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MEMBER
Robert ~v./. Gillispie, Jn, Chairman
Robert Bergen
Charles C~rigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, ..Ir.
Frea' Hulse, Jr,
$outhold Town Board of Appeals
SDUTHOLD, L. I., N.Y. 11g'71
Telephone 765-2660
MINUTES
$0UTg0LD TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
May 4, 1972
A regular meeting o£ the Southold Town Board of Appeals was
held at 7:30 P.M., Thursday, May 4, 1.?E, at the Town Office
Main Road, Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs: Robert W. Gillispie, Jr., Chairman;
Robert Bergen; Charles Grigonis, Jr.; Fred gulse, Jr. (8:15 P.M.)
Absent: ~. Serge Doyen, Jr.
Also present: Mr. goward Terry, Building Inspector.
PUBLIC HEARING: ?:30 P.M. (~.S.T.), upon application of
tenant and Carl Schaub, owner, for a variance in accordance with
the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 50~, for permission
to install a fence on a corner lot over 3 ft. high. Location of
property: ~$es~ Road and Holden Avenue, Fleets Neck, Cutchogue,
New York; bounded north by B. ~aul; east by P. Griswold; south
by West Road; and west by golden Avenue.
(M~. gowa~d~ w Terry, B~ld~ng' ' Inspector, informed the Appeals
Board that theapplicant' had not as yet arrived to speak
the variance, ge bad-indicated to M~. Terry that he would attend
the hearing at which time he would pay the fee.)
On motion by ~. Gillfspie, seconde~ by F~. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals postpone
the hea~ing on applica~.ion of tenant and Carl Schaub, owner, until
the other hearings have been heard tonight or, if applicant does
not arrive at the Town office in time to be heard, the ~outhold
Town Board of Appeals will postpone hearing until a later date.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Grigonis.
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PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal Ne. 1526 - 7:40 P.M. (E.~.T.), upon
applicatienef Robert and Phyllis Mallgraf, Goose Creek Lane
(private read), ~uthold, New York, for a variance in accordance
with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, ~ectien 303, for per-
mission te build an addition and reduce existing average setback.
Location of property: north side Goose Breek Lane, west side
north road te Bay View, Southold, New York, bounded north by
Geese Creek; east by Rumpler; south by Goose Creek Lane
(private road); and Nest by Irmescueo Fee paid $15.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to
its publication in the official newspapers, and notice to the
applicant.
THE CHAIRMAN: The application is accompanied by a sketch
which indicates that the existing dwelling is 30 ft. x 36 ft. and
is located about 102 ft. from the private read to the north. The
let is 75 ft. wide on Goose Creek. The proposal is to expand with
bedrooms and bath, and garage. There will still be a 58 foot front
yard te the private road.
T~ CHAIR~N: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
for this application?
MR. ROBERT C. MALLGRAF: There are restrictions in the Deed
that say we canlt build a two story house because of the people
behind us. We w~ld block their view of the water. We have owned
the house for about 20 years.
(Mr. Mallgraf and the Beard discussed the sketch.)
THE CHAIR~N: Is there anyone else who wishes to speak for
this application?
(There was no response.)
THE CHAIR~N: Is there anyone present who wishes te speak
against this application?
(There was ne response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
applicant requests permission to build an addition and reduce
existing average setback on property located on the north side
of Geese Creek Lane, Beuthold, New York. The findings of the
Board are that applicant has owhed the property and dwelling
prier to zoning. The dwelling is situated on a narrow lot and
the applicant is prohibited from expanding upwards or from
expanding in the sideya~ds. The front yard will be 58 feet to
the private read.
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The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance
would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is unique and would not be shared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property
and in the same use district; and the variance will not change
the character of the neighborhood and will observe the spirit
of the Ordinance.
On motion by ~. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED Robert and Phyllis Mallgraf, Goose Creek Lane
(private road), ~outhold, New York, be GRANTED permission, as
applied for, to build an addition and reduce existing average
setback. Location of property: north side Goose Creek Lane,
west side north road to Bay View, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Grigonis.
PUBLIC HF~ARING: Appeal No. 1525 - 7:50 P.M. (E.S.T.), upon
application of James Mulhall, Kenney~s Road, $outhold, New YOrk,
for a variance in accordanc~ with the Zoning Ordinance, Article
III, Section 305, for permission to erect a fence exceeding
3 ft. in height in the front yard area. Location of property:
west side of Kenney~s Road, Lots l, 2, 3 Map of Kenneywood,
Southold, New York. Fee paid $15.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to
its publication in the official newspapers, and notice to the
applicant.
THE CHAIRMAN: The application is accompanied by sketches
indicating: ~. Original Road Level - Raised Shoulder Reflects
Traffic Noise. B. New Road Level - Traffic Noise Directed Toward
House. ~. Fence Reflects Large Percent of Noise.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
for this application?
MR. JA2~S MULHALL: I am applying for the variance. This
has been a problem for a number of years, since the road level
was raised. I have a large number of trees in the front yard
and it does afford a funneling effect into the main living
quarters and especially into my son's bedroom. We have been
living in the area for fifteen years and we have noticed the noise
more since th? large colony of summer residents have come. I have
made aPPlication (not formal) on several occasions~ and a verbal
~ppe~l to the SuperviSor to have the speed limit reduced from
0 mzles per hour to 30 miles per hour. The Siupervisor explained
that it would be a very difficult process.
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THE CHAIRMAN: I think it would be a good idea to keep after
the proper authorities to reduce the speed limit.
MR. MULHALL: We did not know what to do~ We thought a fence
of this type might be effective. I was not aware of the Hew
Ordinance so I purchased the fence at considerable expense. It's
a stockade fence and we noticed immediate relief. My son noticed
that he can sleep much better. He is a light sleeper. We have
solved one problem but created another problem because we did
not go along with the new regulations.
THE CHAIRMAN: I sympathize with the problem because I live
on a sea-wall. On a quiet night you can hear people talking from
a distance. It is like an echo. This is a problem that exists
all over town. It is not unusual or unique.
MR. MULHALL: I think it is unique because of the raised
road level.
THE CHAIRMAN:
MR. MU~LL:
relief.
That is not subject to our control.
I am still the victim, and I am looking for
THE CHAIRMAN: Noise and traffic are causes outside of our
control, i would have to take the position that you do not have
unique hardship because this is something that many of us are
suffering from.
FA~. MD'LHALL: It has an actual funneling effect. I built
fifteen years ago and it was advertised as a quiet, residential
area but it is not quiet with a fifty mile speed limit. I have
a petition to have the speed limit reduced. I would like to have
m~ son be able to sleep.
THE CHAIRFAN: t dontt believe this can be used as legal
Justification for a variance to the zoning ordinance.
MR. MULHALL: t have no neighbors in front or in back or on
either side of me so it would not affect the value of their
property, it is all farmland.
~HE CHAIRMAN: t dontt believe this is the proper place to
reduce traffic noise. If we did '~his we would negate the
Ordinance. That is the position we would have to take.
MR. M~LHALL:
THE CHAIRMAN:
MR. MULHALL:,
E~nat alternative do I have?
i would suggest that you see the Town Attorney.
I have seen the ToWn Highway Department and i
understood from them that there was nothing that could be done.
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TEE CHA_IRN~N: We are not empowered to change the Ordinance
so we can't relieve traffic noise in the Town of ~o~thold.
MR. MULHALL: My diagram shows a unique situation. I am a
physics teacher and i am familiar with different types of noise.
This was not done on a whim.
· HE CHAL~qMAN: Is the fence on your own property?
MR. MULHALL: It certainly is. You may look at my marker.
It is not on Town Road property.
THE CHAIP~MAN: Is it 6 inches inside your property line?
E. ~JLHALL: I know it's on my own property; whether it is
6 inches, I don't know. Is the marker ~ inches in width? I
might be 5~'~ or 5 3/4~.insi~e the line I have a problem (my
family can't sleep) whzch d~d not exis9 before the road was
built up.
THE CHAIR~.N: I don't think this is a legal basis for
hardship, either as unique or unusual.
THE CHALRMAN: Does anyone else wish to speak for this
application?
(There was no response.)
THE CH~IRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
against this application?
(There was no response)
~fter investigation and inspection the Board finds that
applicant requests permission to erect a fence exceeding
3 feet in height in the front yard area on the west side of
Kenney~s Road, Bouthold, New York. The findings of the Board
are that this is not an unusual hardship in the Town of
~outhold; it is not unique; and to grant would, in fact, require
the Board of Appeals to assume the legislative Function of the
Town Board.
The Board finds that strict application of the 0rdiuance
would not produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hargship created is not unique and would be shared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property and
in the same use district; and the variance will change the
character ef the neighborhood and will not observe the spirit of
the Ordinance.
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On motion by ME. Gillispie, seconded by Y~. Grigonis, it was
RE~OLVED James Mulhall, Kenneyts Road, $outhold, New York,
be DENieD permission to erect a fence exceeding 3 ft. in height
in the front yard area of property located on the west side of
Kenney~s Road, Lots l, 2, 3 M~o of Kenneywood, Southold, New
York.
Vote of the Board~ Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Grigonis.
(Applicant was not satisfied with the unanimous decision of
the Board. The Chairman informed Mr. James Mulhall that he could
appeal the decision within thirty days.)
PUBL~ HEARING: Appeal No. 1524 - 8:10 P.M. (E.~.T.), upon
application of Walter Haller, ~-C Bayview Avenue, Southold, New
York, for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,
Article III, Section 305, for permission to erect a fence exceeding
3 feet in height in the front yard area. Location of property:
Bayv~e~ Avenue, L~ts 84 and 85, ~u~er Haven, Map ll~, Greenport
New York. Fee pa!d ~15.00. '
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to
its publication in the official n~wspapers, and notice to the
applicant.
T~ CHALW{~N: The application is accompanied by a sketch
which shows the layout of the property.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
for this applzcat~on.
MR. WALTER HALIER: I would like to have a four foot high
fence mainly to keep my dog confined, and to have privacy. My
dog is a seven year old Dalmatian, well behaved, but she likes
to go through ga_wbage cans which is annoying to neighbors. I
would like to keep her on the property.
THE CHAIRMAN: You probably heard the hearing of the
previous application. We are limited as to what we can do in
the front yard area. In the side yards and in the rear yard
you can go to 6~6~ so I believe the way to contain a dog, as
far as zoning is concerned, is to fence the backyard.
MRS. HALLER: ZF we were to put a three foot Fence across
the front yard it wonld not match our next door neighborts fence.
TH~ CHAIR~&N: Their fence was erected prior to this Zoning
Ordinance. It is a non-conforming use.
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MRS. HALLER: How far back could we go?
THE C~IR~N: 6 inches off your property line.
(The Chairman and Mr. and Mrs. Haller discussed the
property lines.)
THE C~&IRF~N: You may put a 6'6~ fence in the rear and/or
side yards; or a 4 foot fence if you prefer.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who w~shes to speak
against this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
applicant requests permission to erect a fence exceeding three
feet in height in the front yard area on property located on
Bayview Avenue, Lots 84 and 85, ~u~m~er Haven, Map 1133, Greenport,
New York. The Board finds that it must deny this application
for the reason that, according to the new Zoning Ordinance, a
fence in the front yard area must not exceed three feet in height.
The Board Finds that applicant may erect a fence in the rear yard
or sideyard areas to a height of
e .... 6t6~, the fence to be no closer
than 6 from the property line.
The Board finds that ' ~ -
strzc~ application of the 0rd~nance
would not p~oduce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is not unique and would be shared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property and
in the same use district; and the variance will change the
character of the neighborhood and wil~ not observe the spir~
- ~t of
the Ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by ~. Grigonis, it was
R~OLVED Walter Haller, 4~-C BayView Avenue, Southo~d, New
York, be DEN~ED p rmzss~on to erect a fence exceeding 3 feet in
height in the front yard area, as applied for. LoCation of
property: Bayv~w Avenme, Lots 84 and 85, Summer Haven, Map 1133,
Greenport, New York,
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Grigonis.
PUBLIC HEARING: ApPeal No. 1522 8:20 o ~
. - ~.M. (E.S.T.), upon
application of Harold Raynor and Wife, 131 !Stlrling Street, Greenoort
New York, for approval of access under Section 280A of the Town L~w.
Location of property: right-of-way off north side Manhanset Avenue,
Greenport, New York, bounded north by Dow; east by Gull Pond;
south by L. Tuthill and others; and west by Poll and Dow. Fee pd $15.00.
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The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for approval oF access, legal notice of hearing, affidavit
attesting to its publication in the official newsoapers, and
notice to the applicant. -
THE CHAIRF~_N: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
for this application?
(There was no response.)
THE CHAIRM~N: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
aoaznsv this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
applicant requests approval of access. Location of property:
right-of-way off north side of Manhanset Avenue, Greenport,
New York. The findings of the Board are that applicant has an
excel~t driveway into this property, and it is the belief of
the Board that the Building Inspector should give approval.
The Board agrees with the reasoning of the applicant.
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance
would produce practical dz_ficu!ties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is unique and would not be shared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property and
in the same use district; and the variance will not change the
character of the neighborhood and will observe the spirit of the
0rd.nance.
On motion by M~. Hulse, seconded by !rm. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED Harold Raynor and wife, 131 Stifling Street, Greenport,
New York, be G~ANTER approval of access, as applied for. Location
of property: right-of-way off north side Manhanset Avenue,
Greenport, New York.
Vote of the Board:
Grigonis.
Ayes:- Messrs: Gi!lispie, Bergen, Hulse,
PUBLIC HEA~ING. Appeal No. 1523 - 8:30 P.M. (.S.T.), upon
application of Ernest Maser, 23 Roiiver ~treet, R
utherzord, New
Jersey, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning
Ordinance, Article iii, ~ection 300, B-l, for permission to
convert an existing dwelling into a two family d ellzng. Location
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of property: right-of-way off west side Sixth Street, Greenport,
New York, bounded north by J. Pzrzllo~ east by Private road,
south by Peconic Bay, and west by William Braun. Fee paid $1~. 00.
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The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a special exception, legal notice ef hearing, affidavit
attesting to its publication in the official newspapers, and
notice to the applicant.
THE CHAIRM~N: For the record: The Southold Town Board of
Appeals wrote to tl~e Village of Greenport on April 26, 1972 as
follows: '~We have an application from Ernest Maser, R.0.W. off
W/S 6th Street (former Ellsworth property) for special exception
to convert existing dwellingkto two family dwelling. Copy of
legal notice enclosed. Please acknowledge receipt of this notice
on copy of this letter enclosed. (Signed- Robert W. Gillispie, Jr.,
Chairman, Bd. Appeals).~ Mabel Harris, Village Clerk, acknowledged
receipt ef notice on 4/27/?2.
We have two petitions, both of which are worded as fellows:
~Board of Appeals: it has been brought to our attention that
the old Ellswerth (Cook) house off 6th Street in Greenport has
a binder on it with all intentions of breaking down the zoning
from Residential f'A~ to multiple dwelling. We, the members of
the Cove Circle Association are all firmly against such a change."
Signatures on Petition #1: Robert A. Braun, Franklin Ashby,
Janet M. Ashby, Cynthia S. Pirillo, Anthony K~Nichols, Mary Nichols,
Art.hut G. Coffin, Helen F. Coffin, Martin Schwartz, Florence Schwartz.
Signatures on Petition #2: W. H. Braun, Robertina Braun, Harriet
9. Scott, Alexander Ecott, F. L. Simpson, Joseph H. Braun, Evelyn
Braun, Jacob N. Tyler, Wilhemina Tyler, Dorothy Combes, James J.
Pirilto, George Simpson.
We have also received a letter from Robert A. Braun, Box 457,
North Country Road, Miller Place, N. Y. vehemently opposing the
request of the applicant.
Letter dated April 25, 1972, addressed to the Boa_~dl of Appeals,
was received from Mr. Ernest Maser. The letter authorizes James
01sen or William Natisch, Jr. of 01sen Realty, Inc., Route 25,
Mattituck, L. I., N. Y., to appear in his behalf at the hearing
on his Application f~r a special exception scheduled for May 4th,
1972, at 8:30 P.M. (E,D,~.T.) at the Town 0ff~ce, Main Road,
Southold, New York.
THE C~MAN: The applicant states that the area of the
premises is in excess of the required 80,000 sq. ft. Our in-
vestigation indicated that it was considerably less. We examined
the T~ Map here in the office and it looks as if it is more like
35,000 sq. ft.
THE CHALRMAN: is there anyone present who wishes to speak for
this application?
MR. ERNEST MASER:I went out to the property and looked it
over. I don~t want to step on anybody's toes, I like to get along
wlth ~y neighbors, and I would like to be friendly in every way.
I thought I could make it a two family house when I purchased it.
However, I am not trying to press it. There are a lot of windows
broken, i den~t know how long it has been standing like that.
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MR. ERNEST MASER (conttd): i am mainly concerned with the
damage that I have seen there, the vandalism, and I thought that
somebody should be there at all times.
THE CHAIRMAN: Have you seen a survey of this property?
MR. MA~ER: I was under the impression that it was 100 feet
by 300 feet.
THE CHAIRMAN: That would make it 30,000 sq. ft. You state
in the application that it is 80,000 sq. ft.
MR. I~.SER: The only reason I want to make it into a two-
family house is because of damage being done to the house.
THE CHA~IR~N: Do you not also want to derive income to
help carry the property?
MR. M&SER: No~ I don~t want that twisted around. I don~t
want to step on anybody's toes. Mainly I want someone there full
time.
TtTE CHAIR3~N: Is there anyone else who wishes to speak for
this application?
MR. JAMES Or_~EN: I am here to speak for the application.
Under the new ordinance this would require two acres of land.
This property is supplied by Village water.
THE CHAIR~%N: Under the new Ordinance the requirement is
for 80,000 sq. ft. fe~ a two family house. You have applied
for a special exception on a plot that is 30,000 sq. ft. The
Tax Map appears to show 35,000 sq. ft. Anyway, it is less than
half the reqnired acreage and this Board would not be legally
able to grant a variance. You ha~e applied for a special ex-
ception that the Board could grant on 80,000 sq. ft. We took
the view originally that it was better to have some' of the older
houses occupied by two or more families than not to have them
in use at all. The Supreme Court upheld us and the Appellate
Division upheld us but we are not a legislative body. The new
Ordinance states 80,000 sq. ft. for a two family dwelling. Some
people think that is too high, and others agree with it. This
is a hardship that applies to anyone in the Town of Southold.
This would not be unique or unusual hardship and it would change
the character of the neighborhood. This will have to be denied for
those reasons.
~ometimes we have to take a position directly opposite to the
popular view. Tonight, the popular position is "against" but if you
had 80,000 sq. ft. I think we would be required to grant. A special
exception is really a required exception. As far as this Board
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is concerned if an applicant meets the requirements this Board
should grant the relief he seeks. In this case, the applicant
doesn't meet the'requirements.
THE CHA]!qMAN: Does anyone else wish to speak for this
appl~catzon.
(There was no response.)
THE CHAIRMAN: Is the~e anyone present who wishes to speak
against this appl~catmon,
MR. WILLIAM BRAUN: I have lived here for eighteen y~earm and
I liVed in that house for seven years and never had any t~ouble.
I now live in the houseadjacent' to it and have had no vandalism.
I just come out on weekends.
THE CHAIRMAN: How long has the Ellsworth house been vacant?
MR, BRAUN: The Cooks came out last summer. We have had no
trouble. It would not be necessary to make it a two family
house. I think the house was left in that condition by the Cooks.
MR. JAMEE PIRILLO: Anyone can walk in that house. They
left the doors wide open.
THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone wish to tell us why you don~t
think a two family house should be there?
MR. ALEXandER ECOTT: The biggest pr~olem is probably with
cesspools. The Village won't supply a sewer line. They shut it
off when I put my house there. I have cesspools.
EHE CHAIRMAN: Where are you located?
MR. SCOTT: i am east of the Ellsworth house. Mine is the
new house.
MR. OLS~N: There is a sewage line leadl.~g in but the Village
stopped it.
THE CH~IRMA~N: Are there any other questzons.
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
applicant requests permission to convert an existing dwelling
into a two family dwelling on property located- right-of-way
off west side Sixth Street, Greenport, New York. The findings
of the Board are that applicant does not meet the requirements
of the Zoning Ordinance to establish a two family house,
particularly in respect to the size of the property.
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The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and
Justice will not be se~ed and the legally established or
permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use
districts will be permanently or substantially injured and the
spirit of the Ordinance Will not be observed.
On motion by Mm. Giliispie, seconded byMr. G~igonis, it was
RE~OLVEDErnest Maser, 23 Rolive~ ~treet, Rutherford, N. J.,
be DENIED permission to convert an existing dwelling into a two
family dwelling at property located- right-of-way off west side
~ixth Street, Greenport, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1528 - 8:40 P.M. (E.~.T.), upon
application of Edward Houghton, 37 No. Babylon Turnpike, Merrick,
New York, for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,
Article III, ~ecion 300-C,2, and Section 302, for permission to
maintain a private swimming pool, located partially in the side
yard area. Location of property: Lot #48, Green Acres at Orient,
west side Greenway East, Orient, New York. Fee paid $15.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to
its publication in the official newspapers, and notice to the
applicant.
(The Chairman m~so read letter addressed to Mr. Howard Terry,
Building Inspector from ~. E. F. Houghton, dated April 21, 1972.)
THE CHAIRMAN: The application is .accompanied by a survey of
Van Tuyl indicating that the pool is on the north side of the house,
partially in the side yard and partially in the rear yard. The
lot is 165 feet on G~eenway East, 130 feet in depth on the north,
126 feet in depth Oh the southerly boundary, and 162 feet plus on
the westerly boundary. ~
THE CHAIRM&N: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
for this application?
MR, EDWARD F, HOUGHTON: I am the owner. We are moving from
Orient to ~outhold and, of course, have to sell that property. I
did not realize that we did not have a Certificate of Occupancy
for the pool.
TRE CHA. IRM&~N: ~There is a pool in a similar location that was
granted a variance~.{The Chairman read from the application). Who
has that pool?
MR. HOUGHTON: Mr. Daniel Archer.
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MR. ROBERT BERGEN: Is the pool fenced in?
MR. HOUGHTON: Yes, it does conform to requirements.
THE C~IRMAN: When did you build this pool?
MR. HOUGHTON: in 1966.
THE CHAIRMAN: I don~t believe we had much in the Ordinance
about pools at that time, they were called accessory structures.
MR. HOUGHTON: I didn't know that the pool was not located
in the rear yard. We had several trees in the back that we
wanted to keep. It seemed to be the best location.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
against this application?
(Ther® was ne response.)
THE CHAIRMAN: &re there any · *
~. questzonSo
(There was ne response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board f~nds that
applicant requests permission to maintain a private swimming
peel, located partially in the side yard area of Lot ~8, Green
Acres at Orient, New York. The findings of the Board are that
applicant was unaware of variance restrictions; there have been
no objections from neighbors te the location of the pool; one
neighbor with a pool in a similar location has received a
variance; the pool was built in ~766 at which time no permit
was necessary for an in-ground pool. The Board agrees with
~he reasoning of the applicant.
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance
would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is u'n~que and would not be shared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property and
in the same use district; and the variance will not change the
character of the neighborhood and will observe the spirit of
the Ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RE~OLVED Edward Houghton, 37 No. Babyion Turnpike, Merrick,
New York, be GRANTED permission to maintain a private swimming
pool, located partially in the side yard area on Lot #48, Green
Acres at Orient, New Pork.
Vote of the Board:
Grigonis.
~yes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
~.outhold Town Board ef Appeals
May 4, 1972
On motion by Nv. Gillispie, seconded by I*~. Itutse, it was
RE~OLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Board of
Appeals dated April 20, 1972, be approved as submitted, subject
to the following corrections:
Appeal No. 1521, Alex J, Danowski, Cutchogue, New York:
$orrection on Action: ~t~e hardship created is unique and would
e shared by all propertmes alike~ changed to ~'the hardshi~c-~ated
zs unique and would not be shared.by all"'properties alike~,.
Appeal No, 1520, Richard Cron: Last sentence of restrictions
changed to read: ~The r~ght of way shall run with the cohtour of
the land rather than filling the natural drainage areas." Also,
correction on &ctien: Wthe hardship created is unique and would
be shared by all properties alike" chan$e.d to "the hardship----
created is unique and would not be shared by'all properties alike".
Vote of the Board: A
yes.- Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse, Grigonis.
On m~ien by M~. Giltispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RE~OLVED that the action of the ~outhold Town Board of
Appeals dated April 6, 1972, Appeal No. 1500, Peter Neyland, ll5
Broadway, Rockville Centre, New York, be amended as fellows:
~entence added to last paragraph of ~$nditions: '~f water is
not extracted from this let, this restriction does not apply."
Also, ~the harc~hip created is unique and would be shared by all
properties alike~ chan~ed to ~the hardship created is unique and
.wou.ld net be sha~ed by all properties alike".
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillisple, Bergen, Hulse,
On motion by F~. Gillispie, seconded by N~. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED tha~ the action of the Southold Town Board of Appeals
on Appeal No, 1483, Kathleen and Walter Potocki, January 6, 1972,
be Changed in the last paragraph to read 130 feet (plus or minus)
instead of 13% feet.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Giltispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Gr_gonzs.
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The members of the Board of Appeals held an informal dis-
cussion with Mr. Robert Parkin, Bay Avenue, Cutchogue, New York,
regarding swimming pool. Mr. Parkin asked the Board of Appeals
to look over plans to see if, in their opinion, it is feasible
to start excavating. The Chairman stated that they did not see
any difficulty and scheduled a hearing for 7:30 P.M., Thursday,
May 25, 1972.
The members of the Board of Appeals held an informal dis-
cussion with Angelo and Hazel Petrucci, Bay Avenue, Cutchogue,
New York. Mr. Petrucci discussed 1968 map of his property with
the Board and stated that he wishes to sell three lots. The
Building Inspector informed the Board that on this survey- there
is ~ere than enough area for two lots but not enough for three.
The Chairman stated that according to the 1968 survey three lots
would be out of the question but two lots of 30,000 sq. ft. each
could be justified on a hardship basis. I¢~. Petrucci presented
the Board with a new survey of Van Tuyl showing 40,000 sq. ft. and
43,000 sq. Ft. and a piece of land across the canal that goes with
it. The Chairman informed Mr. Petrucci that according to the new
survey dated April 25, 1972 he does not need a variance.
Mrs. Gilbert of the 0ysterponds Historical Society held an
informal discussion with the Board of Appeals. Mrs. Gilbert said
that the ~ociety had had a little souvenier shop inside Village
House where they sold postcards, maps, etc. and that this year
they would like to expand that operation. They would like to have
the shop in the right hand front room of the Vail House. It would
be open only two days a week, Thursday and Saturday, from 2:00 P.M.
to ~:00 P.M. In addition to maps and postcards they would like to
have some old, or antique, things that people llke to take home.
Mrs. Gilbert showed pictures to the Board of the Vail House and
pointed out the room that they want to use. It would only be open
for three months of the year. The Chairman stated that the thing
to do would be to apply for a special exception as relocating a
non-confozauing use from one building to another would be by special
exception under the present Ordinance.
On motion by F~. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
REEOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold Town
Board of Appeals will be held at 7:30 P.M., Thursday, May 25, 1972,
at the Town OFfice, Main Road, Eouthold, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: mll~spze, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis.
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May 4, 1972
0n motion by F~. Grigonis, seconded by i~!~. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED that the ~outhold Town Board of Appeals set 7:30
P.M. (E.D.$.T.), Thursday, May 2%, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application o£ Robert Parkin, Bay Avenue, Cutchogue, New
York, for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,
Article IIi, ~ection 300 C-2, for a permit to build a swimming
pool in side yard. Location of property: north side Bay Avenue,
Cutchogue, New York, bounded north by Quilty; east by lands now
or formerly of Petrucci; south by Bay &venue; and west by land now
or formerly of Kelly.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis.
On motion by Mr-. Hulse, seconded by M~. Grigonis, it was
REBOL~ED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set 7:~0
P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Jack Driscoll, North 0akwood Drive, Laurel,
New York, for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,
Article III, Section 301, for permission to divide and use as sep-
arate lots Lot numbers I and 2, Map of Saltaire Estates, Sound View
Avenue, Ealtaire Way, Mattituck, New York.
Vote of the Board: ~yes:- Messrs: Gil!ispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis.
On motion by ~. Gillispie, seconded by F~. Bergen, it was
REEOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set 7:%0
P.M. (E.D.~.T.), Thursday, May 2%, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Sou~hold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of &lbert Garbade, Indian Neck Lane, Peconic,
New York, for an application to offse~ an undersized lot and
build a one family dwelling and a variance in accordance with the
Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 301, and Article II, Section
203, subd. ~. Location of property: west side of Indian Neck Lane,
Peconic, New York, bounded north by land now or formerly of A. Sacco;
east by Indian Neck Lane; south by Vaitis; and west by land now or
formerly of A. ~acco.
Vote of the Beard: ~yes:- Messrs: Gz_t~spie,'l ' Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis o
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May 4, 1972
On motion by ~. Bergen, seconded by ~. Gillispie, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set 8:10
P.M. (E.D.~.T.), Thursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Read, ~outhold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Philip 0~Frias, Bay View Road, $outhold, K. Y.,
for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III,
Section 305, to erect a fence ever three feet high in the front
yard area. Location of property: north side of Bay View Road,
$outhold, New York, bounded north by C. and P. Dickerson; east by
J~ Jacques; south by Bay View Road; and west by Dickerson-Vanmater.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- MessrS: Gmll~sp~e, Bergen, Hulse,
Grlgonis.
On motion by ~ir. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED that the ~outhold Town Board of Appeals set 8:20
P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of George Miller, Oak Drive, Heydon Shores,
Southold, New ~7ork, for a variance in accordance with the Zoning
Ordinance, Article III, Section 301 to build an addition on
existing building with insufficient side yard. Location of
property: Map of Reydon Shores, Lots 31, 32, and 33, Section D,
Bouthold, New Fork.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis.
On motion by Mr. Hulse, seconded by ~. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set 8:30
P.M. (E.D.~.T.), Thursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Lillian Huhnken, Stillwater Avenue, Cutchogue,
New York, fo~ a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,
Article III, Section 301, to divide seven lots with existing
dwelling into three lots. Location of property: Track Avenue and
Etillwater Avenue, Cutchogue, New York, Map o£ M. So Hand, Lots
46, 47, 48, 73, 74, 75, and 76, CUtehogue, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis.
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May 4, 1972
On motion by I~r. Grigonis, seconded by F~. Bergen, it was
RESOL~ that the Somthold Town Board of Appeals set 8:45
P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Margaret Katzenberg, Town Harbor Lane,
~outhold, New York, for a variance in accordance with the Zoning
Ordinance, Article III, Section 301, for permission to set off
mndersized lot with existing dwelling. Location of property:
south side of Indian Neck Lane, Peconic, New York, bounded north
by Indian Neck Lane; east by land now or formerly of Jo Dauth;
south by Little pe chic Bay; and west by land now or formerly of
MY L. Wiles ~state.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonls.
On motion by ~. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Bo~rd of Appeals set 9:00
P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Salvatore Loria, First and King Street, New
Suffolk, New York, for a variance in accordance with the Zoning
Ordinance, Article III, Section 300 and Article VII, Section
700 B-3, for permission to use a private garage as co~aercial
storage. Location of property: west side of First Street,
New Suffolk, New York, bomnded north by Benick; east by First
Street; south by C. Avent; and west by Mary and Start Victoria.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs~ Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis.
On motion by Mr. Hulse, seconded by M~, Grlgonis, it was
R~SOLVED that the Southoid Town Board of Appeals set 9:20
P.M. (E.D.$.T.), Thursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Thomas and Virginia Jernick, Shelter Island,
New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning
Ordinance, Article VIII, Section 800 B-3, to use premises and
operate a commercial storage building. Location of property:
south side of Corwin Street, Greenport, New York, bounded north
by Corwin Street; east by Seventh Street; south by Long Island
Railroad; and west by Emghtn Street; now or formerly lots numbered
45, 46, 47, 48 and 49 on Map of S. B. Corwin, Greenport, New~ork.
Vote of tSe Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis.
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May 4, 1972
0n motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by ~. Gillispie, it was
R~0LVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set 9:30
P.M. (E.D.~.T.), Thursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Robert Vanderbeck, 2475 West Creek Avenue,
Cutchogue, New York, for a variance in accordance with the
Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 301, for permission to
build an addition on existing dwelling with insufficient side
yard. Location of property: eqst side of West Creek AvenUe,
Cutchogue, New York, bounded north by William May; east by E. Mort;
south by G. Barning; and west by West Creek Avenue.
Vote of ~he Board:
Grigonis~
Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
On motion by Mr. Gzll_sp~e, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set 9:45
P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday, M~y 2%, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of James Dean, New Suffolk Avenue, Cutchogue,
New York, for a variance in accordance with the Zoni~ Ordinance,
Article III, Section 300 C-3, for permission to build an accessory
building in front yard area. Location of property: Lot number 9,
Map of Downsview, south side of Dean Drive, Cutchogue, New York.
Vot~ of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonls.
On motion by M~. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED that the ~euthold Town Board of Appeals Set 9:5~
P.M. (~.D.S.T.), Thursday, May 2~, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of 0ysterponds Historical Society, !nc., Village
Lane, Orient, NewYork, for a special exception in accordance
with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III and XI!, Sections 300 B-3
and 1204 a, b, and c, for permission to relocate a non-conform-
ing use within the same property and in a different building.
Location of property: east side of Village Lane, Orient, New
York, bounded north by Mabel Richards; east by Andrade; south by
Ledy; and west by Village Lane.
Vote of the BOard: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Gr~gon~s.
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May 4, 1972
On motion by 1~. Grigonis, seconded by M~. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of &ppeals set 10:10
P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday, May 25, 1972, at the Totem Office,
Main Road, Southeld, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Marjorie Baker a/c Universalist C~hurch Ladies
League, Southold, New York, for a special permit in accordance
with Zoning Ordinance Article III, Section B, subd. 14, to
conduct a yard sale for the Benefit of the Church Society.
Location of property: premises o~fMarjorie Baker, Youngs Avenue
and Main Street, Southold, New York. Date of sale to be July 5,
1972.
Vote of the Board:
Grigonls.
&yes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
On motion by Mr. Hulse, seconded by Mr. Gillisple, it was
RESOLVED that the Southoid Town Board of Appeals set 10:20
P.M. (E.D.SoT.), Thursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as tlme time and place of b_earing
upon application of Agatha Wilkinson, Oaklawn Avenue, ~outhold,
New ~Vork, for a special permit in accordance with Zoning
Ordinance Article III, Section B, subd. 14, to conduct a yard sale
on premises east side of 0aklawn Avenue, Southold, New York,
bounded north by Ulrich; east by C. Grigonis; south by C. Neese;
and west by 0aklawn Avenue. Date of sale to be July l~, 1972;
rain date July 16, 1972.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs:Gillispie, Bergeu;Hulse,Grigonls.
0n motion by ~. Gillispie, seconded by M~. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set 10:30
P.M. (E.D.S.T.), T_hursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Arthur Epurway, Sound View Avenue, 8outhold,
New York, for a variance in accordance with the Zoning 0rdinauce,
Article IIZ, Section 501, for permission to divide property and
set off lot with existing dwelling. Location of property: south
side of Soundview Avenue, Southold, New York, bounded north by
Soundview Avenue; east by Bailey, Jacobi, Latham and others; south
by Town. of Southold and others; and west by Terp.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis.
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May 4, 1972
On motion by ~. Bergen, seconded by M~. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set 10:45
P.M. (~.D.~.T.), T_hursday, May 25, 1972, at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Barbara Haurus, Main Road, Cutchogue, New
York, for a special permit in accordance with the Zoning
Ordinance Article Iii, Section B, subd. 14, to conduct a yard
sale on premises north side of Main Road, Cutchogue, New York,
bounded north by Coyne; east by Rowland; south by Main Road;
and west by Coyne.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Grigonis.
The Meeting was adjourned at 10:50 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
PPROV£D .
cgermott, Secretary
~rm~-$~P~~/~/ ~outh~l~ Tow~ BOard of ~ppea~s
Rbb'~rt ~ Gillispi'e, Jr.,~hair~n