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Southold Town Planning Board
SDUTHDLD. L. I., N. Y.
PLANNI NG BOARD
MEMBERS
Jonn Wickham. Chairman
Henry Moise
Alfred Grebe
Archibald Young
William Unkclbach
NOT E S
December 17, 1963
Notes taken at a joint meeting of the Southold Town
Board, Planning Board and Greenport Village Board and
Planning Board, 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, December 17, 1963 at
the office of the Supervisor, 16 South Street, Greenport,
New York.
There were present: Supervisor Lester M. Albertson,
Justices Tuthill and Clark, Councilman Demarest and Mr.
Howard Valentine, and Town Clerk Richmond. Messrs. John
Wickham, Chairman of the Planning Board, Henry Moisa,
Archibald Young, Alfred Grebe and William Unkelbach.
Mayor Arthur Levine, John Sherwood, Planning Board Chairman,
Bernard Van Popering and Leo Goldin.
Also present: Mr. Lee Koppelman. Suffolk County Planning
Consultant, Mr. Richard May, Jr. and Mr. Polly, both of Raymond
& May Associates.
Mr. Richard May opened the meeting at 7:55 P.M. and
reviewed the previous meetings, stating it is a tremendous
challenge and they are happy to be selected to do the Master
Plan job for the Town of Southold.
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Mr. May stated that the water, economic and sociological
studies are unusual but very important to the area and his work
will dovetail in with these studies. A lot will depend upon
Mr. Koppelman of the Suffolk county Planning Department. Much
of the problems and sources of trouble from out of the area
airports, highways, recreational facilities, etc. should be
coordinated thxough the Planning Commission of the County.
The Rockland County job was an example of fine cooperation.
Mr. May again explained the 701 program. Federal funds
2/3, State funds 1/6, Local funds 1/6. The State contracts
with the municipality and with the consultants for the work.
The State supervises the consultant's work and will be at all
meetings to check progress and procedures. Mr. May had a
rough plan to dovetail his and other parts of the job done by
the water engineer and Cornell. He distributed a copy of the
"proposal of Preparation of a Comprehensive Development plan
for the Urban Area Composed of the Town of Southold and the
village of Greenport."
Mr. Polly was introduced and his background as a planner
explained. He has been with Raymond & May over five years
as well as when he was in Columbia Planning School.
Mr. May then went over the proposal briefly. The scale
to work with has not yet been decided, possibly 890 ft. to
the inch. They will use the largest scale to fit the map.
They expect to get maps from Tri-State, Sanborne Map Co.,
County, anywhere they can get good background material. The
final map will be on cloth. He displayed a base and land
use map at 800 ft. to the inch made for the Town of Newburgh.
They will do detailed maps of the Village and hamlets showing
location, use and occupancy of each building.
The analysis phase will require that water and Cornell
studies be completed ahead of Raymond & Mayor at least
at the same time. All of the listed studies will be going on
simultaneously so they all can b e evaluated equally. They
expect to cooperate with Cornell. The topographical survey will
show hills, swamps, creeks, etc. The Town and village have
separately discussed possible types of industry and their water
demands. They will look for best sides for industry and zone
for it in the new ordinance.
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They will order a special census tabulation for information
locating density of population and trends of development.
Housing and housing conditions will be checked with the Cornell
group. They will try to find the causes of blight and recommend
remedies.
Raymond and May have their own traffic counters and will
do traffic and pedestrian studies, accident reports, parking
on and off street and recommend new parking if necessary. There
will be a speed and distance study throughout the Town to
classify roads, including width, and propose improvements and
new roads where necessary.
Public facilities - They will map what we have and then
recommend improvements in all phasesand will cooperate with
Cornell on this. He showed a colored map of proposed roads,
etc. on a previous job. This map will be separate for the Town
and Village. They hope to first do intensive studies in all
phases in the first year.
There will be a proposed agenda for each meeting, after
which a summary of the meetings will be prepared for publication
if desired. The preliminary Master plan will be completed
in 18 months. This will go to the public for their approval
informally.
Q by Mr. Koppelman - During the 18 month period will
all of the work be with the Planning Board or will the public
be in on it? A by Mr. May - They have found a Citizens
Committee is not practical. The Planning Board is most
important; the public is important but it can get out of hand.
Some public meetings to present facts are o.k., but recommendations
should not be made until everything is finished and ready.
We must be completely prepared before letting the public interfere.
On renewal planning in small areas the public is o.k. Mr. polly
will give out controlled publicity in the local papers to
educate the public. They will be glad to have speakers at
service club meetings or other groups. They will divide
publications into data and plan with maps, etc.
The capital improvements program will be proposed in
phases and with financing proposals, etc. This would be for
the Town and Village. The changes recommended will be as the
local boards agree to.
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Q by Mr. Sherwood - We don't have any definite commitment
with Cornell or for water. what do they propose to do if the
Village doesn't get same? A BY Mr. May - We will bring in our
own experts who are qualified to do this work. The water study
is most essential. this is basic to all possibilites and studies
and proposals.
Mr. Koppelman stated that the Town has a very basic idea
in having the water study. It is critical. They have salt
water in Montauk and their planning does not include water
studies. He spoke about the studies used by the county. The
water survey is a specialty and mostengineers are not qualified
to do the work. The water is the foundation for all development.
He stated that a specialist would have to be obtained to do the
Cornell phase of the studies if Cornell were not available.
It was determined that all three proposals will be
approximately $66,000. The local share will be $11,000.
Q by Mayor Levine - We have had consultants for three
months or more working locally. Can this data be used to
reduce water study costs? A by Mr. May - pirnie proposes to
use all available data from all sources at the fee he quotes.
Mr. wickham reviewed the pirnie proposal and explained the
intent of the studies and special fields to be covered.
Q by Mayor Levine - Our consultant is doing extensive work.
We should use his report to reduce the cost of the water study.
We think there will be too much duplication. A by Mr.
Koppelman:- I don't know Holzmacher too well. Pirnie is one
of the best in the country and I think we should look over the
data and see if it can be coordinated.
Q by Supervisor Albertson - We canSt get Federal money for
a special water survey can we? A - No. However, the $5.000
fee is very nondnal for the work proposed. (Stated by Mr. May
and Mr. Koppelman.) Mr. May stated that the study will be done
in the year we want it done, 6 months before it is needed.
Mr. May asked Mayor Levine to ask Holzmacher how long he will
take to complete his studies.
Lengthy discussion was held on all the proposals and the
costs of each. and the availability of some other programs coming
up in the state.
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Mr. Wickham stated that he felt the proposal by Raymond
and May was high in proportion to the Cornell and water survey.
Mayor Levine stated he was shocked at the Village share of the
cost at a ratio of 2 to 1.
Mr. May stated that they have tried to allocate time and
costs fairly on what has to be done. The Vnlage is more complicated
therefore higher in proportion. The Raymond and May costs have
gone up as jobs are more complex and they have/get better men.
Mr. May stated he feels they are in line as tt~y have to work with
others as well as local boards and they feel time is co~tly and
their proposal should do the complete job thoroughly. There are
some things required by the Federal & state government that are
really not necessary. If this is done to the local specifications
the price can be cut in proportion.
Mr. Koppelman talked on his view of this plan and on what
other towns have experienced. There was a long discussion on
alternatives and detail work.
Mr. May said they will give a study on the impact of the
proposed Connecticut bridge to whatever extent information is
available.
There was discussion on the seaport planning and development
for Greenport and possible uses which can be made of the port.
Mr. Koppelman said that it would be best to have pirnie and
Holzmacher look at the situation.
Supervis~r Albertson broke down the costs into the
proportions. The Village felt the costs were excessive. There
was also some analysis of the Cornell study.
It is possible the Raymond & May study can be trimmed
some if the Village is~ ready for the complete plan. The
Town should take as much as possible of the proposal as they
are ready for an intensive planning study.
Mayor Levine requested at least five copies of the
proposal for the Village Board to study.
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was agreed that Raymond and May will meet with the
Board and then have the Supervisor call another
to see about the revision in cost proposal.
Meeting adjourned at 11:30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Howard Terry
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