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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-11/10/2005 ELIZABETH NEVILLE Town Hall, 53095 Main Road TOWN CLERK PO Box 1179 Southold, NY 11971 REGISTRAR OF VITAL STATISTICS Fax (631) 765-6145 MARRIAGE OFFICER Telephone: (631) 765-1800 RECORDS MANAGEMENT OFFICER southoldtown.northfork.net FREEDOM OF INFORMATION OFFICER OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD REGULAR MEETING MINUTES November 10, 2005 7:00 PM A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held Thursday, November 10, 2005 at the Meeting Hall, Southold, NY. Supervisor Horton opened the meeting at 7:00 PM with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. Attendee Name Organization Title Status Arrived William P. Edwards Town of Southold Councilman Present 7:00 PM Daniel C. Ross Town of Southold Councilman Present 7:00 PM Thomas H. Wickham Town of Southold Councilman Present 7:00 PM John M. Romanelli Town of Southold Councilman Present 7:00 PM Louisa P. Evans Town of Southold Justice Present 7:00 PM Joshua Y. Horton Town of Southold Supervisor Present 7:00 PM Elizabeth A. Neville Town of Southold Town Clerk Present 7:00 PM Patricia A. Finnegan Town of Southold Town Attorney Present 7:00 PM I. Reports Subject Details 1. Land Tracking Report Third Quarter (7/1/05 - 9/31/05) 2. Island Group Claim Lag Report 10/1/04 - 9/30/05 3. Animal Shelter Monthly Report October 2005 4. NF Animal Welfare League Financial Statement 3rd Quarter 9/05 - 9/04 5. Program for the Disabled October 2005 Events II. Public Notices Subject Details 1. Notice of Intention to Apply for Farm Winery New Suffolk Land Co. II LLC - Route 48 N Corner License to NYS Liquor Authority & Youngs Avenue, Southold III. Communications None Page 1 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting IV. for Discussion Subject Details 1. Executive Session Disciplinary action - Fishers Island Ferry District 2. Installation of Streetlight Per Jim McMahon 3. Long Island Lighthouses 10:00 a.m. - Merlon Wiggin, Hank deCillia 4. Merger Law 10:30 a.m. - Patricia Moore, Esq. 5. 5-Town Rural Transit Survey Results 9:30 a.m. - Margaret Brown 6. Goldsmith Inlet 11:30 a.m. - Jamie Richter 7. Property Usage of Town-Owned Land Church Lane 8. Sanitary Flow Credits Pat Given appraisal - per Pat Finnegan 9. SEQRA Authorization Bonding of highway work - per Kieran Corcoran 10. Bus Shelters 11. Tax Exemptions Legislation Families of service men and women 12. Police Dispatchers Councilman Ross 13. Annexation Lead Agency Town Attorney 14. Update From Fishers Island Meeting Supervisor 15. Retail Moratorium Update Pat Finnegan Public Hearing #1 2006 BH UDGET EARING SUPERVISOR HORTON: Please rise and join with me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. Councilman Wickham, if you would open the public hearing? COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Preliminary Budget and Preliminary Capital Budget of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York for the fiscal year beginning on. January 1, 2006 has been compiled and filed in the Office of the Town Clerk at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, New York, where they are available for inspection and where copies may be obtained by any interested person during business hours. , FURTHER NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will public meet and review said Preliminary Budget and Preliminary Capital Budget and hold a hearing thereon at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, New York, in said 4:00 p.m. and at 7:30 p.m., on Thursday, November 10, 2005 Town at , and such hearing at any persons may be heard in favor of or against the 2006 Preliminary Budget and 2006 Preliminary Capital Budget as compiled, or for or against any item or items therein contained. FURTHER NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that pursuant to Section 108 of the Town Law, the following are proposed yearly salaries of members of the Town Board, the Town Clerk and the Superintendent of Highways: SCHEDULE OF SALARIES OF ELECTED OFFICIALS (ARTICLE 8 OF TOWN LAW) Officer Salary Page 2 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting Supervisor $ 85,905 Members of the Town Board (4) @ 28,980 Town Justice and Member of the Town Board, Fishers Island 40,012 Town Justices (2) @ 60,000 Town Clerk 72,016 Superintendent of Highways 89,983 Tax Receiver 32,447 Assessors (3) @ 61,961 Trustees (5) @ 14,490 SUMMARY OF TOWN BUDGET Appropriations Less: Less: and Estimated Unexpended Amount to Provisions be Fund for Other Revenues Balance Raised by Uses Tax General $21,997,199 $4,679,263 2,657,200 14,660,736 General-Outside Village 1,780,166 958,174 344,246 477,746 Highway-Townwide 0 100 16,000 (16,100) Highway-Outside Village 4,739,679 318,332 339,900 4,081,447 Community Development 159,000 159,000 0 Risk Retention Fund 1,055,000 1,055,000 0 Community Preservation Fund 4,606,000 4,606,000 0 0 Employees Health Plan 2,411,400 2,036,400 375,000 0 $36,748,444 $13,812,269 $3,357,346 19,203,829 East-West Fire Protection $464,393 $2,000 $4,350 458,043 District Fishers Island Ferry District 2,389,000 1,989,000 400,000 Solid Waste Management 4,023,733 2,096,200 168,000 1,759,533 District Southold Wastewater District 111,790 14,000 75,000 22,790 Fishers Island Sewer District 20,000 17,700 2,300 0 F.I. Waste Management District 563,500 563,500 Orient Mosquito District 76,285 76,285 $7,648,701 $4,118,900 $249,650 3,280,151 Orient-East Marion Park District $27,655 $37 $27,618 Southold Park District 315,000 315,000 Cutchogue-New Suffolk Park 141,000 141,000 Dist. Mattituck Park District 504,910 18,800 60,000 426,110 $988,565 $18,837 $60,000 $909,728 Fishers Island Fire District $343,300 $3,300 $340,000 Orient Fire District 356,540 2,000 354,540 East Marion Fire District 427,342 8,640 418,702 Southold Fire District 1,358,392 21,000 1,337,392 Cutchogue Fire District 1,413,000 1,400 1,411,600 Page 3 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting Mattituck Fire District 1,818,135 1,818,135 $5,716,709 $36,340 $0 $5,680,369 $14,353,975 $4,174,077 $309,650 $9,870,248 $51,102,419 $17,986,346 $3,666,996 $29,074,077 COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: There is a notice that this has appeared on the Town Clerk’s bulleting Board outside. It has appeared as a legal in the newspaper, certifications to that effect. rd It appeared in the newspaper in the November 3 issue. And I believe that that is the only notices that I have in this file. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you, Councilman Wickham. Would anyone care to address the Board? Yes, Mr. Corwin. DAVID CORWIN: My name is David Corwin. I live in Greenport. And first thing I would like th to do is give you credit for holding the budget to, my calculations on your September 30 sheet, 1.11% and you deserve credit for holding the increase. I want to make a couple of general comments and one specific one. The first thing I want to do is make a comment, an article I took st out of Fortune magazine, May 31, 2004. The $366 billion budget outrage, all across America state and city workers are retiring early with unthinkably rich pay packages. Guess who is paying for them? You are. Now of course, you guys all have a dog in that fight because you are getting these retirement benefits, too, but I want to tell you, as a taxpayer that civil service jobs, if you went back 20 or 30 years ago, they got paid a little bit less for the benefits and the security. Now they are getting very handsome salaries and they define benefits and security. It is too much. And they have documented it here, if any of you are interested in reading it I would make a copy for you. It is important because these things are going to come home to roost in the next 10 years. SUPERVISOR HORTON: You don’t have to make a copy, if you could just tell me the issue? MR. CORWIN: Fortune magazine, May 31, 2004. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you. MR. CORWIN: And I want to be specific of some of the workers that we all know are paid too high and that is the police department. I don’t think any of you want to admit it in public, I think you would admit it in private and if we go to your police department line item, you have got a 5.6% increase for the police department for this coming year, which is great. And then interestingly enough, we go a little further along in the budget, we see police retirement and employee benefits a 36% increase in police retirement. That is 20% of the whole police budget, without counting the salaries. So you have got to add the whole police budget and the benefits together to see how much this thing is costing. So my point is and I think I am accurate. These police salaries are very handsome and like I said, you are not going to get up there and say it, they are not going to vote for you. And the way you have to address this is, you have to go up to Albany and deal with this binding arbitration nonsense. It imposes these mandates on you of Page 4 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting what you can pay police officers. That brings me back to the point I want to make specifically. And that is in the police budget that went up 5.6%. When I come back here in spring of 2006 and start complaining about motorcycle noise, I don’t want to hear from the Chief, that gee, the Town Board cut us, we don’t have any money. I want you to put money in the budget to enforce this motorcycle thing. It is a blight. These motorcycle people are outlaws… SUPERVISOR HORTON: David? There is ample money in the budget to deal with that particular issue and to deal with all the issues. It is an issue of personnel power and dedicate them to that job and I think we, you and I have discussed this, A. on the street and here and I have appreciated your being aggressive and assertive on this matter and I, I won’t be here in the spring but I can tell you that for the past two summers, even with the unwarranted and childish attacks of Mayor Kapell on the police department and on myself, we have still stood our ground and continued to enforce that. Is the, has the problem been eradicated? No, it hasn’t. And I have thanked you in the past for acknowledging that it is better and we will just have to continue to make it better and if the Chief tells you there is not the money or the manpower or the personnel power to do so; I would like to know about that directly because that is just simply false. MR. CORWIN: Well… SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is just simply false. MR. CORWIN: Well, you just said it yourself, you are not going to be here. So, you made up the budget… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right. But I live right around the corner from you, so I will be at the podium, kicking and screaming about it. MR. CORWIN: You are not as close as I am. But my point is, I am just going to keep coming up here and complaining about motorcycles because they are not doing enough, what ever they are doing. And I acknowledge they have done some things. It is not enough. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right. MR. CORWIN: And finally, I want to go to this last page, salaries of elected officials. Supervisor, $86,000. Town Board members, $29,000. And of course, there is retirement benefits and medical benefits. The Clerk is getting a nice salary. The Superintendent of Highways, $90,000. Assessor, $62,000 plus benefits. These salaries are too high for people who are earning the handsome benefits that civil servants are making and the job security they have. And I want to ask you to hold the line on these salaries in the future and I have got to tell you, if any of these people don’t want the jobs, let them go. Because there is plenty of people behind them that will take the jobs. Thank you. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you, Mr. Corwin. Appreciate your persistence in watching the activities of the Town Board and the Village Board. Certainly appreciate that. Yes, sir? Page 5 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SANFORD HANAUER: My name is Sanford Hanauer. I live in Mattituck. And I am the co- chairman of the Architectural Review Committee, ARC. I would like to read a memo to you, to the Board. “It has come to our attention that no funds have been made available in the 2006 for a secretary to record the minutes of the meetings of the ARC. We feel that the Committee requires a total of about $750 for this purpose. It is essential that we have a secretary in order to send our written comments on to the Planning Board to expedite the approval process.” SUPERVISOR HORTON: Great. Thank you. In fact, would you mind giving me a copy of that memo? We will be meeting on, I believe Thursday morning, we are going to set a, or Wednesday morning. Thank you. We will just need one. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Please have that distributed in our packages. Mr. Yakaboski. GREG YAKABOSKI: Greg Yakaboski, Southold. Good afternoon. Just a way, I think that the Town Board members salary is actually too low in compare to the Supervisor’s salary. I don’t think that it reflects the work involved that the individual Board members put in vis-à-vis what the Supervisor does. It is no reflection on who is sitting in the Supervisor’s chair, I just know it is a lot of work on the Town Board level. COUNCILMAN ROSS: Thank you, Greg. MR. YAKABOSKI: A few questions regarding the budget. With respect to the notice that was published in the paper, it is on the back of the first page, I believe of the budget. I am sure you don’t have it here today, but if there is any way of getting the last, say, three or four years laid out like this, what the actual expenditures were for, say, take 2002, 3 and 4. You know what your dollars were, you could lay it out or ‘05 you have projected and then you have ’06, you have a point of reference… SUPERVISOR HORTON: So you are saying in the future, future notices have that point of reference in the notification? MR. YAKABOSKI: Not even necessarily in the notification, Josh, but just if somebody comes in and asks, it is just a sheet easily available, just to grab it. Because at one point I was trying to get it, it was, maybe I was saying it wrong but it was, the information I am requesting is kind of laid out in different spots but not in one easy, so for example, you could see, I will pick a year, ’03, the actual total budget in ‘03 for the Town might have been, I don’t know, 25, maybe it was 37….. SUPERVISOR HORTON: You are asking what you actually spent in that year? MR. YAKABOSKI: Yeah, so you could see what actually happened….because what happens is… SUPERVISOR HORTON: So you would like that made available in future budget processes. Page 6 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MR. YAKABOSKI: I think that would be helpful. If I had it available this year, that would be great. SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is a good idea. MR. YAKABOSKI: Just for example… SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, you have made it clear. Definitely. It is a good idea. We will see if we can make that happen. MR. YAKABOSKI: Just one point of reference for the rest of Board is that people talk in percentages a lot, tax increases like that, I was more focused on actual cash. Because sometimes a tax increase or decrease might not reflect actual increases in operating cash needed for an organization. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right. MR. YAKABOSKI: The other question I have and it might be in one of your papers, I don’t know, I forget the name John Cushman calls it but each year, at the end of the year, you keep seed money available. Not part of the budget, just in case the taxes don’t start flowing right away. I can’t think, I am going to call that ‘surplus dollars you actually keep’… SUPERVISOR HORTON: It is actually the general fund. MR. YAKABOSKI: But it is not calculated how much you are going to need for the next year versus… SUPERVISOR HORTON: In fact, actually it is. A portion of the fund balance is appropriated to the next year’s budget. So, if for example, at the end of ’05, we are projecting $2,000,000 of fund balance, then the Board can decide to use how much, they can use all of that fund balance towards next years budget or then can use a portion of it. But that money is all part of the general fund. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay. And then piggybacking off my first request then, it would be nice to see year to year, do you keep $2,000,000 each year? Do you keep $3,000,000 or does one person keep three and the next person keeps one? Just to see what that is. That is again, it would be nice to know. Again, if it was available shortly I would request it. If it is something you are going to have spend two weeks on, you know? The other question I had was and this might have been published but I know Josh, you do a budget first, the Town Board looks at it and you come forward with a budget. Were there any changes made by you as a group to Josh’s budget and if so, what were they? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes. They were, I don’t believe there is a summary there but there were a number of changes made by the Board. Page 7 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MR. YAKABOSKI: Is there a grand total of that in dollars added, decreased? SUPERVISOR HORTON: I don’t know it off the top of my head but there is a number, yes. What it is off the top of my head, I don’t know. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: I think we could say that the original budget that the Supervisor proposed was essentially flat, with no increase at all in taxes. When the Town Board finished looking at it, it has what you see in front of you, which is about a 1.9% increase. MR. YAKABOSKI: What is a 1% increase this year? SUPERVISOR HORTON: You are looking at probably, I would say, I would say $165,000. So you are probably looking at the better part of $230,000 added. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Somewhere in that neighborhood. MR. YAKABOSKI: Next question I had regarding budget process. This question deals with the department heads and the Boards interaction. The way the process works is the budget, the department head puts together a budget, submits that to the Supervisor and the Board for here is what I would like to have. Is there any process by which the full Town Board sits down with each department head or each Board member on an individual basis… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yeah, over the course of the budget process, what happens, the way it th works is by the end of, by, there is a certain date the department heads, I believe it is July 30 have to have their budget requests on file at the Town Clerk’s office for the Supervisor. The th Supervisor then has until September 30 to put together the Supervisor’s budget. Once that budget is delivered to the Town Clerk’s office, the Town Board then meets and this year they met through a series of work sessions and had department heads come in and meet with the Town Board as a whole, as a body to just say ‘well, we would like these adjustments, these are out certain requests, we thought this over in greater detail, you know, we don’t need this but we could actually use this’ and that process takes place over, I think actually the Board spent about a month going… MR. YAKABOSKI: So you had all department heads filter through, through the work session process? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes. We have traditionally done that. MR. YAKABOSKI: The other question I had was the police budget. This is a little bit going from the papers, there was a comment that the police budget (inaudible), the paper had in there that there wasn’t a lot of money for overtime. The police chief was quoted and I will take that with a grain of salt from the papers, as there is a not a lot of money and he had a tight budget to work with. Was there any, was there money put in for overtime with the police chief’s budget? Page 8 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: There was not the amount that the Chief requested for overtime dollars in my budget that was delivered to the Town Board and I believe the Town Board has maintained some, a number in that neighborhood of what I recommended. The police department now is well-staffed and should be staffed in a position to not require a tremendous amount of overtime, particularly in holding overtime throughout the winter months in reserves for allocation in the summer months, when extra people are needed to do certain shifts. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay. With respect to parks, a couple of quick questions. Does the budget contain any funding for either acquisition of new parks or the improvement of existing parks and what I mean parks is I am not talking say, the open space, but like a Tasker Park or something along that line? Or the improvement of any, major improvements not just your regular lawn cutting you know, maintenance but improvements to any existing parks, to the parks? In addition, the town lost the bowling alley a year and a half, two years ago up in Mattituck and does the budget contain any lines or funding or some focus to gain a recreational amenity to make up for what was lost? SUPERVISOR HORTON: We have a grant application into the federal government which we so far as we understand has been received openly and I should say, it has been well received and that is to make significant improvements to the Peconic Center to make it more of a community center and enable people to utilize it in many different ways and offer different and expanded programs there. As far as, is there money in the budget to build a bowling alley, no. In fact, the bowling alley went out of business because people didn’t bowl, so I wouldn’t put the town in the business of a business that has failed or put the town in that business at all. But that being said, there is not money in the budget to build a new recreation center. We do have a funding request in to make major renovations to our current facility on Peconic Lane. MR. YAKABOSKI: With respect to that grant application, Josh, I am glad to hear there is such a grant application in; a lot of times those grant applications require matching funds or a percentage of funds things like that… SUPERVISOR HORTON: This does not. MR. YAKABOSKI: This does not. So it would be a wholly funded, fully funded project? SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is correct. MR. YAKABOSKI: And are there any provisions in the park for say, this is just an example, tennis courts, basketball courts, volleyball courts? SUPERVISOR HORTON: We actually have, we have considerable amount of money in, well, considerable, that is a relative term but we do have money in our parks and recreation fund and we have made improvements to parks throughout town over the past couple of years and I would assume in ’06 that the Board will continue that momentum. And Jim McMahon has actually done a very good job, sometimes improvements to parks pop up that you wouldn’t know about Page 9 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting through the budget process and all of a sudden springtime comes around and you think, ‘wow, you know what? There is a real need for this, we have the money, so let’s do it.’ So there is ample funding for park improvements. MR. YAKABOSKI: One question along that line, is the soccer field, football field in Cochran Park, I don’t know if there is any lighting there right now. I know it has come up in the past that lighting might be helpful for some lacrosse practices just to alleviate crunch during daytime. Do you know if there is any provisions for lighting? At that particular field? SUPERVISOR HORTON: There are, there is tremendous amount of lighting at that field right now. MR. YAKABOSKI: For the baseball fields. SUPERVISOR HORTON: For the baseball fields, right. There aren’t plans, at least I haven’t seen plans or had any requests for lighting at that park any further than what we have. MR. YAKABOSKI: So nothing from your park and recreation committee that lighting would be needed? SUPERVISOR HORTON: I haven’t seen, I haven’t had that request made to me, no. MR. YAKABOSKI: I will put in for my own behalf and I know a couple of other people mentioned to me that, that field, if it was lit, given the acceptance of soccer or the proliferation of soccer in the town plus lacrosse really coming up which requires that kind of field, not the baseball field; I would ask the Board to consider perhaps an amendment to the budget for some lighting or at least to see, the other fund you talked about, the existing dollars, for lighting at that particular field. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay. MR. YAKABOSKI: With respect to farmland development rights and open space; I was just wondering how much is budgeted, I don’t know if the 4.6 in the Community Preservation Fund answers that and under today’s prices, how much acreage does that roughly translate into? If I am at the right number? SUPERVISOR HORTON: I don’t know off the top of my head. But we have 4.6 currently in the CPF and then there are, I believe four bond issues that have been authorized but not yet activated. MR. YAKABOSKI: Those are still available? I was wondering about that. With respect to some environmental questions about water quality, wetlands, scallops, shellfish fishery issues. In this particular budget, are there any, does it fund any designated storm water run-off projects? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, a number of them. Page 10 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MR. YAKABOSKI: Do you have any specific, which particular projects or? SUPERVISOR HORTON: I have a full list actually tonight we should be voting on a resolution that authorizes a $100,000 grant to take the work that my storm water committee has done and put it into a comprehensive storm water management plan and on that list, you know, within the context of that plan, there are several areas that we have not yet touched that we need to and several areas that we actually have, where we have seen water quality actually improve, like in Mattituck Creek; there has been a water quality improvement there. The DEC has said our numbers are getting better. So there is money in this year’s budget for more water quality. In fact, I want to congratulate this administration, this Town Board over the past four years, this one and the one before, for taking those matters seriously because we are actually starting to see the fruits of our labor come to bear. MR. YAKABOSKI: So there, just so I have this straight in my head, there are particular projects… SUPERVISOR HORTON: There is money in the budget for storm water remediation. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay. Do you know roughly how much? SUPERVISOR HORTON: In, and also for ’06, no, I don’t know off the top of my head. It is in excess of $100,000. MR. YAKABOSKI: And is any of that funding based on, is that going to go… SUPERVISOR HORTON: We have to prioritize those projects. We also have a tremendous amount of money in, I shouldn’t say tremendous, we have a fair amount of money in grants for storm water projects as well. There was some projects that we were going to use the grant money for that we decided we didn’t need to, so we have been able to reserve some of those grants for larger projects and consolidating some of them. MR. YAKABOSKI: Is there a way, without the specific list in front of me and what it might cost, you know, my questions are kind of limited in that area, is there a way within a short period of time, a couple of weeks, to get a list of the different projects that the budget contemplates? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Oh, absolutely, yeah. MR. YAKABOSKI: Who would I contact for that? SUPERVISOR HORTON: You can contact my office for that. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Greg, your question about… SUPERVISOR HORTON: I would be happy in January to give you a call. Page 11 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Your question about $4.6 million in the CPF, how many acres? MR. YAKABOSKI: Yeah, I was just going off the… COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: That would somewhere between 100 and 150 acres. MR. YAKABOSKI: Is the, I know you have the bond money so, it would fall back on that. With respect to the LWRP and this might be redundant in the last question, are the specific projects under the LWRP, which the Town Board has targeted, which grant applications have been applied for, a lot of times again, with the grant applications one concern I have… SUPERVISOR HORTON: The question is redundant. The, but fair. Actually the resolution we are adopting tonight… MR. YAKABOSKI: There were two tonight. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yeah. Those are both LWRP related. We have been working with Cornell on comprehensive storm water mitigation plan, so there are a number of projects that, you know, we hope to tap into the LWRP funding for. If that money hasn’t dried up yet. MR. YAKABOSKI: And those… SUPERVISOR HORTON: You have to be careful with grants, though. Everybody talks about wanting a grant writer and grant, grant, grant but you have to remember and Dave Corwin, I think, you will attest to this, the Village of Greenport largely is in a tremendous amount of debt because of the amount of grants that they have gotten because most of the grants require 50% match and when you rely heavily on grants, you have to be very careful of that because it is not free money. It still comes at a cost to the taxpayer here in town directly. So we have been very careful about the grants we apply for and make sure that they are practical for our township, that they are necessary for our township and that our end can be handled in a reasonable fashion. MR. YAKABOSKI: Well, that is exactly what my concern is. I am a big proponent of the storm water runoff, the wetlands development, that kind of thing but with the two grants, I was even going to ask about them later tonight, the two grants you had on tonight, one question is, what is the source of the funding for those grants, they will be fully funded… SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is state funded and our contribution is in-kind services. We actually did the work. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay. But you don’t want… SUPERVISOR HORTON: And I have been able to maintain that throughout the past four years that most of the grants related to storm water remediation, our contribution has been the in-kind services of actually implementing the drainage…. Page 12 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MR. YAKABOSKI: Not that you guys would do this but some other folks, other towns, they list a bunch of projects they are going to get grant money for it but then don’t fund the matching or in-kind services and the whole thing falls apart. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Or they do what other municipalities do, they may get a grant for a pump-out boat; take that grant money, spend it and then have to go borrow money to pay for the pump-out boat. I have seen that happen in neighboring municipalities as well. MR. YAKABOSKI: The other question I have regarding environmental is, are there any projects within the budget or any funding within the budget focusing in on (inaudible) speaking of folks who have been in town a long time (inaudible) the shellfish, the fisheries. So my next two questions deal with deal with shellfish and fisheries. Scallops, clams and flounder… SUPERVISOR HORTON: We don’t have money in the budget specifically for scallop remediation or scallop enhancement program. That is actually something that has been tackled on a county wide basis. And the county has put in close to $3 million over the past two years for eel grass, eel bed restoration and actually a mass scallop seeding program over the past couple of years. We don’t have money in the budget, no, specifically related to scallop ground or scallop habitat restoration. MR. YAKABOSKI: What about along the lines, Josh, of, I recognize…. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Are you asking me to put that in? MR. YAKABOSKI: No. What I would focus in on or ask that the Board have somebody in town focusing in on almost the Town Board receiving, say, monthly reports, is an advocate on behalf of the Town, which has a lot of power in and of itself, to touch base with the county, touch base with the state…. SUPERVISOR HORTON: We have, that system is in place. That system is in place. In fact, largely through my office and through Jim McMahon and through our shellfish committee and the Board of Trustees work very closely with the county. In fact, the reason the county put so much into it is because a number of us on the east end, through the East End Supervisor’s and Mayor’s Organization, got together and lobbied for that money and were successful in having the county step to the plate and actually do that. MR. YAKABOSKI: One thing which is help, let’s say farmland preservation, is that there has been monthly reports and people can focus in on things. I would request that, again not that you put money in specifically to fund 100,000 scallops but to continue with the focus on scallops, on all the relevant agencies from the county, state, feds, right on down. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yeah, that system is in place within the infrastructure of Town Hall. MR. YAKABOSKI: And the second thing would be, don’t laugh, but flounder. Used to a big mainstay out here. Page 13 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: What? MR. YAKABOSKI: Flounder. A fishery that has been severely depleted for a whole number of reasons. But again, focusing in on this, the Town advocating on behalf of the community and keeping an eye on that type of issue. I would ask that that be done. Eelgrass is already addressed. Financing. There are three big projects that I am aware of, which are the recycling center, the animal shelter and the new Town Hall. And my question, basically the town is going to borrow for all those projects. And the principal interest payments are going to be owed…. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Particularly for the upfront, yes. MR. YAKABOSKI: Correct. My question is, in this budget are principal interest payments currently allocated? The reason I ask the question is this… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Let me tell you this. The answer is yes. For any bonds that have been authorized, it is not a matter of whether we want to or not, you have to include the money to pay your bond. MR. YAKABOSKI: Correct but the reason I ask the question… SUPERVISOR HORTON: The funding for the transfer station and the payment for the animal shelter are both included in the ’06 budget. MR. YAKABOSKI: The reason I ask the question is there is something in my head about somebody told me once, that when you start a project, say in ’05 through bonding-say $1,000,000? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Mmmhmm. MR. YAKABOSKI: The principal and interest payments don’t have to be included until ’07. SUPERVISOR HORTON: No. ’06. If you start in ’05, your payment will be due in ’06. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay. I just wanted to clarify that, that that was…. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yeah. MR. YAKABOSKI: ….out there. SUPERVISOR HORTON: In fact, we have been very fortunate because of the Board’s fiscal policies and budgets of recent years. Moody’s has actually upgraded our bond rating to the highest that it has ever been in the Town. MR. YAKABOSKI: What is the current bond rating? Page 14 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: A1. Has positioned us to actually achieve much better rates and we have refinanced some of the Town’s past debt. So if you look at the debt scenario of the Town, you will see in the early ‘90’s the Town Board actually borrowed money to fund their contribution to the New York State retirement system, whereas, you know, if you start borrowing for operating costs, you are in bad shape. So what we have been able to do is not borrow for any operating costs and refinance some of that old debt. We have seen quite a bit of savings through that. And had put the Board, the Town in a very strong fiscal position for any future borrowing for capital costs. MR. YAKABOSKI: The new Town Hall, I saw in the capital budget, I guess would not, the principal interest payments would not be included in this budget… SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is correct. MR. YAKABOSKI: ….because that hasn’t started yet. The same with the waste water treatment and the existing Town Hall mildew and mold problem? All listed in the capital budget. Those principal interest payments would not be included in the ’06 budget? SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is correct. That is correct. And that is because and you know this through your many years of service in the Town Attorney’s department, that when a number is put in the capital budget, that is not necessarily appropriated. That is saying, if you are going to borrow, you have to tell the people what you possibly, what you may borrow for in the next year. The Town Hall project has been in the capital budget for many years, but hasn’t yet come to fruition. And that would be the same case, same, you know, in the ‘06 capital budget. MR. YAKABOSKI: With respect to employee salaries and benefits, there was a back and forth about three years ago over how much the town should fund or put in the budget for the upcoming retirement benefits and the question I guess would go for salaries, excuse me, healthcare and retirement benefits. If I recall the question arose was, Josh, you took one position and I think the state was advocating more conservative, thus more dollars position on how much should be funded in that particular year for… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Is your question, is that adequately funded? The answer is yes. MR. YAKABOSKI: And my question is, is the state making a different recommendation or are we in line with the state’s recommendation? SUPERVISOR HORTON: We are, we actually, this year because of that fiasco back then, we at the town level have forced the state to come up with accurate numbers, well in advance of our budget process. So these are the accurate numbers that we will be required…. MR. YAKABOSKI: So they are in line with what the state is projecting? SUPERVISOR HORTON: They are. They are in line with what the state will be requesting. Page 15 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MR. YAKABOSKI: Because you know it is not, I am just… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yeah. MR. YAKABOSKI: Also, a lot of the work takes place, nitty gritty, takes place not here necessarily at a, just at a public hearing or at a regular Town Board sessions but at the work sessions. I could be wrong but right now, I do not believe the work sessions are currently on tape with Cablevision? SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, they are not. MR. YAKABOSKI: My requests would be to the Town Board in the interest of just showing the whole community watching the actual work taking place, is that the Board consider funding or making a request, I am not sure if we have to pay for it to Cablevision, to actual cover Town Board work sessions where a lot of the thought, the facts are thrown back and forth. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, you may want to come back in January and make that request because that is something I will never advocate for. So, I appreciate the point. MR. YAKABOSKI: May I ask why? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yeah but we are here to have a budget discussion so we will talk about Cablevision issues some other time maybe when you catch me in the hallway or something. MR. YAKABOSKI: Well, it is a budget discussion because it is a line item but, that is why I was asking, just to show. Affordable housing, does the budget contain any fund with respect to affordable housing? I know you do have in there, I can’t remember the title and the gentleman’s name he works with Karen, what was his name? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Is his position funded? Yes. MR. YAKABOSKI: No, I know his position but other than that, is there any focus either through employees or direct funding for affordable housing? SUPERVISOR HORTON: I wouldn’t say funding, no, because the, you know, projects and issues that will come forward will be in conjunction with the private sector. We would hope that the private sector and on a case by case basis, if county funding is required that is where the funding would be drawn from. MR. YAKABOSKI: I wasn’t sure sometimes that the Town if they work with the grant project and things like that for direct involvement…. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Our, any, that would all be personnel resources and those resources Page 16 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting are available. MR. YAKABOSKI: That was my question. Planning, is the position vacated by Valerie Scopaz earlier this year, was it funded in this budget? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes. MR. YAKABOSKI: The Building Department. The Building Department, as is all of Town Hall, service oriented. It is one of the real basis of Town Hall interaction liaison points between the community and town government, the question is, the department head, what (inaudible) did he receive what he requested? Did he not receive what he requested? What was cut out and why? SUPERVISOR HORTON: I would have to look at the, my budget papers, which have a lot of red on them and a lot of pencil and pen marks on them and those budget papers are not before me right now. MR. YAKABOSKI: Any other Board members recall? If he came in for a work session, you might remember? COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: He did come in to a work…. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yeah, they asked for additional, for brand new trucks, they asked for computers, they asked for a lot of things. That, a number of things that I thought weren’t needed at this time, particularly given the increase in healthcare and pension costs and rising costs of fuel and operational costs that I didn’t include in the Supervisor’s budget to the Town Board. MR. YAKABOSKI: Did the… COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: And we also did not add much and we… SUPERVISOR HORTON: They asked for some new people, as well. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: And we did meet with him and I think at the end he was satisfied, reasonably satisfied with how the budget is presented. MR. YAKABOSKI: Currently does anybody on the Board know and I do not know this answer, how long one waits when they put in just a basic house application? COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: How long what? SUPERVISOR HORTON: That can depend, well, as you know, there are a lot of variables in that. MR. YAKABOSKI: Correct. But say a fully filled out application. Page 17 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, it is not a matter of whether an application is fully filled out, it is a matter of, you know, it is very difficult to answer that because that would be very specific to the property and to the project. MR. YAKABOSKI: So in other words, the town, the Board members or the department head is not receiving a lot of critique from the builders in the community… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Actually… MR. YAKABOSKI: …that it is taking too long? SUPERVISOR HORTON: …you get… MR. YAKABOSKI: I don’t know. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Either you get mixed feedback. In fact, about 18 months ago I was still, even two years ago, receiving a lot of feedback that things were taking too long and a lot of it had to do with interdepartmental communication and we developed a system by which getting the departments to communicate much more effectively with the applicant or the client and that has proven to be very successful. Of course, there are times where things do take too long or from the applicant’s position they think it takes too long but those get dealt with on a case by case basis. But I would say, since we put that system in place, I have had, unlike my first two years in office, I’ve, since we have put this in place we have had, you know, those meetings include the Town Attorney, the Building Department, Planning Department and perhaps the Zoning if that is going to be an issue and I have had more compliments than negative feedback on the process as a whole over the past 18 months, so things are working. I am sure things, you know, there are always improvements that can be made. MR. YAKABOSKI: The reason I asked, under the budget, under this budget hearing is one of the things that worked out very well for me just one time I was in there was with the computers, being able to pull up the different plans, how beneficial having the whole department computerized had been. And if there were still other service issues, they might have come up to the number of personnel, computers, that kind of thing which might have made the process easier. That was all. SUPERVISOR HORTON: We don’t need more personnel in the Building Department. It is a matter of vigilance and communication. MR. YAKABOSKI: My guess is, and I have not been paying attention but the answer to this is yes because it was a big issue I guess in the election, but the budget for the landfill for Wednesday’s, that is back in? COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Yes. Page 18 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: Is it? I didn’t think, I didn’t realize that was a big election issue. I will say… MR. YAKABOSKI: It seemed to come a couple of times from different people, I read some literature. SUPERVISOR HORTON: I am sure. I am sure. Every time you make change, it is an issue. I would say that the Town Board would save money if they maintained that program, but that is a Board decision for ’06. COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: I would imply that it does imply that it starts on January 1 but the money is there to turn it on when it is appropriate, given the construction going on out there. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay. Just two more questions. With respect to fees and revenues, as opposed from taxes, does this budget rely on any projected fee increases which have not yet been enacted? SUPERVISOR HORTON: No. MR. YAKABOSKI: For example, SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, we haven’t, we haven’t put in there any projected fee increase which have not yet been legislated or put forth by resolution. MR. YAKABOSKI: So all the fees and any projections on your fees and revenues are pretty much all set in stone.. SUPERVISOR HORTON: They are, what is in the budget is the fees that are on the books right now. MR. YAKABOSKI: And last question, with respect, I will just treat the landfill since you have that project going on, was there any and it might be already but in terms of trying to keep electric costs and other power costs down, does the project out there include any use of say the methane gas that comes out through those pipes for powering anything and or solar…. SUPERVISOR HORTON: We had a number of different engineers look at the possibility of harnessing wind or even utilizing methane and the amount of methane that is actually produced is not enough to generate any substantial power for the facility. Which is a good thing, we have a not particularly ‘hot’ landfill. MR. YAKABOSKI: Josh, I know you are stepping out of office shortly, with respect to some of those information requests that I have, is it best to give it to your office or should I contact, for example, when I started out with just having some of the projections from the previous years, should I contact Accounting directly? I am not trying to… Page 19 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: You can contact me directly, that would be fine. MR. YAKABOSKI: Does the Board vote on this tonight or does it go on the November 22? th SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, we actually have to have the budget adopted by November 20 by state law. So we are, at this evening’s meeting be scheduling a special meeting for, hopefully, Wednesday but I will have to confer with the Board for this coming Wednesday or possibly this coming Thursday. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay. I will reiterate my request to the Board about the lighting at the field at Cochran Park. The big football/soccer field. It also can be used for lacrosse. Lacrosse is a very fast growing sport, soccer is very fast growing in town and I know you are correct, Josh, that the ball fields are very well light, they are not used as much as say the soccer or the lacrosse… SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, that is very true. And we could turn them around. Thank you very much. MR. YAKABOSKI: Thank you very much for your time. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Have a great evening. Good to see you. We will, well, we won’t close the hearing, we will recess the hearing until 7:30 I believe. So this hearing is recessed until 7:30. We will reconvene as a Board at 7:00 to commence the 7:00 PM public meeting of the Southold Town Board. Vote Record - Public Hearing #1 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ? Adjourned ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Initiator ?? Closed ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Seconder Minutes Approval » Accept the Minutes of 8/30/2005 7:30 PM Vote Record - Minutes Acceptance of August 30, 2005 7:30 PM ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ? Accepted ?????????? Accepted as Amended Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ???????? Louisa P. Evans Initiator ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter Page 20 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting » Accept the Minutes of 9/13/2005 4:30 PM Vote Record - Minutes Acceptance of September 13, 2005 4:30 PM ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ? Accepted ?????????? Accepted as Amended Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ???????? Louisa P. Evans Initiator ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter » Accept the Minutes of 10/4/2005 2:00 PM Vote Record - Minutes Acceptance of October 4, 2005 2:00 PM ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ? Accepted ?????????? Accepted as Amended Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ???????? Louisa P. Evans Initiator ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter Resolutions 2005-6861 CATEGORY: Set Meeting DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk Set November 16, 2005, 2:00 P.M., At the Southold Town Hall As the Time and Place for a Special Meeting RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will hold a Special Town Board meeting on, Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at the Southold Town Hall, Southold, New York at 2:00 P. M., with a work session . Vote Record - Resolution 2005-6861 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Voter Adopted as Amended ?????????? Defeated Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Initiator 2005-686 CATEGORY: Set Meeting DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk Page 21 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting Tuesday, November 22, 2005 At 7:30 P.M. As the Next Regular Town Board Meeting RESOLVED that the next Regular Town Board Meeting of the Southold Town Board be held, Tuesday, November 22, 2005 at the Southold Town Hall, Southold, New York at 7:30 P. M.. Vote Record - Resolution 2005-686 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Initiator ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-687 CATEGORY: Audit DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk Approve Audit of November 10, 2005 RESOLVED approves the audit dated that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby November 10, 2005. Vote Record - Resolution 2005-687 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Voter Adopted as Amended ?????????? Defeated Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Initiator ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter SUPERVISOR HORTON: Welcome to the 7:00 PM. public meeting of the Southold Town Board. Please rise and join with me in the Pledge of Allegiance. We will move right in to our agenda. We have a few resolutions to deal with this evening. And we will move forward, first with the Town Board business of the audit. Would anybody care to address the Board on resolutions that are before us today? Yes, Mrs. Egan. JOAN EGAN: Joan Egan, East Marion. I haven’t gotten all of it but I have two so far. One is resolution 695. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, 695, I am looking for that. Page 22 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MS. EGAN: That is the resignation. SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is correct. A dispatcher is leaving employment with Southold Town police department. MS. EGAN: And that is a very sad thing because he was a fantastic dispatcher. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, hopefully we will get him back. We are going to address some of the issues that result in the departure of many of our dispatchers. Generally related to salary and we are going to adjust those. MS. EGAN: Well, I won’t go into all of it. You know (inaudible) and that is what happens. Now, 694… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, we can’t go backward here, Mrs. Egan. MS. EGAN: Pardon? You can’t go back but you have to look back… SUPERVISOR HORTON: This is simply a budget modification. MS. EGAN: Yeah. Now, does that mean more money or… SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, it is from within the budget. MS. EGAN: So what does it mean, then? SUPERVISOR HORTON: It means we are moving $3,000 from one place in the budget to another line in the budget for gasoline and oil. MS. EGAN: Ah. Rob Peter to pay Paul. Now, 697, those are vehicles that belonged to the police department? SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is correct. MS. EGAN: Now, 698. Oh, these are all from the different departments. That is good maybe we will get some money back there. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay. MS. EGAN: Now, 699. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes. Page 23 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MS. EGAN: Well, people are very, very upset about how that’s been running up there and very, very upset. And I am sorry you didn’t include in our Pledge of Allegiance a prayer to the Southold School over here, problems. SUPERVISOR HORTON: What other resolutions would you like to address, Mrs. Egan? MS. EGAN: I shall get to that. Um, 701, they need more money? SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is a donation that we are receiving. It is a donation. MS. EGAN: They were donations to them? SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, it is a donation to the Human Resource Center. MS. EGAN: From whom? SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is not to be disclosed on this resolution. MS. EGAN: Oh, it is from outside sources? SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is correct. MS. EGAN: Good, they need it. Got to get that place running better. Now, 702? It is a leave of absence? SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is correct. MS. EGAN: Do they get paid for that or is that on them? SUPERVISOR HORTON: They will be utilizing accrued sick time for that. MS. EGAN: And again here, we are on 704, that is the dump thing, right? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes. MS. EGAN: Better take better care of these things. People are getting very discouraged. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay. MS. EGAN: And 705, what is that all about? SUPERVISOR HORTON: 705 is a request to the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation that that agency assume lead agency in the SEQRA review. The SEQRA review pertaining to an application for annexation made by KACE, LLC. Page 24 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MS. EGAN: No, I did notice, I think, on the front, there was an application made for a liquor license something, a restaurant for one of the wineries. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Not for a restaurant, no. MS. EGAN: For something in the wineries. Now, the 706? th SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, that is setting a public hearing for December 6, which I am sure you will be at. MS. EGAN: Yeah. And I notice that the next Town Hall meeting will again be on a Thursday? SUPERVISOR HORTON: No. The next regularly scheduled Town Board meeting is for a Tuesday. MS. EGAN: It is usually… SUPERVISOR HORTON: We set a special Board meeting for next Wednesday. MS. EGAN: I see. May I ask how your budget hearing went? SUPERVISOR HORTON: The 4:00 one, I thought, was very productive. We had good input from all those who were in attendance. MS. EGAN: And you were pleased that it went smoothly? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, I thought it was productive, yes. MS. EGAN: Productive. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes. MS. EGAN: An interesting word. Thank you. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you. On the resolutions, are there any questions? Yes, Greg. GREG YAKABOSKI: Good evening, Greg Yakaboski, Southold. Just had a question on 691, 692 and 706. Just more informational questions. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Hang on one second. 691? MR. YAKABOSKI: Correct. We talked about this a little earlier, Josh. I am just wondering exactly what that 150 would do? What is it going to do for us? If you know. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Actually implementation of Southold’s Local Waterfront Revitalization Program in the amount of $150,000. This is actually exercising grant, requesting Page 25 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting payment for a grant that we were awarded that had much to do with quite a bit of the Chapter 97 re-write and Cornell’s participation in that and other area’s of participation from Cornell with, associated with LWRP including, in addition to the Trustee work, including the comprehensive stormwater mitigation plan. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay. Same question on 692, Josh. SUPERVISOR HORTON: This one is more specific to the stormwater management work that we have been doing and this is, we are doing a comprehensive stormwater management, stormwater mitigation plan for the town. MR. YAKABOSKI: And this is field work or more in the still planning stage? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Actually quite a bit of both. Planning stages and field work. The documentation of all what we call non-point source pollution areas, road ends. We have also documented with overhead aerials and also GPS positions, different road ends and also areas that aren’t road ends but where run-off accumulates into the creeks. MR. YAKABOSKI: Thank you for those answers. And 706? th SUPERVISOR HORTON: 706, yes we are setting a public hearing on December 6 on the matter of the applications by the Whitaker House, LLC that is requesting the use of a portion of a sanitary flow credit to overcome Health Department or overcome or comply with Health Department regulations, so that they can have an accessory apartment in that… MR. YAKABOSKI: What are they asking for, a half a one or something? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Six tenths I think is what they, I think the Health Department is requiring six tenths of one credit. MR. YAKABOSKI: And do we know what a credit is worth? SUPERVISOR HORTON: We reviewed that this morning, we had the appraisal or an assessment done by Patrick Givens that gave us parameters to set a value for a sanitary flow credit for an apartment or for a home, yes. MR .YAKABOSKI: And are you allowed to disclose prior to the hearing what… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, we will. MR. YAKABOSKI: ….parameters or values or? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, we will do that before the hearing. MR. YAKABOSKI: You are not, at this time are you ready to answer that question? Page 26 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: No. The Board didn’t come to an agreement this morning on what the price should be. COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: We are still debating it. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay. SUPERVISOR HORTON: It is between, for an apartment the survey came back and said the price would be set between $5,000 and $15,000. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: For a full credit. SUPERVISOR HORTON: For a full credit. For an accessory apartment. MR. YAKABOSKI: Is there a difference between a full credit for an accessory apartment and a full credit for another house, let’s say? SUPERVISOR HORTON: There is per this report, yes. MR. YAKABOSKI: And along those lines, you have one credit and you are going to divvy that up, it is worth about $15,000 for an apartment… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Or $5,000. MR. YAKABOSKI: Or $5,000. How is it, and is the same one can be used to put another house on another property, the same credit? It is not a different one? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Credit, yeah. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: It comes from the bank. MR. YAKABOSKI: Correct. So all the credits in the bank are equal. SUPERVISOR HORTON: So your question is, why would it be different for an apartment than for a house? That is a good question, I don’t know the answer to that. But that was how the report came back. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Those are the kind of questions why we couldn’t this morning come up with a definitive figure. MR. YAKABOSKI: Because it would just seem to me, to lend to your debate, that if a credit, if all the credits are fungible which are in the bank, that the same value would attach across the Board… Page 27 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: I think it is more of a policy decision for the Board at the end of the day. MR. YAKABOSKI: Well, the Board’s concerning as a policy question, I would just put forth that, if the credits are all equal like for example, $50,000 or $100,000 for a house, that to devalue that for an apartment could be termed by folks in the audience as a giveaway. If they are all equal, they are all fungible, they are all the same type of credits, how do you take one and say, this is $50,000 per house or $100,000 per house and $5,000 or $15,000 for an apartment? I would just put that forth to the Board. SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is a very good question. Thank you very much. We will move forward with our resolutions. Starting with Councilman Romanelli and resolution, let me see, I believe it would be 688. 2005-688 CATEGORY: Budget Modification DEPARTMENT: Accounting Budget Modification for Landmark Preservation RESOLVEDmodifies the 2005 that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby General Fund Whole Town budget as follows: From: A.7520.4.400.100 Historic Preservation Comm, C.E. Public Information $ 3,500.00 To: A.7520.1.200.100 Historic Preservation Comm, P.S. P-T Employees, Regular Earnings $ 2,000.00 A.7520.4.100.100 Historic Preservation Comm, C.E. Supplies & Materials $ 1,500.00 Vote Record - Resolution 2005-688 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Seconder ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Initiator ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter Page 28 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting 2005-689 CATEGORY: Contracts, Lease & Agreements DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk Authorize and Direct Supervisor Joshua Y. Horton to Execute an Agreement with Laurie Stavracos for the Fall 2005 Recreation Program RESOLVEDauthorizes and directs that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Supervisor Joshua Y. Horton to execute an agreement with the following individual for the fall 2005 recreation program , all in accordance with the approval of the town attorney. Funding for the instructor listed below has been budgeted for in the recreation department's 2005 instructor line A7020.4.500.420. Laurie Stavracos (weight training)................................................................... $25/hour Vote Record - Resolution 2005-689 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Initiator ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Voter Adopted as Amended ?????????? Defeated Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Seconder ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-690 CATEGORY: Retirement/Resignation DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk Resignation of Robert Keith From the Architectural Review Committee Effective December 31, 2005 RESOLVEDaccepts the resignation of that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Robert W. Keith as a member of the Architectural Review Committee , effective December 31, 2005. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: I would like to second that and I would like to say that Bob Keith has been with the Committee since its inception ten years ago. He served very reliably without any compensation and has provided a real service to the Town. We will miss him in this capacity. SUPERVISOR HORTON: And we will accept his resignation with regret. Page 29 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting Vote Record - Resolution 2005-690 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Initiator Adopted as Amended ?????????? Defeated Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-691 CATEGORY: Contracts, Lease & Agreements DEPARTMENT: Community Development Authorize and Direct Supervisor Joshua Y. Horton to Execute an Agreement with Cornell Cooperative Extension - Marine Program RESOLVEDauthorizes and directs that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Supervisor Joshua Y. Horton to execute an Agreement with Cornell Cooperative Extension – Marine Program in connection with the implementation of the Town of Southold’s Local Water Front Revitalization Program, in the amount of $150,000. (NYS DOS Contract #006355), all in accordance with the approval of the Town Attorney. Vote Record - Resolution 2005-691 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Initiator ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-692 CATEGORY: Grants DEPARTMENT: Community Development Authorize and Direct Supervisor Joshua Y. Horton to Execute an Agreement with Cornell Cooperative Extension - Stormwater Management Grant RESOLVEDauthorizes and directs that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Page 30 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting Supervisor Joshua Y. Horton to execute an Agreement with Cornell Cooperative Extension in connection with a Stormwater Management Grant with NYS Department of State, Local Waterfront Revitalization Program (C#0006471) in the amount of $100,000, all in accordance with the approval of the Town Attorney. SUPERVISOR HORTON: I would just like to say that over the course of the past campaign that I completely remained out of and enjoyed doing so, I noticed that stormwater run-off became an issue and I think that is good. I am glad that is on the radar screen of people who will be coming in to office but I also want to note and thank this Board for its dedication to stormwater run-off and mitigation and note that a tremendous amount of work has resulted in actual tangible, provable increased or positive results in a number of our township’s creeks and waterways. So we, I am sure that this work will continue in 2006. Vote Record - Resolution 2005-692 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Initiator ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Seconder ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-693 CATEGORY: Public Service DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk Highway Department’s Fall Cleanup for 2005 Will Commence Monday, November 28, 2005 In Orient and the 4-Week Grace Period for the Disposal Area Will be November 19 Through December 18, 2005 RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes residential leaves and brush at the Southold Town Compost the acceptance of Site, free of charge, for four (4) weeks in connection with the Fall Cleanup for the year 2005 (Saturday, November 19 through Sunday, December 18 ); and be it FURTHER RESOLVEDFall Cleanup will , that the Highway Department commence on Monday, November 28, 2005, in Orient. Page 31 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting Vote Record - Resolution 2005-693 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Seconder ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Voter Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Initiator ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-694 CATEGORY: Budget Modification DEPARTMENT: Police Dept Modify the 2005 General Fund Whole Town Budget - Police RESOLVEDmodifies the 2005 General that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Fund Whole Town budget as follows: From: A.3130.1.100.100 Regular Earnings $3,000.00 To: A.3130.4.100.200 Gasoline & Oil $3,000.00 Vote Record - Resolution 2005-694 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Initiator ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Voter Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Seconder ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-695 CATEGORY: Employment DEPARTMENT: Police Dept Accept the Letter of Resignation From Public Safety Dispatcher I James Kelly, Effective October 31, 2005 Page 32 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting RESOLVEDaccepts the resignation of that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby James Kelly from the position of Public Safety Dispatcher I in the Police Department , effective 0800 hours on October 31, 2005. SUPERVISOR HORTON: I want to say that this is a result of an issue of what we believe is compensation as it pertains to what we offer as a salary and what the county offers. What happens currently is we hire dispatchers, we train them. The county’s salary and Southampton Town’s salaries are much more competitive, so we train them and then we lose them. And that puts the Town in a very difficult position, particularly when it comes to the fact that our radio operator’s and the people in the radio room are the front line for handling any emergency situation. So we are addressing that, we expect the CSEA to work in full cooperation with us and we look forward to resolving this matter. Vote Record - Resolution 2005-695 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Initiator ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Seconder ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-696 CATEGORY: Employment DEPARTMENT: Human Resource Center Appoint Amanda Susan Fink to the Position of Temporary Full Time Assistant Cook RESOLVEDappoints Amanda Susan that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Fink to the position of Temporary Full Time Assistant Cook for the Southold Town Senior Nutrition Center, effective November 14, 2005, at a rate of $12.15 per hour at 40 hours per week. Vote Record - Resolution 2005-696 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Seconder ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Voter Adopted as Amended ?????????? Defeated Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Initiator ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter Page 33 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting 2005-697 CATEGORY: Surplus Equipment DEPARTMENT: Police Dept Declare Vehicles to be Surplus Equipment and Authorize to Advertise for Bid. RESOLVEDdeclares the following that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby equipment to be surplus equipment: 1994 Ford Suburban - VIN 1FMEE11Y2RHA89064 - unknown mileage 2000 Ford Crown Victoria - VIN 2FAFP71WXYX176395 - 106,891 miles RESOLVED Be it further that the Town Board authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for the sale of same. Interested individuals should contact Lt. H. William Sawicki, for appointment to view vehicles. Vote Record - Resolution 2005-697 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Initiator ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Seconder ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-698 CATEGORY: Authorize to Bid DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk Authorize and Direct the Town Clerk to Advertise for Bids for the Following Items for 2006 RESOLVEDhereby authorizes and directs the that the Town Board of the Town of Southold Town Clerk to advertise for bids for the following items for 2006: Milk for the Human Resource Center Purchase of Police Department Uniform Clothing Cleaning of Police Department Uniform Clothing Gasoline for Town Vehicles Heating Fuel Oil for Town Buildings Diesel Fuel Oil for Highway Department and Transfer Station Bulk Ice Control Rock Salt for the Highway Department Bulk Ice Control Sand for the Highway Department Removal/Disposal of Household Hazardous Waste Page 34 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting Removal of Scrap Tires from the Transfer Station Town Brown Leaf Bags Town Yellow Garbage Bags Vote Record - Resolution 2005-698 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Initiator ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-699 CATEGORY: Budget Modification DEPARTMENT: Solid Waste Management District Budget Mod SWMD RESOLVEDmodifies the 2005 that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Solid Waste Management District budget as follows, to provide safety lighting at recycling area during winter months: From: SR.8160.4.500.150 Groundwater Monitoring $ 3,000.00 To: SR.8160.4.400.700 Equipment Rental $ 3,000.00 Vote Record - Resolution 2005-699 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Initiator ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Seconder ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-700 CATEGORY: Close/Use Town Roads DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk Grants Permission to the Greenport Teachers Association to Hold a Dr. Claire 5K Run on November 5, Page 35 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting 2005 At 9:00 Am Using the Town Roads RESOLVEDgrants permission to the that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Greenport Teachers Association to hold a Dr. Claire 5K run on November 5, 2005 at 9:00 am using the following town roads, providing they file a certificate of insurance with the Town Clerk’s office naming the town as an additional insured and they contact Capt. Flatley for traffic control: Main Road (Front Street) Moore’s Lane Vote Record - Resolution 2005-700 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Initiator ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Seconder ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-701 CATEGORY: Budget Modification DEPARTMENT: Human Resource Center Modify the 2005 General Fund Whole Town Budget - HRC RESOLVEDmodifies the 2005 General that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Fund Whole Town budget, as follows: From: A.2705.50 Gifts and Donations-Adult Day $ 650.00 Care Donations To: A.6772.4.100.120 Adult Day Care Supplies $ 650.00 Vote Record - Resolution 2005-701 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Seconder Adopted as Amended ?????????? Defeated Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Initiator ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter Page 36 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting 2005-702 CATEGORY: Fmla DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk Approve a Leave of Absence for Town Employee RESOLVEDapproves a leave of that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby absence, under FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act), to a certain employee commencing with said employee’s last day of actual work on November 23, 2004, through Monday, December 19, 2005 , utilizing accumulated sick. Vote Record - Resolution 2005-702 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Voter Adopted as Amended ?????????? Defeated Thomas H. Wickham Initiator ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Seconder ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-703 CATEGORY: Budget Modification DEPARTMENT: Data Processing Modify the 2005 Data Processing Budget RESOLVEDmodifies the 2005 Data that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Processing budget as follows: From: A.1680.2.400.440 Personal Computers $5000.00 To: A.1680.2.400.450 Server Peripherals $5000.00 Page 37 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting Vote Record - Resolution 2005-703 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Seconder ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Voter Adopted as Amended ?????????? Defeated Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Initiator ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-704 CATEGORY: Budget Modification DEPARTMENT: Solid Waste Management District Modify the 2005 Solid Waste Management District Budget RESOLVEDmodifies the 2005 Solid that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Waste Management District budget as follows, for the acquisition of containers to address DEC concerns regarding the handling of waste in the temporary drop-off area: From: SR.8160.4.400.805 MSW Removal $10,000 To: SR.8160.2.500.600 Misc. Sanitation Equipment $10,000 Vote Record - Resolution 2005-704 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Initiator ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Seconder ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Voter ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-705 CATEGORY: Seqra DEPARTMENT: Town Attorney Request that the DEC be Made Lead Agency In KACE Annexation Page 38 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting WHEREAS , a Petition for Annexation has been submitted to the Town of Southold and the Village of Greenport by KACE LI, LLC; and WHEREAS , the Town of Southold and Village of Greenport have each asserted an intent to assume lead agency status for the environmental review of the Petition under SEQRA rules and regulations; and WHEREAS , the lead agency dispute has been submitted to the New York State DEC for resolution; now there for RESOLVEDrequests that the IT IS HEREBY that the Town Board of the Town of Southold NYSDEC, assume lead agency status with respect to the Petition , in accordance with the governing DEC rules and regulations promulgated to determine lead agency dispute, and that if the DEC chooses not act as lead agency, the Town continues its request to be designated lead agency. Vote Record - Resolution 2005-705 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? ??Daniel C. Ross Initiator Adopted as Amended ?????????? Defeated Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter 2005-706 CATEGORY: Misc. Public Hearing DEPARTMENT: Town Attorney Set December 6, 2005, 5:00 Pm, Southold Town Hall As the Time and Place for a Public Hearing on the Application of the Whitaker House LLC for Transfer of Sanitary Flow Credits RESOLVED hold a public hearing on the that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will application of The Whitaker House LLC for transfer of Sanitary Flow Credits at the th Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, New York on the 6 day of December, Page 39 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting 2005 at 5:00 p.m., at which time all interested persons will be given an opportunity to be heard. The applicant has requested the transfer of Sanitary Flow Credits in order to allow two (2) accessory apartments at 8275 Main Road, Southold, N.Y. 11971. Vote Record - Resolution 2005-706 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ? Adopted ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ?? Adopted as Amended ?? Defeated ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Seconder ?? Tabled ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ?? Withdrawn ???????? Louisa P. Evans Initiator ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Voter SUPERVISOR HORTON: That brings us to the end of our agenda. We have about two minutes before the, actually, we will adjourn the meeting and we will recess for two minutes or wait two minutes before we reconvene for the second public hearing of the day. I am going to take about two minutes, I will fill up my water glass and feel free to stretch your legs. Executive Subject Details Disciplinary Action - Fishers Island Ferry District Public Hearings Public Hearing #2 2006 BH UDGET EARING SUPERVISOR HORTON: We have adjourned and concluded our 7:00 PM public meeting. At this point we will re-open or reconvene for purpose of a public hearing on the 2006 proposed budget. Would anybody care to address the Town Board on this matter? Yes, Mrs. Domenici. MARIE DOMENICI: Marie Domenici, Mattituck. I have a few questions, one of them is as it relates to the resolution 697, I know it is after the fact. They have a Crown Victoria that is going to go up for sale. Where is it coming from? I mean, whose car… SUPERVISOR HORTON: It is a retired police department car. MS. DOMENICI: Okay, fine. On the budget, I picked up a copy of the budget earlier in the week and for a lay person to understand this budget… Page 40 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: Municipal accounting is, I don’t want to say it is tremendously complex but it is fairly complex. MS. DOMENICI: Well, they need to be a little more user friendly. I have been to school board meetings where you will get a budget line by line like this but at least you know what it is all about. SUPERVISOR HORTON: You should have a line by line there, if you got… MS. DOMENICI: No, it is line by line but you know, some of the things here… SUPERVISOR HORTON: What are some of the questions you had? Maybe I can clear them up. MS. DOMENICI: Well, things like personal… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Personal services means that is paying for employees. MS. DOMENICI: To me it means you get your hair or nails done. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay, well then, in our world personal services mean what you have to pay for employees. MS. DOMENICI: I have a question… SUPERVISOR HORTON: And I am not going to add a line for nails getting done in the budget, if that is what you are recommending. MS. DOMENICI: On page 5 of this budget, control of dogs, supervisor’s tentative for 2006, $168,700… SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is our contract with North Fork Animal Welfare League to operate the Animal Shelter and deal with all of, you know, picking up stray dogs and everything that goes along with running the Animal Shelter. MS. DOMENICI: Do you pick up stray cats? SUPERVISOR HORTON: They are not contracted to, it is not the Town’s, it is not a municipal obligation to deal with cats. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: But the League does do that. SUPERVISOR HORTON: The League deals with cats, we allow them to do that at the Shelter. It is not part of our contract. Page 41 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MS. DOMENICI: Okay. On page 27, about Community Preservation Funds, under the 2% land transfer tax, $4.5 million; is that what you are anticipating? SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, that is what we currently have in the bank, we don’t, oftentimes with revenue streams, we will on the balance sheet place what we are anticipating. For example, fees, revenues we may derive from fees for, well, we don’t get much for marriage licenses but you know, a license you may get from the transfer station, we will oftentimes put on the balance sheet revenue we will be expecting but for the Community Preservation Fund, it is more of a real time accounting system, so we just plug in what we actually have at that point in time in the bank. MS. DOMENICI: Okay. My recommendation to whoever formulates, if you are asking the taxpayer to foot the bill for these taxes, then you need to make it taxpayer user friendly, so that we have an understanding… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay. MS. DOMENICI: ….truly, it is not really, unless you are sitting here and picking somebody’s brain; this is not user friendly. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, what are some other questions? Because everything on there, and I think it says on the top, expenditures? MS. DOMENICI: Umm… SUPERVISOR HORTON: I think what you are looking at is line by line. I mean, some of the definitions… MS. DOMENICI: On this particular page… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Some of the definitions and nomenclature may be different than what you are accustomed to but are there other lines that aren’t clear? Because I feel it is broken out, I mean, as far as if it is equipment, if it is personal services or contracted services… MS. DOMENICI: Well, I just, in looking at it, when I picked up the school budget, it was quite clear because you just saw everything. Now maybe your budget is not as big as theirs, I don’t know. But it, in this format just didn’t do it for me, inasmuch as I was trying to, when I would look at the school budget, I could look and see where the fat in the budget was. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right. That is broken out, line by line. What you are looking at. I mean, what you, I don’t have, what you have…yeah, I think ours is, in fact and I know for a fact that ours is much more… MS. DOMENICI: For instance, when you talk about the police… Page 42 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: Let me finish what I was saying. Our budget is much more detailed and broken out line by line than any of the school budgets or fire district budgets or anything of that nature. So if there are specific questions that I could answer, for example, I am looking at page 4 under public safety, personal services at $610,000. That is salaries. Equipment, is $50,000. That is for equipment in the radio room. Contractual expense would be 37. Contractual expenses are any of your medical benefits and things of that nature. Those are all broken down line by line… MS. DOMENICI: When you say equipment, one doesn’t know how many pieces of equipment… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Because oftentimes over the course of the year, you may not know what equipment you actually are going to buy, you may, you know, be anticipating replacing a number of you know, radios and you may have to replace more or something else. MS. DOMENICI: Okay. But when I plan a budget even if I am looking to make purchases in the future… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Exactly, departments do have requests. But in here, I mean, I am not going to put down here 20 pencils, 40 erasers, 15 sheets of paper, Marie. I mean… MS. DOMENICI: Well, and I am not asking you to bring it down to that minimal amount, but I mean when you look at these things and you are trying to discern what it means ‘equipment’, well, are you talking about two pieces of equipment for that money? Are you talking about one major piece of equipment? I mean, as a taxpayer I think, you know, we have a right to know, so… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay. MS. DOMENICI: …that is why I am asking the question. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: We do have… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Are there other areas, I mean, because the other thing, as a taxpayer you do have the luxury of coming here and asking specific questions that I can answer for you so… MS. DOMENICI: I will do that. I won’t take up the evening with my questions because… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Oh, feel free because that is what this is for. MS. DOMENICI: But I do have a question and if I may pose this question to Bill, regarding the car and do we crunch those numbers? COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: No, I asked John Cushman… Page 43 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: Do we all know what you are talking about? COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: Let me explain. Mrs. Domenici asked if the Supervisor, instead of the Town, providing the Supervisor a car, the Town would reimburse the Supervisor for mileage done on Town business. And what I, when she asked that which was I guess about two weeks ago, I forwarded an e-mail to John Cushman asked him to sort of back of the envelope computation, I haven’t gotten an answer on that. So I don’t know… SUPERVISOR HORTON: And that is also a… COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: …as to what the relative… SUPERVISOR HORTON: That would be a policy set by the Board. The Board could say to the Supervisor, no car, you know, put in for mileage. And I believe the mileage is 40 cents a mile, if I am not mistaken. MS. DOMENICI: Well, in good times and when I worked in corporate America, if you were a salesman, you had, you know, a car and you were reimbursed and you, you know, you drove that car to all of your sales calls. When you have to reinvent yourself because there is not enough money in the budget to facilitate the purchasing or leasing of cars and the liability and all of that and I am thinking in terms of when you are looking at this budget, if there is some opportunity to take some of the fat out of the budget. I mean, I don’t know anybody that gets a car to go to work, other than unless you buy your own and put your own gas in. So… SUPERVISOR HORTON: The other thing you have to keep in mind for the Supervisor, is that the Supervisor wears many hats. And oftentimes is responding to emergencies as well. And to have an official car to do so, in my mind, is important. Other people may disagree, what have you. But I can also tell you, when you say the fat in the budget Marie, I have combed this budget like, you know, with more than a fine tooth comb. And every Board member here will attest to that. And if there is fat, I will find it and I will cut it. MS. DOMENICI: So, if from a taxpayer perspective I certainly have no problems paying somebody 40 cents a mile to do Town business or whatever but to purchase a car for and I don’t mean to single out the Supervisor, I mean if you have got five cars that are sitting out there that people use because it is for Town business… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Actually, the Supervisor, the Chief of Police and the Captain of the Police Department are the only vehicles that go home at night. COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: Highway Superintendent. SUPERVISOR HORTON: And the Highway Superintendent. MS. DOMENICI: Are you saying a police car that they take home? Page 44 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: The Chief of Police and the Captain of the Police Department, the Highway Superintendent and the Supervisor are the only, I believe, are the only cars, perhaps maybe the Deputy Highway Superintendent, are the only cars that actually go home at night. You are talking five cars there. MS. DOMENICI: Okay. My question is, just to crunch the numbers on one car… SUPERVISOR HORTON: One car costs $23,000 on state bid. MS. DOMENICI: Okay. And the cost of insurance, liability, gas and maintenance. SUPERVISOR HORTON: It is minimal when you consider the amounts of vehicles that we, it is diminimous, it is diminimous when you look at the cost of all of the vehicles that we insure. MS. DOMENICI: I understand that and I am not saying that you should cut everyone’s vehicle because… SUPERVISOR HORTON: And also, you have to keep in mind that there isn’t a Supervisor’s car in the budget, so you wouldn’t be cutting anything. MS. DOMENICI: So we are not going to be buying a new one anytime soon? SUPERVISOR HORTON: There is not one in this budget. MS. DOMENICI: Okay. SUPERVISOR HORTON: And there is not one in the police budget and… MS. DOMENICI: Well, if I could still get the numbers. That would be great. COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: Well, as I say, I asked John Cushman for those numbers. I should add one other comment, though, relative to the remark you made about mileage; if a person is putting a lot of miles on a personal car, let’s say 8,000-10,000 miles a year, if you recall, every year when you get your automobile insurance company sends you a form asking how many miles you are driving to work and so forth, if you all of a sudden start reporting 10,000 miles more than you normally would report, your insurance rate is going to go up and that is not allowed for in the mileage reimbursement, that is whatever it is 40 cents no matter how many miles. So you also have to be fair with a vehicle that is used a lot, for a lot of miles. Which I believe the Supervisor’s car is. SUPERVISOR HORTON: And there is no way of accounting or reimbursing on a vehicle for wear and tear in addition. You are asking someone to leave the private sector and take a public service job that has you out seven nights a week, up the island quite a bit, you know, up to Page 45 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting Albany with some regularity. I have been down to Washington, DC and to have a vehicle that can accommodate that, I think, is not at all an unfair resource to the Town. MS. DOMENICI: I might disagree with you on that. SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is fine. MS. DOMENICI: Anyway, thank you for your time. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you so much. Are there other comments on the budget? Yes, Greg. GREG YAKABOSKI: Greg Yakaboski, Southold. I actually happen to agree with Mrs. Domenici. I agree on the user friendly comment. The reason, yes, I think the Supervisor is correct, it is laid out in detail, the line by line. I think the difficulty is two things, one: it is a different language than most people use in their daily lives, so you really can’t understand and coordinate that with how you normally conduct your affairs. Number two, for her example on equipment, it would be nice if there were a couple of lines say equipment $50,000 two cars, one tractor. Then you can make a decision about tractors. SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is fair. MR. YAKABOSKI: With the full Board here, I am just going to reaffirm my request…. SUPERVISOR HORTON: The other thing I wanted to mention to you and you brought it up earlier at the budget meeting. In this, in what is before here and I think it is offered in one of the packets down there, we actually do offer what was spent in ’04 actual, what was spent to date, what is projected to be spent in ’05; so there are a couple of years reference. We could offer a couple more years to that. MR. YAKABOSKI: Josh, you do have it, in the itemized account. All I was looking for is that summary on the back of the front page, I believe it is? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right. MR. YAKABOSKI: It is the one that was in the public hearing. SUPERVISOR HORTON: So basically take this and just transfer… MR. YAKABOSKI: Translate it, do one, show for ’02, ’03, ’04. A couple, three years back. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Sure. MR. YAKABOSKI: Because there might be, to operate this town, it might be a lot more cash today than it was three years ago. Might be something they might want to know. Page 46 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: Sure. MR. YAKABOSKI: With the full Board here, with John here, I wanted to reiterate my request that the Board consider in this budget, adding lights for the ball field up at… SUPERVISOR HORTON: You asked that three times now, Greg. We got you. MR. YAKABOSKI: Sorry. I wanted to get John. SUPERVISOR HORTON: John is going to watch it on TV Friday night. He will see it. And John, you are going to watch this? Because you missed the earlier hearing, so your homework is to watch the earlier hearing on Friday night. We got your request. MR. YAKABOSKI: The other question I had is I had asked you earlier about the surplus dollars that were left over, you take some of it. Is there a, how do you guys figure out how much you are going to keep back and how much you are going to appropriate, like $1,000,000 every year? $2,000,000? SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, that is not a dollar amount. Generally what we have done and I think you probably even recall this, you seem to ask questions that you know the answers to… MR. YAKABOSKI: This one I am not sure. SUPERVISOR HORTON: And one of, what we have done in the past and this year is you allocate, excuse me, the fiscal policy is to allocate a minimum of 50% of the surplus. Then you have 50% of the, let’s say for example you have $6,000,000 in surplus at the end of the year and we view that as a tax stabilization fund. Also as a fund for emergency expenditures that may come up that you just simply can’t account for. It is good to have a capital fund set aside for that. So, if you have a $6,000,000 surplus at the end of the year, the policy is to appropriate 50% of that and then look at the budget again to assess are there costs that are beyond the Board’s control that may warrant appropriating a bit more of that surplus. For example, we did that in 2002 for the ’03 budget. When we had, you referenced this earlier, when we had a tremendous hit by the State… MR. YAKABOSKI: Retirement? SUPERVISOR HORTON: …for the retirement fund. We had to appropriate $900,000 more than we didn’t have to account for the year before. Because it was a cost that was completely out of the control of the Town Board or any forces here in town and instead of going straight to the taxpayer for that and saying, ‘give us $900,000 more, we are going to raise your taxes by another 4%’ because people like Marie say you should cut pencils, papers, pens and maybe the Supervisor’s car, the real costs for running town government are in salaries, health benefits and retirement. Those are your costs. The amount of expenditure, outside of fixed costs is, I believe, less than 15%; between payroll, fringe benefits. Fringe benefits accounts for 47, no, payroll is 47% of our budget. Benefits are another 22. So you have 47 plus 22, that is 69, 70% of the Page 47 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting budget. Just to turn the lights on, is salaries and benefits. So when we talk about maybe the car or little other things like that that add up to a fraction, not even, less than a fraction of the overall budget to be accountable to the taxpayer and to reduce taxes; those little things, you would have to cut a whole lot of cars to see a noticeable difference. You would have to cut a whole lot of pens, papers and pieces of paper to see a noticeable difference. So the point that I am trying to make at the end of the day and now I have forgotten the exact question that you asked me, for the surplus, if like we did in 2002 for the ’03 budget, when we had a $900,000 increase, instead of going, instead of doing what the Board’s did in the early ‘90’s and bond that money and pass the cost off over a number of years to come or instead of going to the taxpayers and saying we are going to raise taxes to fund this by an additional 5 or 6 percent, we will expend a little more of the surplus that we have that you have already provided for through previous budgets and allocated as a tax stabilization mechanism. And that has been a, you start at 50% and I don’t think I have ever seen it go, I don’t think I have ever seen more than 60% of surplus allocated. And that is a very sound fiscal policy that Wall Street has commended the Town on. MR. YAKABOSKI: And Josh, the way you just laid out about the fixed costs and what you, you know, discretionary things, I think is excellent information to have and I think if you had a user friendly little format in the beginning… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right. You have made that clear. MR. YAKABOSKI: …you explain that and I think that questions that, like I am going to raise in a second, she has already raised; it helps answer that in advance. SUPERVISOR HORTON: I think we offer this. I know it was printed in the paper. Oh, alright, so now we are going to argue whether it is legible because of black or white ink. MR. YAKABOSKI: But going back to the, just two more points, going back to the budget process I talked about earlier… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right. MR. YAKABOSKI: I think it would be, and I commend the Board on having work sessions where everybody came forward, all department heads came forward this year. I commend you guys on doing that, if however, folks sitting at home were able to turn on the TV if they wanted to and watch that, that could help answer some questions, as well, there is not a lot of people here but have the department heads here. Josh and I discussed earlier the personal thing of mine, is the environmental factors, where all the quality things like that, what is going on. This is not a critique, just an observation. You didn’t have the details here so quite frankly, I can’t tell you if I think it is an excellent program, I can’t tell you if I think you are wrong, if I think you are right. I don’t know if I should be critical, commend you, because I don’t have the details. And along that line…what was that? COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: I said commend. Page 48 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MR. YAKABOSKI: I am leaning the other way. Anyway, without those details… SUPERVISOR HORTON: You have made that… MR. YAKABOSKI: I am just wrapping up. This is my last point. Without those details, coming to a public hearing like this trying to get some information, I and other people in the public really can’t ask a lot of detailed questions because we are still trying to gather factual information. And it is almost, I was telling John in the parking lot, it is almost not worth coming because it is so difficult and time consuming to try to extract that factual information just to be able to get to a point where then you could digest it and then try to come up and ask some questions about things or make some suggestions. It is just a very frustrating process. That critique will go not just to the budget hearing but to a lot of public hearings… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, we are talking about the budget. Well, I would expect that there are ways, I have always made a real point of providing as much information as possible and getting that into the hands of people which is why I developed this concept, this is a black and white copy, so yes, I can understand that yes, it is tough to tell the shading but in reality, at least in this, all the black shading accounts for fixed costs. But the point being, we have created this itemized budget and Tom Wickham started this in his administration and I picked up this concept and took it a few steps further in providing an even more detailed budget and I am sure there are ways that it can become even more detailed. MR. YAKABOSKI: If you can go further… SUPERVISOR HORTON: I am sure that the Board can. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Josh, may I make a comment? I would like to make a brief comment, then. I don’t think it is realistic to expect the public to make the minute insights where we can save; Josh made the comment about paperclips and money and whatnot or even cars and equipment of the nature. I just don’t think that it is realistic to expect the public to be able to come here, even if they had all that information and be able to advise the Board whether there should be three new cars for the police department or just two. What the public should do and what the Board needs is the big picture stuff. Should we be investing $1,000,000 in some new direction? Or is that a mistake? Or should the budget rather reflect greater new interest in an area that we haven’t done yet? That is where we need public input, it seems to me. Not the micro-management stuff. MR. YAKABOSKI: (inaudible) the micro-manager, Tom. And an example, Tom, on water quality projects, things like that. You guys are trying to do a lot of stuff. You say you are doing of things but if tonight you would come here and I would think that you guys have talked about it so much, you would be trumpeting this, okay? Saying ‘hey, here are the water quality projects we have planned for the upcoming year.’ Okay? Just ten projects. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right but Greg? Page 49 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MR. YAKABOSKI: ….(inaudible) you have seven funded. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Greg. Along that point, we speak frequently at Board meetings about, you mentioned water quality projects. We speak frequently about those projects as they come up. We speak frequently about the different initiatives that we work on over the course of the year. If we were to put in, if we were to provide you with the budget that I receive, when I go to work on the budget; you are talking several hundred pages of small print that, you know, isn’t practical to print several hundred copies of… MR. YAKABOSKI: I am not looking for that… SUPERVISOR HORTON: I am sure there are ways we can detail it better and then I would advise the Board to work to accomplish that. MR. YAKABOSKI: I am not looking for that. I mean, my last point, take Mrs. Domenici’s point about how, she says look, when she is planning something she kind of knows what she is going for. Josh’s answer was about equipment. We don’t know what we are going to do, her comment… SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, no, no, no. Excuse me, Greg, I didn’t say I don’t know what we are going to do… MR. YAKABOSKI: It was not a critique, it was just… SUPERVISOR HORTON: The…. MR. YAKABOSKI: …you did not give specific details, that is all. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Exactly. It is a, you, there was a question asked about equipment in the dispatchers room. I can tell you the type of equipment we have in there, it is radio equipment, it is telecommunications equipment, it is other types of communications equipment. That equipment frequently wears out and generally speaking, particularly in the police station, in the police department, transfer station and highway department we set in our operating budget funding to phase out old equipment. So we know what we worked with the year prior, we know what some of our priorities are and put forth a budget that reflects that. MR. YAKABOSKI: I will end on this example. Rather, I am not asking, I don’t think she was asking, I know what you deal with. If, on your water quality environmental projects you had one sheet that listed the planned projects…. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Greg, Greg. We have that. But it is not necessary… MR. YAKABOSKI: (inaudible) Page 50 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: Because if you do that you are going to have to do that for every single budget line which gets you to the several hundred pages. So you asked if we could provide you with a list of those projected projects and I told you that we can. Just simply not at the budget hearing this evening. MR. YAKABOSKI: And recognize that then if they are public, it is a broad issue, environmental areas. Recognize that by not having it here tonight or departments here that can answer that question tonight at the hearing, the public, who ever happens to show up or takes the time to show up, then cannot give their input on it. So the public is at a severe disadvantage. That is the only point I am trying to make. Thank you. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay. Thank you. Are there other comments in regard to the budget? Vote Record - Public Hearing #2 ? Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent ? ? ? ? William P. Edwards Voter ???????? Daniel C. Ross Voter ? Adjourned ???????? Thomas H. Wickham Initiator ?? Closed ???????? John M. Romanelli Voter ???????? Louisa P. Evans Voter ???????? Joshua Y. Horton Seconder SUPERVISOR HORTON: There is a motion on the table to adjourn from the meeting and the public hearing. MR. YAKABOSKI: Don’t you have the open mike? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Excuse me? MR. YAKABOSKI: I am sorry, you said the open mike? I have one comment on the open mike. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Oh, then hop back up, Greg. MR YAKABOSKI: This is one point, Greg Yakaboski, Southold. This is one point which is simmering with me a number of years. Something that came out in Bill Edwards campaign literature just kind of sparked it again. And what it is is this, four years ago when Josh was running, this is not a political attack, when Josh was running, he mentioned that he wanted to fight corruption; there was corruption in Town Hall. SUPERVISOR HORTON: I never used the word corruption, Greg. MR. YAKABOSKI: I would respectfully disagree. If that is your position (inaudible)…. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Excuse me and also, Greg… Page 51 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting MR. YAKABOSKI: (Inaudible) SUPERVISOR HORTON: Excuse me… MR. YAKABOSKI: If that is your position that I just heard… SUPERVISOR HORTON: Excuse me, Greg? This is not a forum to discuss the campaign. MR. YAKABOSKI: I am not discussing the campaign. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay, so let’s not talk about campaigns. MR. YAKABOSKI: Because if the word corruption had been used describing, there is about 200 plus employees who work for the town… SUPERVISOR HORTON: I can tell you one thing, Greg, I have never used, in the campaign when I was running four years ago, I don’t recall ever using the word corruption. MR. YAKABOSKI: Okay, you and I have different memories to that point. If that is your recollection, I will respect that… SUPERVISOR HORTON: I can tell you that there was a strong feeling on the streets of Southold Town that there was some real appearances of impropriety, that the people of Southold Town were no longer going to tolerate. And somebody had to be willing to stand up and deal with that and I was willing to do so. MR. YAKABOSKI: The point I was going to make, it came up in, Bill stated it outside of this meeting. COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: I stated what? SUPERVISOR HORTON: Excuse me, let’s not get into a fight here, alright? MR. YAKABOSKI: This is not a personal, this is just….we toughened up the ethics code to keep patronage and corruption out of Town Hall. To me and I laid my foundation, that implies that there was corruption in Town Hall. That is how it seemed to me and if that was the case, I just respectfully make this suggestion to the Town Board, that is it. Recognize, there is about 200 employees. If folks out there are saying words like that, the people affected, the 200 plus employees, Board members; are not in position, their hands are tied behind their backs, they are not able to come back about that. And that is a tough thing. My memory had been, as I stated earlier, Josh, and I was just bringing it up in what I had seen in this thing from Bill Edwards, and I just respectfully request, remember these people, people who work at Town Hall have their hands tied. You guys are the boss. I would just ask that we be very careful when you are out there speaking about that. That is all. Page 52 November 10, 2005 Town of Southold Board Meeting SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you. MR. YAKABOSKI: It is not respectful, it is not honorable to take swings at people who can’t swing back. SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thanks, Greg. The meeting is adjourned. * * * * * Elizabeth A. Neville Southold Town Clerk Page 53