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PRELIMINARY DRAFT
PRELIMINARY
INITIAL REPORT
AIRPORT SITE SELECTION/MASTER PLAN STUDY
FOR
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
NEW YORK
PREPARED BY
PRC ENGINEERING, INCo
3003 NEW HYDE PARK ROAD
LAKE SUCCESS, NEW YORK 11042
TELEPHONE: 516/488-6930
IN ASSOCIATION WITH
ENVIRON~IENTAL SCIENCE & ENGINEERING, INC.
5406 HOOVER BOULEVARD, SUITE D
AIRPORT SERVICE CENTER
TAMPA, FLORIDA 33614
TELEPHONE: 813/886-6672
MARCH 1984
M.E~TIN J... *OWN
DAVE SPOHN: ""'= ....
F.~U~ ACCOP~'~ODATIONS Tan mE ~oc~..-~=~ ,~ND THAT '""
- ~ .....~.~ ..... ',.~a ON TH~ ..
OH, MORE THAN TWO WEEKS AGO, HGWZVER ~oU:x* TP~'v==,,-~ FR~CoD~NCm OVER
WHAT WE'RE DOING, SO WE~RZ DOWN ~
HaR~, WHAT IS TAKING PLACE AT THIS
TIME IS A TECHq{ICAL ADVISORY C0PlMITT~m ~ETING ON THru AIRPORT SITE/
SELECTION STAY. AFTER ~ HAVE OUR MEETING, WITHIN Ob~ ~ROUP, WE
WILL ASK FOR COI'~gNTS FROM T~ A'~IENCE AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM
T~ A~IENCE. ~ WO~D APPRECIATE CONDUCTING THE M~ETING AND YOU
MAY LISTEN BUT YOU MAY MAKE YOUR COM~NT$ AND~.~UESTIOhS' AFTERWARDS.
B~ I ~7 r ~o ..... N ABOUT THAT5
W_L.~ START BY SAYING, DOES ANYON~ HAVE A
NO? 0K.
BRIEFLY, T0 GIV~ YOU A LITTLE hI~.ORY OF ~I$ WHOLE ::'~:~
~..A.~h ACT ALLY, !9~6. ~fl~TTITUCK AIREASE WAS ~.-: ..... ~,~=~..~
IN 19~6, "=:~..I0,."= IS RI3tiT A,~'~R T~ ",~AR. IT !'~AS' A GR:~SS STR.,.P.- ~__~'
FIRST rU=L~ AIRPORT iN oa,,~wa~ ~ .... .,~ ~,, ..
~_.t~,~ *~,N ~,~ ESTABLISHED=,~ 105~ AND
~,~.o ON FISHERb _SLaND, IT WAS A MILITARY AIRPORT ~
..... ]~-~D WIT~
TH~ FORT 0N FISHERS ISLAND. SO IN EFFECT THE TOWN ~.2 kAD A FUBLi
AIRPORT~=,,°~'~,~¢~ !9~9. IN 1964, TH~ TOWN HAD A ~ARING AND ESTAB-
LISHED AN AIR?ORT IN ~ ~r~ ' =u~ ~ .H~ LEASIN[
~uU~.,O~D TOW/'; PROPER ..... DI~ ~ T~
MA~TUCa AIRPORT AND PAVING THE R~WAY. ~'~ -. ~.~
~ ~¢FT~N Y~ARS...!N TWO ,JCR~..~T~, .... ~.- TEN YEARS
FROM '64 TO 'V~, .... ~v- '~ TUERE "- o~.~v ~ ~.~H~. THE
rm ':~ '~ ..~ .... D IN 197~ FOR ~ FI'~E __.~,~ ~::R~ '" 'rUE
'ILS TO u'; .... ........ · ........ :, ~? ,:..~u;-ov~c~ AT THAT ~:..r ~:~-',~-'- ~::.~
~,.~'v~.~,'~ ,710:~2 '~,,O.'m :;',.aVi, M'~Y~ " -rROc,~:]M~'c:.~,.. ?'.N:,'au,~'~ '~ .~"",~. JUST iZ
MITTEE, FRANKLIN ~..,,R, ~'~NRY ...... *~ .¢.~
DRUM'S uO,...IT~. TO DO __. STUDY. ~,,,-. ,~o ~,t~Ni~ T0 T=E TOWN
IN MARCH, !979 AND IN IT,IT GAVE AN OUTLiiIE CF CO~.S~,~u'"~
R~PLa~I~= T~ FACILITY ThAT W~.S LOST BY NOT
~IBI=I~S
~AS~. T~ PRESENT SITUATION IS, TEAT AS OF NOW ~h~ TO.'~N
A PUBLIC AIRPORT 0N FISHERS ISLAND, WHICH IS ELIZABEiH AIRPORT.
IT'S A TWO RUNWAY AIRPORT, IT'S OPEN 2~ HOURS A DAY AND ~S LIGHTS.
THE LIGHTS ARE ON ALL NIBHT LONG. IT IS A kURE TRANSPORTATION
FACILITY IN THE EE~CT THAT IT'S LAST OP~..~T~0~ ARE ~O00 AI~
;~N I USE T~ TERM "OPER-
TAXI, 38 ITI~ERANT AND 12CC LOu¢=. AND"
., ~¢~K~-0PF AS AN "OPERATION" S0 IF YOU
ATION", I ~AN LANDING 0TM ~' ~ ·
'T THE '~' "~= ·
WISH TO ARRI¢~ AT ~U~:~R OF AIRCRAFT, i~DU DIVIDE BY TWO
T... WAY IT'S STA.m~ =~ ~dm .0 .... ~CLATuR~ USED r,p
SIMPLY ~= ~ ~'~ ~ .... '" '~ "= BY . ~OP~ IN
THE INDUSTRY AND TUE ~=D~R~L ~.ViAT=0N ~o~u~A~I~,. .ADMINISTRATION,
.... ~.~,f=~ THERE 0N ~I~H~
NOT ASSOCIATION. 0K. ~,
I~uAND FISHERS I~aJD BEING JUST A BASIC TR~NS~ORTATION FACILITY,
IT DOES ~,0. ~ ~VE~"~v.~ ~'~aR%IumSr ~ AVAILABLE. THERE IS NO FUEL AVAIL-
~ ~ S~.,=u=LY A TRANS-
A~L~~.H~R.~= ~ OR AIRCRAFT REPAIR OR ~R~IC~S,.--~S°r~ ' V Tm
PORTATION F~ILI~ ~. ~:~.R~ IS .~ ~,':AL,~ 0~ iN A HANGAR
~ .....' THE ~ ,r~
~,~ ........ T OPERATES ~R~=C~ FOR Ti~ TO~',~ WiTH HIS
~I ~, ~ REMOVAL.
TRUCKS .... D ,~..I~L~ FOR SNOW REMOVAL AND I a~r ~~.~.ma~
~UT I'~ NOT R~AL~ -v=N~'~a ~::=~,~ ou,~"~.,, _~,~'~..~ u~ .... THAT BUT THAT'S AN ID~=.
,,T TFiS E, DO~S :,~D ~O,..~ ~.I=E, REPAIR.
ON ~ OF THE RTL,,~:~Yo :~=C,~,J~: ~S SOME
,:A.,~, .~ ~ ~, A ~=r,TI..'~ ~sh WHICH RE-
TM. ~:= .... oOo,~D.~ '"'=EITHiR FROM CONNECT-
FISHERS T~
.~=,f~ A~ ~.m ONLY RE-
LA.~.~ T. :.;AS TO DO WITH W::AT ~' '~'"-~'~ ':' ~:~ .'t:-~ FACT
THAT IT IS A PUPLIC ~ ~ ~ T~,',~ ~,~'~'~'~ v~ -~ r.~,*~:?
.... ~_N~ AS A
TO~! OF S0UTYOLD AND HAS ~mzN ~-, ~ ~ ~m ' a~o PUbLiC
· U. I FACILITY DID OCCUR !N THE T0?~ iN 1964 AND
FACILITY. A '~ =L C
WAS OPERATED AS SUCH UNTIL 1979. THE TOWN DID INSTALL THE RUNWAY
~,~'~ ~ FOR ~EEN v~ '79, WH~ THE LEASE
AND DID ,.~..~A~J IT ..... A .... SO, IH
WAS NOT R~N=W~D, THE TOWH BOA~D,P~T~ON~D AND LOBBIED BY Ti~ LOCDI
AVIATION CO~.~-~UNITY, TO TRY AND RzPLACz T~ FACILITY .,~T WAS LOST,
THAT WAS A PUBLIC FAC=LI~Y. IN 1980, THE TO'~I BOARD DID REQUEST
REPLACe, ..... 0F
AN AIRPORT SITE/SELECTION M~STER PLAN STUDY FOR A
......... ~C,~,. ~.A~ WAS I~80. T~RE
T~.T AIRPORT OR A PUBLIC ~,~7~v IN ~ ~' ~ ~ ~
' !~:0~H~N., OCCL~RED D~ TO
~,.i ~RY~.~iI~ iN WHICH ' ~' ~ '~
~RE TWO YEARS ~'~ ~ ~ ~' ~
~ '~' D.~ NOT
FACT THAT ~: ~ A~RPOR~_ . . DSVELOPEMENT AND AIR PRC,~RAM-,F~.DS
HAVE LEGISLATION 0R ~,~Ct~NiSM IN ,';H~C~ TO DISBURSE Th~ FUNDS. T~
.... R~ R~ ~ER~ WAS NO ~CHANISM TO ~
FUNDS %~RE ~u~
IS USUALLY D0~ IN FIVE ~AR INCREmeNTS. SO THAT THE ~NDS ~RE
,.~,A.~a~,~ ~.,,TI~ 198B. A GR~NT WAS REC~IV~ IN 198] TO DO THIS
,,~Q~T~D IN 1980. WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS
STUDY WHICH WAS ~ ~ ~ ~
THAT STUDY. T.~v BASIS OF ~AT STUDY CAN PROBABLY ~a~E B~T.~R~ ~ DES-
CR~=~D BY ~L, I'LL JUST GI~ YOU AN OUTLINE. THEY
IN~ORY ~.A,~ ~HI~H YOU TRY TO GATe,ER ALL THE FACTS ON THE
AR~. T~E .~,.T PART OF TH~
AVIATION IN TOWN A~ THE SURROUNDING
PHASE IS THE ~I .... L~uT.O3 WHICH IS ~..~-..~., ~-~ NOW. THIS IS TH~
TACT ..... ~ ,'~r ~ '~ ~ -~ ' ~ AFFECTED BY A~[Y PAR'rISULAR
m,,u~ .....D ~RY ~ERo03 WHC MAY r~ -
ONto. AT THI~
~,,m~ n~ ~ '~= IN :" '~'~'~ OF DECIDING WHICH
.... z~C~.L~_. ~ ARE TJm ~
iD~.z~D T0 Da m~:~ S0-~ALLED
~"~ ~;~P~ iS ';~ SPECIFIC ~ERSON ' '~ ~
'~ ......... ~" ~ ~0 .~.I.,~. ~ '~ ~ILL ~'~ ZNFOR~-~ATZON THAT
~,.~. ~u THAT SPECiFiC m'~ ~'~ ~U~, ....
~.~ TNINGS THAT ARE DISCUSSED, ARE PUBLIC IN-
I2 GATHERED AND ALL
FOR~'~TI.~J AND PUBLIC ~ ,"~=~,v ~ c.~ ,~=~-., OUT AT
· ~N~. ,'w:~ ~ ~'~=" TO COHXiTTEE nEFCaTS ~.,~ C. RAFT ,~0 .... , i FEE~
~ ~, ~ ~V ~T~,. ~ WAVE ~'~ TO ...... -~ r~ ·
- RE~,D Ti~ iNFORmS.
TION, DISCUSS IT iN CO, J,l ........ .~'~ J REIEASE zT. BUT THIS IS
NOT %~AT IS HAPPENING IN ~ ~'~ ~
~OJ~ 0F THE Cno~o, BECAUSE IT IS SAID
THaT THIS tS PUBLIC I.~OR, L~TI0~m~ e,o~T BE GIVEN TC, ~"~.n= PUBLIC
IN THm ~W COPY AND IT DOES A LOT OF HARM. B~AuS~_.r~S ~_~'~ PRE-
LIMINARY IN NATURE AND S0~ OF THE FIGURES MIGHT NOT BE CO,,R~CT.
AS A MATTER 0F FACT, EVEN AFaR THEY ARE DISCUSSED AND BEC0~ FINA7
~' = ~" ~H~ WOULD
COPY, THERE IS ALSO THE ~OSSI.,ILI*= THAT S0~ OF ~'~ FIGURES
HAVE TO BE ~" ~
R=¥Io~D. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AT ~E M0~NT,
AND ~HAT'S WHY THERE ARE SO F~NY PEOPLE HERE TODAY. THAT W~ HAD
THIS DRAFT COPY OF Ti~ SITE ~aL .... ~0N STL~Y, ~.H~CH THE
WAS SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS~ S0 ~O0k AT T~ SITES~ DISCUSS T~ ITEMS
QN THE CO~'~ITTEE REPORTS, CO~.~ T0 S0~ KIND 0P CONCLUSIONS AND
DECISIONS AND T~N PASS IT ON TO
~a PUBLIC. I WEAR SEVERAL ~TS
AT THIS TI}'~ AND OF COURSE I'M KNOWN AS A STRONG SUPPORTER OF
AIRPORT, THAT'S ONE HAT. I~M ALSO THE TOWN 'CONTACT BETW~N T~
SO'HOLD ~z0a.,'~ ~'D.~,~ THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT'S DOING T~ STUDY._
AS I W~R T,A~ HAT, I FEEL TP~ RESPONSIBiLiTY THAT I HAVE T0 DO
EVER~HiNG POSSIBLE TO ~KE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T ANY STONE
T~NED T0 G~T .~L~ THE A~A.~A~L~ POoITI~n DATA FOR T~ S~JDY. I
DON'T THINK YOU WOULD v' ~ ~ ',:~
~X,~CT AN~HiNG ~ FROM ~O,.,~cOD= IN
rOo~*~C'.,, v.~ n~uu,,~_, ..... ..... ANOTqER ,.:*T I !~a~R IS Tf~ .R~ID_. ~ OF
TI~ LOCAL ~=:,.~O.; '~ v ~ -. ~. ~,
NATURALLY. BUT ~ ~nE O,~.l.a*~ .~R~O.IA~.., ,tA'f~ ,.=.,,.
.,M~ ,~L SPARE }'il ~[iE TiLE T0 .~I,~ ,.Y PRES-
,~{AT~,~R. ~.iY PHONE NUMBER HAS BEEN PUBLISHED
ENTATION, SLIDES OR '"~ ~ ~'~ "
IN T~ NEWSPAPER FOR THE PAS~ SIX .... ~ ' ~ ~
TIERSHAl. BEEN ARTICLES
IN THE NEWSPAPERS FOR THE PAST SIX 'fEARS I CAN'T UNDER£TA~[D
HOW PEOPLE SAY THEY JUST FOUI~ OUT ABOUT IT IN RECENT MONTHS OR
EVEN WEEKS, BECAUSE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED VERY WIDELY.
OF COURSE, I DO HAVE A FILE COPY ON ALL THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES
AND WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO SHARE THEM. i WILL ALSO BE
WILLING TO SHARE THE PLACES T?~T I HAVE BEEN T0...TO DIVb~GE THE
INFORMATION TO INTERESTED PEOPLE. I GUESS THAT ABOUT SLOES UP
THE HISTORY OF IT. THE COMMITTEE ITSELF AT THIS TIME WILL PROB-
ABLY DISCUSS WH~T WE DID WI~N WE ~NT OUT LOOKING AT THE SITES.
AFTER WE GET DONE~ DISCUSSING THOSE, WHICH YOU CAN LISTEN TO, AND
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS LIKE DOING BUSINESS IN THE MIDDLE OF MAIN
STREET AND FRONT STREET IN GREENPORT, BUT T~T'S OK. I PERSONALLY
AM USED TO DOING THAT. YOU PRO~ABLY ALL KNOW THAT I WAS AN AIRLIN.
PILOT. AND AS AN AIRLINE PILOT .........
MEETING INTERRUPTED TO MOVE UPSTAIRS
pAL~L
I INTRODUCED MYSELF BEFORE. MY NAME IS DAVID SPOHN. I'M ON THE
TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE SITE SELECTION MASTER PLAN
STUDY. I'M THE TOWN CONTACT BETWEEN ~HE TC~'~N OF SOUTHOLD AND THE
CCNSULTING FIRM. THE PROJECT MANAGER IS PALq5 PUCKLi. I'LL INVITE
EACH PERSON TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND SAY THEIR ROLE IN THIS PAR-
TI CULAR STUDY. PAUL ....
PUCKLI .... MY NAME iS PAUL i~UCKLI. I AM THE MANAGER FOR SITE SELECT-
I0M MASTER PLAN ~TUD5~. I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGRCU~D ON
HOW THfS W~!OLE THi~IG STARTED. PACE IN I GUESS THIS iS 1980, THE
TOWN SEh~T OUT LETTERS TO A NUMBER OF CONSULTiMG FIRMS WHO ARE ~.
~UALIFIED BY THE ?.A.A. TO DO T~iIS TYPE OF STUDY, MY FIRM BEING
ONE 07 TM~,~. i BELIEVE iT WAS SEVEN OR ~IGHT LETTERS THEY SENT
OUT. AND WE PREPARED A PROPOSAL AND CAME IN FOR AN INTERVIEW
WITH THE TOWN BOARD WITH I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SELECTION COMMITTEE.
THE TOWT~ SELECTED MY FIRM~ FORTb%~ATELY FOR US, TO DO THE JOB. I
WAS BASED ON LO~G ISLAND AT THAT TIME. I WAS BORN AND RAISED ON
LONG ISLAND. JUST THIS YEAR I MOVED DOWN TO FLORIDA WITH A NEW
FIRM. BUT SINCE I WAS SO INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT FROM 1980
ON, THE TOWN FELT I SHO'JLD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING IT,
WHICH I AM. I HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH DAVE AND THE TECHNI-
CAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN PRODUCING THE REPORTS WHICH HAVE BEEN
ISSUED SO FAR. THAT'S A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHERE I CAME FROM
AND HOW WE WERE SELECTED. THE STUDY ITSELF IS B£EING FUNDED BY
THE F.A.A...90% OF THAT STUDY IS F.A.A. PLEADED AND 7~ IS Fb~DED
BY THE NEW YORK STATE DEPART~NT OF TRANSPORTATION. THE REMAINING
2½% THE TO'~[ IS PAYING. THAT'S h;[4ERE T~ FUNDING FOR THE STUDY IS
COMING FROM. THE REASON.WHY THE F.A.A. AND THE STATE ARE INTER-
ESTED IN A PUBLICLY OWNED AIRPORT IN SOUTHOLD TOWN IS BECAUSE THE
TOWN HAS BEEN DESIGNATED IN THE NATIONAL AIRPORT SYSTEM PLAN OR
NATIONAL PLAN OF INTEGRATED AIRPORT SYSTEMS, I THINK IT'S CALLED
NOW, TO HAVE AN AIRPORT FKCILITY OPEN~TO-THE~PUBLIC. WHEN THE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD VOICED THEIR DESIRE TO HAVE E STUDY D'ONE~LIKE
THIS, THE F,A.A. AND THE STATE D.O.T. DID SUPPORT IT AND PUT UP
THE MONEY TO DO THE STUDY. SO THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING
FROM. THE POINT RIGHT NOW, I BELIE'~ WE STARTED' TH~ STUDY A YEAR
AGO, WE W~NT THROUGH AN INVENTORY PRQCESS, ;~'HICH WHAT WE DID IS
INVENTORY THE AVIATION FACILITIES ON LONG iSLAND THAT ARE AVAILABL[
TO PERSONS WHO DO ?LY AIRCRAFT AND THEN DID A FEW SURVEYS tN. _.?
TOWN. WE SURV£~ED POTENTIAL USERS AND ALSO SURVETED BUSINESSES
IN TOWN TO FIND OUT IF THE AIRPORT WOULD BE FE~SABLE. WHAT WE
COULD EXPECT AS FAR AS FOTE~T!AL AND WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT THERE
WAS IN THE BUSINESS COMMU~,;ITY, FOR THE AIRPORT. WE FOUND THAT
~ MANY ....... '? AT
WE FOUND ~La~ PEOPLE a~ MATTiTUCK WOULD R:~O~r.-~ THE NEW
AIRPORT IN ADDITION TO ~
· ~OP-~ WHO AR~ NOW ~ASING THEIR AIRCRAFT
OUTSIDE TH~ TOWN WOb~DR~LO~.T~'~ ~ ~ ~C~ IT WOULD B~ MCRE CONVEN-
IENT TO ~ =
r~u.~ LIVING iN TO~ TO USE A PUBLICLY O'~ED AIRPORT.
OUR ~STI.DiT~S PROJ~CT=D IN T~ INITIAL rHAS~ 33 mA.~D. RIRCRAFT
AT THE TO~ AIRPCRT...ALL SINGLE ~l~GI~,~ 0R LIG~ TWIN {NGINE
AIRCRAFT. SO T[~ TOWN IS NOT PROPOSING A LARGE K-.~.~DY AIRPORT
OR 0R MACARTHUR AIRPORT, IT'S A SMALL, GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
FOR SINGLE ENGIHE A~ SMALL TWIN ENGINE AIRCRAFT. THE FO~CAST
AND OPERATIONAL LEVEL OF 31,000 OPERATIONS TWENTY YEARS FROM NOW,
OPERATIONS BEING LANDINGS AND/OR ~AEE. 0WFS. SO, IT'S NOT GOING
TO BE A VERY ACTIVE AIRPORT. THiS MORNING SOMEBODY :.~NTIONED
_ '" :~ ~=~ STRTE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE
BROO~'~AVEN AIRPORT, AND ~ .~K~D
WHAT THE ACTIVITY LEVEL AT BROOKHAVEN IS. AND IT'S SOME FO~
TIMES GREATER THAN WF3. T WE FORECAST TWENTY YEARS FROM NOW FOR
SOUTMOLD. RIGHT NOW, THE STATE PEOPLE, AND THIS iS NOT A DIRECT
QUOTE SAY IT'S ABOUT 130,000 ANNUAL OPERATIONS AT ~ROOKHAVEN AND
~ FORECAST IN T~NTY YEARS 31,000, ~RE IN SOUTHOLD. SO THERE
IS QUITE A DIFFERENCE AS YOU CAN SEE...TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPEEOF?
FACILITY ~_HAT WE ARE RECO~iENDING. IN THE INVENTORY PROCESS WE
DID A FORECAST OF ACTIVITY WHICH IS IN THE pHAsE i REPORT. THIS
CAME OUT IN J~E OF THIS YE;R AND BASED ON THAT ACTIVITY, WE RAVE
~ ,,ICH OUTLINES THE
PUT TOGETHER A FACILITY REQUIREMENT S~CTiON
FACILITIES T, A~ A~a ........,~.~u .. A ........ O~A~.~ TH~
I~ROJECTED. ]-? ..... ~ ~ ';S ~,' ~ iDEA OF~:C~' ','~ BIG ~.,~' "~ 'AIRPORT ~{CULD
WHAT SIZE ~OR ..... ~ '~ ............
~,:o~,~,~, ~'~i~ ~,.~,Af SNOULD nE, HANGARS, AUTO PARKiNf
.LI;,[~S L=.~ TRAT, T ~.~ AN A!RPCRT uO~o NEED. TI-~~,_,.,.~'~v~ STEP IN THE
~..~ WAS THE SiTE ~? ~' , v
· ~-C.=o., ,,z~Cn IS ~H.~ WE ARE HERE TODAY.
ONCE %~ KNEW THE SIZE 0F THE AIRPORT, THE~; ~ NEEDED TO KNOW W~
'~T--. ~H~N '? DID m;~IS "~ 'd~TT Tn ~: ~O',7~T rr '.~,
TOOK ~ '~ ~, ~ nr."~ IT
uUz PLANNING /AF~ AND L~n~h AT O?ENo,~'~.~ OR TO I,EEP" '
' ~ ~ O~ ' ~ ~- ~:?~ .... ~ THEY
ArrAY FROY C0hC~NTR~T~,D AREAS D~V~Lu.~,-.:~,~. AND ALL TURNED
~ .A .... UCK &iRPCRT, ~T~ TWO
OUT TO B~, %~LL, SITE~,nw~"~ LOOKED AT ~ mm~m' ' ~'
T ..... WAS...~.~rm~.. _JO, ,.tR~.~, FOUR, FiVE AZD SIX ALL OVER ON THE
vm~
NORTH SIDE OF TO~, S ...... AND EIGHT WERE STARTING TO ~AD
OUT EAST, EAST OF TI~ T0~'~ AND ~,,-u~ TEN ' ~
:.z,~ AND ,'Y~R~ ~ERE, ~ iS .....
EE~CH ....
................ ~'.*~,~.;~ ROS~ A~PORT. ~ T:~SE ARE
TWELV3 SITES. WE VISITED EACH O~ .... THE SITES, TOOK vw~.Ojaa...~,~tv~'~ WE
~' =ACh 0..~ OF ~,~ o~,~ LOOKED A~.._ A; =:~. PRELiYlNARY SCREENING
.v -, -,~ o ~ h~ ,~.A~ ~D, DOWN
W~ E~,OCI,~D iT DOWN TO FCU~ ~l~uo. LOOKED AT '"= ~ WE
TO FOUR SITES~ WHICH A~E S]T~S ~,,O,..I SHOULD ~HOw
TWO IS ~= z ~ ~ ~ ~ OF ~,,0,. ROAD,
~,~R~, IT'~ ,~ES: ~fORTH ~ ~*a ~ RIGHT aT TEE INTER-
~iI~,, CF gLVAH'S LANZ. ::'u~ .... UAS RmC~,2'.m~Dmu _ nm~ YORK
A,ou
STATE~a ~; .... RT.-:~, ~ ~.R~,.;~.-ORIA~.,., ~0 ,~ ~',~',~v ~ THE
AIRPORT ..... ~ ....rnU ' ..... ~',m'~= ~'
.... ',,,,: ., ...,,~ ........... R TWAT.~_~ THR:~, WHiCi!
~ R~3:~i' ::ERa~ ~ ,~ ,w.d .~.,¢, .... ,,~:_~ ~ :~, ........ , ..... ,, WAS
~ '"~ t .... AR~ T;,~ FOUR
TO ZACI{ 0THZ~, CD~, !'!O~TH ¢'~.' COUNTY ROUTD [~O.
,~.A~ ~-..~ .... , ..... u ......,~ T:;.CN DID A '~'-~ '"~z~°~° CF ?HOS~-
.....~..~'-~ FOSST=LE.~ , AIRFIELD '""?:~,,:~ C~, T~T.E .... ~v~':lOR.~m. 1¢
. . , .....- , ~. v =~ffu..., iF iT COULD
~'~NT. WE TRIED TO ~ ,,,, v v~.~ ~ ~z ,~': ~"~'
..... ~,~v~. ~a~ L~NDS ','~qRE, THAT ARE
AND W~RE T~= FARMLAND PR:o~.,~, .... ,
IN THE PRO~RA,~ NOW, AND ONES THAT WERE CANDIDATES, =: .0 TH~ FARM-
~,0~...'. .... ~ ~0~,~ AT ~w~ GROUND ~'~
LANDS PRESERVATION -~ ~'~ ,.m ,'~a r a "=~
~0~. OF DEVELOPING TS~ SITES A~
TO THE SITE, WE LOOKED AT THE ~ ~
ANY ENVIRONmeNTAL I...A~.S THAT COULD BE ~,~ ~C.~ FROM DEVELOPING
T~ SITES. AND ~:,~ ON THAT C~iTERiA, ~';S CA~ UP WITH A R~COM-
~I. ~. SITE[
03~ PART!C~AR o-~ WITH A~' '-m~-~,~ ~ m~
~NDATION OF ~ =
ARE SITE NUMBER FIVE, rc ~HE .~CC ...... ~D SITE AND ~m= N~{BER SIX
..... ~ :'z~T THAT ~o.~ o.~ T=:E CRITERIA SET
IS THE ALTERS!ATE =I~v AND ,.v ..... ,ovn ~-
oUTLI..,~ IN ~= e ..~. ~=T~ FiVE WAS
FORTH WHICH %'~ ~ ~'~n ..I~ REPORT WE FELT ~w~ m ~
-- CnC~=~ TC DO SO.
~"V~ THE AIRPORT i~ ~=~ TOWN "
A BETTER SITE TO ~ m~v~'
m~:~, ANv CF ~HZ ........ c~m~ ~0, ~S QLITE
m ~?,'~',, ~T .... ~"~- IS TO ~ROCEED WITH
FSASABLE. SO OUR R~C.,,-~n~JD.~ .... ~ · .....,
FIVE. %'~ WOULD LIKE IF SOME%'~ERE ALONG ~E LI~, IF T~ TCi~T WO~[
GIVE US SO!"~ G!~DANC~ AS TO WHAT Tt~IR ~nL=.~ iS, AND THAT IS
.~T iNPUT, ~,,,.~,,~o FROM THE ~'~ ~
!'~ ARE HERE TODAY, TC ~:~ ~,...~,,.~ . ~LI~. ,,~ WiL[
MAKE NO~ OF ALL THIS. t~ WILL TRY TO ~.~.,-R ,~ MANY QUESTIONS AS
~ ~*~ BUT YOU HAVE TO '"~T~-z ~'"n ~.~
T~]~ FINANCIAL,,o~.~m~ OF BUILDING THIS ~IRPORT,
PROCESS, AS FAR AS ' '~
THAT WILL =~' D~VELOPED T', ....... ~u,' "~'--~X~,~"T'°~,.,,~= OF rowe -~m,.~v O JCl' "WE KN~,.''~"
A~.u:,L PLA~T ,,~ !IAV~N'T PEALLY LOOKED '~ ANY OF THE
WHAT T~Z ..... " IS. ,,~v ' '~ .
~ a'~,.~ ,~ .... :o,'~ DEVELOP .... SIT~, BUr ~AT WILL BE
o~_.~,~'~ A ~C., DEAL g~- THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR F.A.A. ~I,:,D~,L~ AND
YORK o~A...~ m= D.O.T. Fo.,D~.=.'~" ~'~ SO, THE TOWN'S BURDEN FOR BUILDING
I '",~O,.~D'r~ ~'T~.~.,.~.' T3 TURN iT BACK TO DAVE AND..~':' v~.--'.~ k~ uA~,~ '~ OPE~ iT 'UP
~, ~,T~ .... ,~L'~ ~I.~ ANSWER ANY ~.u~S-
F0~ C0.2,_~.:~, AND !.~.E i SAID~ i '~ '-~ ~
TIONS I PO .... L~ uO~.~D AND i~D~...~'r~'~ YOUR COUNEN~ · ~ AND WHAT YOU
HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ~ r~ n~ ~ ~ -
~ .... Tf~ A .... 0 ..... I~, SITE J~,-,E~R rIV~.
DAVE SPOHN...THANK YOU PA~, B~ I WAS GOi~IG T0
~ = .... ~T THEIR ROLE IS AND
TABLE HERE INTRODUCE T~,tS~L~,~o AND SAY '~=~
THEN ~E COMMENTS IN THE COMMITTEE ITSELF AND THEN OP~ IT UP
FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC,THaT'S ~HAT I'D LIKE T0 D0, PAUL.
PAUL PUCKLI..O.K.
DAVE SPOHN..PETER, W0~D YOU iNTRODUCE YOURSEL~'?
PETER P0~RANZ.,MY NA~ IS PETER POMERAN.E, I'M WITH THE NEW YORK STATE
DEPART~NT OF TR~NSPORTATION, ~= ~ ~.'z
~,~ .... ,~O.,~ 0~,_~ LOCATED IN
HAuPFAU~,~." ~~.~ STATE ROLE IN THIS, BOTH AS A FUNDING AGENCY AND
A REVIEV~NG ar~ v
~.~,C~ FOR T~.=~ PROJEC~ IS THE TOWN.
A~.C., THE LEAD ~m, v
THE D~CIS~O~, ON WHICH~= 0R NOT TO w','~
......... ~.~ AN AIRPORT IN THIS LOCATION
IS A T0'~
D~oION, IT'S A LOCAL DECISION. WE HOPE AND WE ENCOURAG[
PUBLIC DISCUSSION, FULL DISCUSSION ON IT, SO THAT ALL THE IMPACTS
AND IMPLICATIONS AR~ ~
~ .A..~.. INT0 ACCOUNT AND ~ ARE ADVISING AND
ARE COJTI~UIN., TO ADVISE T~ TO~$! AND ~ CONSL~TANTS HOW ¥~ FEEL
ON THE TECHNICAL ~,S.~C~o OF THE PROJECT.
DAVE SPOHN.. THANK ~ ,~ ' ..... R.
HENRY YOUNG.. GOOD AFTER~{OON, I'M HENRY YOUNG, i~N A ~0L~Gum 0F PA~
.U~R0~ .... ,.~T~L AFFAIRS AND
mN~ IR~.,N~,ENTAL ANALYSIS AS
T~v REb;~ ~ AIRPORT ~"~' '~"
.... D:~v.mO?~.a.,T PART 0F ThIS ,Ru~C~ WILL BE
~,~,':PL~T~ ? ~V~n~'~'~ o~ o~,~,.~ -- .A.~ PLACE AS SOON
~, .......... ~a~ A~E~ ...... Iz lf~ICH
AS UE'VE ~0NE THROUGH THE MASTER ~ ~'~ ~ ~= ~ AT
- ~,t I-~-N · . , 0~S~. THAT TII~,
W~ WILL ~a~ LOOKI.~'~, INT0 ALL '~'~Ha" D.F~R~.I~r m~ ~ ~"~,~,~ OF ENVIRONMENTAL
IMPACTS.. ;'fY HAVE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED A BRIEF A~ALYSIS OF THE
NOISE IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LEVELS OF TRAFFIC VHICii WE FORE-
SAW iN OUR EARLIER FHASE I REPORT AND TTfE RESULTS OF T.~AT ANALYSIS
INDICATE THE CUMULATIVE NOISE LEVELS ',':HIC[[ ARE THE STANDARD BY
WHICH THE FEDERAL AGENCIES ~ASURE NOISE IMPACTS WiLL NOT GO OFF
THE SITE IN ANY WAY OR IN A MEANINGF~ WAY, ALTHOUGH ORVIOUSLY,
WE REALIZE THAT THERE WILL BE SINGLE EVENT, THERE WILL BE IMPLOD-
ABLE EVENTS THAT A~ TAKING PLACE AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABO~ THAT
IN TERMS OF THE CVER~ALL PROCESS. ¥~ WILL BE LOOKING AT OTHER
ENVIRORU,?ENTAL IMPACTS AT SUCH TI~ AS %~ HAVE THE DETAILED SITE
PLAN SO T~T WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THAT T'~E OF ANALYSIS.
DAVE SPOHN,.THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ~NRY. LORRIN..MR. LORRINf BIRD, FROM
NEW YORK STATE...
LORRIN BIRD...~2z NAME IS LORRIN BIRD, I'M WITH THE ST;,TE AVIATION BURE;U
NEW YORK STATE DEPARTmeNT OR TRANSPORTATION IN ALBANY AND I WOrK
WITH PETER POP~RANZ AND VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HE SAiD OUR ROLE IN
THIS IS TO BOTH, REPRESENT THE ST~.TE'S INTERESTS IN T~ ST;.TE
AVIATION SYSTEM PLAN AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANNING FOR THIS
STUDY IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ENVIRON~NTAL AND TECHNICAL POINT~
T~T WE~ RE INTERESTED IN REVEALING. T~{ANK YOU.
DAVE SPOHN...THANK YOU LORRIN. ED..
ED REEVES...MY NA~ IS ED REEVES AND ! WAS JUST ASKED TO BE 0~; THIS COM-
MITTEE ~EC~USE OF ~%~ BASIC EDUCATION !N AVIATION. I'V~ ~EEU AN
AIRPORT OPERATOR FOR THE P~ST TI'~NT~.'-T~fO 'fEARS. T~AWK ~fOU.
DAVY SPOHN..RUTH.
RUTH OLIVA .... I'I! RtrT!I OLIVA, i'M PRESIDE>IT OF T~IE NORTH FORK ENVIRON-
MENTAL COU~'~CIL AND I TiIIP~K THE REASOI~ I'M ~{ERE IS OBVIOUS.
DAVE SPOiiN...THA}!K YOU RUTH. O.Y., WITH THAT i~LL GO BACK TO DISCUSSIOI
WITH OUR COR~IITTEE AND AT THE ~tD OF THAT WE'LL FOR COMMENTS AND
QUESTIONS FROM TUE AUDIENCE. THANK ~fCU. THIS IS ['PETTY HARD TO
GET qOINg HERE, 9UT ANYHOW, 0',[ T~iE VARICUS SITES THAT '-rE LOOKED
AT THIS MOR~.,'ING. SITES FIVE, SiX, THREE Ai','D T','.~O. SITES FIVE AND
SIX: AS HAVE BEEN INDICATED BY PAL~L, HAVE ~E HIGHEST PRIORITY,
USING ALL THE FACTORS. SiTE THREE WAS T~ TOWN LANDFILL BUT THAT'
VERY MUCH IN DISCUSSION NOW AS TO WHEN IT WILL CLOSE~ DUE T0 THE
FACT T,RAT IT'S MANDATED BY lq90, BUT TH.."T'S NOT FOR SURE, BECAUSE
THERE'S NO APPARENT SOLUTION. SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD
BE A READY ANSWER. THE BASIC IDEA WAS THAT IF THE LANDFILL HAD
TO BE CAPPED, IT WOULD BE A GCOD PLACE TO PUT A STRIP ON TOP OF
Th~ PLACE ~{ERE YOU'RE RECAPPIN~ THE LANDFILL. SITE TWO WAS NORTH
OF OREGON ROAD. SO WE LOOKED AT THE VARIOUS SITES AND WE SAW THAT
TR~ HOUSES .TH~T~ WERE INVOLVED, SITE FIVE H_~.D A HOUSE RIGHT, VERY
CLOSE TO WHERE THE PROJECTED RUNWAY WOULD BE, WHICH 'gAS TO BE AD-
DHESSED OBVIOUSLY. SITE SiX ALSO !{AD HCUSI~'IG AT THE APPROACH END.
THIS IS THE SOUTH END O? THE RUNWAY. ON THESE PARTICULAR SITES TH_
NORTH ENDS OF THE RUNWAY ARE OVER THE WATER. SO THERE IS, AS FAR
AS I KNOW, NO HOUSING LOCATED AT THE ENDS OF THE PROJECTED RUNWAYS
ON THE NORTH ENDS. PERHAPS ON SITE NU~!BER FIVE THERE IS A SUMMER
BUNGALOW WEST OF THE APPROACH END OF SITE NUMBER FIVE. IT'S OWNED
BY A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF WARWICK, WHO COMES OUT ON WEEKENDS.
I'VE SPOKEN TO THE GENTLEMAN. HE CALLED WITN REFERENCE TO WHAT
HAD SEEN IN THE PAPER. HE SAID T~[AT ~{E IS ALSO A PILOT AND HAS
MIXED EMOTIONS ABOUT IT A~;D BE WOULD LIiiE T0 G~T ?.:ORE
I HAV'.' GIV!]N HiM MY NUMPER A],'D AS SOON AS WE HAVE COA~PILED THE
I~:FORMATiON i HAVE PROMISED TO GiUE Hi~.' WHATEVER %'~
P0>~RA~IZ..IN LCCY, ITIG AT SOME OF T~!E SITES, I T,"~iN}[ WE C~N YAKE SO~
INiTI,~.L C0.~],.'ENT£. ',~g'LL HAVE [.'URTHER COf~%~ENTS IN WRITIN'] TO YOU,
PAUL. BL~ FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU LOOK AT SITES...IN LCOKING AT SITE
;"*' ~ -.~.~ S OREGON ROAD. .~Aa,..,~S AT T."tE .... :-- TM
,'~U, IBmR TWO. m~.~, "' "~=' - " '~' 0F
RL~[WAY AND IT'S III TH~ CLEAR mONE ,~h~ iT M~Y ~. ~::?r=~?
I BRING T:~T T0 YOUR ATTENT:ON. ALSO,ALONG T:~ NORTHERN B0~IDRY
OF BOTH SITES FIVE A~ SIX, YOU HAVE THE ~L~u ~IN~. ='
~xTH~R THE
RELOCATION 0R THE BURYING OF THOSE LINES WILL HAVE T0 BE TAKEN
INT0 ACCOUNT. WE PREVIOUSLY MADE T~ OBSERVATION, LORRIN DID, THA5
T~ CLEAR ZONES ARE NOT PROPERLY SCALED 0N T~ MAPS AND THEY ARE
SO MUCH sHORTER THAN ARE SH0%'~ 0N Th~ MAPS G0 AH~n CONTINUE.
·. ~ = THE
DAVE SPOHN. I BELIeVe, I~M ON LILC0 LINES IN T~ PAST ~EY HAVE
BEEN APPROACHED A~;D HAVE GIVEN ~N AVERAu~ FIGURE FOR BURYING THE
WIRES. THAT HAS BEE!'[ LOOKED INT0. PA~ HAS A FIGURE ON THAT.
CO~NT ......
DAVE SFOHN. ~ ~ :'~
..J~L, TO :,I~ YO~ A CCNV:RSATiON..IT'S NOTHIN~ THAT'S IN
L~IT~R FORM..TILE L,~HT,,~G COMPANY SAID THAT THEIR RI:.:HTo OF WAY,
I~ :'fHICH THEY USE T:~ POWER~l,.~ ~:'~ 0R CARRY THE P0:~R LINES ACROSS,
T~Y HAVE THEM 0N TEE M:IN ROAD, = THiHK THERE AR~ FOUR LINES.
THIS IS S~JECT TO GOING AND ACTUALLY LCOKING AT IT. AND THEY HAV:
THE WIRES THAT R:~ THROUGIi Th: C,~NT~R' ~ 0F THE FIELDS '~:~HICH' ' ARE OF
LOWER POWER CAPABILITY BUT THEY D0 HAVE THE RT~=~ ..... OF 'WAY 0F
THOSE LINTS GO ~7~N '~ ~ -''
. :::K~D IF THmY WOULD MOVm THOSE LINES AND
RL~ THEM D~,~ TO .... ~OAD, ~"=~' ~'~ ~A~ ~,,,~ --,~:: 0
OR DECISION. EUT THEY ~: ~ HAVE m~,o ~:~::~ 0 TM WaY.
..... = ......... · .... ' AND I DON~T
~U~'~T',' ~',:t~~ ~,r ~' ~ ~, - ',~ o , ~T,,~,~
.......... ~ ~.' WITH ,..~: F~IgTiCULAR
~I.,m~. : H~.: ~, ,t~ ....... SMALL
.3 ......... J=, THEY D0 NOT CARRY' T~
............. - .......... ROAD. TH,~ O,.a~ 0F ~E ROAD
-.'', ~,,: [:0T. AS ~ ~"~m~ '' v~,~ ' :~ "' ..... "~'~ 0N
........... ~" 0:? ...... , .... LI~:,a, TSE uN_~ . THE ROA[
....... ,,,..O~ :;r,~:[ .-~, ,..-1. ,,R~ ~H~,,, ZCWN. THEY DON'T
AND /~S FAR AS
COULD ASK JOHN,
PORT.
CO[~4ENT FROM MRS.
DAVE SPOHN.. MA ' ?'~,
COI'~iENT FRO~'~ MRS.
......... '_u ~, U~I~,NCz
- TJ~ FIELDS ARE ~3'~ KILOYDLTS..23,000 VOLTS
JOHN ~-~
THE LINES ALONG ~E NORTH ROAD AR ~9 KV...mw~v,,~- CARRY MORE P0%~R
THE ~9 KV'S WERE INSTALLED BECAUSE THE 23~ KV LINES CAN'T HAND~
THE LOAD ANY LONGER. W~T~R OR NOT THEY CAN OPERATE, STAND
WITHOUT THE OTHER, I DON'T K3~'~, BL~ I CAN TELL YOU, BECAUSE %'~
REC EIVS
NIAGARA PO%~R, THAT IT MAK~ . DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER, AS FAR AS
~ ~ ~ -~ DO~S~,'- EFFECT
T,~ AVAIL&2ILITY OF THAT POWER ...... ~ ~ .... ~- ~ ~'~ ~
=~u~ ON~ WAY OR
CO~fi'~NT WROM THE AUDIENCE
...H~R~ AREN'T S~POSED TO BE CO~NTS FROM THE AUDIENCE AT
JOHN SPO~[. ~ '~ ;'
THIS POINT....THEY'RE STILL IN THE ,,~.~,,~,,~E~-,~ ~n.,~. ~.
COMmeNT FROM THE AUDIENCE
DAVE SPOt; .... THANK YOU FOR ~ ~FO~TION~2JO~N.' JOHN ~%{AS, ADDRESSED Bg-
CAUSE HE HAS ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE ON WHAT THE POWER CAPABILITIES OF
THE VARIOUS CABLES ARE, I~ICH i THINK IS APPROPRIATE. Vg~LL CON-
RUTH OLIVA .... MY CONCERN HAS BEEN AND WILL BE FARMLAND PRESERVATION. AND
EVEN THOUGH I U,~D~R,.,~ND IT'S 1~0 SOME A~R~o OPEN LAND,
STILL TAKING IT OUT OF FARM PRODUCTION. THAT IS A C0,~C~RN. I WAS
kO~ I,',,~ TnA, YOU COULD FIND JUST ~ LAND WHERE THE SOILS WERE NOT
AS .~00D. _LT ~ ARE IN PRI~ FAR~La,~D ~O~A~0,S, AS YOU CAN
o~=, 3~A~o~ .[T~R~ ARE ~,~JRnb OTHER PARu-~ AROT~ID ~HAT ARE IN TH
~AR~:~AND pR~o~RVA~.IO. PROGRAM NOW. AND HOPEF~LY AS O.H~R, AS THES
0 . . S:--,' O~.....R~ ~.~,u- .... C .m,,-,-,~..D '~'"'~"'~ "'~-
~;~ t,~ ~ ~dT~., CR FiND ~'?~ OTE~R MEAYS CF
~ .......OR.~ A~ MORE WILL ~ ~ ET
~ SO THAT, I ~UT',~ IS o ~, ,v MY ~" ~ ~' '" ~=
....... ~..,, ,RO~B~- ;'~IN ~u~C~R, ,~I~,, ,Ha SITE
SELECTIONS.
DAVE S?0HN..0.,~. ~' ED, DO ,uU HAVE ANY
ED REEVES..MY ONLY CO~2~ENT ON T~ PART 0F FIVE AND SIX IS CROSSING OREGOi
ROAD. DO YOU KNOW WHAT T~ Ru~h'a~ THRESHOLD IS GOiNf
T0
DAVE SPOHN...THAT'S SITE TWO, ED.
~ m '~', ~ '~ ~$8, I'M SORRY.
. ;'~zD~L~ RD.,
SD R~V~S. O.K.,
~sLKL,~ ABOUT ~8, ~ ~ =~ "'
DAVE SPOHN...0H, ~OU WERE ~ ~ '.'," ~.~ D~oPLAC-,~,T.
PAUL' S...
PAUL PUCKLI. (. "' =~
ED REESIES...~, AS YOU'RE GOING OVER HIGHWAY
PETER P0~SRA~I --aD ~n~D ~=~L~R, YOU
SURFAC~ HAD ~ S~T~,~, AND PAUL SAiD NO, NOT AT THIS POINT
LORRIN BIRD. .R~ LOOKED AT IT AT CUR O.~IC~ WHeN %~ GOT THE REPORT ~D
' CL~ARANC~ OVER MIDDLE ROAD FOR A FI~EEN
THERE WO~D BE ADEQUATE ~
FOOT VEHICLE BASED ON A T, ~LTY TO ONE APPROACH SURFACE WHICH WO~D
~mC.~Uo~ IT'S A UTILITY RUNWAY. SO
BE APPLICABLE FOR THiS AIRPORT =~ '
~ , ~N~ TO ONE CLEARANCE. I~D LIKE ~ ASK SO~THING.
IT WO~D B~ A ~W~f
I UNDERSTAND,~..~ ~xOM WtIAT .' HEARD, I TnIr, n THOR= ,~R. TWO POWER
r'~ES ~ .... DO,~N MIDDLE ROAD, ON c~.~ Nr~ER FIVE. BOTH
~xj , OR TWO ~'~'~ .....
~.~ o~0.~.~ .... ;.TO, C'~ THE CO~JT[! .... ~ nO~,D ~:;~w~ !iI3H POLES, I
THINK _.I ..... ...... ~- PRCEAELY '-?~:~ ~"~,~ FOOT VARIETY. THAT'S =U
~C~ ":~:" SOUTH ~ ..... ~OUTE ~ ..... LIN~S W~'~E T~IN
-~,,r~ ~--,..°~'=" .T~.I3 THAT _.~. ~.~ ?,~ ~.. .~ ......
LORRIN BIRD .... ~ ....US~ : HAD WORKED FOR ~
.......... ......... UNB.R OF ~ARS,
B~CAU~,;0~, -; CASE SOMmOl,~ UNDERSHOOTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
OR .... ~o DIFFICULTY ~,ND A PO'~R LINE -'~ A ~,~=.R ~ ='"~ ~.
DAVE SPOHN...A ~?_*~a'~..o ~l~,
~ '~r~ .Ha COST
DAVE SPO~...~LL IN ~AT CAS~ I~ ~ ~UST HAVE TO ADD IT [HTO
B~CA~.~ IT '&OS~D BE .~ 3HORTER ~a,~C- OF
ANALYSIS 0F BUR~NG IT ~ "~ ' ~'~
" ~',~ ~ ~H~k OUn ~I3~
r,~ ,,mrD LIKE TO DO ~ ~ ....... COI.~!{TS ARE ~a
LORR~, BiRD .i'~iAT :
..... ~ ,t S0 ?~ .... BE ~,T~= THAi
.... OBolA~a~ ~l~:,~o. i'D ALSO
· ~ '-I~ HZ ~F~I~z=.~ TO PROV!D2 THE
LIKE ~0 :~'.~T~O,~, I ~ .... K I'N .A~.,.~ OVER AL~ ~H~
DA%u .~,Or ....... ,0, t~.~ AHEAD.
LORRINBIRu.~ ..SOME 0F ~=z..a ....... SITES C~,LLED FOR AN AWFUL LOT OF RESIDENTIAL
RELOCATION TO P~ IT
DAVE - ~'~
SrOh~ .... ~n~H ONES?
LOERIN BiRD,,,.LiKE FIVE, I THINt( ALL 0F THEM vu -~'mc .....
HOUSES TO ~:' ..... ~ -' ~00.~.,. ;iT .H~ WAY T,.~ RUNWAY[
~_, AND ,~:l~._ t':E~u LIKE, iS ' w-~,-. ' ~=
ARE'RAiD ~uT, IT LC,~,,= .... ~= T.:AT iE THE ~,Y,I.~,,_~ kaRE REALIGNED,
-. ~ o ~ ~.,,~ ' ~ .... ,~0~,TIO,~ COULD
T}:~T iT'S .0S~I~ .n,~ THE ~.'O~Y. OF ~5YDENTIAL orr '~
' ~' BUT
............. ,~ Tu. ;,a~:,!~ NEA~ AN AIRPORT,
"."= ..... ~ ~w~'lZ-S '~= T~a'~ Y0f{ ,.'Tn.~ '.'IR ~',~m ~:'~ TT{!NGS,
~i~ ~'~' . .............. ................... iS THAT
:;~,-.' ~w:-v .~o.~ .... .X,,~.~,:~ AMOUNT 0F r~Lf iT, ?""-
--,--~-~ . ............ ~-..-..v BY ~ ~.l .... TiiAT WaY.
~: :-,,~_, fi,,_,', :? YOU ZEL~.C,~z~ :::~ ..... IA. _. SAY ....
WAY. ~YBE v~
..... n~,~,~ AND ..0~'::. ~ ~MPACT 0F FELOCATING
T~ PEOPLE, ~::~ ~'~' ~ ~ "
NOT iN GREAT D~TAIL, BUT AT LEAST EXAMINING WHETHER TH~ R%'JWAYS CAll
BE SHIFTED A ' m~ ~ ~0~.{~ TO
~I ..... TM~ COMMENTS ~/~ ARE '~' ~'"
THIS REPORT, I ~=: ..... ~0~.,.~ 2E '~"~"' FOR,
· ..~::n, ARE a ~,~ TO ~on~.~,~ ..0,~ THiS ~NAI
~Z~D, LOOKIN~ AT REALIGNING THE RU,,~ 0~'~'* T0
~,, .... : SO AS MIN!MI~
THIS, BECAUSE IT iS A P.,0~L-.:. D ~:,= TO "~'
¢.o,, ONE 0.,.=,, TH~N.¢. IN
A WAY, I KNOW IT'S ~z:~m .... 0P~N TO . z~UoS=0i'f FRCif ~=~.,~ AD~IENCa,' '' ~ RUT
I H~D NOTICED THAT THERE'S A TREE
~,,~ .... T T~ COAST A~
T~ A LOT OF m~;-ow e
-- ~J~ OF ?H~ Ru_,, .... IS V~pv VERY CLOSE
T0 T[~ COASTLI~. I GUESS'ONE mv-,,¢ ~,r~,=~ ,,m~r ~
NOT SAYING T~ SITES ARE NOT 0.K. BUT Th% R~UA~" v ~"~.~D I2 SO CLOSE
T0 THE COASTLINE TiCAT THE STA~ARD CLEARANCES WOULD REQUIME CLEARIN
THOSE TREES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A Rb~IWAY, YOU KNOW, WITH A FORTY
FOOT HIGH TREE TWO EUNDRED FEET OFF TJ~ END OF IT. AND WE'RE WON-
DERING ~AT HIND OF IMPACT C~.~tI,I~ TRa~o ~;CiF~D w '"
._AV~ GiT THE ECHO
SYSTEM..WHATEVER Y~,'~U ~.;~Nm m~ ~ - ,
OLIVA ........ L~=,L~ ..... , ,~C,,,,~, ~n~ . ~,~ HUNDEED FOOT
'~'"''":~ .... '-. ~;~ ~,., ..... ~ HAVE TO 2E TALL TREES
n,'q, AS LO~?~ ' ~ v0U '~Vp ,~ ~ ?--~
.- - },~.,. iN SUCH T[IINOS AS HOh.~SU~z~=~ AND POISON
'~"~ ''' ~'"~'= ' ~.~I,,,o T0 AT,_~ LEAST ALL
,:: ',z.t .,uu-~ HOLD ~[y~,~,~..~,,v -.,z~" AND :{AVE SO,'.:~ Ki)ID OF .-~C.~*? r GRASS OR
:¢h~T HA~ YOU THAT ~2 ON T~
~ ,, ~ .... IT ESTABLISHED THE~.
LORRIN HIRE ...... C.~U~ LHi~T i COULD ~.~:v.-~..~ ~ '
C,~o~ THIS AIRPORT !S NEAR A ~O,~oT, THE F,~.A. O, ONE HAND T~Y
- T,~ ~AF~. AREA %'YHICH
HAVE STRICT CLEARANCES, ARE ,~0~3,~
,oNo TO WITHIN ~iFTY FEET OF ~E COAST, HAS TO BE
LOOKS LIKE IT P" '~
ABSOLUTELY CLeaR, SO THAT IF~" PLANE CO~S IN SHORE~ IT DOESN'T
RIP THE PLANE TO BITS. AND YOU CAN'T LA~=, THEY'LL PROBABLY REC-
05~END THAT YOU NOT HAVE =~= ' r-
~,,~.~zTH~G. THAT IT A PLANE, USUALLY,
FIXTURES WITHIN THE SAFETY AREA ARE TRANGABLE, WHICH ~ANS T~Y
HAVE A BUILT IN ~gAKNESS AT THE BASE. IF A PLA~ HITS THEM, WHAT
~PFENS IS TH~. .JUST FLIES AWAY. THAT'S ON ONE HAND. NOW, AS
FAR AS ~ ~r ~" .... '
P~L,~ BOSH~S IN T~, PROBABLY WHAT WOL~D HnPFmN, IS ~E
F.A.A. HAVE TO ~ =n ~o ~
B=, A WAIVER WOL%D HAVE TO BE ~:~.Um~TsD. I'M NOT
S~E ~,H=m=~sR THERE'S' SOME COAST MANAGEMgNT, F=~R.=L-~'= ~ ORGANIZATION
0R SO~THING T~%T MIGHT HAVE, OR SOIL CONSERVATION, THAT MIGHT
HAVE SOME KIND OF JURISDICTIO}I,OVER..
RUTH OLIVA...I DON'T ~NCW IF THEY HAVE JURISDICTION BUT WE USUALLY
COMMENTS-FROM T~ SOIL A~ WATER CONSERVATION PEOPLE D0h~ IN RIVER-
HEAD~ SUFFOLK COmiTY. TREY WILL GIVE SO~ SORT OF A PLAN AS TO
~AT WILL BE SUITABLE FOR PLANTING A~ PERHAPS EVEN FOR THAT.
CAUSE O~ BANKS ARE %00 ' e~'=~ , ~,v:~ - ~Rm STABL
~I~.~. ~ ,= SEzN BANKS THAT "
FOE THIRTY ~ARS AND IN STORM NELSON, STARTED TO ERODE. 50, AND
THAT WAS WITH SOME PLANTINGS ON IT
. ~, REALLY, MOST IEPORTANT
THAT YOU TRY T0 h~P ~ ~u~'- u~ T~f~R~ I~EP ~.~ ~
LORRIN ~IRD...=L~ THING H~.~, ALSO,~ ,,-~ .... ~ ~. . . CLEARANCES~
iT :~OOK~ LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HCW HiGH ~ "~ ~?~ ~ ~:a~YB~ FIF~~
~oJa TALi;I~TC ,IBOU~ ~' ~'~v'~' RET!fEZN ~-,-v .~
FEET..SO ...... ~ ~-:z .... .~, ~x~m T0 FIFTEEN
p', .... R..:.~ AL*,~'I, ..... .~AoTi._..~. ~,.lD YOU KNOW IT COteD
..... 1~I ....... ~ TUAT .. ~'.~.A. SHOULD BE BROUG~
BE VERY FCTZ~'IT!AiLY o~-~- myer: ,, ~:'E ~ "
iN ~Y QbI.~LLY B~C~Eo~ FISH AND '"~ .... ~ IF VERY PARTICULRR ABOUT
WHAT YOU PUT AROUND AIRPORTS THAT IT DOESN'T ATTRACT BIRDS. AND
THERE ARE SOME BUSHES THAT BIRDS LOVE TO LIVE r,
~N. SO IF YOU PUT
UP LIF~E A MULBERRY BUSH OR SOMETHING YOU MAY END UP HAVIN,~ FLOCKS
SITTING ON THE BUSH. AND THEN THE F.A.A. ..S~,P= BEING SO C~0~a- o~
TO THE RUNWAY THIS IS GOING TO BE ULTRA-SENSITIVE BECAUSE YOU WANT
IT CLEAR AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BRINr~ ANIMALS IN, YOU DON,T WANT TO
ATTRACT ANIMALS THAT LIVE IN BUSHES EITHER.
RUTH 0LIRA...IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO CONT~CT THEM BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE
SOME MORE VALUABLE SUGGESTIONS. I WONDER IF THEY HAVE S0~[E SORT 0F
LOW MATTED GROWTH THAT WOULD HOLD A BANK IN AND YET NOT BE HIGH
AND NOT ATTRACT BIRDS WITH SEEDS AND WHAT HAVE YOU~.
LORRIN BIRD...FISH A~D WILDLIFE IS MONOPOLIZING THIN~S. IT,S VERY VERY
ODD, LIKE THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO CUT THE GRASS TOO LOW B~A~
?" ~ IF
YOU CUT THE GRASS LOW, BIRDS MIGHT SIT IN IT. BUT IF YOU DON'T
CUT_ IT LOW ENOUGH,
RUTH OLIVA...THEN YOUR OTHER BIRDS WILL COME IN.
LORRIN BIRD .... YES, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, THEY FIND THAT DURING THE WARM
~ WEATHER WORMS COME UP ON THE RIDIWAY. DO GULLS EAT WORMS?
RUTH OLIVA.. NO, BUT ROBINS DO.
LORRIN BIRD...A~D BECAUSm~ OF ~{~? NATURE OF THIS AIRPORT, WE HIGHLY SUG-
GEST THAT AS MANY ORGANIZATIONS BE BROUGHT IN AS POSSIBLE SO THAT
I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THAT T~ STUDY LOOKS AT IT FROM A LOT OF ~OINTS
OF VIEW, BEFORE A RECOMMENDED SITE IS ACCEPTED, BY ANYBODY, WE'RE
GOING TO PUSH THAT WE!D LIKE THE AMOUNT OF REVIEW THAT IT'S GIVEN
EXPA~DED OUT.
DAVE SP0h~:. ..0.K. WELL PAUL, WHAT WAS THE '-~ ~ ~=~
· D~P~A~k~3~ OR HAVEN'T YOU
ACTuAlly PUT IT ON T.~ERE? IT WAS JUo~ A o~TC~I. O.K. THAT HAS
NOT ~ ~
B.~N SPECIFICALLY ADD ...... D BUT YOUR ~ ',~' ~
,~0-t~NT~ WILL CDRTAINLY
BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU LORRIN.
p. POR~RANZ,..IT MIGHT BE USEFUL IF THE MAP SttOWED THE E-,,ECTRIC
AND
DAVE SPOH.~. iT'S Mb~,THER DOWN, PETER, I~ ,~ MAP
P. P0~AJZ...-~ THAT iT?
DA~ SPOHN...~S, THAT'S IT.
p. PO~RANZ...IN SPEAKING TO LILC0 D0 YOU HAVE AR~f IDEA HOW MUCH OF THAT
W0b~D HAVE T0 BE BUR~D.
PAUL PUC~I...I THI~ %'~ GAVE T~M A WIDTH SO~THING LI~ T~T WO~D COVE
THAT PROPERTY THERE.
p. PO~RANZ...O.K ......
DAVE SPOHN...A THOUSAND FEET
PA~ PUCKLI...%~S, IT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND
DAVE SPO}~I...IT ~.~AS A THOUSAND F~T THAT ~H~Y GAVE A ROUGH ~o,~T~ ON.
P. PO~RANZ. '"~ ~
...~ THEY BE OBSTRUCTIONAL!ZING ~HE TOV~RS THAT ARE LEFT?
YOU KNOW~ PUTTING RED LIGHTS ON THEM?
DAVE SPOHN...I WOULD I~GINE THAT ~AT iS A REQUIRE~NT, THAT ~N~HING
WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS HAVE ~E RED LIGHTS 0N A~THING ON EITHER
SIDE.
LORRIN BIRD ...... IT MIGHT BE ADVANTAGEOUS ALSO TO PUT ..., I~M GOING ON
T~ MAP, I'M AFRAID, WHAT ~ LiKE TO S~m, THE TRgE AREAS, THE
AR~uAo ~;~ ~AVE TREES ON THEM, PLACID ON THiS DRAWING A~O THAT
THE AREAS OF TR~S~' CLOSE iNT0 THE' SITES THAT ARE..GO~NG T0 BE RE-
P~O~
MOVaD BE CLEARLY ~.~.~,,~wn ....
~:,rv,..~, ,.,,.,~' GET r~ ......... .-.o ... ~T~J~ ~. ACTUALLY NHAT'S ~CING
REVIEW THIS,
ON.
DAVE SPOHN...:'LELL,
P. PO~CERANS...i~S,
THAT '~" '~a CL ' ~ ':' .~ ~ ,.4.
YOU REALLY DON'To~-.~°~P HERE h~HERE T~E.~ TREE LINE To~. YOU
r,,'~O~ .............. SITE..YO[~ HAD IT ON T~[E AERIAL. _. MIGHT BE
USEFb% TO EITHER SHADE IN OR SHOW THAT.
LORRIN BIRD .... ONE MORE THING,WE ARE GOING TO ASK ~LAT ~0I~ CONTOURS
BE PLACED ON THE DRAWINGS, IF POS~IBLE. BECAUSE ALTHOUGH TP~
NOISE, ACCORDING TO T~ CONTO~ ANALYSIS WON'T BE SIGNIFICANT,
IN CLOSE, IT SHOULD BE SHOW~ JUST SO THAT IT'S OBVIOUS. IT'S KIND
OF DIFFICb~T TO GO FROM THE DRAWING IN THE BACK T0 THIS ONE P~RE,
WITHO~ ACTUALLY HAVING IT ON THE DRAWING.
PA~ PUCKLI...T~T I~LL BE IN THE FINAL PLANS.
LORRIN BIRD...FINAL PLANS ~ANING THE FINAL VERSION 0F THIS REPORT?
PA~ PUCKLI...NO, THE ~STER PLANS~
LORRIN BI~ .... B~CAGS~ ~AT HAPPENS, IS iT'S KIND OF DIFF!C~T TO REVIEW
AN ALTERNATIVE UNLESS YOU HAVE THE NOISE CONTOURS 0N Ti~ DRAWINGS
BECAUSE ~E SCA~ 0F THIS D~.WING IS KIND 0F DISSIMILAR T0 THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE WO~ SCOPE 0F T~ STaY INDICATED THAT Ti~
CONTOURS W0~D BE PLACED ON T~ ALT~R.A~z~ DRAWINGS. WE HIG~Y
SUGGEET IT SO T~AT T~ R~L~.T~uN~_~ OF S iN THE BACK TO WHAT'S
~R~,,~,~ CAN B~
DAVE SPOHN..THAT'S PA~'S ITEM
p. POE~NZE...IN OT~R WORDS E'RE TREATING, WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THIS
REPORT AS A DRAFT REPORT AS T~ FIRST PHA~n .....
TAPE CHANGE
RUTH OLiVA...A COST ANALYSIS OF T~ '~CLE PROJECT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT
WAS KIND 0F LACKING. I C0i~DN'T FIND JUST ~AT-IT'S GOING TO COS
T~ TO;~ ~LESS i DID SOME FiSURiNG AROUND
~0~ R~.~ ~'~" ARE VERY PRELIMINARY Bb~ IN ~ NEXT
PAL~ PUCRLI...THE ~ ~'~ ~ ~'~
STA~, WE'LL DC ~
· . ~ ......... COST ANALYSIS AND A FINANCIAL PLAN.
R~H 0LIVA .BECAUSE I ~ "' ~o~-~
... ~:.I~h THAT'S MOST L..~R~A.;T A~O I'M SURE THE
D.~ SPOE~'~.. ~ 0 ..... ~.
.~, A}~ MORE ~ "
PETER PON~RANZ...I T~NK iT MIGHT BE OF ~' w
~S~ TO SPELL OUT THAT IF THE
~T: nv ~ T ' '~ ~ THERE CAN BE
TOWN GOES AHEAD THIS iS A ~Ct~S~FUL PR~J.~, THAT
AN AG~EMZNT ON AN AIRPORT SITE AND IT iS DEVELOPED, THAT Tt~ SPLI]
IN FUNDL~, IS 90~ F~DERAL ~ U ~DI;~,, 7~;~ STAT~ F~:'.DI:~'~ AND THE LOCAL
~ OF THE COST.
SHARE IS
... ~DD~D IT UP, IT CC?~S TO ALMOST
RUTH OLIVA I THINK SO FAR THAT ~'VE ~ '~
RIGHT NOW, IN ROUGH ~UR~S, ALMOST $100,000. A~ THE $100,000
T0 THIS TOWN IS A LOT OF MONEY. A~ THmR~ ARE MANY PROJECTS INAU
~0~ T~T~ARE MOST IMPORTANT~TO~.T~ PEOPLE IN TOW~ AND IT'S GOING
TO BE KIND OF ~ TO T~M TO LET T~IR LEGISLATORS KNOW WHIC~ IS
MOST IMPORTANT.
P. POMERANZ...RIGHT, BALANCING A NEW FACILITY, T~T AND IT'S E~IRON~~
AND ECONOMIC IMPACT ON TH~ TO%~/IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL INDUSTR~
AND JOBS AGAINST T~ IMPACT ENVIRONMENTALLY. AND THAT'S A DECISION
THE TOWN HAS TO MAKE.
DAVE SPOHN...PETER, IS S0~ OF THAT TOWN'S SP~RE APPLICABLE TO SERVICES
IN KIND?
EXAMPLe.
B~ DEAL WITH THAT BY
~.I~K I CAN
P. PO~RANZ..IF THE T0%~ ..,I ~= ~
WE DEAL WITH THE CO~TY, MOR INSTANCE A~ THEY HAVE PROVIDED PART
OF T~IR SHARE BY PROVIDING ENGINEERINGs. SERVICES FOR A PARTIC~AR
FACILITY. IF THE MUNICIPALITIES L~VOLV=D AT TIMES Tt~Y DO ALLOW
CERTAIN THINGS. THERE IS SOME.LEEWAY THERE.
DAVE SPO~...THERE ARE SOME CERTAIN THINGS.
p. P0~RANZ..BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE UP FOR DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT...
IN TIME.
.... A,~D*~..C~ WHAT iS ~'~YNT BY "IN-
RUTH OEIVA .WOULD YOU ~XrLAL T0 _H.~ ". ~'~" ~
KIND" ~ , ~o ~.,~ _~, - ..... ~ ,~
S~RJz~ ~ .... ~D OF ~ Y. ONEY FOR T?E IN-~{~ ~R~IC-~ FROM
THE mOI,?~_ . T0 ~QUAL THAT A~.~T OF MONEY. ':~.
._. , ,~mLL, I THINK MAYBE PAUL C0~D HANDLE THAT BETTER.
PAL% PUCKLi...%~U[AT "iN-KIND" SERVICZS ARE IS SOMETHING ~ CALL "FORCE
~Y, A FACILITY TREY~°r~"~":'r-'.~ .... ~' SC:~ ..... ~? ~"~°~ .... TO ""._~ AND ::=': "~
,~u,.B~R OF ~uD~oL~--~ THATo~=~,~ TO ...... '~ · :(b~TiCIFALiTY
PAID JUST PAID IN 2ER%ICES.,,~...~..=~m~'~P ~=~,n.~, ~.o~o,,L DOLLARS TO ~LP
US DO THE ~m~T~V THATtS ...... = " .... 'm '. ' ....
........ ;:~ ~,~-~,D SERv zC~C ARE.
DAVE SPOHN...T.A.,~,
LORRIN ]BI~... CO~D I JUST ~R~ E~a," IN AGAIN? v~O~ tt HAD ~ROUGHT UP
$100,000, A FISD~E TinT'S IN T~ REPORT, I GUESS FOR T~ LOCAL
SHARE AND I'M NOT m~v~,~_.._~..~ TO D0 THE NEXT PHASE 0F T~ REPORT, BUT
T ....~T.
THAT ~lO0,OOO, BUT THIS ~'~STER P~N IS COVERING A '.'=? v
PERIOD SO THAT THE DEVELOPM~JT IN IT COVERS T~'~NTY YEARS. ~NO,,
T~ ~lCO, O00 oH~ i2 T.,~ LOCAL . IF E .......... ~ ON PLAN
IS CONSTRUCTED WITHIN ~'~ v=~ ~ ~'~'
=H~ ~.~X. ~,=:'IT~ t~ARS. ONE 0F ~E .....
TTM =~ '~ ~ _ .... ;._ YEARS, NOT
Rb~H'OLIVA..,I WOg%D SAY iT CO.,=_,~ . ~ THE N~X,
WAY INFLATION'S gOING, LOR,.,.
LORRIN BIRD...~LL, THAT'S R~AL DOLLARS, THAT'S TODAY, PROBABLY IT'LL
BE FA~E A BILLION IN TWENTY YEARS. BUT t~AT ANOTHER SPONSOR
UP~.,~z' A ..T~q~ :" SELECTION REPORT,c~° TH=~ LAND ACQUISITION FOR
~.Ao~D ON W~%T I SEE IN THIS REPORT, COMES OUT TO ABOUT A
$3~,C00 LOCAL SHARE...THAT'S ~3~,000 A~ WHAT ANOTHER SPONSCR OF
T}~ SITE o~==CTI~:~ STaY GROUP OF GLOVERSVZLLE-JOHNSTO~;N,U.~o'~,A.~
~LPHao~D,~ ~'=~' AND iS ~:'."~,:~rT::~ ...... TO~,l~ :,~HEN,. .~ TTfEY DECIDE, ~'.,O.m ",~N,
!F THEY D.~CID~ .~, r..~ ~w.,.~,~m THE __,~.~. ~ ..... ~., ., ..... aL~: TNE ?LIST
~.A~ A ,-J~.o_~R tL~.~, TO .
~..~ ;'~N=,'~J,.. .~u~,.cA.., FACILITi:~G ...... I ....O~] AIRPORT, WHI~I IS
....... ~:~'II~AR TO THIS,
'r=~v '/~y FAMILIAR, ~.,.I ..... :.~m FA~'JILIAR,VERY
,~ ....~..E_ R~ PLANNING OU IT FOR THE FIRST STAG~ IS A R~IWAY, A S!NGI
TAXiWAY . RO~': TH~ MIDDLE OF THE RUNWAY TO THE TmR~I:'~,~ AREA AND A
.APRON. T~ COST FOR THEN RIGRT?, I CANJ,T_~ .THE FIGURE OUT
BUT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE A LOT OF THE DEVELOPEM~T THAT, ALONG THE
LINE, LIKE A TAXIWAY THAT RL~[S THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE RUNWAY,
A~ ..... ~ iN THE ~ ~ ~r
BIGGER APRONS. WHAT T~Y'RE ~or ~v~ .~LO~ .... ILL~ AREA,
IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TURN T~ AIRPORT OVER T0 A FIXED-BASE
OPERATOR WHO WILL COME IN, ~ WILL BI~LD A TERMINAL, HE WILL PUT
UP ~N~ARS, HE WILL PUT IN THE Fr~L FACILITY. I'M NOT TRYING TO
J~P A~AD OF THE oTL~Y. T~ F.B.O., FIXED BASE OPERATOR, ~AT
~'LL DO IS ~ ~LL TA~ OVER EVER~HINS BASICALLY EXCEPT ~E
C~TING THE G~SS OR ~ MIGHT..S0~ AIRPORTS THEY DO THAT. AT
CANASTOTA, THE FIXED ~SE OPE~TOR CL~S THE GRASS, MOWS T~
WAY. ~ DOES EVER~HING FOR T~ C0~TY, FOR T~ VILLAGE, EXCUSE
~, FOR T~ TO~,~I AND HE PAYS FOR THE RIGHT TO CLEAR .H~ RUNWAY,
FOR THE TO~. NOW, FULTOn! COUNTY EVEN THOUGH THEIR AIRPORT OVER
T~ T~NTY ~ARS WILL PROBABLY BE ALMOST EXPENSIVE AS THIS, PROB-
ABLY UERY SIMILAR, THmY R= JUST GOING T0 B~LD...IF YOU DECIDE TO
'~ GR T0 BUILD THE FIRST STAGE. NOW THE
BUILD TH5 AIRPORT YOU A EE
SECOND STAGE, WHICH CO~D BE THE FULL TAXI WAY, BIGGER APRONS,
FANCIER LI~LTS, YOU KNOW,APPROACH, THAT YOU CAN IMPLE~NT WHEN
YOU BUILD WHEN YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT. NOW IF T~ FIRST
STAGE PASSES AND TP~T'S ALL THAT THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE TO DO,
T~T'S ALL YOU BUILD. WHEN YOU SiGN THE AIRPORT LA~0~ P~AN~'~W~N
THE T0%~ APPROVES THE A.O.P., ~Y~AT T~ DO IS THEY APPROVE IT IN
CONCEPT. AT THE END OF THE STUDY THERE WILL ~ A LAYOUT PLAN AND
WHEN YOU APPROV~ IT IN CON~P~, ~-{~,~ MEANS WELL, IF %'~ BUILD ANY-
THING IN THE FI~URE, IF, ~'RE GOING TO BUILD IT ACCORDING T0 THE
'~ ~ .RO~; .H~ F.A.A., IF YOU GET IT, TO
PLAN. ~H~N YOU GET A GRANT ~ ~ ~ m
B~ .Th~ LAND ANU TO BUILD THE R~'Y~;AY, YOU.'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD
ANY OTHER ~
~W~,'EVER, THAT'S ON THE PLANS. SO I WANT TO BRING
THAT O~ BECAUSE T~ N~BERS ARE IN HERE ARE TWEN~' ~ARS, THEY'RE
b-LTIMATE NblMBERS AND IF THE TO?~ AGREES TO 90 ALO.~ WITH ONE SITE
AND TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, APPROVii'iQ THE PLA~i DOES ?~OT REQUIRE THE7
TO BUILD IT, EVER, IF YOU A?FROVE THE
RUTH OLIVA..JUST LIKE~ OUR OTHER MASTER PLAN THAT ;-IAS APPROVED BUT NEVER
FULLY '~DOPT£D. I MEAN THAT WAS A LA~;D PLAN B%~
LORRIN BIRD...UNTIL YOU SIGN THE FEDERAL APPLICATION ~ND YOU ACCEPT THEI?
MONEY, YOU DOM~T HAVE TO BUILD AN~HI:!G. D. ND ONCE YOU DO BUILD
SO~,~ETHING YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD ANY MORE. SO THAT,S WHAT WILL
BE LOOKED AT IN LATER PARTS OF THE STUDY WF~RE THE CONS~JLTANT IS
GOING TO SAY WELL, IT'S GOING TO COST'A $100,000 OVER TW~ENTY YEARS
FOR THE TOWg;. AND THEN }~'S GOING TO LOOK AT FUNDING SOURCES,
THIS IS THE NEXT STAGE AFTER. HE'S GOING TO SAY, ~fELL A $100,000
THE TO~'~N WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH ~0,000 TO BUILD THE FIRST
STAGE AND DO THEY HAVE THAT ~.VJCH? AND BASED ON THAT, IT'S VERY
POSSIBLE, WELLL, IT'S POSSIBLE, EXCUSE ME, THAT WHAT'S AT THIS
STAGE MIGHT BE SCALED DOWN A LITTLE MORE. IN OTHER STUDIES IT'S
HAPPENED THAT YOU SHOW A FIVE THOUSAND FOOT LONG RUNWAY IN THE
FIRST STAGE AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE'S AN INDIAN BURIAL GROUND
OR S0~THING ~NDERNEATH THERE AND YOU C~%N ONLY BUILD THREE THOUSANI
SO, I WANT TO BRING OUT THAT THE NUMBERS IN HERE ARE ULTIMATE AND
THE REFINEMENT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SO THROUGH MAY CHANGE THEM
DP~.STICALLY. AS ~fS EARLIER M~NTIONED, THE Rb~WAY-A~IGNMENTS HERE
MIGHT BE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
DAVE SPOHN..T~!ANK YOU VERY MUCH, LORRIN.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
ED REEVES..~..DO YOU 'JANT TO KNOW WHICH SITE
DAVE SP0?]~:...WHIC~2 ONE YOU PICKED.
LORRIN BIRD...THAT 0~E RIGHT THERE.
DAVE SPOHN...SITE TWO...THAT'S YOUR
~OW, FROM MY GROUI, DO I HAVE
I PICKED?
ED Rm".V~S...I LIKE BEIMG ON 48, BI~ I JUST THi~K THiS
~..~ A LOT ~E~
PROBLEMS, OVER-ALL.
DAVE SP0~...OH.
LORRIN BIRD ....... AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO RELOCATE THE ROAD OR REALIGN
IT
ED ~EVES ..... YOU DON'T ~VE TO BD~Y WIRES
LORRIN BIRD...T~RE'S N0 WIRES..
DAVE SPOHN .... ~LL, THERE IS SO~ VERY LOW TENSION WI~S, NO, UP THERE
ALONG OREGON ROAD THE~ ARE.
ED REEVES...UP ~RE?
DAVE SPO~...NO,T~RE.
ED REEVES...OH, T~Y'RE MINOR
'~ ~ ' ~ ~'~ THEY'RE
DAVE SPOHN...OH, THeY Rm SMALL O~S, THE SM~LEST SIZE.
LORRIN BIRD...THE ROAD IS IN T~ CLEAR ZONE IN THE B~,~IN~IJ~ OF T~ CLEA~
ZONE. IF YOU GO ALONG WITH THAT ALIGNE~NT, YOU EITHER HAVE T0
CUT THE ROAD OFF ..
DAVE SPOHN...0H, N0. WHAT ~ WAS...HE AGREED WITH YOU]THAT WE ~D TO
MOVE T~ ROAD AROUND BUT HE WAS SAYING THERE %~REN'T A~ WIRES A~
I WAS POINTING OUT T~RE ~'~RE WIRES WHICH WO~D HAZ~ TO FOLLOW THE
ROAD 0R HAVE T0 BE BURIED, ONE OF THE TWO,...
LORRIN BIRD .... BURIED, HEAH.
DAVE SPO~...FOLLOW THE ROAD OR BE ~URIED.
ED REEVES . I'VE ~E~N 0~ I~T~RS~T~ 95 FOR THE PAST 17
DAT~ SPOHN. .vEAw, ~IGHT O~ RUNWAY ON~ ~ '~
...... ~ · - ~,~ ~ .~A~ ~ CO~,~..~NTo
01~ THEIR L:~nrI.bo 0~ THE~_T~S WE LO.K~ AT TI{IS
YOU ','~AJT TO TAEE tT U~DER ~r ow~-~
AD~Io~,'~ , ,D LOOK AT IT A LITTLE CLOSER
BEFO~E YOU ~'~AKE ~"~'~ "
~o ...... S 0-, IT? O.K. FOR THE NEK? IT~'~ OF ~US,INESS
I THINK IT WOULD BE I~fELL T0 TURN OFF THE LIqHTS AND WE'LL JUST SHOW
YOU TH~ PROPOSED $IT~,~ ON T~ SCREEN. A~D AT THAT TI~.E, ~t'T~R T~T,
~'LL TA~ CO~NTS AND Q~STIONS FROM T~.~I~OE.
A SERIES OF SLIDES SHOWING THE SELECTED SITES FROM SEVERAL VIEWS
A SERIES OF SLIDES SHOWING AIRPORTS. IN REFERENCE TO HOUSING IN SOUTH-
OLD TO%~! AND SURROUNDING AREAS. COMM£NTS WERE M~DE DURING THIS PRES-
ENTATION AND MAY BE REViE~gD RY LISTENING TO THE TAPE.
DAVE SPOHN...I DIDN'T GET THAT. JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND REPEAT TRE
STATEMENT.
ERIC BERGMAN ..... MY NAM~ IS ERIC BERGMAN AND I DON~T WANT THE AIRPORT
THERE. WE AR~ LIVING T~RE NOW. ~ ARE ALREADY T~RE NOW.
'DON'T WANT AN AIRPORT THERE. I DON'T WANT AN AIRPORT FOUR H~-
D~D ~ET FROM MY BACK DOOR. YOU KEEP ALL T~SE BEA%~iFUL PICTU~S
YOU_ SHOED US, HOW T~ POP~ATiON BUILT UP. B~CAUS~ T~ PEOPLE
~D A CHOICE, IF T~Y WANTED TO MOVE NEXT TO T~ AIRPORT. YOURE
NOT GIVING ME T~ CHOICE, YOU'RE TELLING ~, I'M P~TING AN AIR-
PORT THERE.
DAVE SPOHN .... WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVe' ~ A CONC~R~';,~ ~ YOUR CONCERN WILL
~VE TO BE ADDRESSED AND TO YOUR SATISFACTION. S0 DO YOU ACCEPT
T~T STATEMENT?
ERIC BERGMAN...IF I'M SATISFIED .... EVERYBODY mL~, THERE'S A LOT OF
OT~R PEOPLE, NOT JUST I~. T~RE~S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPL~ CONCERNDEC
ABOUT ~VING AN &IRPORT, ~OT T-,o~
oPO ....... MR. BERGMAN, YOU DO PERSONALLY, OR T~ PEOPLE THAT L~ IN T
AR~ OF T~T ~RT~CuL~R TRACT WERE NOT ~m,~aD CUT. THEY DID NOT
.~O~L ....... STUDY ~':
.~ [~,~D ~,T, ~:~,~ ~ TH~ OJ~ THAT THEY ~,.'r~,~_~ WOULD zAVE THE L~ST
~w:~ '~ NO ~-~'~ DID ~u~ ,,~ .0 EFFECT.
.rz.~_. , ........ , ~..:~Y SAY iT ;~;OULD ~,wm ~= THEY
..~=.,~. ..... ~T .= ~ ~OI,,, EF~C? THE QUALITY OF ~='~ ..... I=~ 0F
-,~ .~RPORT AND THEY RECOGNIZE
+ ,...... ;THAT PEOPLE IN THAT AREA ARE GOING TO BE VERY CO~;CmREED~ ~
ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO
MR. BERGMAN.. ~ ~
.... {~ PEOPLE I~RE NEVER ASKED.
~:DAVE SPO~'~...ON THAT DIRECT POINT, '~S, ~t~ ~ ~,~ -
. ,~C RJl~,,~. YOU
ERIC B~R~N. .THIS IS GOING BACK TO WHAT ,At P~,~D TiIIS
WENT IN AND ASF~D A MILLIONAIRE IN NEW YORK HOW ~ FELT, IF
D~D,.
WANTED TO SELL HIS PROPERTY FOR AN AIRFORT BL~ YOU '
LITTLE POOR G~ WHO LIVED THERE NOW. IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO WHAT
~ DID THIS MORNING. YOU AS~D HIM IF ~ WANTED TO SELL A~ A
BALL PA~ FIG~ 0F WHAT ~ WANTED T0 SELL FOR. FINE, ~S A BIG
MILLIONAIRE, W~T ABOUT ~? ~AT ABO~ TH~ REST OF T~ PEOPLE
DAVE SPOt...~ HAD A SIGN FOR SALE ON ~AT. ~ ~RE LOOKING FOR A BALL
PARK FIGU~. WHEN WE GET TO TH~ PART W~ WE PUT THIS TOGETHER,
ABSOL~ELY, ~ HAVE TO ADDRESS EVER~ODY Ti~T~S CONCERNED. %'~ JUST
WERE NOT TO THAT POINT ~T. IT'S LIKE GOINQ TO A PLAY, YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO WAIT FOR THE PLAY, YOU'RE GOING T0 ~ TH= DRESS REVERSAL
0R YOU'RE GOING TO SEE T~ FIRST CASTING...
ERIC BERGMAN..THIS IS NOT A PLAY, THIS IS ~EOPLE~S LIVES...
DAVE SPOHN...EXACTLY, IT'S EXACTLY THAT. SO WE HAVE TO BE ABSOLUTELY
SU~ AND SPECIFIC BEFORE %~ ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEMS. I~M USING ~E
TERM WE, THE COM~IITTEE.
ERIC BER,~N... THE n~'~
~ C~.,.,~ITT~, HOW ~ANY PEOPLE? THE COMMITTEE IS ALL
AVIATION PEOPLE. :..~ ?~
RUTH OLIVA...I'M NOT.
ERIC ~EROMAN...HOW CAN YOU = u~
,A,~ AN ~BIASED OPINION OF ~R~ TO P~ IT
IF YOU DON~T ~;,u.,
,~ .....;~ FARMER UP TieRS OR A HOMEOWNER WHO'S PUT HIS
LIFE SAVINGS.
~L PUCK~i . . I AMSWE~ THAT??IM I BAD YOU ON THE COh**I~.~E co~D YOU
HELP ~ LOCATE ~ERE AN AIRPORT SH0b~D BE? DO ~U KNOW AN~HI~
ABOUT AIRPORTS?
,~H=R.~ IT SHOULDNCT BE.
ERIC BERGMAM...I KNOW w ~ -~
HIRED TO FIND ThE MOST FEASIBLE SITE.
PAL~ PUCKLI...THE TOW~ ~ ~ " IT'S
UP TO THE ~.02q~' ' iF ~EY WANT TO PUT A~, AIRPORT THERE.
ERIC BERGMAN...I'lq TALKING ABOUT ~E R=~T 0F T~ PEOPLE. YOo WERE HIRED.
IT'S THE SAM~ THING. IF I'M DOING A CONTRACT, IF SOMEBODY HIHES
~ TO BUILD A HOUSE~ I~LL BUILD T[~ HOUSE. IT'S NOT UP TO ~ TO
FIND O~ IF T~ PEOPLE ARO~D T~RE WANT ONE. YOU DiD YOUR JOB,
BUT ~EN YOU k~NT ARO~D DOING YOUR JOB, AND YOU .~A~D THAT
PEOPLE IN TH~ SURRO~DING AREAS HAVE A BIG SAY ABO~ IT NOBODY
WAS
AS~D.
B~IN~ ASKED RIGHT NOW.
PA~ PUCKLI...YOU'RE ~
DAVE SPO~...SEE, THAT'S THE k~OLE PROBLEM. CAN I ADDRESS THAT LITTLE
PROBLEM. THIS IS A T~NICAL ADVISORY GROC~.
ERIC BERGMAN...WE SH0~D HAVE BEEN A~K~ BEFORE.
DAVE SPOHN...NOTHING WAS PASSED YET. JUST A MOmeNT, MRS. BERGMAN,
UNDERSTAND YOUR POSTURE AND I'D LIKE TO GO ON TO OT-~R PEOPLE AND
GET THEIR COi,~NTS Q~CKLY AND %~'LL GET BACK TO YOU, O.K.? CAN
WE DO T~T? MRS. SKABRY iN THE BACK IS WAITING FOR IIER TURN TO
TO SPEAR. JUST STAND UP AND oT~T~, YOUR NAME. DO YOU ~ANT TO C0~
TO THE MIKE?
MRS. SKABRY: ~ ~An~ IS ~,~RGm SKABRY. SITES FIVE AND Six ....
.... (A~PARAMT~Y ASKING ABOUT C~AR ~
DAVE SPOH~...oI~ F_Y~ AND SIX?
PAUL PUCKLv .OH, ~' ~=~ ,~'R~ SHORT T~Pm IS
~RS, SKABRY 0 'g ~ F A A ~ SUPPOSED TO
FINANCE ~ ~ J~ oHO~a.D BE FOOLISH
· H~ STUDY, RIGHT? IF "- "
........ AND T~ AIRPORT SHOHLD GO TUROUGH AND THE F.A.A. HELPS US
TO PDT THIS AIRPORT IN OUR TO~,~. WITH THE MONEY THAT THE F.A.A.
PUTS IN, WOULDN'T ~H~Z HAVE CERTAIN GU~D~-IN~S AND C~nT~.~N..
DAVE SP0~I .... ~S MA'M, AND THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT WE'P~ TRYING T0 D0.
MRS. SKABRY ............ CROSSWINDS .........
DAVE SPOHN...0H, THE CROSSWI}~ RD~WAY, I THINK I ADDR.oS=D THAT EARLIER.
MRB% SKABRY...WHAT DOES THAT CONSIST 0F?
PA~ PUCKLI. .CL~ARANC= CRITERIA SUCH AS CLEAR ZONES AND BUFFER ZONES.
ALSO IF THE F.A.A. MAKES AN INVEST~T IN AN AIRPORT..
MRS. SKABRY..THEY .... A SAY.
PA~ PUCKLI...THEY DON'T HAVE A SAY, IT'S YOU'RE AIRPORT. B~, IF FOR
SO~ REASON THAT AIRPORT SHOULD NOT BE AN AIRPORT AN~O~, THEY
WANT THEIR MONEY BACK. BECEUSE THEY'VE ~DE AN INVESTMENT.
NRS. S~BRY .... AND ALSO TOO, DOESN'T ...... HA~ THE RIGHT AS IN ISLIP,
W~RE THE T0~ ORDINANCES %~RE SET ~ TO PROTECT AND ....... EAN-
INGLESS BECAUSE THE F.A.A. A~'~ T~ AIRLI~S DECIDED T~Y WOULD
~Y ~'~tAT THEY WANT, WHEN THEY WANT?
PA~ PUCKLI. .THE F.A.A .... D~CIDm THAT. THE AIRLINES ARE F~E TO DO
THAT. THEY CAN GO W~RE~EVER T~Y WANT TO
MRS. SMABRY ..............
DAVE SPO~...I DON'T THIN~ THAT'S BE~ DEOIDED YET. I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING
IT BUT NOT REALLY CLOSELY. I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN DECIDED YET.
JOHN SPOH~',.THEY'VE LIFTED ~0~ 0F ~E NORATORIUMS IN S0~ 0F THE AREAS
IN THE SURR~DIN~ AREAS. ~.r.
DAVE SPOHN...OH, T~T WAS A BUILDING MORATORI~
JO~ SPOHN...THE TO~ 0F ISLIP DECLARED A MORATORIUM ON BUILDING ANY
STRUCTURE iN A N~BER 0F DIFFaRENT w"
- AR~A~, SURROUNDING ISLIP AIRPOR~
AND I GUESS ABOUT A MONTH AGO~ THEY LIFTED THE MORATORIUM ON A 'f:~
N~IBER OF ~ ~ TM ' ~
~L~Sz AR~AS. I BELIEVE THEY ~D PROTECTIVE COVENANTS ON
THE PROPERTIES, THAT IF THE PEOPLE CH00SE~T0 BUILD T~RE, EIT~R
MRS.
DAVE
RUTH
MRS.
DAVE
MRS.
JOHN
MRS.
MR. BERGMAN..WH~,R~ DO YOU LIV~.?
JOHN SPOHN..I LIVE ~'~ ORIENT
B.~R~hAN A~{D SKABRY .... :',KY DON'T YOU PUT iT IN YOJ., BACKYARD?
JO~ SPOHN..I LIVE IN ,,R~.:,POR~ AND ~,.~R~ ~ NO ROOM.
ERIC BERGY~AN...WELL, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR IT IN MY BACKYARD,
DAMN SURE.
JOHN SPOHN.. IT'S .NO~ YOUR BAC .... ~RD.
RESIDENTIAL OR INDUSTRIAL OR WHATEVER, THAT AT SOME LATER DATE,'
DO NOT PETITION TO HAVE THE AIRPORT REMOVED BECAUSE IT WAS THERE
FIRST.
SKABRY... I ~ M TALKING NUMBER OF ~ IGHTS.
SPOtR{... OH, YOU MEAN.
OLIVA...LIKE NORTHEAST ...... WANT TO PUT MORE FLIGHTS IN.
SKABRY ...................... HENRY'S LANE ...... STANDARDS WE ALREADY
HAVE,,, ,EXTENSIONS LIKE LAGUARDIA, YOU START SMALL YOU END UP BIG.
SPOHN..WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S NOT TRO-E.
SKABRY..WRITE IT IN BLOOD;~ WRITE IT IN BLOOD FOR ME AND GIVE ME A
COPY, I'LL HAVE IT PHOTOGRAPHED.
SPOHN...I'LL DO IT. I LIVE ~RE.
BERGMAN..YOU'VE GOT A LOT TO SAY, WHAT'S YOURE NAXE?
THAT'S FOR
MY BACKYARD.
YOU DO NOT OW?T THAT LAND, DO YOU? DO YOU OWN
ERIC BERG~N...YES IT iS
JOHN SPOHN.;.YOU DO NOT,
THAT LAND?
ERIC
I DC O,,i~ ~,. ....... D. I OWN ONE ~ ~
DAVE SPO~'T..0RDER, ORDER, ~?~
O ....... BERGMAN, i'D LIKE '~
.... ~ nA~.~ ORDEM SO
:.,A.~., R. .i'D LIKE ~ ~"~'"~ ~" .. THAT
.......... '1 SOME ~P ~E ~u ~r
C,~ THiN~ .HA~ WAS "~vN~':~'. By ~R. PUCKLI OR ~Y-
ON ;~'~ TODAY. ~'~ ~
BE IT WAS MR. POMERANZ, I~M NOT SURE. THE STUDY WAS ACTUALLY
CONSIDERING T~{E ECONOMIC AND THE ~JVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. THERE'S
ONE VERY I~PORTANT ASPECT THAT WAS NOT MENTIONED, AND THAT IS Thee
SOCIAL IMPACT. THAT IS WHAT MR. BERGi~%~I A~TD SOLVE OF TS~ RE'GT OF
THE PEOPLE HERE ARE TALKING AP, OUT TODAY'. W?LEN THIS STUDY WAS
APPROVED AND THE PURPOSE OF T~PZE STUDY AND THAT'S THE NAM~ OF IT,
AIRPORT SITE SELECTION ~STER PLAN STUDY. THIS STUDY, THE PURPOSE
OF THIS STUDY WAS TO CHOOSE A SITE AND TO MAKE A PLAN FOR USING
THAT SITE.
COMMENT FROM MRS. SKABRY .........
FRANK BEAR .... O.K. THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE AND I THI~VK THE CONCERN SHAT
MR. BERGMAN AND S0~ OF THE REST OF YOU APsE ADDRESSING IS' THE FACT
THAT THIS STUDY WAS REQUESTED, APPROVED AND STARTED WITHOUT EVER
FINDING OUT WHETHER THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD WANT AN
AIRPORT. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN NUMBER ONE. NOW WE'RE TOLD THAT
WE HAVE TO WAIT U~TIL LATER BEFORE WE FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THE
PEOPLE IN THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD WANT THIS AIRPORT. I HAVE LISTED
SOME ~UESTIONS WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERS TO AND WHICH I
HOPE ARE QUESTIONS WHICH YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERS TO, TOO,
SO IF YOU'LL GIVE ~ JUST A FEW MINUTES, I'LL GO THROUGH THEM.
THE FIRST THING THAT I DID WAS TO GO THROUGR THIS REPORT, WHICH I
HAD TO BORROW FROM THE SUPERVISOR IN ORDER TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO READ IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET A COPY OTHERWISE._ I READ THE TABL5
THE INFOR~YKTION FOR sITEs TWO, FIVE AND SIX PARTICULARLY, IN ORDE~
TO TRY TO C0~ UP WITH SO~ KIND OF FIGURES. AND I MADE A TABLE,
WHICH SHOWS, ACCORDING TO MY FIGURES, AND I WANT TO HNOW IF THESE
ARE CORRECT, TF~"~T THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST FOR THIS AIRPORT, IN-
CLUDING THE INiTiAL PHASE DEVELOPEMENT, LAND ACQUISITION, PUTTING
THE LILCO LI.~!ES HNDERGROUND, AT LEAST THE ONES THEY'RE TALKING A-
BOUT NOW AND TH~ ACCESS ROAD WOULD COME TO A FIGURE OF $4,32~,000.
NOW HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FUNDING? WE'VE BEE?? TOLD
OTHER TIMES THAT 97,~ OF TSIS COST
THE FACT IS THAT ABO~ 81~{ WOULD BE FUNDED. BECAUSE SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABO~ ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING.
THE TOTAL AMO~T, ACCORDING T0 ~ FIGURES~ ELIGIBLE FOR F~DING,
~R ALL THOSE THINGS THAT I'VE ~NTIONED WO~D BE, INSTEAD OF
$4,325,000., WO~D BE $3,505,000. SO IF YOU GOT T~ F~DING AT
T~T ~G~E A~ 97~% OF THAT, ACCO~ING TO MY ARIThmeTIC, AND QUIT~
~A~KLy I SO~TIMES HAVE TRO~LE BALANCING ~ 0~'~[ C~CKBOOK,
$3,417,375., LEAVING REMAINING COSTS OF $907,625. NOW OF T~T
FIGURE, ACCORDING TO THE R~PORT~ $820,000. WOULD BE FOR T~ DE-
VELOPEMENT OF T~ AREA AROL~[D T~ RL~WAY, THE BUILDINGS A~ ~L
THOSE THINSS. THAT $820,000~ ACCORDING TO WP~T ~ ARE TOLD, OR
THAT KIND OF DEVELOPEMENT WO~D BE TAKEN CARE OF, I'M NOT QUITE
SURE BY ~OM, THE TENANTS, THE CONTRACTOR, OR WHOEVER. ~'RE
NOT TOLD HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE. SO EVEN IF THAT DIDN'T COST
THE TO~ GOVErnMENT AN~HING, THAT W0~D STILL ~AVE US WITH :.
$87,62~ TO GO. NOW, A~ THOSE FIGURES APPROXIMATELY CORRECT, MR.
PUCKLI ?
PAb~ PUCKLI...THE FIGURES ARE RIGHT. I DON'T ~DERSTAND W~ERE YOU GOT
YOUR INITIAL PHASE DEVELOPEMENT ELIGIBLE FOR'Fb~DING COSTS.
FRANK BEAR...RIGh~ OUT 0F YOUR REPORT.
PAUL PUCKLI...~l~93 MILLION?
FRANK' BEAR... !~S.
PA~ PUCELI...I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHAT'S NOT ELIO!B~ FOR Fr~:DING?
FRANK SEAR...WELL, THERE'fj A ~i~ DIFFERENC~ BETP~EN ~1.93~ EILLION AND
,,I~I0~.
FAUL PUCKLI...WHAT ASPECTS OF TNE WORK iS NOT F~DAELE?
FRANK BEAR...I DON'T KNOW. I C0~DN'T TELL BY YOUR REPORT. I ASS~ IT'~
THAT $~20,C00 FOR THE TERMINAL DSVELOPMENT, ~UILDINGS AND THAT
SORT OF THi[Lq. QUITE FRANKLY, I .;;AD TO READ THAT THING SEVERAL
TI~S BEFORE i COULD FIGURE OUT 'WHAT iT WAS TALKING AEOUT. NOW
I FIGURE, FROM YOUR REPORT, THAT LAYD ACQUISITION I$ ALL FUNDABLE.
PAUL PUCKLi...~S.
FRANK BEAR...AT 97~. I FIGURED OF THE ~100,000 THAT YOU SAY IT'S GOING
T0 COST T0 GET THOSE LILC0 WIRES ~D.~]RqR00~D, ~ GET
PA~ PUCKLI... THAT ~ S TR~.
FRA~ BEAR..,AND FOR T~ ACCESS ROAD, ~?,O00.COST, ~,~7~.~=~U,~i~{G.
PA~ PUCKLI...~S. '
FRANK BEAR...NOW IF THOSE FIGURES ARE CORRECT, OUT OF THE TOTAL FOR T~
INITIAL PHASE OF DEVELOPmeNT WO~D BE ~R THE TOWN, -~868,25C.,
WHICH THE $820,000. PRESL~ABLY WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF BY SO~BODY
ELSE, ~YBE SOMETI~ IN THE FUTU~. BUT NOBODY KNOWS WH~ OR HOW.
LEAVING, AS I SAY, T~ $87,525.
PA~ PUCKLI...ASSUMING YOUR ARITHMETIC IS RIGHT, THEY L~S.
FRANK BEAR...I'Vg CHECKED THEM SEVERAL TIMES. NOW THEN, IF TNAT IS ALL
CORRECT, I'D LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT TM~T $820,000.
PAL~ PUCKLI...O.K.
FRA~ BEAR...HOW MUCH OF THAT IS FOR LABCR, AND HOW MUCH IS FOR ~TERIAL[
AND EQUIP~.~NT? IS IT APPROXIMATELY 50-50 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
~A~ PUCKLI...WELL, T~ICALLY, THE COST IS ~L-INCLUSIVE.'
FRA~ BEAR...ALRIGHT, WILL THE TERMINAL A2EA DEVELOPEENT BE DONE UNDER
CONTRACT WITH COME LEGAL E:,!TITY IND IF S0, '/~{AT LEGAL ENTIPY?
PA~ PUCKLI...TUAT REMAINS TO PE SEEN.
FRJNK BEAR ..... WE DC[~'T SNOW. IF THERE ISN'T ANY SUCH CONTRACT, WHO WILL
D0 T~:E TE~MiYAL ARZA D~VZLCP~ZNT AND WHAT ARRAN~NTS?
PAUL PUCKLI...TYFiCALLY, MOST AIRPORTS 0F T[~ SIZE WE'RE TA~ING ABOUT
IT WOULD B~ T~ FIXED BASE OPERATOR CONSTRUCTING HIS 0~ FAOILITIi
~C,~=,~ WOULD
FRANKBE;~R,. .OVER ".'gHAT PERIOD OF ~"~', ~,.:~ AND WHAT KIND OF
THIS DEVELOP~{T BE DO~?
PAI~ PUCKLI,.,THAT'S UP TO UHOEVER DEVELOPS IT. Ti~ FIXED BASE OPERATOR.
FRANK BEAR.. S0 ~'~ D~N ~ riNDS. ~w~
PA~ PUCK~I...N0.
FRANK BEAR...IF THE DEVELOF~.~NT IS TO BE PAID FOR, AND 0R DONE BY THE
TENANTS OR THE FIXED ~AS~ OPERATOR WHAT K~ OF A S .... Dbms, OF A
FEE SC~D~E, WHAT'S IT GOING T0 COST THE P~OPL~ ~0 USE THE
AIRPORT, IS IT GOING TO BE..
PA~ PUCKLI...THAT'S SO~THING BETk~EN THE TO%~ AND ~E FIXED BASE OPER-
ATOR. IT WO~D ~E 0N L~ASED PROPERTY SO T[~ TOW~ WOULD ACCR~
~VENb~S FROM THAT.
F~NK BEAR... SO ~IHuY ~ ' WOT~LD HAVE TO FIGURE R~,~"~,IU~o ~160 .... THIS $820,000
~Gt~, EV~lTUALLY AND THAT SORT 0F THING, RIGHT?
PA~ PUCELI...I WO~%D ASS~ THE F.B.O. OR FInD BASE OPERATOR WO~D
WANT TO )~KE A PROFIT,
~A~ BEAR...WITH T~T KIND OF A SITUATION, WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE A
PRETTY ~AVY EXP~ISE, MIGHT THAT DISCOL~AGE SO~ OF THOSE PEOPLE
WHO SAY THEY MIGHT COME AND USE
TIM~?
PAb~L PUCKLI...I DOUBT IT.
THE AIRPORT NOW AND ....... SOME OTH5
FRANK BEAR...NOW, MIGHT THE ENVIRONMENT CONDITIONS AND.CHANGES IN COST
ALSO DISCOURAGE THE USE OF THE AIRPORT BY PROFESSIONALS AND BY
BUSINESSES?
PAUL PUCKLI..I WOULD THINK NOT.
FRANK BEAR...IF THIS ENVIRONi,~NT IS NOT DONE PROPERLY AND ON S0~[E KIND
OF SCHEDULE MUST THE TOkN THEN DO IT A.~UD PAY FOR IT?
PAUL PUCKLI..THAT WOULD BE UP TO Th"E TOWN. IF THEY WANT TO PAY FOR IT,
SURE, BUT IF THE TO;',%I DOESN'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT, THEN NO~
· ANSWER THAT FOR THE TOWN. ~,~~?'-~ ~...~,
f
I CAN'T
FRANK BEAR...WHAT 'NAS THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST OF AIRPORT ~'~!NTENANCE
WHICH IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR Fi.~DI?TG?
PAUL PUCKLI...I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T ANS?fER THAT. I'M NOT AN AIRPORT
OPERATOR.
FRANK BEAR...HOW WOULD TP~ESE EXPENSES BE PAID?
PAUL PUCKLI...THAT WOULD BE A TOWN EXPENSE.
FRANCK BE~R...A~YD BY WHOM WILL IT BE DONE AND UNDER WHAT ARRANGE~ENT?
PAUL PUCKLI...TYPICALLY, A FIXED BASE OPERATOR WOULD DO THAT AS PART OF
HIS CONTRACT.
FRANK BEAR...IF THE MAINTENANCE COST IS NOT DO~E UNDER TENANTS OR FIXED
BASE OPERATORS WILL IT THEN BE THE TO~,~'S RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE ·
THAT IT IS DONE AND PAY FOR IT?
PAUL PUCKLI...SURE IT WOULD.
FRANK BEAR...MY NEXT QUESTION IS BASICALLY IS MIGHT SOUTHOLD TOWN ~
REQUIRE AT LEAST SOME DFFICIAL AIRPORT OVERSIGH?~ BY TOWN PERSONNEL]
PAUL PUCK~L!...I WOULD THINK SO.
FRANK BEAR...HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU THIN~K RYiGHT BE NEEDED?
PAUL PUCKLI...IN A LOT OF CASES I HAVE SEEN THE TOWN CALL ON THE DEPARTS'
MENT OF PUBLIC WORKS OR HIGHWAYS AND SOMEBODY WOULD JUST BE AN
OVER-SEER FOR THE AIRPORT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FUNCTIONS PROPERLY.
FRANK BEAR...THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE, THEN.
PAUL PUCKLI., .MAYBE A MINOR ONE THEN, YES. .~
FRANK BEAR...WILL TNE TOWN BE REQUIRED TO CARRY AND PAY FOR LiABILITy~.,~.~,.
I.~SURANCE?
PAUL PUCiiLI...I BELIEVE IT WOULD~
FRANK BEAR...ANY IDEA :~AT THAT '~OULD COST?
PAUL PUCKLI...NO I DON'T. ~:~
'DAVE~ SPOH~:...THEY CURRE~;TLY HAVE A POLICY, i BELIEVE, ON FISHERS ISLAND.
A!~D WHEN THEY HAD TWO AIRPORTS, THE POLICY COVERED BOTH AIRPORTS.
/~.HEY,. pAID. ~. , MATTITUCK FOR FIFTEEN YEARS ·AND.- . ~T~.~H~T~ TI;~~ IT I COVERED~,· ·
_ BCTH AIRPORTS.
P; POIJ~RANZ ....... FUTURE SECTIONS OF THE REPORT ;:iLL ANS}.'ER A LOT OF
THIS.
PAUL PUCKLI...TUAT'S TRUE.
'~"~ "~ ~ ~ .~TH ~ANY OF Th~
P~ PO~RANZ,.,..Fb~URE S~Oho CF THE REr0RT WILL ~AL ~
Q~STIONS YOU'RE ASKING WITH REGARD TO~n~TS TO T~ TO~ OF RL~NINC
T~ AIRPORT A.~...
PA~ PUCKLI .... WE WILL BE PRODUCING A FINANCIAL PLAN TO HELP T~ TO~
AFFORD AN AIRPORT AND IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE ON AN ECONOMIC BASIS'
?,0~ GO AHEAD WITH IT. THAT'S A PART TWAT
THEN THE TOWN SHO~D ~ ~
~RE CHAR~D WITH, TO ~rp THE TO]~ FI,~A~C= THE AIRPORT.
Rj'TOMERANZ,..ALSO, 0~E OF T~ , IN TH~ FIRST PART OF TH~ R~POR~, THAT
YOU AT .... D~D THAT PRIOR ~ETiNG, IF YOU R~LL, OF CUR CONCERN~
WAS A DEFiNiTION ~Y THE TOWN OF WHAT KIND OF AIRPORT THIS WAS
W~R~ GOING TO BE = ~
A_L~ TO
GOING TO BE AND WHAT KIND OF AIRPLAMES '~ ~
Y~.O~ THiS IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS VOICED A
USE IT. I ' ~"
A FEW MINUTES AGO. PARTICULARLY TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT VERY LARGE
AIRCRAFT COULD NOT USE THIS AIRPORT AND THAT IT BE RESTRICTED TO
SMALL AIRuRA.~, 5Y DEFINITION. A~',D THAT'S DO~ BY ~XACT~Y T~
~0~ ~;O~D ~UILD. HOW THICK THE PAVEMenT IS AND THE
KIND OF AIRPOHT v ~'
~ ~ ~HE R~WAYS AND T.aXI,~_S. SO THAT IT IS
RADII, .HE DI~NSICNS OF ~ ~ ~ ,,~v
IMPOSSIBLE FOR LARGE AI:~_~.r~ ?0 ~S= IT. FROM THE START, THE
H~S ~'~{~ ~ A~I~Y: ~ ~ TO DEFINE EXACTLY WUAT ~IND~ ' OF AIRPOR~ iT WOb~D
~ IF IN FACT, THAT'S %'fHAT IS ~'~ ~'~
B~, ,,AN~.~D. AND THE CO.~ANT iS CHER].
WITH THE ~A~I~IL~,~ OF" :~ ~:~ ~OT: 0NE,~S AN
DOES IT ,.~Ah~ ~,C,.~[C~,,~'~' ............ ~0~ ~'" TOWN AND TH~N ~H~ TOWN r;AS T~
WHE~E-WITH-ALL TO ~:A~.~ '~:? ~IO,., TUE FYLAL D~Ci2[ON, WHETHEH
' m .,0,..~ TO qO ~'" J..~R~ IT'S ~O~J~ TO ~0.
OR NOT AN A~RI'OR. IS ~ T~? ,..~ .... ,,.,D ' ~:~ ~ * ~
,~J.~ ~'? OF ~E QI~STIONS THAT YOU'RE ~o-
,~oLI.~, MR. BEAR, ARE SOi'.~W~T
~R:'-o OF ~ ~ ~n~"~ ..... 0v.:~ RIGHT !;OW.
PRE~%TL~E IN ~w -~ ~H~ ~'~.u~oo WE'RE GOING ~u~ ?~-
RE~MBER~ THiS IS ONLY THE SECOND ~ua~T OF O~' A SEC0%ID R~AL~Z
· '~ANI~,~,UL :.~ET~= THAT nAD IN A~,~_~o~re OF ,,m~Z~S. A~
WE'RE WORKING TOTAL VIEW OF ~[E PUBLIC OBVIOUSLY AND ACCEPTING
C0~NTS. BUT T[~ ~RST ~TA~ ~S PA~ EXPLAi[[ED ~RLI~R, W0~D
DETERMINE ~'~AT SIZE FACILITY THIS WAS GOING T0 BE, DEPENDING ON
THE DE'ND. T~ SECOND PHASE iS TO BEGIN T0 NARROW THE SEARCH
FROM ALL THE OPEN A~AS IN TO~ TO A SPECIFIC FEW DIF~R~[T AREAS.
THE 'STATE, FOR ONE, HAS NOT MADE ALL O~ COMmeNTS, ~z~RE JUST
GATHERING ~EM. AND SO WE TA~ THIS DOC~T, AS A DRA~ DOCU-
~ THAT ~ HAVE TO ADDRESS MORE SPECIFICALLY. LATER PARTS 0F
THE PROCESS WILL ADDRESS ~NY OF THE CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY T~
ECONOMIC CONCERNS THAT YOU ~!VE RAISED, AND THEY'RE PERFECTLY
VALID POINTS. YOU ~NTIONED THE SOCIAL ASPECTS OF IT. THAT'S
INCLL~SD IN THE ENVIRON~NTAL ASSESSmeNTS 0F AN AREA. IT'S NOT
INCLUDED iN THIS REPORT BECAUSE THAT'S PRE~TU~ T0 WHERE ~ ARE
TODAY. BUT IT WILL BE ADD'SEED. NOW, ~'RE ALMOST T0 THE POINT
W~R~ IN FACT THERE SHOED BE A HIATUS IN THiS PROCESS. WHERE
~ HAVE A LIST OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND THERE'S A HIATUS, A B~AK
POINT, %~-iERE THE TOWN HAS TO DECIDE D0 TitEY WANT AN AIRPORT. DO
T~ PEOPLE iN THE TOV~ OF SOUTHOLD WANT AN AIRPORT AND ~ERE IS
T~T AIRPORT GOING TO ~
B~. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T STUDY T~ woRLD. IT'S
TOO EXPENSIVE, THE CONSULTANT DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME, THE STATE, THE
~o ~'T ~ M "~' FAY
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND T~ TOWN D0~ HAVE T .... 0~,.% T0 FOR
~0~,T .~TH~m THERE'S ENOUGH INFOR>iATION
THAT. '~'RE ALMOST T0 THE ~ ~" ~ ~"
~ ~r~ , =~v '~ ..... ALkI~.~ ABOUT. D0
_~0.~ HAVE ~ P ...... GOOD IDnA OF WHAT WE~ ~ ' ~
YQU WANT AN AIRPORT? ARE THE ~,~ ~EF-~.~ THERE OR IS IT TOO MUCH OF
A PROBLEM? SOMEBODY HAS TO DEOIDE. AND THAT DECISION RESTS WITH
T~ TOWN. AND T[~ INPUT TO ~KE THAT DECISION F~S TO CO~ FROM THE
.... '~ '~ ":' ~' '~ THE OB-
CO~UNIT¥. A,~D iT CO,'~..,o FROM BOTH .~IDm~, OF CO~T'=~'IITY. .
VIOUSLY ~: = ....
~{~ RESIDENTS I~.~'~EDIATELY ~RO~'~D A PROPOSED AIRPORT
" HAVS A V~o~D ........... T AND THEY'RE GO~G TO ~ HURT, THEY'RE VERY
VOCAL. THAT'S ~,~.~ WAY IT SHOULD =~. BUT ALSO THERE ARE OTHER
PARTS OF ~'~ COMMUNITY THAT TEND TO BE LESS VOCAL, PARTICULARLY
~ r~ ~ ~[= BUSINESS INTERESTS.
ECONOMIC I3,~R~oT~ IN THE COMMb$~ITY, ~ '~
THEY ARE ALSO VI,~L~Y IMPORTANT TO T~ [~ALTH AND ~LFARE OF THE
CO~UNITY OVER A PERIOD OF Ti~. ~D THOSE ALSO HAVE TO BE HEARD
AND THEY DmS~R~ A VOICE. BUT ~E DECISION ON WHETHER OR
THERE WILL BE AN AIRPORT IN THE TOWM OF SOUTHOLD WILL REST WITH
THE TO~ AND THE TO~I BOARD, AND ~iAT~S WHERE T~ DECISION
BE. AND AS A .~AT~R OF FACT, THIS STaY WILL NOT GO FORWARD B~-
~0~S NOT TAKE ACTION TO GIVE THEIR
YOND A CERTA~ POINT IF TP~ TOWN ~ ~ '
GO-AHEAD ON IT. THAT'S A..~,,-,,~,~.,.RmO~rwm~w~. BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOV-
ERNMENT AND THE STATE GOVER~IENT IS NOT GOING TO P~ A LOT OF
~ ~0T
MONEY INTO SOMETHING THE TO~'~ DO~s~ WANT. IT'S NOT GOING ~ '
~PPEN T~T WAY.
FRANK BEAR .... IN ONE THING YOU JUST SAID, THAT THE BUSI~SS CO~IE~ITY
SH0~D HAVE AN OPPORTb~ITY:TD SPEAK TOO AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
T~Y'VE ALREADY HAD THAT OPPORTLXIITY. THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN
HAVE NOT.
p. POMERA?~Z.'.NO, THAT ISN'T SO. -
~I,.~ THAT I'VE BEEN,..I'VE
FRANK BEAR...IT IS S0, AND THIS IS THE FIR~;T ~ ~"'~
BEEN T0 ~uR ~f,~, ~ETiNG AND I WAS file O~.L.: ,,E~ TH .... THAT WASN'T
~ ~ ~ 0F ~O~"~'~EE NOW, FINALLY, 'WHEN SOME INFOR~TION
A M~kB~R THiS ~,~,u~_-~ .
HAS GOT OUT "=O~'~ ~ ~.k~R ..... D AND
,~.,~ iT, PEOPLE AR= u~, .... ~. ~
~ R.~,.',~,~ THE FIRST
C0>~CERNED. I STTTL .... G0 BACK T0 1!',' ~'-~'~* PD~.~,r r,,~ THAT
T ....~.~ ~HA~ ~HO~D HAVE B~.', BEFORE
DON~, ...IS THING EVER STARTED,
IF IT SHOULD HAVE STARTED AT ALL, WAS TO FIND OUT WHETHER THE PEOPL~
OF~ THE T~ i, OF SOUTHOLD WA~IT AN AIRPORT.
DA~£E SPOHN .F-ERE~S YOUR ANS',ffER RIGHT .~R~, FRA:'~K.
FRANE BEAR... I..
DAVE SPO~;...I SuGgeSt. YOU READ IT BEFORE YOU GO FURTHER WITH THAT
UE
Q STION.
FRANK BEAR...WELL, I 'DO KNOW THIS, I DO ~0%~Y THIS..
DAVE SPOt...READ THE COVER, ~AT DOES IT SAY?
FRANK BEAR.. ~IT SAYS SOUTHOLD TO%~, 1964, WE ARE NOW IN 1984, IS ~AT
DAVE SPO~...THAT HAS BEEN P~ IN POSIT/ON,AND ?LACE, VOT~ ON
FRA~ BEAR...~S, I KNOW.
DAVE SPO~. .A~D IT HAS NOT BEEN RESCINDED, IT'S STILL ~
' ~CTIVm LIKE
ANY OTHER D~CI~_O~~ Er ~ BY A TO.~N" BOARD. '~ ~.
FRANK BEAR. .THIS WAS DONE BY T~ TOWN ~
' o.~A~D~ THIS WAS NOT DONE BY THE
PEOPLE 0F ~v~0%~ OF SOUTHOLD.
J05~ DUELL. I'H A PEOPLE, I WANT THE
~ANK BEAR...ALRIGHT, YOUT'~ ONE OF ~THE PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT
SPEAK, B~ SO DO I.
JOHN D~LL...O.K.
FRANK BEAR...BUT THE PEOPLE A~ NOT C0NSD~?ED...
JOHN DUELL...I'H A PEOPLE, I~M A PEOPLE
FRANK B=AR. .THE PEOPLE ARE NOT CQNSULTED IN THIS REPORT.
MRS. BERGMAN...WERE YOU HERE IN ~? '-
~0~ DUELL...~S, WE WERE. ~RE(,YOU HERE ~','
MRS. ~'r ~?~" ~ ~..n~ WAS NO AIRPORT.
~R~.;~J...I~E CA~ HERE IN '?9 AND
FRAi~ ..~,~.~ ....... P~OrLE WERE NOT COJSULT~D IN THIS REPORT. THIS WAS DON~
~' ~ ~ ,'~O,'f T0 FIND O~ W~AT T~
FRANK B~A~...TH~ WAS ~0 ~FFORT ~AD~ TH2}[ 0~ ~
P~OPLE OF TH~ TO~ OF SOUTHOLD '
WAJT.
ERIC BERGMAN...HOW MANY PEOPLE ON TNAT TCtf~.i ~CARD ARE STILL IN EFFECT
HERE NOW?
DAVE SPOH)[...IT WAS PUT INi POSITION LIKE ANY OTHER LAW, ANY RULE, HEGU-
LATION, ZONING AT THE TIME AND iT'S STILL EFFECTIVE.
JOHN SPOHN...YOU f,~AM THAT IF T~ TO'.~[ BOARD MADE A LAW TWENTY YEARS
AGO, THAT IT'S NO LONGER IN EFFECT BECAUSE THE TOkeN BOARD ..........
MR. BERGMAN...IF TNE PEOPLE DECIDE T~Y DON'T WANT THAT LAW AND THEY
VOTE ~[0, THEY DON~T WANT IT, IT ISN'T EFFECTIVE.
JOHN SPOHN...THEN YOU~VE GOT TO GO TO TI~E TO~.~? BOARD AND TELL THEM
AND TELL THEM YOUR OPINION ..........
FRANK BEAR...WE'RE ASKING TR~ OPPORTU~[ITY TO DO THAT OPPORTU~JITY UP
TO NOW.
JOHN SPOHN...YET. BUT iT'S PART OF THE ?ROCES2 AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THER
YET, THAT'S ALL.
FRANK B~R...ALR~H~, MR.
WHAT YOU!RE AFTER.
SPOHN,
IF IT...
KNOW, "OU'RE JOHN SPOHN AND I KNOW
JOHN SPOHN.. ~AND YOU'RE FRANK~BEAR AND i KNOW WHAT YOU'RE AFTER.
JOHN DUELL...YOU'VE HAD PLENTY TO SAY, PLENTY TO SAY.
FRANK BEAR...WELL, NOW ~AT I'D LIKE ....
DAVE SPOHN..,JUST WHAT IS YOUR P~POSE?
FRANK BEAR...YOU'VE BEEN IN ON EVERY LAST ~TING, MR. BEAR, SO DON'T
TRY TO SAY THAT NOBODY ~V~R ASKED YOU.
MRS. SKABRY...WE NEVER GOT ANY CO~..-~IT~o UP L~T.
JOHN SPOHN...THIS I~ HAS BEEN PUBLIC FOR SIX YEARS AND ~VER~ODY
CLAIMS THAT NOBODY ASKED ~.
....... ~ ..... HAVI,.~ TO DO iT ONE PERSON AT A TI~,
Y~o V~ ~ ~ ..... ~RANSIT~:OU SOT UP YOUR
KAZOO, EVER~HING.
~POH~,...DO,, . TELL ~ ABOUT MY KAZOO, LADY.
MRS. SKABRY .... N0, I GUESS ......
ERIC BERGMAN...".'~iiEN iT'S RIGHT 1'2 YOUR BACKYARD, THEN YOU HAVE SO~'~THING
TO SAY ABOUT IT. IT IS OUR BACKYARDS, OUR LIVES, OUR SAVIN.~S.
DAVE SPOHN...ORDER, ORDER.
JOHN SPOHN...IT'S MY TOWN, YOUR TO%fN, EVERYBODY'S TOWN.
DAVE SPOHN...ORDER, WE UNDERSTAND FULLY, YOUR CO~'~NTS, SO...
FRAhrK BEAR...I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION.
DAVE SPO~I~.j.FRANK HAS ONE QUESTION, BLur i'LL HAVE TO LIMIT YOU. WE'VE
GOT OTHER PEOPLE.
FRAhrK BEAR...I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'VE ~0T ONE OTPUXR QUESTION. WHAT
IS T~ PROSPECT FOR FU~SDING FOR THE PROPOSED AIRPORT AT THIS TIME
OR IN THE FORESEEABLE FD~URE?
PAUL~PUCKLI...I'D SAY THE PROSPECTS ARE PRETTY GOOD.
FROM THE AUDIENCE...WITH THE CUTBACKS IN THE DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT AGENCIE'.
LORRIN BIRD...THE FEDERAL PROGRAM FOR AIRPORTS:HFS BEEN~INCREASING.~ I
THINK~THE Nb~BER TREY SHOW IS $450,000,000 NATIONALLY, FIVE YEARS
AGO, NOW IT'S UP TO ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
FROM THE AUDIENCE...I'M SURE THAT'S ONE THING THAT THEY'LL CUT BACK ON
SIZEABLY.
LORRIN BIRD...WELL, THE THING IS,
THE MONEY IN A TRUST FUND.
I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER.
WHEN A PERSON BUYS AN AIRLINE TICKET
I THINK 8~ 0R SOMETHING OF~THAT TICKET GOES..IT'S-L~KE BUYING
GAS ON THE HIGHWAY. THAT'S NOT FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS. IF THEY CUT
BACK .......... ON T~ TRUST F~ID, THAT HAS NC REAL IMPACT ON TAXES
IN GENERAL. IT JUST EFFECTS THE PEOPLE THAT F~Y.
DAVE SPOLrN...D0:';'T GO WITROUT THIS
WAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
FRANK BEAR...I~VE READ IT.
DAVE SPOHN...IT'S FACT, IT'S LAW.
IT'S YOUR COPY. HEAD IT, I,~
FRANK BEAR...IT'SL~.d,'~ BUr IT'S NOT AN .~..PR~S~ON:~¥ ~ oT, ¢ OF T~ ATTITUDE IN
TO'~ OF S0~HOLD AT THIS TI~.
~ HA~ TO WORK TO NOW, i~D
CH,~,,,~ T~ LAW.
DAVE SPO~...h~LL,. THEN YOU ' ' ....
LI~ TO M~ ONE SF~LL C0~'!~NT AND T~ ~,TL~MAN IN THE BACK HAS
BEEN VERY PATIENT, S0 MAY I HAVE ORDER JUST A M0~'~NT?
GENTLEM~N ~RO.~ THE AL~ImNC~.. .I'D LIKE T0 KNOW T..~u~ COST OF THIS ENG!-
N~RING ~ASIBILITY STaY ..... THE TAXPAL~RS MONEY.
DAVE SPO~;..O.K. I CAN GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT. 'iT0 NOW, 1978,
THiS %~OLE PROCESS ON D~IN~ THIS, T~ TAXPA~RS 0F SO~HOLD HAVE
PAID ZERO.
GENTLEI~.N FROM T~ AD~iENCE: WHO'S FOOTING THE BiLL FOR T~ ENGINEERING
SERVICES?
~.~ Y0~< STATE DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION
DAVE SPOHN...T~ F.A.A., T!~ '~'=~ _
A~ IN THE F~URE, THERE MAY BE SO~.~ COSTS TO T~ TO~ OF 2~% OF
TF~ WHOLE ST~Y.
GENTLE~N. FROM T~ A~IENCE...THAT'S OUR TAX
DAVE SPO~... P~0N?
GENTSE~N FROM THE AUDIENCE...THAT'S OUR TAX MONEY FOR THE STAY.
.FROM'~T~'A~IENCE...DC YOU ~LQVE A FIGURE ON T~~'~vT_,~. ~GARDLESS 0F
WHOSE MONEY IS BEING'SP~3T, I'D ~U~,T LIllE T0 KNOW WHAT THE
COSTS.
DAVE SP0~....~6~,C~. A~D T~ ~.0 .... FR0~
.... ~,~.~ IS T~' AVIATION DEPT.
~ ~ ~RA~.
CF ~"~ STAiE, AND ALSO FRON T[~ ~u'
F. PO~{ERANZ.. m'T*T' 'T~ 2C~TD ~.
.... ~. S ?A~T OF T~,z LTATE
FROM ~ ,. ~,,~ ~,c~ ~0.:,~ T~~,~T ~qE.. >!O[~EY FROM?
P~ FOMERANZ.. 2ART OF T~ STATE 20ND I ....
FRO~f T}~ AU~I~J ..... WHERE DID THEY 5ET Tile kO:,~Y
FRO~ THE A~IENCE .... H~Y B~Y BONDS
FROM T}[E AUDIENCE...I~AH, FRO)( TIIE TAXPAYEqS.
QUSSTION.
P. POMERANZ...I'M TRYING TO..
JOHN SPOHN...BUYING BO~[DS IS AN ELECTIVE PROCESS,
DAVE SPC~[...O.K.
NOBODY FORCES YOU.
NOW I'D LIKE TO M~.KE ONE LITTLE ST~TE~':~NT. YES, ~IR.
FROM TI~ AO~DIENCE.. ~ rc
. -,{-~ IS
DAVE SPOI~... RIGHT.
FROM THE' AUDIENCE...BUT WHAT
ADVISORY C~.,- ,~I,T~ ....
BOARD? THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD?
DAVE SP0,.wN...OF THIS STUDY. 07 THIS STUDY.
FROM THE AUDIENCE...AI'?[iCR!ZZD ~ WiIAT BCARD?
DAVE SPOHN,..THIS WAS APPOI!~TED BY THE TO%'~: BOARD.
FROM THE A~IENCE...IT WAS THE T0~'~ PLANNING EOARD.
DAVE SP0~DI...NO,. N0, T~E TCW~! BOARD iTSELF APPOINTED T~ R~MBERs CN THIS
COMMITTEE.
FROM THE AD~IENCE... ~ .ARE TimBRE A~Y OT[~R COMMITTEES FOR THIS?
DAVE SPOHN...NOT AT THE PRESE'~T, NO.
FROM THE AUDIenCE...IN W[~T I~3, NNER CAN WE DETEF~INE WHEN FUTU~ M~ETINGS
OF THIS COMMITTEE WILL BE HELD? WHERE IS A P~LIC NOTICE GOING TO
BE?
DAVE SPOt...IT'S ALWAYS PUT 0H TM~ CALENDAR WELL IN ADVANCE.
FROM THE AI~IE~[CE...IT WILL CE 0~ THE CALENDAR TI~N. THANK YOU.
DAVE SPOHN.. ~S, IT'S ALWA~ PUBLISHED h'HEN THIS COMMITTEE MEETS. AS
YOU HAVE SEEN, T~{IS COMMITTEE WAS OPERATING IN FL~L ViEW 0F EVERY-
BODY.
FRCM THE AUDIE~ICE ................ TELEPHONE
DAVE SF01C,I...I'LL GiVE YOU A CARD Ai~D YOU CAN CALL FOR ANY INFORMATION
YOU WISH, AT Ai~Y TIME. iiAV~ SLIDES WILL TRAVEL. AND BOOKS.
FROM THE AUDISJCE ............... HOW FAR HAVE YOU GONE NOW? HAVE YOU
CIDED 0~ .............. ?
~A~--: '-. , ~';~'~'r~-. ~'~"~
DAVE SPOHN...~C.
ERiC BERG~L~N...WELL, YOU JUST SAID ..............
PAUL PUCXLI...WE RECOM~'LENDED THE SITES. ~,£ £AXE .%ACii ALL THE COMMENTS
WE HAVE A~D RE-EVALUATE IT AND W£'LL RECO~,'i~END A SITE TO PLAN.
ERIC BERGMAN...ISN'T TI~%T Ti~ BEGINNING WHE~: WE CAME UP HERE A~D YOU WAS
FIVE~.
PAUL PUCKLI...WE RECOMF-V. NDED SITE FIVE.
COMM~ENTS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE
B.~. n~R~ WE ARE, LISTENING TO
SURE THAT ~ HAVE THE RIGHT SITE.
FROM THE AUDIEh~CE. .AND THEN WHAT IS
.... ~X~ STEP? YOU WILL PRESENT
~ A~j~f T~T SITE TO...?
PA~ PUCKLI...WHAT WE WO~D LI~ T0 SEE
~ TO'~ BOARD TO hA~ A
C0~T.TH~ TO~ BOARD TO REVIEW ~'~, ~ I,~ HAVE D0~E AND DECIDE
~a~,T TO G0 AHEAD Ai~D D~V~_0r=,"~ ~ ..... OR~ 0R ~0~.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. .AR= THEY ALLO~fED T0 ~'3.~= TUB Co~,~ITT~,~ WITHOUT
THE PEOPLE .......... ?
DAVE SP01D~...M0.
PA~ PUCKLI .... ~'.
THE AUDI~ICE
FROM ...THEY CAN~IOT F~n~ ANY C0~,3'.ITTM~NT ............ ?
~ "~ ~ ~UDIENCE SIML~TANEOUSLY.
SEVERAL QUESTIOMS aJD COMME~TS FROM
DAVE SPOP~. IT'S A ~ ~IC HEARI~IG.
FROM THE A~In~C~...A ~t~ARI~ ~",~"~
~ ~ ~AJ YOU'RE SAMPLING THE ENTIRE
POPULATION OF TiIE TOW/~.
DAVE SPOH~!. "~ ' ~ ......
...~L,~,~'S LIKE ZONIN=. I TU.hh YOU CAN C~CK WITH T!~
T0bN LAW~ER T0
.~-~ .... I THINK HE'S Trim REST
~ ........ ~:~A~. IT = ......... ,~, ....... ~ THAT FALLS THE SAME
~.~ ~.A~ THE
...... ~D .... ~ A~D S0 UORTh, ~ ..... JURISDICTIO~t 0F
FROM~ THE a~O!ENCS" 'V~Rv ~;USUAL WIND C0~DITIONS
RIQHT OFF THE BLUFF. IT CO~TD IMPACT LANDIi~GS TO THE SO~H AS FAR
DAVE
FROM
DAVE
FROM
DAVE
JOHN
ERIC
JOHN
AS AIRSPEED IS CO?.~CERNL'D A}~D THE ?0SSiEILiTY CF OVER-RUNNING THE
RUNWAY ......... IF YOU TOOK INTO CO?;SIDERATi?T THE HEIGHT OF THE
RUNWAY ..................... I DON'T KNOW IP THAT PARTICULAR SITU-
ATiON WAS CONSIDE~D. IT'S A VERY LOCAL CONSIDERATION.
SPO~...IT WAS. O.K., WE HAVE A COU2LE C? LOCAL EXPERTS HERE TO
ADDRESS THAT. BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY FLY ACROSS THE TCWI,~ BANK,
LANDING SOUTH.
THE AUDIENCE...FROM WHERE?
SPO~E~... ORIENT.
THE AUDIENCE...THERE,S NO BLUFF
SPOP2~_I...YES, THERE IS.
DUELL...THERE SURE IS. I HAVE TO PUT THAT AIRFLAZE RIGHT ON THE
'END. IT'S ABO~ 60 FEET.
BERGMAN...OH, YOU'RE TALKING A GOOD HUNDRED FIFTY. FEET...
DUELL...ALRIGiLT, i'LL GO UP TO YOUR PLACE ON THAT HUNDRED FIFTY
FOOT BLUFF I}~_A FIFTY KNOT WIND AND I'LL SHOOT LA~{DINGS ALL DAY
~F YOU WANT, MR, BERGMAN.
BERGMAN...NO TMO~NK YOU.
BERGMAN...NO THANK YOU
DUELL...A~ YOU QUESTIONING MY ABILITY?
ERIC
MRS.
JOHN
ERIC BERG}lAN...I DIDL~,T QUESTION YOUR ABILITY.
JOHN DUELL...YOU'RE CHALLENGING MY EXPERTISE.
SEVERAL COM?~NTS FROM THE A%~iENCE SIMULTANEOUSLY.
DAVE SPO~D:...I T~UZNK IT SHOb~D BE RECOGNIZED THAT ....
SEVERAL COMMENTS FROM T~E AUDIENCE
DAVE SP01'U~';... ORDER.
JO~ DUEL! .... WATT A MINUTE. I'D LIKE TO ADD2~ES£ THIS.
I HAVE A SIXTEEN
~t~R~ ~n.~ FL.~ OVER THAT FI~ FOOT CLIFF IN
T ~:.T_-~I~ KNOT '~[~TDS AND HAS FORTY HO~S ~YING TIME BY HIMSELF.
L~K~ TO SAY AND ADD TO ~:='~ mw~'~
DAVE SPOPD,~...i WCULD ~'~ ~.~ .............. =,~, JOHN,
~.A~ ~,..~ .... ~ ON ~.m,. THAT'S ~D
THAT F~ST AIRPORTS AND R~WAYS ~: '~' ~'~'~'~ ~'~ .....
TO~CH~O,& POINT. PARTICULARLY IN ~"~ AiR CARRIER AIRPORTS.
~ '~ ~ ~ DOWT~ R~,,WAY. A~
A~ T~ T~U~.DO'.~ POINT IS A THOUSA~ ~v~ THE
.~ARn~R~ 0N THE R(~WAY,
I THI~[ YOU'LL FIND T~ WILL ~E ~ -~ ~ ....
FROM THE A~IENCE .... IF YOU RAVE A 3600 ~0T R~WAY YOU'RE LIMITING YOL~
~NDING CAPABILITI~S~ I U~ERSTAND THAT. THAT IT'S A S~LLER RUNWAY.
DAV~ SP0~...L~IA HAD A QUESTION. I'LL GET BACK TO L~IA~ YOU HAD YOUR
HAND ~.
L~IA TORTORA...YES. I WANTED TO KNOW iF iT'S A LEGAL PRE-REQUiSITE OF
THE TOWN TC ~VE A P~LIC ~AR~,~ ~EFORE YOU PRO~D. AND I ASSL~
YOU'RE LOOKI~G ~OR A HOME RULE u~o~ FROM THE
DAVE SPO~...THAT'S PETER'SD~PART~ MEUT. ~ .
P. POMERANZ...AS FAR AS I KNOW~ THERE'S N0 REQUIREM~T FOR A LEGAL PUBLIC
~AR!,'~. I THINK iT ~-~KES SE~SE TO hAVE A ~.LI~ ~ETING TO GET
AN E~RESSiO~ OF PUBLIC OPIMICN FOR A~D AGAINST IT.
.~U~ SPECIFICALLY~ ~WHAT AR~ YOU GOING TO ASK TM~ TO~ BOAR!
L~!A T~RTORA~, ~ ~
p. POMERANZ...WE'RE GOING TO ASK T~ TO~.~ BOARD FOR, '~'LL M~KE COM~NTS
0~'~ THIS R~.~R~ AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO THE T0~, THE TOWN'S REPJ
RESENTAT!VES AND HOW WE THI~ T~ o~Z~ f SHOULD PROCEED AND
THEY SHOUL~ DO. I'M SA~NG THAT I ~=~.I.~'~ ~-~nA~ THE NEXT STEP SHOED
BE SOME KIUD OF RULING W~RE ALL T~ VA.~C~ ~L~ .... To, THE TECHNICAI
' Fm,~N INTO ACCOUNT UP TO THiS : ~=:.T SO TRAT A D~CISION
CAN B~ ~Y THE .,0 .... ~0 ~0R,';ARD WITH
,~ADm TC~'fN BOARD t'fHETHER 0R ~' ~
L%~!A T0~TORA.... ...............
F. 7CMERANZ. .T,,~'~ ,~.A~ W~ WO~D
.....~ ~ ..... 5UT IT'S UP ~ THE TCWT; BOARD
~.,~T..~R 0R ,,~ TO TAKE OUR
L~IA TORTORA
DAVE SPOIl. .~AUL CMl .... o~R ~,,~. OR, UENRY, ANSP~R THAT.
i~NRY YOLk[9... ~Y, xo,,~!, A PUBLIC ~R~: = lo~D - ~LD AFTER
DOCUmeNTATION iS CCHPLETED SO THAT THE ~mb~RAL PUBLIC H,,o
B~IEFIT OF ~ ~ ~w '
~HE ~L ,'~ALT~: OF INFCR~TION THAT'S BEEN PRODUCED
IN THE UO~SE OF THE STUDY. T~ICALLY, THaN ~S, YOU WOIr~D
TO HAVE A PUgLIC 5~ARING '~TH F~L A~IOb~CEMENTS, ADVERT ........... T~,
BOTH ~DIO ~ND ~WSPAPERS, A COURT S .... O~RAPH~R IN ATTENDA~'!CE AT
THE ~D OF THE .R~S.
L~IA TORTORA ...................
HENRY YOUNG... :.{.~ WOULD BE TH~ RESPONSiBiLITY OF Th~ SPONSORING
IN. T~zS ~,~o~ ..H~ TOWN.
FRANK B~AR ..... ~= .,=L ..........
HENRY YOL~;3...~=°~, ~V~AT~S~. A REQUI~E~.~MT .~,D~'" IT'S PART OF~ THE PRO3RAM OF
STUDY FOR THAIS PARTICULAR JOB.
P. PO~HANZ...THAT WO~D BE COMING OUT OF T~ ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESS
~0~ ........ ~JT
.......... 9~Qu~Hm~ .
DAVE SPOH~'... PAUL?
WHEN z,'~ t'ffLL NOT ~]0 A~Y FURTHER ON THIS STUDY BECAUSE ¥~
~L IT
c.m A WASTE 0F ACC~[ULATING A LOT OF a,IOWL~DGm THAT .L,~LD NOT
BE U~D.~r~r AT "JHA~' ~ '-~0=,~z~"-~ ARE YOU ASKING ~""~ TO%~[ BOARD T0 ~I,~ UCU
THAT
PAUL PUCKLI...I? WILL ::a "~ ~ ~ ~ '~ ~v ~ , , .... o
...... ;:,.:I~ ~v~ TO THE TCWY ~OA2D.
PA~ STOUTEUBURDH.. .A~D ~'~:_,~ DECISION WILL ~ ~ ',~._~TH~R~;~' ~ :OR NOT THEY WOL~D
~'~ YIN .
A~ .... THAT
o~, iS THAT W~T YOU'RE SA
IF l~ SHOULD..
PA~ STOUTENBURGH... I~M ASKING TR~ 2E,~S0~ WHO .........
DAVE SPO~...THAT~S PETER PO~RANZ.
B~ ..... iT WAS ~0~ Wa0 SAID TH~R~ .~
PAUL ST0b~ENBURCH...0.K. PETER, I u-~r'~ - "
BE , WOULD HAVE T0 BE A COMMITTi~NT BY THE T0~z~ BOARD BEF0~ YOU
~NT ANY FURT.~R. I WANT T0 KNOW YHEN ~:~AT Ti~ W0~D BE.
P. PO~RANZ...I WOUULD ~PEEN T0, I WOb%D AGR~u WITH PAUL, HE~. I THINK
IT'S IN T~ ~XT S~ERAL WEEKS ~E NEXT FEW MONTHS. LET'S L~Af-
IT THAT WAY BE~A~o~ THERE'LL BE S0kE DELAYS IN TERMS 0F GETTING
COMMENTS T0 PAUL AND HIS TI~ =, RA,.~u.,,~'~ TERMS 0F r'.NCL~IN~' ~ THAT
~TERIAL IN REVISING TH~ REPORTS.
QUESTION FR~,, ~,:~ Ab~IENCE...
PA~ PUCKLi...Y~o, M~'M.
PA~= STC~ENBURGH...S0 iT W0~D ~'~=~ :SE
~..~,, ;, CiTE PUbLiC HEARING ....
~ ~ ..... T.A~, RIGHT.
P. P0~R.~L .... T~'ERE WILL BE A Pb~LIC '..'~
PA~ STOUTENB~ROH...THAT T~ T0~ BOARD WOULD GET THE INP~ AND FROM
THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO ~ A DECISION.
P. PO~RANZ...THEY LAK~ A DECISION W;~u~o 0R NOT TO GO ~RWA~ BECAUSE
v .,~L~, IT A.~S SENSE T0 G0 FORWARD
IF ~RE IS T0 BE AN AIRPORT, "~ ~ M
WIT~ T:iE oT.:D .... T IF~THERE ¢S NOT, Y0H
~ ~¢~,,* AS %~LL PACK UP
AND .,0 H0:',~. -
~ ~'~ ~' ,,H= ~ THAT TIME WAS, AND
PA~ ~TOU ...... ~UR=I .... I JUST WANTED TO FIUD 2UT "
I HA:fEY~V v~
~.~ARD IT BEING A mu~'
P. ?OMERANZ... ,0, .... R~ ~ NO LEGAL R~ ......... ~,~ FO~ THAT. IT S~ko ~, US
.... u TO ....
~..~j,~ A LOT OF
E9!3 ~.~f~v~" ~:C U0U HAVE T0 BE ~ v~ -. -
........... ~ _.;Tt~ A SITE BEFORE YOU
FURTHER?
.0~':~.RA:,Z...U0, AS A MATTER OF
?AZT WE ';CULD SUGGEST THAT OF THE FOUR
n:~' ~lP".T DECISIO}I ~'~ MADE AT ~' ~ =~. ....
SIT,o, ~o ~. ~HI~ POINT I?; TI[~ UNTIL ~
PL~L2~ EEETINS. SO, ALL ~AMIFiCATEONS CAN BE v~°E' ~
~CARD AND T2~ BOARD HAS ~' :~ ,L.,XI-,~,_ TO D~C~D~ WHICH ONE OF
THOSE ~TmTe 5'2 '
o~.~ TO CHOOSE AND ~?HICH O~ WILL BE B~ST, IN THE BEST
T ,~c- ~ OF THE ~-~. %'~ GO FORWARD.
~L~R~ TOWN A~ WHY. AND
ERIC ~ ~'~ '
B~R~-m~, ......... A LOT OF IN~UT I~.T~,~ THAT ......... AND YOU SAY
~ ~ ~ ~ ~.~ H0~O?~ER'° TOO CLOSE,. OR .H$~Y,
~Y, YOU CAN"T DO THiS B~CAU~
~YBE NOT 0N THAT SITE B~ LET'S G0 AHEAD ~[D DO IT ON THIS SITE
~ECAUSE ................. SAY C.K.
P. ~0~RANZ...T~T'S RI=H.. THAT'S ~hY WE DON~T THINK ~'~ SHOED HAVE
~ BEYOND THIS POINT SO TP~T YOU CAN. MAKE THAT KIND 0F
DEC I SI O~T.
C0~,~ENT FROM TH=
P. PO~RANZ...T~AT'S RIGHT.
DAVE SPOHN. .O.a. NOW PEOPLE ~AV~ B~¢ VERY PATIeNt JOHN?
JOHN SP0~...I'D LIKE TO MAKE SEVERAL COM~]TS ABO~ ~'~AT'S BE~ SAID
UP ~TIL THIS POINT. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LI[E TO POINT O~ ~AT
F~NY PEOPLE HAVE AL~DY CHOSEN TO LEAVE TODAY. NOW, THIS IS AN
OPPORTUHITY FOR mHE~ T0 ~ zr ~'~
~ ,, ~.~_~ INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THIS
...... C~O~ L~la. THIS HAS HA.'PSNED BgFORE ~D SO
ISSUE BUT ~w~v ~: ~ TO ~ ~= -"
I DON'T R~O.,N~ C~ ...... ~S OF LACK OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
~R~'~D~ HAS COMMITTMENTS. THAT'S TRUE]' THAT'S TRUE.
YOU KNOW, :n'~ ~,~. ~
T'D ALSO ~.~ ~0 P01ET OUT THAT I, WHILE I FEEL oT .... ,~LY ABOLT
~:~ ~ ~v .... ~ ~ '~EE PERSONAL ,~NI,,OoI, ~ TOWARDS ~'
THE ~U ...... T, ~ DO .,0~ ~ L ANY .. -. o ~,~
P~Cr~a .~in0 ~:~ ON THE OTHER ~ID~ OF THE F~N~. THIS IS SO~THING
WE'RE ~ ~'~ ''~'' ~- '~ '
.ALLI~,= ~,a0~.~ AN ISSUE, NOT i~ AND YOU, !~ CAN ~qORi~ OUT
OUR D~.~ ~R~3C.~S -. AS T~Y ~OI~T=D OoT, T~RE~S NO INTENTION TO
C ...... ', LA~D 0R A?~HING TO T~T EFFECT, THERE IS NOTHING GOING
TO BE SHOVED DO?~ AN~ODY'S THROAT. ~ ARE INVESTIGATING ALTERN-
ATIVES AT THIS POINT. AN AIRPORT IS,. IN SOILS~,~.~o,~'~ A 'J~S~ITY.~C~
TRANSPORTATION IS A NECESSITY. AIR~0~T3 ~R~ PART ~ TRANSPORT~TIOM.
SOM~IM~o, PARTS OF THE THINGS THAT TOW~IS ~VE TO HAVE AS N~C~S~-
ITIES, ARE NOT N~CsS~ARILY WANTED ~Y EVER~0DY. IF WE DID"
HAVE A LANDFILL RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THIi~K YOU COULD GET A MAJORITY
OF T~ ~ ~ ~
PmO. L= IN TOWN T0 VOTE FOR ONE. BUT, WE NEED 0NE~ ¥~VE GOT
ONE. THERE'S A FAL~CY THAT ~YI~G IS ~R RICH PEOPLE. I DISPUTE
THAT, O.K.? YOU CAN BUY A USED AIRPLAne, A CESSNA 150, ~ADY T0
G0 FOR FIVE, SIX THOUS;~D DOLLARS. HOW MANY NEW CARS CA~ YOU
FOR THAT? WHAT'S THE COST 0F A BOAT? HOW MANY BOATS CAN YOU GET
FOR ~:DER '~EN THOUSA~ DOLLARS? RIGHT? O.K. TH~ FACT THAT IT IS
PURPORTED BY PEOPLE WHO OPPCSE THIS THAT MANY, TP~T VERY ~W, A FEW
RICH PEOPLE ARE GOING TO~u~v~r~,~. ~*, ~' FEW RICH PEOP~ OF ORI~T.
AND WE ~NE TAPES THAT SAY T~T. I ~,~AM THAT KIND OF, SORT OF POINT[
AT YOU, PERSO~ALLY, DAD. BUT T~T'S NOT ~E CASE. ~R. PUCKLI
~T OUT AMD DID A SURVEY AND ~"~ ~,
~,D~D WHATn~ FO~ IS THAT ~ERE
IS A SIG~IFICANT BENEFIT TO THE T0~ FRoM AN A~RPORT~ IN T~ COM-
~,~. ~Y PEOPLE ~Y NOT BENEFIT DIRECTLY. THAT I~
SAY BY USI~ THE AIRPORT. BD~ T~EY CAN BENEFIT INDIRECTLY BY
NOMIC BENEFITS TO THE TO~ AS A WHOLE. iT'S ALSO ~EEN PROPOSED
~ "~ .L~R~ ~ MOT ~0I:~. TO BE ANYONE AROU~
T~T ~N IF YOU DO BUILD IT, ~ ~'~ ~
~TO USE' IT ~'~'~ v~,' ?~ '" '~ ~ ~'~ ~ ~OW. THAT'S ~'~CT
~.~u~ _~U DON'T S~ Ai,~ AIR, 0R~ .i~R~ "
TR~, THAT'S ...... =:~'~' I~UVESTIGATED AND IT'S ~EE~[ ESTABLISH~' ~ .,A. m~ ~ IN-
DEED THERE IS ~IOU.~H POTENTIAL HSE T0 ouPgOnT THE AIRPORT~u0,,O..~ ~' ~'-
ICALLY, ETC. ~O.L.~ SAY, WHY DO~'T YOU GO TO %'~STHAMPTON? '~LL,
~,~.. I~ T,.AT A, AIRPORT IS A PLACE TO LAD~CH PLAJ~o.
A BOAT RM?P iS A PLACE TO LAL~CH BOATS...MOW, T}~ TOWN BUILDS
BOAT RA~PS IN DIFFERENT PLACES AROU~[D TOWN. NOT EVERYO~ BENEFITS
FROM THEM. SO~'~ PEOPLE D0. THm~ SP~R LOTS OF MONEY. BOUGHT ONE
II~ ORIENT, WHAT?..TWO ACRES? ~7~,0007 ?TOT EVEN T%~O ACR:~S? BUT
EVERYBODY' S UP IN AR!~..*S ABOUT ~87,000 FOR 1[~1 ACRES. O.K. I SAY,
IF YOU WANT ME TO GO TO WESTHAMPTOBI TO FLY MY PLA~E, I SAY, YOU
GO TO '~fESTHAMPTON TO LAUNCH YOUR BOAT. NOW, THID~GS LiKE SAFETY,
REAMS OF REPORTS, REAMS, SCIENTIFIC REPORTS THAT SAY THAT AIR-
PORTS DO NOT POSE A THREAT TO T~ PEOPLE. SAM~ THIi~G WITH NOISE.
THEY'VE DONE STUDIES. THEY SAY T~AT NO SIGNIFICANT ~OISE-.VENTS
OUT OF THE AIRPORT AREA, BUT PEOPLE, ON THEIR OWN CHOOSE NOT TO
BELIEVE THAT. BUT, THAT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. ~'RE CHARGED
WITH GOING OUT, FINDING T:-IE~ FACTS AND REPORTING THEM. PERCEPT-
IONS ARE MOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. WHICH BRINGS ~v~ TO THE POINT,
NOW THIS IS THE NLT4BER THAT FRANK BEAR POII~TED OLWf, THAT THIS IS
A SOCIAL ISSL~. THAT'S A~: EMOTIONAL ISSL~ AS OPPOSED TO A FACTUAL
ONE. DO YOU NIKE IT, DO.YOU WANT IT, VERSUS DOES IT MAKE SENSE?
THE ST'JDY IS TO ESTABLiSh! WHETHER OR NOT IT M~iES SENSE, NOT TO
ESTABLISH '~'fHETHER CR NOT YOU LIKE IT OR WANT IT. THAT'S ;~HAT THE
PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE FOR AMD THEY JUST HAVE NOT HAPPENED YET. 'WE'RE
NOT PULLING A FAST ONE.
BEEN WRITTE~I CUT BY LA%~.
TI~ TH~ o A ~ .....
WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURE AS IT'S
WE'RE FOLLOWI_~G TNB RULES. BUT EVERY-
· ~R_~OD~ FIGURES THAT'S IT..IF TF~Y
DON'T GO I~ AI'~D CAUo~ l,~ BIGGEST COMMOTION POSSIBLE T.~A. THE
· " ~," ~ ~.,'v~ ~R~ ~'~ HAVE,
AIRPORT IS ~,OIN~ T0 BE RA ...... RIGHT TfIROUGH. NOT ~ ~.
AT EVERv T~.r~, OVER ~'~ '~ ~' .
.. ~ ....LAo~ o~X 'FEARS, A~D THIS I{AS BEEN FUNDED
~ ~' .... ~"'"? ' ' ~' ~,~RY LAST
P~I~RILY OUT 'OF CUR ~OV~I ~u~,~T, WE ~[AI~ FOLLOWED
CURLCL~ °~ :v T~,E '
~ OUT LAW. ~'~ ~ TO ,~ z~,~ ,,,~ PROV~nE
RE~'ORTS, .:~ ,.A~m 0~,, PUBLIC ~.,~m~I~..,o OF TH~ AVI~._O,
~.~.~., OUR...~.,~ ~"~"~, ~..~R ~.., m'~.,~ P,,.~R S~.,~' ,~' YOu zl~T iN-
~ ~ "~ WE'LL SiiO?/ YOU, ~IE'LL TALK TO YOU, '~'LL
FORf.~ATI0~I? ~AL~
EVmN TAKE YOU UP FOR A ~IEHT. AND V~ GET NO RESPONSE, NONE.
.... ~}:Io PiEC' 07 LATTD ~e FOR
YOu WANT ~ TALK ABOUT LAND ' ..... ~' ~' ~ ' ~
,~ - ~ .~ ~ .... ~ ~: · v~ THAT CAN HAPPEN, ALPI'g5~?
S,~. THERE AR~ A ht~,BzR oF ~-~.ATIT~
ONE iS, ~ ~ ~"~ ~'~ ' ' ~
¢.~ CAN SIMPLY ':= o.~ ~ A DEV~LOPER, 0.k.; .,mmJ CHANCES
.......... , ...... ~ ON IT. EITHER TWO
~ = ;~= ,.At.=~ A CLUSTSR PROPOSAL, T~RE'S
A~ ZONING ~RE OR M~YBE ~-;~ *~,
~F. NY DIFFER~JT WAYS TO~,*° =_r t'fITHIi'T THE RULES. MOST PEOPLE A.~R~
THaT THEY WANT TO [~.~,TA~_, THAT AS OPeN SrA~m. S0 WE ASSU~
THaT HOUSES ARE AS ~ESIREABLE, AN ~IDESIREABLE THING. TH~'S
FOUR REAL iSSUE ABOUT ~'~ "~'~
...... ,... CAN D0 WITH THIS L;J~D, W~T
~OI:.,., T0 COST ~ ~ ~' qUCH GOING
IT ~ ~'~ ~,.E =~. ,, .... ~ . COi~TROL ARE T~Y
~VE OVeR IT, IS IT '=0t~ ,~ OPEN SPACE OR NOT, AND IS r~ A
GOOD, ~="~r~CTIV~ USE 0F ~.r= .... Lf.,.D.~' ~IOW TFERE'S TUREE ALTERNATIVES:
YOU CAN SELL IT T0 A DEVELOPER, YO5 CAN PUT A~ AIRPORT 0N I? 0R
PO~c,~-L_._ YOU CAN PUT~_~ _..~'~ ~ .... .=~w~t...,.,~,~,-~'n PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
NO,;, ~,~J~Y. IT'S 1~i AuR~o, i'iiND YOU. .YOU PUT AN AIRPORT ON IT
AND-~T COSTS TH~ T0h~ wc~, ~'. J0~; FOR 1~1 ACE~S,~ THAT'S OH,AP,
BUT IF THEY SELL IT TO A DEV2%0PE~ IT DOESN'T COST THE TO~ A
CENT. ¥~AT IF YOU PUT iT IN FAR~AND PRESERVATION? l~LL, YOU
~v ~ ~ ~IV~...~ MChSY THE DEVELOPER, NOT'T~
Thq ~V~LOP~IT RIGHTS ~Y ~ ~'~ T0
PEOPLE %,K~O FARM IT, TO 2~ ~7~LOIER. AT ~'~ TUNE 0F, WELL,
DEVELOP~'~NT RI~HTS UOW '~O FOR WHAT ,~lC.CO0 AN ACRE CR SO?
DAVE SP0~I...NO, THEY'RE "C~ ?r ~' ·
' ,J~ ,.~.A~ HIGH, JO~T
.~0,¢ HIGH ~ ~
JOiUI SPOHqf.. -r ,. ARE ..... Y.
..~_ R~ OJ~.,. AT ~JE .nLK~.-~ STAGE, THEY'RE ,~LZ AT FIVE
DAVE SPOHU.. m,'~v, m '.~ ','' ~,~ ~ ~,T~ ....
A~R.. WE ' RE
P~..,_.R~s ~'c~,, A]~ ' ~ v
'"~ ....... ,~ ~v~OP~Ro. NOW, CONTROL:
r~'~.~'~. ,,., AIRPORT O~T ~_., -~.~ ~',,:,~ TH~ LAND, TOTAL CONTROL.
AT~u..~'/~ POINT DOWel THE ROAD, THEY SAY, OH MY GOD, ~ DON'T WANT
T..-o. YOU ~[AVE COJ~R~, ~A.~ iT OUT. YOU'' GOT CONTRCL.
A~D IF YOU SELL TT TO A ~?~
...... ~ ~R - NO CONTROL, FARMLA~D PRES-
ERVATION? ~LL, YO~ ~ ~ ~ ~
T~',AT
IS NOT ~ ~
=0~= TO DEVELOP IT. BL~ A3 FAR AS DIRECT CONTROL
THE LAND, NO~. OPE}~ o.f~. iF YOU PUT AN AIRPORT ON IT, YOU
O~Y COVER 20% OF THE LAND. SO 80% OF THA~ 141 ACRES IS GOi~G
TO BE OPEN. OPEN. ALRIGIiT? SO IF THERE'S A DEVELOPER $~AT
~PP~S? NO. FARMLAND P~SERVATION? ~S, IT WIEL~BE~DEEN. OR
YOUR PROMISE .......
T~ C~A~
JOHN SPO~. .CONTIz, UzD ..... ~0~ A 2bibs =O~S INTO THE ~RO~D WATER.
MANY PEOPLE PROP~Sm THAT FOR SO~ REASON TP~T THE AVIATION ASSOC-
IATIO~, ~ER THE TAB~, IS ACTUALLY JU.~ ~ ~ ~ IT'S
'~ ~T~NG FOOT
THE DOOR. BUT ~L%T ~=v R~.LLY WANT, IS SC~THIN~ LIKE ISLIP.
WRONG. THE FACILITY T~IAT iS EEI~T9 PROPOSED IS E~CTLY ~T
N.F.A.A.. WANTS ~A~'~Y DO NOT WANT A LARGER FACILITY. WE A~I'T
ASKING FOR ONE. IF THAT'S WHAT ~ WA~TED, T~T'S WHAT ~'D ASK
FOR. THE E ~ ~ ~ . '
L~CTR~ LIN~S...ANY OVER'AD ELECTRIC LINES CAN~BE
~LOCATED OR BURIED. NO INCREASED DANGER TO THE P~LIC, NO DE-
CREASE IN R~I.~ SERVZCE OR ANtHillS LIKE THAT. WE,
THRO,~HOUz, A~AI~ ~ YEARS, WE HAVE GO~ WELL OUT OF DUR WAY AT
OUR O'~~ArEM~°~ TO SAY ~m'~ ARE "~LLING~'TO~ ~YORK WITH~:A~0DY,~ -~ECCEPT
YO~ CO~.~.~, D0 ~v~
~R~i,~,,~. ADDRESS EVERM LAST LITTLE QUESTION
THAT'S RAICZD A..~ ';~'~ :~ECESSARY, '~
· ~ ~ ~ ~'S .......... NECESSARY.
IF FOR S~.~ R~o ~"'' ~ ....
~':~,~n~o: A DIFFERENT o=~ THE~ IT'S LIKELY
THET MR.~L~..~:~ ~ ~W ',~,~',,~,~- :~OT ~E' ..~..~,~w~ B~ IT ~S ~IE~_' '~v v THAT SO~'~BODY
ELSE WOULD .... ~ ...... R: ~ ~'UT IT IS ~,O.~'~ TO EFFECT SC~BODY. THEY
RATED ALL OF ~ ~
~L~o~o A,D THE ONE TF~T CAI.~ OUT BEST, AS FAR
AS TH~ RATI~G PROCESS IS CONCERNED, IS SITE FIVE. S0 FAR. B~
LOOK
AT ALTERNATIVES. THEY GO ~ACK A~TD CHANGE THE SITE. ~"'~-~-.~'~ rilE_ _
WHOLE PURPOSE OF T-~ ........... r'D LIKE TO ~A
ON YOU ~TIONED BIRDS. ifOW, ~"~
~oJ~ IT TRUE THAT AT A N~iBER OF
AIRPORTS ARO~ID THE C0DX~TRY, AT A M~tJORITY OF AIRPORTS AROD~;D THE
COUNTRY, INCL~ING ..... ~ OF ~ ~ .~'~ -
ou~ ~L~ LAB.,~ST IN THE CO~TRY, THAT THE
WILDLIFE IN THE AREA ~"~
~a.~ ~- AIRPORT VERY PEACEF~LY CO-EXIST.
IS THAT TRUE?
DAVE SPO~... THAT ' S TRUE.
JOHN SPO~...ATLA~'~A, ISN'T THAT n"~,~ 0F Tn~,~?
DAVE SPO~...ATLANTA? I'' ~'~ ~" ~ ~
~- ~. ~oR~ A~L~.~A IS ONE 0F THEM. BUT J.F.K.
IS A VERY GOOD WIL~LI~ AR~j'$OSTON ....
~XCUS~ .'~ ~ ~ ~=~ ~ CARTOON TO-
JOHN SPOHN. .ALSO, ~ ~ '~
.... , ~A~ nPPL~ KI~
DAY I~ THE S~FOLK TI~,~. ~ o IMPLLq~{G THAT FOR SOM~ ~ASON
n~ OF SC~E L~,D,
IF YOU M~KE AN AIRPC,~ ~
DAVE
CLLSE THE BIRDS. FALSE.
ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
~PO~...THANK YOU, JOHN.
· ~='~m ~0~ FACTS
YOUR COMMENTS AP~ '.'~LL RECEIVED.
TH-qT THAT'S GOING TO EX-
TO SHOW OTHERWISE. THAT'S
ERIC B~R.~,,AN...TKERE~S ONLY ONto FALSEHOOD TH~R~_. IT'S NOT 141 ACRES
FOR oAL~, IT'S . 0,,~ ~'~=~ -'~
.... ~ ~o MINE ...................
DAVE SPOH~,~...~LL, JUST A ~I.Io~, i~LL~,~'~ YOU ~l'nE B~DO~. ~ SAID
THE PIaum WAS THAT ~. =~ ~¢~ ~,- IT WAS FOR SALE. IT'S 86
AND .60 AND ~. y~,~,rr w' ,1 T,, ....UP.
_ . ~ -~ -}~,~ TO ADD '
,-~LL, WHAT~VEB IT =~, ~ ~ ~,;~ ACUTE IN THE MIDDLE ........
ERS. =:~ ~''~ ~ ...... " -~ "~ ~R~ ':~T !'rE.
..... 0.~ 0.K. ~.. J~.
YAUL S~ ......... ~R~L.... -.~ OF ~r~.~ C~,D~T~D.~ FOR SiTE SELSCTION IS THAT
TH~ LAND iS AVAILAPLE, IT IS FOR SALE, iS THAT RIGHT? IN OT~R
"' ~ YOU ~0..D~
,,0~ WOULD NOT "'~ ~' =::~ LAND?
DAVE oPOn.~...?~LL, '"~'RE,;~ JUST ~St'CUSL~, .....
· o.~<~o~:'.~o:,~.,:~. ,I JUST HEARD IT o~r~ =' ~'~ ~, O,'~T'~-,~
· ~._~ ~{~ THEY'RE NOT
ANY LAND AND I DIDN'T KMOW. i~T-o~o.~. WANT TO ~.,~EE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
DAVE SPO~'i...'~CELL, I'LL TRY TO PUT IT IN THE BEST WORDS I CAN. I'M NOT
THE PERSON THAT CAN MAICE THAT DETERMiNATiON. BUT THE POSTURE HAS
BEEN THAT ~THE T0'~N UP TO THIS POIIiT, AS FAR AS I KNOW, HAS N~R
CONDEMNED LAND TO TAKE SOMETHING. I CAN BE CORRECTED ON THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S THE POSTURE SO FAR. AND OUR POSTURE, FROM
MY OWN ORGANIZATION WOULD BE NOT TC GO THAT ROUTE EITHER. THAT
WOULD BE UP TO THE TOWN BOARD, B~JT I DON~T THINK THAT'S AN ANSWER.
PAUL STOUTENBURGH... I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRAGMATIC STATEM~YT AND
I WA~TED TO MAKE SURE THAT $1~J.S CLEAR.
DAVE SPOH3~...DOES THAT SOU~D CLEARER?
pAT. iL STOUTE~BURC-H...NOT PARTICULARLY.
DAVE SPOHN. .WELL, HOW COULD I MAKE IT
PAUL STOUTENBURGH...YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE NO CONDEMNATION AND I WANTED
TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD, THAT THAT'S ................
DAVE SPOIR~...MR. LORRIN BIRD H-AS MORE EXPERTISE ON THAT PARTICUL.~R POINT.
PAUL STOUTEI~BURGH...IF YOU HAD THE BEST STOP AND SOMEBODY DIDN'T WANT
TO SELL IT I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOUR GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH IT.
DAVE SPOP2~...I THI~K THAT WOULD BE A STALEYATE, THAT'S IN MY OPINION. IN
~ OPINION IT WOULD BE A STALEMATE U~E~ESS YOU C0~D ADDRESS T~
GRI~ANCE OF THE PERSON INVOLVED, YOUR STUCK.
PAUL STOUT~BURGH...WHAT DOES THE C~{TLEMAN OVER THE~E .......
LORRI-N BIRD...'~gLL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ~ ANSWER'AN EASIER QUESTIO~{. IF
A LAND OWNER DID~{'T WA~:T T0 SELL FOR SO5~ REASON AND THE TOWN DID
NOT WANT T0 CONDEMN, Ti~N IT MIG~ BE POSSIBLE, MIGHT, THAT T~
LA~D W0~DN'T HAVE .T0 BE I~!CL~ED IN T~ AIRPORT. NOW I'M AVOID-
ING ANS~RING YOUR QUESTION WHEN IT'S IN THE MIDDLE. IF IT'S AT
THE EDGE OF THE AIRPORT, IT'S ~OT W'ITH!?,' THE BUILDING RESTRICTIO'N
LI~E, iT'S NOT WITHIN THE L.D.~i. 75 NOISE COb'TOUR, ~JHiCH .THERE
WON'T BE FOR THiS AIRPORT, T~LEN THE PLAN MAY RECO~.'..END BUYING THE
LAND. BUT IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THERE'D BE NO REASON TO BUY IT. i'M
NOT SURE !fHY THE BOUNDARIES WERE LAID OUT THE WAY THEY WERE ON
THE MAP. BUT THE TOWN, I'~HEN T~iEY SIGN THE THE A.L.P., THE A.L.?.
RECO~.~ENDS THAT THE LAND BE ACQUIRED. IF THE TOWN CAN JUSTIFY
NOT ACQUIRING IT AS PART OF THE AIRPORT ACQUISITION AND IF THEY
CAN JUSTIFY IT TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE STATE AND THE F.A.A.,
BECAUSE WE LIKE TO BE SATISFIED BEFORE ',rE PUT OUR MONEY DOWN.
THEM, TiLE LAND DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ACQUIRED, BY THE TOWN. IF THE
LAND iS RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RUNWAY, Th~ WAY THE
F.A.k. AND THE STATE OPERATE IS, BEFOR~ WE GIVE YOU MONEY FOR THE
RU.~'U~Y, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE LAND. NOW THE RUI~WAY CONSTRUCTION
CA~;'T START AND THEN IT E£CO~S THE TO'~7;'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR
ALL T!~ PARCELS. BUT IF THERE'S A PARCEL RIGHT IN THE ~MIDDLE, AND
THE LAND OWNER DOES NOT WANT TO SELL, AND THE TOWN DOES NOT WANT
TO CONDEMN, THEN THAT'S THE END OF THINGS MORE OR LESS, I GUESS.
DAVE SPO}~!...JOHN, DQ YOU WANT TO CO~.~ENT?
JOHN SPOHN...?ES. I PERSONALLY, VERY STRONGLY SUPPORT THE SELECTION OF
A SUIT7~BLE SITE AND THE CCNSTRUCTION OF A FACILITY OF THIS TYPE,
I h~OULD STRONGLY OPPOSE CONDEMNATION OF LAND TO C6NSTRUCT THIS
SITE. THAT IS FORCL'!G IT DOWN SOMEBCDY'S THROAT. THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. I WOULD STR0~:GLY OP.~'OSE THAT ...............
DAVE SPOiE~...i CAi~'T SPEAK FOR MY ORJANIZATION, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK A~!D
TALK TO TTiEM AB0!~ TI{AT. BUT MY PERSONAL VIEW COINCIDES WITH MY
SON'S.
Qb~STION FROM TI~E AbqDIEHCE .... WOULD AMY CF THESE SITES REQUIRE REQUESTING
OWNERS TO SELL? OR ARE THEY ALL UP FOR SALE?
DAVE SPODP[...OH, '~ '"" ~Ol~.[ TI{AT PART. THAT'S OUR LiG
~=LL, ,~ HAVEN'T ~ ~ TO
PROBLEM TODAY.
QUESTION FROM SA~ G~TLE~%~N...FOR E~&MPLE~ ~-T~ 3IVE, THE 0N~ THAT YOU
NEED T0 .....
PAUL PUCKLI. .W~LL, WE NEED T0 SP~K TO ALL Tn~ OWNERS. WE HAVE NOT
TALY~D TO ALL THE OWNERS.
SA~ GENT~N. .SO IT'S NOT ALL UP FOR SALE.
PA~ PUCKLI,..WE DON~T KNOW THAT.
DAVE SPOttN...~UT T~ SITE ITSELF, SITE FIVE, ALL THE L~D EXCEPT THE
~.Io POI~, IS FOR SALE.
AC~ OF MR. BERG~'~N~S, AT ~
SA~ GENTLEM~N. .THAT'S WHAT I M~NT, .~K YOU.
DAVE SPOHN...5qS. BUT YOU KNOW THERE'S ONE ACRE THAT'S NOT FOR SALE AND
Ti~T 0~, BECAUSE IT B~LOL~o TO MR. B~R,~_~N, WHO ~S EXPRESSED
HIS VIEWS.
~T . -- ,,o .~ THE
QU~= I0N FROH T~ A~IENCE...>;aAT =~0U~ SEC01'iD, N~ER T~D .PART, IS
THAT ALL AVAILABLE? WOULD THAT .........
DAVE SPO~{...~ DON'T KNOW BECAUSE ~ HAVEN'T APPROAG~D A~ODy.
APPROACi~D NUMBER FIV~ SIMPLY TO GET A BALL PARK FIGURE OF L~D
VALUES AND =~OR=~ WETMO~, WHO I$ DOING OUR WORK~ FOR US,'-ALONG
THOSE LINES, IIE'S DOING IT FOR OUR ORGANIZATION AT NO FEE. I~'S
APPROACHIHG T,~ O%~ERS TO FIND OUT ~: FOR SALE ~D B: HOW MUC}!.
~' ~= ~:~-~ iS ~R~ THERE'Si BEEN ~0 MONEY SPENT
SO A=~L., ~.~ A SITUATION ~ ~ ~
BY THE TOWN UP TO THIS POINT OVER SIX ~"~=.~Ro. ~
QUESTION, SA~ .... Tu~,.~ 3...~iOW ABOUT SIX? YOJ i-~%'EN'T EVEN INQUIRED..
DAVE SPOP~...NO, ~="~'~
~.~A~ ,~ TRUE. WE HAVEN'T AN~ODY. UE APPROACHED,
~S CALLED ~;~.7 ~OP~. ON I SAY T~ LAST FOUR SITES. THE LAST
TIME i TALK~u TO HIM, THE ONLY ONE }~ ~.~ARD FRO,.. WAS SITE FIVE,
SO THEREFORE WE K%~EW, OR HAD A BALL PARK FIGURE FOR SITE FIVE.
BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE OTtIER PEOPLE YET. ~D T~T'S BEING
DO~'~ ~'~' A REALTOR, NOT .,m.
~t~ ~' ~ ...... :~ PERSON OWNS ON
Q~STIO~, ~ROM T~E AZ~IENCE...DOES THE ?ROFERTY THAT ~:'~
.... ,;A. THE BLUFFS?
SITE FIVE, TI~T YOU CC~D BUY, Q0 ALL ~u~ ,.' v TO
DAVE SP0~...~S.
SA~ LADY FROM AUDI~CE...THAT'S T~ SA~ ONE 0W~R?
DAVE SPO~!...~S. ACTUALLY IT'S NOT A O~ O'~SR, IT'S A INCORPORATION.
~RL~, I THI~ I'VE GOT IT RIGHT THIS TI~.iE. IT'S MARLAKE INC
ONE 0F THE O~ERS I BELIEVE, LIVES IN ONTARIO, CANADA ~D TWO
OT~ G~TL~EN. O.K., JOHN.
JO~ SPOitN...ISN'T IT TRUE, ~AT BECAUSE 0F THE PHYSICAL DI~NSIONS OF
THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, T~T WITHOUT ACTUALLY ACQUIRING ANY OT~N
PARCELS, THAT ~ COULD NOT EXPAND THE AIRPORT BEYOND THIS PRO-
POSED oI~?
DAVE SPOt...T~T'S SOMETHING WE ALMOST GOT T0 IN THE SLIDE PRESENTATION,
B~ I DIDN'T QUITE GET T0 IT.
JO~ SPOHN...BUT THE POINT IS, IT'S NCT A MATTER OF THE DISCRETION OF
A~ODY, THEY CA~;0T.
DAVE SPOt...CANNOT. THE~'S NO P~SICAL WAY TO DO IT. IN OT~R WORD2,
YOU CAN'T EXTEND THE SOlD BLUFF OR GO 0~ OVER THE WATER IN THAT
DIRECTION. YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T MOVE ROUTE ~8 '~ICH IS A DUAL LiNE
HIGHUAY, SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTE LIMIT IS THERE, POW. S0 YOU SAY, 0.K.
HOW ABO%~ GOING NORTHEAST-SOUTH'~ST. WELL, THERE 'YOU GET INT0 A
PRO..L~,~ OF NCW ARE YOU GOING TO G~T TH~ L~D. AND IF YOUR TALKING
ABOUT 36C0 ~
.... , WHICH REQUIRES ~OO0, Y0b~ TALKING ABOUT TE~ FARMS
~ ,~ ~ -o~- .,:,~ ~ JUST CL~AJ OUT OF SIGHT. S0, DCES
A ...... XPAd~:.O,,~. THE RUNWAY ALL0I'fS JUST
S0 ~4UCii TRAFFIC. i~J 0,~:~ W0~DS THE RUNWAY THAT IS PLANNED IS
'v -,.Az RT~WAY, 0,,LY CERTAIN T~ES
3600 FEET LON~ A~D T0 P~_ ON OR OFF ~ ~ "
OF PLm;~S DO IT.
JOHN SPOF~T. ,r ~'; ......
DgVT~ SPO~DI...NO ,~ETS.'
JOHN SPOHN...ILLEGAL, IMPOSS!2LE.
DAVE SPOHN...~ELL, IT'S NOT r~ n~ ~,~o aAY.
~..~,~I~. LET'S PUT IT ~'-~ "
~, ~ THI~ THAT THE SYALL BUS. JETS REQUIRE 5000 ~ET FoR THEM
TO BE INSURED. NOW '-~'~ ~'~
Wn~.~ .... SOMEBODY COULD POSSIBLY ~T SOMETHING
T~TtS D~JELOPED TWO ~ARS FMOM NOW, WHICH IS A SUPER QUIET, NEW ~-
NEW VERTICAL T~E-OFF AND LA~ING T~E .... ~ ~L~
JOI~ SPOHN...T~RE ARE NO CURR~,T~" ~=~
DAVE SPOHN... NO. ~ '
INSURANC~
JOHN SP0 ....... MAYBe, PEOPLE ARE ~O~'.CzRJ~D ABOUT THAT..~: BIG NOISE FACTOR .
A~ID THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE AS ~LL-VERSED i~.~-~IA,~0,,~ ~ ~ ~ ~ AS ~ AP~
~ND THEY '"'? ~ ~ ~ ~
D~mD TO U~;D~Ro.A,~D THAT IT'S NOT % ITnI~, TB~ SCOPE 0F THIS
PROJECT TO ACCOMODATE J~TS~ OR EV~,~ ~AVY TWINS.
DAVE SP0h~t...THE WqO~E~ ~ ~CCOMODATIOM IS BELOW TWELVE-FiwE. AND WELL BELOW
THAT WEIGHT LEVEL 0N 3600
F~T. BECAUSE WHS~ YOU GET INT0 T~
'LARGER A~R~RAFT, ~EN YOU TALK ABOUT AIR TAXI O.~RATIONS, wHi~ IS
A BIG PART OF IT, ~'RE NOT JUST TALKING AROUT THE PEOPLE WHO ~EP
THEIR AIR~LAJ=S THERE. THE TRANSPORTATION FLOW 0~ THIS END OF THE
ISLAND AMD FROM CONNECT~C~ AND BACK AND FORTH TO Ti~ SOUTH SHO~,
THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AIR TAXI N=T~OR~. AND PRESE~TLY, ~'RE IN
IT PA~,,_A~L_ WITX THE PRES~!T ~TTITUCK RUNWAY, W~iCH IS 220C F~.
AMD IS LIT~ITED TO DA~IGHT ONLY. A~D ~
ZOU .,~ M~. REEVES
IT GOT DARK A~ID ~ [[AD TO iE.~.VE
........ o0, SINCE THAT'S ~ EIMITED~ ~HAT'f
WHA?~IT~IS, 2200 F~. THE ~: ~ T~L.S REQUIRE o~ ,~, ~
_,:,L.~.i. C ~D TAKE-OFF
......... ~ ..... ~ ..... ~: ,~IR-TAAI 0PERfiTI0'[ T~{ZY HAVE T0
~ .,~.R.o .... AMD D3 ~_.~, A 2ALANCED
L ,.~ NEa}:S .~ n:', AC~LaR,~Tm T0 A SPEED A~
AT TS~T TiME A}~D AT N{AT I,.~_AJT~m ' T~EY CAN EITHER STOP WITH T~
d/
REMAIN±~G R'~.I.~]~ OR rr~ mT'r:--' un ~
TI~Y HAVE ~ '~'~ ~ ~-'. ..... r ..... '~ ....
T~%T WOL~D POSITIVELY ~" ~ '~::? ~ lI.~ THAT CAN OPeR-
ATE IN THERE WITH A PART 13~ OPERATION. I KNOW EVER'~ODY'SR~L~
HANGING IN ~RE, AND I THINK I BETTER SHUT UP ~%ND TAKE QUESTIONS
A~D BEFORE I SHUT UP I'LL SAY ~ TELEPHONE No:_~R IS 32~-3543,
A~ID HO~STLY, I HAVE SLIDES, WILL TRAVEL AND BUCKETS OF INFORmaTION
IF YOU WO~D CARE T0 LOOK AT IT ~D I TRY TO BE AS ~;BIASED AS
POSSIBLE '~EN I'M TALKIiiG ~0~. Ti~ INFORMATION. BECAUSE IT'S MY
RESPONSIBILITY IN MY POSITIOH AS TOWN CONTACT TO DO E~CTLY THAT
AND I'VE PLE~ED TO DO EXACTLY THAT.
MRS. SKABRY.,.IN YOUR SLIDES YOU SHOW AN AIRPORT, AND FIVE YEARS ~TER
HOW iT'S GREW ~ ARO~D IT. WE DON'T WANT GROWTH O~ ~RE. FOR
~ ~ ~OU Rm TALKING GREAT BIG SHOPPING
TH~ IiOST PART, ~JOR GROWTH AND ~ ' '
CENTERS LiKE WE'RE GOINU TO HAVE A
..... n HAVEN MALL BY US AND
W~TEVER. iS THIS WHAT YOU SAID?
DAVE SPO~...N0. THE PURPOSE WAS NOT TO SHOW THAT T_mW= AIRPORT ITSELF
CREATED ==~.~ SHOPPING MA~. THE PURPOSE WAS TO SHOW T~T IN WHE~
THIS LITTLE AIRPORT WAS AND STILL~°~, WHICH -r~,C~'~D~NTALLY, = WHEN iT
' ~ ~-RST~ IS OUT OF BUSINESS, ~'~ " no
~ ~ uL~I~,~ BECAUSE LAND
DEVELOPERS 'r~'~ - ~o ,~
~-~m BOUGHT IT ~MD ARE C~-~IJ~ IT, SO IT WON'T BE
AIRPOHT AFTER THAT. SO THE PEOPLE T~:~ Oca~T THE HOUSES WHICH I
SHO:':ED TOU O~T T~ SLIDE, THEY HAW A C07.:~ANT IN THEIR DEED '"'
SAYS THAT AS LO?P3 Ag THEY LIVE T~RE AND AS LC:'~.D AS T~T AIrPOrT
IS THERE, THEY ~ ...... ~ '. ~
~,., ~ SAY ANYtHiNG A?OUT THE A~R. OR. BECAUSE
I ....~ AIRPORT "' "'
...... · ,~ JUST ADDREZSIII3 ALL THE F~JOR
.~a ..... YOu THINK ~,v ~
~, IN T.R~',S OF R~-..~.S. ~ESID~NTS NEXT T0 AN
AIRPORT, THERE YOU SEE IT. R~SID~IITo NEXT TO A NUCLEAR PLANT, THER
~-~..(~ 1 ....R ~.~ .... ~z.~.~AY, T::.~Rm YOU
YOU SEE :IT, R=~I'~=.~. TO AN.-'~ -~=~? ?-n='" ~
m:~ ~ :~ J~ T0 ~.1~,7 o ..... I.. C..~R, THE~ YOU
S~ !T, R.~D~J.~ ..... ~ A '~ ~,Tr.=,~ ~TG
'~ .'~U CAN .~ ~'EqOLE FLOW AND THAT IS ABOUT
IT .............. A;'~ v~ ' SEE
TWELVE MILES FROM HEM=. IT'S NOT ON THIS SIDE, I R~ALIZ=, BUT
IT'S JUST TO ~hOw YOU TriOS= POINTS. T~T'S I'~AT T~T WAS ABOUT.
IT WAS NOT T0 ,u ,.~ ..... R~ -ALKI,.~ ABOUT
~..0, YOU ~i~T TH~ AIRPORT ~'~' ~ ~ ~'~ IS
GOING TO CREATE THAT .~...D 0F ACTIVITY OR THaT KIND OF SHOPPING
· C~TER, NO WAY.
MRS. S~%BRY...YOU'RE GOING TO ZONE IT INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT?
DAVE SPOHN...'~LL, THE AI..uR. ITS~F BECOmeS AN AIRPORT, AS I UNDER-
STA~ IT, ~ DECREE FROM THE TOWN BOARD ........ BOARD. T~ A~A
ARO~ID IT IS NOT CHIN=~D, IT'S ONLY T~ SITE ITSELF, PERIOD.
PRESENTLY, RIGHT NOW, IN THE ZONING, TO CR~ATm ~ AIRPORT, YOU
~ "~ ' IN
HAVE TO HAVE GENERAL I~Uo. RzAL LAND . TO%~. THERE IS ABOUT
A HUNDRED ACRES OF GENERAL INDUSTRIAL LAND IH SOUTHOLD AND A GOOD
PORTION OF T~T IS THE TOlf~ LAND FiLL PLUS T~T BIG G~EN PIECE
THAT I SHOED YOU NEXT TO IT. SO THAT LEAVES OVER, JUST BALL PA~
NOW, MA~E TWENTY ACRES. SO THERE ISN'T TWEN~ AC~S IN TO'~ THAT
YOU CO~D PUT AN AIRPORT. SO T~{EORETICALLY, T~RE'S NO ZONING
THAT ALLOWS IT, PERIOD. EVb~I THE PRESENT ONES, INCL~ING FIS~RS
ISLAND WHICH HAS BE~I AN AIRPORT
~.~.~ THE MILITARY HAD IT AND
GAVE IT TO T~ TO~I IN 10~9, IT'S STILL SHOWN AS h-l, BUSINESS.
...A, o ],~iAT IT SAYS AND TUAT~S WHAT IT SHOWS.
DON~T ASK ME '~IY, BUT ~
JOHN SPO[~...Tn:~ R~ASON THAT A PR0?OSAL OF THiS SIZE.IS BEING CONSIDERED
NmC~o~ARI~Y T0 TURN ~'LL t~0 ~'~R~S IN,0 AN AIRPORT. IT'S TO
~H~ . ~ ..... CL~AH ZON~S AND BUFFER ZON3S TO INSULAT~
T.~ ~HHO~,DL:.: CO~..*~T~ F~OM ANY O~ T[~ OFF~SIV~ 0R A~ 0~'
TH~ OPERATIONS OF THZ ~RPOHT THAT T~ FIND OF~SI~.TH~ ACTUAL
AIRPORT, T~ ACTUAL ~b~TWA~ WILL PROBABLY TA~ ~ ~AT? ~,~NTY AC~S
THIRTY ACRES?
DAVE SPCiD,.~. ..TI,~NTY AT THE MOST. ~'~TE~I~ .-'~ ~"~,' AT THE TOPS.
J0hq'~ SPOHN...TWENTY PER C~NT, SO ~'~''
· ~.~,~ ~ TWENTY-~IGHT ACRES ......
~-~PORT SAYS ABOUT T~,~NTy PER ~.IT 0F T~ LAND, S0 IT'S NOT GOING
N~C~ARILY BE AS LARGE A FACILITY AS 140 AC~S WOULD LEAD
YOU TO BELIEVE.
DAvE SPO~...THE WHOLE INTENT HERE, IS IF IT CAN BE DONE, T~T THE PER-
IPHERY ARO~D THAT BE FAR~D, WHICH IS DONE AT MA~ AIRPORTS IN
THE CO'TRY. ~'D LI~ T0~ THE PERIPHERY ACRES THAT ~'RE RE-
QUIRED T0 P~VE TO USE AS BUFFERS, BE PUT INTO FARMING. ~D THERE'S
MANY AIRPORT ARO~D THE COD~ITRY THAT DO THAT, AS I SAID. DALLAS-
FORT WORTH IS ONE OF T,~.u.. T~Y i~Vm A LOT OF ACREAGE T~RE. IN-
DIANAPOLIS, INDIANA HAS A LOT OF nCn~AG~.
Q~STION FROM A~iENCE ................ RENT IT O~ AND T~ REVENUES GO
BACK TO TH~ TO~?
DAVE SPO~;...OH, SURE. IT WO~D BE A WAY OF PUTTING S0~ FAR'AND BACK
INTO FARMLAND PRESERVATION IN ANOTHER WAY, PURCHAS~ SO TO SPEAK
WITH AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT AID PROGRAM F~DS. B~ T~ MECHANISMS OF
T~tT i'D HAVE'TO LEAVE TO THE EXP~RTS IT'S JUST AN IDEA THAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT AND ADDRESSING. BECAUSE
.... ~ HAVE SAID IN T~
PA~R, SOMEBODY FROM LOCAL GOVERN~[T ~S'~UOTED AS SAYING THAT
THE'f ?fOULD LIKE TO PUT T[~ AIRPORT COMPLEX IN THE 'MIDDLE OF FARM-
LAND D~VELOPMENT LAND SO ~H~T THERE WAS ~'~m~'
~..zRo ALL ARO~ID ON ALL
~D~o OF IT. THIS REPORT ADDRESSES IT AND S~%YS .,iT~R YOU DECIDE
'~?~:~ *0 ~"~ IT, YOU $[~OULD [~AVE ZONING THAT WOULD PREV~;T EN-
C~" 1-~ ' ~ ''~ '~' ''~ SO THERE--'W "'''~'''~R TOOL TO SAY, O'K., ''~RE~:~' ~'''O WItERE
You'vE D=CID~D TO PUT You~ ~IRPOR', IT'S BIS ENOUGH TO COXTAIN TH~'
XOISE O~l IT'S SITE' NOW, HOW ABOUT PUTTING SO~ zONI~IG LAWS
T~T SAY You CAN'T ENCROACH ON IT AND LATER C~ATE A PROB~M. THIS
WOULD GIV£ ~ ~? A
~0o CHANCE TO ZONE ~,;~-Ta ~,~A~ WCL~D BE OPEN SPACE,
AND USED FOR ,,0~.PATA~ USES
F~¢~ BmAR...I ~:,I*~¢~ V,~ SH0P~D T,~A~.m TI~E ~O~,n_.~o AND DAVE SP0~[ FOR
OIVING US AN OPPORTL~ITY T0 SPE~K, TO LISTEN.
DAVE SPO~I...THA~ YOU FRA~, AND IT'S OUR INTENTION TO GIVE~'YOU ALL
THE i~{FORMATICN. IT'S SIMPLY THAT ~ WERE ~ovr?~__,~ TO WAIT UNTIL
~O=~THmR IN A PACKAGe. I!~ ~ ..... HAVE
WE HAD IT ALL ~ ~ ~ ~ ~LOo~ ~, I ONE LITTLE
STATE~T T0 ~AD, IT'S THE GENE~L BUSINESS LAW, STATE 0F NEW
YO~. IT STATES : "LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS A~D PURPOSE" AND IN PART IT
SAYS"THE CONT!~NG ~
D~LOP~NT A~ THE RAPID GROWTH 0F AIR TRANS-
PORTATION AND THE USE 0F AIRCRA~ FOR VARICUS PURPOSES BOTH COM-
~RCIAL A~ ~RIVATE DURING T~E LAST T .... T~ ~Ro nAS SUBSTANTIALLY
C0h'TRIB~SD TO THE EC0~10MIC BETTERM~IT, ~,~LL-BEillG AND RECREATIO~L
ENJo~NT OF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE.?~' AND
_~:.~ S A FACT OF LAW
R~ ~2=~ ..... 02 .... TWENTY YEAR PERIOD
CURRenTLY I~; EFFECT. AND THEY' '~ ~ ~ -~'~
PRIOR TO 19?0 AND Tn~ GROWTH HAS SLOWED ouk~Wm~T BUT THE B~EFITS
REMAIN E~CTLY THE SAME. I T~NK YOU.
ART 14 GENERAL BU$1N~ LAW § 249
~ of W~
No ~ ~y ~e off f~ or ~d u~ ~ s~ ~ ~ W~
~ T~ ~d ~w~ in ~ ~ of ~ ~ ~e
Ki~ ~ ~ ~ of ~m ~d p~na ~g~ ~ ~ of
W~. ~ wh~ a ~g ~d su~t ~ff ~
un~ ~ ~
A ~ ~ ~ p~ of ~ ~on ~ a
H~RV:
~D~ R~ ~
i. :.l:~dative fln. di~.gs and purpose The continuing development and the
rapid growth ot mr transportatton and the use of ai,-~,-att for various
pu. rlX~. both co~..m .ertl .and private, during the last twenty year&.has
su~ntmlly conmbut~cl to ..~e ~onomic betterment? well _-b,4*,g and
t~onal .~,~,~,,~Z of U~e people ot the stat~ The increased num0er, saze and
~owth o! awpom resumng from operational requirements of newer and
larger a~,~,~l~ operating more frequently Ires brought about · conflict of
land u~ This is of particular concern to the state in major public works
construction such. as highways, public buildings and facilities. The~e is
authority for municipalities to control the establishment or immurement of
publicly-owned airports and landing areas so as to assure
between developments in the field ot* public works. Uncontrolled establish-
ment of privately-owned airports and l~nding areas could setiomly impair
the existing fede~l.state highway program. Federal-aid highway funds may
not be used for reconstruction or relocation of any highway, the usefulness
of which may be impai .r~d. by the location or ext~lsion oF an airport. This
activity also presents major problems for municipalities particularly where
the a~rport or operations therefrom span more than one muni~paUty.
The legislature, therefore, ~nds that in order to meet the probb"m~ of local
government in the establishment o~' privately-owned airports and landing
areas and to insure coordination between developments in the field of public
workt that ceftin crit~a be met in the location of or ext~sion of a
privately-owned airport or landing area.
2. l~efinitiom. When used in this section:
a. Airport me~ns both an airport and landing area as de~ned in --~-.~on two
hundred forty of this article.
b. Airport improvement me~ns the extension, alteration, addition to or
realignment of the runways of an existing privately-owned airport or the
modification in any way of the landing and take-off directions at such
private]y-owned airport.
3. A.ppro.val of priva, tely.owned airports. No person shall hereafter establish
a privately-owned au'port or make an airport improvement to an existing
387
PUBLIC HEARING
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
April 2, 1964
LESTER M. ALBERTSON, Supe~viaor
RALPH W. TUTHIL~ 0Uotice of the Peace
~ulty A. CLARK, Justice of the Peace
LOUXS M. DEMAR~ST, Counc41man
ROBERT W. TASKER, Town Attorney
ALBERT W. RXC~ND, Town CXerk
,/
AX~Oa? CONTRACT HZA~m
SUPBRVISOR ALBEItTSONt I will open tho public hearing at thio
time and Ee0d the legal notice and affidavit o£ publication. '
"LI~AL NOTXCB, lfOTXCB XS HEREBY GXVEN, 'chat the Town Board o~
the Town of SouthoXd will hold a public hearing on the 2nd day of
April 1964, at the Superviaor*a Office, X6 South Street, Grennport,
New York, at 7t30' o'clock P.H. of said day upon the matter of a
proposed contract or agreement for the operation of an airport or
landing field leased by the Town of Southold at Mattituck, New York.
A copy of said proposed contract or agreement maybe examined by any
peragn interested therein at the Southold Town Clerk*s Of£1ce, ~ain
Street, Southold, New York.
'*Dateds March 10, 1964, Albert W. Richmond, Town Clerk.-
-coutr~ oF St~'FOL~).~S~
STATE OF NEW YORK)
"C. Whitney Booth, Jr., being duly ~worn, says that he 4. the
Editor, of THE LONG ISLAND TRAVBLBR-MATTZTUCKWATCHHAN, a public
newapeper printed at Southold, in Suffolk County~ and that the notice
o£ which the annexed ia a printed copy, baa been published in said
Long Island ~aveler-Mattituck watchumn once each week for one week
successively, col~encing on the 19 day of March, 1964. /a/ C. Whitney
Booth~ Jr.
"Sworn to before me this 23rd day of March, 1964. /a/ ~urgery D.
Burns, Notary Public.#
SUPERVISOR ~T.nURTSON8 I Would like ~o hear f~om any of those
present who w~uld like to be heard in favor of the Town leasing this
airstrip. -- Before that, X have the p~opoaed contract agreement
here in the £ile and the Town Attorney advised It is not: necessary
to read it through, but I would be glad to do as if anyone wishes
it.
(ThJre was no response.)
HR. HART~M 8UTBR, Mattitucks Speaking both as · resident and
peat president o£the Mattitu~k Chamber o£ Conun~rce0 we probably helped
getting the ball roiling on thia. I will give you the reasons why.
Local induatry givea employment ~o the local people and anyone who
doea is very important to the Town o£ Southold. One o£ the main
indua~rioa in the area has had a problem in rogard to ~ranaportation.
Since the business ia country-wide tim is important end the uae of
airplanes ia rose,important to the management and cuatomore. The
airport 4n Mattituck was not operated year-around. However, th4s
business ia year-around. They need the airport for all times of the
year. There was no way for the local airport operator to get enough
bua4neaa to make practical the uae of the a~rport year-around. We
were asked to support such a program. We suggested that the ~
might lease the strip and keep it in operation all year-around. The
present proposal which you have worked on for the peat year is the
culm4oat4on of that beginning. Tt 40 very important to the area, not
only thio plant and many others, and people do not realize it unless
they are personally in~olved. T myself have operated a business that
did uae thio airport.
The boating industry ia very~mportant to the Town of Southold,
bu~ for a very short season, and t~ne is an ~'npertant £actor. Emergenc4,
a~iee when supplies and parts are needed and with the bottle-neck in
~he vest end of the Xaland, it ie not only quicker but X found a lot
cheaper ~o ElM supplies in. X~ a ~t ia de.ged and a shaft or
pro~llef ~s ~ ~ ~e~l~ed ~u could fly f~m Connec2~t or Mew
~e~sey ~h ~e ~r~ wi~hAn an ~ or h~ and a half, a~ ~ is
no~ even e~u~h ~l~ ~o send a mn ~o ~ille. Y~ ~an fly ~e
~r~ in ~or ~lO.O0, a~ ~ ge~ ~he sa~ par~ ~rom ~ew Yo~k City i~
~uld cask $25.00 ~o ~0.00, plus sending a ~n; the delay a~
~ans~tion. ~e ~at can ~ back In 2he water a~st the same
day~
~n
Thin ia ales important to the businesses/this area ~hat are
coun~ry-vide. When we received word ~hey were locating outside of
thil mac,lan Chi relpOnll vii lmdll~e from ~he Cha~er of
and ~ople of ~he area. X rec~ ~ ~e ~ pr~eed wi~ this
pr~ram to lease ~e ai~r~ and keep i~ An o~ration year~und.
~.~O~B ~s X am from~i~uok and ~e presen~
· resAden~ of ~ Cha~e~ o~ Comrce and X e~ak for ~self. For
~he ~s~ yea~ X have been employed by X. ~. B~o~ ~nufac~urin~
ln.~i~uck. ~ey also have a plan~ in Xndiana. Up ~o n~ X have
been in 26 e~acea wl~hAn ~he las~ year. X have~en in every s~a~e
in~h~ eae~ ~ ~he ~cep~n of Wes~ VArginia. X delivered a
~chine ~o ~e~land, ~ryla~ ~o ~e ~erland Xce and Fuel
I kAdded ~hem a~u~ havin~ vending mchines from another ~nu~ac~urer.
~e fell~ said he ~s ~ have ~he bes~ vexing ~chines bu~ ~here
la no way of ge~in~ in ~ouch wi~h us in a hurry. D~i~ ~he converse-
t~on w got to speaking of e'lrpLenee and he mentioned that before'
the revolutic~ in Cuba he ~ae quite an .aL~plane en~us~ast. I asked
h~ ~h~ he d~dn'~ fL~ to ~t~tuCk, He ~a~d he ~ld ~ve to fly
New York a~ ~he~ get · ~x~. I told h~s he cou~ ~1~ ~ ~ttituck
and then call ~ and they wuld pLck him up.
~a~n I delivered a ~ch~e ~ S~ord, ~ect~t.
were ~v~n9 treble w~th 2he~r ~ch~ne ~ey ~lew a ~n over to
I don't ~ there are may ~ople here ~ho kn~ the size and
sco~ of business conduct~ by the Br~ ~nu~ac~u~i~ C~pany
~tituck. I lived all my ll[e in ~ttltuck buk I did not
a~ to ~h~o Coun~. I also read 8b~t ~ ohellfioh~nq
Unless ~ ~o brought ~o mLnd we Juok don*t kn~ ~t, ~ take
for granted. We also ~ F~shero Island ~o a ~rt of ~e ~n
Southold. You ~ how bed ~ ~8 to keep. ~fl touch ~ Fishers
Island. We ~ve a~'~epresen2a2~ve ~Eom F~ohero Island bu~ he
seldom here. If ~here was an a~E~ ~n M~t~uck ~ could use ~t, ~he
~ could~so ~t and ~t ~uld be ~or ~he go~ ~he
I l~ve In what La the circle o~ khe landLnq approach. No plane
has ever ~ored ~ and I don*~ ~h~nk 2hey ~uld ~ther an~ne else.
~e ~cko on the ~n R~d ~er ~ ~e. We need ~cko and we
need the a~rp/ane8.
~. ~ B~t So d~bt I de.nd on the a~rbaoe ~n
~Ltuck, 8Lthough o~ o~rat~on ~s seasonal w~kh ~ce. Star~n~
from n~ on w uae the2 a~r~rt every day. We fly ~o Boo~n a~
Conneot~'~ut con~inuoualyo ~t il a bottle-neck here w~hout the
hardship o£ not be~ng able to uae your plane.
~R. P~LIP GROGA~t I ~ for the newsier. We have.ny
only~y~ can do it, In ~act, X ~ goi~ to ask P~X ~rby to
/ ~. E~ ~, Orientt We ~ve a liktle airstrip In Orient
and ha~ had i~ for ~ny years. X do not 2hink it has ever,~een
an inconvenience to an~ne, X ~ld like ko endorse ~. ~ker 10~
on the ~t~ltuck idea. X ~ld lake to ask h~ch hhis will
~st the t~r if it Aa a lease ~o~ai~ion, and ~w long a lease?
S~ER~R ~T~Nt Yes, lk ia a lease for a ten Meat ~ri~.
~a~ It will cost the ~ Lo ~e coat of grading ~e area os khat
it ia a~ and ~ttinq a o~able s~face on it. We will do this
probably with oil. ~e onlM okher chugs to khe ~n is khe cos~ of
real estate taxes levied againak ~ p~o~r~y, and khio year ik was
~485.00. ~e cook will be a~ ~500 a ~ar rental.
~. ~s X t~ A~ Lo a ~er~ul Adea and I hope/Meats to
come we will ha~ a larger ~e In OrAent Point.
~. P~L ~Y8 X ~ Mde a ~Mll list of ~ople who have
used the facili~ie, wi~in ~he last few~nth8. People in Riverhead,
~ Xshtfd Pr~uce, the ~i8or o~ Rl~rhead and~m~ro of the
B~rd, ~. Conklin, ~rlea Forbes of ~e n~o~r, Sid ~t from
Hew ~rk a ~uce of ~tion pic~ure., Sid Steiber, also a pr~uce
of ~tion pictures ~om.H~ York. ~ia oe~l~ ia very~ch needed
In thio area. ~e ~ of 8ou~old ia as ~ch further ahead ~cauoe
o£ this atrLp. The feature' ~hat Lt will bo used year-around
a great benefit ~o the ~ and ne~g~o~ ~o~un~es. Bus,ness
~ha~ o~d sam ~ R~rhoad ~M b ~e ~n~ned ~ ~M ou~ ~h~s
~.' ~ ~R~H, ~t~ituck: X live in the ~light pattern
of t~ f~eld and X feel the ~ need8 ~e ~Xeld and ~t goes alon~
~~R ~T~ Xt i8 ~t ne~elsm~y to s~ak at length
whe~r ~u are ~or or against the
~. C~8 ~A~, Attorney, ~rheadt ~ wholeheartedly endorse
the ~ ~ard ~n ~ ~v~nt for this a~rs~p, zn the ~ o~
~verhead they ire ph~ng an ~ndus~al ~rk and ~e ~ntended
~chaser ~o ~n~red ~u~ a~rs~ps and the a~r~r~ hing so
near R~verbad b ~s us~ that ~ac~ ~or sell~n~ the ~dea o~ ~ndustr~a~
~. ~v-n~T ~~f resident, ~ of ~u~oMt ~ whole-
bar~edly au~r~ 2h~e plan hcause X 2eel ~t ~s a b~g' s~ep ~n ~he
r~qht
(~ere~e no reaches.)
/; ~P~HOR A~RRT~Nt Xe t~re an~ne ~eoent vho wishes
a~ak An o~sAtion to ~e eaUblA~ent
(~re vas no reaches.)
8UPF~V~. ~Olt ALBERT~ONs H~ar:~g none, we will close th£s hearing
for the further del~beration of the Board. Thank you for comLng down.
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PRELIMINARY
INITIAL REPORT
AIRPORT SITE SELECTION/MASTER PLAN STUDY
FOR
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
NEW YORK
PREPARED BY
PRC ENGINEERING, INC.
3003 NEW HYDE PARK ROAD
LAKE SUCCESS, NEW YORK 11042
TELEPHONE: 516/488-6930
IN ASSOCIATION WITH
ENVIRO~ENTAL SCIENCE & ENGINEERING, INC.
5406 HOOVER BOULEVARD, SUITE D
AIRPORT SERVICE CENTER
TAMPA, FLORIDA 3'3614
TELEPHONE: 813/886-6672
PRELIMINARY DRAFT
MARCH 1984
RECEIVED BY
SOUTHOU) tOWN PLANNING BOA~
_ MAI~ ~_.~ lqJqd
DATE
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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INTRODUCTION ...........................................
1.1 The Role of the Airport ...........................
1.2 The Planning Method ...............................
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2. FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS ...............................
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INVENTORY OF EXISTING FACILITIES .......................
3.1 Tovm of Southold ..................................
3.2 Alternatives to Air Tr~sportation ................
3.2.1
3.2.2
3.2.3
Rail Transportation ........................
Surface Highway Transportation .............
Shore-to-Shore Transportation ..............
3.3 Inventory of Existing Facilities ..................
3.3.1 Airports in the Tom of Southold ...........
3.3.2 Airports Outside the Tom of Southold ......
3.4 Survey of Potential Airport Users .................
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FORECAST OF AVIATION DEMAND ............................
4.1 Introduction ......................................
4.2 Population ........................................
4.3 Inc~e ............................................
4.3.1 Sources of Inc~e ..........................
4.3.2 Tourist Industry ...........................
4.4 General Aviation Scenario .........................
4.5 Based Aircraft ~d Aviation Activity ..............
4.5.1
4.5.2
4.5.3
4.5.4
4.5.5
Aircraft Ownership .........................
Southold Based Aircraft ....................
Based Aircraft by Type .....................
Aircraft Movements .........................
Fuel Flowage ...............................
Pa~e No.
1-1
1-2
1-2
2-1
3-1
3-1
3-1
3-3
3-3
3-4
3-4
3-7
3-8
3-13
4-1
4-2
4-9
4-12
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LIST Of FIGURES
Primary Study Area ..................................
Town of Southold Airport Site Selection Study--
Airspace Environmental Adjacent Airports ............
Airports in the Vicinity of Southold ................
Results of Potential. User Survey~ ...................
Population Profile of Long Island - 1960-2003 .......
Center of Population Calculations/Long Island Region
Long Island Region Center of Population 1980 ........
Suffolk County Center of Population .................
1980 Summer Population Estimates - Town of Southold.
Population Market--Long Island, Suffolk & Southold..
Medi'um Family Income--Long Island, Suffolk &
Southold Town .......................................
Distribution of Income Sources ......................
Occupational Distribution {%) - 1970 - Long Island,
Suffolk & Southold ..................................
Long Island Regional Employment Projection - 1984-
1990 (Employment by Place of Work} ..................
Long Island Region Net Employment Increases to 1990.
Tourism/Convention Expenditures {Billions} ..........
Airports with Based Aircraft in the Vicinity of
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Preferred Forecast ..................................
Regions Registered Aircraft Forecast (Different
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Based Aircraft at Southold Public Use Airport
Downstate General Aviation System Plan Study ........
Southold Airpark--Anticipated Based Aircraft (1984).
Total Based Aircraft--Southold Airpark ..............
Southold Airport-General Aviation Based Aircraft by
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The Town of Southold is contemplating establishing a publicly planned
airport to serve the aviation needs of Southold Town and surrounding
communities. In order to determine the potential of the Airport and
specific opportunities of improving facilities to serve potential general
aviation users at the new airport, Southold Town applied for a Planning
Grant to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) under the Airport
Improvement Program {AIP) of the Airport and Airway Improvement Act of
1982. In September 1983, a contract was awarded to PRC Engineering,
Inc. for the preparation of a comprehensive Airport Site Selection
Study for the Town of Southold.
This document comprises the Phase I report of the Airport Site Selection
Study for the Town of Southold. As such, it represents the preliminary
document submission and will be revised and superceded by subsequent
reports which will be produced as a part of the total study effort.
This Phase I report presents PRC's comprehensive analysis of the Airport
situation. Study area and inventory detail present the existing sur~
rounding airports as one basis for analysis. A comprehensive forecast
chapter discusses the potential for future growth in general aviation
and passenger traffic. Demand/capacity and facility requirements are
developed in terms of existing facility capacities, forecast future
demand versus potential deficiencies, and PRC Speas' proposed solution(s)
to these deficiencies. These topics are discussed in four areas, each of
which may be read independently, though all relate to each other: landing
area, terminal and support area, airspace and navigational aids, and
surface access. A description of environmental impacts associated with
current operations is also included in this report.
1.1 THE ROLE OF THE AIRPORT
With the development of air transportation, airports have become as
essential to its locale as highways or railways.
Even more, since aviation is a three-dimensional mode, an airport
potentially links the community with the whole world, thus creating
special opportunities for the development of the areas served.
Airports attract industry and trade, generate employment., provide
revenues, and therefore have an important economic impact on their
vicinity. They also have an impact on urban development plans, because
of the land they require, the accesses they need, the restrictions
they impose in terms of obstruction clearance and noise zoning. They,
therefore, have to be planned together with urban development. The
airport lies at the crossing of two systems, and is part of each: the air
transportation system and the urban system. To keep the elements of the
two systems in balance is the cornerstone of airport planning.
Good planning ensures that all oper.ating elements are kept in balance and
capable of development in phase with future traffic growth, to the
Ipotential of airport sites, without unnecessary expenditure. Over- or
under-development of any particular element of an airport, so that
it is out of balance with other elements, represents, apart from bad
planning, a wa~e of funds, material and labor which could otherwise be
used for productive purposes. For example, runways, aprons, support
buildings and air traffic control services should be matched to the
traffic demand. Planning involves resolution of the competing claims of
the many interests concerned with airport planning and operation.
1.2 THE PLANNING METHOD
Before any facility can be constructed, it has to be designed in detail.
Before it can be designed, certain fundamentals have to be specified;
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physical size, projected life and location, etc. Following the basic
specification, possible alternatives should be analyzed to define the
best or optimum solution which integrates all aspects of the problem into
the most efficient total operating system. Efficiency is measured
against a variety of different parameters depending upon the nature of
the facility, but always includes costs. This analysis is planning and
is the essential preliminary to any design.
Planning airports involves the same methods and approaches as planning
other facilities. It requires logical deductive analysis of problems and
requirements from first principles. The most efficient plan for the
airport as a whole is that which provides the required capacity for
.aircraft, passenger, cargo and vehicle movements, with maximum passenger,
operator and staff convenience at the lowest capital and operating costs.
At the same time, the airport authority, as a trustee of the public
interest, has the obligation to integrate the airport into the general
environment with least disruption of social life, the natural environ-
mental and ecological conditions. Air transportation is necessary, but
it is bought at a cost to the environment. That cost may be ascertained
so that it can be balanced against the benefits of the air transportation
system.
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This chapter sumarizes the highlights of Phase ! of the Site Selection
Study. The purpose of the summary is to afford the reader a quick
overview of the significant analyses performed by our staff.
A survey of registered aircraft owers and pilots considered to be
within a reasonable distance of Southold Tom found that 70 percent
of the aircraft ovmers responding to the survey would anticipate
using an airport in the town.
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The tourist industry of Long Island by the year lggO will exceed
10.0 billion doll ars. The east end of Long Island will account for
40 percent of this total of 4.0 billion dollars. This suggests that
the conditions which must prevail in order for aviation to exist and
prosper, do prevail and futOre aviation growth in the Town appears
to be strong through the year 2003.
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In the towns surrounding Southold there are thirteen general
aviation airports housing 964 based aircraft. In the Town of
Southold there are three airports housing 28 aircraft. These
aircraft represent approximately 2.9 percent of the total aircraft
based in the vicinity. By the ye~ 2003, it is anticipated that the
entire based aircraft fleet at the new Southold Airpark would
consist of single engine aircraft.
Based general aviation aircraft at the new Southold Airpark will
double by the end of the planning period with 67 based aircraft in
2003 compared to a base year (1984} total of 33.
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General aviation movements will increase from 16,900 in 1988 to
20,200 in 1993 and 31,500 operations in 2003.
Fuel flowage in gallons will increase from 126,800 gallons in 1988
to 155,300 in 1993 and 236,300 gallons in 2003.
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3. INVENTORY OF EXISTING CONDITIONS
3.1 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
The Town of Southold is a peninsula located on the North Fork of Long
Island as shown in Figure 3-1. Southold's western boundaries begin at
Laurel and Mattituck just east of the Town of Riverhead and extends to
Orient Point. Plum Island and Fishers Island extend northeastward from
Orient Point. Robins Island is located south of Southold in the Peconic
Bay. All of these islands are part of the Town of Southold.
There are eleven communities within the Town of Southold. They are
listed below along with their population, according to the 1980 census.
· Cutchogue and New Suffolk - 2,788
e East Marion - 656
· Fishers Island - 318
· Greenport - 2,273
e Greenport West - 1,571
· Laurel 962
· Mattituck - 3,923
· Orient - 855
· Robins Island - 0
· Peconic - 1,056
· Southold - 4~770
Total Town Population 19,172
3.2 ALTERNATIVES TO AIR TRANSPORTATION
A basic set of alternatives that could affect the development of a
publicly-owned airport on the North Fork is use of other modes of trans-
portation in place of air travel. There are three primary modes that
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TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
NEW YORK
PRIMARY STUDY AREA
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portation, surface transpoKtation, and shore-to-shore transportation.
3.2.1 Rail Transportation
There is only one railroad line that serves the North Fork. This line is
part of the Long Island Railroad, which serves the entire island. This
east-west diesel line ends at Greenport with intermediate stops at
Southold, Cutchogue and Mattituck. The railroad runs into Jamaica
Station where passengers then transfer to electric trains into Manhattan.
This trip usually takes approximately three hours.
~.2.2 Surface Highway Transportation
There is one interstate highway that directly connects the eastern end of
Long Island with Manhattan. This limited-access highway is the Long
Island Expressway (LIE) or Interstate 495. The LIE runs west-east and
ends in Riverhead. Once in Riverhead one must then take County Route 58
which turns into Route 25. This is the main route through Southold,
which is known as Main Road. County Route 27, known as the North Road
is the fastest route to all towns on the North Fork, in that it is a
four-lane improved highway. These two roads are the principal east-west
arteries on the North Fork. A trip from Manhattan to the North Fork by
automobile usually takes two and one-half to three hours if traffic is
light and weather conditions are good.
The Federal government does not permit scheduled bus service to go
directly from New York City to the other communities on Long Island.
Therefore the major bus companies do not operate to the east end of the
island. There are several local bus companies that do offer service to
the North Fork and other Long ISland communities.
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There is daily ferry service to/from Shelter Island and Greenport, and
to/from Orient Point and New London, Connecticut. There i's ferry service
from New London to Fishers Island but no direct service is available
between the North Fork and Fishers ~sland, both of which are. part of the
Town of Southold.
There is also no public ferry service to Plum. Island, which is owned by
the Federal government and off limits to the general publi~. 'The only
service available is strictly enforced by the U.S. Governmenf and is used
by government employees commuting to Plum Island.
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The purpose of performing a comprehensive inventory of existing airport
facilities in the area is that in later phases of the work progran, these
facilities will be accessed as to their ability to accommodate future
traffic volumes. This is important in that other airports in the area
will affect the potential demand at the proposed Southo]d Airpark.
The following section describes airport conditions and facilities
existing on Long Island in a 40-mile radius from the center of the Town
of Southold (Town Hall). The purpose of this study area is to determine
the impact of neighboring airports on the new Southold Airpark. The
impact of surrounding airports must be considered in determining the
particular role of and potential demands for the Airpark. For this
purpose a total of 19 airports were considered and analyzed to obtain an
up-to-date reading on their operations and facilities. These airports
are depicted in Figure 3-2 and discussed in Figure 3-3. From the 19
airports analyzed, a total of nine airports have paved runways' and twelve
are opened to the public.
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AIRPORTS iN THE VICINITY OF SOUTHOLD
(Radtus of 40 Nalgtcal 14tles)
Orientation From
Atrport Name Tom Hall (fl4/
and Ctty 8round lilies)
Btyl)urt -Edwards Fteld 39/46
Brookhaven-ShSrley 24/29
Ca1 verton-Peconlc 19/24
Corm Atrport 28/39
East Hanpton 17/41
Fishers Is1 end-Elizabeth* 28/--
Long Island HacArthur 37/41
Hattttuck 6/11
Nantank-Sky Purtel 26/67
Nontank-Se~pl ane Base 26/67
Riverhead Airpark 12/16
RIverhead-Talmage Field 14/16
Nose Field-Or lent 11/28
Shelter Islend* 7/--
Shelter I s I and -tdestmure Iofld* 6/--
Spadaro 19/26
East Hurtches 19/26
Southunpton Heliport* 13/--
Suffolk County-Mesthenpten 16/28
*Not accessible by ground trmsportatton.
Source: PRC/ESE Analysts of FAA Fora 6010-1
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Runway Ounur- Open to Based T- Coflv Htnor 14aJur Tern
Runva~ys Surface ship Publlc Acft. H~rs Itgr, s Fen__l Hatnt Hatnt. BId~l
01/19- 2,300' Turf Pub Yes 56 - Yes
18/36- 2,740' Turf
06/24- 4,200' Asphalt Pub Yes 180 Yes Yes Yes Yes
15/33- 4,326' Asph-Con
14/32-10,000' Asph-COn Pvt No - Yes Yes
0~/23- 7,00~' Asph-Cen
06/24- 2,000' Turf Pvt No 18 Yes
10/28- 1,900' Turf
04/22- 2,S01' Asph< Pub Yes 130 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
10/28- 4,242' Asphalt
16/34- 2,491 ' Asphalt
07/25- 2,064' Asph-P Pub Yes 2 -
12/30- 20850' Asph-P
06/24- 5,999* Asph-Cen Pub Yes 423 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
10/28- 5,036' Asphalt
15L/33R-3,212' Asphalt
16R/33L-5,186* Asphalt
01/19- 2,200' Asphalt Pvt Yes 23 - Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
06/24- 3,472' Asphalt Pvt Yes 14 .r . . _
01/19- NA #ater Pvt Yes - - -
16/34- 2,300' Turf PVt NO 6 '
16/34- 2,000' Turf Pvt NO 6 - -
17/35- 1,100' Turf Pvt NO 3 ....
03/21- 1,700' Turf Pvt NO
13/31- 1,300' Turf Pvt No
04/22- 1,200' Turf
18/36- 2,100' Asphalt Pvt Yes 21 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
18/36- 2,600' Turf Pvt Yes Yes Yes - Yes
HI Asphalt Pub Yes
02/20- 5,000' Con PUb Yes 83 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
06/24- 9,000' ' Con
16/33- 6,000' Con
3.3.1 Airports in the Town of Southold
A. Elizabeth Field
Elizabeth Field is located on Fishers Island. The Airport is owned
by the Town of Southold and is opened to the )ublic. It is located
northeast of Southold and approximately eight miles southeast of New
London, Connecticut. Its two runways 07/25 and 12/30 are paved with
asphalt. The airport is usable during instrument weather conditions
(IFR} in that it has a VOR approach. VOR refers to a very high frequency
omni-directional radio station for navigational and landing purposes.
Tie-downs are available and the Airport is attended during daylight
hours.
Fishers Island is accessible to the Town of Southold proper by ferry
service to New London, Connecticut and then to Fishers Island. Fishers
Island is also accessible by air from the two other private airports in
Southold or one may take private boats across the Long Island Sound. The
annual operations at Elizabeth Field are estimated as follows:
Air Taxi 2,500
GA Local 7,go0
~A Itinerant
Total Opns. 14,600
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Another airport in the Town of Southold is Rose Field in Orient. It is a
privately owned VFR (visual flight rules) airport and is not opened to
the public. It has a total of three aircraft based there. Its Runway
17/35 consists of a turf composition. It has no facilities except for a
hangar that houses one aircraft and runway edge lighting.
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Mattituck Airport is also located in the Town and is also a private VFR
airport. It is opened to the public and most of the flight activity
there is due to the business of new and remanufactured engines and engine
overhaul and repair. No sales, rentals, lessons or charters are offered,
but several operators will pick up passengers at Mattituck. Fuel is
available. The Airport 23 aircraft based there and its Runway 01/19 is
paved with asphalt. Its yearly operations are estimated as follows:
Air Taxi 300
GA Local 12,000
GA Itinerant 4,000
Total Opns. 16,300
3.3.2 Airports.Outside of the Town of Southold
A. Bayport-Edwards Field
Edwards Field is located in Bayport in the Town of Islip, approximately
39 nautical miles southwest of Southold. It is a VFR airport which
is owned by the Town of Islip and is opened to the public. Its Run-
ways 01/19 and 18/36 are composed of turf. Tie-downs and hangars are
available for storage. Services include charter, aircraft rental and
flight instruction.
B. Brookhaven Airport
Brookhaven Airport, which is owned by the Town of Brookhaven, is located
approximately 24 nautical miles southwest of Southold. It is an IFR
airport with VOR and NDB (non-directional radio beacon) approaches. It
is opened to the public and is operated by two fixed base operators. Its
Runways 06/24 and 15/33 are asphalt. Tie-downs and hangars are available
for storage. Its services include charter, fuel, flight instruction
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reported. Its annual
It is attended 24 hours and glider activity is
level of operations has been estimated as follows:
Air Taxi 5,000
GA Local 84,000
GA Itinerant 42 ~000
Total Opns. 131,100
C. Calverton-Peconic River Plant/Grumman Airport
Calverton-Peconic River Plant/Grumman Airport is located 19 nautical
miles west of Southold. It is an IFR airport with ILS (instrument landing
system) and VOR approaches. Its Runways 14/32 and 05/23 consist of
asphalt and concrete. It is closed to the public.
D. Corem Airport
Coram Airport
of Brookhaven.
closed. Its
are available
is located 28 nautical miles west of Southold in the Town
It is a privately owned airport and is in danger of being
Runway 06/24 consists of a turf composition. Tie-downs
for storage. Services available are charters, flight
instruction and aircraft rentals.
£. East Hampton Airport
East Hampton Airport, which is owned by the Town of East Hampton,
is located approximately 17 nautical miles from Southold. It is a
publicly owned airport with a VOR approach. Its Runways 10/28, 04/22 and
16/34 consist of asphalt. Hangars and tie-downs are available for
storage. Avail able services include aircraft maintenance, charter,
flight instruction, aircraft rentals and fuel. It is attended g:o0 a.m.
to dark by one fixed-base operator (FBO). Annual operations at East
Hampton are as follows:
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Air Taxi 2,900
GA Local 10,600
GA Itinerant 29,700
Mil itary 50
Total Opns. 46,150
F. Long Island MacArthur Airport
Long Island MacArthur Airport is located approximately 37 nautical miles
southwest of Southold. It is owned and operated by the Town of Islip.
It is a publicly owned IFR airport with ILS and NDB approaches. Its
Runways 06/24, 10/28, 15L/33R and 15R/33L consist of asphalt composition.
A flight service station (FSS} is located on the airport grounds.
Hangars and tie-downs are available for storage. Its services include
aircraft maintenance, charter, flight instruction, oxygen, rental and
fuel. It is attended 24 hours and has five operators. There are also
scheduled airline services available at Long ,Island MacArthur Airport.
Its yearly operations are distributed as follows:
Air Carrier 17,780
Air Taxi 108
GA Local 101,389
GA Itinerant 93,387
Military 10,279
Total Opns. 222,943
G. Montauk-Sky Portel Airport
Montauk-Sky Portel Airport is located approximately 28 nautical miles
southeast of Southold. It is a privately owned IFR airport with a VOR
approach. The Airport is reported closed seven months a year. It is
opened during summer months, June-September, to the public. Its Runway
06/24 is paved with asphalt. Tie-downs are available for storage. Its
annual operations are as follows:
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GA Local 800
GA Itinerant 4,000
Total Opns. 5,050
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Montauk Seaplane Base is located approximately 28 nautical miles south-
east of Southold. It has one landing lane, 01/19, and it is opened to
the public.
I. Riverhead Airpark
Riverhead Airpark is located approximately 12 nautical miles west of
Southold. It is a privately owned VFR airport. Its Runway 16/34 is
turf. Tie-downs are available for storage. The Airport is attended
during daylight hours. There are no services available.
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Riverhead-Talmage Field is located 14 nautical miles west of Southold.
It is a privately owned VFR airport that is closed to the public. Its
Runway 16/34 is turf. There are no services available.
K. Shelter Island Airport
Shelter Island Airport is located eight nautical miles southeast of
Southold. It Ss a privately owned VFR airport. Its Runway 03/21
consists of turf. There are no services or facilities available. Its
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Southold. It is a privately owned VFR airport that is closed to the
public. Its Runways 04/22 and 13/31 are of a turf composition. There
are no services or facilities available.
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Spadaro Airport is located lg nautical miles southwest of Southold. It
is a privately owned VFR airport. Its Runway 18/36 is composed of
asphalt. Tie-downs are avail able for storage. Services include charter,
flight instruction, aircraft rental, seaplane charter and fuel. The
Airport is attended during daylight hours. There are some parachuting
activities reported on weekends. The annual level of operations is
estimated as follows:
GA Local 1,000
GA Itinerant 200
Total Opns. 1,200
N. East Moriches Flying Club
East Morichas Flying Club is located 19 nautical miles southwest of
Southold. It is a privately owned VFR airport. Its Runway 18/36
consists of turf. The Airport is attended during daylight hours.
There are no services available.
O. Southampton Heliport
Southampton Heliport is located 13 miles southwest of Southold. It is a
publicly owned heliport.
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P. Suffolk County Airport
Suffolk County Airport, which is located in Westhanpton Beach and owned
by the County, is located 15 nautical miles southwest of Southold. It is
a publicly owned IFR airport with ILS, NDB and LOC/BC (localizer/back
course) approaches. Runways 06/24, 15/33 and 02/20 at Suffolk County are
concrete. Hangars and tie-downs are available for storage. There are
seven operators that offer the following services: aircraft maintenance,
charter, flight instruction, rental, and fuel. The Airport is attended
7:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. Its yearly operations are as follows:
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GA Itinerant 33,280
Military 11,559
Total Opns. 124,250
3.4 SURVEY OF POTENTIAL AIRPORT USERS
At the present time, there is no publicly-owned airport on the North
Fork. Potential demand for a new general aviation airport in the Town of
Southold does exist. A survey of registered aircraft owners and pilots
considered to be within a reasonable distance of the Town of Southold
found that 70 percent of the aircraft owners responding to the survey
would anticipate using an airport in the Town.
This subsection will discuss the questionnaire which was sent to pilots
and aircraft owners within a reasonable distance of the Town of Southold.
A copy of the questionnaire appears in the ~pendix.
Each question is summarized as to the percentage of pilots responding to
the questionnaire. Seventy-five percent of the pilots involved have
responded and the results are as follows:
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A percentage of flight hours flown annually are as follows:
0-99 Hours - 55%
100-300 Hours - 25%
301-500 Hours - 2%
Over 500 Hours - 18%
A percentage of the licenses and ratings from the pilots questioned
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Private - 43%
Commercial - 31%
Instrument - 3g%
ATR - 29%
Multi-Engine - 31%
Flight Instructor - 33%
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Fifty-one percent of the pilots questioned do not own their own
aircraft. Forty-nine percent do own their own aircraft. Ninety-
four percent of the aircraft owned are single engine aircraft with
a total number of 33 aircraft. Six percent of the aircraft owned
are multi-engine. Of those 33 aircraft, 21 percent are based at
Mattituck; 21 perce~t at Shelter Island; 12 percent are based at
Suffolk County Airport; nine percent at Talmage Field; nine percent
at Rose Field; six percent at East Hampton; three percent at Edwards
Field; and 21 percent in Connecticut. Seventy-six percent of the
aircraft owned would be relocating and based at the new airport.
Twenty-one percent of the aircraft owned would use the facilities
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11% - Long Island MacArthur Airport
7% - Rose Field
7% - Out of State
3% - Spadaro Airport
4% ~ East Hampton Airport
3% - Shelter'Island
3% - Republic Airport
3% - Edwards Airport
3% - Brookhaven Airport
3% - John F. Kennedy International Airport
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The following .is a percentage of the aircraft pilots normally use at
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Single Engine 4+ Place - 51%
Multi-Engine <12,500 Lbs - 10%
Experimental 2%
Turboprop >i2,500 Lbs 2%
There are four main reasons pilots reported as to why they use their
base airports. A percentage of those answers are as follows:
Close to Home - 41%
Convenience - 16%
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RESULTS OF POTENTIAL USER SURVEY
Number of Fit. School Maint Fuel
Respondents Rate Rates Costs
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8% Low 15% None
31% None 31% N/A
46% N/A
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31% High 62% High 38% High 38% High 38% Good
38% Avg 23% Avg 54% Avg 46% Avg 31% Fair
31% N/A 15% N/A 8% N/A 16% N/A 23% Poor
8% N/A
60% Low 40% Low
20% Avg 20% Avg
20% N/A 20% None
20% N/A
20% Avg
60% Low
20% N/A
20% High
40% Avg
20% None
20% N/A
20% Fair
20% Poor
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100% None 100% None 100% None 75% Avg 100% None
25% Low
66% Avg 66% Avg 66% Avg 66% Avg 33% Exc
33% High 33% High 33% High 33% High 66% Good
100% High ............
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100% Avg 100% Avg 100% Avg 100% Avg 100% Exc
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38% N/A
Hangar Pvmt Snow
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8% Good 15% Exc
38% Fair 46% Good
15% Poor 3g% Fair
8% V.Poor
8% None
23% N/A
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54% Good
31% Fair
Shelter Island 20% Fair
60% Poor
20% N/A
IRose Field 25% Poor
75% None
8% Fair 16% £xc
61% Poor 46% Good
8% None 38% Fair
23% N/A
40% Poor 20% Good
40% None 20% Poor
20% N/A 40% None
20% N/A
25% Exc 25% Good
75% None 25% Fair
25% None
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33% Exc 66% Exc
66% Good 33% Good
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East Hmnpto~n 100% Good
mRiverhead Airpark 100% Good
8% Exc
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23% Fair
23% Poor
8% N/A
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23% Fair
8% Poor
7% N/A
20% Fair
20% Poor
40% None
20% N/A
25% Exc
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25% Poor
33% Exc
66% Good
100% Exc 100% Exc 100% Good
--- 100% Good ---
100% Exc 100% Exc 100% Good
100% Poor Sod
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100% Poor
100% Exc
Location
15% Exc
47% Good
15% Fair
15% Poor
8% N/A
8% Exc
15% Good
46% Fair
31% Poor
60% Exc
20% Good
20% N/A
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No Airport in Southold Town - 14%
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Operations,
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Student' - 20%
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Air Taxi (Pass) - 8%
There are two types of operations - itinerant and local. Itinerant
operations are those flights for which the flight either begins
or ends at an airport other than the base airport. All other
operations are considered local (i.e., touch-and-go's are local
operations). The following are the percentages of local and
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the new airport. Ten percent would not relocate but would use the
facilities. Six percent would not relocate or utilize the new
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3,000 OMNIRNG Tiedown Inspt & Chtr/Inst UNICOM
Hangar Maint
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2,000 Yes Tiedown Yes Fuel/Inst All
3,000 VASI/VOR Tiedown Radio Fuel All
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3,000 VASI/VOR Tiedown Radio Fuel All
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Lights Hangar Svc Inst/No
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Lights Inst Phn/Vend
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TDWB
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44. 3,000 Not Nec. Yes Yes
45. 3,000 AOF Yes Yes
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4.1 INTRODUCTION
Historically, transportation .has been the controlling factor in the
original location of man's political and economic environment. This is
clearly true in the Town of Southold, where the early settlers had
little choice but to locate at points available to water transportation,
either on the Long Island Sound or at Greenport on the Peconic Bay.
Therefore, townspeople looked to New London, New Haven, New York City and
Boston as markets for their products, the primary source for their
supplies, and the bankers for their enterprises.
The impact of seacoast-oriented 'water transportation on the economy
of Southold was reinforced by the early roads and by the railroads,
since both generally followed the then established patterns of trade.
Southold's economy, thus continued for some 300 years, after the founding
of Greenport, Mattituck, New Suffolk, etc., being tied directly to the
developments of water transportation, which linked it directly to the New
England region.
The era of modern highway transportation gave Southold its first oppor-
tunity to free itself from its necessary dependence on New England as a
hub of economic activity. While the highway system as it has developed
to date, is far from ideal, Southold no longer needs to look to New
England in order to develop its economic relationships. The Town can now
look west, to New York City, with greater ease than traveling to New
England.
It would have been expected that the advent of air service, to which
the Long Island Sound would not impose a barrier and would have provided
Southold with a flexibility in its inter-regional transportation system,
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has been achieved only to a limited degree at best. However, the
opportunity does exist for improved air service provided the right
conditions exist.
This section will evaluate the conditions which must prevail in order
for aviation to exist and prosper. Since the Town of Southold is part
of' Suffolk County, and since economic data at the township level does
not exist in the State of New York, our socioeconomic analysis of the
environment of Southold will be first to analyze the overall Long
Island Region, especially Suffolk, and to link the economy of Southold to
that of the region with particular interest in evaluating the growth
potential of the Town of Southold.
4.2 POPULATION
The population of the Long Island Region during the 1960-1970 period grew
at an annual rate of 2.7 percent. It rose from a level of 1,967,000
persons in 1960 to 2,555,800 persons in 1970, as recorded by the Bureau
of the Census. However, between 1970 and 1980, the population's growth
rate fell off considerably. Population only grew at an average annual
rate of two-tenths of one percent. This is attributable, in part, to
specific policies of various governmental agencies to slow down or retard
growth in the region.
It is anticipated that the by year 2003, the total population of the Long
Island Region will reach 2,905,000 persons which reflects an average
annual growth rate of one-half of one percent over 1980. This is a
slight increase in the region's population growth rate over the 1970-80
period {See Figure 4-1).
The approximate center of population for the region, as calculated in
Figure 4-2, has moved slightly to 40°45'11'' latitude and 72'80'55"
longitude in 1980. This location is slightly west of the Nassau/Suffolk
border line (Figure 4-3).
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'POPULATION PROFILE OF LONG ISLAND
1960-2003
HISTORY
Avg. Annual
Population Growth Rate
1960 1,967,000 -
1970 2,555,800 2.7%
1980 2,605,813 .2%
FORECAST
1988 2,690,000 .4%
1993 2,760,000 .5%
1998 2,831,000 .5%
2003 2,905,000 .5%
Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census
New York State Department of Commerce Population Projections,
February 1983
PRC/ESE Analysis
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CENTER OF POPULATION CALCULATIONS
LONG ISLAND REGION
NASSAU
N. Hempstead
Hempstead
Oyster Bay
SUFFOLK
Population
1970 1980
235,007 218,624
834,719 772,590
359,112 303,368
Latitude
(Minutes)
N of 40'
45
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Huntington 200,172 201,512 48
Babylon 203,570 203,483 42
Islip 278,880 298,897 46
Smithtown 144,557 116,663 50
Brookhaven 245,760 365,015 50
Riverhead 18,909 20,243 55
Southampton 36,154 43,146 53
Southold 16,804 19,172 66
East Hampton 10,980 14,029 55
Shelter Island · 1,644 2,071 66
TOTAL 2,555,868 2,605,813
1960
1970
1980
Population Weighted
By Latitude
1970 1980
(ooo) (ooo)
10,575 9,838
33,389 30,904
17,694 15,184
9,608 9,673
8,550 8,546
12,828 13,750
5,733 5,883
12,228 18,251
1,040 1,113
1,916 2,287
1,109 1,265
604 771
108 137
115,644 117,552
Latitude
40°45.10'
40°45.25'
40'45.11'
Longitude
72°92.00'
72°88.79'
72°80.55'
Longitude Population Weighted
(Minutes) _ By Longitude
W of. 72° 1970 1980
(ooo) (ooo)
108 25,381 23,611
104 86,811 80,349
92 33,038 27,939
80 16,614 16,121
95 19,339 19,331
75 20,916 22,417
73 8,370 8,516
60 14,746 21,900
40 . 756 810
24 868 1,036
27 453 ' 518
19 209 267
20 32 66
226,933 222,881
Source: U.S. Bureau of Census
PRC/ESE Analysis
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The location of the center of population given the potential population
growth rate to the year 2003 suggests that the Town of Southold will
be a considerable distance from this location by some 50 miles. The
observation being made is that the Town of Southold lies within the
surrounding ring of the population base.
If.we calculate the center of population for Suffolk County, it would lie
in the To~n of Brookhaven, still a considerable distance from the Town of
Southold {Figure 4-4). Suffolk County's center of population in 1980 has
been calculated to lie at a point ¢0°46'94'' latitude and 72°6g'3g"
longitude.
The permanent population of the Town of Southold rose from 16,804 persons
in 1970 to 19,172 persons in 1980. However, since the purpose of this
study is to assess the potential for aviation activity in the Town of
Southold, it is necessary to assess both the permanent residents and
the summer residents in the Town.
According to the 1980 Special Census of the Population, the net increase
in the summer residents was 20,646 persons. Figure 4-5 shows these
estimates, which were prepared by the Long Island Planning Commission.
Combining these' figures {summer residents) plus the permanent residents
shown in lg70 the total population market was approximately 30jO00
persons. By lg80, the population market rose to 39,818 persons. This
represented an average annual growth rate of 3.6 percent between lg70 and
lg80. This was almost three times the growth rate of Suffolk County
during the same period. The observation to be made is that Southold's
population market is growing faster than the population market for
Suffolk County.
Through the period from lg80 to the year 2003, the Southold population
market is expected.to grow by 1.4 percent annually through 1993 and by
1.1 percent annually thereafter. Translated, the Southold population
market is estimated to be 53,100 persons by the year 2003. This on
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1980 SUMMER POPULATION ESTIMATES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
1980 Population
Persons Per Household
Summer Guest
Second Homes
Summer Population
Camp Sites
Persons Camping
Motel Units
Capacity
Total Increase in
Summer Population
Total Population
Growth Rate 1980/1970
1980 U.S. Bureau of Census
Long Island Planning Commission
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2.54
5,596
3,185
12,740
186
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20,646
39,818 Persons
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Long Island Region. Figure 4-6 shows these calculations.
4.3 INCOME
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was also true in 1970.
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County. The nmdian family income in Nassau in 1979 was $26,246 c~pared
to $24,195 for Suffolk and $21,013 for Southold.
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primarily because of the influx of new residents. The increase was +2.56
percent in Suffolk c~pared to +2.33 percent in Nassau. However, the
Town of Southold compared to either Nassau or Suffolk had the strongest
growth rate of +2.90 percent over the same time period. What this
suggests is that the rate of income growth for the Tovm of Southold
is strong.
Over the study period to the year 2003, it is anticipated that income in
the Tovm of Southold will continue to grow at a faster rate than the
Long Island Region or Suffolk County.
Between 1970 and 1980, double digit inflation was the rule rather
than the exception. The levels of absolute income were extrenely high
resulting in large absolute changes in the median family income. For
this forecast, and using the Econometric Model of Long Island, the level
of median family income for Long Island will approximate $46,303 by the
year 2003. (This assumes a 3.5 percent annual rate of change in the
consumer price index.) For the Town of Southold it is anticipated
that the median family inc~e will approximate $43,600 {Figure 4-7
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POPULATION MARKET
LONG ISLAND, SUFFOLK & SOUTHOLD
HISTORY
Long
Isl and
2,556
Suffolk
1,127
Grov~ch SOUTHOLD
Rate Winter Summer Total-~/
-- 16,804 NA 30,000
2,606 1,284 1.3% 19,172 20,646 39,818
FORECAST
2,690 1,390 1.0% 21,200 23,100 44,300
2,760 1,495 1.4% 22,900 24,600 47,500
2,831 1,540 .6% 23,800 26,500 50,300
2,905 1,611 .8% 24,800 28,300 53,100
Estimate for total winter and summer.
Source: Figures 4-1 and 4-5
PRC/ESE Analysis
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MEDIUM FAMILY INCOME
LONG ISLAND, SUFFOLK & SOUTHOLD TOWN
HISTORY
Long
Island
Suffolk
Southold
1970 $ 7,878 $ 6,795 $ 5,386
1980 26,246 24,195 21,013
% Change +233% +256% +290%
FORECAST
1988 $32,000 $30,200 $27,700
1993 36,200 34,650 32,875
1998 40,900 39,800 39,000
2003 46,300 45,800 43,600
U.S. Bureau of the Census
Econometric Model of Long Island
OBERS Report
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Since the income levels presented approximates the income levels for the
permanent residences of Southol'd only, it is necessary to establish the
relative value of median family income for those who have second homes in
the Town. A survey of bankers indicate that on the average the median
family income of second homeowners is two and one-half times that
of permanent residents.
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approximate $53,000. Using a simple average, we estimate that the
combined median family income in 1980 was $37,000 per year.
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true level of income since it does not account for the second homeowner
and summer resident.
4.3.1 Sources of Income
The population of the Town of Southold derives approximately 55.7 percent
of its income from wages, salaries and proprietors income. Compared to
either Long Island or Suffolk County which derives over 84 percent of
its income in the same manner. The lower percentage point difference
reflects the fact that almost one-half of the income is derived from
non-production sources. The significance of this is that it represents a
stable environment for growth since expenditures patterns are consistent
over time {Figure 4-8).
An interesting point to observe is that Southold compared to the region
or county, derives a-higher percentage of its income from blue collar
employment rather than white collar employment (Figure 4-9) presents
these findings.
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the year lg90, employment by place of work will grow by 2.5 percent
annually growing from an employment base of 953.1 thousand persons in
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DISTRIBUTION OF INCOME SOURCES
1980
Nassau Suffolk'
Wages and Salaries 76.3 80.3
Self Empl oyment~-1/ 8..2 5.6
Tot al 84.5 85. g
Interest, Dividends 7.6 4.8
Soci al Security 3.7 4.3
Public Assistance .4 .7
All Others 3.8 4.3
Tot al 100.0 100.0
1--/ Includes farms.
2--/ Estimates Econometric Model of Long Island
Source: PRC/ESE Analysis
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SOUTHOLO
1980~-! 1970
47.0 44.1
8.7 7.2
55.7 51.3
22.1 19.6
1.7 1.5
20.5 27.6
100.0 100.0
Figure 4-9
OCCUPATIONAL DISTRIBUTION {%)
1970
LONG ISLAND, SUFFOLK AND SOUTHOLD
WHITE COLLAR OCCUPATION
Professional, Technical, Kindred
Non Farm Managers and Admin.
Sales Workers
Clerical and Kindred Workers
BLUE COLLAR OCCUPATION
Craftsmen, Foremen, Kindred
Operatives
Non Farm Laborers
FARM OCCUPATIONS
SERVICES OCCUPATIONS
TOTAL
Source: U.S. Census lg70
Long
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60.3 53.7 48.4
18.7 18.4 14.6
11.8 9.6 10.0
9.8 8.3 6.9
20.1 17.4 16.9
27.7 32.4 33.6
13.6 15.6 16.0
10.6 12.7 10.7
3.4 4.0 6.8
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100.0 100.0 100.0
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1983 to 1,121.4 thousand persons in 1990. Figure 4-10 presents these
calculations. For the forecast period, it will be assumed that the
region's growth rate between 1990 and the year 2003 will be 2.0 percent.
The interesting observation to make is that by the year 1990, the
services sector of the economy will be the largest single component of
the Long Island economy. Figure 4-11 shows this sector to account for
over 55 percent of the total environment. For Southold, this means that
as the Long Island economy transforms itself towards a service economy,
so will the economic base of the Town of Southold. The implication
is that white collar Jobs will increase its share of the work force
resulting in a higher income base for the Town.
4.3.2 Tourist Industry/
In recent years, the tourist industry has played a significant role in
the development of the region's economy. A recent study released by the
Long Island Tourist Convention Commission indicated that the tourist
industry on Long Island by the year 1990 will exceed 10.0 billion dollars
growing at an average annual rate of 11.5 percent per year between
1984 and 1990. Figure 4-12 shows these calculations. The study also
indicated that the east end of Long Island will account for 40 percent
of this total or 4.0 billion dollars. For Southold, the significance
is that a good portion of this money will be spent in the Town increasing
the level of employment and income.
To conclude, the data and analysis presented herein indicates that
the Town of Southold will grow significantly by the year 2003. This
suggests that the conditions which must prevail in order for aviation
to exist and prosper, do in fact prevail and that future aviation growth
in the Town appears to be strong through the year 2003.
4.4 GENERAL AVIATION SCENARIO
The widespread acceptance of air transportation since the early lg60s
and the country's increasing dependence upon air transportation for
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Ftgure 4-10
LONG ISLAND REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT PROJECTION
1984 - 1990
(Employment by Place of Work)
EMPLOYMENT (THOUSANDS)
1983 1984 1990 83/82
Total Non Agricultural 953.1 969.5 1,121.4 +1.2
Contract Construction 36.9 37.5 40.1 +1.1
Manufacturing 167.7 171.1 237.4 0
Durables 115.0 117.4 174.2 +.2
Non Durables 52.7 53.7 63.2 0
Transportation, Communications 43.0 44.1 50.3 +2.6
& Public Utilities
Wholesale & Retail 250.3 256.9 297.3
Finance/Insurance/Real Estate 52.9 53.3 62.1
Services & Miscellaneous 233.9 238.5 261.2
Government 168.8 168.1 173.0
GRO~ffH RATES*
84/83 90/85
+1.7 +2.5
+1.6 +1.1
+2.0 +5.6
+2.1 +6.8
+1.9 +2.7
+2.5 +2.2
+2.5 +2.6 +2.5
-.1 +.1 +2.6
+2.9 +2.1 +1.5
-1.5 -.4 +.5
*Average Annual Growth Rates
Source: Econometric Model of Long Island - January 1984
Division of Management
Pol~echnic Institute of New York
Figure 4-11
LONG ISLAND REGION
NET EMPLOYMENT INCREASES TO 1990
Total Non-Agricultural
Contract Construction
Manufacturing
Durable
Non Durable
Transportation, Con~nunications
& Public Utilities
Wholesale & Retail
Finance/Insurance/Real Estate
Services & Miscellaneous
Government F/S/L
Service Sector
Percent Net Growth
1990 of Total Increases Rate
(000) (Actual)
1,121.4 100.0% 151,900 2.5%
~0.1 3.6 2,600 1.1
237.4 21.2 66,300 5.6
174.2 15.5 56,800 6.8
63.2 5.6 9,500 2.7
50.3 4.5 6,200 2.2
297.3 26.5 40,400 2.5
62.1 5.5 8,800 2.6
261.2 23.2 22,700 1.5
173.0 15.4 4,900 .5
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TOURISM/CONVENTION EXPENOITURES
(Billions)
HISTORY
Growth Rate
1978 $1.377 NA
1979 ....
1980 ....
1981 2.686 25.8%~-/
1982 ....
1983 4.658 31.5%
FORECAST
1984 $ 5.800 26.1%=/
1990 10.0 11.5%
~/ Average Annual Growth Rate
2--/ Percent Change 1984/1983
Source: Long Island Tourist Convention Commission Study
1983 and 1984 Tourist Market Estimates Prepared December 1983
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inter-city travel, has not been limited to common-carrier air transporta-
tion such as is offered by the scheduled airlines and scheduled air taxi
operators. On the contrary general aviation, which encompasses all civil
flying other than the scheduled services, now accounts for a significant
number of aircraft flight hours and aircraft.
Given the current state-of-the-art in the technology of small aircraft,
i.e., fuel efficient, light weight, etc., it is expected that the
level of the general aviation market will'rise by the year 2003. The
integration of these factors coupled with national and local economic
factors will determine the anticipated levels of general aviation
activity within Southold.
General aviation activity in broad terms, is determined by the number of
based aircraft at the airport and by transient aircraft. The procedure
employed to forecast general aviation activity is first to forecast the
number of aircraft which will be based at the airport. The next step is
then to forecast the level of aircraft operational activity.
4.5 BASED AIRCRAFT AND AVIATION ACTIVITY
The number of aircraft based at an airport is one of the basic yardsticks
of general aviation demand. A based aircraft is defined as being stored
at the airport for an extended period of time. This figure is projected
by first forecasting the number of active registered aircraft in the
region and then estimating the portion based at the subject airport.
4.5.1 Aircraft Ownership
An investigation of the availability of general aviation facilities
revealed that in the towns surrounding Southold there are thirteen
general aviation airports housing 964 based aircraft. In the Town
of Southold there are three airports housing 28 aircraft. These aircraft
represent approximately 2.9 percent of the total aircraft based in the
vicinity. Figure 4-13 presents these findings.
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Source:
Figure 4-13
AIRPORTS WITH BASED AIRCRAFT IN THE VICINITY
OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Based
Township Aircraft
Brookhaven 219 22.7%
- Brookhaven 180
Coram 18
Spadaro 21
Islip 479 49.7%
L.I.MacArthur 423
Bayport 56
East Hampton 144 14.9%
East Hampton 130
Montauk 14
Riverhead 12 1.2%
Riverhead 6
Talmage 6
Southampton - 83 8.6%
Suffolk County 83
Southold 28 2.9%
Mattituck 23
Rose Field 3
Elizabeth 2
TOTAL 964 100.0%
FAA Fora 5010-1
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Since the level of based aircraft in Southold is small relative to the
total, it is necessary to forecast the relative levels of registered
aircraft for the region and then relate this forecast to the Town of
Southold to determine the number of potential based aircraft.
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Although the objective of this study is to determine the anticipated
activity in the Town of Southold and not that of the region, close
coordination between this study and ongoing Downstate General Aviation
System Plan (GASP) Study is necessary. This coordination is considered
essential in that the Town of Southold falls within the Downstate GASP
Study Area.
The GASP Study utilized
casting the Downstate
different levels of aviation activity.
be utilized in this study represents
increasing market share projections.
technique is shown below as Figure 4-14.
a number of different methodologies in fore-
area's regional requirements, each yielding
However, the forecast that will
an average of both constant and
The results of this averaging
Figure 4-14
PREFERRED FORECAST
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Year Re~iste?ed Aircraft
1985 2,418
1990 3,010
1995 3,675
2005 5,065
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registered aircraft. This represents a 3.8 percent average annual growth
rate over 1985. Figure 4-15 presents the different registered aircraft
levels obtained by using different forecasting techniques.
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REGIONS REGISTERED AIRCRAFT FORECAST
(Different Forecasting TechniqueS)
[roJections/Forecast 1985 1990 1995 2005
Constant Market Share 2,394 2,890 3,418 4,443
Increasing Market Share 2,442 3,136 3,931 5,686
Socioeconomic Regression 3,346 4,498 5,780 8,268
Population Regression 2,632 2,728 2,736 2,738
Per Capita Trend 2,896 3,552 4,223 5,569
Preferred Forecast~/ 2,418 3,013 3,675 5,065
Preferred Forecast represents average of constant and increasing
market share.
Source: Downstate GASP Study
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4.5.2 Southold Based Aircraft
Several factors influence an owner's decision as to where his aircraft
should be based (stored). A survey conducted by the Department of
Transportation revealed that the most influential factor is accessibil-
ity. Other )ignificant factors are the quality of the airport, the
quality of fixed base operators, airport and FBO prices and aircraft
operational requirements. During the GASP's base year {1982), there were
17 aircraft based at the sole public use airport (Mattituck) in Southold
Town. l~e most recent information available shows that this figure has
increased to 23 aircraft. Using the lower figure as a basis for their
forecast, the GASP Study estimated the number of based aircraft at
Southold's public use airport to ri. se to 37 by the year 2005. These
levels of based aircraft are shown in Figure 4-16.
Figure 4-16
BASED AIRCRAFT AT SOUTHOLD PUBLIC USE AIRPORT
DOWNSTATE GENERAL AVIATION SYSTEM PLAN STUDY
Year Number
1985 18
1990 22
1995 27
2005 37
This represents an increase of 3.7 percent growth per year. The forecast
is based on the assumption that the number of based aircraft in Southold
will grow at the sane rate as the region, i.e., 3.7 percent per year for
the region; 3.7 percent per year for the airport.
During the month of December, a survey of potential airport users was
conducted to identify aviation activity at the Town of Southold's
airport. As part of the survey, members of the North Fork Aviation
Association (NFAA) were surveyed, in addition to other potential users of
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the airport. The results of the survey have been discussed in the
previous section of this report.
However, of the 49 respondents, 24 individuals did own aircraft.
Of these, only seven members based their aircraft in Southold. Of the
remaining 16 respondents, 1! indicated that they would relocate their
aircraft to Southold if adequate facilities were available. A discussion
with members of the NFAA indicated that the primary reason for them not
basing their aircraft at Southold was because of the limited facilities
at the Mattituck Airport and because it is closed after dark.
Assuming that a new airport facility would provide solutions to these
shortcomings, then the total level of aircraft based at a new airport in
Southold in 1984 would approximate 33 aircraft. This assumes that
relocation of aircraft would occur (the survey) from other airports to
Southold. It should also be noted that of the 23 aircraft currently
based at Mattituck, approximately one-quarter of them have indicated they
would remain there.
Figure 4-17
SOUTHOLD AIRPARK
ANTICIPATED BASED AIRCRAFT (1984)
Currently Based at Mattituck 17
That Would Relocate
Relocated From Other Airports 16
Total 33
This would represent over 3.4 percent of the region's based aircraft.
Since the questionnaire primarily surveys the Southold universe, it
is most likely that others would relocate their aircraft to Southold'
especially during the summer months when population increases. Using 28
aircraft as a base and as noted previously, the economic base of Southold
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Model of Long Island, it is estimated that the growth rate of based
m aircraft at the proposed Southold Airpark will exceed the region's growth
rate by one percentage point per year to the year 2003 or 4.7 percent
m after 1988.
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1988 36
1993 44
1998 54
2003 67
Average Annual Growth Rate 4.3
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4.5.3 . Bas.ed Aircr.aft by T~pe
in the previous subsection.
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The base year mix of aircraft o~ership was identified reviewing the
master registration file. A forecast of individual aircraft types was
then prepared by extrapolating the 1983/84 trend of individual aircraft
types, and assuming that the projected mix of aircraft to be the sue
during the planning period. By the year 2003, it is anticipated that
the entire based aircraft fleet at the new Southold Airpark would consist
of single engine aircraft. Of this total, 43 are projected to be 1-3
place (1-3 seats) and 24 4+ place {4 plus seats) type aircraft. Figure
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The total number of general aviation aircraft movements at Southold
Airpark is comprised of aircraft movements performed by based aircraft
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SOUTHOLD AIRPORT - GENERAL AVIATION
BASED AIRCRAFT BY TYPE
AirCraft
, T~pe 1984~-1/ 1988 1993 1998 2003
1-3 Seats 23 23 28 34 43
4+ Seats 10 13 16 20 24
33 36 44 54 67
Source: Records of Aircraft Based at Mattltuck Airport and Survey
Results
Source: PRC/ESE Analysis
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plus those performed by transient aircraft. These movements are further
classified as itinerant or local aircraft movements. Itinerant movements
are landings and takeoffs performed by aircraft in transit between
Southold and another airport. Local movements are other landings and
takeoffs such as those associated with training or sightseeing flights.
Because of the lack of available historical data, the following fore-
casting methodology was employed.
Movements performed by based aircraft is generally forecast by multi-
plying utilization measures in hours flown, number of movements per hour
and active based aircraft, all by aircraft and flight type. On the
average, 60 percent of itinerant movements are performed by transient
aircraft and, total movements by transient aircraft is estimated by
multiplying the forecast of based aircraft itinerant movements by
1.5. The basis for this is presented in the Genera Aviation Aircraft
Movements Model which is presented in Figure 4-20. The model shows that
the number of total (TOT) aircraft movements at an airport in year (t) is
equal to the sum of aircraft movements conducted by based aircraft (BAM)
and transient aircraft (TAM) in all types of flights {k) and by all types
of aircraft during that year.
The model's specifications suggests that the number of based aircraft
movements is equal to the product of the number of based aircraft, the
hours flown by based aircraft, the percent of hours flown and the percent
of movements performed at an airport, by flight and aircraft type
resulting in the number of movements performed by transient aircraft are
shown to equal the number of transient movements performed by based
aircraft multiplied by 1.50 for each aircraft type.
The annual 'utilization of based aircraft by aircraft type was forecast
based on analysis of historical trends, the usage of those aircraft and
judgment. As a basis for these analyses the utilization of aircraft in
1984 was investigated for the State of New York and a cross-sectional
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GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAJ:T MOVEMENTS
MODEL
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TAMj~t =
Based aircraft movements in flight type (1) and aircraft type
(j) during year (t)
Transient aircraft movement in flight {k) and aircraft
type (j) during year (t)
BAC = Based aircraft
HRS = Hours flovm by based aircraft
PFT = Percent of hours flown
MPH = Movements per hour
PBA = Percent of movements conducted at base airport
USEa = Given usage mix (a)
and, Aircraft type (3).
and, Flight type (k):
1 - single engine 1-3 seats
2 - single engine 4+ seats
3 - multi-engine <12,$00 lbs.
4 - multi-engine T12,500 lbs.
5 - turboprop <12,500 lbs.
6 - turbopropTl2,500 lbs.
7 - turbojet
8 - rotor
g - other
1 - itinerant flight
2 - local flight
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sample of more than 30,000 U.S. registered aircraft. Generally, the
method of projection was to extrapolate a giyen time and apply it to
Southold.
Percent of average hours flown in local/itinerant flight by aircraft
type, the numbers of movements performed per hour in local itinerant
flight by aircraft type, and the percentage of movements performed at the
base airport by aircraft type were derived from various industry and FAA
surveys, and ongoing research conducted by PRC and ESE.
Figure 4-21 presents the estimated base year operations and forecast of
aircraft movements at Southold Airpark. Total aircraft movements are
forecast to be 16,900 movements by lg88. By 1993 this is expected to
rise to 20,700 movements, and, by the year 2003 over 31,000 per year.
The long-run forecast of total movements represents an average long-run
annually compounded growth rate of 4.2 percent.
4.5.5 Fuel Flowa~e
Fuel flowage refers to the number of gallons of aviation fuel projected
to be sold at Southold Airpark. The forecast of fuel flowage is provided
to allow projections of future airport revenues. A fuel flowage model
similar to the aircraft movements model is used to estimate average fuel
flowage. The specification of the model is presented in Figure 4-22.
Since historical fuel flowage data for Southold is not available,
certain assumptions have been made. The fuel flowage figure for 1988 and
throughout the planning period was estimated based on the assumption that
aircraft purchase an average of fifteen gallons per departure. This is
an average figure for airports similar to the proposed Southold Airpark,
previously studied by PRC and ESE. The fuel burn by aircraft type and
the percent purchased at the base airport wasobtained from various FM
and PRC/ESE survey data. Based on the data, the estimated fuel flowage
will approximate 217,000 gallons per year by the year 2003.
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Ftgure 4-21
FORECAST OF LOCAL AND ITINERANT MOVEMENTS
SOUTHOLD AIRPARK
OFF-SEASOn/ SEASO
Loc~l~/'Itinerant Local~/ Itiner~t Local
1988 3,700 1,900 7,500 3,800 11,200
1993 4,600 2,300 9,200 4,600 13,800
1998 5,600 2,800 11,200 5,600 16,800
2003 7,000 3,500 14,000 7,000 21,000
TOTAL
Ittner~t
5,700
6,900
8,400
10,500
Total Mmts
16,900
20,700
25,200
31,500
1_/ Assumes 26 weeks
Assumes 26 weeks
3_/ 4 movement/week/aircraft
4-/ 8 movements/w~ek/aircraft
Source: PRC/ESE Analysts
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TPTt - Total purchase of fuel in gallons by transient aircraft
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TOTt - Total departures by tr~sient aircraft in ~ar (t)
BRNj - Fuel burn in gallons per hours by aircraft type (J)
HRSj,t - Hours flo~ by based aircraft by aircraft types (J)
in ~ar (t)
PPBj - Percent purchased mt based airport by aircraft types
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Figure 4-22 outlines the Fuel Flowage Model which was
estimating fuel flowage at the Southold Airpark.
the basis for
Figure 4-23 presents fuel flowage estimates at Southold for the planning
period 1988 to 2003.
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Figure 4-23
SOUTHOLD AIRPARK
FUEL FLOWAGE ESTIMATES
Fuel Flowage
Ga!lons
1988 126,800
1993 155,300
1998 189,000
2003 236,300
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