HomeMy WebLinkAboutTR-11/21/2000Albert J. Krupski, President
James King, Vice-President
Henry Smith
Artie Fester
Ken Poliwoda
Town Hall
53095 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631) 765-1892
Fax (631) 765-1366
PRESENT WERE;
BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MINUTES
Tuesday, NoVember 21, 2000
Albert J. Krupski, Jr., President
James King, Vice-President
Artie Foster, Trustee
Henry Smith, Trustee
Kenneth Poliwoda, Trustee
Charlotte Cunningham, Clerk
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
NEXT FiELD INSPECTION: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 at 8:00 a.m.
TRUSTEE KING moved to Approve,
TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded. ALL AYES
NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 at 7:00 p.m.
WORKSESSION; 6:00 p.m.
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve. TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES
APPROVE MINUTES: Will review Minutes of September 20, 2000 and October 25, 2000 at
the December 20th meeting:
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to review the minutes. TRUSTEE FOSTE1Lseconde& ALL AYES
MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustee monthly report for August 2000. A check for
$4,794.08 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office for the General Fund.
II.
PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board
for review.
III. AMENDMENTS/WAIVER CHANGES:
SUSAN OIESTAD requests a One Year Extension to Permit #4853 to construct a
fixed timber dock consisting of a 4'x56' catwalk, a 4'x14' ramp at landward end, a
4'x12' hinged ramp and a 6'x20'float secured by 2-9" pilings. Located: 2200
Broadwaters Road, Cutchogue SCTM#104-9-4
TRUSTEE SMiTH moved to Approve the application with the stipulation that this
would be the last extension. TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES
DAVID WIRTZ requests a Waiver to renovate existing swimming pool and
replace patio. New coping, new tile, new plumbing and add drywell. Located: 245
Pine Place, East Marion SCTM#37-4-13
TRUSTEE POLIWODA moved to Approve the application with the stipulation to
include pool discharge basin also needs cross section to show no changes. TRUSTEE
SMITH seconded. ALL AYES
Catherine Mesiano on behalf of DOUGLAS BRADFORD request a
Waiver to extend existing deck and construct second story addition to existing
residence. Located: 3705 Bayshore Road, Greenporr SCTM#53-4-21 TRUSTEE
FOSTER moved to deny the request for a Waiver and that an application for a full
permit be applied for.. TRUSTEE SMITH seconded ALL AYES
Ongioni & Boswell on behalf of AQUAVIEW HOMEOWNERS ASSOC. INC. c/o
WILLIAM G. GEROSA requests a Waiver to install a temporary "barrier" type
fence with sign on west and east property lines of the Aquaview Homeownes
Associations, Inc. The homeowners association wishes to install iron stanchions with
a light chain linking each stanchion from Memorial Day to Labor Day. Suspended
from each chain will be a sign that stated "private property" Located: 415-425
Aquaview Road, East Marion, NY SCTM#21-2-6
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to table that request until we get the survey.
TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded. ALL AYES
William H. Mann on behalf of CHARLES BOCKLETT requests an Amendment to
Permit #4428 to replace water damaged floor with poured concrete and footings to
support (4) posts supports (beachside) and enclosure of already present support main
house wall then 11'6"x22' floor size with 26" knee walls 2x4 and 4 windows/screens
enclosure ofporeh with barbeque pit east wall 2'xl 1 '8" with roof size of 13'x23'will
stay same size to simple repair of deck flooring to support roof, columns, and
enclosure of porch. Located: 1295 Robinson Lane, Peconic. SCTM#98-05-02,03,04
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve the application. TRUSTEE FOSTER
seconded ALL AYES
Donald Feller on behalf of DINA MASSO requests a Waiver to install new 2na floor
addition above existing one-story residence. Located: 5705 Nassau Point Road,
Cutchogue, SCTM#111-13-4
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to approve a Letter of Non-Jurisdiction
Land Use on behalf of JAMES DONAHUE requests an Amendment to
Permit #5213 to construct a 4'x42' dock with access stairs and aluminum ladder, and
a 4' wide wood chip access path from the lawn to the dock. Install one (1) 6"
diameter pilings for a piling-pulley system. Located: 230 Willis Creek Drive,
Mattituck SCTM#115-17-17.9
TRUSTEE KING moved to Approve the application. TRUSTEE SMITH seconded
ALL AYES
Samuels & Steelman Architects on behalf of TOM & SUSAN MERIAM requests a
Waiver to add 22 s.f. addition to north-east comer ofrear deck w/relocated stairs, and
re-work of first and second floors. Located: 1335 Marratooka Road, Mattituck
SCTM#115-11-26
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve the application. TRUSTEE KING
seconded. ALL AYES
En-Consultants on behalf of ROBERT PALMER requests an Amendment to Permit
#5205 that the armor be placed at the seaward toe of the structure and the balance of
bluff face be planted with beach grass. Located: 9204 Bridge Lane, Southold
SCTM#73-2-3.6 TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve the application. TRUSTEE
KING seconded. ALL AYES
10. En-Consultants, Inc on behalf of URBAN LANGUAGE CO. LLC
request an Amendment to Permit #5204 that the armor be placed at the seaward toe
of the structure and the balance of the bluff face be planted with beach grass. Located
9206 Bridge Lane, Cutchogue SCTM#73-2-3.3 TRUSTEE SMITH moved to
Approve the application. TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES
11.
En-Cpnsultants Inc. on behalfofWUNNEWETA POND ASSOC.
requests a one year extension to Permit #4994 to expire January 21,2001 to dredge a
20'x170' area in channel to max. depth of 4' below ALW, and approx. 375 c.y. of
spoil be spread evenly over irregularly shaped area on adjacent prop. Southeast and
a 10 year maintenance permit for this project. Located: Bridge Lane, Cutchogue
SCTM#118-1-11 TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve the application for a one
year extension. TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to go off the Regular Meeting and onto
the Public Hearings. TRUSTEE SMITH so moved. TRUSTEE POLIWODA
seconded ALL AYES
PUBLIC HEARINGS;
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING
APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS
ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT
OF PUBLICATIONS FROM THE SUFFOLK TIMES PERTINENT
CORRESPONDENCE MAY BE READ PRIOR TO ASKING FOR
COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
PLEASE KEEp YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRIF. F
FIVE (5) MINUTES OR LESS IF POSSIBLE
DONNA WEXLER requests a Wetland Permit to replace and reconstruct 4'x10'
staircase top of bulkhead and 4'x16' stairway from bulkhead to beach and construct new
10" high wood patio on lawn at top of stairs to fill in space by rosa rugosa 10'x17'.
Located 200 Castle Hill Road. Cutchogue SCTM#72-01-1.6
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor
of or against the application?
CAC recommends approval. In our policy statement that is handed out with every new
application it clearly states no deck on top of the bluff and I spoke to the applicant and he
understood that. Because it is right there in the policy commitment that is the only thing
that I had a problem with.
TRUSTEE SMITH: He can put in flag stone We can approve this.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Close the hearing.
TRUSTEE SMiTH: I make a motion to close the hearing on DONNA WEXLER.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion that we approve DONNA WEXLER
request for Wetland Permit to reconstruct a 4xl 0 staircase at the top of the
bulkhead and a 4'x16' stairway from bulkhead to beach and not to construct a
10" high ;vood patio and lawn on top of stairs.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of LISA EDSON requests a Wetland Permit to
construct on pilings a one-family two story dwelling, deck and swimming pool
install a pervious driveway and sanitary system, place approx~ 850 cy of sand fill,
establish a 30' non-disturbance buffer adjacent to tidal wetland boundary and connect to
public water and other utilizes. Located: 9326 Main Bayview Road, Southold
SCTM#87-5-25
POSTPONED UNTIL DECEMBER AS PER THE AGENT'S REQUEST
Eh-Consultants, Inc. on behalfofSTRONG'S MARINE, INC. requests a
Wetland Permit to remove and replace (in-place) +/- 268 linear ft. of existing
Timber bulkhead with vinyl sheathing. Dredge by clamshell bucket came up to
20' of bulkhead to a maximum length of-4'6" ALW. Approx. 200 cy of clean
sand will be trucked from an upland source and used as backfill. Located: Camp
Mineola Road, Mattituck SCTM#122-9-6.2& 122-4-44.2
POSTPONED UNTIL DECEMBER AS PER THE AGENT'S REQUEST
4. ROBERT CHILTON requests a Wetland Permit to construct a single family
dwelling 50' from the bulkhead, over-cut between 10-12' for foundation (63- 65' from
bulkhead) No cesspools with 75' Located: 1165 Blue Marlin Drive, Southold SCTM#57-
1-13
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the application.
ROBERT CHILTON: It is my application here. The reason that I want the 50 feet.
h~stead of the 75 feet. Is to conform with the line up of the dwellings on either side. One
is basically 32 feet from the bulkhead. The other is 64 feet. So I will be right in the
middle.
TRUSTEE KUPSKI: Is there any other comments in favor or against the application?
The CAC recommends approval with a non-turf buffer behind the bulkhead. Any other
comment. Artie.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: No, I have no problem with it.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion to close the public hearing on ROBERT
CHILTON.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYRES.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion to Approve the request for a Wetland Permit
for a single family dwelling, 50' from bulkhead over-cut between 10-12' for foundation
(63-65' from bulkhead). No cesspools within75' located at 1165 Blue Marlin Drive,
Southold. The only request that I would make that we have a 20' buffer in front of the
bulkhead and the roof run-off would run into dry wells.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We get hay bales placed in front during construction.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES.
WILLIAM & MARY FERGUSON requests a Wetland Permit to square out
North comer of house, increase sq. footage of house approximately 160 sq. ft. install
cellar under front of house (18.3'x12.6') and construct portico at front of entrance
(4.8'x6,2') Located: 220 Lake Terrace, East Marion SCTM#31-09-06
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI8: Is there anyone here would like to speak in favor of the
application?
BILL FERGUSON: I am Bill Ferguson, if you have any questions? I also have the
affidavit of postings.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: We need that bring that up.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone else like to make a comment on this application?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I inspected that and I did not see any problem with it. Everything
is on tbe landward side of the house. All of the construction is on the landward side of
the house and I see no problem with it at all.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you want to make any conditions on that.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: You know the property is 16 feet wide and the house is 15 feet
wide. So I do not think that you really have much room for any mn-off there. There is
no construction going on the lake side of the house is there?
BILL FERGUSON: No.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: There is no room to put anything in there. Any hay bales.
Although you could put some hay bales between the fence on either side and the house
in case there is the land does pitch that way. But I see no problem with it.
I make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I will make a motion for WILLIAM & MARY FERGUSON to
approve Wetland Permit to square out north coruer of house increase square footage of
house approximately 160 s.f. install cellar under front of house (18.3'x12.6') and
eonstmct portico at front entrance located 220 Lake Terrace East Marion SCTM31-09-06
with a row 0fhay bales in between both sides. On the lakeside of the construction.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
Catherine Mesiano on behalf of JOHN WOLLEBEN requests a Wetland Permit to
construct in-ground pool 75' from wetlands and patio 4-6" around perimeter of pool,
fencing, partial clearing of area associated with pool fence patio installation. Drywell
installed at easterly end of pool. Located: 705 Bridge Lane, Cutchogue SCTM#118-2-8
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any one who would like to speak in favor of the
application?
CATHERINE MESIANO: On behalf of the applicant. Dr. and Mrs. Wolleben bought
this property about a year ago. We have been working on this projectsince early Spring.
We came ro the trustee's earlier in the year. We received the DEC letter on jurisdiction
on June 6th. June 14th I obtained a letter of disapproval for the proposed pool from
Building Department. Which I then submitted an apphcation to the ZBA and on
September 14th. I received a variance from the ZBA for the pool in the proposed
location. I immediately went for an application since your change in jurisdiction. That
the project now before you will need a Trustee permit. The pool is proposed 75 feet from
the wetlands. The fence is proposed pursuant to regulations. We are proposing of
cleating an area not more than 20 feet around the area of the pool and then re-vegetate
the plantings beyond that area toward the road. If you have any questions I will be
happy to answer them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would not rather see any clearing further than the front of the
house. Give then almost 20 feet.
CATHERINE MESIANO: Accessibility approximately twenty feet on that side. Then
around the pool.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure, are there any other comments on this application?
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion to close the public hearing on John Wolleben.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a motion to Approve the application of JOHN WOLLEBEN with the
condition that no clearing for the project be done on the westerly side of the
water side of the house. They can clear up to the front of house on the waterside.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will seconded it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor.. ALL AYES
7. STEVEN FABB requests a Wetland Permit for 2 floats 6x16.5" connected at
middle to make overall 6'x32'10" ramp 21'10"x3' fixed dock 67'8"x4' with 2 steps at
beginning, floating dock has 4 piles, fixed dock has 14 pilings. Located: 1925 Naugles
Drive, Mattituck SCTM#99-3-5
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would any one like to speak in favor of the application?
STEVEN FABB: I have some pictures and some paper work I would like to show you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure.
STEVEN FABB: There was some question of the size of the dock? The two properties
next to me have large docks as well. There are areas larger than the one that I put in for
the permit. All the docks are either old or their permits are old for them. I was unable to
find many old surveys with the sizes on them. But just to show you that there are large
docks in that area. This particular area of the water is actually large enough to feasible
allow boat traffic to not be problem. The area next to me has a ten by over thirty foot or
maybe even forty foot and the guy next to him is even larger. They are actually on a
narrower part of the water body. So basically the 6x32 foot ten inch dock isa lot smaller
than the surrounding docks. I do not have any old surveys to prove the dock size, but I
would like you to consider being that everyone else docks are larger and the property is
larger. It is not also zoned,for just one house. The next door properties are zoned for
residential one family. So that is pretty much what I have here I just wanted to show you
the pictures to bring you up-to-date, This is the description of the property, showing that
it is not only a single family residence like these two properties next to me.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is a camp or bungalow property class. I have never heard that
before.
STEVEN FABB: Not to show that it is not a single dwelling.
It was updated today. I do not have any proof that it existed a long time ago. If you
notice on the pictures also one of the neighbors had mentioned that his dock was suppose
to be 15 feet from the property line. Which in fact if you do notice in those pictures it is
equal distance from mine to the property line which is approximately 7 or 8 feet. Which
clearly shows in that picture there. Which he had brought up last time. Which is
irrelevant to this, and the dock next to his on the other side is also about the same
distance apart that is. They are both less than 15 feet apart all together, so they have no
problems momering as it is now.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We will take any comments first. Are there any other comments
on this application?
NEIGHBOR: Camp or bungalow is a kind description of that property. Basically it is a
commercial enterprise. As you know the strictest standards that are residential own on
that dock, because basically the dock is going to become another commercial enterprise.
There are probably no permits or surveys for that dock, because there were probably
never any requested and probably just slapped up. I still hold by the standards. This
dock right now is probably a foot offmy property line.
STEVEN FABB: I have pictures here that show the distance. Are equally between the
two property lines.
NEIGHBOR: You guys were at the property did you submit a survey marked on the
beach. The float sitting in the wetlands anchored up on ropes. Or were they on the
pilings?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No they were on the pilings. They were out in the water when
we were there.
NEIGHBOR: If you saw that than the cement marker and the imaginary line.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Where are the floats presently?
STEVEN FABB: They are up on the sand. I took them out of water for the violation that
I received for not having a permit so I decided instead of getting other violations I would
take them out of the water. To prevent any more violations fi:ombeing issued.
NEIGHBOR: They are in the water anchored on ropes on the wetland.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I need to advise you to pull them up-land or have them remove
fully.
STEVEN FABB: They are out of the water up near the grass.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Are they on the grass?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Above the wetland fringe.
NEIGHBOR: If you look at his beach it is getting eroded, starting to come over
to my property.
STEVEN FABB: The commercial property next me is approximately 6x200 feet
so if he wants to call my dock a commercial, either way it is not m (tape change)
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think our comments, the Board's comments. Do you
want to make a comment?
TRUSTEE KING: We looked at it and we agreed as a whole Board agreed upon
a 6x20,
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The standard size for residential is 6x20~ Anything more
would be unreasonable, h~ the past docks were approved at a larger size. But we
can see no reason to keep repeating that mistake. We try to correct mistakes of
the past. So we would not approve of large structure. Because a neighbor has it.
STEVEN FABB: Another reason being that I have kept mine closer to the land
so that I can put floats on the outside and not create a problem with boats
bottoming out on grass. What a 6x20 can only fit one boat, on the
Outside.
TRUSTEE Ki~ .UPSKI: That is the constraint of the property. We cannot physical
change the property.
STEVEN FABB: It is understandable but it is understandable also that it would
take may be two boats over there. The property to share two boats such a small
dock is very difficult to do.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What we are talking about here is Town owned property.
The structures are out over Town owned property. That is why, there are two
reasons for limiting the size of dock and the float, and one is Town owned
property, public property. Second is one for environmental reasons. That is why
we bruited~ the size of new floats to 6x20. I do not think the Board had a problem
with the location of the catwalk, with the location of the float.
TRUSTEE KING: No
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI. We will just approve it. So we recommend that you
place it with either one of your two existing floats. I would rather give you a
permit for a 6x20 float, in case of you having to replace your existing float. You
could replace it without a further permit with a 6x20.
STEVEN FABB: So that existing float I can use it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You can use one of them. You can use two 2x16 so you
can use one of 6x16 if you wish to. Or you can replace it with a 6x20
STEVEN FABB: So you are not going to issue any permits for what is already
built?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is correct. As far as I know we have not voted on it.
Any other comment?
TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a motion to close the heating on STEVEN
FABB.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
Would someone make a motion?
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion to deny in the name of STEVEN FABB for
the float part of the application 2-6x16-1/2 floats and allow a one-6x20 float and
the ramp and catwalk.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
STEVEN FABB: I can store as many boats as I want on a 6x20 ifI want.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No. Town Code allows you two boats other than your
own.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Regardless of how many floats you have.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Even if you have a hugh structure. You can only have two
boats other than your own.
STEVEN FABB: Okay.
8. Samuel s & Steelman Architects on behalf of JOE & JUDY ZALNER requests a
Wetland Permit to construct a 120 sq. ff. addition to S.E.. comer of house, rework first
and second floor plan, use existing interior first floor area for single car garage. Located:
705 Broadwaters, Cutchogue SCTM#114-10-2.1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any one here who would like to speak in favor of the
application?
TOM SAMUELS: Good evening. Myname is Tom Samuels on behalf of the applicant.
If you have any questions and also to add that the addition in this case is in a location
which is quite away further from the wetland than the existing portions of the house are.
It is located over a deck. Basically we designed it (cannot understand).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is this a new owner?
TOM SAMUELS: Yes, he was also here tonight.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Let me just take other comments? Are there any other
comments on this application for or against? I have looked at this the rest of the
Board did not~ Right now the site is a low impact onthe environment. It sort of
casually maintained their gardens in the front here, bythe water. This little pond
here some body years ago. They removed all the vegetation the wetland
vegetation from the edge it looks like a cobber side stone all along the little inlet
here. I think what we want here is a control that will keep the non-impact
component in tact.
TOM SAMUELS: We were willing to remediate that shoreline to the extent..
You say there was cobblestone.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not want to see a new lawn nmning down to it. It is
very close, and it has all been disturbed. It is like patios. Right down to the waters
edge. Would they be agreeable to no turf on the patio side on the side of house I
guess you would call it the south side of the house.
JOE ZALNER: I am Joe Zalner, I am the owner. We would be agreeable with
any kind of vegetation along the perimeter of the inlet that you wanted. We are
trying to maintain and upgrade the property.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We would like to see some sort. If you are going to plant
anything so sort o£native planting. But non-turf planting betwveen the house and
the inlet.
JOE ZALNER: After the house is constructed, we intend to get a landscaper in
and have this done on the property. Which is whatever is environmental correct
at that time.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Then I guess it might be easier to put a condition on the
permit. That you submit the plan to the Board before you proceed with that.
JOE ZALNER: With the landscaping plan?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I also had a question on the grade. The grade is going to
change is they're going to be any excavation work. I thought I saw something on
this.
TOM SAMUELS: We may need to near the bulkhead for the fenina regulations.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not know if you can put drywells in there.
Thank you. Do I have a motion to close the heating?
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a motion to Approve the application with the condition that before
any kind of grading or landscaping is done. That the applicant shows the plan for
approval to the Board.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
Samuels & Steelman Architects on behalf of DAVID & KATRLEEN KILBRIDE
requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 2800 sq. ft. 2 story residence with pool.
Located: 9045 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue SCTM#118-04-14.1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any one who would like to speak in favor of the
application?
TOM SAMUELS: Tom Samuels on behalf of the owners. Only to say again I am
here to answer questions, but asfar as this house and pool application. It is
greater than 75 feet obviously from wetlands and the bulkhead. That we are set
back behind the houses on either side. Our house is located 150 feet back. But
the pool is 84 feet from the wetlands.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We were amazed to find a building lot.
TOM SAMUELS; This family has owned this lot for a long time.
TRUSTEE KRLTPSKI; I might have a couple of questions for you. Are there any
other comments on this application? What about the grade? Any grade changes?
TOM SAMUELS: The grade us still the same. This bluffwas used as hack fill
for the bulkhead a long time ago. We are not planning to take any material out.
Or disturb the bluff in anyway.
TRUSTEE ~KRUPSKI9: Do I have a motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion to close the heating.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA; Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
Kenny will you make a motion.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a motion to Approve the Wetland Permit
on behalf of DAVID & KATHLEEN KII BRIDE to construct a 2800 sq. ft. two
story resident with a pool. Located: 9045 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue
SCTM#118-04-14.1 with the stipulation that there be a silt fence, with hay bales
at the edge of the bluff in front of where the pool is going to be. Constructed and
also a dry well for the pool.
TRUSTE KING Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
10. Abigail Wickham, Esq. on behalf of MATTITUCK PARK DISTRICT
requests a Wetland Permit to stabilize and contain embankment with retaining Wall.
Construction of retaining wall, 48 linear feet at 3'2" and 84 feet at 4'2" to stabilize and
contain embankment and permit access and drainage pipe. Located: Wick ham Avenue,
Mattituck SCTM#117-04-011
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any one here who would like to speak in favor of
the application?
ABIGAIL WICKHAM: Good evening, Abigail Wick ham on behalf of
MATTITUCK PARK DISTRICT. I would like to start by saying that the Park
District sincerely regrets the manner in which we did come before you. We would
like to give a proposal that we would like to amend somewhat in response to what
I am (cannot understand) several of the amendments that I would like to make to
the application. Based on your inspection are as follows: First of all we would like
to reduce from 2 8 feet to 12 feet the 3'x2' retaining wall on the west end.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you have a plan for that diagram?
ABIGAII,WICKHAM: I will be happy to submit one .I thought perhaps that there
would be anything else that came up at the hearing. We cam get one. Another
amendment would be or clarificaton is that (cannot understand) .and the grading
at the west end be done gradually and seeded as soon as possible. The contractor
is putting in a small bank, and some lighting there. I do not if it is in the
application but it is showing the plan, that there would be a small walkway.
Gentlemen do you have any questions?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We might, is there any other comment? In favor or
against the apphcation. We will reserve comments until we hear everyone.
JOE STEVENS: My name is Joe Stevens and I am neighbor of the Lake. I just
want to say that. To me that structure that is built completely detracts from the
natural beauty of the Lake and this is what I liked about the whole idea the wild
life and everything now you cannot see anything.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Where do you exactly live?
JOE STEVENS: I live on Wickham Avenue.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Any other comment?
NEIGHBOR PENNY: My name is Penny and I live on Wickham and I am just
curious how this got built without a permit?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is why we are here. That is why they got a violation.
NEIGHBOR PENNY: I am also curious (cannot understand) we still have not
heard that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment? Yes.
NEIGHBOR: I just want to say that my father and I ran that dairy farm
So it is very dear to my children and me and we love just the way it is. That is all I
can say. I do not see any need. There was no erosion there; there was no washing
away of the bank that I could see. Ijust do not see much reason for what they are
doing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment? Any response to the comments.
Does the Board have any comment?
TRUSTEE SMITH: We looked at it the other day. We all agreed with it. It is not
the prettiest looking thing in the world and I think it has to be lowered.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We would like to see the 4x4 poles sticking up cut off.
You mentioned to shorten by 36 feet. Looking at the plans I believe you said
leave it 12 feet long and that would be 36 feet less. To what is there. That is quite
a popular recreational spot them. I know I spent a lot time skating on that Lake
and our recommendation was to put a section of bench where children could sit
comfortable and would not have to sit in the dirt or in the snow to put their skates
on.
NEIGHBOR: It seems to me that you keep saying the western end is where this
bulkhead is. It is at the eastern end.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No what we are saying that where we looked it. The
structure is holding up the soil. Starting from the eastern end. The structure ~s
actually held up, with the bank tales off as it goes to the west. And a lot of
structure is sticking up out of the ground. About 36 feet western end is
unnecessary. We would like to see that westerly end removed. We want to see a
few benches placed. Say, if you are standing on top, placed down there so that
children could sit down there. Just a bench, you could sit and put your stakes on.
NEIGHBOR: I just want to say, that them was no need to bulkhead that bank until
it was bulldozed away, because it was fairly gradual and it was a place for the wild
life.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I think it was done in order to gain access to the drainage
pipe that was clogged. So theyneeded a flat little playing field to get. As the Park
District does not have big equipment. Where they could reach it from the road. So
we are just trying to make a bad situation good. Make it something that may be
usable since it it there. Because to take it out, and try to reconstruct the area at this
time of the year would be more damage. It is not the right time of the year to do
that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: The Board kind of felt that if those poles were cut down and
part of that was removed and there was a bench put on the lakeside. The whole
thing was seeded and some plantings up along the top, it would really basically
disappear. It would not be too long before no one would know that it was there. It
would serve a useful purpose and lower it and it would serve a useful purpose for
the kids to sit and put their ice skates on or take their ice skates off. Or sit and
watch the muskrats or ducks.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There used to be steps coming down, railroad ties coming
off Wickman Avenue there you could sit on them. They are all rotted out and
gone. There is no place to sit. You are sitting in the dirt to put your skates on
NEIGHBOR PENNY: What about the bench that someone started putting out at
the west where you put the retaining wall. Why does it have to be in the easterly
spot where you created this hideous structure?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: We did not create that.
NEIGHBOR PENNY: Well someone created it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The Park District created it.
NEIGHBOR PENNY: With whose authority?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No ones.
NEIGHBOR PENNY: How did that happen? We were not consulted as
neighbors. We go by that park every single day of our lives? No one was asked
and there appeared to be no need. All of a sudden this thing comes abOut, I want
to know how this happened?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: We cannot elect a President. How are we gone inspect
something like this?
ABIGAII~ WICKHAM: The bench that you are talking about would be?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: On the waterside, just a foot a foot and half wide.
Something, I guess we better be pretty specific about it. In light of what has
happened. A foot wide and two feet high or something.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Just off the wall actually attached to the back of the wall
something that you could sit on.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I recommend that we remove the westerly 36-foot part of
the wall it is kind of sticking up out of the middle.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion to close the heating on WOLF PIT.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a new motion to resend my previous motion and I will make a new
motion to recess the hearing. Until we get a plan and we will re-inspect it.
TRUSTEE SMITH: We will re-inspect and have neighbors have comments on the
new plan.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
11. First Coastal Corp. on behalf of LONE STAR INDUSTRIES, INC. Requests a
Wetland Permit for a new marina& restaurant facility is proposed. The portion of the
site adjacent to Mattituck Creek to be excavated to create a boat slip area. The proposed
marina to contain approximately 40 boat shps. The boat slip area is being accessed
through two 75 ft. wide openings into the site from Mattituck Creek. Approximately
36,5000 cubic yards of material to be excavated to accommodate boat slip area.
Approximately 1080 linear feet of new bulkhead is proposed to enclose the boat slip area
to the west, south, and east sides. A fixed T-shaped wood pier bisects the boat slip area.
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The proposed 10,000 sq. ft. building containing an 80 seat restaurant, marina office and
restrooms and is to be located on the southerly portion of the side landward of the boat
slips). Parking area for the marma, restaurant and office are also located on the southerly
portion of the site. Located Angles Drive, Mattituck SCTM#99-04-13,1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any here to comment on the application?
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: Thank you on behalf of the applicant. My name is
Aram Terchunian from First Coastal Corporation of Westhampton Beach. We
wanted to thank the Board for taking the time to come out and take a look at the
site last week. At that time there were several suggestions made. For minor
changes in the configuration of the marina basin. One of the things that were
questioned was changing it from t~vo openings to a single opening. The second
request was to put a four-foot low bur around the basin to prevent storm water run-
off. Also revise the plan to show litching drains throughout the parking area.
Install storm water wells on site and the third item was to include a wetland
restoration area on the northeast comer of the property, I would like to hand up to
you revised plans.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
ARAM TER/CHUNIAN: Do you have any questions on those revisions?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It would be fair to say that we will not be voting on this
tonight because it is a large project and we certainly want to look again on the site,
because it is staked out on the site. As we would a smaller project even a house
we want staked out or an addition to a house. So if there is anyone else who has a
question on this project? All of the components to this staked out on the site.
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: All of the components have been staked out.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not think that we got a clear read on the easterly
property line and where that bulkhead would go. That bulkhead will specifically
have to be specifically staked out.
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: In that particular issue, you asked us to review the deed
description for this parcel. So I just want to hand up to you a survey, which is
specifically from the deed description without any additional materials on it. The
one thing in reference to the boundary line you asked us to escape the boundary
line as per the description. We have requested that be done by the surveyor
obviously it has not been yet. As you can see by comparing the survey that I just
handed up to you as well as the marina plan itself. All the work that we are
proposing to do, Is contained within the property description.
TRUSTEE SMITH: On the parking area, ~vhat do you propose to pave that ~vith?
Would it be a black top?
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: That is a pervious.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Okay and it will have dry wells.
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: Drywells, which you should see indicated on the plan.
It would be pervious for the parking area and drywells. As well.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Everything will be pitched away from.
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: Preciously, it is going to be pitched away from the
additional activities around it as well. We will get everything flowing landward
and directed to the drywell area...
TRUSTEE SMITH: This right of way, will that be paved also?
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: I think the right of way itself will be.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What we will need then. This again is one of the big
concerns of the Board is that this area be clearly delimited from a public property
to a creek property standpoint. Which is the Trustee's own property What I
would like to see is the steel bulkhead is a big landmark there, I think on the
westerly side, north westerly side. I would like to see that put on this survey. You
have just given us a survey here.
ARAN TERCHUNIAN: Well let me hand up an additional survey, which shows
the location of that bulkhead.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What I am saying is this plan superimposed onto this
survey. The actual survey with the needs and bounds.
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: This is what this document is. This document is this
survey, let me step back. There are three documents; one is the site plan. Which
is near by in my office. The second document is a needs and bound survey. The
third is a survey showing current conditions.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What we need to do is to put all three together. Onto one.
ABAM TERCHUNIAN: All three together are on that site plan. The site plan has
the needs and bound description of the east. Have the improvements of the steel
bulkhead and the sunken barges. Also has all the proposed activates on the site all
on that document.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Does not show the cut outs on the inlet side.
ARAM TERCHU-NIAN: Right along Mattituck from left to right there are two
steel bulkheads. The steel bulkheads just into the creek. Then it cuts back in
along the high water line is underneath. The proposed bulkhead line is going to
follow the needs and bound description. That the area seaward of that is now
currently in Mattituck Creek if you will. It is pretty removed including the area
where there is a second barge to the east.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What we do not see. Here is your survey. Shows the cut
out back to the south here, it does not show that. (TAPE CHANGE)
What is going to be opened water?
ARAM TERCH1UNIAN: The bulkhead off the proposed bulkhead right at this
point this is all going to be opened water.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right now it is not.
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: Now it is not. Right now it has a barge in front of it..
I am going to do what you asked.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I want to make sure that you do everything while you got
the surveyor there. I do not want you to say next month. Well we really wanted to
see this to. We want to see this line of bulkhead here and whatever it is. You
know what I am saying. Because it does not show here on the survey.
TRUSTEE POILIWODA: You can take some string around it. Then we can see
it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The perimeter on the eastern side and the southern side.
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: Pleased to do that. I think once it is laid out it will be
very obvious to you that it is all going to be water. Basically whatever now is still
here because you got this barge and this other stuff?. It is going to be back to
opened waters.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will take any comments. From anyone who is interested
in talking but this is something we met with the applicant twice on the site this
year. He just handed us a different plan. We do not really; we are looking at a
survey with nothing on it. Trying to compare with a plan here. Trying to compare
it with a survey that shows the detail of what is the site now. It is sort of
impossible for us to actually analyze all that. Because it is three separate pieces
of information that could be put together and it needs to be put together on the
paper and then in the field. So that we can see it. I do not want to take a great
deal of comment on it tonight. We are not going to vote on this tonight. You
folks have not gotten to see this yet. I would rather everyone gets a chance to see
what is actually being proposed before you make any comments. Because we are
sure what is being proposed. I do not want to start
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: We definitely do know what is being proposed and if
there are comments that the public wants to raise at this point. I would like to
know them on behalf of my clients so I can address them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Go right ahead. One at a time.
FRANK WEISSEN: My name is Frank Weissen, I do a lot of boating on the inlet
I also live arotmd the comer from this property. My major concerns is where they
pull out of this new inlet, new development. They will block the inlet. Anybody
who boats realizes that the deep water is on this side of the inlet. Where the
project is proposed. There is a shallow area on the north side. It is a very
prominent shallow piece that comes outs. Not very far from where the opening to
this property is proposed. Ifa 50 foot boat comes out into the inlet from this
property it will block or considerable cause problems with the traffic going
through there. I think everyone should remember this and see that. I took my boat
there the other day. Just to see if that was tree. It was very close. I would
appreciate you looking into'that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just a brief comment to that. Those barges were all put on
town property put on Tmstee's property. They are all going to be removed.
FRANK WEISSMAN: They are about twenty foot wide or twenty-five foot wide.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They are going to go back.
FRANK WEISSMAN: A fifty-foot boat on the outside would block all traffic.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is a good comment. What we are going to require
these on the plan the distance across the other side. We would like soundings.
Where the proposed entrance to the marina is. So we know exactly where the
channel is and the ~vater depth.
GREGORY SAYBROOK: Good evening my name is Gregory Saybrook, I
happen to live exactly across from the entrance of the proposed marina. It is going
to be unbearable. The street at 4:30 in the morning when everyone is going to
drop the boat. Go fishing and every afternoon you have 150 parking spaces
facility here. Environmentally, pollution, noise wise. For the residence if they
live in that particular area. It is going to be very unreasonable. So I do not know
What is your position? But, I am sure if you would live there. If the gentlemen
representing Lone Star Industries lived on that block. I am sure that he would be
opposed to it. As a resident I am strongly opposed to that. Thank you.
TRUSTEE SMITH: You have to keep in mind that was what that property was
zoned for.
GREGORY SAYROOK: It is a residential area.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Not where the property is.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What is the zoning on the property?
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: Marine Two.
GREGORY SAYBROOK: Yes, but Marine Two, but there is also another marine
further in on the inlet and it does not have that kind of facility for 150 parking
spaces. For this kind of restaurant. I would like to know with five foot below the
ground the water level. Where the waste is going to go. How do they prepare
environmentally to maintain that area clean? This is my concern.
TRUSTEE SMITH: The Board of Health is very strict with something like this. It
will have to be done with Board of Health approval.
MARGE MI[,LER: My name is Marge Miller. I am representing my mother,
Ofelia Kimbell, she wrote a letter.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We have her letter.
MARGE MI1,LER: I have gone to the North Shore Environmental Counsel about
this and Gwen Schroder drop this off at my house. She said she could not deliver
It to you on time. Can I give it to you?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Please do. You do not have to read it because we will not
be voting on this tonight. We have another month to submit anything you like. It
is going to be ongoing process.
JIM FITZGERALD: Al, excuse me. For those who do not live in the area. Could
you describe briefly where this is?
TRUST.:EE KING: Right at the mouth of the inlet. Just as you come in. Naugles
Drive goes out and meets Breakwater Road to the east.
JIM FITZGERALD: What is there now.
TRUSTEE KING: It is a big asphalt sight. Just east of those asphalt.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comments?
MARK ISAAC: My name is Mark Isaac of Southold. On behalf of the American
Taxpayer, who I represent having over one thousand families. Some of them are
affected directly, by the proposed project. I am amazed at the monster proposed in
the area. Knowing also that the (cannot understand) I do not think anyone would
dare present this kind of project (cannot understand) With regard to the limit of
time tonight I would like to say that we are strongly oppose we strongly upset with
this kind of project in the area. It will develop that the authorities of the
environmental protection and most importantly. The Corp. of Engineer's already
have a take (cannot understand). Thank you very much.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
NEIGHBOR: I live in the area as well and one of my concerns was primarily the
inlet and how it would change the inlet dramatically. The boat traffic it is very
heavily used in the summer and I think it is in a poor area. Also I am concerned
with the removal of all that soil and what that will do to the inlet. I do not think
that the last jetty project served that very well. Because it is a lot shallower than it
used to be. It changed the way the beach lies. So I just cannot help wonder the
~mpact that it will have.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just for a little information. When the Army Corp. rebuilt
the jetty two years ago. We asked them to consider re-dredging the mouth of this
because it is showing. And swallowing in.
NEIGHBOR: Since it was done.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well even when it was being done. It should have been
one project.
NEIGHBOR: A lot of this undermine is going back into the inlet.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well they have their own agenda. Mattituck Inlet is
designed a Federal anchorage. The town I do not know when they gave up some
control there. Because it is the only safe harbor on the sound. For the eastern end
of the sound. For whatever reason as I told you before the town gave some control
in Mattituck Inlet. Because it is a designated Federal Anchorage at the head of the
inlet. The Army Corp. of Engineer's maintain the channel and the breakwaters for
the inlet. Unfortunately, as we meet with people there from the Army Corp. Few
years ago we asked them to do the proper dredging at the mouth. They do not
have to do anything that they feel is appropriate. So they did not do anything.
NEIGHBOR: I am curious to why they would want to put this project over
looking the tanks. That alone I would have to wonder about.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You also brought up another question. Do we have any,
are there any test holes of the staging area. We were assuming that was formally
still wetlands, marsh areas. I am probably going back 100 years maybe 150 years
The whole property before it was trap rock, I am talking about 150 years ago. It
probably wetlands. We would like to see a series of test holes from the basin area.
I guess from mnmng north to south. Captain Kid's treasure maybe buried in there.
At least three test holes going from North to South. Kind ora profile of the boat
basin area. Another question for the applicant. You are going to have to go to the
planning board for this application? For the whole facility.
ARAM TERCHUNIAN: Yes we will.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are they going to require you to do a SEGRA Review.
ARAN TERCHUNIAN: Probably
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Have you started anything,
ARAN TERCHUNIAN: With then no.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Have you started anything with the DEC?
ARAN TERCHUNIAN: Yes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Army Corp.
ARAN TERCHUNLAN: Yes.
NEIGHBOR: Are there any plans in the future of removing those tanks?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is a separate piece of property. I do not know. Do
you have any information on that.
TRUSTEE KING: They came in and they received a demolishing permit about
two or three years ago. I know they took some of the outside wrapping off They
then stopped and they never touched them since. It would be nice if they removed
some of that.
NEIGHBOR: I spoke to the owner of the tanks last year because it was eye saw.
One of the local papers had an article he was suppose to remove them last fall. A
town official had written on that article so I spoke to the owner and he said that he
had no plans for removing the tanks. Because if he removed the tanks he is losing
the commercial permit the status of the property. Therefore he was requesting a
permit for a restaurant from the town. They would not give him a permit. That is
why he maintained the tanks there. So therefore he only came a year later and that
is exactly what they try to do at the next property. That is why they are not
removing the tanks. [ am sure that you are aware of it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is a different property. Any other comment? We
will be all meeting here next month. Please come into the office we are going to
get a different set of plans from the applicant. Please come into the office we are
down at Feather Hill and review the plans. So that you are all familiar with what
is being proposed there. There is an issue of what is buried there and if you dig it
up. You are going to release lead into the creek. If it is just clean fill on top of
bog what is expected. But in the old days they liked to bury stuff.
ARAN .TERC~: Test holes have been done on the property and have
come up clean. We will get them from the other consultant.
TRUSTEE KRUPS~KI: ls the Planning Board regard Phase 2 on this project of
this magnitude. Or would the State require Phase 2.
ARAN TERCHUNIAN: It is up to them to determine on a case by case bases of
what they ~wanr. Phase One was completed. Property came up clean.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is just that there is a concern that something could
tmearth there. That would haunt everyone later.
ARAN TERCHUNIAN: Technically, you only go to Phase 2 if Phase 1 points
out that there might be something.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Are you aware of Mitchell Park, Greenport.
ARAN TERCHUNIAN: Yes
NEIGHBOR: Briefly, real quick although the Board realizes this as a commercial
property. That we also want to look at the area, because 90% of the area is
residential. We only have a small sampling of the residence here and we would
like to see left in at least a more restricted environment. So this going to drive a
lot of traffic. If you have 129 parking spaces, you will have a lot of traffic and
changing the complexity of the area.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Absolutely, that is why we have public hearings. The
reason for the M2 zoning is because this area has traditional been of marine use
but it is traditionally use of the area and you need areas in town that are going to
sustain a marme use.
NEIGHBOR: I understand that they cannot fill Petersons Marina, They cannot
fill themselves no~v. How is this going to go through. Unless this is part ora
major bigger project that we do not know about it. There is property on both
sides that they not had to buy and maybe changing the complexion of the entire
property. I would like to know that to.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am not saying you are wrong, I am just saying that this is
an industrial site for years They have ran it for heavy industrial use for years
now. Madam briefly.
NEIGHBOR: We work on this for our boats in that area.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, sir.
NEIGHBOR: We are concerned about the noise pollution right now there. We do
have drunk drivers come out on the beach. Take their cars step on the gas go all
the way 80 miles an hour. We do have problems right now. We are going to
create more problems.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion to recess this heating until next month.
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES..
12. Proper-T Services on behalf of CI-IRISTOPItER SHOWALTER requests a
Wetland Permit to construct fixed open walkway 4'x66', hinged ramp 4'x16' and
floating dock 6'x20' install two piles to secure floating dock. Located: 1015
Orchard Lane, Southold SCTM#90-4-15
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone who would like to speak in favor of the application?
JIM FITZGERALD: Jim Fitzgerald on behalf of CHRISTOPHER SHOWALTER.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The two properties to the west, we ran into the same
problem. What you shows, which you submitted shows the channel. We do not
want to put a float in the middle of the channel.
JIM FITZGERALD: This is the channel?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There was a large flat right here. It is non-navigable.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: At dead low tide you can see it.
JIM FITZGERALD: I agree with that. On the basis of this there be a channel 2
feet deep.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is what it is. We have to keep this in right to the
edge of this I guess. Take a look at this, would not the ramp have to be fight
there. I am trying to superimpose this on to that.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Where is the bottom? This little bit high water. It ~s
about right.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The float should sit no more further out than right here.
Because then:you get into the channel. So the boat will sit in the channel.
JIM FiTZGERALD: The way it is set up the floats are not going to be at the end.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No the neighbor's dock are all T for that purpose of
putting the boat out into deep water. We are going to make similar to what the
neighbor's have there. Right up against the bank.
JIM FITZGERALD: What is that?
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: The ramp would end right here about 12 feet.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You are going to have to check this in the field. Ken, to
make sure Can you meet Mr. Fitzgerald there on site.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seventy feet total to the end of the float.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Write that down, I will make a motion to recess the
hearing.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES.
13. Proper-T-Services on behalf of C&D REALTY requests a Wetland Permit to construct
single family dwelling with private well and on-site sewage disposal system. Located:
5640 Cox Neck Road, Mattituck SCTM#113-4-1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We requested a survey with contours.
JIM FITZGERALD: You want contours and I want the drain pipe showing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a motion to table.
JIM FITZGERALD: Just one thing the phragmites are not among the wetland
identifies.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is right. But our determination of what the wetland
might not be based on the phragmites. Our determination of wetland may be
based on soil conditions and elevation. We will look at it when we get the survey
with the contours and then we will know where we are. I made a motion to recess
the hearing.
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
14. Proper-T-Services on behalf of SAVAS KATSORItlS requests a Wetland
Permit to construct wood deck 16'x30'7" with three sets of steps to grade and 32" high
railing over existing concrete patio 19'x32'. Deck to be supported to concrete block
piers, height above patio varies from 30' to 40'. Located: 965 Bungalow Drive,
Mattituck SCTM#123-3-12.1
TRUSTEE SMITH: I looked at this today. This thing has got a concrete slab that
is built right up against the wetlands. Right up to the spartina. I would
recommend that we allow the deck with the removal of that concrete structure
underneath it.
JIM FITZGERALD: I think it was there before the wetlands were.
TRUSTEE SMITH: But, I am just saying that this is what I recommend. That
there be hay bales put during the removal of that. Concrete slab and there are two
down spouts in the back of the house. There are also two on the side of the house
and there is a pretty good slope there. I would recommend that those down spots
be put into dry wells Also when I went to look at the place I did not see the
notice of public hearing.
JIM FITZGERALD: I took it out this morning. It says eight days before the
meeting.
TRUSTEE SMITH: That I do not know but it was not there this afternoon. I
went to look at.
JIM FTIZGERALD: Because I took it out this morning.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Okay that explains it then. But I would make a motion.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Wait for other comments? See if there are any other
comments.
JIM FTIZGERALD: I would like to comment.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Go right ahead.
JIM FITZGERALD: I think what would be the point of taking the concrete out?
TRUSTEE SM/TH: Well maybe we can get some wetlands to grow back where
that concrete is. Even though it is under that deck. You got the pictures of it in
the file.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Did CAC comment?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: CAC recommended approval.
JIM FITZGERALD: It seems to me that there are a lot of places that you took
something out in the wetlands it grows back.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This is a case where the applicant is going to retain the
use of the site, except you are def'mitely going to restore some habitant
underneath.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Because if it is not easily done and you have to get
machinery in there you might cause more damage than.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You can see, you would get the wetland habitant naturally
restore it self. That is a monster.
TRUSTEE SMITH: You have a slope here for runoff that would help the main
problem coming offthe land. Right now you just have that big concrete slab
going into the wetlands. (tape change)
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If you took half of that off. You would get wetlands
restored right underneath it quite nicely.
TRUSTEE SMITH. They are build'rog this deck over the top of this concrete next
thing they will want to put a foundation around the deck and use that as a crawl
space.
JIM FITZGERALD: You are starting to sound like the DEC.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Well I am sorry this is just too close to the wetlands and I do
not see where removing that would be that much of an expense.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: My personal opinion I rather remove it. Then let it rema'm
and if it was my house I certa'mly would remove it, ifI was going to put a deck
over it; Unless they are doing to put the sun fish up underneath under the deck on
the concrete slab or whatever. That is my personally feeling. As A1 or Henry
says we have a chance to correct it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Basically it is in the Wetlands.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I do not know what came first, the chicken or the egg. But
in this particular case. It is what it is. It is a good opportunity to get it out of
there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think it is reasonable even the cost factor. Just to take
the front half out. Because at least that way you are not going to establish
wetlands underneath against the house.
TRUSTEE SMITH: The deck is going to be two foot. I think it will be a chance
for the wetland to encroach there.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Environmentally, it would be better to take that out of
there. Because once associated with the deck.
JIM FITZERALD: Environmentally Ken and everybody I agree with you. But it
seems to me that there has to be a point in your deliberations which are practical.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think we are. If you take half and if there was no slab
there. We certainly would not allow a deck to that extent to go right up to the
wetland edge. So I think that is a balance there.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Actually if you really wanted to be hard about it. You just
say no you cannot have the deck and take the concrete out.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Exactly, and re-establish a buffer.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: That us being hard.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That us being hard, we should have started with that. Can
we close the hearing?
TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion on behalf of Proper-T-Services on behalf of
SAVAS KATSORHIS to Approve the Wetland Permit to construct a wood
deckl6'x30'7" with three sets of steps to grade and 32" high railing over existing
concrete patio 19'x32'. Deck to be supported to concrete block piers, height
above patio varies from 30" to 40". Located: 965 Bungalow Drive, Mattituck,
NY with the stipulation that dry wells be put in for the two down spouts on the
front of the house on the waterside and for the two down spouts one on each side
of the side property and that the concrete slab underneath the new deck be
removed. At least ten feet back from the seaward end, back to the house. Hay
bales be put in during the removal and that the front of marsh try to be re-
established. To go underneath the deck. Graded with sand again, and leave the
grasses grow by themselves.
JIM FITZGERALD: With the concrete removed, it probably would not be on
concrete it probably be on wood.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That would be fine. Is there a second on that?
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
15. JMO Consulting on behalfofMICItAEL & GRACE GRIFFIN requests a
Wetland Permit to construct a seasonal docking facility consisting ora 4'x50'
catwalk elevated 3-1/2' above grade 3'x12' ramp and 6'x20' float secured by two 8"
piles. Located: 435 Pine Street, East Marion S CTM#37-04-14&l 5
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone here would like to speak in favor of the
application?
GLENN JUST: I am Glenn Just at last month meeting there was some questions
on the part of Trustee Ken Poliwoda that the end of the dock (cannot understand)
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I looked at it today, it is there and it is fine. It is nice
and tight where I wanted to look. I did not have a problem with it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment? Do I have a motion to close
the heanng.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a motion to close the public hearing on MICHAEL
& GRACE GRIFFIN.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a motion to Approve the Wetland Permit
for MICHAEL & GRACE @RIFFIN for a 4'x50' catwalk elevated 3:1/2' above
grade 3'x12' ramp and 6'x20' float secured by two 8" piles. Located 435 Pine
Street, East Marion
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
16. JMO Consulting on behalf of WILLIAM F. TYREE requests a Wetland Permit to
construct a 4'x178' catwalk with a 12' "T" structure shall be constructed 4' above grade
of marsh for the purpose of kayak launch'mg. Located: 2280 Moores Lane, Cutchogue
SCTM#116-01-8,3
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone would like to speak in favor of the application?
GLENN JUST: I am Glenn Just on behalf of the applicant.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any comment before we comment.
TRUSTEE SMITH: What is the CAC recommendation.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The CAC recommends disapproval. Because the
structure woUld give the phragmiates a natural corridors and it would maintain
the pristine integrity of the salt meadows surrounding wetlands system. This is
also what this Board found also.
GLENN JUST: No doubt that it will cut the marshland in half there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This town creek is the only undeveloped marsh in town.
The whole western side has been protected from development, which will insure
that the creek maintains its naturalist. The Board had a problem with putting a
structure out on it where no structures exist.
GLENN JUST: I agree there are no structures there. The street that is just east of
this. There is a new house going in now on the comer of New Suffolk Avenue.
I do not know what the future plans for those lots are. But I think what is comes
down to this particular case it should be to the property line out with access to
the water.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: We just walked out there to the edge.
GLENN JUST: I did too. Actually the client their contractor there if they
wanted a narrow low profile walkway.. I prefer the four-foot 170 foot structure
which would tie into the regulator separate rules. We all know that there are a lot
of 2 or 2-1/2 foot wide little catwalks across the marsh. Where spartina grows
up.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I think that anything built like that would ruin the scenic
pristine of the area. I do not think that there is a need for that area. I know ifI
lived there I Would not want to see something like that in front of my house. But
I do not live there.
GLENN JUST: Unfortunately, the other parties that are involved in it are not
here and maybe it should be postponed.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If you like to. We would be happy to do that.
GLENN JUST: I have been getting a lot of feed back as well and making a lot of
calls.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is Down's creek and it is totally undeveloped almost
totally protected.
TRUSTEE SMITH: That is the only creek in town that was never dredged.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Your comments on the other lots. I think that the
standard policy is not approving.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I think that is why those people bought those lots, because
of the scenic view, not for ~vater access.
GLENN JUST: I cannot disagree with you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a motion to recess the hearing until next
month.
GLENN JUST: Thank you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES
17. Land Use Ecological Services on behalf of GERALD RUPP requests a Wetland Permit
revision for the project survey plan to incorporate a slightly larger footprint, setback 93'
from wetland boundary as requested. Located: 19375 Soundview Avenue, Southold
SCTM#51-01-19&20
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone would like to speak in favor of the application.
CHARLES BOWMAN: I am Charles Bowman representing GERALD RUPP
We are hopefull having three lots into a third. If you recall that he did haVe a
waiver to build a home or a house. On a separate lot that has changed. In
addition to his house. He has his house and the pool house on the eastern lot so
there are three lots that they merged all together. Again this is strictly an
alternative. The property is already bulkhead.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comments?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: He moved it back, let me see the new plan. We went and
looked it. It was already well established bluff already planted. Up and across of
Chardonney Estates.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Would someone like to make a motion to close the
hearing,
TRUSTEE KING: So moved.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I will make a motion to Approve the application of
GERALD RUPP for a Wetland Permit revision for the project set back 93'
from wetland boundary as requested. 19375 Soundview Avenue, Southold
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
18. Land Use Ecological Services Inc. on behalf of MICHAEL MC ALLISTER requests a
Wetland Permit to install timber stairs to beach access and stone armoring along the
existing blufftoe. The stairway ~s proposed to be 100+/- feet long and 4 feet wide with a
proposed 4'x8' timber platform as a resting area. The proposed stairway is proposed to
be supported by 4"x4" CCA timber posts. Existing deteriorated timber remains of
retaining walls and stairway proposed to be cut at grade as necessary and removed to an
approved upland location. Applicant also proposed to install 150 hnear feet of stone
armoring at the existing toe of bluff, 170 linear feet total including the proposed returns.
A proposed 100 +/- cubic yards of"Natural" stone (1-2 ton) is proposed to be placed on
filter fabric on grate along 1,200 sq. ft. of existing bluff scarp. Proposed stone
installations to be approximately 8' wide at 170 linear feet total. Located: 17665
Soundvi8ew Avenue, Southold (SCTM#51-1-3
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of the
application.
CHARLES BOWMAN: Charles Bowman on behalf of the applicant. (cannot
understand) full protection of the bluff. It is in relatively good shape I think this
is just a minimum full protection to allow that bluffto procede.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other comments?
We took a look at the site we took a really extensively look at the site last week.
Remember I had recalled that we had looked at the neighboring site. Nicholas
property years ago. We looked that up, back in the 90's. We approved a
bulkhead for Nicholas. It kind of sparked another series of mental review by the
Board in the field there. I think we should ignore the structure there once it is
unhardened structure you start to build from there and it becomes an inevitable
process. This ~s an area that is stable and the sound it is very stable. Most this
Board was willing to allow is a series of stone placed on the very bottom of that.
No excavation, just a series of.
CHUCH BOWMAN: This is what this plan shows. There is not excavation.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But it shows eight feet wide. That is going to put into
the inertial area also. Because the high tide comes right up to the bluff.
CHUCK BOWMAN: If you look at the new plans. It is two stone wide. The
actual width of the new plans shows a 5 foot (cannot understand) it is minimal on
grade no excavation.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not know if there was a filter fabric there?
CHUCK BOWMAN: The filter fabric.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Or the sand I do not think that the sand is going to last.
You have high tide there already. You are going to put sand there.
CHUCK BOWMAN: Most of the fabric is there. So if we get a storm. You are
standing on the beach on the ocean. It takes a lot to disappear. The only purpose
of the filter fabric is to keep the rocks from shifting down. Unless the whole
structure settles together as to opposed to one after another. Filter fabric works
very well that way. It is a method of keeping the whole structure together. What
minimal structure it is.
TRUSTEE KING: That is the widest it will be five feet?
CHUCK BOWMAN: I think we are all talking the same thing. It does provide if
you do get a big storm and that area is pretty stable. I agree with you one
hundred percent.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Does it show that stone following the contour? That is
one of our concerns
CHUCK BOWMAN: Two stones wide.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: The toe of that bluffs kind of goes along like this so you
would want to follow that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What other questions do we have? Where is your staging
area?
CHUCK BOWMAN: Well right now it is going to be where the house is going to
demolish. On the top.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Roll the stone down there.
TRUSTEE KING: How are you going to get the stone there?
CHUCK BOWMAN: I have to talk to my contractor and then I can let you know
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We would have to know. That is one of our concerns.
(tape muffled) Do I have a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a motion to Approve the application with the condition that we get
The exact point of stone placement, the method of stone delivery before the
project is started. We have pictures before and after the project is started and after
it is completed. (Tape cutting off) All in favor. ALL AYES.
That is the plan I want to stamp it is totally different from the other.
19. PARADISE POINT ASSOCIATION, INC. requests a Wetland Permit to
resheath fi:om inside existing east jetty with C-Loc series 4500 vinyl sheathing.
Also replace 1" tie rods and place washer 3"x6" top clamp and 2" two drains at
low point offBasin Road to eliminate potential run-off. Each drain to consist of
8"x8" concrete leaching structure. Traffic bearing with one casting to grade to receive
read water. Connecting pipe between structures to be 6" PVC .To continue Maintenance
Dredge under Permit $$5161. Located: Basin Road, Southold SCTM#81-1-16.1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak on behalf of
PARADISE POINT ASSOCIATION, INC.
GASTON CRIttLEZ: I am Gaston Criblez, I am president of Paradise Point. I
have the plans which I will g~ve to each of you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment on this?
Do you have any other comments, does anyone have a comment on this.
TRUSTEE SMITH: How are you going to access this jetty out here to do this, ~s
that private property?
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Well we would have to go based the same way as for the
dredgingproject (cannot understand) We would ask for the same permission to
go to the end of to get to the jetty.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: On field inspection we were unclear, they showed us
here what you proposed just the jetty that sticks out into the bay.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: This is like the east jetty.
TRUSTEE KRLIPSKI: Because the rest of the jetty seems to be deteriorating
especially when you get into the basin. You are losing a lot of the material there.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Apparently, whatever that bulkhead can do. Part of the
jetty as you see. The other portion that is coming into the basin is a bulkhead.
Probably when that bulkhead ~vas built it was never completed.
TRUSTEE SMITH: The bulkhead in the interior should be done over, because
everything is going into the channel. You dredge it out but it keeps coming back
in because of that deteriorating bulkhead. I think that should be
GASTON CRIBLEZ: What is coming into the basin.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Coming into the basin and coming into the channel.
GASTON CPd]3LEZ: The sand that comes into the channel the bulk of it comes
from the front where it is opened. The second portion is where water or high tide
and the northeast storms come over the jetty that is there. Washes offthe top of it
of the jetty. But the bulk of the sand comes in and what we do with the
Maintenace Dredge is the mouth of the jetty coming into the basin.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We issued a permit May 15th of this year. To
Maintenance Dredge the existing basin.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Correct and the dredging was done.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It was a one time approval. To solve a shallow water
problem because of deteriorating conditions on the site bulkhead structure and the
erosion in the basin. These issues of the deteriorated bulkhead and the erosion
into the basin must be addressed before additional maintenance dredging is
approved. Now I think what we are looking at is. We have talked about it before
is the section where the existing bulkhead ends. We talked about a low sill
bulkhead that can be extended from there towards the interior of the basin. A low
sill bulkhead a bulkhead can be made out of the same vinyl sea lock between low
water and high water. They put it into place, marsh would establish on the upland
side of it. When you maintenance dredge the channel you could dredge next and
it does not keep from filling in. You can maintain your basin and channel depth
and stabilize your upland into the channel and you do not have to keep dredging
anymore.
GASTON CRIBDEZ: That is really combining two problems together. This jetty
The east jetty as shown here is sometimes under the ground. The bulkheading
that you are referring to would be at the end of this C section. It goes for aways
and then when I make the turn it is where it is opened. This was never continued
when it was b~lt originally. Actually, at this particular time the easement that
Paradise Point has going out to the Jetty. We have an easement coming here
going out to the jetty. The other side we have the land that goes out to the other
jetty, coming from Paradise Point Road. So this here this easement at this point
right now. (Tape Change)
It is not a cheap item to build it took awhile to get this through for the members to
approve and get that done. You are talking about ~ngto coUple this with re-
doing the whole bulkhead which is a matter we are not at that point to handle that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not think that we are talking about the whole
bu~ead. You bring that picture up here. We just looked at this last week and
we looked at in light of the permits that you have. We looked at about this area
here that is where you put the low sill bulkhead in. Then when you dug this basin
· out here you would not have it falling back in it. You would never have to dig
this out again. We are not talking about the whole length.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: In here?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That ~vould be completely stabilized that..
GASTON CR1FILEZ: Actually what is happening in here right now. Has this
deteriorated into the basin? I cannot say no but that is now what is deteriorating
but that is not what is deteriorating every single year into the whole basin. That
is not what is deteriorating every single year into the whole basin that is what
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is washing in fi:om out here. I can only attest to this for fifteen years that I am
there. This goes back fifty years when this bulkhead was ever built and so forth I
do not know but it is a long time before me.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What happens is in the area. We are talking about is fight
here. You dig a hole here this material is just going to move into it. Keep
moving into it. When you dig this out and that is the problem.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: At the point which you are referring to this is where you a
are hanging a left over here and then a right. That is pretty narrow that does not
get dredged out that much.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: If you do not bulkhead or low sill bulkhead would ease
your easement problems. If you do not bulkhead that and fill that in you really do
not have an easement to get out there.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: That is right, correct right now we do not have an
easement, This I would have to say is what we go to the next phase of long range
plans. Long range planning being is fl~at we have to get something worked for
gaining our easement back. We have the funds right now. That we are going to
access everybody I do not know $10,000.00 a house or $5,000.00 a house
whatever it maybe. In order to start recreating the bulkheading line in here. We
have it up to here.
TRUSTEE KRUPSK8I: But bear in mind we are not guaranteeing a bulkhead
and fill this either. We are talking a low sill bulkhead with a marsh behind it.
We are not saying bulkhead and driveway.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Once you have a low sill bulkhead you are putting a marsh
behind it. How are we every going to get our easement back? You are not going
to be able to build on the marsh. In order to gather height on the bulkhead in
order to put the easement back in.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How do you know there was ever any up-land there.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: How did we ever know that? At this point all I can say is
that is what I was told.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Even in this area here there is dry land, I would not call
that travelable. It is like a slope.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Parts of is parts are not.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Whoever created that is still laughing.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: What was there originally I do not know.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But even the rest of it is like this.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I can remember cement filled whiskey barrels from
probation days that was the first originally jetty. When I was a kid I played up
there.
MR. ZUPA: Remember this last year, I have been watching this carefully. Where
they are re- building it is where a lot of the mountain jade, [ watch it drop. This is
favorable.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not think that anyone has a problem w/th the repair of
jetty.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: John, let me ask you a question? You mentioned about the
Easement would create. Effect the geographic location of the easement because
the actual dirt there with the embankment there.
JOHN: Because it was never taken care of (cannot understand)
GASTON CRIBLEZ: But it is not all that it shows there.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It is eroded. If that bulkhead was finished that problem
would not exist.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: As I mentioned before we have been looking at the
situation which is the whole side of the basin. At one step at a time, taking care of
the jetty is a priority. We are planning on working on this next section over here.
What to do? How to handle it and what to do. It is something that we can do all
at one time. I think it is imperative that we take care of that jetty. We have sand
sill coming out of it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Have you dredged on that permit?
GASTON CRIBLEZ: The one that was issued in the spring time, yes we did.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The only thing I would not stop them from dredging if
they are going to fix that jetty. What do you think Artie, they are going to fix the
jetty, so let them dredge by the jetty. It may get there water depth.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Where are they going to put the spoils?
GASTON CRIBLEZ: As we move along, further into the inlet and we are trying
to make plans. Take another look at this bulkhead situation. Try to get
something determined. Since we have to come up with a plan that is going to
provide us with our easement going out to the jetty. Eventually, someday the
owner's of this property may want to sell this property and we would have our
easement and they would have their property. We are able to get to the jetty from
that point. We are planning on this one step at a time.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Who is the owner's? I see the owner's address James
Mills.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: No this just happens to be, if you are looking for a survey
to show that jetty. The owner of the property? Is there a specific name,. John, or
is it called the group of four or group of six now.
JOHN: It is owned by four different enteritis.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I was wondering how his name, James Mills..
GASTON CRIBLEZ: His name came on there, because this was actually a
survey which was showing that jetty when he was at one time looking to purchase
that property from the group of four. The four enteritis. This is only for
discussing purposes, His name has nothing to do with this. He does not live
there. There is no house. We did this to show the Board. The Board asked us
something quick to show the Board the base of the road, the jetty and that was the
whole purpose of it. I would like to get the permission to take care of this jetty.
Number two, that come the proper time in the spring that we do our maintenance
dredge that we always have to do. So I would not like to see the Board not
restrict this to do this area, and not that area. Then it does not make sense that the
people cannot get into the boats. I would say that we should try to do this again,
as we plan ahead for another phase.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Can you come up here? This is the area that I have
proposed to execute. The entrance area, when you fix this erosion problem and
you can do this. If you fix this you should never have to do that again.
GASTON CRI~LEZ: There is a lot of work involved. First there is a lot of
politics lot of meetings.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well I do not know about the politics. Physically a low
sill bulkhead, you can maintain your water depth. Closer and you are not going to
have that problem.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: It is a little bit difficult. It sounds good, I do not mean.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We have seen it happen.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: By doing that we are certainly going to get jammed up at
this particular point over here. We will never get this thing through at that fast of
pace as we are doing. I had a little bit of battle to get this going.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well that is the conditions of your permits.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: I would like if you would give us the old permit which
you are doing for us and we are continuing to plan on this. This is not the most
easiest operation to do.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: If you loose access, how are you going to do any dredging
out there?
GASTON CRIBLEZ: That is true, it can be done, it will be very expensive they
would have to do it off of barges.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Is the channel accessible now can you get in and out of
there at the basin?
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Boat wise.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Yes
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Yes you can but after the winter and so on and so forth.
You are back in the spring time unfortunately you need the maintenance dredging
again. This is not something that is going to go away. This is like death and
taxes it is always there. Sure, preferable speaking I would like to see this
bulkhead down here and continue all the way down to here. Then what we can do
is we have a bulkhead. Then we can fill this in and when we do dredge we can
dredge and we do not have to track this stuff out we could fill in behind the wall
and have our easement back. I would like to have the easement back and if you
want to do something with the properties fine by me. This is all great, but this
Is something that it just cannot be done overnight. It just cannot be done lets do
this do that. It just cannot be done.
TRUSTEE SMITH: It cannot be neglected neither.
GASTON CRII~LEZ: I think right now I think Henry we are trying to take the
responsible position. Up here in this jetty area. We just can not do the whole
thing at one time. But this requires some planning. Working it out to get it done.
TRUSTEE FOSTER How many feet of bulkhead are you talking about? It is not
a long ways thee. Is it?
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Oh about 100 or 200 feet.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No I do not think it is that much. When the Board issued
the permit we were not concerned about the entire length. But only the small
length that has eroded.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: But in order to gain the easement you have to go all the
way down. If we had purpose from here to here but we did not have this. We are
still..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But you are gaining, I do not know if we can give you
that land to gain an easement. That is a whole other issue.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: In another place, not asking for you to give us land that is
obvious that it is not our land. It is the land from the group that owns the
property. That gave us the easement. So part of it is that is our easement, in the
water the group of four that owns the land.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No that is not in question who owns it or has the
easement I think what the question is what you can do with that easement. That is
it can you walk over it, can you drive over it.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Are you saying now, at this juncture, today I would say
that some of the easement you can walk on. I do not necessary know, ifI had to
give you a real honest answer. Some of it can be walked on, can you drive on the
whole easement. I think I could honestly say no.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It also shows two docks. Across it. And that might be
water here- even at this end that is the easement here, right.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: That is a little bulkhead there. There is a bulkhead there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That gives you about a foot. You cut offon Mr. Zupa,
you cut right off there.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: No that is not Mr. Zupa's property.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, no by his property.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: This is Basin Road, it comes down here. We come into
here.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So you are cut off from the end of Basin Road, how do
you get to Basin Road?
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Well these plans are not exactly most accurate set of
drawings.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well anyway okay so you want to consider this
separately. That is why
GASTON CRIBLEZ: What I am saying I am able to do this right now. I have
authority t0 do x amount of work. Tins was the x right here. Going into here,
what ~ve have done is we have started some long range planning. What happens
in here. Some of this is no problem. Come the end of this bulkhead which is
some where around here, which is opened. This really ~s going to have to be
continued down.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We were all out there.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Fill it in, Then we will have an easement.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But you already have an easement.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: I will rephrase it, we will have a usable easement, we have
an easement right now that is underwater and the easement is not useful It is not
useable. So eventually, we would like to solve one problem at a time, and obtain
a useful easement. We are not looking for a highway. We are just looking for an
access.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKIS: But what Henry pointed our. The last permit said you
had to solve these erosions problems before we allow any additions.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: I was under the impression that we were talking about the
last permit which at that time somebody else was handling. [ was not president
but I an mot ducking the issue that there were concerns about this jetty and
rightful so. They were concerned about a problem on Basin Road.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We do not have, and I do not have a problem with letting
you do the maintenance dredge associated with the project that you are doing out
here.
GASTON CR/BLEZ: But, I am asking you to give us time with that to let us
continue our maintenance dredging as we normally would. While we are moving
ahead. I just would not like to say well it would be irresponsible for me to say
okay I will dredge in the mouth but you really can not get through the whole place
properly. That is not properly servicing the members. We are just trying to serve
the members, we are not try fouling anyone.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Is it navigable now inside?
GASTON CRIBLEZ: You asking about today, I have not driven a boat in and out
of there maybe for a couple of months.
TRUSTEE SMITH: When was the last time you went in there?
GASTOI~-I CRIBLEZ: Sometime maybe in August.
TRUSTEE SMITH: Was it navigable then?
GASTON CRIBLEZ: Yes, we dredged it in the spring time. My son came in and
out during the summer time. What it is right now, I do not know. From past
performances. This is silting up again.
JOHN: That inside piece usually backs up every couple of years.
TRUSTEE SMITH: But the permit that agreed on last year to get that
Maintenance was that - that was it. Until they could do something with that
inside to fix that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSLI: It is positive movement and I think that we can kind of
interrupt that permit to fix the entrance. To dredge it.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: How do you get out there now, you use the property that
beloags to the 4 people.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: To get in and out f~om the dock,
TRUSTEE FOSTER: How do you get out to the point to do the dredging?
GASTON CRIBLEZ: To get to the point we use the road that goes over the
group of four property.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Is that going to continue to happen.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We will put that in the permit and they can work it out.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Just thinking out loud. First and foremost, I would want to
have my own means to get out there. So regardless of what happened that
property we could continue to channel out there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They could access it through that property. They could
certainly do this work off of this barge.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: I think what would be best for everyone is that as time
goes on. We try to get this access. This easement, bulkheading and what not
worked out so that we have the access.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think we are talked out on this. I think it is time to vote.
JOHN: what about the issue of the drainage.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We do not have a problem w/th that.
JOHN: I did not wee the plans, where are those going to go.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Basically right in the middle of the road. At the low point
where the water lies.
JOHN: Do you have the plans showing that?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure we do somewhere.
GASTON CPdBLEZ: I do not think that there is a structure plan for that. There
is not a structure plan the tmstee's asked for part ora survey a cross section type
looking for the jetty. As far as the drainage on the road is concerned would be the
8' diameter by 8 foot leaching pool. Them would be two of them. With the catch
basin coming up on the cone shape pipe cover
JOHN: Where are they are going into relations to the Zupa property.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: This would be between the fire hydrant and the water side,
basically not between the bullkhead. Somewhere between that area the fire
hydrant and the slope on the road.
JOHN: Would it be preferable to put it down lower on the easement. At a better
location.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: There is no better place actually, then at the lo~v point.
Cause the water actually will go there. There is a water main there that is too
much. The middle of the road is by far the easiest place to put it without getting
Involved with the water main.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It would be effective there.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It is the low point, that is where the water lies..
It would be rather than to put in a small catch basin and pipe it somewhere
remotely. There is just too much going on there. There is nothing actually in the
roadway itself, the water main is off to the side. There is no underground utilities
so that basically that would be the easiest place to put it. Right in the road it self,
tight where the water lays. That way the water would naturally run right into the
catch basin.
GASTON CRIBLEZ: You are going to wind up repaving that section of the road
there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a motion to close the heating.
TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a motion to approve the Wetland Permit for
PARADISE POINT to resheath the inside of the existing jetty with C-Loc series
4500 vinyl sheathing, also replace 1" tie rods and place washers 3"x6" top Clamp
and 2" all two drains at low point of Basin Road to eliminate potential mn-off.
Each drain to consist of 8'x8' concrete leaching structure. Traffic bearing with
one casting to grade to received road water. Connecting pipe between structures
to be 6"PVC to continue Maintenance Dredge under Permit #5161 located Basin
Road only at the area of the repaired jetty run concurrent with the DEC 10
year permit t any work done is subject to getting authorization from the owner
to access the property.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
GASTON CRII:ILEZ: Is that the same kind of a form that we use for the
dredging?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Honestly a letter from the applicant would be fine. A
letter is fine as long as you work it out.
I need a motion to go off the public hearing.
TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a motion to go off the public heating and go
back to our regular meeting.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
V. RESOLUTIONS:
Susan L. Long Permits on behalf of JACQUELINE MOELLER requests a
Grandfather and Coastal Erosion to replace 55' timber bulkhead in-kind/in-place
backfill with approx. 30 c.y. clean fill from approved upland source. Located:
4305 Soundview Avenue, Southold SCTM#68-1-17.1
TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve the application with the stipulation that the
reconstruction of 2 low profile west jetty will be 45' length same as it is now.
The east jetty taking the line out from 45' and taken the straight end of that other
bulkhead go out another 45' whatever that measurement is that is how far the west
jetty. Parallel to meet the same difference from the front of the bulkhead as the
west jetty, 3-1/2 feet down from top of the bulkhead. TRUSTEE POLIWODA
seconded. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KRUPSKI abstained.
VI. MOORINGS:
GREGORY YAKABOSKI requests a mooring in Cedar Beach for a 24'
boat. ACCESS: Private.
TRUSTEE FOSTER moved to table the application because of waiting list.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA Seconded. ALL AYES
PETER L. TREXLER requests a Duck Blind in West Creek. ACCESS:
Public. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to deny application. TRUSTEE
FOSTER Seconded. ALL AYES
MEETING ADJOUNED AT: 11:00 pm
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