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TR-07/30/1997
Albert J. Kmpski, President John Holzapfel, Vice President ~i~/'King Martin H. Garrell Peter Wenczel BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hail 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 1179 Southold, New York 11971 Telephone (516) 765-1892 Fax (516) 765-1823 MINUTES JULY 30, 1997 PRESENT WERE: Albert J. Krupski, Jr., President John Holzapfel, Vice-President Peter Wenczel, Trustee James King, Trustee Martin Garrelt, Trustee Diane Herbert, Clerk CALL MEETING TO ORDER PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: WEDNESDAY AUGUST 20, 1997 at 12 NOON TRUSTEE KING approved, TRUSTEE WENCZEL seconded. ALL AYES NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: WEDNESDAY AUGUST 27, 1997 at 7:00 p.m. WORKSESSION: 6:00 p.m. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL approved, TRUSTEE GARRELL seconded. ALL AYES APPROVE MINUTES: Approve minutes of June 25, 1997 Regular TRUSTEE KING approved, TRUSTEE GAR~RI'.I. seconded. ALL AYES I. MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustees monthly report for May 1997: A check for $2,822.16 was forwarded to the Supervisors's Office for the General Fund. II. PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board for review. *At this point of the meeting a Co~m,oner's Claim Deed was presented to the Trustees by Philip Horton and Katherine Mayne TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here for item number III AMENDMENTS/WAIVES/CHANGES? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI Because we ran late with the Co, muoner's Deed we would like to go right to the PUBLIC HEARINGS. So if everyone would skip that part until the end of the meeting. If anyone has anything that could be held up and has only one item on the Agenda on Page I, II or part of page III we can proceed. ~ ~oard of Trustees _ 2 ~ July 30, 1997 We'll go right into the PUBLIC HEARING. Do I have a motion to go off the regular meeting? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: So moved. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Tonight we have seventeen public hearings which is quite a lot. If anyone would like to speak please come up to the microphone identify yourself for our records and if possible keep your comments brief and organized. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The first item on the regular agenda is to set the Field Inspection date Wednesday August 20 at 12 noon. Does that meet with everybody's schedule? Do I have a motion on that. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So moved. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The next trustee mccting would be Wednesday August 27, at 7:00 with a 6:00 worksession. All in favor? TRUSTEE'HOLZAPFEL: So moved. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to approve the minutes of the JUNE 25 regular meeting? TRUSTEE KING: So moved. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES. IV. HEARINGS: THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS FOR PERI, ITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION FROM THE SUFFOLK TIMES. PERTINENT CORRESPONDENCE MAY BE READ PRIOR TO ASKING FOR COMMENT'S FROM THE PUBLIC. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRIEF': FIVE (5) MINUTES OR LESS~ IF POSSIBLE 1. John Geideman on behalf of JOHN ELDER requests a Wetland Permit to construct 2- 40' groins as per drawing dated 2/7/97. Located: 110 Cleaves Point Road, East Marion. SCTM 938-2-32 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I'd like to do Public Hearing 9 1,2,3,4, altogether as one PUBLIC HEARING as they are all projects that relate to one another. Is there anyone here that would like to speak in favor of the application? MR. EDLER: Yes I'm Mr. John Edler and with me is Mr. Napolitano~ $200 Cleaves Point Road. I will try to forward this information just to coordinate your records with ours. Now Diane is this working this time? CLERK DIANE: Yes. MR.EDLER: Very good. We received word from the DEC ~b~t as of JUNE 25th they have all applications that they are starting to study, however, when noting it they put the word 'dredge' after the application and that started excitement with the Army Corps of Engineers so they made contact right after the last meeting for us to get all the forms in for the permit to dredge. We Board of Trustees .~ 3 _ July 30, 19~7 sent them the latest drawing stating that there was no dredge or no fill. They could see the latest plan and that even some of the pictures we showe~ them there, it was non-applicable waters to go over the rocks. And just the other day we received from the co~mLlittee that surveys it, that the application for the permit is warranted. Obiviously they didn't read the note stating that we are not dredging, that we are not filling and not in navigable waters. $o maybe you could contact the DEC officials and explain this. We sent another letter to the Army Corps of Engineers stating this. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Awfully optimistic of you. MR. EDLER: About what? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: About us having any influence with the DEC. MR. EDT.R~: Well it might not necessarily be the DEC but I just note to you.., but we are trying to do the .... once something gets into a computer, it... TRUSTR.~ KRUPSKI: Who have you contacted? Who has the problem with it? MR. EDLER: We were in direct contact with the Army Corps of Engineers. So we have a name we would be sending it back to just reiterate the fact that if they look at the plans we were not asking for an application to dredge. That this proved that it was non-dredge non-fill reply. I just think that Darlene had put into the computer since the word fiddle was in it and the fact the dredge and then they said the note as of June 18th about the fact that we had to go through a procedure to fill out this environmental form about dredging. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But filling will be part of the application. Right? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It will be refilling the groins. MR. EDLER: But not because of the dredging. See we're back to the discussion like before. The sand is no~ gonna come from our dredging. The sand if any that is filled is coming from the dredging (Could not understand what Mr. Edler was saying). TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right, Right. MR. EDLER: So~ we do not need U.S. Army Corps of Engineer dredging pe~t. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I agree. MR. EDLER: So we're not dreding. TRUSTEE: HOLZAPFEL: But you're going to prefill the groin. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think what Mr. Edler's contension is that it is not in applicabla waters. MR. EDLER: We're not disagreeing that we're not going to fill the groins, we're just pointing out we do not need an Army Corp. of Enginccrs to dredge to get the fill. You told us last week that we could go right now and fill the thing under Aqua Foods. So therefore technically with the Army Corp of Engineers we do not need the dredging permit. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Right. There is no problem with that. Its just that you do have the concept that you are going to fill. MR. EDLER: Oh yeah. That is why I wanted to state clear in this (could not hear, papers shuffled) that there are certain trained people that if they see a word, push a button into a computer, and unless you pull the plug you're never gonna get it out. So Board of Trustees ~ 4 .~J July 30, 1997 I just wanted to alert you that it's not because we're not dragging our heels, but we're in one of these computer snafus. It would be senseless to put in groins and not fill them and they would be just shoots to a wave impact. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Besides sending letters are you going to try phone contact with these people and follow ups ............. MR. EDLER: Oh yes we have phone numbers. He just brought it to my attention Monday so I told him in black and white so we had it on record. The other thing is so that the people here can understand, what exactly is a Grandfather resolution? TRUSTR~.~ KRUPSKI: Well a Grandfather would be a resolution for a grandfather permit. This board will grant a Grandfather Permit for that structure so that it can be maintained in its present form and function. MR. EDLER: In present fozm. That is inkind and inplace? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's right. MR. EDLER: Does that include renovation, alteration? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Not alteration. Only in kind and in place. MR. EDLER: Another part of it is its also to protect the homeowner so that no later requirements can be placed upon it. L~ke to suggest that the next time we'll pull your bulkhead and retreat to the sea. Why I'm getting at this is basically to get to Aprea's. And it also dawned en me that in all of these which we are discussing, we also have a Grandfathsr Resolution which you gave to us in a northeastern of 1992. Someone also raised the point since there are groins already there established in the 1930's done by both the State and Federal Government to indicate that it was already a groined area. And the possibility some of these requirements are dealing with things that were Grandfathered. Not necessarily trying to avoid the groins but these are added considerations. So that's why the question would be an application... (Cannot understand words that Mr. Edler is saying), and the existinq groins that are still functioning in front of us which are 16cked were put in the 1930's all prior to this. Now I want to get to the attendance by Mr. Muir and myself of October 26, 1995 when you were dealing with Aprea. You've had a fact that these might affect the beach and I've tried to get representatives of the property owners association. I've pulled out of the records, and maybe you have the file, of the resolution on Aprea. On the west end they elevated the groin by 20" the whole 160' of it, then they put a stringer on both sides and then added 2 pilings. Now that is not inplace and inkind. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Alright you notified Diane and she called the Bay Constables he went out and I have a note that says on the west side of the property the retaining wall has been raised two feet and not the groin. MR. EDLER: Well what goes into the water and what in your own definition ..... and if you look at the diagram of the plan the Constable is like a boy going to do a man's job. Now in technical areas, so what's the difference betwccn a retaining wall, by your own picture and what is shown. The retaining wall is in by the house. What we're dealing with is what is referred in both the Grandfather Resolution as part of the west jetty and ~ Bbard of Trustees _ 5 . July 30, 1997 then the fact there is a 50' extension groin off of it and by your resolution you say pull in to 40' at the junction. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes we shortened that but we should .... but this really dosen't pertain to your application and we should .... we're gonna for the record we'll go out and look at it ourselves in spite of the fact that Bay Constable has already been sent. MR. EDLER: I mean it is a confusing thing. I'm not squalking but they do have so many other headaches. So its sand is packed against one thing and your holding the base for a house that is a retaining wall and they did replace that retaining wall to the west TRUSTEE F~RUPSKI: Is the work c~L~pleted on that? MR. EDLER: There were fifteen or sixteen stays or sheathing when I reported it. They went narrowly on their way and finished it. TRUSTEEKRUPSKI: I wish we would have known about that when we went out on field inspection last week. MR. EDLER: That is why I mentioned it on Tuesday knowing that you were going to be in the field inspection. I think Mr. Muir contacted John. And John assumed that the Bay Constable was going down there. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I called Diane and in turn Diane called the Bay Constable. MR. EDLER: I know the specialty here is you get a permit and you don't pay attention to it, and then when you complete the work then (could not understand him). I think it can be solved with a good chain saw and a walk down the top of the bulkhead, in less than 40 minutes. TRUST~R KRUPSKI: Thank you. Take care. Is there anyone else who would like to speak in favor or against this application or these series of applications? Alright if there are no further co~,~ents, any board comments on that? I'll make a motion to recess the public hearing till next month's meeting. TRUSTEE. HOLZAFEL: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor? ALL AYES. TRUST~R KRUPSKI: I noticed some people just coming in. Are you here for the triple application by any chance? I noticed that Matt-A-Mar contract vendcc application. I asked Diane to notify all interested parties includes yourself there wouldn't be anything on the meeting tonight. CLERK DIANE: I did that. TRUSTEE F=RUPSKI: Recess it because it's still open. Alright we'll move right on. 5. 5. En-Consultants Inc., on behalf of ALAN CARDINALE requests a Wetland Permit to dredge an area approx. 30' X 100' to a maximum depth of 4' below ALW. Resultants 110+/ - c.y. of spoil will be deposited on previous upland disposal as indicated on site plan. Located: 1134 Bridge Cutchogue. SCTM %118-1-9. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the appticated? ROB HERRMANN: I~m here to represent Mr. Cardinale. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Good to scc you Rob. MR. HERMAN: Apparently one of the .... well I guess the primary issue from the last public hearing was proof of prior dredging Board of Trustees ~ 6 July 30, 1997 in the area. I'd spoken with both ALAN CARDINALE SR. & JR. this week and my understanding is that there on the lot.., the front lot is the first as you come through the channnel has bccn dredged multiple times and I think we actually .... the last time I was here a few years ago was when Wunneweta Pond Association .... basically when~nneweta finishes their dredging .... has bccn showing up real bad in front of that property and they would like to basically sort of complete in their opinion the Wunneweta Dredge Project. So all of the permits that I just handed to the board were all .... none issued to the C~rdinale property. They were all issued to the adjacent area W~nneweta Pond Association channel. The photograph that Diane had... I think Alan Jr. brought over today is just to show I don't remember what year that was from within the last 15 or 20 years where the old site was and it looks from Diane's drawing that they are looking to use the same location and that's not What the picture says. The picture and the sketch matches the cture to me in that same general area. RusT~R KRUPSKI: Can you show us? TRUSTEE: GARRRT.L: Yes. Because we were just out there last wcck and we unless I'm looking at the wrong thing it is possible. This is the area that you have on here on the map so there showing it to come up right aro~nd here. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They granted them a pelmit to put in a pool extra didn't they right out in front here? ROB: Yes. I think there w~ because that is showing on the revised share for a sw~,~ing pool. Yes their showing the same. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: According to your application this is where you want to put it. Back in the middle o~ the woods. ROB: And that is where Diane's pictures show too. Would you prefer that it come back out in this area? TRUSTEE Kt~UPSKI: Probshly the best area for it. It looks like this was previously a Wetland and it was dredged and filled that is was it looks like. ROB: See that would be difficulty for me i~ I was starting this from stratch that would be a picture perfect place for me as well so I'm not sure of what the .... TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I was thinking an area like this was once dredged would be pretty stable for years to come and that the dredge oil site would be replanted and that would be the end o~ it. ROB: Well apparently just after the last time Wunnewata went in and dredged Alan Sr. told me it shoaled up real bad in that area and they just want to continue through basically right in here. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think it would probably be best if it ran with the lagoon entrance dredging. ROB: I was gonna say if there was some way the two of them could combine. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Doesn't the county do the lagoon? Because that is public land. I thought the county would do t~e lagoon. No I understand they wouldn't do this, I 'm just saying I think the county would do the lagoon. ROB: So if the concern is to amend Board of Trustees ~ 7 ~ ~ July 30, 1997 the spoil site to document the previous site I don't think Alan would have a problem with that. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Just a concern if it moves over here we don't want it to build up. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There is not that much room back here. ROB: Well you have .... I mean is this mostly logic or is there a specific objection to the spoil site opposed? TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Well the Wetlands are right there. TRUSTEE GARRELL: You could put the spoils in the swimming pool. I mean this spoil site shows its right there. TRUSTRR KRUPSKI: What makes this look like dredge and fill is because there is a nice little Wetland area just like a reverse island. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Right. Okay. You're not gonna be dredging now anyway right. ROB: I don't think he was gonna start righ away. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I mean he could also put it to the side and dewater it and truck in away a few hundred yards. ROB: So if that is your feeling~ I'll talk to Alan and then I'll get back to you Diane but I don't think you'll have a problem with that. Like I say I'm not sure why that wasn't done in the first place. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This is Trustee bottom here? This is all public bottom. He'il have to pay for this. ROB: What are you're fees? Now is it ten dollars? CLERK: Ten dollars per cubic yard. ROB: Okay. Now those other fees they're only paid at the initial application? CLERK DIANE: Right.TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We're familiar with the site but that is not a considerable site he's got. Either he ham another site on the property or not that. He's got enough room to work there. He's really not constrained by he's got a piece of equipment in there anyway. ROB: Okay. Alright. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Let's just put all that in the file. No I don't think there is any rush on this so we could table this for a month? ROB: How do you want to handle it? Do you want an approval pending with the supervised plan? TRUSTEE, KRUPSKI: I'd rather table it because there is to many ways to go. Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor or against this application? Board you have anything else to add to it? I'll make a motion to table this. TRUSTEE GARRELL: I'll second it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Until next month. Just make a note the reason for the dredge spoil site. All in favor? All Ayes. 6. En-Consultants Inc., on behalf of MURIEL A, SCHWARTZ requests a Wetland Permit to contstruct 100 1.f. of timber retaining wall with 2 - 8' returns., and backfill with 60 c.y. of clean sand. Existing stairs and dock will be removed during construct of retaining wall and then replaced. NOTE: Applicant wishes to Amend this project to use stone rip-rap wall placed at the toe of the bluff instead of timber retaining wall as per new Bbard of Trustees ~ 8 ~.~ July 30, 1997 revised plans dated and received July 15, 1997. Located; 2425 Mill Creek Drive West, Southold. SCTM #51-6-40. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone here want to speak in favor of the application. ROB: On behalf of MURIRL A. SCHWARTZ. Diane I just wanted to pointed out there is an error in that discription that the plans are July 11, 1997 just so that is consistant. The last time the board met which regarded a project there had been originally a proposed timber.retaining wall landward of the spartina that stablized the bluff at which point the more sensible plan of using a rip-rap there was suggested when advised on the llth. The application still as proposed that would be changed to use stone if they wanted to tear up landward of the marsh rather than on the retaining wall. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor or against this application? Have you visited the site Rob? ROB: I saw Diane's pictures and then went down. I don't know if these are the pictures you have. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It's a pretty interesting spot. He did make an effort to remediate. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: It makes a lot more sense to have lights down there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That was our concern. Do I have a motion to close the hearing? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: So moved. TRUSTEE HOLMAPFEL: Second. ALL AYRES. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I'll make a motion that we approve the application to use stone rip-rap wall instead of timber retaining wall as the revised plan. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Second. ALL AYES 7. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This application has been tabled. 8. Proper-T Services on behalf of BARBARA THOMPSON requests a Wetland Permit to reconstruct an existing dock as a 4' X 30' fixed walkway, a 4' X 16' hinged ramp and a 6' X 20' float with 2 spiles to secure float. Locate: 1250 Luptcn Point Road, 'Mattituck. SCTM ~115-11-12. TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: Would anyone here like to speak in favor of the application? JIM FITZGERALU: I don't have anything to add to the application. TRUSTEE F~RUPSK!: Does the board have any questions? Is there anyone else who would like to speak on behalf or against the application? Do I have a motion to close the hearings? TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So moved. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Move to approve. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES 9. Proper-T Services on behalf of MICHAEL DI LEONE requests a Wetland Permit to replace 1- 16' section of bulkhead inkind/inptace and 1- 40' section, add a 4' X 6' platfozl~ floats and dredge an area approx. 4' X 35' to a depth of 4' below ALW, Board of Trustees 9 July 30, 1997 yielding approx. 15 c.y. of spoil. Located: 940 Tarpon Drive Southotd. SCTM ~57-1-10 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone here would like to speak in favor of the application? JIM FITZERGAL~: Again its all there in the application And I don't have anything to add. Be happy to answer your questions. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. We have notes from the CAC that reco~mL~end approval witch provisions. The question is whether the full scope of the project is necessary whether it could be downsized as far as the dredgin~ and floats go and whether also ..... something just came to my mind, the dredge spoil site is on the application. JAMES FITZGERALD: The dredge spoil would be used as back fill, for clay material that is behind the bulkhead now would be excavated and disposed of be replaced with the dredge material and the balance of the material would be (Can't understand rest of sentence). TRUSTEE KRUBKI: Any other questions? Does anyone have any co~uent on this application? TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: We talked about a 10' nonturf buffer. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Nonturf buffer with the applicant at our field inspection. MR. FITZGERALD: The applicant said yes and along the bulkhead and the area that was disturbed which is almost the whole length and we spoke which was ever appropriate for him. Do I have a motion to close the hearing? TRUSTEE ~: So moved. TRUSTEE KING: Second. ALL AYES TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I'll make a motion that we approved the application of MICHAEL DI LEONE' to replace 1 16' section of the bulkhead in condenplate with 40' section add a 4' X 6' platform attached to the bulkhead and a 4' X 16' ramp 2 5' X 20' floats dredging area approximately 4' X 35' 4' a depth of 4' below ALW and with the stipulation of there would be a 10' buffer along the new bulkhead replace bulkhead. TRUSTEE KING: Second. ALL AYES. 10. Proper-T Services on behalf of JAMES MILLER requests a Wetland Permit to install a metal sculpture on a platform situated over the end of an existing wooden groin on his property, one or two feet above ordinary high water supported bT 4 to 6 piles. Located: 1610 Paradise Point Landing, Southold SCTM $81-3-19.4 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the application? JAMES FITZGERALd: I represent Fir. Miller a~d if there is any questions I'm here to help in the application. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone else who would like to speak either on behalf of or against the application? ANN SMITH: I would like to speak against the application. My name is ANN SMITH and I~m a southern property owner of MR. MILLER'S. Not an ~ediate property owner about two properties down. My sister and I Ruth Meyer own propert~ and we foel that this sculpture which I believe which was described in the Bbard of Trustees ..... 10 July 30, 1997 Suffolk Times as 35' tall. Taller than most trees that are there now which were there over 100 years age as I know because the property we owned was the house was originally on it was built over 100 years ago in 1900 and most of those trees were little ones that started then or before that. You're talking about a structure that is going to stand out on the sand. I do believe that it was described as standing on the 8 X 8' platform and 8' wide and 8' long etc. We just feel that this is going to prove to be somewhat of a nuisance,but a nuisance to the south of us we have the Southold Town beach of which there are many many people who come and they are very welcome and they use it very niCely and so forth but I feel that this might be something that is going to draw these people up the beach not just summer and winter. Alright maybe just for a few years but those first few years its gonna proverather hard on all of those neighbors who own property south of this structure. And that is all about I have to say. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay. ANN SMITH: I also want to say it also gonna draw a lot of water traffic. There are a lot of families there with a lot of children that have now come and you can't always trust some of the bunk people if they don't know how to operate properly where a crowd of people. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just a brief answer to your co~ents ma'am. The land below main high water is state property and everyone in the state has a right to pass over~ that so whether this ..... Our concerns mainly are environmental concerns and what this structure is gonna have an impact on the environment we're looking at it as really as the same as we looked on it structure productive boats or any other structure that would be in that area. ANN SMITH: I believe you have a few letters also. TED WELLS: I'm a life long resident in Southold Town and I'm in favor of it. A little change in this town would never hurt anybody and it's not gonna impact as far as the board, because it's above the high water mark and as far as a little change in this town doesn't hurt. When somebody sees something different going up they get all panicking and I don't believe it's gonna hurt one thing so I'm in concern of the favor of it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Would anybody else like to speak? Does the Board have any comments? TRUSTEE GARRELL: Yes I do. What's the problem with putting the sculpture on the land instead of putting it on the bay bottom? JIM F: I think it's an aesthetic thing. TRUSTEE GAR~RLL: It seems to be a problem with some of the people. Aesthetically that's debatable. Who's the sculpture that did this? (Could not hear the name of the sculpture) TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The CAC tabled the application pending more details concerning the structure and the aesthetic value of the structure. I don't know if we want to vote on the aesthetic value of the structure TRUSTEE WENCZEL: No I don't think we can. Maybe it's misworded but it says. "situated on the edge of the existing groin on his Board of Trustees 11 July 30, 1997 property." Isn't the tie line for that property.., is at the bulkhead right? $o that beach is public property? JAMES FITZGERALU: The groin is not far beyond his property the end of the groin is on state property. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I thought from the survey .... maybe I misread it .... this is the bulkhead where the concrete wall and that's the tie line isn't it? J~/~ES FITZGERALd: Yes. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: So that the beach itself is not their property correct? JAMES FITZGERAT~: It would appear that way. T~USTEEW~NCZEL: Okay. I just wanted to clarify that. JAMR. M FITZGERALD: Although it doesn't say property line it shows it the correspondence in the baring. TRUSTEE GARRELL: So that's not their property? JAMES FITZGERALD: No it's the state's property. TRUSTEE'KRUPSKI: The board is Able to get past the sculpture for what it is and try focus on on the use of public property. I think that is the issue here and when you get into use of public property this is an unconventional use but is it ~nymore unusual then someone putting a dock out in front of their property on state property to moor a boat. It's a structure for the applicant's enjoyment. TRUSTRR GARRELL: The difficulty I have in concept A1 though is that a dock is largely two dimensional and squat. This is a vertical and you know t'm thinking of all the arguments that I hear about microwave towers and phone communications towers and wind generators and it's the vertical problem. It's not how .much bottom it sits on that's what bothers people to worry/ TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: When you went out there what advantage point did you look at it from? TRUSTEE GARRELL: I was looking at the pictures to scale. JAMES FITZGERALD: Can I just point out that with regard to the height of the sculpture which is 35' the height of the plug in that area is 25' above mean low water so that the sculpture is certainty~not higher than any of the trees that are on the bluff. And viewed from the bluff it's not gor~ua look like it's Sticking up in the air. And just in passing the.,.~ and only for the boards information in reference, the Towns Zoning Code exempts monuments, if you will, from height restrictions. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: I would just like to make one point. This application is for a Wett~nds Permit and when we issue a Wetlands Permit the code gives us a number of specific standards which we have to utilizedwhen we evaluat~ whether or not the Wetlands Permit is appropriate and I'd just like to confirm by this information read what those standards are. It says here that the trust~cs may adapt a resolution directing the issuance of a permit to perform operations applied for only if it determines that such operations will not subst~%tially a. adversely effect the Wetlands of the Town. b. Cause 8~mage from erosion terbidity or siltation, c. Cause saltwater intrusions into the freshwater resources of the Town, d. adversey d. Adversely effect fish, shellfish or other beneficial marine organism aquatic wildlife and vegetation of the natural Board of Trustees ~ 12 July 30, 19'97 habitation thereof· e. Increase ~he danger of floods or sto£m tide damage, f. Adversely effect the navigation on title waters where the title flow of title wa.erst in the town g. Chan e the course of any channel or natural/movement or flow of any water. h. weaken or undermine the lateral supDort of other lands in the vicinity, i. otherWise adversely effect the health safety and general welfare of the people of the town. I don't think the sculpture does any of those things and it doesn't say anything in here about aesthetic sensibilities which we all have.· There are a number of structures that were recently built on the bays of this town which are aestheticallyoffensive to me to say the least. It doesn't say anything in here about the use of public property. Although that is something that we have always, the Trustees, have always had to. consider. It's part of their job to p~eteot the public propert~ for the good or.the public, for the People of the town of Southold. I think when we make our ruling we have to go by the standards. TRUSTEE KRUPSK~: I would just li~e to make one other c~m~ent. Would it be possible .... well fLrst a question. How, because this isn'.t town property, this i~ on state properS, how have you applied to the state and how lfar has that gone? JA~ES FITZGERALD: I said a~ the same material that w~ applied to the DEC, Corp. of Enginc~rs and Depar h,ent of State also h~ been sent to the Office of Channel Services Bureau who are the owners of that strip of land on ~e open bay and I haven't heard anything yet. However, I did discuss it with the chief of the bureau several months ago and he seemed receptive to it. But I don't have a response yet to the actual su~uission. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay· Any other cu~,~ent from the public? Board? TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: This is just a question, it doesn't have anything to do with the application. But is that true of most applications that the trustccs aqt first before you get the others? That's just my own info~mation. JAMES FITZGERALD: No. It just happened that wa~. It's not intentional. TRUSTEE ~K~U~SKI: Any other comment? TRUSTEE GAttR~nE~: You want a wise~,ent? You know it's funny but in certain settings I can appreciate some very large sculptures. The caldors that wer~ up in Connecticut and dominated the highway off 1-84 fqr awhile, even in Utah there's a classic, there's a Smithson's Spiral Getty. But I have problems right now envisioning something as 35' sitting out in that bay. I know what the drawings show, but I don't know whether I could get used to that one. It sort of like some of the sculptures that I've heard... I guess were designed for the great plains or the prairies where you got these eno~m~ bison sitting out there with the wind blowing through it. I guess all I can say is I got problems with is. TRUSTEE WENCZEL: What is you problem? TRUSTEE GARRRLL: Where do you go! if we people decide that we're gonna make the bay a sculpture pa=k and we've got rim going up and down that bay with some lovely sculptures like this one. How is the town gonna take it? How is the town gonna look at it? I agree absolutely with the legality of it. I don't see Board of Trustees ~ 13 .~ July 30, 1997 how you can stop something like this on the basis of health and safety and welfare of the town. I mean Leon Brennan couldn't step out and do that. But I'm just kind of ruminating. I'm just kind of telling people what's going through my head right now. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: One comment please brief. MARK MILLEtt: I certainly advised because my father is a developer on the applicationbut it is ver~ interesting to listen to you sir. I recently read an article about sculpture and one in particular was constructed over 100 years ago and it was the most instrumental in creating derision in this community. Not this community, in this particular community where the bulkhead was built. So many people were opposed to this horrid structure which actually happened to be made of steel as well. And that structure wound up being the Eiffel Tower. And so many people today lacking in the aesthetic benefit, had people who thought that obtrusive tall structure was something so agast that it should never be constructed. It just counter balanced of what you are saying and t not sure anyone here has the foresight to determine what it is and what is not art. TRUSTEE GARRELL: Yes. A goedpoint. The Eiffel Tower... wasn't that in connection with the great world exposition, the Paris World ExpoSition? MR. MILLE~: Yes. Around the 1900's. TRUSTEE GARRELL: I have one more question. Could you just tell me a little more about the Basand or Roberto Julio BasSand the sculpture? MAPd~MILLER: Roberto was was born on Long Island and created some are work here on Long Island and is presently an artisan resident in Japanand he is under commission now to build an entire park filled with his large structures and that is what he does for a living and I was able to acquire this piece of art work where it was originally over in Port Jefferson and I believe it is extremely beautiful. I believe extr~L~ely environmentally sensitive and a statement that the people in Southold believe the bay belongs to the heron. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other brief co~m~nt? Do I have a motion to close the hearing? TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So moved. TRUSTEE: GARRELL: Second. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Want to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve the application of JAMES MILLER. TRUSTEE KING: Second. ALL AYES. 11. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of MARIAN FARAGUNA requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 6' X 30' float to an existing catwalk, ramp and float. NOTE: Applicant wishes to revise plans to show that the proposed float has be~n relocated so that it shall not be located any further seaward than the existing dock. Located: 5675 Skunk La., Cutchogue, telephone pole $50-5. SCTM ~138-2-10 p/o 19 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the application? Board of Trustees 14 _ July 30, 1997 GLENN JUST: I'm hear to represent MARIAN FARAGUNA. I just wanted to originally let the board know I had a pre-application conference at the site about a week in a half ago with TRUSTEE KING and and JOHN ALDRICH and I had made an error (Cannot understand any furthe~ information). TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay. We have a general policy of keeping everything under control basically that the structure go out no further than the neighbors. Because otherwise you will get that leap frogging effect in which you have no control. Now does that accomplish that? GLENN JUST: Yes it does. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Oh okay. Now another question. While we were out there.., and the reason I took the whole board out there... and normally I wouldn't because it's just down the road from me. But on a small project like this, but just recently within the last year we approved a structure along Skunk Lane. The lot was about 20' wide I think and we approved a very small catwalk because in the future I imagine there are a lot of small lots right along there on Mud Creek. We try to limit the size of the structures so everybody can get a real live catwalk like a 2' wide catwalk for their boat. Now who owns the property to the south of that betwccn two metal bulks? TRUSTEE GARRELL: There is like a ramp that looks like. GLENN JUST: According to the survey where the property to the south is owned by a MEILEN and to the north. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Do you know how wide that property is? GLENN JUST: No. MR. FARAGUNA: 25' It used to belong ..... (could not hear him.) I would not be over lapping here. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: our basic policy which again like I said doesn't fit this area because the properties are so narrow. It's to keep the structure 15' off the property line to give everyone a little more room to navigate. MR. FARAGUNA: BUt mine is .... TRUSTEE KRU~SKI: 15' from the property line. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: The dock is right near the edge. GLE/~N JUST: The dock on the survey shows its dead center on the property. I just picked up a clean copy up yesterday from Van Tuyl yesterday. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Oh good because I can't quite ....... GLENN JUST: I found it a little misleading too. But it shows tbs dock dead center of the middle of .... TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It doesn't show the bulkhead. Will the dock be redone? GLENN JUST: No. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It'll be just the floats that will be added to it? GLENN JUST: Right. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay. What I was thinking is some sort of provision placed on it that when the dock itself, which isn't new. GLENN JUST: I understand what you are saying. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is that when the dock is redone that it would be put in the middle of the property in a "T" formation so it Board of Trustees ~ 15 _ July 30, 1997 would serve the same purpose except that it gives the neighbors a little more breathing room. GLENN JUST: The neighbor to the south he has that dock sits right out about 25 or 30 feet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So who owns that little part betwccn the bul~ead? GLENN JUST: It shows the property line there, that there's a 5' jog off the monument and here is the projected property line. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Now you saying 15'? GLENN JUST: I' have to look at a tax map at the office. TRUSTEE~OLZAPFEL: The neighbors property that you sold. MR. FARAGUNA: The neighbors property right on the south side of me is 25' because it was sold before my property was acquired by me. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: That is what we were conce~ed ~bout. TRUSTEE K~UPSKI: That is MILE~'S boat and dock? MR. JUST: That's the dock, but t don't know who owns it. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Do you see the dock here? And that's right near...I mean to me that's the edge of the property. MR. FARA~JNA: No, it's not. The bulkhead on the south side is shared by him and myself. If you are considerinq what was intended to be ..... (changed tape) TRUSTEE HOL~APFEL: Okay because we thought that was the property line. So you own part of the other bulkhead on the other side of the ramp? That answers everlrthing, TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Now again why does it have to be 30' long? We try to minimize the amount of structure. GLENN JUST: It's just the length of the boat. The trustees policy is to make the boat fit the (cannot understand b~m) if there is plenty of depth in the waters. It's j~st a longer boat and that is the reason that was the one that w~ tied up when we were there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But I mean even with a 20' float would give you 26' of dock and that is a sheltered area. Would that be enough? Normally we prescribe a 6' X 20' for residential parcels so we would like to see that cut down to a 6' X 20' GLENN JUST: I explained that to Mr. Faraquna Jr. the son. And he asked me to ple~e try to scc if we could go to 30.' because it would be that much more acco, m~odating for the boat that he bought. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Norm~!ly we don't. Normally we stick to a 6' X 20' because again if you don't have some sort of qu~de line there is no limit somebody wants.a 6' X 40'. GLENN JUST: You can still put a 30' boat on it. TRUSTEE ~/{UPSKI: I would think so not 2.6 footer float. GLENN JUST: He can't speak tonight because he lives in Jersey. TRUSTEE EEUPSKI: For the most part our policy is a 6' X 20' for float because there has to be some constraint some limits of what can be built in the creek because it is public land. 20' usually gives people enough room to dock a boat. That is why we pick a standard size. You already have additional floats going out to it. So that's already an addition. MR. FARAGUNA: It's a re-a~range~ent sort of thing, beca~e we wouldn't go passed that point. Board of Trustees ~/ 16 July 30, 1997 TRUSTEE KRUPS~I: No I understand that but it's still bottom coverage and we still own the bottom. GLENN JUST: That is another thing AL, I just want to interrupt, according to this and I have to verify it, that its private bottom. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would disagree with that. So because it is our property we have to have some control, some limit on what's built there otherwise it .... there used to be a bridge further down actually. By the telephone pole. Further north there use to be a bridge you could drive right across the little neck. What I'm saying there has to be su~fie control over what's being built and that's usually our policy 6' X 20'. Any other comment? Board MR. FARAGUNA: If it has to be like that .... TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We treat everyone the same. MR. FARAG~NA: The re~on why we are requesting this is because my son bought a 30' boat. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, it's 26' actually if you add the other float onto it. MR. FARAGUNA: Your talking about adding next to it? MR. JUST: You have a 6' float that's there already, so 21' added to that 26'. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE: HOr.~APFEL: So move. TRUSTEE KING: Second. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I'll make a motion to be approved the application MARIANO FARAGUNA to construct a 6 ' X 20' float to an existing catwalk ramp and float as per the recent plan dated today the 29th of JULY. TRUSTEE KING: I'll second. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor? ALL AYRS. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The next two applications on FISHERS ISLAND~ we weren't able to get out to. Some of the board members are gonna go out next month and is it alright.if we t~ble this appticationuntil next month where the board members c~n inspect those more or less at our convenience? GLENN JUST: As far as FISHERS ISLAND COUNTRY CLUB there would be no problem with that what so ever TRUSTEE F~UPSKI: Because I looked at those and I really I was unfamiliar with them, I thought I had been there but I hadn't been. GLENN JUST: We looked at it 3 or 4 years ago. The same project had just died beoause of finances by the Country Club. Mr. King called me the-other d~y I couldn't recall if we looked at it or not the last trip over there. TRUSTEE KING: I looked through all my notes and I can't find neither one. TRUSTEE: KRUPSKI: I was there but your talking ~bout 1988 or 1989. Board of Trustees 17 July 30, 1997 GLENN JUST: '85 was the first time I was there. ' 88 I think was when we first did the first original permit. I had to start all over with them. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well we wouldn't be comfortable with pushing it along without seeing it. Okay. That is the reason we want to table it just because we couldn't get out the~ beca~e some of the members are going to be going out there with the town next month anyway. TRUSTEE Yd~3PSKI: I'll make a motinn to table the application of GEORGES HAWES and table the application to FISHERS ISLAND GOLF COURSE. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. 14. Dean Hough on behalf of JOE PILLUS requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 3~ X 3' platform off bulkhead with a 3' X 8' ramp and 2- 6' X 20' floats starting 15' from southern property line along bulkhead as per new drawing dated and received. May 20, 1997. Also to place split rail fence around Property. Located: 2280 Ole Jule Lane, Mattituck. SCTM ~122-4-t0 CLERK DIANE: Table this too, because he didn't give me the soundings. He told me he would come today and he didn't TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here representing JOE PILLUS? I'll make a motion to table the application for lack of c~mplete application. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. TRUSTEE Kt~UPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 15. Young & Young on behalf of JAMES DONOh~E requests a Wetland Permit to construct a single family dwelling, swimming pool, patio, etc., with no off-site fill required. LoCated: 230 Willis Creek Drive, Mattituck. SCTM ~115-17-17.9 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the application? KENNETH ABRUSO: Our client wishes to build a single family. swi~ing pool and a patio on a lot in upper view in Mattituck. For the record we have received a letter of non-jurisdiction from the DEC that I would like to put in the record. They have posted the application of posting and we also do have Suffolk County Department of ~eatthPermit to construct this house. I believe this application is completed if there is any question I'd be happy to answer. TRUSTE~KRUPSKI: Our major concern here .... we've bccn granting approvals in this area, I'd say about one a month, so we are pretty familiar with the area. Our only concern is for the buffer area. And we'd like to make it consistent with what the neighbor has to the north. CLERK DIANE: Both neighbors on that side have ..... TRUSTEE K~UPSKI: The reason for the .... we call it a non-disturbance buffer ..... and what it is is really gonna be a non-turf non-lawn area to prevent anything running into the creek. We're gonna make it consistence with what the neigbt~r has to the north there and also what the neighbor has to the Board of Trustees J 18 .... July 30, 1997 south. Basically you can clear the foliage for a view but you can't put a lawn in and you can't intentionally maintain it. MR. ABRUSO: You're talking about 25' non disturbance. Your looking at making it 50' non-fertilization buffer, is that correct? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Non-disturbance. MR. ABRUSO: But what your saying is we can clear it? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We want to clarify with the rest of the applicants in the neighborhood there. You can clear it to the point of...for visually, but you can't clear it with a bulldozer and disturb all the roots. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: We don't want all the trees knocked down. MR. ABRUSO: Any dying branches that come out and under b~h. TRUSTEE KRU~SKI: The underbrush certainly, until you get, again so you can ~et your view so you can clear it. But we don't want the soil cleared because then it will wash down into ~he crock. TRUSTEE GAPd~RLL: In other words what you're saying is that brush cutters, chain saws but no backhoe. TRUSTEE KRU~SKI: Right. Chain saw to clear it all. TRUSTEE H©LZAPFEL: We we just saying that you can take down branches for view but you can't cut down the trees. If there's undergrowth you can r~oveth~-~. MR. ABRUSO: Just one other issue. From the insurance stand point the trees may fall on the house in lieu of a hurricane .... TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don't know if you are that close. MR. A~RUSO: I don't know if it is an issue to be honest with you. I am just putting it out there for thought. TRUSTEE KRUP-SKI: No the concept cf .... the but that goes against the concept of the buffer zone anyway. I mean if there is a tree you. think is a danger of falling on the house certainly you can remove it. The concept of the buffer zone is so that people don't approach it if they had done historically which degrades the water quality in all the creeks. And we are trying to be consistenton all theses lots along ~h~t side of the creek. You are also allowed a path down to the water that's gravel or light stone. TRUSTEE GARRELL: There is no provisions for a dock or anything on this one? MR. ABRUSO: tt was not applied for at this time. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We've i~ued dock permits again in this little area. Take a look at what your neighbors have because that it pretty much what we!ll approve. You know the area is so small it's got to be something that is very limited. TRUSTEEKRUPSKI: Is there any other co~£~ent? Do I have a motion to close the hearing? TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: So moved. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second on that. TRUSTEE: GARRY.L: Second. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYE~ TRUSTEE' HOLZAPFEL: I'll make a motion to approve the application of JAMES DONOHUE to construct a single family dwell~ng, swi~,~ing pool, patio with a 50' non-turfed buffer. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: In this buffer area if you want to plant some sort of vegetation that you can plant something there you know Board of Trustees <_~ 19 July 30, 1997 you can put a hedge or whatever you find attractive but it just can't be cleared cut. TRUSTEE KIlqG: Second.TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. All Ayes. 16. PORT OF EGYPT & C&L REALTY requests a Wetland Permit to dredge as needed for navigation to a depth of a 5' below ALW. Approx. 100-200 c.y. of fill need to be removed and placed on owners property north of Route 25. Once spoil is dried it will be spread out resulting in an increase in elevation of about 1/2", replace rip-rap with concrete bulkheading and replace deteriorated wood~nbulkhea~ with concrete bulkheading, and install a travel life well in old boat canal. Main Road, Southold, 1/4 mile east of Bay Home Road at westerly entrance to Old Main Road, Southold, SCTM 956-6-3.2, 3.3, 3.4, & 6.1 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the application? MR. LEIBLEIN: The application speaks for itself. I understand that whatever I put in there will be the same height as the old bul~ead and (couldn't understand). TRUSTEE: KRUPSKI: How far have you gotten with the DEC with the this? MR. LEIBLEIN: The application is in. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They probably will want something more specific on that area don't you think? TRUSTEE KING: I imagine. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You might as well give it to us also you know something pretty specific. You know, detail that area. Give us a line drawing of what it is and a description of what you w~t it to be. That would be the best way. TRUSTRR GARRELL: You gonna have to do that anyhow for the DEC there is no doubt. TRUST~ KRUPSKI: I think ever!rthing else was pretty straight forward. MR. LIEBLEIN: Is it.possible that you would be given an approval with the exception of that stretch? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We could give it an approval based on receiving that. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL:What he is saying everything but that part. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I suppose. MR. LIEBLEIN: That is why I am looking with the DEC with some questions with them I'll ask them for the same. Right now the thing in my mind I want to get started on next is the travel lift so I'll have it for the fall. TRUSTEE KRU~SKI: Sure we could separate it out. MR. LIEBLEIN: If you could separate it with the exception of this one section until certai~ things are received I would appreciate that and then I'll say the same for the DEC. It will be a couple of years before I get to that but that is the lea~t. That will be the lowest priority. That will be the l~mt thing that we do. TRUST~.~ KRUPSKI: So we'll delete that. Any other comment? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: So moved. Ail in favor. Does anyone want to make a motion? ~oard of Trustees 20 ~i July 30, 1997 TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I'll make a motion that we approve the Wetland application of PORT OF EGYPT to dredge as needed for navigation to 5' below ALW to approximately 100-200 c.y. of fill need to be removed in place of the owners property once spoil is dried it will be spread out resulting in increase in evaluation of about 1/2" replace with proper concrete bulkhead and replace deteriorated wooclenbulkhead with concrete bulkheading, install a travel lift well in the old boat canal and except or section 910-11-12 on tbs survey presented on June 20. That's my motion. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI. Is there a second on that? No we need a second before we can discuss it. You want to discuss that motion? Or do you want it to go back to the application? TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Go back for one second. Perhaps we should ask for a settling pit for the stuff, you know, the paint that is washed off the bottom of the boat. I'm sorry we didn't think of that before. That is pretty common procedure to ask for a settling pit collection system for what you wash off a boat. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: We've done it on others that have come through. MR. LIEBELEIN: Early this year maybe early last year it was one of the boating marina's had an article on a whole bunch of different things that you can do. We went to the DEC for a pre-permit mooting with some big guy, Mr. Hamilton and his guys came out and looked over everything he said you are gonna have to handle this area, especially what you talked about. Not just the settling pit there but coming up with something that everyone would .... we want to do something to improve the environment. We have all clay. So it doesn't go down, it runs off ultimately. So the thought was to put in an 8" ring 4' deep that the stuff would ge into and then maybe have two more and water would go in and overflow into another and eventually go to the bay instead if going straight to the bay and then you can p~mp that out besides having a settling pit by the travelers well, would probably haul 15 or 20 boats with the traveler and would probably haul 300 boats with the forklift and there are a whole series of 'things on this list we already have a pumpout station. We went to the extreme of giving out free mitts to pickup doggie bags and permits I have the whole list of good ideas in there over the years next year a settling pit. I don't have a probl~ with that at all.. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay. TRUSTEE. HOLZAPFEL: This is just a question would it be more functional for you with the well? MR. LEIBLEIN: You want to have one there be~-~use power washing will take place, and we'll probabtywant to put another one in. The question is, when you have clay what's the best way to do it. TRUSTEE F~UPSKI: It's a geed design what you described. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I think Brick Cove has a good design too. What I'm saying is we can permit it with the same structureas... Board of Trustees 21 July 30, 1997 MR. LEIBLEIN: You permit it as saying either we put in a collection ..... that's fine. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But give us a diagram of that .... what your gonna put in, so we have it on file. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Diane add at the end there a settling tank for the wash down area. TRUSTEE KING: Second. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE GARRELL: I'll recuse myself, I'll abstain. All in favor. ALL AYES.. 17. LEO OLSEN requests a Wetland Permit to remove locust trees, replace with other, repair catwalk, (level land replace some) repair retaining well and hand rail along dock, put a 20' non-turf area along b~lkhea~, remove topsoil to sand fill with recycled concrete top with stone and or wooden walkway, distribute top soil where needed, grade l~nd, install covered driveway, install 6' high fence along rear property line, plant grass and plants & landscaping. Located: 3590 Main Road, Greenport. SCTM $35r4-28.12 TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Table. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Make a motion to table the new application. All in favor. ALL AYES. Do I have a motion to go back to the regular meeting? We'll skip through the agenda to take care of people with specific things just so you don't have to sit hear for the rest of the evening. VII. MOORINGS: 5. JAMES CONWAY requests an off-shore mooring in Laughing Waters Corey Creek for a 16' row boat. ACCESS: Public. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I'll make a motion that we approve the request for a mooring in Laughing Waters by JAMES CONWAY for a 16' rowboat and Bay Constable should proper location. TRUSTEE KttUPSKI: Is there a second? TRUSTEE KING: Second. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. V. P~SOLUTTONS: 1. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of GINO SCARTOZZI requests a Grandfather Permit for an existing 5' X 34.5' dock-and Amend the Grandfather Permit to remove 7' from the s~award end to install a 3' X 12' ramp and a 6' X 20' float. Located: 1080 Deep Hole Drive, Mattituck. SCTM $115-12-15 TRUSTEE GARRELL: Approve. TRUSTEE KING: ALL SECOND, TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. 2. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of MARY KERRIGANrequests a GrandfatHer Pezmit for an existing catwalk and fixed dock and to Amend the Grandfather Permit to realign this dock with a 2' X 12' ramp, a 6' X 6' float and a 5' X 24' float. Located: 630 Riley Ave., Mattituck. SCTM $143-5-12 Board of Trustees 22 .~ July 30, 1997 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I'll make a motion to table the application. TRUSTEE: GARRELL: Second. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. CLERK DIANE: Until new drawings. TRUSTEE: HOLZAPFEL: What was the other one? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you want to make a motion? TRUST~. KING: I'll mak~ a motion. CLERK DIANE: To approve. TRUSTEE KING: To approve. CLERK DIANE: To approve the new drawings. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 4. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of LEMTER EIS~G requests as Amendment to permit #4730 to construct a 4' X 20' extension onto the landward and of the fixed dock. Located: 925 Long Creek Drive, Southold. SCTM $55-3-27 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You want to make a motion? TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: I'll make a motion to approve the application of LESTEREISENBE~G 4' X 20' extension on to the landward~ 1. Costello Marine on behal~ of DR. T.J. MC DONOUG~reqw~ts an Amendment to Permit 94596 to construct a low profile vinyl interlocking reta~ngng wall 2' ~hove the existing grade instead of rock revetment. Located: 675 Cedar Be~h Drive West, Southold. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: We don't have a drawing. They never sent a drawing. CLERK DIANE: They never sent a drawing. Table it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay. Make a motion to table 91. 2. Stephen. Galen on behal~ of JACK DWYER requests a Waiver to construct a 12' X 20' addition on north west frum of existing house'and a i5' X 15' patio mad~ up of patio block set in sand at rear of house facing water where patio door is locaked. Located: 2625 Bayshore Road, Greenport. SCTM 953-4-21 TRUSTEE GARRELL: Approve. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES 3. J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of ROYSTON P. RIND requests an Amendment to Perr~it 93623 to construct a 4' X 75' extension to an existing catwalk landward which sh~ll be a minimum of 4' above grade of marsh. NOTE: Applicant wishes to also add 2- 6' X 16' floats to form an "L" formation. Located: 1375 Meday Ave., Mattit~k. SCTM 9113-9-4 TRUSTEE GARP~T~L: approve to add 16' to fixed dice and 1 float and 75' landward. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES 4. J.M.O. Consulting on behalE of LESTER EISEN~EP.G requests an Amendment to permit ~4730 to construct a 4' X 20' extension onto the landward end o~ the fixed dock. Located: 925 Long Cre~=k Drive, Southold. SCTM 955-3-27 TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Approve TRUSTEE WENZCEL: Second ALL AYES Board of Trustees ~ 23 July 30, 1997 5. Robert Brown on behalf of Dan Christianscn (Trustee) requests a Waiver for renovations to an existing house and porch. Located: 1220 Deep Hole Drive, Mattituck. SCTM ~115-12-17 TRUSTEE G~/~qELL Approve TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second ALL AYES 6. THEODORE C. MARTZ, JR. REQUEETS AN EXtension for payment of permit S4718 for a 4' X 30' catwalk, a 3' X 20' ramp and a 6' X 20' float. Located: 500 Jackson's Landing, Mattituck. SCTM ~113-4-7 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Approve TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second. ALL AYES. 7. Garrett A. Strang on behalf of RUSSELL & JOAN MANN Request a Waiver to construct a one story addition approx. 180 a.f. to the east side of an existing dwelling. Located: 1875 Calves Neck Road, Southold. SCTM $70-4-48 TRUSTEE GARRELL: Approve hay bales place during construction. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second ALL AYES 8. DOMINICK SEC~RETE requests a Waiver to construct an 18' X 36' pool as indicated on survey. Located: 42710 W~nneweta Ro~d, Cutchogue. SCTM 9111-14-22.1 TRUSTRR KRUPSF~: Approve drywell, and back wash for pool landward of pool. ALL AYES. 9. GERARD H. SCHULTHE. IS requests an Amendment to Emergency Storm Damage Permit to repair and stabilize access road, bank, and property with marine mattresses, stone and plantings as rec~Im~endation and amended plans of DEC on 6/20/97. Located: 1640 First Street, New Suffolk, SCT~ $117-5-44, 46.3 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Approve TRUSTEE KING: Second ALL AYES 10. JAMES WEEDEN requests a Waiver to erect a 300+ split rail fence along property line and a Transfer of Permit S4501 from Eleanor S. Nohe of a Grandfather Permit for a 55' wooden bulk/%ead and 1~ 1/2' X 10' dock. Located: Bridge Lane, Nassau Point, Cutchogue. SCTM 9118-2-16.2 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Approve TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Second TRUSTEE KRI~PSKI: Approve Transfer TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Second ALL AYES. 1I. STEPHEN MITCHELL requests an Amendment to Permit $4201 to widen existing stairs to 4' wide, add a 6' X 9' platfolm and a 4' X 4' platform, at bottom to bulkhead. Located: 7132 Indian Neck Lane, Peconic. SCTM $86-7-8 TRUSTEE-GAR~Rr~L: Approve TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second ALL AYES 12. NEIL MC GOLDRICK requests an Amendment to Permit $4397 to add 2- 4'-X 8' lattice sections to ~n existing fence. Loca~: Private Road off NEW Suffolk Ave., Mattituck. SCTM $116-4-4-.16 Board of Trustees ~ . 24 July 30, 1997 TRUSTEE WENCZEL: Approve provided they are marked on survey. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second ALL AYES 13. UGO POLLA requests a TranSfer of ownership of a floating dock and walk previously owned by Charles R. E~ler. Located: 1345 Corey Creek Lane, Southold. SCTM 978-4-21 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: approve transfer and that this is a one time transfer and put on a survey a~d decisinn~ TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second ~LL AYES 14. WILLIAM PAPPAS requests a Waiver for a split rail fence along property'. Located: 81 Beverly Road, So~t~old. SCTM ~52-2-14 Don to violate him Need separate application for other property. VII. MOORINGS: 1. RICHARD CANTWELL requests a mooring for a 12' X 32' barge in Narrow River to be used for oyster growing operation. ACCESS: Public or SouthEast of ~9 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Approve TRUSTEE GAR~.T.L: Second ALL AYES 2. DEREK WIGLE¥ requests a mooring in Mattituck Inlet for a 27' inboard. ACCESS: Private own proper~t TRUSTR~ KRUPSKI: Table until we find out how he accesses. ALL AYES 173-,FREDEP~CK E. GLASSER~--~REQUESTS A MOORING IN Goose Crock for 1 outboard with 150 lb, mushro~,. ACCESS: Private TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Table ~d Inspect TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second ALL AYES 4. BOB GAMMON requests a 6' X 8' Duck Bl~nd in Richmond Creck ACCESS: Public TRUSTEE GARRELL: Table TRUST~. KRUPSKI: Second ALL AYES 5. JAMES CONWAY requests an off-shore mooring in Laughing Waters Corey Creek for a 16' row boat. ACCESS: Public 50 lb. mushroom. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: ApproveTRUSTEEWENCZEL: Secnn~ ~T.T. AYES 6. ANN & ROBE~THOLZER request a transfer of Permit 9271 which is an onshore/of-shore stake that was in her mothers name., Geraldine Berge, for a 14' alumgnum row boat in Corey Creek. ACCESS: Public TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Approve TRUSTEE GARRELL: Second 7. WILLIAM PROVENCR~R requests an off shore mooring for a 14' outboard in Arshamomoque Pond. ACCESS: Private TRUSTEE'~.T.: Approve R~moveboatb~Dec. 1st TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second ALL AYES Board of Trustees ~J 25 ~ July 30, 1997 8. JAMES M. O'KEEFE requests an off shore mocring for a 9' 4" outboard with a 50 lb. mushrou~L, in Arshamomoque Pond. ACCESS: Private TRUSTEE WENCZRL Approve remove by Dec. tst. TRUSTEE HOLZAPFEL: Second ALL AYES MEETING ADJOURNE~AT 10:30 P.M. RECEIVED AND ~LED BY THE SOUTHOLD TOV~N CLERK Town Clerk, Town o~ Southold