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KENNETH L. EDWARDS
MARTIN H. SIDOR
GEORGE D. SOLOMON
JOSEPH L. TOWNSEND
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MAIliNG ADDRESS:
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
JERILYN B. WOODHOUSE
Chair
OFFICE WCATION:
Town Hall Annex
54375 State Route 25
(cor. Main Rd. & Youngs Ave.)
Southold, NY
Telephone: 631 765-1938
Fax: 631 765-3136
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MINUTES
Scoping Session
August 20,2007
4:30 p.m.
Present were:
Jerilyn B. Woodhouse, Chairperson
Kenneth L. Edwards, Member
Martin Sidor, Member
George D. Solomon, Member
Joseph Townsend, Member
Mark Terry, Senior Environmental Planner
Amy Thiel, Senior Planner
Anthony Trezza, Senior Planner
Bruno Semon, Senior Site Plan Reviewer
Carol Kalin, Secretary
Chairperson Woodhouse: Good evening. Tonight is our scoping meeting. The
purpose of this meeting is to receive input from the public, involved agencies, and
interested parties with respect to the draft Environmental Impact Statement (ElF) to be
prepared for The Heritage at Cutchogue. The Heritage at Cutchogue has a residential
site plan application pending before this Board. In review of this proposed action, the
Planning Board assumed Lead Agency and classified the project as a Type I action.
And, in review, found that the project could result in one or more potential significant
environmental impacts. As a result, a Positive Declaration was issued at the Planning
Board meeting on July 16, 2007 requiring the preparation of a draft EIS. Scoping is
optional, but can be initiated by either a Lead Agency or an applicant. The applicant
submitted a draft scope, thus initiating formal scoping. Under the procedures of the
State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA), if scoping is conducted, the Lead
Agency must provide an opportunity for public input and issue a final scope within 60
days of receipt of the draft scope. The Planning Board circulated the draft scope to
involved agencies and known parties of interest and published a notice of the Scoping
Meeting in at least one local paper, at least seven days prior to this hearing. We are
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here this evening to receive input on the scope of the Draft EIS only. Once the final
scope is complete, the applicant will prepare a draft EIS. The Draft EIS will be reviewed
by this Board, our staff and consultants to determine if it is complete for the purpose of
public review. If it is not complete, adequate, or does not conform to the final scope, the
reasons will be outlined and the applicant will be directed to revise the document for
resubmission. Once a complete Draft EIS is accepted, it will be the subject of a
minimum 30-day comment period that will include a public hearing. All subsequent
comments on a Draft EIS must be addressed in a Final EIS, which must be completed
and circulated for at least ten days before any findings or decisions are issued on a
project. You can see that this process will involve a number of opportunities for public
input. As a result, this evening we are requesting only comments on what should be
studied in the Draft EIS. If you have reviewed the applicant's draft scope, all are
welcome to speak this evening on those additional items that you believe should be
included in the Draft EIS. Our staff is here tonight to hear the public comments and will
be involved throughout the DEIS review process. The draft scope will be revised to
reflect all substantive comments. After tonight, we will permit written comments to be
received by the Planning Board Office for a period of 15 calendar days, or until the close
of business on September 4th. After this, we will ensure that a Final Scope is completed
and circulated. The Final Scope will be used by the applicant to prepare the draft EIS.
If you wish to speak, you may raise your hand and once you are recognized you may
come forward to either of these two microphones, provide your name and address, and
tell the Board the specific items you wish to be addressed in the draft EIS that are not in
the draft scope. We will make note of your comments, and ensure that they are
reflected in the final scope. We would appreciate it if you would confine your remarks to
three minutes. Comments on the project itself are not appropriate at this time. So this
is not an opportunity for somebody to say "I like this projecUI don't like this project."
That is not the subject of this hearing. We are only interested in comments that relate
specifically to the draft Environmental Impact Statement. So, thank you for coming here
tonight. Is there someone who would like to begin?
Benia Schwartz. CutchoQue: Before we begin, I just want to clarify what you just said
and make sure I understood it. This draft scope, this is, I put on the top of mine
"applicant's draft scope." This was prepared; it says "prepared by Nelson & Pope"
public limited liability corporation, actually professional, but it was prepared by the
applicant.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Correct.
Benia Schwartz: OK. And then pursuant to our input today and your...
Chairperson Woodhouse: We have already shared our comments about issues that we
want to see in the final scope. We have given that information to the applicant. If there
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are things that we have missed, that we have not included, that the public feels need to
be included in the final scope, that's what we would like to hear from you tonight.
Benia Schwartz: But we don't know what you've already shared with the applicant, do
we?
Chairperson Woodhouse: Well, it's a matter of public record; I mean it has been
available; it's in the draft scope, which is what you have--the draft scope.
Benia Schwartz: The applicant has incorporated that into the draft scope? Which I
called today and I was informed I could get it at the meeting tonight. So, I just got that; I
haven't had time to review it.
Rav Huntinaton. Goose Neck. Cutchoaue: I bring attention to 2.2 in the Draft Scope.
My concern is covered, but it's covered lightly, let's say. I am wondering if the Board
would consider splitting 2.2 into Water Supply and Waste Water: separate issues. They
aren't really separate, but in order to bring further attention to the water issue in general,
it might be good to talk about that in terms of waste water and in terms of supply water.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you. Is there someone else who would like to address
the Board?
Julie Rapuano. 1140 Crown Land Lane. Cutchoaue: The Heritage at Cutchogue, the
proposed 47-acre development, has many, many major concerns. I did read the
positive declaration, and I can only ask the Planning Board to please, please, please
consider every alternative to keep the Hamlet of Cutchogue safe for all of us who live
here as well as the many visitors attracted to our beautiful North Fork. They come for
the wineries, for the farm stands, for street fairs and in general the beauty of Cutchogue,
the sunniest place on Long Island. Highland, Crown Land, Bridal Lane, a neighborhood
of about 60 homes and 50 children, has two outlets to and from our neighborhood,
making it very safe for young and old to live. The Heritage proposal to open and
connect Spur with Schoolhouse Lane and Griffing poses a danger of significant
increase in traffic. Further, a parochial school borders the proposed development.
Pedestrian traffic as the school children cross the Main Road daily to use the parish hall
will be endangered by the increase in traffic that will result from the Heritage. The
tremendous impact that Heritage will have on our town, our resources and our way of
life is just too significant. Please, please, please do all that you can to protect our
hamlet from this sizeable development. Once we give up the little we have left, we
cannot give it back. And I thank you for your time. I have copies if I could give them.
Dave Groenweld. 710 Harbor Lane. Cutchoaue: You didn't make enough papers.
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Chairperson Woodhouse: How many people do not have a copy? We will continue with
those people who have papers in front of them and we will make more copies for you.
Nancv Sawastvnowicz: Born in Greenport Hospital, raised in Cutchogue. This current
application, the Heritage, to develop this property is not the first time a development
plan was proposed for this location. I was here a quarter of a century ago when I
formed a group of residents and we called ourselves "SOS." We oppose the
development of Cutchogue Hamlet. Now I am here again for it is important that we go
into some of the history behind this 47 acres. This property has caused hardship for our
town since 1974. The first application was made in 1974 requesting 226 units known as
Leisure Grains Inc. It was planned as a retirement community. The minimum age
would be restricted to residents 55 or older with no children of school age. The
South old Town Planning Board in its great wisdom disapproved it, and disapproved the
requested change of zone. The Planning Board presented their master plan that there
would be no multiple residences between Mattituck and Southold. Then the next
application for the same change of zone, a residential and agricultural district to MI, was
brought up on February 1, 1983, and it was called Sea Croft. Richard Kron, attorney for
the project and developer, along with Joseph Nolan of New Suffolk and Bill Carroll of
Cutchogue also proposed a senior citizen type of retirement community. But not 226
units: he planned 160 units. Once again the Planning Board reviewed the application
and came up with the same language in recommending the disapproval decision. But
the Town Board gave the zone change July 19,1983. Before the change of zone was
adopted, I was alarmed when I read in the paper Sea Croft was widely favored in
Cutchogue. I attended my first Town Board meeting. After the hearings and the
agenda was finished, I attempted to speak to the Board. I had collected 500 signatures
on a petition and wanted to let the Board know the project was strongly opposed by the
residents. Before I got out one sentence, I was rudely stopped and asked not to speak.
The Town Board went into executive session and did not allow me the right to speak in
public; it was totally against the law. When they came out, they told me I missed the
hearing and was not allowed to speak about it. The hearing had not been closed; the
zone hadn't changed until July 19,1983. The petition grew in number, somewhere
around 900 signed it, and the Town sent it back to me. Next, I hired an attorney for our
group. Sea Croft Developers would not prepare a draft environmental impact statement
and took our town to the Supreme Court challenging the Town Planning Board's denial
on the site plan approval. This was February 1985. The Planning Board won. Then,
on April 19, 1984, at a pre-submission conference, all changed. The retirement
community minimum age changed from 45 to 50. Mr. Cron added that at first the age
was set at 55; however, he decided to change the age and lower it to 45. The zone
change was granted on the fact of it being a retirement community. The whole thing I
am trying to point out here is that when this property zone was changed, it was
railroaded through by this developer. Anyway, I looked at the assessment form given
for the zone change. It was so erroneous; every question on it says "no." Even No. 15:
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"Is there public controversy concerning this project?" There has been a lot of
controversy over this project. The point I would like to make is: the change of zone was
railroaded through so many years ago, and not really concerning of all the many
impacts it will do to our town. This is only one of the first large-scale proposals for our
town of Cutchogue. The town didn't want it 30 years ago, and they don't want it now.
We only need to drive through Cutchogue at 5 p.m. any day of the week. That's our
traffic study. We can't handle any more. And even site plan work does not vest on an
interest in zoning. Zoning can be changed at any time, at least until building
construction has begun. Therefore, I implore you: please recommend the alternative
rezoning to open space on this land. Thank you.
Thomas Hall: 2985 Highland Road. I am looking at your document here, under
"Human Resources Transportation." It would be, I guess, in the middle of Page 2. I
don't understand why Highland Road on Route 25 is not included here, and Crown
Land. My recommendation is to add those intersections.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you very much.
Thomas Hall: Today, from 3:40 p.m. to 3:55 p.m. I sat just west of Highland Road and
Route 25 to count motor vehicles traveling east and west. I also counted pedestrian
traffic, motor vehicles entering the common road. My findings were as follows in just 15
minutes (this wasn't rush hour, this wasn't lunchtime; this wasn't a weekend):
eastbound motor vehicles - 125 in 15 minutes (2 bicycles); westbound motor vehicles-
155 (4 bicycles), 1 illegal U-turn; entering Highland Road - 2 cars; exiting Highland
Road - 6 cars. The car making the illegal U-turn was 300' west of Highland Road; they
made the U-turn to stop at the plant stand which is directly across from Highland Road.
Last week, I was traveling west on the Main Road at this location when a senior driver
made an illegal U-turn at the same spot to go to the plant stand. She got wiped out by
a guy in his pickup that was towing a 25' camper in a Rav4. I was amazed at how
somebody could pull an illegal U-turn at this location in front of a vehicle that was the
size of a battleship coming down the road. The Village Green, which is just east of
Highland Road, hosts many events during the year which also generates a lot of heavy
volume, motor vehicles, pedestrian traffic. There isn't sufficient parking for these
events; therefore, people park on the Main Road which creates major traffic hazards.
Again, I would like the Board to add the other locations to the study for the traffic
because traffic, you guys drive around here, you know it's pretty bad. Thank you.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you.
Barbara McAdam: 800 Crown Land Lane, Cutchogue. My two major issues are water
and traffic. At the risk of being repetitive, I'll try to briefly summarize what I have written
for you and provide each of you with copies when I am finished. Permitting 139 Town
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individual cesspools on approximately 20 of the 47 Heritage acres, to leach
contaminants in such close proximity to our private wells is a threat to our health.
Further hydrological studies need to be completed to determine precisely how the
shallow aquifer which supplies our water will be impacted. How will Suffolk County
Water Authority's evergreen pump station be affected? How will a 55+ community of
such high density affect our private wells? In his letter to Ms. Woodhouse on December
12,2006, Suffolk County Water Authority's Steven Jones states that in Southold Town
"the water supply is limited and there is a large impact to shallow aquifers." In the same
letter, Mr. Jones "stronqlv urqes" that the Town of Southold impose conditions on this
project." By the way, the project was originally proposed with chromaglass sewage
treatment rather than individual cesspools. In his letter, he goes on to say "adopt
methods to reduce the potential of degraded water from recharging the aquifer." In a
July 22, 2007 article in the New York Times, Mr. Jones again describes this precise
scenario currently taking place in East Northport. Mr. Jones states that "a combination
of fertilizer from farming and the use of cesspools in residential development has
contributed to the problem of water containing high nitrates, thus necessitating Suffolk
County Water Authority to tap a well into the deeper and extremely fragile aquifer,
roughly 845' deep, a controversial precedent that might one day "deplete and degrade
this aquifer." Will there be ample and clean water if our neighborhood, like the Heritage,
is to be connected to the Suffolk County public water supply? Though it has been
offered to the roughly 60 homes in Highland, Crown Land, Bridal Lane and Court area,
many people, retirees on fixed income, and young families raising 50 or more children in
our neighborhood, cannot afford the nearly $6,000 per home price tag. These people
are perfectly content with their private wells. But with the coming of Heritage in their
backyard, the property rights are being violated. Signing up for public water is no longer
an option, it is now a necessity. Should these seniors have to choose between eating
and installing public water? Should families have to forego basic necessities to hook up
to public water? It is the developer's responsibility to bear the cost of connecting every
house in the areas adjacent to the Heritage to public water if this project proceeds. And
even then, there is no guarantee that a high density development like the Heritage will
not degrade the public water supply, forcing water management agencies like Suffolk
County Water Authority to dig deeper into the already sensitive aquifer, or use other
extreme measures to bring us clean drinking water. On another note, Mr. Robert
Farmer, who is the supervisor of the Bureau of Drinking Water with Suffolk County
Health Department, states that sewage from The Heritage property will run to
Wickham Creek and Cutchogue Harbor. As you can see, this project impact will extend
far beyond the hamlet center of Cutchogue. Even the shellfish need to be worried.
Studies need to be done to determine how marine life in Peconic Estuary and town
waters is threatened by this development. Mr. Farmer also indicates that "the town of
Southold is responsible for storm water structures and should address this issue during
their planning review process." I will give you a copy of his letter. If our drinking water
doesn't kill us, perhaps the new traffic generated by the Heritage will. Active retirement
doesn't mean sitting in your rocking chair waiting to die. For seniors like me, it means
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more trips around our beautiful North Fork to visit friends, doctors, farm stands, wineries
and local businesses. Today's seniors in their car are short hopping more than working
people. The Heritage therefore will generate over 300 additional cars on our roadways
between residents, their visitors and maintenance staff and most cars will make multiple
trips daily. Our neighborhood consists of about 60 homes and 50 children. Currently,
there are no outlets to and from our neighborhood, making it an appealing and safe
place for young and old to live. So, it's the people who live here who are primarily the
ones to use our roads. The Heritage proposal to open and connect Spur Road with
Schoolhouse Lane or Griffing Street will create a bypass and shortcut for traffic from
Main Road through our development. An emergency access to Bridal Lane is also
proposed. In addition to the increased volume of vehicles, these proposed routes
around Cutchogue Hamlet also pose a danger. Our right to control access to our own
neighborhood, which we currently have, is jeopardized by this proposal. We will now be
subjected to a significant influx of cars, trucks, motorcycles, emergency vehicles and
their occupants whizzing by 24/7 to get to and from Crown Land and Depot Lane
directly, without using Main Road. This traffic not only requires huge concessions from,
and lack of autonomy for neighborhood residents, but it also endangers our safety. In
an area without sidewalks, how will we walk or jog safely? How will the kids ride their
bikes, skateboard or play street hockey without risking their lives? The construction
phase of the Heritage ranges from 3-5 years, according to the developer. Consider the
years of heavy construction vehicles plodding down our once quiet streets in a steady
stream of noise and air pollution. Consider cars and trucks carrying out of town workers
using this new bypass when Main Road is congested as it usually is during the months
when construction will occur. Not only will this traffic be a nuisance, but it will also be
hazardous. Ms. Rapuano mentioned the parochial school that borders the
development; kids walking back and forth across the street to Parish Hall each day are
going to be endangered by increased traffic. The Cutchogue Fire House, in its current
location, requires entry into the congested hamlet center from New Suffolk Avenue.
Given these traffic scenarios of congestion and gridlock, will emergency vehicles be
able to respond quickly to fire, medical and other crises? Previous traffic studies
performed by Nelson & Pope and reviewed by Dunn Engineering were incomplete,
inconclusive, and just plain wrong, claiming that only locals would utilize this new
bypass of Main Road if Spur Road is opened, are ludicrous. If you were trying to drive
through Cutchogue this past Saturday, you would have seen everyone using a shortcut
to avoid Main Road, if one existed. The Chairman of the South old Transportation
Commission reserved the right to call for an additional traffic study in a letter dated July
30,2007. The Southold Town Board recently called for an independent traffic study to
be paid for by the developer. I request that you, the Planning Board, formally authorize
the Town Board to initiate a new independent traffic study. Let our roads, Spur and
Bridal, be the roads not taken. Thank you.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you. Would you please make sure to sign your name.
I hope all the previous speakers have remembered to sign your names; if you haven't,
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would you please do so. Does everyone who needs a copy of the Scoping paper have
one? Is there anyone who doesn't have a copy? They are here in the front. Could you
bring one back for someone else? Thank you.
Child: I am from Cutchogue. I would like to say that if this project is done, we won't be
able to ride bikes and play with our friends in the street. It will be very dangerous for us
to do that, and our mommies will worry about us. Thank you.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you. Would you put your name on our list, please? If
you have a paper, look at all the items that are on there, and see if there's something
you'd like to comment on that's not here and needs to be included.
Kellv Evers: I live on Schoolhouse Road, #725. I am strongly opposed to this project. I
want to comment on the Human Resources section with the transportation and around
the same thing with the traffic and #6. I don't really feel that this adequately describes
how Schoolhouse Road particularly would be affected by this project going through,
since this development or this street would be the most impacted by the traffic level
because the main entrance is expected to be on the corner of Griffing Street and
Schoolhouse Road. We don't as well have sidewalks to use. I have four children and
live on that street. We would be confined to our house, not being able to use the street
and, excuse me, I'm a little nervous. The building plans for 278 resident parking
spaces, anticipating two cars per household, which seems reasonable, most of us have
that. If these people who reside in these houses are still working, they will make a trip
back and forth each day, which could mean 600 cars, if they make one trip, passing by
my house every day. If they are like the rest of us, making two and three, that
could be in excess of 1200-1800 cars passing by my house to go to Depot Lane
every day. Depot Lane would be the choice street because it leads both to Main Road
and to Sound Avenue. I know at 55 I will still be working, I expect many of the residents
there would be, too. We don't have sidewalks. So we will no longer be able to bike,
walk, rollerblade, run and enjoy the exercise that we are able to get right now. This
would grossly negatively impact our quality of life. At a time when we are encouraged
to put our children outside to play, we would have to confine our children to their
houses, to their backyards, not to get the exercise that most people think is reasonable.
During the construction phase as well, it would be just as bad with the trucks coming
down Sound Avenue to Depot right past Schoolhouse Road, probably a steady stream
of large construction vehicles bringing materials and bringing waste back. Construction
workers, engineers, inspectors, Water Authority, L1PA, Keyspan and every other agency
that needs to address this. And once it is complete, again, according to some of the
letters that I have read from the Health Department, the way the water travels could
definitely affect the wells on Schoolhouse Road, the private wells. We were not a
community that was offered a hookup to the County water. Other developments were,
and it is going to affect them; it is also going to affect us, and we were not, so that was
something that I wanted to address as well. And this seems like it's too much for one
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community to bear. We, as Schoolhouse Road residents, would be bearing the brunt of
it, we'd get most of the traffic, we'd get all of the construction, and it just seems like too
much for one neighborhood to go through. So, I don't think that this report adequately
addresses the residents of Schoolhouse Road.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you. Make sure you sign your name.
Paul Romanelli: I live at 90 Bridal Court in Cutchogue, at the end of the development at
Highland Road. I just would like to address a couple of things, I'm sure you've probably
heard most of them already, but the issue of traffic that everyone is talking about is a
pretty big one for everybody here, including myself. I am also on the stakeholders for
Cutchogue, and we just, I think we delivered a letter today to the Planning Board
requesting a full and broader traffic study for not just Cutchogue but I think the other
stakeholders in the other communities are also looking for a much broader traffic study
on the East End here. In fact, at our last meeting we had Tom Wickham attend, and he
also agreed with us about having a more intense traffic study, because this
development is just indicative of other issues that are occurring in the communities. We
are seeing not just an increase in traffic, and this is just my own personal observation,
but I think we are seeing not just an increase in traffic but also much more aggressive
traffic. Some of that is actually due to the fact that the road has been cleaned up,
smoothed out, and designed to move traffic. So, that being said, it makes for a bigger
issue for this community and what's going to be built in here as well. The other aspect
of this is, I know that the drawings that we saw show the road coming through from
Griffing into Spur, and I know that there has been some questions of our community
knowing that we bought in that area with those two side roads there, Spur and Bridal,
both going into that development with the obvious intention at some point of those roads
being built into another community. Well, certainly that probably made sense 20 years
ago if the community that is being proposed now was of the same density of the
neighboring communities. In fact, at that point if it was done, it would have made sense
if those communities were all the same size. If Spur Road went into Griffing Street, and
Bridal Lane went up into Evergreen, you would have had all interconnected
communities. But we don't have that; we have disjointed communities that really don't
connect well, and I feel that if this is tied in, we actually are suffering the burden of that.
On top of that, it's poor planning, basically is what it comes down to. Trying to rectify
now by throwing a road in there doesn't do the job. With Highland Road being a straight
shot and a very wide road, we get traffic in excess of the speed limit down that road with
a lot of children. Adding more traffic into it doesn't help. Again, that's another example;
wide road, straight, no sidewalks; that is poor planning. If you're going to tie
communities together, you gotta tie them together the right way with sidewalks and
speed limits and proper traffic. So, what we are asking for is not just a traffic study that
affects this development, which we want, but we want one that will help all of Cutchogue
because as a stakeholder, I learned today and I am sure there are some people here
from Fleet's Neck Property Association, they are also very concerned about traffic in the
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community. So, I think that's a pretty broad example of what we are concerned about,
in addition to the issues of density on this development. That's alii have. Thank you.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you.
Peter Lake. 2278 Hiahland Road. Cutchoaue: Obviously, I don't want to beat a dead
horse. I spoke with the Health Department just about a year and a half ago. I was
saying what things as a community we should be worried about. It comes down to: they
said "nitrates." Nitrates is a byproduct of the septic systems. With the amount of
proposed units on a small parcel of land, nitrate levels would increase. Over the past
two years, I spent $5,000 on my own water system. My water currently tests better than
the Suffolk Water Authority is offering. The nitrate level in the water has finally dropped
to acceptable levels. I made the decision not to use public water should it become
available for this reason alone. Therefore, I am very concerned about the possible
contamination of the groundwater. Pharmaceuticals are another possible contaminate
in the groundwater. Studies are in the early stages; it's something that I think should be
considered that not a lot of people are looking into. In a community like that,
there will be a tremendous amount of drugs being taken. I'm not saying that to be
negative, but your body only processes 10% of drugs that are taken into the body;
anywhere from 80-90% is being excreted you know how. As for the community facilities
and services, I am not in a volunteer fire department here, I respect them very well. I
could tell you what I do now. I work for Nassau County; I am a police officer over there.
There are many similar developments: the volunteer fire departments have become
overburdened with calls to these communities. As a result, fire companies have to rely
on police department ambulance to answer emergency calls. In Nassau County, police
officers respond to calls when fire departments cannot respond. This type of community
has the potential of tying up local fire departments on a regular basis, resulting in
extended response time on other emergency calls. This type of situation is dangerous
and the increase of fatalities in Cutchogue and neighboring towns is great. I do it every
day. I'm not from the fire department; maybe the fire department feels differently. This
is what I see where I am at work, and what's potentially going to happen here. I just,
somebody's got to talk about that.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you. Yes, ma'am? Could we please not applaud?
This is not a for or against, let me remind you; this is a fact-finding for us, to make sure
that we have all the information that we need, so it would move more quickly if we just
hold the applause. Thank you.
Linda Commenda. 1370 Hiahland Road: I just took a quick look. You mention quality of
life, but there's no indication you're going to do any testing on the sound, the noise.
Having so many people in a very quiet area where you barely hear your neighbors no
matter how good a time they are having, or even with the children: you bring that many
people with that many cars, with swimming pools, tennis courts and a gazebo where
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chances are they are going to want to have outdoor entertainment, you are going to
disrupt the quality of life of everybody on the street/household area.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Please sign your name. Thank you. Is there anyone else
who would like to address the Board? Yes, sir?
Steve Tettlebach. 1530 Crown Land Lane. Cutchoque: There are several things that I
would like to either reiterate or to re-emphasize, and a couple of things I would like to
point out to the Board that maybe has not been emphasized at this point. We have
heard a lot of discussions about traffic and I think it's rather obvious that the volume of
traffic that would be generated from a development of this size is just way too large for
the area. We don't want it on Highland and Crown Land where I live. People on
Schoolhouse don't want it and people on Depot don't want it. It's just way too much
traffic for Cutchogue. The only way to perhaps come to any viable solution is to greatly
reduce the size of the project; it's just way too much for what we have in this area. In
looking over the scoping document that the developers have provided, one of the things
that's brought up is that they will look at existing water quality from published
information. What I would like to urge the Planning Board to seek from the developers
is to have them do a thorough review of the water quality in all of the existing
neighborhoods that may be impacted, because it's clearly going to impact us. We
would like to know where we are at and if things greatly decline in water quality, we
would like to be aware of that. Obviously for health reasons, but we should know where
we are at now and perhaps where we are going to go with the size of this development.
The property itself, I've had the opportunity to walk the property and there's no mention
of standing water on the property, which there was back in the spring. This may
represent seasonal wetlands, and there may be special habitats that are represented in
this property. There's no mention of that made in what the developers are suggesting
that they are going to do in the Draft Environmental statement. So, I would urge the
Planning Board to seek from the developers a very thorough study of the habitats. This
is an area that is not just a flat farm field, and it may represent some very sensitive and
critical environmental habitat, and that needs to be looked at. The last point I want to
bring up has to do with the quality of life in Cutchogue. The Environmental Impact
outline suggests that cultural resources will be evaluated, and I would like the Board to
very seriously consider what impact this development would have on the quality of life in
Cutchogue. How do you evaluate that? How do you put a number on that? Everyone
here, and there's a very large audience here, I think most people here are not in favor of
this project, and I think that speaks volumes for the community and all of Cutchogue
and all of the North Fork. This is a huge development project; what impact will that
have on our town? That's a very serious consideration. The developers, I'm sure, want
to see this done yesterday. I beseech the Board to please take your time and very
seriously evaluate every single item in the EIS, and take it very seriously. Thank you.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you.
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Bruce Stewart: Good evening. I live at 870 Schoolhouse Road. Although I have a lot of
concerns, I am just going to touch on a few of them. The water quality is one of them.
We just put a submersible well in not too long ago, and I'd like to continue to use my
own water. The runoff is another problem. Waste products: another problem. I would
also like to touch on the construction issue. Thirty years ago, when we moved in, you
could take a nap on Schoolhouse Road. That's not true anymore. Right now, it's a
shortcut to the dump, shortcut to the post office, shortcut to church; as in Highland and
the neighbor in Crown Land said, they don't want to be besieged by traffic, and they
would be; they are absolutely correct, because we are now. And now they want to add
another 139 homes at approximately two occupants per home. That's going to flood the
roads. There are kids. I am fortunate right now I have a grandchild. There's nothing
my wife and I like better than pushing him up and down the road, which will come to a
screeching halt when those big trucks start rolling. Quality of life: I'm a little worried
about the construction phase. As well as later on, the traffic phase. I hope that's
considered very heavily in this. Thank you.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Is there anyone else who would like to address the Board
this evening?
Tom Sledieski. 1170 Hiahland Road. Cutchoaue: Good evening everyone. Just to
follow up on what Linda said, the noise is something I don't think we can even consider
and comprehend at this point. When you look at the potential proposed project and the
effects, I think we also have to check into the potential for light pollution. There's no
indication whether these tennis courts would be lighted, whether the swimming pool is
going to be lighted. Anybody who has any idea of that, just look out your backyard; one
of the nicest things you can do on a summer night on our road right now, and a winter
night, too, when it's especially clear, is to go outside in your backyard and look upstairs.
It's beautiful. There are stars, you can count 'em. You can pick 'em out. On the other
hand, if you look close to the horizon in the east, unfortunately you see that lovely glow
from King Kullen. We need the lights there, it's a safety issue, but we have no street
lights on our street; there's no street lights on Crown Land; there's no streetlights on
Spur or Bridal. And I'm pretty sure that a lot of the folks who may want to move into this
community may want street lights. They may like to have their tennis courts lit; they
may want to have their swimming pool lit. And I think that's a very large quality of life
issue which we could probably include, and I would ask you to include when asking
these folks for a statement on this with respect to #16,17, anything in there. So, on top
of the traffic issues which have been very well brought up and highlighted thus far, the
water issues, etc., I think we really have to look into the light issue as well because it
could have a dramatic effect on our way of life. Thank you very much.
Bruce Stewart: If I may, I'd like to make one more comment. It revolves around the
traffic issue. I am a member of the Cutchogue Fire Department, but I am not speaking
for them in any manner, sense or form. This is my personal opinion. Those emergency
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vehicles, big and small, do not run themselves. Responders have to get to the
firehouse. If I can't get out of my driveway, and the other responders can't get out of
their driveway, those vehicles are going to sit on the ramp, which is only going to add to
the response time. And that was the last issue I would like the Board to consider
heavily. Thank you.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Next. Yes, ma'am?
Elaine Svrkin: 660 Schoolhouse Road. I just came up with this other idea. How about
our post office, our library and the impact it's going to have, because they're just
rebuilding the library now to accommodate the people that are there now; so what's
going to happen when 200+ people come in? And also our post office: what's going to
happen? All the boxes are taken in the post office. That's my question.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you. We're going to donate a pen to that podium.
We're donating another one. And you are?
Paul Romanelli: It was mentioned before that a lot of people are opposed to the project.
I want to state personally for myself, I'm not necessarily opposed to a project in there,
particularly for seniors, because I think a senior development in there is an ideal
solution. However, what I am opposed to is the density, and the design. If it was
designed closer to something like Founders Village in Southold, with significantly less
density, is spread out, is single stories, I think that might accommodate a lot of concerns
that a lot of people have aside from traffic issues and some of the other things that were
brought up.
Benia Schwartz: I live in Cutchogue; I have the pleasure of living in the first house built
on Fleet's Neck. It was built back in the days when there weren't very many summer
residents out here. There were a lot of beaches closer to the city; people didn't have to
come out this far. They came out here for hunting. I built my house as a hunting cabin.
I don't do much hunting anymore. Things change. Anyway, now here we are in 2007,
but some things don't change that fast. Cutchogue is home to the old house. With all
due respect, The Heritage at Cutchogue is right there on the village green, that's the old
house. And that's the community which I'm a part of; I wasn't born here, but I came
here when I was 7 years old and I've been here for over 40 years. I'm relying on the
members of this Board to give this proposal for development a hard look. Unfortunately,
what I'm seeing so far is that the "alternatives" which are an essential part of the
scoping process in the EIS, are relegated to the back of the last page. I appreciate
saving the trees printing on the sides of both pages, but I think we need to look at those
alternatives. Unfortunately, there are none here. The first one is required in every
environmental, it's boiler plate, it's always there. Unfortunately, I don't get the
impression it's truly being considered here. I'm ready to move into this place. When is
it going to be built? I get the impression that, we've heard from some people, this is
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going to happen. All we can do is mitigate it. The least we can do is look at a little more
than one alternative; clustering single family vs. multi-family units-what about the
density? Isn't that an alternative? How many units they have? Aren't there other
alternatives we should be looking at? There's so much more that should be in this
document that I just feel....
Chairperson Woodhouse: What else? Could you make a suggestion?
Benia Schwartz: I will try to submit something. What I would like to see? Yes, I could
make a suggestion and I've been making suggestions for the last 25 years; I've been
here for over 40 years but I've been coming before Town Boards and I've been an
attorney for the last 15 years. Suggestions: I was called the "Grinch of Cutchogue"
when I pointed out that the Santa's Christmas Tree Farm didn't have a certificate of
occupancy. They advertise themselves as the biggest..... this is all relevant to what's
happening right here with this particular proposal. Sotheby's Real Estate opened up on
the Main Road, then they moved into the center of Cutchogue. Excuse me, we're
talking about the Cutchogue Hamlet. The central business commercial property in the
center of Cutchogue is now a real estate office. I don't go in there for a cup of coffee
anymore. Maybe I could, it might be free. But it's not what I feel belongs in the center
of Cutchogue. This suggests that there's a failure and a lack of planning in South old
Town. There's a failure on the part of the people on this Board, and I am not here to get
confrontational. I appreciate you are trying to do a good job. I have been trying to help
the Town for the last 10 years I have been in the web design business. I suggested and
was welcomed by the library; we have our esteemed former library director of
Cutchogue Library, to help start a website for the Cutchogue Library. I think that's
added a lot to the library. I would suggest that the Town could use a real website
instead of what they have now. That could be part of this suggestion, communication
between government and citizens which, you can see the fact that I tried to get the draft
scope of this before I came to this meeting and it was not available until I came here,
and even when I came here it wasn't available. A lot could be done. Essentially, to cut
this short, I don't want to spend; I got things to do at home, I gotta go home and bring
the birds in. But it's just; I've had enough, OK? Short term profit from individual
developers should not trump the long-term loss of the community. Recently, I don't
know what's being done, but there's a sign that just went up at the end of Pequosh
Avenue, "Hertz Rent-a-Car." Now, I haven't seen any cars there, but since when is a
national car company located at the end of Pequosh on the Main Road? And we're
talking about building a 250+ unit development.
Chairperson Woodhouse: I look forward to getting your correspondence.
Benia Schwartz: I'm almost finished. The last thing I'd like to share with you is: across
the street from me, I had some neighbors from the city that made a proposal to add a
second story to their house. Although they were already within the setback, 30' from
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the road, they wanted to cut the setback to 15'. Well, the Zoning Board of Appeals was
all ready to give them their easement or whatever, let them have the setback. Then I
brought up that this would have adverse environmental impacts, it would impact
negatively the aesthetics, the economics of the community. A lot of these new houses
that are getting blown; these little houses are getting destroyed and blown apart,
whether houses are built on spec or for the owner, I don't care: they're reducing the
value of the properties next door to them by at least 50%. Well, anyway, to make a long
story short, I pointed out the negative impacts on the environment and the
neighborhood and the real danger, people could get killed because of the way this thing
was designed, it's going to create additional hazards in an intersection. The corner
where I live, there's no yield sign; there's no stop sign. There's two roads...
Georae Solomon: Excuse me sir, what does this pertain to the Heritage project?
Benia Schwartz: I'm saying that we need to take a broader look. I understand that this
is one of the largest projects that has been proposed for South old Town, let alone
Cutchogue Hamlet. I think we need to expand the scope of this scope and become
proactive, not reactive. Thank you.
Georae Solomon: You're welcome.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you. Is there someone else who would like to address
the Board?
David Groeneveld: 710 Harbor Road. I may be a little off the wall, but about five years
ago I was looking for an acre of land out here to buy. Eventually, I landed on Harbor
Road there and I had to buy two acres of land. The builder used to make miniature
plots; so how can they do that to him where he's got to sell two-acre plots instead of like
this company or whoever they want to do, make little tiny houses, or probably big
houses on small land. I mean, how is that possible that they can do this? I mean, the
builder is dead now anyway but his daughter was retarded and all that, and he had to...
I imagine she's in the hospital someplace. For the life of me I can't figure out how that
is possible.
Chairperson Woodhouse: OK. This particular parcel has a zone that enables it to come
in with a plan to build this number of units. Zoning is determined not by this Board, but
by the Town Board. This is a high density zone. Is there anyone else here who has not
spoken tonight who wants to bring up a point that has not been discussed?
Gary Row: 455 Schoolhouse Road. One point that was not brought up, I believe, was
we talked about how many cars are going to be in and out of the roads every day: 600
cars, 400 cars, 800 cars. What has not been looked at or discussed are the service
support vehicles and people for all these homes and people throughout the year.
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It's going to end up like another Hamptons. At 6:30-9:30 in the morning, where you
can't get into the Hamptons. It's going to end up as an issue for landscapers, L1PA, and
everybody else servicing all these facilities on top of the people that live there. That
was not brought up, I believe. So, you've got the service. Anybody who has ever
driven to the Hamptons recently now, 6:30-9:30 in the morning on the main road out
there, 27, forget it. You can't get into the Hamptons; you've got to take the ferry. You're
going to end up with the same situation here.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Thank you. Please sign your name, and leave the pen. I
just want to remind you, there will be other hearings on this project where you can
express a broad range of opinions on various things. Tonight, this is the Scoping
session. Again, if there is a point that has not been brought up relative to the Scoping
session, you have an opportunity to do so now.
John Cato: 2605 Crown Line Lane. This is kind of a shot in the dark. It's so ironic that
it's going to be named The Heritage of Cutchogue. An alternative, why don't, I mean,
the fact that we have a room full of people right now, I mean it's only a matter of time
before more people of South old Town are going to realize this, and this is a bad idea.
So, why don't we just preserve all this land and the Town pay back the developer for the
land and plop a reserve on it because if we don't do it now, we are never going to get
the chance. Like you said, this is a session to think outside the box, and we do have
some ideas, but Southold Town might want to speak up. That's it.
Chairperson Woodhouse: I hope you take your comments to the Town Board, because
that's the place where many of these comments are appropriately discussed. Tonight
we are here on the draft scoping. Is there anybody else who wants to make a comment
relative to this scoping session? Yes, sir?
Jack Hoffman: I live on Eastwood Drive in Cutchogue. I just picked up your word that
there will be further hearings on this subject open to the public. I just have a
suggestion. There were so many questions regarding the traffic problem which is
approaching us. If, for one of the future sessions, and I am sure there will be more
discussion on traffic, if a drawing or a presentation of the road area was presented to
the public or displayed to the public in attendance at the time these traffic problems
were suggested, it would help everybody understand the traffic problems that we will
reiterate when this development comes about.
Chairperson Woodhouse: OK. When you come back for future hearings, when we are
having a public hearing on a specific project, there will be maps that will be outside up
against the wall so you can see them. But you are able to come into the Planning
Board office, which is located in the bank building, at look at maps and get additional
information. The agenda is always there ahead of time. There were plenty of copies of
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the Draft Scope there to be picked up and we will make sure there are always enough
materials in advance. So you are welcome to come and get information. Thank you.
Tom Hall. Hiohland Road: Under "alternatives to be studied," like the gentleman said,
we could put "preserve the property." We could also put "rezone the property," because
as the lady pointed out earlier, in 1984 this thing was railroaded through to a quarter
acre zoning. So let's railroad it through back to two acres.
Chairperson Woodhouse: That's a Town Board issue. Thank you.
Tom Hall: I want that said on alternatives: "rezoning and preserved."
Chairperson Woodhouse: When we have a hearing, let me just say, we are responding
to existing zoning; it is not up to this Board to make determinations on zoning.
Tom Hall: That's an alternative.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Not for zoning issues.
Tom Hall: Preserving? Is preserving under that?
Chairperson Woodhouse: Not for zoning issues on this Board; it is not the jurisdiction of
this Board to rezone any parcel.
Tom Hall: How about preserving?
Chairperson Woodhouse: Is there anyone else who would like to talk about this?
Bruno Semon: Sir, the preservation is also done by the Town Board. Not the
Planning Board. We get involved, but it's the Town Board and Land Preservation
that gets directly involved.
Chairperson Woodhouse: We are asked to comment after the fact on those issues.
So that would be the place to bring those concerns: the Town Board. Yes, ma'am?
Eileen Mav: 455 Schoolhouse Road. I'd like to just bring up two points for the Board
to consider. The negative impact on all the existing businesses on the Main Road in
the Town of Cutchogue which aren't very many, but they do exist. There will be
literally no place to pull your car over, not even for a scoop of ice cream. So their
businesses are going to be heavily negatively impacted. There's a parcel of land next
to the post office that I doubt will sell because, just for the same reason. Unless
there's parking provisions made, people will not stop to shop in the area.
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Secondly, I agree with the gentleman who said that the smaller homes that are being
knocked down and larger homes being built diminish the value of the homes next
door. I believe that the existence of this community will also diminish all of the homes
in Cutchogue because, as a real estate sales person, if I am trying to find a home for a
prospective buyer from out of town, or sell a home in Cutchogue to someone else, a
big concern is quality of life. The congestion in the area will decrease the home
values throughout all of Cutchogue. Thank you.
Chairperson Woodhouse: We have time for one or two more people; if there's anyone
else who has not spoken and wants to share your comments on this draft scope.
Patricia Cato: I live at 2605 Crown Land Lane. I moved into that development in
1983, and I know what it was like, it was gorgeous. I have now, I went to work, I am a
working mom. I can't set my son down to tell him about this. I really hope this Board
listens to everyone, and put yourself in our position. Think about us in our
development and how would you like it being put next to you? And please, if you're
going to have your public hearing, have it where working parents can come. OK? I
work until 5:00 in Riverhead. So I didn't get here until 5:35, 5:40. I told my son, and
he came down. But unfortunately he can come down because he's still home from
college. Next week he goes back.
Chairperson Woodhouse: We are willing to stay here as long as somebody wants to
come and speak.
Anthonv Trezza: Typically our public meetings do begin at 6:00. This was a special
meeting, a scoping session.
Joe Townsend: I'd just like to say one thing: we are not only a nation of laws; we are a
town of laws. As a Planning Board, our job is to evaluate the proposals and hopefully
improve those proposals as they are presented to us according to and within the
confines of the zoning laws. That's what we are trying to do. We are not trying to be an
opposition to what the community wants. But we have a specific job we have to do, and
that's what we are doing here. I am sure many of us up here feel your concerns about
the way things are going and the concerns about over-development and problems, but
we really have to see what we can do under the existing guidelines to make this the
best project; and that's what we wanted to do, we wanted to get your input on that sort
of thing. In terms of alternatives within the existing code, the existing zoning
designation, certainly it would be great to see a lot of property preserved in this town,
and traffic never to be a problem. I guess in general there's been short-sightedness on
the Town Board's part and the Planning Board's part in terms of the potential for growth
of traffic. It has happened in every town on Long Island, and we have to think about
those things. But this is probably not the venue to do that, because we are just here
trying to respond to the Town Code. We are getting a lot of information; I think it's been
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valuable, and I think we will be able to improve this project from some of the
information that we have gotten, and some of the things that we will put into the scope.
But if you are concerned about preservation and traffic generally, speak to the Town
Board about creating new legislation. We will be happy to give our input on that.
That's just my opinion as one member, but I just felt I should say it based upon the
tenor of the comments here. We do have the best interest of the Town at heart I think.
Chairperson Woodhouse: I want to thank all of you for coming out and I want to thank
those families who brought your children to come and see democracy in action; I think
it's really important. There are many of you that we have not seen before, and we
hope that you will keep coming back to our meetings when there are subjects of
interest, but also that you will follow what's happening in your hamlet. There's a very
active Cutchogue Stakeholders group that is having regular ongoing meetings. There
are people here who are members of that Stakeholders group, some of whom have
identified themselves already. I hope you will speak with them and get connected and
find out more about what's happening. I just want to restate that after tonight...
excuse me?
Paul Romanelli: Can I make a comment about that? Stakeholders are not involved
with the Heritage project at all.
Chairperson Woodhouse: Correct. For those people who are interested in what's
happening and want to talk about the future and how you'd like to see your hamlet
develop, there are opportunities to do that through the Stakeholders group. You're
right, Stakeholders do not take positions on individual projects per se, and that's not
what we look to them for. After tonight, we will receive written comments for a period
of fifteen calendar days or until the close of business on September 4th. So, if you go
home and you think of another point that you have not had an opportunity to share
with us, please communicate with us, and thank you again very much for coming.
Good night.
There being no further business to come before the meeting, it was ADJOURNED at
6:20 p.m.
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Linda Randolph, Secreta
Jerilyn Woodhouse, Chair