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HomeMy WebLinkAbout04/13/1966 M~NQTE~ JOINT MEETING ON THE MASTER PLAN April 13,1966 A joint meeting on the Master Plan was held at 7:30 P.M., Wednesday, April 13, 1966, at the Office of the Supervisor, L6 South Street, Greenport, New York. There were present: Mr. Howard Quinn, New York State Department of Commerce; Mr. Harry Weinroth, Raymond and May Associates; Mr. Ernest Whitlock, Malcolm Pirnie Engineers; Mr. Howard Valentine and Mr. Louis Demarest, Councilmen Southold Town Board; Raymond Dean, Superintendent of Highways; Mayor Levine, Herbert Kalin, Samuel Katz, Greenport Village Board; Messrs: John Wickham, Chairman, Archibald Young, Henry Moisa, William Unkelbach, Alfred Grebe, Southold Town Planning Board; Mr. Otto Van Tuyl, P.E., Mr. Lawrence Tuthill,P.E., Consultants to Planning Board; Howard Terry, Building InspedDr; Messrs: John Sherwood, Chairman; Henry Bunce, Harry Monsell, Dr. Leo GOldin, Village Planning Board; Mr. James Monsell, Superintendent of Utilities of Greenport Village. Mr. John Sherwood, Acting Chairman opened the meeting at 7:40 P.M. The minutes of the last meeting were approved as sent out. The maps left by Raymond and May Associates at the last meeting to be checked by both the Town and Village were returned to Mr. Weinroth with notes and corrections as requested marked on same. Joi~t Meeting on the Master Plann -2- April 13, 1966 Mr. Weinroth displayed the land use map of the Village with the various use districts in color. These showed residence, single and multiple business, industry, public services, etc. He stated this is similar to the one to be done for the Town. The business areas will be done at scale of 1" equals 100 feet. He needs a recent aerial photo of Fishers Island to complete the work there. The meeting was turned over to Mr. Whitlock at this time. He displayed one of the "overall" Town maps made by Raymond and May with outline of the underground "waterdome" in one foot contours above sea level from(O) Zero feet to (7) seven feet. His data was taken from Unites States Coastal and Geodetic data, test wells and other published data together with his own observations from field trips and su~eys that he has personaly made throughout the Town. The Town was divided into eight (8) separate areas. Section A - west of Mattituck; Section B - Mattituck to Southold; Section C - Greenport and East Marion; Section D - Orient; Section E - Bay View; Section F - Nassau Point; Section G - Robbins Island; Section H - Fishers Island. He stated that we are now in a dry cycle and are to date about 20 inches short of rainfall. The usual difference is about two (2) XXXKKX feet in our ground water level between wet and dry seasons. Mr. Whitlock explained the rainfall, how it evaporates, the run, off, etc., and estimated that twenty;,lfive (25) to thirty (30) per cent of normal fourty-five (45") inch rainfall would eventually reach our gcund water table. A reasonable estimate of our average normal daily use is about 6,500,000 gallons. During a "dry spell" with normal amount of farm irrigation we will use a minimum of 15,000,000 gallons of water per day. The domestic use is estimated at 1,500,000 gallons of water per day for a year around average, and there are eight (8) to ten (10) million gallons of water per day escaping into salt water by not having dams or dikes at the head of all the creeks. It was Mr. Whitlock 's recommerldation that the Town make every effort to con troll the use of land at the head of our creeks. They should eliminate all future man-made canals, etc., put dikes or dams whereyer possible to hold back the fresh water, etc. Joint Meeting on the Master Plan -3- April 13, 1966 Mr. Whitlock also displayed several cross-section maps of the Town. One for each of the above mentioned districts, each showing a land elevation, the "water dome" elevations, and fresh water depth, etc. He explained some of the underlaying geology as to what holds fresh water and what does not hold water. The water dome to depth ratio of one (1) foot above sea: level to thirty (30) feet below sea level holds true generally throughout the Town. The large map also showed by symbols and number location of feasible dikes in the most advantageous locations through- out the Town. He estimated the dikes would save five per cent (5%) of run off water. There seems to be about 12,000 acres under about a four (4) month season of irrigation, using about 28,000 gallons of water to put one (l) inch of water on the land, for an average year. There was a lenghty discussion on use of irrigation water, advantages of the proposed dams or dikes, possibility of Town ~ll'hll.. acquisition of "wet lands" and future "well areas". Also the programs used in some other states to preserve open areas and "water sheds". Mr. Whitlock pointed out several areas where the runn off from very large areas is now going directly "overboard" . It was pointed out that it is much easier to controll mosquitos in a fresh water pond or lake than in salt marsh or swamp lands as they can be stocked with fish and made real attractive. Mr. Whitlock specifically talked about the Orient area, and stated that every possible leaching basin, and dry well should be installed to catch run off water and that the meadows should be dammed to hold back all fresh water possible. It was his opinion that water from the interior elevations now should be and soon will have to be piped to the built up and more fully developed areas along the creeks and shore line. Provisions for this should be made as soon as possible. Joint Meeting on the Master Plan -4- April 13, 1966 Mr. Whitlock sununed up his talk with the following reconunendations: 1. The Town must be careful not to get salt water intrusion. They should stop surface run off and return it to the ground in2all cases. 2. The head of all creeks should be diked. 3. The Town should not allow the digging of any more man made canals. 4. The Town should create and maintain fresh water ponds where ever possible and build as many catch basins and recharge basins as possible. 5. There should be controll of well locations, keep away from all salt water areas at least 1000 feet, and keep all large wells and well fields inland, not closer than 500 feet to each other. 6. There should be control 1 of water use. Plan ahead for well locations, subdivisions and other development uses; provide now for public water well fields and protect these in every way possible. It was his opinbn and estimate that we can safely double our present population and domestic use with the same amount of irrigation we now use. We would need a balanced water system to more than double our present domestic use, and triple the present domestic use would require water from outside of the Town. (Desalting or other supply of fresh water) . The quality of the water is generally good. Some areas have an excess of iron and manganese, but it is not too bad. We should give secondary treatment to the Village sewer outfall water and pump it back into the ground or make a fresh water pond to filter it back into the ground water instead of letting it run "overboard". We will have to strictly limit our population growth if we do not provide additional sources of fresh water. . Joint Meeting on the Master Plan -5- April 13, 1966 These recommendations were throughly discussed, also possible locations and types of water systems. Mr. Whitlock will meet with our Boards several more times before he is finished. Also he will do more field work before summer. He will mark all critical spots and areas on the map to go with his final report. Mr. Whitlock thanked Harry Monsell and others for the cooperation and data given him and will notify us when he is ready to do =re work in 1he Town. A rising vote of thanks was extended to Mr. Whitlock for what he has done and for the report to date. The next joint meeting on the Master Plan will be held at 7:30 P.M.. Wednesday, May 11. 1966. at the Office of the Supervisor, 16 South Street, Greenport, New York. Mr. Whitlock will mail out some material to each member before the next meeting so it can be discussed then. The meeting was adjourned at 9:30 P.M. Respectfully submitted, ~0c~~Le~ Howard Terry, Secretary Pro Tern /bd . .' -')>.....< -L' 7 / c:>_;j-<.C<? ... ,~/ / :?.;<'?~ /.!- , ~.,--- / ~. 'I ~;7,? a~~~/ S;;,<;~ /l~ /:.., ,.0/ / L/---y, / <. (~...~ --f.~?