fishing. If you follow the shoreline at night at high tide. You might
slam right into it.
ERIC BRESSLER: I think we can clearly address that concern.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Reflective tape or something.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I hate to vote on it because you are voting on calling a
mooring on the bay. What about another 700 boats moored out there.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Why don't we ask the Town Attorney and he will have
an answer for us. See what he has to stay about this.
TRUSTEE SMITH: As far as I am concerned we do not have jurisdiction.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: That could be true. Maybe we should find out.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Call Greg and see what he has to say.
ERIC BRESSLER: Ask him about the jurisdictional opinion.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Maybe we do not have jurisdiction and do what is right.
ERIC BRESSLER: I always urge you to do that absolutely,
TRUSTEE FOSTER: If we do not have jurisdiction. We do not have jurisdiction.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Henry maybe right though.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Well, I thought we had jurisdiction out to a water depth of
five feet. We do not regulate moorings in the bay. So it is a mooring, so we do
not have jurisdiction. So you want to act on it as non-jurisdictional. Well if it
turns up later that it is well that is a horse of a different color.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other platforms Kenny?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: In Nassau Point, there are one or two in Nassau Point
there. I do not know the depth of it.
TRUSTEE SMITH: When I was a kid there were swim platforms all over the
place.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Yes, there was.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Then it got to be a liability thing.
ERIC BRESSLER: My wife had one right off the beach.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I imagine it would be tied to a Home Owner's
Insurance.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I would like to make a motion to close the public hearing
because we have not done any moorings in the bay again.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I still think for our own information we should act on it as
non-jurisdiction, but I think that we should find out
(Tape Change)
TRUSTEE FOSTER: How far off the land is this?
TRUSTEE KING: Ninety feet.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Ninety feet offshore.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No
ERIC BRESSLER: It was ninety feet from the rock.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just let it go, send back the money, non-jurisdictional we
cannot keep the money.
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34.
En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of LISA EDSON requests a Wetland Permit to
construct on pilings a one-family, two story dwelling, deck and swimming pool,
install a pervious driveway and sanitary system and that the sanitary system
proposed be more than 130 feet from the wetland boundary, place approximately
850 cubic yards of sand fill, establish a 50" non-disturbance/non-fertilization
buffer adjacent to the tidal wetland boundaries. Connect to public water and other
utilities. Located: 9326 Main Bayview Road, Southold SCTM#87-5-25
(POSTPONED PER AGENT'S REQUEST)
En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of CHARLOTTE DICKERSON request a
Wetland Permit to construct a +/- 138' timber retaining wall and 21' easterly
return, and backfill with approximately 300 cubic yards of clean sand to be
trucked in from an upland source and planted with Cape American Beach Grass
(12" on center). Westerly terminus of proposed structure will tie into face of
adjacent steel retaining wall to west, and portions of existing 1-3 ton stone toe
armor fronting adjacent return will be relocated to armor proposed return.
Located: 630 Blue Horizon Bluff, Peconic, NY SCTM#74-1=35.51
(POSTPONED PER AGENT'S REQUEST)
Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of LIPA-KEYSPAN request a Wetland Permit
for existing access driveway widened and resurfaced. Located: 1773 Mill Road,
Peconic, NY SCTM#74-2-23
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You represent LIPA-KEYSPAN?
PATRICIA MOORE: Yes,
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I have a question then, where are you going to bury those
Towers?
PATRICIA MOORE: We are here on the driveway.
FRED VAUPEL: My name is Fred Vaupel, I am the Project Manager for
Keyspan Energies. We applied for a building construction permit to do some up
Upgrading at the Peconic Station. We received the permit back in December of
2000 and we stared constructed in lat 200 into 2001. During the course of
construction couple of events happened. First there was a storm and we had a
partial washout of the driveway going into the substation and during the course of
construction when we were having the transforms a very large piece of equipment
delivered to the site. It was determined that the truck would not be able to pull
into the driveway, because the entrance way too narrow. So we determine that we
had to widen the driveway going into the substation. I was the project manager
on this project. Never gave it a thought about the wetland issue.
Unknown to me I received a summons shortly after we widened the driveway.
We widened it somewhat and we also repaved it. We received the Town of
Southold I contacted Pat Moore and subsequently we filed for the Trustee's
Permit right after that and the application was submitted and the permit
application was filed. Here we are today,
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Our concerns are the run-off that entered Goldsmith Inlet
from basically that road going in there. So what we would like to see is some
drywells put in to contain as much run-off as possible.
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FRED VAUPEL: The only question that I have regard that is the driveway was
resurfaced so it pretty much restored to the way that it was with the exception that
it is wider. The creek is on the other side of the old road and there was no
drainage for the existing driveway if the new driveway basically restored to the
condition that it was before the wash-out why would we need to have drainage
installed now when we did not have it installed previous to the repavement of the
driveway.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because I am sure you are a responsible company and as
you make improvements to your outfit you probably want to make improvements
that are not going to determinate the natural environment in your work area.
FRED VAUPEL: Believe me I do not have a problem doing something like that.
Just that it was on the other side of the Mill Road and that I assume that if there
was going to any run-off onto Mill Road that there was existing drainage on Mill
Road that the run-off would wash into.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Have you seen when you are in that driveway approaching
Mill Road have you seen the arrangements that the Town has made to deal with
the run-off on Mill Road. There is a gutter there it is pretty ugly. So anything
that you can do there is going to help that because it is basically everything that is
the main line. Not only from your pro9perty, we are not saying that you are the
bad guy. It is coming from everywhere and it is just main line right onto the road.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I live there; I live right off of Mill Road. So I see that every
time it is raining down pouring you cannot see from here to the wall. There was
run-off they're before but that was a blue stone driveway in there.
FRED VAUPEL: It actually was paved but it deteriorated so much over the
years, and the storm we had early in 2001 it pretty much washed away.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It had the appearance of blue stone. It was much narrower
pitched not near the run-off that comes off that never came off it before. But what
happened now that road has a crown to it and on the north side of the road, which
would be towards the sound that is where all the mud and silt is coming. It is just
pouring down there with the heavy rains and it is considerably more than it was
before and it is about twenty five feet from the end of the driveway to where it
goes right into Goldsmith's Inlet. And the Town does have a little gutter there and
the run-off from Mill Road does come down there as well. But the run-off from
that right of way has more than doubled since that road has been paved.
FRED VAUPEL: So what you suggesting is that we put in some kind of a grade
system at the end of driveway.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: something that catches it before it gets to the end of the
driveway. As I said, a couple of things to the west, something to just stop that
heavy accumulation because what is happening if you go out there you see the
ruts next to asphalt this deep. Because what is happening it is starting up there
and it is all running off much more noticeable on either side than actually coming
down right off the main surface and it accumulates and by the time it gets to the
bottom it is just like dumping a five gallon pail of water out. It is pouring down
there.
FRED VAUPEL: We certainly want to do the right thing and if you grant us the
Trustee's Permit we will take care of it we will put some kind of drainage in.
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TRUSTEE FOSTER: Or a diversion you can build a little asphalt gutter off and
diverts it off to the side and put something in there. So that the water will works
its way out of gutter and the way down there. But certainly you do not need
additional water. The Town water that is going in there is enough of heartache.
FRED VAUPEL:I really hates to dig up that driveway.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: We do not want you to do that; there is other ways of doing
it. There are other ways doing it besides that'd
PATRICIA MOORE: So it does not necessary have to be a drywell to contain
some kind of diversions method.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: well if the water went into the woods, by the time it got out
to the road, if it ever came that far. It would not be mud. It would just be water.
All the properties along Mill Road, all drain to the road. All the properties have
water coming off them. It is not dirty water it is not mud and silt.
FRED VAUPEL; I do not thing drywells would work there anyway.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It is just clay, it is basically impervious so you are going to
have to possible dig a trench along the edge of the asphalt on either side and fill it
with big gravel. Like as french drain it is not physically not going to drain but it
is going to find its way to the bottom but all the impurities will kind of stop along
the way. The problem is the water it is running down the edge and the edge is all
dirt. By the time it settles to bottom it has accumulated such a vast amount if you
fill it with gravel. It will minimize the erosion if any.
FRED VSUPEL: I understand I just wanted to make sure that everybody
understood that we did not intention. It was not our attention not to apply for
Trustee's Permit. We were completely unaware that we had to apply for one we
actually thought that we were covered under the Building Permit.
When we receive the permit we will get a contractor out there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: In the meantime what about burying those lines?
FRED VAUPEL: Actually you probably know about what we are at than what I
know.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yeah.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I see the Connecticut guys want transmission lines across the
sound.
FRED VAUPEL: That is a project that we are involved in.
TRUSTEE KING: What gas lines?
TRUSTEE SMITH: No electric lines. They figured they would go underneath
there and the vibrations was going to kill the lobsters.
FRED VAUPEL: We basicalley LIPA is partners with the township of Southold
and the decision that the process was the ultimate value of the line. The line is
23KD now and we want to convert it to 59KD bcause this is probably what is
needed. Right now it looks like if I had to take a guess I would probably a some
kind of height installation and some areas it would be underground. Our final
decision has not been made.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So it is a possibility then.
FRED VAUPEL: I would say I do not think at the end of the day either party is
going to go home getting actly what they wanted.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So opened farm land you would go underground where it
is easier.
FRED VAUPEL: The problem with open farm land is where the existing line is
now. It actually not a right of way. Those are individually negiotated easements
and there is probably a neighborhood of 150 or 160 easements along that route.
So even if LIPA wanted to and desires to put the whole line undeground. We
would have to negiotate with every single one of the property owners. Because
the easement that were granted are aerial easemenets. They own allow the line to
be placed over that. We would have to re-negioate new easements. For every
single property owner's and all you have to do is have one person that ! do not
want it. What do you do?
TRUSTEE KRUPSLI: ! will sign mine today. You have one. Do you know
what it is to farm around those things?
FRED VAUPEL: ! am sure it is an inconvenience.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But if it has to go overhead, the space between the towers.
FRED VAUPEL: With the distance between the towers. There is the possibility
yes they could be lying down.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: ! have a four-poster on one property line.
FRED VAUPEL: The intrastructure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: In the middle is a two poster
FRED VAUPEL: The towers are the two posters and there are box towers, which
are the four, what we are proposing is that all of those towers be removed and
they would be replaced with steel poles. Which are artily nicer looking they take
up less space. But there still has to be an area around that pole so there was
maintenance issue and we had to get a work force in there on an emergency basis.
They would be able to access each one of these poles.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure of course. But could they be spaced out so you can
put them more on the property lines.
FRED VAUPEL: See that is the other problem is that the easement that were
negotiated which believe or not that line has actually been there since the 1920's
The easements that were negotiated have very stringent guidelines as to where
you can actually put the poles and the towers. So it is not like if! have a tower
here and ! can just move it thirty feet to the east and thirty feet to the west.
Basically it has to go where it is.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You are not making us feel any better.
FRED VAUPEL: like ! said the real issue is the fact that you are dealing with a
150-distinguee easements. We actually read through all these easements and a lot
of them are very similar but some of them have there own little verbiage in there
and when you get down to the brass tax and you start to do something people are
going to. You see more than ! do, ! watched these meetings you cannot get two
people to agree on anything.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: We came under fire tonight.
FRED VAUPEL: We have accessed that whole line probably twenty different
ways and all of those assessments are being used with both Southold and
Riverhead township. To give them a clear understanding of all of the engineering
that has been done so far. What all of the options are? The lines along the
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railroad right a way along Sound Avenue, along the existing easements.
Combination of the three. There are a lot of different ways you can do it. But
you also have to also maintain lines close to the substation. The further you go
away from the substation the more costly they get. Because you have to tie the
lines into so it is a complicated process and I think LIPA is doing the right thing
in that they are involved with both of the townships for the purposes of maintain
good community relations. They want them involved in the decision-making
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So even a small improvement is an improvement.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: You would not want to be without electric. \
FRED VAUPEL: It is a necessary evil. You need the lines I understand no one
wants to look at them; no body wants them in their backyard. But they have to be
somewhere.
PATRICIA MOORE: Can we get this permit so we can get out of the violation.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes do I have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE SMTIH: So moved.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a motion to Approve permit for
LIPA/Keyspan for as built improvements to the access road with the stipulation
that you French drains along the edge to minimize the run-off.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES.
FRED VAUPEL: Thank you very much.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: thank you for the information, I had one question for you
but I will not ask you. Because these people are waiting to get out of here.
FRED VAUPEL: I will give you my card. If you have any questions regarding
any of those issues feel free to give me a call.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Thank you very much.
35.
Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of BOB DAY request a Wetland Permit for
renovation to existing house 8'x8' addition and 36'x24' addition. Located: 7055
Indian Neck Road, Peconic, NY SCTM#86-05-26.1
TRUSTEE KRUPSLI: anyone here like to speak on behalf of the applicant.
PATRICIA MOORE: I am here if you have any questions?
TRUSTEE OSTER: I looked at this.
PATRICIA MOORE: You are above the ten foot contour the DEC ruled it non-
jurisdictional and then we got the house that is existing. There is a patio there
now that is a little tiny pop-out on the one side. That is about the only water side
which is further away than the rest of the house. There is a larger addition to the
neighbor's house. You remember.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Yes, I was just looking for it. I cannot remember is there is
a paper in here that actually showed that. There is no blue print in here.
PATRICIA MOORE: There is a survey with the additions.
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TEUSTEE FOSTER: I really did not see a problem with it. You have to throw up
some haybales up there. You got to address the run-off problem. It is a lot less
than the 100 feet from the wetlands.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Gutters and drywells and all that.
TRUSTEE SMITH: To contain there own roof run-off.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Haybales during construction.
PATRICIA MOORE: There is an existing house there.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: But it is right in the wetlands. I do not know what the
survey shows. It is high up but it still is jurisdictional. I did not see a problem
with it. It is just haybales around the perimeter. I make a motion to close the
hearing.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion that we approve the BOB DA Y application
for renovations to existing house 8'x8' addition and 36'x24' addition. Located:
7055 Indian Neck Road, with the stipulation that contain roof-run-off and
drywells on the new addition.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
36.
Patricia C. Moore, Esq.. On behalf of GERALD RAFFERTY requests a
Wetland Permit for the placement of spoil (from SCDPW dredge of Little Creek
or other) Geotube for retention of sand and plant with Cape American Beach
Grass 18" on center and Rosa Rugosa $' on center. Relocate away from wetland
existing float, ramp and piles approx. 75' west (inside private boat basin).
Located: 9205 Skunk Lane, Cutchogue, NY SCTM#104-3-16.1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are we going to move forward on this Rafferty.thing I see
Joe Edgar in the hallway?
PATRICIA MOORE: You are kidding he showed. I am so pissed off at him. I
gave him the agenda. I called him the guy is just .... I am going to write a letter to
my client and say if this guy doesn't show up don't waste time. This is the third
time. My client is paying for my time. He is not going to pay my time when I do
not have anyone there with me. So we will see what happens.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you want to table it?
PATRICIA MOORE: Yes, please.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a Motion to Table the application for
GERALD RAFFERTY
TRUSTEE FOSTER: That is a SEQRA determination to.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Can you please read it Artie?
PATRICIA MOORE: Are you going to negative it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is an unlisted action.
PATRICIA MOORE: An unlisted action with a negative depth.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I maybe wrong, I marked it. No I do not have it. Rafferty
is not on here but I got SEQRA written down here
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All right
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37.
ALEXANDRA JONES on behalf of THOMAS J. MEYER request a Wetland
Permit to place (removable for winter storage) 32' consisting of a 4 section of 8'
long 4' wide to walk or sit on. No excavation, or permancy of installation is
required. No phragmites to 12" where removable walkway goes. Located: 2065
Soundview Avenue, Southold SCTM#59-06-17
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Where are the field notes on this, Charlotte?
TRUSTEE King: We thought a wood chip walkway down there would be better
than those platforms so you can get out where it is wet and the phragmites and
then but the platform out.
THOMAS MEYER: She made four of them. What I actually wanted to do it is
much more than 32 feet. It is about sixty feet, so you want the walkways the first
part thirty eat away. Wood chips to the water?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No opposite.
TRUSTEE KING: Just the other way around.
THOMAS MEYER: The opposite you do not want the walkway all the way back
to.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is all upland there. Once you get into the phragmites
you can put the walkway down.
THOMAS MEYER: I come right from where it is really muddy. The phragmites
are ten fee height the whole thing. I am going to make a path. Legally can you
trim them? So that it is not ten foot high.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You really cannot trim them. In some places we allow
trimming. But that is the edge of lake and I do not know. You can trim for a
path.
TRUSTEE SMTIH: just the path.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If you do not trim back a little more than the path. They
are just going to hang over
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: We will give you four-foot path and trim them.
THOMAS MEYER: Twelve inches on each side. To the left they are ten feet
high and you just cannot clean that a little. I noticed that everyone has it cleared;
I just wanted to take a foot or so.
TRUSTEE SMITH: That would encourage them to grow thicker. If you cut them
back.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think you better leave them alone.
TRUSTEE SMITH: They will get tough.
THOMAS MEYER: Because I saw that everybody has it cleaned up a little bit.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Let us move on here. Do I have a motion to close the
hearing?
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES.
THOMAS MEYER: Can I disturb to level it is a little bit to the ground. Because
it is not all even.
TRUSTEE SMTIH: How are the phragmites?
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THOMAS MEYER: The ground itself not phragmites.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Sure you can.
THOMAS MEYER: Some kind of wood, wood chips.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Wood chips or gravel whatever you want to put down to
walk on.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Just as long as it is not black top.
THOMAS MEYER: The actual placement there is a path that goes out to the
right spot where it is the narrowest for the phragmites, The survey you have does
not necessary have to be in that exact spot. That is not the spot if anyone was out
there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Get a copy of the survey and draw in where you want it.
We are going to let you put the path located at your convenience. So if you want
to put the path down then get a copy of the survey and draw it in.
THOMAS MEYER: So I got to draw it in survey the exact spot and show it
before I do it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It should not take long. Draw it in there.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Just so that we have accurate records that is all.
THOMAS MEYER: Do I have to go to a hearing for that or something.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No we are going to give you the approval to do it.
has to make a motion
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I will make a motion to Approve the application of
THOMAS MEYER as requested.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER All in favor. ALL AYES.
TRUSTEE
TRUSTEE
TRUSTEE
KRUPSKI: I need a motion to go back to the Regular Meeting.
FOSTER: So moved. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
So one
VI.
MOORINGS:
1. JEFFREY CITERA request off-shore mooring to replace #852 Goose Creek
13 foot boat Access: Public
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Approve. TRUSTEE POLIWODA seconded.
ALL AYES.
2. GEORGE F. HAASE JR. request offshore stake with pulley to onshore stake
-Arshamomaque Creekl3 foot outboard/boat. Access: Private.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Approve. TRUSTEE POLIWODA seconded
ALL AYES.
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3. BILL E SPOSITO request off shore mooring - Deep Hole Creek for a 16'
Sailboat. Access: Private
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Approve TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL
AYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT,' 11:30 pm
Respectfully submitted by:
Charlotte Cunningham, Clerk
Board of Trustees