HomeMy WebLinkAboutTR-09/28/1989FRANK A. KUJAWSKI, JR., President
ALBERT J. KRUPSKI, JR., Vice-President
JOHN M. BREDEMEYER, III
JOHN L. BEDNOSK1, JR.
HENRY P. SMITH
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BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Town-Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 728
Southold, New York 11971
Minutes
September 28, 1989
TELEPHONE
(516) 765-1892
PRESENT WERE:
President, Frank A. Kujawski, Jr.
Trustee, Albert J. Krupski, Jr
Trustee, John Bredemeyer, III
Trustee, Henry P. Smith
Trustee, John L. Bednoski, Jr.
Clerk, Joan Schneider
Clerk, Jane Blados
Next Trustees Board Meeting: October 19, 1989 at 7:00PM, Worksession at
6:00PM.
Field Inspections: October 17, 1989 at l:00PM
Call to Order
Pledge of Allegiance
I. MONTHLY REPORT:
The Trustee monthly report for August, 1989, a check for $3,924.00 was
issued to the Supervisors's Office for deposit in General Fund.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES:
Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board for review.
Trustees' Inspection: October 17, 1989
Trustees' Meeting: October 19, 1989
III. COMMUNICATIONS:
1. U.S. Army Cgrps of Engineers re: Maintenance dredging of Mattituck
Creek planned for the winter of 1989.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: They are talking about '15 thousand cubic yards of dredge
swell. I have sent a letter to them asking them to consider the
possibility of depositing spoil on the Bailey Beach side of the breakwater
which once again the dune has eroded there, the traffic and the four-wheel
drive and everything else going on it. I think that would be a good spot
to put a portion of that fill.
ALBERT KRUPSKI, Jr.: Is there any possibility of limiting access to that
to cut down on the traffic?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: It's Park District property. We talked about that in the
past. They put...at one time they had embedded telephone poles, actually,
and people went right around them. The only solution would be to control
it. I wouldn't consider that kind of budget at this time, but I think
something like that will have to be done. I believe the Town Board,
yesterday, also, went on record with a resolution to support putting a
portion of the dredge spoil there.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Well, that's an ambitious project. When do they ...ah
FRANK: This winter, .... OK, so much for that.
2. John Thatcher, Fishers Island Conservancy re: Robert Searle
application for construction of house adjacent to Barlow Pond.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I have a letter about the Searle application on Fishers
Island from John Thatcher, Fishers Island Conservancy. This is quite an
involved application, what appears to be, without having looked at it, a
sensitive area of wetlands and fresh water for the Island. We've been in
contact with the DEC trying' to figure out how their application went
through there so fast and Joan has gotten some information, right? Right
now we are waiting for Paul Carella to call back, who's in freshwater
wetlands, to see if he actually did do an inspection. It's considered that
possibly, an inspection was not even done and this went through as an
unlisted action without any flags going up. If that's the case, they will
possibly consider revoking or suspending the permit until we can go
through a SEQRAprocess, where we would have a more detailed review,
especially if it turns out that no one did look at it. We've gOt to get
over there, too. While we're on the topic, since it doesn't appear
anywhere else on the agenda, we did get permission to hire Cramer &
Voorhis to go over and do an environmental assessment for us with
comments, but to be honest with you, .I want the Board to consider this.
They are talking about $450.00 just to go over there, plus transportation
from Southold Town. That seems to be a lot of money.
ALBERT KRUPSKI, Jr.: Did I get the impression that no matter what they
said the Board would be required to make an inspection or it would be a
... would it be necessary for the Board to make an inspection.
FRANK KUJAWSKI, Jr.: It might not be if they made a thorough assessment
of it, but the point is, I think we should probably do an inspection.
They have something else going on, also. The CEA designation for all of
Fishers Island is coming up with a public hearing over there, I think, on
the llth in the afternoon, and if that goes through,and the Island becomes
a CEA area, this would automatically be getting a thorough review. So,
at this point, what does everybody feel ~hout the price of the consultant?
ALBERT KRUPSKI: I think it would be a better idea if the Board went over
and reviewed it.
HENRY SMITH: I think if we looked at it ourselves, first , and then made
an intelligent decision after we had personally looked at it, then just go
ahead and...
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Well, this site is near the freshwater drinking supply.
Wasn't there another application?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Bagley Reis?...Reid? .... Remember him?
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Bagley Reid, ok, I remember the site, too. Is he to the..
FRANK: I don't know where this is in relation to that. Well, Henry, any
dates for your boat to be heading that way?
HENRY SMITH: I'll be out of town the next week, this coming week. After
that if we get a nice day, and see if we can get together and we'll go.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: O.K. Does anybody...
SPEAKER: What does it cost for a plane to go over?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I don't really know. Well, let me check and see if there
is any interest to go over there in the next week. Maybe.. but if
nothing works out this next week for flying, maybe we can set up something
the following week before we meet again, OK?
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Would that following week be after Columbus Day, or would
that be before?
HENRY SMITH: That would be after Columbus Day, not this coming Monday,
but the following Monday. I know Columbus Day, that's your big pumpkin
day.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: When are you going, right through Columbus Day?
HENRY SMITH: I'll be back that Sunday before Columbus Day, at least,
that's the latest.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Well, if it turns out to be exceptionally warm or nice
that Sunday, and you want to go...
HENRY SMITH: If I'm back, fine.
FRANK: Just call and we'll see what we can do.
3. JUDITH TERRY, TOWN CLERK re: Narrow River dredge spoil storage on
Town property.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK, the next is some action taken by the Town Board and
it appears that the spoil site for the Narrow River dredge spoil would be
on Town property. This is going to be on the Town Board's October I0th
agenda for discussion and a resolution of the Trustees..
HENRY SMITH: This is just temporary, Frank
FRANK: Yes
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Still it would have to go through the Town Board, though.
Frank-Kujawski: So we still have to get membership of the Town Board's
liabilities, I guess. I don't know where we'll be on that application.
After %onight, we'll see.
4. JQhn O'Hagen re: Application for dock on Corey Creek.
FRANK KUJAWSKI, JR.: It's a... basically, what he is saying is that he is
waiting for word from the Corey Creek Association and trying to get
permission to use this area, so there is nothing much we can do with it
until we get that. Mr. Vail would be next,...maybe just let me do 6 &
7 first, Mr. Vail, then you can get the floor.
6. En Consultants re: extension of permit #432, Elizabeth Yaro.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: This permit expired or will expire in December...how the
Board feels about it, I don't see any reason why ....
HENRY SMITH: I think the reason why she is having a problem, I'm not sure
on this, are the permits,or financing or what. I don't know but ....
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK
HENRY SMITH: I know there is a valid reason. Historically, we have given
permit extensions in the past.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK, then a motion would be in order, unless someone sees
a problem with this.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Itll make a motion to grant her an extension..6 months..
FRANK KUJAWSKI, Henry will second that.. Ail in favor...
HENRY SMITH: Is that for six months?
JOHN B~R~EMEYER: Actually, we have to give them one-year extensions.
HENRY SMITH: That's what I thought.
After a discussion on lengLh of extensions among the Board Members:
ALBERT KRUPSKI: I make a motion to rescind my motion. I move to a
one-year extension .... try to keep it consistent, at least.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Would someone like to second Albert's motion?
HENRY SMITH: I'll second that.
ALL IN FAVOR
JOHN BREDEMEYER: I move to grant a one-year extension, as per usual.
HENRY SMITH: Second the motion.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: All in favor..
Ail ayes.
7o Toni DeMeo on behalf of Fleet's Neck Property Assn. re: bulkhead at
end of Pequash
FRANK KUJAWSKI: The last letter is from Toni DeMeo who is the president
of Fleet's Neck Property Owners Assn., voicing they've gone around and
they don't feel that the bulkhead is in the best interest of that area,
and they wanted to let us know before this comes up tonight. I think
we'll enter this letter in as part of the business when the hearing opens
up. OK, Mr. Vail..
Mr. Vail explained his shore front erosion problem, also spoke about an
application years ago for a retaining wall. He said he had lived on the
creek for forty years and was familiar with what was happening there.
Since the application, he has lost as much as six or seven feet... He
asked for some procedure to stop the erosion. He wanted to know what
could be done so he doesn't lose more property without going through a
"shamefaced" procedure that he had been through before.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK,... Anybody have any co~¢m]ents?
HENRY SMITH: I think we made a suggestion at the time...I know well what
Mr. Vail is talking about and what he wanted to do, and apparently,
suggestions that we made at that time did not work, so I think, possibly
on our next field inspection...I think Mr. Vail should re-apply.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Maybe we can re-activate the existing application.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Does anyone know if that application still exists? Would
you be interested, Mr. Vail, in rethinking the retaining wall again if we
go down and take a look to see if that's appropriate?
MR. VAIL: I'd be very muCh interested in your coming down and suggesting
what I can do Without going through all that red tape.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: How about October 17 .... it's a Tuesday, two weeks from
this coming Tuesday?
MR. VAIL: What time would that be?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: We could put you on top of the list, 1:00 o'clock if
you'd like.
MR. VAIL: That would be all right.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK, I think that's the best we can do, take a look again
at what you're talking about and maybe put that application back to work
again.
IV. ASSESSMENTS:
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK, I guess we have a few moments here, before 7:30 when
our hearings begin. We have some assessments ....
ALBERT KRUPSKI: You want me to do the first one?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: If you would like to, go ahead.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: I went down to Cusumano's and looked at it and it doesn't
seem like there will be any problem. I am not sure where the channel is
there and if it's .... environmentally, it's not going to have any impact.
The only impact, possibly, could be the channel, maybe we could...Don, do
you know where the channel is there? ...Eugenes's Creek
DON DZENKOWSKI: On the other side.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: OK, I thought it was, but I wasn't positive.., it's quite
a way branched off there.
DON DZENKOWSKI: That's why I've got to go out, I built that little
platform for there earlier this year.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: OK, I"LL make a motion to give it a Neg Dec, then for
Vera Cusumano.
JOHN BEDNOSKI: Second
FRANK KUJAWSKI: We had a motion by Albert to give it a negative
declaration and it was seconded by John Bednoski. Any other comments from
the Board on the motion? All in favor
All ayes.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Number two is En Consultants in behalf of Gus Wade for a
fixed dock, a ramp and a float on East Creek in Cutchogue. We have had
this application for several months now. We've been awaiting arrival of a
legal survey which we have. Would any of the Board members like to take a
look at this?
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: Frank, we haven't seen that, yet.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: You have not seen that..have you inspected this?
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: We tabled it until we found out where it was, etc, etc.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Want to come up and take a look?
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: Yeah, we've been there before, but ....
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I'd like to make a motion to give this a negative
declaration.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: I'll second that.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: That was seconded by Jay, all in favor..
All Ayes!
Frank Kujawski: Number three is En Consultants in behalf of A1 Koke,
Kimberley La., maintenance dredge 1200' x 60' channel to a depth of 6'
below MLW in Jockey Creek, approximately at the spur at the end of Pine
Neck Road. Approximately 6500 cubic yards of spoil to be removed and
placed on beach for nourishment of the island to the east, and we don't
give 10-year maintenance dredging permits, but that is also part of the
application. I should let the Board know we did receive a copy from the
DEC that this application is incomplete for their review, and they are
interested in following a full SEQRA procedure on this with a designation
of lead agency and so on. They have a lot of questions. This will let you
know what some of their questions are. They want to know the method of
dredging, they want to know whether a discharge pipe or a diffuser is
going to be used, how is this equipment going to get into the area? They
said the proposed project is in a critical environmental and wildlife area
and plants will need to be meticulous.~.They also want to know what kind
of proof could establish that this was originally dredged to six feet
BMLW. I had a question,myself, about that. I'm just wondering what the
Board's feeling about this project is.
HENRY SMITH: Well, the Board was trying to get the County to do it,to
take the pressure off the public launching ramp at Founders Landing and
put it on to Pine Neck. As I remember, we contacted the County and they
had no permit application, I mean no current application for it to do
this. It was then decided that in order to speed up the process, Mr. Koke
and his neighbors were going to go ahead and get the permit and who was
going to dO it, was going to be decided at the end, whether the County was
going to do it or was going to have to be funded through the Town or
probably by the neighbors, etc.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I don't think the County was interested in this as long
as it was going to be applied for by the homeowners.
HENRY SMITH: Well, they really didn't care who got the permit, as long as
they got the permit.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I thought they objected, originally when they thought a
permit was applied for, isn't that correct, Joan? John Guldi objected to
the fact that homeowners were putting in for it, originally, and we said,
OK, they won't and you should proceed ahead, and I think he did turn in a
permit application. Now this could be confusing it, but I think the
information that has been given him now, is that the homeowners are not
willing to wait, and therefore, they're going to assume the responsibility,
not the County.
HENRY SMITH: OKt That very well could be, but that's the impression I was
under, and I know, at the time, the homeowners were willing to split part
of cost with the Town on getting this done. I know one of the reasons
they wanted ... the Town was interested, was to build up that point that
was washed out in that last storm. Then you told me, I guess it was last
week, that the County no more is going to rebuild islands that were washed
away .....
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I don't think it was me.
HENRY SMITH: Yeah,... well, this was at the spoil site.
where it stands now.
Well, that's
FRANK KUJAWSKI: You don't know if A1 Koke and Guldi have had any
conversations, do you?
HENRY SMITH: I don,t know. A1 Koke, as far as I know, turned it all over
to Roy Haje. Roy Haje was handling it and he said he couldn't proceed
with the application until they got a letter of permission from
Mrs. Hodskin for a spoil site, which the Trustees sent a letter to Mrs.
Hodskinrequesting that her property be Used as a spoil site. She had a
few questions that she wanted answered, but she did give permission. As
far as the,you know, the depths, I think there is enough of the old
channel left there that accurate depths could be made off of it. There are
only two places that are filling in bad.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Well, 6500 cubic yards is alot.
HENRY SMITH: Personally, I feel it could be cut down, if it had to.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Is it Town bottom?
HENRY SMITH: It's all Town bottom, the whole creek is Town bottom.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I'm just wondering if we should encourage a communication
between Koke and Guldi to possibly come in...let him follow the.. if Guldi
will pick up the cost of this project. The Town is not going to come up
with the money,that's for sure. You know that. To proceed ahead with the
permit on this large a project where the DEC has the kind of interest, it
would have to be positive dec. and that's going to incur a lot of
expenses immediately on part of the homeowners in that area...and time.
It seems if it were cut down to just get those bad spots by the
County,they could see their way to get in there, either before the winter
or early spring. Sounds like it might solve more problems.
HENRY SMITH: I'm going to see Mr. Koke and I'll tell him to get in touch
with Mr. Haje and Mr. Guldi and see if they can't...
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Because, I think the homeowners here, didn't they start
this on their oWn because at the time, it was too late for John Guldi to
make an application, as I recall.
HENRY SMITH: There was some problem in there.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: It may have been the time they were looking to have a
full environmental review on all county projects, and I think he may have
reached the saturation point. I had Jay Tansky and Chris Smith from Sea
Grant down and we were discussing the Town Jockey complex. They certainly
said removal of course material from the mouth is no problem, whatsoever.
Chris Smith did say he had some thoughts along my lines, that is if that
drainage project along Hobart is built, he was going to send out some
materials with respect to rejuvenating the marshland down below the marsh
pond system. He has some technical information where they use the water
hose and they blew out the fine silting material over shell bed and old
sand and then restored the bottom. I said it would be nice if we could
relay this soft slurpy stuff out and reconstruct the bottom with the hard
material.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Obviously, it takes money.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Basically, they said it sounds good and will give us
information on it, but they don't have enough money in that project to
fund anything below the outfall.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I make a motion to table the assessment of this project
until such time as Trustee Smith contacts Mr. Koke and encourages a
meeting between him, Mr. Haje and Mr. Guldi.
HENRY SMITH: It was my impression that the reason the homeowners went
ahead to acquire this permit is because at this time, Mr. Haje..er Mr.
Guldi said he doesn't care whose permit he works on as long as he had a
permit.
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
JOHN BEDNOSKI:
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
All Ayes
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
Is there a second to the motion to table?
I'll second that.
All in favor
I think we should recess our meeting for our hearings.
TOM SAMUELS: Mr. Kujawski, is there any possibility you could do that
Maddams? Mr. Haje could not be here tonight and asked if I could come on
his behalf in regard to Item $6.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I guess we are flexible enough. OK, this is $6, En
Consultants on behalf of Janet Maddams for a bulkhead that the Board
looked at the other day with the 18 inches. We did have some questions
about this. If I could just, to speed things up, the Board felt that the
major portions of the bulkhead were structurally in good shape, but the
pilings were having a problem. One of the things we wanted to know about
was whether or not new pilings would solve some of the problems without
going through a major construction and moving out another 18 inches.
MIKE MOONEY: The problem is that the sheathing is about 73%
deterioratedto the point where it's ..
FRANK KUJAWSKI: We didn't notice that.
MIKE MOONEY: That bulkhead has been there a great number of years. It
appears fairly good. They have been filling it every year, filling the
holes., you might have seen..
HENRY SMITH: We saw some spots where it was leaking and one spot without
the piling seems to be leaning forward somewhat.
TOM SAMUELS: Once you see Sheathing on a bulkhead start to go on one part
of it, you can almost be certain that the rest of it is in similar
condition. It is very rare for one part of a bulkhead to fail. Mrs.
Maddams told me she applied for a permit 2 years ago, one of the
conditions was to remove the structure. At that time, it was economically
very difficult for her and it still is. She asked me if she had a chance
if she re-applied and I said that in some instances the Trustees would go
along with the 18 inches. Apparently, the DEC has already done so. I
think that this particular case might be one you might consider for the 18
inches. It's certainly not going to protrude out any further than the
bridge, by any stretch of the imagination. The house is close, it's one of
those situations where it's difficult to retain the fill around the
foundation to the house if you take out the structure.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: How would you get in there and work. You have to go from
a barge?
TOM SAMUELS: Yeah, part of it, barge, you can get some small track loader
with a boom on it for raising piles. Some parts of it, the return, of
course, on the the launching ramp on side of the house, that has to be
removed in total because the 18 inches would intrude on the neighbor's
property. Over there can be excavated fairly easily and there's some room
to put the fill. The part of the house that is on the canal is a little
more difficult.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: One of the problems the Board has is that there is a nice
lush marsh in front of it.
TOM SAMUELS: I would have no problem with the condition that that part of
the marsh which is damaged or destroyed be recreated. It should be fairly
easy to do.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I think you probably guessed the sentiments of the
Board, although we did notice that this was a highly unusual situation,
the location of the house. What's the feeling up here?
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Because of the unusual circumstances, I wouldn't have a
problem with it, go with the 18 inches.
HENRY SMITH: It's got to be done. There's no doubt about that. They are
willing to regrate any marsh that they destroy in that area, that would
satisfy me.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Would someone like to make a motion?
HENRY SMITH: I'll make the motion that we negative dec this.
JOHN BEDNOSKI:
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALL AYES.
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALBERT KRUPSKI:
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALL AYES.
I'll second it.
Ail in favor...
I make a motion to recess the meeting for hearings.
So moved.
I'll second that. All in favor...
V. HEARINGS:
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS FOR
PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF THE TOWNOF SOUTHOLD. I HAVE AN
AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION FROM THE SUFFOLK TIMES AND AN AFFIDAVIT OF
PUBLICATION FROM THE LONG ISLAND TRAVELER WATCHMAN. PERTINENT
CORRESPONDENCE MAY BE READ PRIOR TO ASKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
7:45 PM FRANK KUJAWSKI: The first hearing~is in the matter of
the application of En Consultants for Robert Boger to construct a
retaining wall, two 5'x 20' floats, maintenance dredge area 10'x 40' to
4'depth and this property is located on Willow Point-Road. The CAC
comments were disapproval of this, no reason to construct, floating docks
would create navigational problems, no need for dredging. We did make
some adjustments to this permit last time. Just wondering if those notes
are in here. We did cut this back.
HENRY SMITH: I think it even says in it it's down to two floats instead
of...
ALBERT KRUPSKI: It would cut down the dredging, the bulkheading and the
floats, cut down everything. Mr. Boger was here ....
FRANK KUJAWSKI: A retaining wall, OK. Be back from high water, right.
Roy Haje to submit new sketch of project. Remove retaining wall, shorten
float,dredge 40, yeah, to 4', for 40'
ALBERT KRUPSKI: What's on the Public Hearing? Is that accurate?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: No, that was on the application, what's on the Public
Hearing is a smaller project with only dredging where the floats were
going to go. We were supposed to get a new sketch. We did not receive a
new sketch, but I think we should move ahead with the hearing, anyway, and
if people want to wait for the new sketch we can t~hle the hearing when
it's over. So, keeping that in mind, is there anyone here to speak in
favor of this application? In opposition to this application?
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: I'll just say the same co~m~ents,you know, particularly
about the retaining'wall, bulkhead, whatever he wants to call it there.
You know, there's .. I don't know if there's a clear indication that
that's required. It's a very narrow creek, well protected, and the
erosion that's occurring might be might be occurring from his own land,
the runoff ....
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Oh, I'm sorry. I do have that new information. The
number of additional floats has been reduced by to one float, one existing
and one proposed, that's 5'x12' to be kept against the westerly side of
the bulkhead, dredging will occur approximately 20' out from the bulkhead
at 4', 35 cubic yards of spoil.
HENRY SMITE: Where's that going, Frank?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: The material used will be less so that it will be a
retaining wall, be located along the eroded bluff to prevent further loss
of trees and other plants. So right there, at the site.
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: I just want to say..You know where that big tree
there...is it going to be seaward of the tree?
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Does he have a sketch there?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: For a revised work plan showing these changes is
attached...want to take a look?
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: I'll give it a try, but...
FRANK KUJAWSKI: This area, only area right here and he's showing spoil, I
think, to put behind a retaining wall.
HENRY SMITH: So he wants to...that's a bulkhead, really, not a retaining
wall, it's out into the water.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: One section we were allowing him to excavate to it, for
the purpose of the float and the boat to minimize, originally the whole
stretch was going ....
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Yeah, we cut it down to this. You could add it to this
existing bulkhead ....
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: He's only b~lkheading in front of the float?
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Right. In other words we minimized, .... we felt we were
bringing it back to allow the boat to come closer, it wouldn't impede
navigation, because he, basically, came back and said the depths weren't
that critical. He just really wanted to be able keep his boat there.
HE~RY SMITH: So the bulkhead is only in front of of where the boat is?
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Exactly.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: And he said that would be sufficient for him? I think,
part of the spoil, I think we talked to him about what you mentioned about
the erosion being there ..... Hopefully, that soil will be used to slow that
water.
HENRY SMITH: Historically, when this development was made and this
basically, a man-made canal in there, and it was to be done the way it is
now. Most of the neighbors..all of the neighbors are bulkheaded except
him, that are living there presently.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: That doesn't make it right. HENRY SMITH: No, but
at the time, it was the accepted way of doing it, and...
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: There's a mariner right down a little bit further.
HENRY SMITH: Correct.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Well, that's where the transition here was...neighbor,
bulkheaded. He has bulkhead, if you will, going to retaining wall, going
to none, so we figure we created a transition zone.
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: That's if we compromise.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I think it is, too. There were no comments, I guess,
from the audience, Board? Any more information .... we apparently do have
all the information we requested. Seeing no one else I'll move to close
this hearing.
JOHN BEDNOSKI: Second.
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALL AYES
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALBERT KRUPSKI:
JOHN BEDNOSKI:
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALL AYES.
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
Ail in favor?
The Board want to do something with this, or?
I make a motion to approve this application.
Second.
All in favor?
OK, Next application is, the next hearing is in the
matter of the application of John Geideman on behalf of Crescent Beach
Condominium Association to install 8 pilings and add a splash board to a
dock in a piling area . This is at the foot of Maple Lane, CAC approved
this project. Is there anyone here to speak in favor of this project?
Opposition to this project? Seeing no one, does anyone on the Board have
I"ll make a motion to close this hearing.
SECOND
any comments?
ALBERT KRUPSKI:
ALL AYES
PRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALBERT KRUPSKI:
ALL AYES.
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
I'll make a motion for approval of this application.
SECOND
The next hearing is from En Consultants on behalf of
Edward Fergus to construct a 4'x 20' fixed dock, 4'x 16' ramp, two 6'x 16'
floats and this property was located at the right-of way at the end of
North Bayview Dr. We had requested a better map and some adjustments. We
did get such a map from Mr. Haje. It..we've been there several times. We
just weren't sure which area of the property was actually going to have
the dock. Has everyone seen this map? If not, I'll pass it down. Is
there anyone else in the audience that would like to comment in favor of
this application? In opposition to this application~ Anyone on the Board
have any comments? I think this clears it up quite a bit. I make a motion
to close the hearing.
HENRY SMITH: Second.
All in favor.
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALL AYES.
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALBERT KRUPSKI:
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALL AYES.
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
I make a motion to approve the application.
Second.
All in favor.
Next is in the matter of application of Proper T Services
on behalf of Richard A. Hall to construct a single family dwelling, a
walkway 4' x'25' from the retaining wall over the rocks, a 4' x 7' stairs
for access to the beach. This is on Kimberly Lane in Southold. There
doesn't seem to be any major problem. One note was that if the swimming
pool was constructed, it should have its own dry well for back washing and
be located as far from the wetlands as possible. That's for future. Does
anyone in the audience have any co~ut,ents in favor of this application?
OK, is there anyone here to speak in opposition of this application? I
make a motion to close the hearing.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: SECOND.
ALL AYES.
JOHN BEDNOSKI: Move to approve.
HENRY SMITH: SECOND.
ALL AYES.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Everyone approved both motions. Next is in the matter of
the application of James V. Righter on behalf of Mrs. W. G. Rafferty in
Fishers Island to renovate an existing garage apartment and construct a
400 sq. ft. addition on the structure on property located on Middle Farms
Pond, Fishers Island. We have been there several times. I think most of
the Board has seen this. Is there anyone in the audience to co~L~,ent in
favor or opposition to this application?
Frank, I don't know if we said it last month or not, but
would be a very indicative thing to put between
and the water. There is a slope there that's fairly
JO~N HOLZAPFEL:
hay bales there
theconstruction
dramatic.
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
JO~N HOLZAPFEL:
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALBERT KRUPSKI:
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
Right.
Just as a general precaution.
OK
Was there any mention of the septic system?
I believe it was discussed there and it's upland from
that site. Is it not on the other side?
JOHN BREDEMEYER: I think last meeting we discussed it where they told us
it was going to be on the other side.
HENRY SMITH: Toward the road...
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Toward the road, right, near the driveway.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK, I make a motion to close the hearing.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Second
FRANK KUJAWSKI: All in favor
ALL AYES
HENRY SMITH: I make a motion to approve with the stipulation of hay bales.
JOHN BEDNOSKI: Second
ALL AYES
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Next is in the matter of the application of John Geideman
on behalf of the Cutchogue/New Suffolk Park District to construct an 80'
bulkhead with a lQ' return on property located at the foot of Pequash
Ave. The Board was at this site and as mentioned earlier at this meeting,
we do have a letter from the Fleets Neck Property Owners Association which
I'll read at this time. I'd like it entered into the record of the
hearing with reference to the proposed bulkhead of the beach, fronting the
New Suffolk Park District Park adjacent to and west of Pequash Avenue. The
Fleet's Neck Property Owners Association does not feel a bulkhead at this
location is required. In its place, it is recommended that additional
plants be placed in a few areas on the bank to help retard any possible
erosion. Let's hope every effort will be made to keep the Park beach in
its natural state as much as possible. This was also disapproved by the
CAC because of need. They suggested stabilizing the bluff which, I think,
echoes the Fleet's Neck Association comments. Is there anyone here to
speak in favor of this application?
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: Frank, are they still putting the application forward?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Yes..well it hasn't been withdrawn. Mr. Geideman met with
us. Does anyone speak in opposition to this application? You'll have to
state your name.
STEWART DUBAN,.. Fleet's Neck Property Owners Ass'n. In addition to the
letter that was submitted, and you read, we also feel that the cost of
doing this, which would be turned over to the Park District, and
eventually would come back as taxes to the residents to the area, has to
be considered.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Right, thank you. Just as a point of information, we
were discussing, I think, down there, the idea of road drains, etc. to
prevent the erosion on the beach, and today we submitted four and added
Pequash, the end of Pequash as the fifth project to go...let's see, that
went to the DEC, did it not, which proposed kind of a unique drainage
system, not as elaborate as occurring in other areas, but a drain system
using an asphalt burm at the end of the roadway, funneling it into several
large leeching pools under the roadway. So, I added this as a fifth area.
SPEAKER: ...This is down property you're speaking of..
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Right..yes, yes..OK
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: Frank, can I just ask about that? You wrote to DEC?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: No, the Town of Southold has made application. The DEC,
I think, has suggested this method. I just saw this today. Maybe you'd
like to take a look at it.
I still don't understand. You said you wrote to DEC
places.
No, we're sending them on to the DEC as part of an
JOHN HOLZAPFEL:
about these five
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
application, ok.
JOHN HOLZAPFEL:
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
under waivers, I
included, but it
comments?
ALBERT KRUPSKI:
As part of a Town application..?
As a Town project, yes. This will be coming up later on
think, but in the original application, Pequash wasn't
is going to be now. Anyone on the Board have any
You know it might be better if we...because of all the
concerns that have been raised on our two inspections, that we table this
application and try get the Fleet's Neck Property Owners Association and
Cutchogue/New Suffolk Park District together and try to work something out
that .... you know, it's a community project down there..community should be
for it.
JOHN BREDEF~YER: Looks like a mistake in the making to me. I just...I
have my reservations.
HENRY SMITH: I think we ought to just ....
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I was...disapproving it, so that it was done with, because
I think there is a better way to do it. That method has already been
used.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: I think we should just let it die.
HENRY SMITH: We let too many things hanging when we... this kills
it...it's ..they want to know...
SPEA~RR: Let's go for a compromise because I didn't think the Board would
be looking that strongly against it, but that's fine.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: That's not going to serve anybody. I think that well
taken it for this one.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK , unless there are any other comments, I make a motion
to close the hearing on this.
HENRY SMITH: Second.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: All in favor.
ALL AYES
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I'll make a motion to deny this permit.
~LBERT KRUPSKI: Without prejudice, for reasons we should still...
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Well, for reasons suggested by various groups, the CAC,
the Fleet's Neck Property Owners Association, and the Trustees, that the
bluff appears to be fairly stabilized now and a few plantings done
appropriately should really stabilize it.
HENRY SMITH: Second.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: All in favor.
ALL AYES
FRANK KUJAWSKI: The next application is in the matter of Proper T
Services on behalf of Dr. Francisco Sciotto to construct a 4' x 16'
walkway, 4' x' 16' hinged ramp, two 6' x 20' floating docks on ROW off
North Bayview Road. The CAC did approve this project. Is there anyone
here to speak in...for this project?
JIM FITZGERALD FOR THE Doctor:
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK
HENRY SMITH: Who owns the ROW, Mr. Fitzgerald?
JIM FITZGERALD: It's the ROW to his house .... the applicant's ROW.
HENRY SMITH: OK, I just misunderstood. I thought it was like a community
with a ROW piece of property.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Is the boat we saw down there be the same one that's
going to go off the dock or .... ?
JIM FITZGERALD: I haven't been down there recently, I don't know.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: I know he has two boats, he has a boat and his son has a
boat, a very big boat that's why he need a big dock. In a sense they're
big outboards or inboards or whatever..
JIM FITZGERALD: There's a fair sized inboard there, something like a 22',
you know, run-about type. Both boats add up to 56 feet in length, so you
add them up..
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Right,ok, the only concern I had, seeing it, was for
navigation around them, the extent of the intrusion into that small spur.
JIM FITZGERALD: That's a dead end channel there.
JOHN BREDE~EYER: I know it is, my only concern is that he would be aware
of it, that we would still want a right to navigation.
JIM FITZGERALD: Yes, yes, that's why I'm setting it in as close to shore
as possible without being able to use...
JOHN BREDEMEYER: OK, it was just our only concern~that we had in looking
at it, Frank and I going down to look at it a second time that ....
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Any other comments from the audience? I think the Board
probably has made their comments. I'll make a motion to close the hearing.
HENRY SMITH: Second
FRANK KUJAWSKI: All in favor..
ALL AYES
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Move to approve.
HENRY SMITH: Second.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: All in favor..
ALL AYES
FRANK KUJAWSKI: The next for Nicholas Theoharides from En Consultants to
construct and, I think the advertised description of this project has been
changed. It is a 4' x 70' catwalk, a 4' x 16' ramp, 6' x 16' float,
dredge the area of the float, rather than dredge the navigation area and
channel has been eliminated. The area of the float would be the 3' BMLW.
This property is located at 800 Maple Avenue, Southold, NY. This has been
around awhile and I should say, at the start, Jay, maybe you would like to
make some comments about the application and some new infoimation?
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Yeah, with respect to this application, I met with two
members of Sea Grant with respect to a proposed water marsh treatment
system that's going to be installed upgrading of this on Hobart Avenue,
and the concern being that since the Trustees have already gone on record
with a ban prior to this project, excuse me, after this project had gotten
to this stage not permitting additional small projects without reviewing
it in the context of water quality. I was concerned that ..that this be
looked at in the same light and both Chris Smith and Jay Tanski agreed to
take a look at it on face value I described to them .. and the
project..they really didn't see a problem...they would take the time to
look at the application within the next month so they would get it back to
us with their co~L,ents that they would give on it. That's basically what
we have come to. I also opened the line of communication as far as the
possible aspect of this marsh treatment system as far as getting
information, sharing information, etc.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Since this application has been rather controversial and
back and forth around the board, I think any additional information,
professional information like this would really complete the record. So,
if there are any comments from the audience, we like to add that to the
record right now or the Board, and at the conclusion, would like to table
this hearing and reopen it next month to introduce this final information
to it and then make a decision in October. So, are there any comments
from the public either in favor of or in opposition to this application?
MIKE MOONEY, North Fork Waterfront Contractors: I'm glad you people are
taking such an interest in this project. Hopefully, we can get this thing
resolved. It would be a nice New Year's present for this guy to have,
with a year and a half now in process. I hope the Board takes this
consideration into their future projects that they get and try to drag out
some of these other projects for a year and a half. I'm sure that the
gentleman will appreciate that the final conclusion is that if this is the
last piece, we go along with everything that had to be done, made our
changes. Hopefully, this will be the last one. Thank you.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Thank you, Mr. Mooney. Just want you to know the Board,
also has been very flexible and gone along with all the changes to this
project, too. Are there any other comm'ents?
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: Frank, I think it's the upland part of it that I brought
up month after month, after month. If you remember the layout of that
land, there is a gigantic funnel that takes all the water off his nice
green grass and runs in right in to that one place where the dock is going
to be. You know, if something could be done to alleviate some of that run
off, it might be something you could include on the application.
HENRY SMITH: I don't think so, cause that would go upland and that would
be like holding a club over the guy's head. I don't think we can do
anything with that.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Would you make a suggestion?
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: I can also disagree, we can do something. When I talked
to the Town Attorney, he was fairly clear that a person is responsible,
particularly for water going into creeks or bays. That's one where its
clearly defined and that a person is responsible for that water., run off
saltwater run off,...point source of pollution of going into the bay.
do think you have a responsibility, whether you follow up on it or not.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I'm not disagreeing with that.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: The rains got to go somewhere...maybe if it were a
direct action on his part in as far as having graded it or did some
activity with the lawn, but I don't see as a principle that you can hold a
man accountable for an act of God. If he did something there to grade it
purposely down there, but I thir~ this is the second or third landowner in
the last few years~ I'm sure a few kind words, a little sugar, would help
here, but I think if we clobber the guy ....
JOHN HOLZAPFEL: OH yeah, I'm not saying, I'm just saying that as a
reco~t,~endation.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Yeah, yeah...
SPEAKERS: Unclear:
JOHN BREDEMEYER: I would say after a year and a half waiting for a
permit, this one has about a snowball's chance in hell of coming through,
but..
HENRY SMITH: ..Putting an addition on his house, I think it was two years
ago, and one of the things that was that he had to install dry wells for
his roof run off and for his immediate landscape area of his addition to
contain his roof run off in the dry wells, so that part of it is done. So
I think now it is minimal what's running off down there other than what
possibly could be coming down that road which is a co~£m%unity road,etc.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: We could ask, it couldn't hurt.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: We put similar conditions on other permits.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: On dock permits?
HENRY SMITH: No, not dock permits.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: On bulkheads, sure.
HENRY SMITH: On grading permits and .... houses and things like that for
road run off. I know myself, when I put my...I had to put a dry well in.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: I can't...it's been a while, I don't remember the exact
layout of it, lay of the land..
HENRY SMITH: I think this is a little extreme, at this point to a throw
.... we put this guy back and forth through the wringer and all of a sudden
now we're going to shoot his foot off with this..
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Let's just leave it as a suggestion as Frank, I think,
had made the suggestion ...
FRANK KUJAWSKI: We have a couple weeks to think about it. Maybe each of
us, probably wants to go back and take another look at it, take another
look, and come up with a suggestion. In the meantime, hopefully, get some
information to digest, also. Any other co~m~ents? I would make a motion
to table this hearing until our October meeting.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Second
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Would this be...all in favor.
HENRY SMITH: Will this be finished at that time, or would it have the
possibility of being tabled for another month?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Well, we'd like to get those comments from Chris Smith.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: I was assured we'd get them without any problem. I'll
have them there.
HENRY SMITH: I'll go along with it if it is acted on. That would be the
last leg.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Well, it's not in our hands, reallyt
HENRY SMITH: Well, it's not in our hands, but accepting information at
this late date, I think a thirty day ....
JOHN BBEDEMEYER: It is not unreasonable since we...it's more or less an
after thought.
HENRY SMITH: Right
JOHN BREDEMEYER: Frankly, I have every assurance. He would have gotten
to us today, but it was just last Monday and whatever, and I didn't feel
it was appropriate to , you know, to force them to take a hurried look at
it.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I have a motion to table, and a second. Ail in favor of
a t~hling. Henry?
HENRY SMITH: I just want to be assured ....
FRANK KUJAWSKI: You can be in opposition to it.
HENRY SMITH: That there's going to be a...I'm in opposition to it.
Three Ayes, one Nay
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK, Jay?
JOHN BHR~EMEYER: I'm in favor of the tabling.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Do we have time to advertise?
HENRY SMITH: Advertise for what?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Public hearing... The meeting is on the 17th and we have
to advertise twice, I guess we have to get two editions of the paper...two
weeks?
JOAN SCHNEIDER: NO, just one, ten days.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Ten days, OK, good, we shouldn't have any problem.
The next hearing is in the application of Francis Weisent to register
retaining wall and stairs constructed on property located on Naugles
Drive, Mattituck. This goes back a ways and this is actually sort of a
grandfather permit, although the structure is not that old. It's after
the fact and there was a violation, I think, originally issued here some
time back. Is there anyone from the audience that has any comments in
regard to this application? Anyone on the Board have anything to add?
HENRY SMITH: Are we just going to Grandfather this or they going to have
to...
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I think rather than Grandfather it, I think we'll...
HENRY SMITH: ...Pay the usual fees and things of that sort?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Certainly.
HENRY SMITH: OK
FRANK KUJAWSKI: OK, I make a motion to close the hearing.
HENRY SMITH: Second
All in favor.
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
ALL AYES
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
JOHN BEDNOSKI: Second.
ALL AYES
FRANK KUJAWSKI:
I make a motion to approve.
Last hearing is in the matter of the application of
Harbor Marine Construction on behalf of Luis Portal to construct a 4' x
20' dock, 4'x 10' ramD, and 6'x 18' floating dock to form a T section.
This property is located on Jockey Creek Dr. Southold. We did have some
information to add to the record prior to the hearing from the adjacent
property owner across the way of Ulrich Marine.
SPEAKER: That'll be Southold Marine..
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Southold Marine, excuse me...I'm dating myself. Is there
anyone to speak for this application?
Yes, my name is Wade Hulse, Harbor Marine Construction representing Luis
Portal. Since the last time we met, we have since revised our
application. We would be in agreement with that, I think, a floating dock
would work fine under normal circumstances. But in this particular
circumstances, I'm afraid that we've got a navigational problem. We've
done some soundings in the area, right in front of the property and about
10' out, there was about one foot of water. It seems that the channel is
on the west end of the canal. If we were to go approximately 10' out with
a ramp from the shore line high water mark, we went with a 6' float, and
then we had a 6' boat on the out side of that, that would limit us to
approximately 20'on the boat on the adjacent shore on that dock. You have
informed us that the Trustees' position that they could actually make the
owner of the adjacent property produce the size of those docks. In the
meantime, we've spoken to Rick Rizzi, the owner of this marine facility,
and he mentioned to us, in fact, that he has a permit saying that it is to
be this length and that he has the actual deeded right to that property. I
think it was done from that .... from his property. In this circumstance,
agsin, I think we would have a problem with navigation. I have a couple
of pictures I'd like to show you just to refresh your memory on this.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I think ......... some of the soundings. What kind of
soundings did you get towards the east side of the property rather than in
the location that you had wanted the structure?
SPEAKER: They were on done the length of the propert¥o
FRANK KUJAWSKI: They were?
SPEAKER: Yeah, and the pictures were taken.
WADE HULSE: Here are the pictures then. This was from the shoreline
looking across the canal.
SPEAKER: And one adjacent homeowner .........
FRANK KUJAWSKI: The east, well, standing on the owners property left
hand side
ROBIN PEREZ: Looking at the creek, left hand side, right. He has a float
with a boat and we weren't there at low tide. We spoke to Rich of the
mariner and he said that it sits on the bottom most times and there's
limited access to the creek with his boat, and he's at a much wider area.
The picture will show from the marina, across to the property, that that
adjacent property owner is at a wider area.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Yes, That's why we were looking towards the left hand
side of the property which is actually quite a bit back further from the
marina.
ROBIN PEREZ: Right, there were pictures taken from the marina and the
property, showing across to the float...
HENRY SMITH: I think the only way we'll solve this problem without the
marina owner upset or the property owner upset is to give them permission
to maintenance dredge in front of the Portal lot, to get that float in
there, because historically, this whole area was made by dredging. All
that property where Portal isr and all the way up,basically, to the woods
where Frohnhoffer lives, that whole thing was dredged out and dumped on
that shoreline there.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Well, you don't think it was the original creek that went
up?
HENRY SMITH: No, Ulrich's whole yard .. that was dug up from nothing.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Could you take a look at this map for a moment and see if
this is the right angle. I don't know if the Board has seen this. You
might want to come up and take a look. This is the two extensions of the
marina here, the floating docks, ok, and this is the property of your
applicant. If you went over here even with permission to take a scoop
out of whatever for 3 feet of water, wouldn't that solve the problem?
WADE HULSE: Well, the problem that we have is the Army Corp..suggests,
unless otherwise circumstanced, that you should keep at least a minimum 15
feet side yard set back.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Oh, we do,too.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: But we could waive this under these circumstances.
HENRY SMITH: Again, I don't know how the adjacent property owner would
feel about that, as well.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I wouldn't either, but look at what you've got. You've
got 40' here, you've got 40' of the location to the right of his property
line. If you go over to this side, you're gaining quite a few feet
already. Here's the marina, here's the extension, between the two ....
you're going to this side
think it was done from that .... from his property. In this circumstance,
again, I think we would have a problem with navigation. I have a couple
of pictures I'd like to show you just to refresh your memory on this.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I think ......... some of the soundings. What kind of
soundings did you get towards the east side of the property rather than in
the location that you had wanted the structure?
SPEAKER: They were on done the length of the property.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: They were?
SPEAKER: Yeah, and the pictures were taken.
WADE HULSE: Here are the pictures then. This was from the shoreline
looking across the canal.
SPEAKER: And one adjacent homeowner .........
FRANK KUJAWSKI: The east, well, standing on the owners property left
hand side
ROBIN PEREZ: Looking at the creek, left hand side, right. He has a float
with a boat and we weren't there at low tide. We spoke to Rich of the
mariner and he said that it sits on the bottom most times and there's
limited access to the creek with his boat, and he's at a much wider area.
The picture will show from the marina, across to the property, that that
adjacent property owner is at a wider area.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Yes, That's why we were looking towards the left hand
side of the property which is actually quite a bit back further from the
marina.
ROBIN PEREZ: Right, there were pictures taken from the marina and the
property, showing across to the float...
HENRY SMITH: I think the only way we'll solve this problem without the
marina owner upset or the property owner upset is to give them permission
to maintenance dredge in front of the Portal lot, to get that float in
there, because historically, this whole area was made by dredging. All
that property where Portal is, and all the way up,basically, to the woods
where Frohnhoffer lives, that whole thing was dredged out and dumped on
that shoreline there.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: Well, you don't think it was the original creek that went
up?
HENRY SMITH: No, Ulrieh's whole yard .. that was dug up from nothing.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Could you take a look at this map for a moment and see if
this is the right angle. I don't know if the Board has seen this. You
might want to come up and take a look. This is the two extensions of the
marina here, the floating docks, ok, and this is the property of your
applicant. If you went over here even with permission to take a scoop
out of whatever for 3 feet of water, wouldn't that solve the problem?
WADE HULSE: Well, the problem that we have is the Army Corp..suggests,
unless otherwise circumstanced, that you should keep at least a minimum 15
feet side yard set back.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Oh, we do,too.
ALBERT KRUPSKI: But we could waive this under these circumstances.
HENRY SMITH: Again, I don't know how the adjacent property owner would
feel about that, as well.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I wouldn't either, but look at what you've got. You've
got 40' here, you've got 40' of the location to the right of his property
line. If you go over to this side, you're gaining quite a few feet
already. Here's the marina, here's the extension, between the two ....
you're going to this side
ROBIN PEREZ: If we could go back further as long as we're allowed to
dredge in the float area and...
HENRY SMITH: Right, that would be the sensible thing to do
SPEAKER: I think 20 feet would cover it. I think 16 feet would be a
closer number.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: With the dredging, it would let them get closer to the ..
ROBIN PEREZ: There's no sense in having the float float without being
able to get to the channel.
HENRY SMITH: There is a marina here, we're not worried about two
neighbors passing back and forth. It is a marina where it's a commercial
operation and it's got a heavy used channel, so the tighter we can get
that float to that bank, even if they have to dredge out, as long as they
can get to it. I think this is the most common sense way to approach this
thing.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Let the records show that that's the owner of Southold
Marine who had those co~u~,ents. OK, is there any other comments? Does this
application still include the retaining wall? No, ok, we're just talking
about the marine structure. I make a motion to close the hearing.
HENRY SMITH: Second
FRANK KUJAWSKI: All in favor.
ALL AYES
FRANK KUJAWSKI: I make a motion to approve the permit application with
the stipulation that the site of the dock be hopefully, 15' from the
neighboring property and the maximum of 20' out, hopefully less, and any
necessary maintenance dredging from the float area to the channel would be
permitted by the Board.
JOHN BREDEMEYER: What depth is the channel?
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Well, three feet.
HENRY SMITH: I'll second it.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: All in favor.
ALL AYES.
FRANK KUJAWSKI: Okay, Hope this works out to everyone's satisfaction.
We'll take a five minute recess now that we are done with the hearings and
go back to our meeting . We'll be back on assessments, number 4.
ASSESSMENTS:
4.En Consultants on behalf of James and Susan Trentalange, West Road,
Cutchogue for permit to construct 85' stone rip rap along shoreline of
Wickham Creek to Peconic Bay.
FRANK KUJAWSKI made a mOtion to declare this a neg dec, seconded by John
Bredemeyer. All in favor.
5. John Geideman on behalf of Robert Keith to construct 4' x 40~
fixed dock, 3' x 10' ramp, 6' x 20' float at property located at foot of
Willis Creek Drive, Mattituck. To move location to the north, location to
be specified by the Board. Dock reduced and turned float parallel to shore.
FRANK KUJAWSKI made a motion to declare a neg dec,seconded by John
Bredemeyer. All in favor.
VI. AMENDMENTS:
1. Proper T. Services on behalf of Ira Wechterman to amend permit
~3690 to reflect construction of 4' x 34' walkway, 4' x 12' ramp and 5' x
20' floating dock. Property is located at 630 Oak Street, cutchogue, NY.
Albert Krupski made a motion to approve, subject to his inspection,
seconded by Frank Kujawski. Ail in favor.
2. En Consultants on behalf of Bernard and CAarol Kiernan, North
Parish Dr., Southold, NY for amendment of permit ~483 to reflect
construction of 4' x 60' and 4' x 40' fixed seasonal structure, same
dimensions as previously approved. Henry Smith moved to approve, a second
by John Bednoski. All in favor.
3. Petersen's Marina, Naugles Road, Mattituck, NY to amend permit
9126 to reflect addition of railway and travel lift, alteration of dock
configuration. Henry Smith moved to approve with the condtion of concrete
ramp and drywell to be used as wash basin for paints, etc.. A1 Krupski
seconded this motion. All in favor
VII. WAIVERS.
1. Gerald Jacobson, 1915 Lake Drive, Southold, NY., a waiver for
construction of 3' x 45' walkway (existing structure), to Great Pond.
Frank Kujawski moved to approve, seconded by John Bredemeyer. All in
favor.
2. Walter Gaipa, Lakeview Terrace, East Marion, NY, a waiver to install
pool behind bulkhead on Marion Lake. A motion by Frank Kujawski to deny
waiver, seconded by A1 Krupski. Suggestion to include all work and apply
for permit. All in favor.
3. Diamond Scarduzio, a waiver to construct single family dwelling
behind bulkhead on Budd's Pond Road, Southold, NY. Frank Kujawski made a
motion to table, a second by John Bredemeyer. To re-inspect and get a
full permit.
4. Briarcliff Landscape on behalf of Dr. Frank Sciotto to construct
retaining wall over 75' from wetlands. Property is located on Goose
Creek, Southold, NY. John Bredemeyer made a motion to approve waiver,
seconded by Frank Kujawski. All in favor.
5. Lester Eisenberg, 925 Long Creek Dr., Southold, NY to reconstruct
existing single family dwelling at above-mentioned.location 81' from ~.
Frank Kujawski made a motion to grant waiver, with stipulation of hay
bales between construction and Long Creek. It was seconded by John
Bredemeyer. All in favor.
6. James McMahon, Southold Town Community Developnent on behalf of
Southold Town Highway Department for waiver to correct road drainage
problems at several road endings in Southold Town. Approved locations:
Nassau Point, Duck Pond, Ba!rview Road, Maratooka, and Sigsbee. Added to
list was Pequash Avenue. A1 Krupski moved to grant waiver,Henry SMith
seconded. All in favor.
7. En Consultants on behalf of Alan and Patricia Congdon to reconstruct
two timber jetties on property located on Peconic Bay Blvd, Laurel, NY.
Frank Kujawski made motion to approve waiver (in kind/in place
replacement). A1 Krupski seconded the motion. All in favor.
VIII. LEAD AGENCY:
J. Peconic Associates on behalf of Narrow River Marina to dredge
channel. John Bredemeyer made a motion to declare lead agency and send
co-ordination letter to all departments. Albert Krupski seconded the
motion. All in favor.
IX. GRANDFATHER PERMIT:
1. Mrs. Gerald Jacobson, 1915 Lake Drive, Southold, NY to register
existing 6' x 9' floating dock. Frank Kujawski made a motion to approve,
seconded by John Bredemeyer. All in favor.
X. MOORINGS:
Approval of October mooring renewals, motion made by Frank Kujawski,
a second by Henry Smith. All in favor
New Mooring Applications:
1. Michael Connolly 715 Liberty Lane, Southold, NY to moor a duck blind
in Cedar Beach. Henry Smith made a motion to approve with the stipulation
that an agreement is worked out between Grigonis and Cornell. Frank
Kujawski seconded the motion. All in favor.
2. Richard F. Greenfield, Cabot's Woods, Peconic, NY to moor 31' sail
boat in Gull Pond. Moved by Albert Krupski to approve, a second by John
Bednoski. All in favor.
J~lados, Clerk