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•�f WHEREAS, Port of Egypt Enterprises, Inc. is the owner of
the property known and designated as Port of Egypt Enterprises,
Inc. SCTM #1000-56-4-10.1 and 56.6-3 .1, 3 .3, 4 & 6.1, located
at Route 25, Southold; and
WHEREAS, a formal application for the approval of this site
plan was submitted on January 18, 1989; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the
State Environmental Quality Review Act, (Article 8) , Part 617,
declared itself Lead Agency and issued a Negative Declaration on
June 20, 1989 ; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Site Plan Regulations
of the Town of Southold have been met;
be it therefore,
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant
conditional final approval on the surveys dated July 20, 1992
and September 13 , 1990, subject to the survey dated July 20,
1992 being stamped and signed by a licensed surveyor, engineer,
or architect and receipt of certification by the Principal
Building Inspector of the plans dated July 20, 1992 and
September 13, 1990. The approval is subject to a one year
review from the date of the Certificate of Occupancy. All
conditions must be met within six (6) months of the date of this
resolution.
Mr. McDonald: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. , I have nothing left on my agenda, does
anyone out there have any questions or comments for the Board?
Mr. Henry Raynor: Mr. Chairman, members of the Board. I
represent Manor Hill Vineyard. I understand from your staff
this week that there were some concerns and questions on the
proposal I discussed at the last meeting and I am here if there
are any questions that I can clear up with regard to the
proposal and the development of sections of the vineyard with an
average lot area of five acres. I will be happy before we go
any further ( inaudible) feel that this is an opportunity to
establish some different residential construction within the
Town over a period of years. We certainly (inaudible) .
SOUTHOLD PLANNING BOARD 17
JULY 21, 1992
Planning Board looking at maps.
Mr. Orlowski: Some of the Board me8110srs had some ideas that
maybe we could use the cluster provision and obtain some
different size lots and also preserve some open space and also a
mix with the five acre lots. I don't
You or what you are looking for, if know what that does for
because of the water You are looking for relief
quality, and to speed things up are you
locking to the
Y Promote mini vineyard here or "vinerettes. "
Mr. Raynor: Basically, I have no aversion to listening to any
proposal in variance to the five acres as creating a five acre
Dedensity I think particularly over the water protection area
partes ment of Health Services. Yood sense. I don' t want es, we(canuProce) the
acre density and because of the depth of theaquifereed
on a two
particular location, we have no problems in meetingrthe
at that
specifications of the Department of Health. I spent
considerable time in discussing this with the principals
involved with the vineyard at this point and they would rather
see the perpetuity of this vineyard in that the developat be
two and a half times the density allowed by the Town. They also
think it is a great marketing tool. We would propose to
construct wherever possible the building envelopes Outside the
existing vineyard. This is, right now, an all working
vineyard. What we are trying to do is just get a mix and
moderate reports of action and certainly a moderate density on
the property.
Mr. Orlowski: Can you place the building envelopes in such a
way on there with the five acre lots and in doing so you might
lose one or two of those lots also but basically Protecting the
vista and not putting anything close to the road and keeping
them interior and protecting most of the vineyard.
Mr. Raynor: We have a theory of absolutely no problem with
Protecting the vistas. The initial discussion on this project
was for a minimum of a 100 foot setback similar to something
that the Board had worked on already. We think that the
setbacks on the size are what's going to be the deal for second
home users out here and we will not
residential construction. As far asdensity,
this as a gentlemen
got to tell you I going to base to f eacrs. if you
are going to tell me that to the five acres. if you
and eight we you want to cut it and go as straight seven
forward and as honestly as Iucan. This awas hatconsiderable
compromise on the part of the developers that are involvedandagain if we can revert the thing and cluster it on the north end
as one of the proposals within and what they do ,,,lith the bott
create somethhing of a vcaea
line of the insgard I can't help you with. This wa
can't modest hhomeowners association where
Y, we could
the vineyard could be operated in some type Of unit or systo
We're dealing here with twenty people as opposed to forty-seven.
SOUTHOLD PLANNING BOARD 18 JULY 21, 1992
Mr: McDonald: Homeowners associations, the experience I have (\
with them is that they control lands that are held by the
homeowners association. In this case, you would have group of
people owning all of th
lots. Do you have any indeahowethatewould woit re five acre
k?
Mr. Raynor: Yes, absolutely. This is something that has been
discussed at length. Quite honestly it is an incumbrance on the
land that the homeowners would have in some form of-restricted
easement to allow the vineyards to operate or be controlled by a
Board of Governors or whatever the association chooses to do.
The idea is to maintain the character of what is there, not to
disrupt it.
Mr. Ward: I think what we have seen to date wasn't very
creative. I think what the biggest drawback to it was that I
don't know that it was thought out in a sense as to where the
vineyard is or what is happening and how far back in we can set
back houses and where the right a way is going to be, I don't
know any other question which we are starting to answer now in
fact of the vineyard operation that how does this overlay work.
Maybe a agricultural easement on each of these properties and in
turn that easement is going to be managed by someone or at least
that is the intent.
Mr. Raynor: They are talking about setting an association
with a lease operator. Certainly to answer your question, as to
the design or something that was done on a table in about thirty
or forty five minutes to get a conceptual approval on behalf of
the development as to density. if S had my way, I would never
put a road up in that vineyard, I would do something with flags,
I'm not sure that is going to be the case. if we want to get
truly diverse on how we are going to handle this perhaps rather
than look diverse
a five acre lot in one section, in one section, we
could look at a ten acre lot with a duplex on it. We are
looking at new area, we are trying to be a little innovative
the properhto proceed with. 1
with wat is with. Byuaall ll means, weddon' tif hwant ey htokprthis s
Mr. Ward; Personally, I would rather see a duplex on the ten
acres because you have less management involved with less people
in it and a possibility of maintaining more of the vineyard.
Mr. Raynor: That has been kicked around as one side of the
spectrum. Three acres has been kicked around here as the other
side of the spectrum. If it is not something that is going to
sail smoothlywe won' t do it.
Mr. Wad: The s of
he
using, whatever
can ber
rkept back tinto her lthe site lmore rrathertothanhaving anything
t
more visual on 48.
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19 JULY 21, 1992
Mr. Raynor: We have already discussed a hundred foot setback,
but maybe we can go over the rise at southwesterly quarter of
the propeZty. However that cuts into more vineyard. It has its
Pros and cons and I know the Board had reservations at one point
Of not looking at some of the low area that divides the property
running north to south. However, building into that section
might very well be the least disruptive to the vineyard itself.
Mr. Ward: Why don't you present the pian with the vineyard and
how you anticipate doing it with the five and ten acre lots.
Mr. Orlowski: Do you have a map showing the vineyard.
Mr. Raynor: You should have a copy in your file showing the
vineyard only.
Mr. Orlowski: Would you mind coming in and maybe sitting down
With Ms. Scopaz and going over it roughly first and talking
about layout and what you are talking about?
Mr. Raynor: I have no problem at all. I do need direction
from the Board.
Mr: McDonald: I thought, last time we talked that the major-
intent was the fact that all of these were going to be cut into
five acre parcels and pretty soon what was vineyard would no be
no longer because the guy would be saying, "I don't like the
consiard derablanymore. ',
The way you are talking about it is rather
incumbent these properties
than that. You are going to actually
properties in such a way that the decisions are
going to be made by the farmland and be unified.
I thought was the major objection. There y be That was what
. didn't get out of the discussiothers that I
on, But, that is in line. I
think it is a way. It looks like a way to me.
Mr. Orlowski: You could sit down with Valerie first and go
over this and maybe Ms. Scopaz has some ideas too.
Mr. Raynor: Thank you.
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Mr. Orlowski: Any other, questions or comments? Hearing none,
I' ll entertain a motion to adjourn.
Mr. McDonald: So moved.
Mr. Orlowski:. All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Latham, Mr. Ward, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
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