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Home My WebLink About11/10/1965 M1.QUXE~ Joint Meeting on Master Plan November 10, 1965 A joint meeting of the Greenport Village Boards and the Southold Town Boards was held on November 10, 1965, at 7:30 P~M~, at the Office of the Southold Town Supervisor, 16 South Street, Greenport, New York. There were present: supervisor Albertson, (Councilman Demerast called _ unable to attend meeting due to sickness in the family), Mayor Levine, John Sherwood, Chairman of Greenport Village planning Board; John Wickham, Chairman Southold Town Planning Board; Henry Moisa, Town Planning Board; Archibald Young, Town Planning Baard; Henry Bunce, ViDage planning Board; Harry Monsell, village Planning Board; Robert Tasker, Town Attorney, otto Van Tuyl, P.E., Planning Board Consultant; Lawrence Tuthill, P.E., Construction Inspector for Planning Board; Howard Terry, Town Building Inspector; Howard Quinn, Planning Division, New York State Dept. of Commerce, 230 Park Avenue, New York City, (to replace John Diffigios of Albany Office), Harry Weinroth, Raymond & May; Prof. Robert Carroll, Prof. David Allee, and David Morton of Cornell University Staff. Mr. John Sherwood, Chairman for the evening, called the meeting to order at 7:55 P.M. Visiting men were introduced by Harry Weinroth who displayed a base map with contour elevations at 10 foot intervals. He asked the Planning Boards about showing the swamp areas, meadow lands, and other unusual topographical features. It was agreed that all swamp areas or other places where there is a possibility of -2- trapping or returning fresh water to the ground should be shown clearly. The question was raised and some discussion was held on whether they should be dredged out or retained in a natural state. Several ways to protect and perserve these areas were discussed. It can be done by zoning, open space programs, making "public lands", by easement agreements, or contract agreements, purchasing the development rights, etc., or getting a first opUon to buy the land in question. JOHN WICKHAM: The Town of Huntington and one of their villages have a contract arrangement on a parcel similar to this. OUr Town has asked Raymond and May to make a study of this feature. We also have asked Cornell to prepare a state wide program, legislation if necessary, so that all towns can benefit by conservation of agricul- tural lands and other vacant, or "open" type lands. MAYOR LEVINE: We are to have six or so meetings between our consultant and the separate village or Town Boards. We feel an urgent need of some special consultation on special features of our ordinance and some advise on possible urban renewal. JOHN WICKHAM: I move that the consultant is to have as many meetings as the Village may want, as the next item in our program. (It was agreed that the December meeting be devoted to the Village's immediate problems and that a joint meeting would be held again on January 12, 1966. MR. QUINN: I am willing to concentrate any meeting with either board, but we should not set up alternating meetings. There was a discussion on setting up a special meeting between the village and the consultant. It was finally agreed that the December 8, 1965 meeting would be best. The mayor is to call Raymond and May Associates to arrange an agenda for the meeting. John Sherwood repdted that the Village Planning Board has held the required hearing on their subdivision regulations,(two people present). They are now awaiting the Village Board's final approval so they can be put into effect. JOHN WICKHAM: Dr. Carroll and Dr. Allee couldn't come last month, but are here now to give their preliminary report. Dr. Allee will start with his part of the program. Bruce Wilkins has completed his part of the field work, it is a two year program. He must summarize and make his report in the near future, as he is working against a deadline set by Cornell. He is now working on fishing) processing, marketing, etc. -3- DR. ALLEE: (Representing Department of Agricultural Economics:) "Our base study concerned money transactions for 1963, purchases by farmers from suppliers and others, also sales receipts. We tried to evaluate the farmers finances - rentals, size of operation, land values, about interference between agriculture and others, etc. "We have had good cooperation from the farmers with the inter- views and a very good response from most farmers. We will use the six class soil map as a reference, and classify the farms as marginal, moderate income, and substantial income, which are profit making and generally expanding operations. Most of the Town is in the two top brackets. "We will give an evaluation report to the consultants, and make the usual economic reports that give the overall picture, but that will rot identify any individual farm operation. With the present trends, we can expect in the future that any farm under 100 acres will have a hard time making a go of it. A farm 100 acres to 150 acres will probably have fair returns and some profit. The larger (19) farms will be in the best position. "We found 145 commercial farms. We can expect in ten years or so, there will only be 50 farms operating hold out and resist development and other uses of the land. To keep agriculture going, we will recommend some consolDation of farm operations, and that they all use to the utmost all of the educational facilities available." DaDid Morton reported that the has interviewed 250 non farm businesses (including those in the Village of Greenport), and showed a chart of the results. Professor Allee explained the charts and how to read them. They have to be completed and some need to be revised. There was a half hour discussion on these charts and the results tha t were shown. DR CARROLL: "I had copies of and Planning Boards ahead of time this report mailed out to~~wn for this meeting. "I want . you to read this report, as I will want to come back again to go into this in great detail. We have all had a great education in this type of survey. We have summaries in the report that show about everything that affects the town in any way. -4- "The most~Pllb'€ant break is between permanent residents and part time res1d~nts~ All data collectedCan be tabulated in any way desired. It is all available at my office and can be adjusted to others through the charts shown. "About half of the summer population own their own houses, but don't live here all year around. The normal summer population is about 1 ~ times the year around population. By including the weekends, and visitors, etc., it will bring the total to three or four times the year around population. "We have charts on the population projection to 1985 on estimates of low, medium, and high increase, also an the part time population. A high percentage stated that it is their intention to have a retire- ment home here. "We used Lee Koppleman's %lQPDDflIX figures (Suffolk County Planning Commission), and adjusted them with our own figures. This indicated a straight line projection on the medium estimates to 1975. We expect the retirement type population to increase. "All indications are that the younger people will lDID leave because of lack of suitable employment." several questions on the report and its indications were asked, and a lengthy (3/4 of an hour) discussion was held on it. JOHN WICKHAM: I think we should restrict any information on these preliminary reports until it is all complete. (This was agreed by all present) A vote of appreciation was extended to Dr. Carroll, Dr. Allee, and staffs for the ~ thorough work they are doing for the Town. The meeting was adjourned at 10:00 P.M. Respectfully submitted, r'J,,', ' ~" (, , " " .. v ...."-",,~.... Howard Terry, Pro Tern _.~_..-.. - ',' \/L. 1 Secretary