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Route 25 at Love Lane, PO Box 799, Mattltuck, NY 11952
516-298-8880
January 10, 1994
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Southold Town
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Dear Chairman Ward and Members of the Planning Board,
I would like to express the North Fork Environmental Council's
(NFEC) opposition to the applicant's plan to widen the shoulder
on the north side of Rt. 25 instead of constructing a west-bound
left-hand turn lane. We feel that such a solution to traffic
congestion would pose serious safety problems.
Allowing cars to pass on the right onto the shoulder limits
visibility for oncoming east-bound traffic and for drivers
exiting parking lots on the north side of the road, as well as
for the passing driver. Accidents have already occurred in this
area from just such passing on the right. If and when the north
side of Rt. 25 is further developed, these problems will be
exacerbated, and additional hazards will exist for east-bound
drivers turning left.
In addition, with the absence of true bicycle lanes in Southold,
the shoulder is currently the only "safe" place for bicycle
riders to travel. Permitting drivers to use the shoulder to pass
on the right will result in serious hazards to these riders.
At the Planning Board work session of January 3, 1994 the
applicant's consultant, Vincent Corrado of Dunn Engineering,
stated that this solution to the traffic issues was "less safe"
than the creation of a left-hand turn lane. We agree with
Mr. Corrado.
We are also very concerned with the SEQR implications of any
decision to allow this change of plan. Your conditional negative
declaration (CND) of November 15, 1993 stat~s as condition #1:
"The impacts that will result from the present lack of
turning lanes shall be addressed by the installation of
roadway modifications...as contained in the state Department
of Transportation's November 9, 1993 letter to Mr. Vincent
Corrado, Dunn Engineering Associates."
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The letter referred to above states, "A left turn lane must be
installed as part of this project."
Regardless of whether or not the DOT has changed its mind, the
condition that was set in the Negative Declaration cannot be
changed unless the Planning Board rescinds its CND and issues a
new one. The law states clearly:
"...a lead agency must rescind a negative declaration if it
determines that a significant environmental effect may
result from a project modification or that there exists a
change of circumstances which was not previously addressed."
(6 NYCRR Part 617.6 (ill
The magnitude of this proposed change from a left turn lane to
widening the shoulder certainly qualifies as a change of
circumstances not previously addressed.
Furthermore, if you rescind your conditional negative declaration
and issue one with this new condition, you must allow another
30-day public comment period. The traffic issues have been one
of the biggest concerns of the pUblic both for this application
and the previous McDonald's application. A change in this
requirement cannot be taken lightly.
The NFEC understands that Mr. Corrado has maintained that the
applicant would bear a three-fold increase in costs if the left
turn lane is required. While the Planning Board may take an
applicant's financial burden into account, it must also concern
itself with the best interests and safety of Southold's citizens.
We believe that in this case the safety concerns far outweigh the
applicant's desire to keep down costs.
We hope that the Planning Board will make its decision in favor
of the solution that will provide the safest circumstances for
the people of Southold.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Linda Levy
for the North Fork Environmental Council
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Southold Town Planning Board
P.O. Box 1179
Main Rd.
Southold, N.Y.
11971
Dear Members of the Board,
As a taxpayer I am quite concerned about the proposed Burger King
on the Main Rd. in Mattituck.
It is evident looking at other areas on Long Island where this
type of development has been allowed to occur that the property values
md taxes are seriously effected. Property values go down and taxes go
up!
Please, don't allow this to happen to our town without we, the
taxpayers having our say. A public hearing is allowable under the
law and is certainly in order!
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December 27, 1993
Mr. Richard ward
Chairman
Southald Town Planning Board
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
SouthOld, New York 11971
Dear Mr. Ward,
After thousands of hours of hard work, on the part of the people of
the Town of SouthOld, to stop the fast food intrusion of McDonald's, I was
horrified to learn that our zoning laws had not been changed, despite the
entreaties of the people, to exclude the possibility of this encroachment on
our Town's character to occur ever again! How exhausting and disheartening
to now be faced with the threat of a Burger King. First hand experience has
shown me that no matter how much you physically disguise one of these
nutritionallY low, cost high fast junk food joints it negatively affects the soul
of the town or area. In Brooklyn Heights (where I resided in the interim
between my stays on the North Fork) we fought long and hard against the
proposed Burger King, finally relenting due to the columned elegance of
the renovated storefront. Within a year most of the unique boutiques that
lined Montague Street had closed their doors due to a tidal wave of
shoplifting and an onslaught of litter and our once lovely, Quaint and safe
main street had become a revolving door for impersonal chain stores. Ten
years later the Burger King no longer exits on Montague Street but it's
destruction of a neighborhood is clear to all. I shudder to think that this
could be the fate of the North Fork.
With this nightmare in mind, I beg the planning board to change their
determination from a conditioned Negative Declaration to a Positive
Declaration in order to require a full SEQRA review. Due to the irreversibility
of this action (the building of Burger King in Mattituckl, with it's long term
negative culmative effects on traffic and tourism, I ask the planning board
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to hOld a hearing prior to a vote on a final site plan in accordance with
Southold Town Code Regulation Section 100-254, Subsection H.
Government in the Town of Southold has undergone an enormous
change due to the will of the people. It's time to start to really listen and
create the legislation that will protect The Town of Southold's character and
thus economy. AS the Governor's Task Force on the East End Economy and
Environment recently stated "Our environment is our economy"! Let us start
to take heed of this old adage and perhaps we can all live, work and play in
the Town we envision, instead of constantly having to go to battle to
staunch the flow of what has killed so many towns and areas before.
Sincerely Yours,
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APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard p, Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis. Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
SCaTI' L. HARRIS
Supervisor
James Dinizio. Jr.
Robert A. Vi 11 a
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Town Hall. 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York] 1971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
ACTION OF THE BOARD OF APPEALS
Upon Application No. 3970 dated November 19, 1991 made by COFAM
REALTY COMPANY for a Special Exception to the Zoning Ordinance,
for a fast-food restaurant and a drive-through restaurant window
facility. Provisions of the Zoning Code under which this
application has been made is Article X, Section 100-l01B.
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WHEREAS, after due notice, public hearings were held on
March 8, 1991, April 5, 1991, and November 21, 1991, at which
time all persons, corporations, organizations and the like, who
desired to be heard were heard and their testimony recorded; and
WHEREAS, the Board has carefully considered all testimony
and documentation submitted concerning this application; and
WHEREAS, the Board members have personally viewed and are
familiar with the premises in questi~n, its present zoning, and
the surrounding areas; and
WHEREAS, the Board made the following findings of fact:
SITE INFORMATION
1. The premises in question is located along the south
side of the Main Road (State Route 25) in the Hamlet of
Mattituck, Town of Southold, and is identified on the Suffolk
County Tax Maps as District 1000, Section 122, Block 7, Lot 3.1.
2. The subject premises is vacant land and consists of a
total area of 130,621 sq. ft. (2.9986 acres), with 371.37 ft.
frontage along the Main Road and 317.14 ft. along Old Main Road.
3. Architectural renditions have been furnished for
reliance by the board members in making this determination which
shows the building to be of cape cod design. It should be noted
that the architectural renditions are also before the Town
Planning Board. ArChitectural, reviews will also be required by
the Town Planning Board when processing the site plan
application under the site plan regulations of the zoning
code. Also in considering this application, site plan
elements, egress, ingress, accessory parking, etc. as proposed
by the applicant are more particularly shown on the maps '
prepared by Raymond F. Fellman, A.I.A. (site plan maps lastly
dated June 7, 1991; Water and Sewer Plan SP-3 dated 9-23-91;
etc.).
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Matter of COFAM REALTY
Decision Rendered December 16, 1991
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IMPROPER PARTY STATUS
4. During the initial stage of this project, an
application was filed with the Southold Town Planning Board for
site plan approval (which has not been decided as of this date
and is pending site plan reviews) and with the Southold Town
Board of Appeals, both filed by McDonald's Corporation through
its agents and/or attorneys for the proposed:
(a) establishment of a fast-food restaurant, and
(b) establishment of a drive-thru window restaurant.
5. After the first and second hearings, the following
factors became apparent:
(a) The applicant, McDonald's Corporation, did not
appear to be a proper party to this application since McDonald's
Corporation, although claiming on the written documentation to
be a Contract Vendee, was neither a Contract Vendee or the
owner. The application therefore was not properly before the
Board of Appeals up until the date of the final hearing in
November 1991.
(b) Rather than conclude the hearing process and
continue with a defective application, the applicant and parties
involved were advised of this defect, by written notice, and
were provided with an opportunity to amend their application to
make same procedurally correct.
(c) On November 19, 1991, two days prior to the final
hearing under Application No. 3970, CoFam Realty, the landowner,
made application to this Board as a proper party for a "Special
Exception for a proposed restaurant under Article X, Section
100-101B, subsection 9 ...." It is their application which is
being addressed, although the board is aware that the ultimate
intent is to erect a McDonalds restaurant.
6. Therefore, this Board is pursuing the application
process for the applicant-owner, CoFam Realty with the owner's
intent to establish a restaurant pursuant to those standards and
conditions for such a Special Exception set forth in the
Southold Town Zoning Code.
RESTAURANTS BY CODE DEFINITIONS
7. A "restaurant" is defined in the Southold Town Zoning
Code under Section 100-13 as follows:
" Any premises where food is commercially
sold for on-premises consumption to patrons
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Matter of COFAM REALTY
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seated at tables or counters. Any facility making use
of a carhop or parking lot service to cars or for the
consumption of food to be eaten in said cars or
outdoors shall not be considered a "restaurant"
for the purpose of this (zoning) chapter and
shall be deemed to be a "drive-in or fast-food
restaurant."
8. Such a "restaurant" which is only for patrons seated at
tables or counters is permitted subject to site plan approval by
the Town Planning Board in the following Zone Districts:
(a) per Section 100-9lA(7) - Hamlet Business
(b) per Section 100-101A(2) - General B Business
(c) per Section 100-SlA(2d) - Light Business.
9. A "fast-food restaurant" is defined in the Southold
Town Zoning Code under Section 100-13 as follows:
RESTAURANT, DRIVE-IN OR FAST-FOOD - Any establishment
whose principal business is the sale of foods, frozen
desserts, or beverages to the customer in a ready to
consume state, usually served in paper, plastic or
other disposal containers, for consumption within the
restaurant building, elsewhere on the premises or for
carryout for consumption off the premises.
10. A "drive-thru or drive-up" (the latter being a term
utilized by the applicant) restaurant is a use other than a
carhop or drive-in facility as defined in our zoning code. The
inside counter service which is the norm available for patrons
to purchase foods for constimption off the premises is not
accessible, and instead motor vehicles are used for
accessibility between the building and off-premises consumption
instead of passengers leaving parked cars. There is no provision
in the Southold Town Zoning code for a drive-thru or drive-up
restaurant, especially by special exceptions (special permit)
application.
11. A minimum of 40,000 sq. ft. of land is required for
each restaurant use, regardless of whether it is a table-service
restaurant, a fast-food restaurant, or a car-hop restaurant
use. By reason of the fact that there is no public water or
sewer facilities available to the site the Suffolk County
Department of Health Services recommended that any fast food
restaurant such as the one specified herein be placed upon a lot
having an area of not less than one hundred twenty thousand
square feet. By this application it was clearly demonstrated to
the Board that, in fact, what was contemplated represented not
one, but two principal restaurant uses-the first being a "Fast-
Food " Restaurant and the second being a "drive-thru/drive-up"
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restaurant. The site in question as set forth above is
one-hundred thirty thousand six hundred twenty one square feet.
APPLICANT'S TWO PROPOSED RESTAURANT FACILITIES
12. The applicant has requested a Special Exception for
both a fast-food restaurant and a drive-thru restaurant. From
testimony during the hearings, it is evident that the fast-food
corporation intending to enter into a Contract of Sale with the
current owner is proposing not only a fast-food restaurant with
a food counter for removal to on-site tables or off-premises
consumption, but also a separate restaurant area for access from
an area other than a parking lot and solely by motor vehicles.
The applicant has also indicated that such a secondary
restaurant use will provide 40% or more of the business.
13. Such a "drive-thru restaurant" is clearly not a carhop
facility defined in our zoning code, and it is clearly in this
Board's determination a secondary restaurant use able to operate
independently and separate from a fast-food table/counter
restaurant use.
14. The area to be utilized for the "drive-thru
restaurant" is also not in an area utilized as a parking lot,
and instead utilizes that area used by all other vehicles
entering and exiting the subject premises, which also has an
increase of vehicular traffic congestion within the site, which
in turn causes increased risk and danger to pedestrians entering
the building from the parking lot(s).
CODE STANDARDS FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS
15. Article XXVI, Section 100-263, SUb-paragraphs A
through F of the Zoning Code provides several standards, which
standards the Board Members have considered concerning the use
of the fast-food restaurant only in this Special Exception
application.
16. Other considerations by the Board were also given,
among other things, to sub-paragraphs A through P of Section
100-264.
17. Another area also considered at length by the Board is
the issue of the removal of so-lid waste and its effects upon
town facilities. The applicant has agreed to covenant ship the
solid waste resulting from this proposed fast-food restaurant
and related uses out of town and not to utilize the Southold
Town landfill during operation of this new business. (The Town
has a court action pending at this time and consideration of the
effects of such new restaurant uses and their effects,
cumulatively or otherwise upon the town landfill, if permitted
by the State to remain open, must be further evaluated.)
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Matter of COFAM REALTY
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NOW, THEREFORE, on motion by Mr. Dinizio, seconded by
Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, to GRANT a Special Exception under Article X,
Section 100-101B(9), for the establishment of a fast-food
restaurant only as defined and described in paragraph #9, supra,
and SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS:
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1. An emergency exit must be made available off of Old
Main Road for fire and emergency purposes;
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2. Sufficient on-site parking areas must be made available
for numerous transient buses as recommended by the Southold Town
Planning Board;
3. No directional, advertising or other off-premises signs
shall be permitted.
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4. No other separate business or restaurant use shall be
permitted other than a fast-food restaurant use.
5. This Special Exception approval is limited to that
applied for and shown for consideration as per the plans and
drawings submitted to this Board, and anv chancre, in the
footprint of the building requires re-app11cat1on for
re-consideration, after proper notice and public hearinq. An
original final site plan print shall be furnished to the Board
of Appeals for review prior to Planning Board Chairman's signing
of the final maps for updating purposes, acquiescence, and
permanent record-keeping purposes (without the need for further
hearing, etc. for such review).
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that portion of the subject application
as it pertains to "drive-thru or drive-up restaurant" is and the
same is hereby Denied for the following reason:
1. The use intended is not permitted by Special Exception
under the Zoning Code of the Town Southold either by definition
or within the respective zone.
2. There is insufficient square footage on site to support
approval of a second primary restaurant use.
3. The increase traffic flow resulting from drive-
thru/drive-up restaurant would adversely impact upon the
existing two lane highway which provides access to the site
furthermore, the preexisting nonconforming residential use to
the west and the hundred acre residential (AR-40) zone directly
to the south and east of the premises renders this particular
location not suitable for this particular use (section 100-264A).
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4. The approval of a second restaurant use would put
unnecessary strain upon the private water and sewer facilities
available to the site(100-264D).
5. The site has insufficient square footage per the
recommendation of the Suffolk County Department of Health
Services (lOO-264K).
6. Access to the site is by means of State Road SR25
(two-lane east-west highway) which provides access to and from
the hamlet of Mattituck and is not suitable to the use intended
(lOa-264M)
7. Although the applicant agreed to covenant not to
deposit solid waste in the landfill of the Town of Southold, it
refused to covenant to not deposit any of its waste in any
transfer station in the event the landfill would ultimately
close. Considering the amount of solid waste generated by the
applicant same will provide an undue strain upon such transfer
station(lOO-2640).
VOTE OF THE BOARD: AYES: Messrs. Goehringer, Dinizio and
Doyen. NAYES: Members Villa and Grigonis. (Members Villa and
Grigonis felt the application should be denied in its entirety
for several reasons: out of character with the area, there is a
better profitable use to which this property may be used,
excessive burdens on governmental facilities, etc.).
This resolution was duly adopted with a 3-to-2 margin.
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Route 25 at Love Lane, PO Box 799, Mattltuck, NY 11952
516-298-8880
February 4, 1994
Richard Ward, Chairman
Southold Town Planning Board
Southold Town Hall
Southold, New York 11971
Dear Chairman Ward and Members of the Planning Board,
The purpose of this letter is to set forth in writing the
reasons for which the Council, pursuant to So~thold Town
Code,Section 100-254, sub-section H, is actively petitioning for
a public hearing on the Cofam Realty Co. application for a
proposed Burger King Restaurant.
1. Due to the extremely sensitive and controversial nature of
this type of business locating in the Town of Southold for
the first time,the Council finds that a requirement of
covenants and restrictions in regard to the permanent
exclusion of any drive-in window and/or playground should
be in writing prior to the issuance of final site plan
approval.
2. Solid waste handling methods should be detailed in writing.
A copy of the contract with the applicant's carter shoufd
be filed with the final site approval. Additionally,the
applicant should be held responsible in writing for all
off-site garbage and litter as well as on-site. The off-
site garbage and litter will be easy to identify as
"belonging" to Burger King due to distinctive standardized
industry packaging.
3. Lastly, the public as well as the applicant has rights. The
right to be heard is provided for in the Southold Town .
Code. The Town Code allows at your discretion for a public
hearing on this site plan. Due to the considerable public
interest and controversy generated by this application you
.owe the citizens of Southold Town the opportunity to be
heard in a public forum.
Sincerely,
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Linda L. Fletcher
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Southold, New York 11971
Dear Members of the Planning Board:
The object of this letter is to inform you that we are
vehemently opposed to the construction and operation of a
Burger King restaurant on the Main Road in Mattituck.
In addition to the dangerous traffic problems this oper-
ation would cause, our main objection is the inevitable incursion
of other fast food restaurants. We, along with an overwhelming
majority of Southold residents, correctly believe that a fast
food restaurant of this type would downgrade and cheapen the
appearance of the main road leading into our community.
We hope that you will consider our objections when you
make your decision about fast food in Southold Town. The rural
charm of our community is at stake.
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January 11, 1994
Richard Ward, Chairman
Southo1d Town Planning Board
Southo1d Town Hall
Southold, NY 11971
Dear Dick:
Can you believe it? I'm writing again about the Burger King.
I understand from Ruth Jernick that the applicant has gone back
to Plan A, insofar as Main Road access is concerned. This is
good.
The purpose of this latest note is to request that some form of
public hearing be held before final approval is given to this
project. The people must be heard, even if the project advances
because the Planning Board has no choice but to approve it.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
T~on
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George Ritchie Latham. Jr.
Bennett Orlowski. Jr.
Mark S. McDonald
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Town Hall. 53095 Main Road
P. O. Box 1179
Southold. New York 11971
Te~phone(516)765-1938
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTIIOLD
Fax (516) 765 - 1823
MEMORANDUM
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James Richter. Engineering Inspector
Robert G. Kassner, Site Plan Reviewer~
FROM:
RE:
Review of drainage calculations
for Site plan for Burger King Restaurant
Route 25, Mattituck
SCTM# 1000-122-7-3.1
DATE:
January 13, 1994
Please review the attached Site Plan drainage calculations.
If you have any questions, please contact me at 765-1938.
Enc.
cc: Raymond Jacobs, Highway Superintendent
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SUPERINTENDENT..
SOUTHOLD TOWN HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT
JAMES A. RICHTER,
ENGINEERING INSPECTOR
Fax (516)-765-1750
(516)-765-3070
OFFICE OF THE ENGINEER
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
January 18, 1994
Richard G.
Chairman -
Town Hall,
Southold,
Ward
Planning Board
53095 Main Road
New York 11971
Re: Proposed Burger King Restaurant
Site Plan Drainage Calculations
Main Road, Rte. 25, Mattituck
SCTM # 1000-122-7-3.1
Dear Mr. Ward:
As per your request, I have reviewed the recent submission for
the above referenced project, dated 3/26/93 as prepared by Donald
A. Dennis, with regard to storm water runoff.
The drainage calculations provided and the proposed drainage
syst em desi gn shown is adequat e for t he proposed proj ect and is
considered to meet the minimum requirements of the Town.
If you have any additional questions or require any additional
information concerning this matter, please contact my office.
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Richard Ward, Chairman
Southold Town Planning Board
Southold Town Hall
Southold, New York 11971
Dear Mr. Ward:
We respectfully request that you arrange to hold a public
hearing on the proposed construction of a Burger King in Mattituck.
A hearing would afford an excellent opportunity for town residents
to express opinions and concerns regarding this controversial
structure.
Your consideration is appreciated.
Very truly yours,
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I would like to you take under consideration a public
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ADJACENT TO
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TEL: UH6) 369-B200
FAX: t~161 369-9080
January 28, 1994
Town of Southold Planning Board
53095 Main Road, Post Office Box 1179
southold, New York 11971
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Gentlemen:
I am aware that representatives of the North Fork
Environmental Council have presented a petition with approximately
150 names requesting a public hearing in connection with the
application for the Burger King site. No particular reason is
advanced for this request, and I submit that none exists.
SUbmitting a petition with 150 names on it in a town with
8,500 households is not only unimpressive but is an attempt by a
few to control the planning process so that their discontent may
again be voiced to Planning Board Members. This applicant has
undergone extraordinary scrutiny in connection with every phase of
its application. It has virtually gone through the entire process
twice. There have been public hearings before the Zoning Board of
Appeals, and as recently as November 1993 there was a public
hearing in connection with the Board's SEQRA determination.
The objection to having a Burger King restaurant has been
uniformly the same and that is that those opposed simply do not
want any fast food establishment in the Town of Southold. There
has recently been a half-hearted attempt to mask total rejection of
so-called fast food establishments by suggesting that such
facilities be placed in another zoning district; this effectively
would prohibit the present applicant from using this site and under
the best of circumstances will deter and prevent all but minimal
fast food operations; this is a weak attempt to avoid the legal
infirmity an outright ban would invoke. Another public hearing
would simply provide a forum to reiterate a position which is
already well known both through the vocal efforts of the opposition
as well as through written material presented to the Board.
The site conforms with the requirements of the Town Code; it
has received approval from the Department of Health; this Board has
indicated on several occasions that there is nothing more to add or
subtract from the plan; and holding a hearing would serve only to
delay the process of approval. Unfortunately, the manipulation of
the site plan approval process and protracting final approval is
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apparently a primary goal of those seeking a hearing. However,
when there is no reason given for requesting a public hearing, and
none in fact exists, then the site plan process becomes perverted
by simply allowing delay.
I submit that the Planning Board of the Town of Southold
should not be used by any group to further its own ends and to
manipulate the time frame for approval of a site plan. After years
of review, approval from the Health Department, certification by
the Building Inspector, and conceptual approval by the state
Department of Transportation, the applicant should not be thwarted
and the process prolonged by an all too transparent request for a
pUblic hearing.
Very truly yours,
CJ..-t 4' CYV"
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Mr. McDonald: If you want to know, you can call during the day and ask
for Bob and say, "Hey, what's happening?", and he'll be happy to tell you
what's transpired.
Wes Ruroede: Thank you.
Mr. Ward: Anybody else like to address the Board before we go into a wor',
session?
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Linda Fletcher -- NFEC: Do I give these to you?
Mr. McDonald: Just for the record, do you want to read what it is?
Mr. Ward: Due to the extremely sensitive nature of the proposed Burger
King on the Main Road in MattituCk, we, the undersigned urgently request
the Southold Town Planning Board to hold a public hearing on the Cofam
Realty application, pursuant to Southold Town Code, Section 100--254, Sub-.
section H. And there are three sheets of 11 signatures. Anything else?
I guess the motions in order, and it's been seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. McDonald. Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Ward
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
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There being no further business to corne before the Board, the meeting was
adjourned at 7:50 P.M.
Respectfully Submitted,
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Richard G. Ward, Chairman
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of '.fljidi; Mol... dle..... of dle
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proposed !I1OrJOr KIat __ in
MlIlIi1l<k. ill .... Town of Southoll!.
CGlIIlly ofSolfo\t. _ of New Voolt.
Suffolk.Co.nry Tu"Map Number
1000-122.7.3.1.
The propcT!Y I'. bonIcRcI nn .he
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IlM'IIOU>TOWN
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ItidunI G. Ward
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STATE OF .YORKI
ISS:
OF SUFFOLK)
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of Mattituck, in
said County, being duly .wom, saya; that he/she
is Principal Clerk of THE SUFFOLK TIMES, a
Weekly Newspaper, published at Mattituck, in
the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk and
State of New York, and that the Notice of which
the annexed is a printed copy, hu been regular-
ly pubnshed in said Newspaper once each week
for , weeks successively, j"opmenclng on
the I 0 day of .K.b. 19ft.
CHRISTINA VOUNSKI "L _ .
NoIsty Public, SlBte of N_ YaItt t,U'"
No. 600<1881 W
OuBllfied in Suffolk County Principal Clerk
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s,. , 'T 01' NEW YORK
LEGAL NanCE
Notice of Public Hearing
NOT.lCE IS HEREBY
GIVEN that pursuant to Sec-
tion 276 of the, .Thwn Law, a
pUblic hearing will be held by
the Sollthold hn Planning
Board, at the Thwo Hall, Main
Road, Sollthpld, New York in
said Thwn on t!le 7th day of
March, ~. on the question
of the following:
7:30 P.M. Public hearing for
the proposed Burger King
Ri lbranfm Milttituclt, in Ihe
Thwo of SouthOld, County pf
S!1ffplk, State of New Vprk.
SUffolk County Thx Map
Nu~l/U1OOO-l22-7-3.1.
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~"'~RDad2S; on
t* wea; " '1aiJd now or
fiinnerlY' Of Brisotti and
Silk worth, Inc., and land now
or 'for~rly of E. Murphy
GanIeft"Center; on the south
by Old Main Roac); and on the
west by lalid now or formerly
of Cofam Really Cl). and land
now or fpl'lllerly of Fliss.
Any person desiring to be
hear<! on the above matter
shouldap~ at Ihe time and
plachbove;;speclf!ed.
Dated: Febrwiry'''', Imh
BY. ORDER OF. THE
SOUTHOLl> roWN
"LANNING' BOARD
Richard G. Ward
Chairman
IX.2110/94
P,tricia Wood, being duly sworn, says that she is the
[eLtJl, of THE LONG ISLAND TRAVELER-WATCHMAN,
a rublic newspaper printed at Southold, in Suffolk County;
al,,1 that the notice of which the annexed is a printed copV,
1-,'" heen .published in saiel Long Island Trav~er-W"tchl:"ll1
()llC'~ l'.lCh week lor. , . . , , . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . , . .. weeks
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BARBARA A. SCHNEIDER
NOTARY PUBLIC, St,te 01 New York
No. 4806346
Q"lilicd in Suffolk County
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FEB I A 1994
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CHARLES R. CUDDY
ATTORNEY AT LAW
180 OLD COUNTRY ROAD (RTE. 58)
P. O. BOX 1~47
RlVERHEAD, NY 11901
ADJACENT TO
MOTOR VEHICLE DEPARTMENT
TEL: (&16) 369-6200
FAX: (1516) 369-9080
February 16, 1994
Planning Board
Town of Southold
Main Road
Southold, New York 11971
Re: Cofram Realty (Burger King)
Gentlemen:
This is to confirm the position that I have taken before the
Board at its work sessions as follows:
1. My client is entitled to final approval of its
application. It has received Health Department approval,
certification from the building inspector, and has received, from
this Board, a conditional negative declaration under SEQRA. Any
additional permits or approvals, such as New York Department of
Transportation, will be submitted to the building inspector. It is
the building inspector who has the authority to issue the building
permit based upon receipt of such approvals.
2. There is no basis for a public hearing with respect to
this site plan. Actually nothing has been presented to the Board
to justify the hearing except petitions from a handful of
opponents. If this is the basis for a discretionary hearing then
in the future you will be bound to recognize any group's upset with
any site plan application and hold a hearing or series of hearings
(this applicant has already u~dergone several public hearings) in
order to satisfy the whims of the opposition. Factually the site
plan is ripe for approval and should be approved. Legally there is
no basis for holding a public hearing and such a hearing is
contrary to law.
3. I urge you to promptly give approval to the site plan
before you and not encourage further delays in this process.
Very truly yours,
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Charles R. cuddy)
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George Ritchie Latham, Jr.
Bennett Orlowski, Jr.
Mark S. McDonald
Kenneth L. Edwards
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PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
February 15, 1994
Charles R. Cuddy
Attorney at Law
180 Old Country Rd. (Rte. 58)
P.O. Box 1547
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Proposed Site Plan for
Burger King Restaurant
SCTM# 1000-122-7-3.1
Dear Mr. Cuddy:
The following resolution was adopted by the Southold Town
Planning Board at a meeting held on Monday, February 14, 1994:
BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set
Monday, March 7, 1994 at 7:30 P.M. for a final public hearing
on the maps dated December 21, 1993.
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Richard G. Ward "'1:5
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TIMES / REVIEW
NEW SPA PER S
7785 MolIl Roo[j PO Bux 1500 Mottltllck NY 11952.5162983200
January 5, 1994
Richard Ward, Chairman
Southold Town Planning Board
Southold Town Hall
Southold, NY 11971
Dear Dick:
Season's greetings (again). Hope your holidays were pleasant.
I'm writing again about the proposed Burger King because I
understand the 3D-day comment period expires this Friday, Jan. 8.
This time my concern has to do with the revised traffic flow plan
disclosed at your most recent meeting.
My understanding is that the Planning Board's negative
declaration includes two references to the original DOT plan,
which called for the creation of a left-turn lane for westward
bound traffic. Now, I understand, the plan has been revised, at
the request of the applicant, to call for widening the shoulder
on the north side of the Main Road to allow westbound traffic to
pass on the right cars making left-hand turns into Burger King.
As the owner of the business on the north side of the Main Road,
directly across from the proposed Burger King, I find this
alternative unacceptable. We have a serious traffic situation
already, with left-hand turns out of The Suffolk Times parking
lot presenting a major hazard a good part of the day. In fact,
one member of our staff, Sue Miller, suffered severe injuries in
an accident at this very site, and it was caused by a car
traveling on the westbound shoulder. Under the revised DOT plan,
this hazard would be exacerbated with a significant increase in
the number of cars driving on the shoulder. Additional accidents
are inevitable under this alternative.
Our first choice, of course, is no Burger King whatsoever. But if
you do allow one to come to town, please make it under the
condition that the company meets all requirements -- including
adherence to the original conditions set forth in the Nov. 9
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letter from DOT to Burger King's engineering consultants. Burger
King can afford to do the right thing, and the employees of The
Suffolk Times and The News-Review (and others traveling on Route
25 in Mattituck) can't afford more accidents.
Thank you for taking our concerns into consideration.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Troy G stavson
Execut've Editor & Co-Publisher
PS: If, in the future, the Planning Board allows development of
the three parcels to the east of The Suffolk Times, I hope you
will consider the installation of some form of common access
driveway parallel to the Main Road, with one or two curb cuts for
all four parcels. Particularly if you allow Burger King to come
to town, four curb cuts opposite a Main Road fast-food restaurant
would have disastrous implications, too. If necessary, we would
be willing to abandon our access to Route 25, or share the
existing curb cut with our neighbors to the east, particularly if
it means improving safety on this stretch of highway. Thanks.
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BO~49 Sailor's Needle Rd.
Mattituck, New York 11952
January 1, 1994 S/A.8Fit.&"
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Soucholo Town Planning Board
'i'own Hall
Southold, New York 11971
JAN 6
Dear Mr. Ward:
As long-time residents and ~axpayers of the hamlet of Mattituck,
Town of Southold, we once again petition the Planning Board. We ask
that you fullfil your duties to protect the character of the Town and
its quality of life on which the townspeople's economic viability
depends.
Your recent action, i.e., the negative declaration with regard to
the siting of a fast food establishment (now Burger King, yesterday
McDonalds, tomorruw i'i j completely disregards t..he heal ttl and economic
well-being of the residents of Mattituck and sets dangerous precedents
for the en"tire Town of Southold. We ask that you rescind the Neg. Dec.
and undertake a full environmental impact assessment to ascertain that
this proposed action will not adversely affect our health (increased
traffic and carbon monoxide, increased burden toSround ane surface
waters, etc.) safe"ty (traffic, crime, etc.) economic well-being (impact
on property values, tourist economy, etc.)
We ask you to take a hard look at other areas where fast food
establishments have contributed to the degradation of a neighborhooQ and
recognize that once the North Fork tiecomes another Rocky Point, the
tourist economy and property values will disintegrate.
We also ask that you recognize that environmental impact assessments
and the public hearings that are part of che State Environmental Quality
Review Act are not to be taken lightly. They are for the purpose of
investigating effects on the overall environment (not just spotted sala-
manc:i.ers and spartina). Based on "the hiscory of Long Island, it is our
opinion that the ;1amlet of Matdtuck, an.d indeed, the entire Town of
Southold, will be forever changed by your ne9~tive declaration. By that
action, you tell ~he people of Mattituck thac their health and economic
well-being mean nothing to you and the Town government you represent.
If th~s ~s not the case, we ask that you, and the Board engage in
some long-range planning to help restore that part of Mattituck that has
become a dumping ground. With your vision and departmental expertise,
the entrance to Southold Town could be restored to its former scenic
beauty and truly be a fitting ga..:eway to the Town.
As for your concerns regarding a law sui~, legal precedent in the
State of New York ensures your right to protect our health and welfare.
We en"treat you "to ensure "tha t sound planning prevails. Call for tne
SEQRA process and full EIS on "the Bu;:-ger King proposal. And then, use
your office to petition the new ~own Board to make sure that this cannot
happen aqain.
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Board Monday set the stage for final
approval of the town's first fast-food
restaurant, over the protest of about
40 residents.
As lead agency for Burger King's
application to construct a restaurant
on the site formerly proposed for a
McDonald's in Mattituck, the Plann-
ing Board declared that the project
would not have a significant impact
on the environment. The decision
means that a lengthy environmental
study will not be required of the ap-
plicant, Cofam Realty, which owns
the Main Road property.
Two years ago, the Board of Ap-
peals approved McDonald's ap-
plicaton for a special exception use to
operate a fast-food restaurant but I
denied its request for a drive-through I
window. Burger King has no plans to '_.
operate a drive-through window, and
the Appeals Board has ruled that its
approval for the fast-food restaurant
"runs with the land;'
Some had hoped that the Planning
Board would require an-indepth
review of the project to open up the
process for public hearings. North
Fork Environmental Counci I
spokesperson Linda Fletcher said the
board's decision "cut off any further
review" and would "open the doors
for other fast-food chains.
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Mr. Rlchard Ward
Chalrman, South old Town Plannlng Board
53095 Main Road
Southold, N.Y. 11971
Dear Slr:
It has come to our attention that Burger Klng 1.
currentlJ .eeklng to acqulre the property ln Mattltuck
that McDonald. was lnterested In.
We would 11ke to requelt that a publlc hearlng be
held to call the attentlon ot our people to Sectlon 100-254
Subsectlon H ot the Southold Town Code, and a tull BEQHA
reylew ot the lmpalrment on the pre.ent area.
A McDonald. ln Mattltuck could verJ well be the
harbinger ot a prollteratlon ot the .ame tJpe ot eaterle.
ln our town.
The generatlon ot large amount. ot garbage plus the
11ttering ot our .treet., e.peclally in the .ummer tlme,
should be con.ldered.
It 1. our pOlltlon that the eaterle. we already haye
ln Bouthold town are more than .uttlclent to take care ot
the need. ot the people ot Southold and .ummer vll1tors.
We hope somethlng can be done about a publlc hearlng
on thls matter in the near tuture,
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Southold Town Planning Board
Main Road
S'Jlthold, N.Y. 11971
Dear Members of the Board:
In reference to the Cofaro Realty application for a proposed
Burger King on the Main Road Ln Mattituck, I urgently request a
public hearing.
Thank You.
Sincerely,
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Kenneth L. Edwards
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PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOrD
TO:
Thomas Fisher, Building
Inspector In Charge
Plan Reviewer .~
FROM:
Robert G. Kassner, Site
RE:
Proposed Site Plan for
Main Road, Cutchogue
SCTM#1000-122-7-3.1
Burger King Restaurant
DATE:
January 6, 1994
Please review the attached for certification.
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall. 53095 Main Ron.d
P. O. Box 1179
Southold. New York 11971
Fax (516) 765 . 1823
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January 3, 1994
Richard Ward, Chairman
Southold Town Planning Board
Town Hall
Southold, New York
Dear Mr.Ward,
The board of the Orient Association respectfully urges you to
hold a pUblic hearing on the proposed Burger King establishment.
You have the right to do so under Southold Code Section 100-2554,
Sub.H, and we believe that the extraordinarily significant and
potentially transforming move of creating the first fast
food/franchise in Southold Town warrants, at the very least,
your using your discretion in calling a meeting to discuss its
implications and hear the public's views and concerns. We believe
that questions of possible impairment of the existing community
character and of related long-term, short-term and crucial
effects of this action should have warranted a positive SEQRA
declaration and public review.
At his inauguration, Supervisor Wickham particularly stressed
the importance of public input in arriving at GOOD decisions. In
this new, enlightened era of open government, it would be a real
p~ty if a cruciatlV imp~rtant decision such as this were made
w1thout concern for,~d knowledge Of, the public W~tt.
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Freddie Wachsberger,
Secretary
Anne Hopkins
Joel Lauber
Susan Madigan
Ruth Tuthill
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Mr. Richard Ward, Chairman
Southold Town Planning Board
Town Hall
Nain Road
Southold, NY 11971
Dear J'lr. 't'iard,
~ith regard to the application of Burger King in
fllattituck for the building of a "fast Food" restaurant, we request
that the Ne~ative condition declaration be changed to Positive
since this change would require the full SEQRA review which would
include a full public hearing. The hard look which should be
taken goes well beyond studies of architecture and traffic
safety.
To be hard enough, the hard look shJuld include a
study of the effect that permitting this building and its type
of business would have on the neighborhood, the community as a
whole- in fact/the entire town.
We are informed that the Southold Town Code 100-254
Section H also relquires a public hearing on this site plan.
Obviously, a large organization like Burger King
and its parent corporation will be a potent component "any
community - in our opinion it and other such that might wish,
almost certainly will wish, to follow are far too large a mouthful
for a little town. There are plenty of th*ir sort a few miles
west.
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P. O. BOX 1547
RIVERHEAD. NY 11901
ADJACENT TO
MOTOR VEHICLE DEPARTMENT
TEL: (516) 369-8200
FAX: (fUel 369-9080
January 10, 1994
Town of Southold Planning Board
53095 Main Road, Post Office Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
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Gentlemen:
Re: Application of Cofam Realty Co. (Burger King) -
correspondence dated 12/20/93 from the North Fork
Environmental Council
Once again the North Fork Environmental Council, through
Linda Fletcher, has expressed opposition to the above application
and in particular to the SEQRA determination made by this Board.
As the Board is aware, the present application is for the same use
at the same site for which this Board previously granted a
conditional negative declaration and determination of non-
significance. This Board again referred this matter to its
environmental consultant and has painstakingly reviewed every facet
of the application. The resulting conditioned negative declaration
is a careful and reasoned elaboration of the environmental
significance of this application.
Throughout this entire proceeding, including the public hearing,
nothing new has been added to the objections voiced by the North
Fork Environmental Council. Their opposition is without substance.
Reference to solid waste is without basis since the applicant has
indicated that solid waste is to be transported out of town. Their
continuing reference to impairment of the character of the
neighborhood begs the questions since this is not new zoning; the
use is permitted by special exception under the zoning code.
Implicit in this permitted use is that the Town has considered the
character of the neighborhood in the zoning plan. The special
exception has been granted; the only pertinent question is whether
the site plan meets the requirements of the Town Code.
with particular reference to the state Environmental Quality Review
Act the stated basis to set aside or rescind the conditioned
negative declaration is if it is determined that a project
modification causes a significant environmentally effect or there
exists a change of circumstance not previously addressed, 6 NYCRR
617.6 (i). This point is not even seriously pursued by the North
Fork Environmental Council. Passing reference to the Department of
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January 10, 1994
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Transportation's requirements is not germane since the applicant
has indicated it will adhere to the terms of the DOT's letter of
November 9, 1993. There is no basis to change the determination of
the Planning Board made on November 15, 1993, granting a
determination of non-significance and a Conditioned Negative
Declaration to this applicant.
It is apparent that the NFEC has lost sight of the purpose of
SEQRA. "...it is the intention of these regulations that a
suitable balance of social, economic and environmental factors be
incorporated in the planning and decision-making processes of
state, regional and local agencies. It is not the intention of
SEQRA that environmental factors be the sole consideration in
decision-making." 6 NYCRR 617.1 (d). This applicant has twice
been through the SEQRA process and is prepared to take whatever
steps are necessary to support the recommendation of the
environmental consultant and the determination of the Planning
Board.
Very truly yours,
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Richard Ward, Chairman
Planning Board
Town Hall
Southold, NY 11971
Dear Mr. Ward:
We thought we had fought the good fight when we let
the Town Board, planning Board and zoning Board know a few
years back that we didn't want McDonalds or any other fast
food chain in the Town of Southold. Evidently the message
was lost somewhere along the way because now we are presented
with the fact that Burger King is trying to build in the same
spot...the only difference being that they say they will not
have a drive-in window.
We already have all the fast food chains anyone would
need up on Route 58 in Riverhead. In case Riverhead doesn't
look bad enough to you, drive up to Selden or Coram. Is this
what we want on the North Fork. Unfortunately, it seems that
once one of these chains corne in, the rest soon follow.
We must put rules, stops, and legislature in place right
now if we don't want the North Fork to look like every other
town on Long Island which grew so haphazardly without proper
planning and zoning.
We request that you rescind the negative declaration on
Burger King and do a complete SEQUA process on this matter.
CertainlY, the environment, traffic pattern, garbage problem
noise problem, etc. will be adversely affected if Burger King
comes to town.
Sincerely,
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RIVEHHEAD, NY 11901
ADJACENT TO
MOTOR VEHICLE DEPARTMENT
TEL: Cl'Ha. 369*8200
FAX: U5161 369-9080
January 6, 1994
Mr. Robert Kassner
Town of Southo1d Planning Board
53095 Main Road, Post Office Box 1179
Southo1d, New York 11971
Dear Mr. Kassner:
Re: Application of Cofam Realty Co. (Burger King)
Enclosed are two copies of the site plan with the Suffolk
County Department of Health Services' endorsement approving that
plan. Would you please submit this site plan to the building
inspector for certification.
In the conditional negative declaration (notice of determina-
tion non-significant) dated 11/15/93, condition number one
indicates that impacts which result from the present lack of
turning lanes are to be addressed by the applicant and refers to
the State Department of Transportation's 11/9/93 letter. While the
applicant and the DOT have agreed upon a different method of
addressing the State's concerns, the applicant has agreed to
proceed in accordance with the State's letter of 11/9/93 and
install a turning lane for westbound traffic. Therefore, it will
not be necessary to reconsider this condition.
The Board has indicated on several occasions that the site
plan meets its requirements and under the circumstances, upon
certification, the applicant should receive final site plan
approval from the Board. The Town Code S100.253A specifically
indicates that the Board is to approve the site plan and then
submit it to the building inspector who issues a building permit
when all other approvals and permits required are submitted to him.
The applicant is entitled to final approval and to have the
approved site plan forwarded to the building inspector. I request
that you confirm that this will now be accomplished.
Very truly yours,
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January 5, 1994
Richard Ward, Chainnan
Southold Town Planning Board
53095 Main Rd.
Southold, N.Y. 11971
Re: Burger King, Mattituck
Dear Mr. Ward and Members of the Board:
In reference to the Cofam Realty application to build a Burger
King resturant on the Main Road in Mattituck, I urgently request the
Planning Board to take the required " hard look ".
A hard look goes beyond the architectural design of a building.
Impainnent of the existing corrrnunity character, related short tenn,
long tenn and cumulative effects rrust also be taken into consideration.
Sincerely,
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George Ritchie Latham. Jr.
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Town Hall. 53095 Main Road
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Southold. New York 11971
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December 29, 1993
John P. Brisotti
Daniel V. Brisotti
Brisotti & Silkworth Insurance
P.O. Box 1448
Mattituck, NY 11952
Re: Burger King Restaurant - Mattituck
Gentlemen:
The Suuthold Town Planning Board is responsible for the site
plan review and approval of commercial property development,
incl~ding the current Burger King application.
The use of "fast food" restaurants in the specific business zone
proposed for Mattituck.is a zoning use issue which is controlled
by the Town Board, not the Planning Board.
The Planning Board has suggested that "fast food" restaurants in
Southold Town be limited to shopping centers and hamlet business
zones. A copy of your letter will be forwarded to the Town
Board for their consideration.
Thank you for your interest and comments.
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George Ritchie Latham. Jr.
Bennett Orlowski, Jr.
Mark S. McDonald
Kenneth L. Edwards
Town HaD. 53095 Main Road
P. O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Telephone (516) 765-1938
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTH OLD
Fax (516) 765 - 1823
December 29, 1993
Paul E. Hale
5132 North Bayview Road
Southold, NY 1197
Re: Burger King Restaurant - Mattituck
Dear Mr. Hale:
The Southold Town Planning Board is responsible for the site
plan review and approval of commercial property development,
including the current Burger King application.
The use of "fast food" restaurants in the specific business zone
proposed for Mattituck is a zoning use issue which is controlled
by the Town Board, not the Planning Board.
The Planning Board has suggested that "fast food" restaurants in
Southold Town be limited to shopping centers and hamlet business
zones. A copy of your letter will be forwarded to the Town
Board for their consideration.
Thank you for your interest and comments.
Richard G.
Chairman
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pLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOurHOLD
Fax (516) 765 - 1823
December 29, 1993
Michael A. LoGrande
63 Pinedale Road
Hauppauge, NY 11788
Re: Burger King - Mattituck
Dear Mike,
Thank you for your letter of December 2, 1993 regarding "fast
food" restaurants in Southold Town.
The planning Board agrees with your comments and has suggested
to the Town Board to limit "fast food" restaurants to existing
shopping centers and hamlet business zones.
We are forwarding a copy of your letter to the Town Board for
their consideration. Thank you for your interest and comments.
V ry truly yours,
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Chairman
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December 23, 1993
Mr. Richard Ward
Chairman
Southold Town Planning Board
Town Hall
Southold, NY 11971
Dear Mr. Ward:
I understand from an article in The Suffolk Times (copy enclosed) that the Southold Town
Planning Board has ruled that the proposed Burger King fast food outlet for the Main Road in
Mattituck "would have no environmental impact on the surrounding community". While this
may not be the only necessary requirement towards approval of this facility, your board's
ruling is a serious step in that direction. And that direction, to this resident and to many
others, is an inappropriate one for Southold Town.
As an opponent of the MacDonald's franchise a few years ago, and as a supporter of the
proposition that Southold must not become another Smithtown (or pick almost any other town
west of Southold), I believe that a national fast food franchise such as Burger King has no
place in our town. On the fact of the matter, it most certainly would have an environmental
impact, including a build-up of traffic, trash and noise which would be significantly increased
over what exists presently. The business district of Mattituck has gotten pretty developed, but
it is still not Riverhead. A national fast food franchise would not have an environmental
impact there, but it would in Mattituck. Anyone who lives in Southold can understand the
difference, and it should hardly even require an environmental impact study to conclude this.
Therefore, the Board's actions are both mystifying and maddening.
Beyond the narrow issue of environmental impact is the symbolic and practical nature of the
issue. Unchecked commercial development rolls like a wave. What is allowed to become
acceptable in Mattituck opens the doors to further acceptance in less developed communities
further east. The argument is familiar: " If it's okay there, then why not here?", and, in a
more defeatest tone, "You can't stop progress."
Well, progress needs to be arrested if it is not good for the town or its people. And there are
a majority of our citizens who do believe that Southold's great asset is its semi-rural nature,
that it is different from communities throughout the rest of Long Island. Just ask the
departing administration whether they've heard that message clearly enough.
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I urge you to communicate this message to your Board and to hear and act upon the will of
the people. Thank you.
Sincerely yours,
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Environmental group calls for 3D-day roasting of Burger King impact ruling
By Ruth .Jemlck
MAITITUCK-The North Fork En-
vironmental Council ibis week called
upon town residents opposed to con-
, struction of a Burger King restaurant
on ibe Main Road in Mattituck to
make ibeir feelings known in letters to
ibe town Planning Board.
NFEC officials were angered when.
planners ruled Nov. 15 ibat the pro-
posed fast-food outlet - which is to
be built on land approved two years
ago for construction of a McDonald'~
franchise - would have no envltOn-
mental impact on ibe sUrfoiintling
community. At ibe time, NFEC coor-
dinator Linda Levy disputed Planning
Board chairman Dick Ward's con-
tention ibat Burger King principals
had adequately addressed all planning
concerns. And Ms. Levy also an-
nounced that local environmentalists
are considering a lawsuit to block ibe
hamburger chain's incursion into
Souibold Town.
In asking fast-food opponents to step
forward this week, ibe NFEC re-
minded citizens ibat ibere is a manda-
IThere Is a public
comment period, and
we are asking the
public to do Just that
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tory 30-day comment period following
ibe issuance of a conditional negative
declaration before site-plan approval
can be granted an applicant.
"There is a public comment period,
and we are asking the public to do
just that - comment," said Ms. Levy.
"We are hoping ibat people will take
this opportunity to tell the Planning
Board that ibey need to take a harder
look at ibis project."
Noting that ibe 30-day comment pe-
riod does not begin until official noti-
fication is published in a Department
of Environmental Conservation bul-
letin, environmental activist Linda
Fletcher said ibis week that more ihan
30 days remain for pBjllic commeilt.
,0 "We don't know if ib~ Planning Board
,Is aware that ibe collunenl period is
. required, or if they know the clock
hasn't starti:d ronning even now," said
Ms. Fletcher. "We plan to, take full
advantage of ibe law and malee sure
ibe public is heard."
At ihe same time, fast-food propo-
nent Frank Carlin, a Laurel farmer,
addressed ibe Town Board at lengib .
last Tuesday to applaud ihe Planning
Board action. Mr. Carlin has supported '
bom ibe McDonald's and Burger King
applications on ibe grounds that at
least one fast-food restaurant, Sub-
way, already has located in Mattituck.
He also voiced ibe opinion ibat senior,
citizens, tourists and young people
should have an opportunity ~ CI!l. i'!
ibe restaurant of ibeir choice without
having to leave Souibold Town.
Mr. Ward responded to environmen-
talists' statements yesterday by assUr- /
ing town residents that the Plaltlling;' ,
Board does not intend to ignore#'
mandatory 30-day comment pef, I . ~
"In terms of timing, I don't ibe
time frame. beingcridcal';:-Iie ,BlIid;
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board decision yet. It hasn't been
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ATTORNEY AT LAW
180 OLD COUNTRY ROAD (RTE. 58)
P. Q. BOX 1347
RIVERHEAD, NY 11901
TEL: (1!'>16) 369--6200
FAX: (~161 369-9080
ADJACENT TO
MOTOR VEHICLE DEPARTMENT
December 22, 1993
Mr. Robert G. Kassner
Town of southold planning Board
53095 Main Road, Post Office Box 1179
southold, New York 11971
Dear Mr. Kassner:
Re: Application of Cofam Realty Co.
I am enclosing the revised site plan and ask that
you confirm this now meets with the Board's approval so
that we may have appropriate approval endorsed on it.
Very truly yours,
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BRISOTTI & SILK RTH INSURANCE
8400 MAIN ROAD. PO BOX 1 . MAITITUCK. NEW YORK. 11952-0925
VOICE (516) 298-4747 FAX (516) 298-5496
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Southold Town Planning Board
Southold Town Hall
Southold, NY 11971
Attention: Mr. Riichard Ward, Chairman
Dear Mr. Ward:
We are writing to express our views concerning the proposed Burger
King restaurant to be constructed on the property adjoining ours on
the Main Road in Mattituck. As fellow businessmen and property
owners we are in agreement with the views expressed by Troy Gustavson
in his open letter to you published recently in the Suffolk Times
that a fast food restaurant on this property will, indeed, have an
adverse environmental impact.
Our building, presently surrounded by The Suffolk Times, North Fork
Bancorp, and GNS, is located in an area that has a potentia! to be a
professional business district of which the Town can be proud. The
proposed Burger King would permanently mar this image. In addition
to concerns regarding traffic and trash that have already been
expressed, we have our own persona! worry: vandalism.
Though it is only our second year in our building, we have
unfortunately experienced a number of acts of vandalism. In the most
recent episode, most of our back windows were smashed. We can only
assume that a fast food operation that attracts a transient, late
night clientele can only increase our exposure.
We have made an investment here in Southold in our future. We like
to think we have also helped preserve and improve a town that we
love. We urge you and your fellow planners to consider all the
ramifications that the construction of a fast food restaurant will
have. This is a unique opportunity for the Planning Board to
exercise good judgement and forethought for the good of
businessowners and the Town as a whole. We urge you to do so.
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(516) 298-4747
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Dunn Engineering Associates
66 Main Street
Westhampton Beach, New York 11978
Attention:
Mr. Vincent Corrado
Dear Mr. Corrado:
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Our Case No. 90-393
Buraer Kina Restaurant
Route 25. Mattituck
Your December 2. 1993 Submission
We have reviewed your proposal to widen and provide traffic bearing
shoulder pavement on the north side of Route 25 opposite the
entrance to the proposed Burger King Restaurant. This plan was
developed as an alternative to the previously requested development
of a westbound left turn lane on Route 25 into the Burger King
site.
Based on the project data and information presented at the November
24th meeting between yourself, the property owner and members of my
staff, we can accept your alternate proposal for 300' of shoulder
reconstruction in lieu of the left turn lane.
Kindly submit 10 copies of your roadway improvement and site
development plans for our review. Upon approval of these plans, we
can issue a Highway Work Permit. Send these plans to Mr. Vito
Lena, our Regional Permit Engineer, at the above address. Refer to
our case number in all correspondence.
Very truly y~urs,
Original Signed By
JAMES o. FREIN
JAMES O. FREIN
Regiona~raffic
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Engineer
Scopaz, Town of Southo1d
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George Ritchie Latham. Jr.
Bennett Orlowski. Jr.
Mark S. McDonald
Kenneth L. Edwards
SC01TL.HARRIS
Supervisor
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
Town Hall. 53095 Main Road
p. o. Box] 179
Southold. New York 11971
Telephone (5] 6) 765-1938
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTH OLD
Fax (5]6) 765 - 1823
December 14, 1993
Charles R. Cuddy
.lI.ttorney at Law
180 Old Country Road (Rte. 58)
P.O. Box 1547
Riverhead, NY 11901
RE: Proposed Site Plan for
Burger King Restaurant
Main Road, Mattituck
Zoning District: General Business (B)
SCTM# 1000-122-7-3.1
Dear Mr. Cuddy:
This letter will confirm the Board's review of the above
referenced project with you and Mr. Dennis at its work session
of December 13, 1993.
The following was discussed:
1. Granite block will be used for curbing in place of
concrete.
2. Additional landscaping will be added after the site is
constructed upon request by the Planning Board Board.
3. Ground cover will be placed on the slope to the
Fliss property located on the West boundary.
4. Pavers or evergreens will be used in place of
wood Chips.
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TEL: 1151.6) 369-8200
FAX: (~16) 369-9080
December 9, 1993
Town of Southold Planning Board
53095 Main Road, Post Office Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Attention: Mr. Robert Kassner
Gentlemen:
Re: proposed site Plan for Burger King Restaurant
Enclosed is an amended copy of a Van Tuyl map of the subject
parcel and adjoining parcel Showing contour lines along the
adjoining parcel now or formerly of Fliss. Please include this
with the revised maps.
Very truly yours,
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Enclosure
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James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Richard C. Wilton
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
March 30, 1993
Charles R. Cuddy, Esq.
180 Old Country Road
P.O. Box 1547
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Stanley Cohen, Cofaro Realty (OWner)
Proposed Fast Food Restaurant at Mattituck
1000-122-7.3.1 (2.99 acres)
Dear Mr. CUddy:
This will confirm that the footprint for the proposed
fast-food restaurant, without drive-thru facilities, as shown on
the latest plan (prepared by Donald A. Denis received March 29,
1993) is acceptable and the plan is found to be primarily
(90-95%) in conformance with the Special Exception permit issued
to the owner (Cofaro Realty) and original plan approved
thereunder. Based on this map, a new Special Exception permit
will not be required. .
The property owner will, of course, be required to proceed
in Obtaining final site plan approval from the Southold Town
Planning Board, as well as obtaining approvals from the County
Health Department, N.Y.S. Department of Transportation, and Town
Building Department.
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Route 25 at Love Lane, PO Box 799, Mattltuck, NY 11952
516.298.8880
To: Southold Town Planning Board .
From: North Fork Environmental Council/Linda Fletcher ~ ~
Date: December 20, 1993
Re: The SEQRA determination of The Southold Town Planning Board
for the application of COFAM REALTY for the proposed Fast
Food Restaurant (Burger King, Inc.) on Main Road (State
Route 25), Mattituck
Since early August The North Fork Environmental Council has
repeatedly insisted that the requisite "hard look" be given to
the above referenced application. Instead, the Southold Town
Planning Board issued a Determination of Non-significance on
November 15,1993. Once again during this public comment period
pursuant to SEQRA the Council is aSking that this Board commit
itself to a full SEQRA review for the following reasons. 6 NYCRR
Part 617.7 (h) (2) (i).
On page 2 of the Determination immediately following the
heading "Reasons Supporting this Determination" is the fOllowing
text.
"This determination is issued in full consideration
of the criteria for determination of significance
contained in 6 NYCRR Part 617.11, the Long Environ-
mental Assessment Form Parts I, II, and III, and the
following specific reasons:" (Emphasis added).
A review of this section will show that nowhere are the following
criteria considered as stated in the Introductory Paragraph. (See
above). The following criteria are contained in 6 NYCRR Part
617.11.
"Part 617.11 (a)
(1) a substantial adverse change in solid waste
production...
(5; the impairment of the character or quality of
existing community or neighborhood character;
(9) the creation of a material demand for other actions
which would result in one of the above
consequences;".
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Environmental Conservation Law (ECL) also mandates that "the
lead agency must consider reasonably related long-term, short
term and cumulative effects, including other simultaneous or
subsequent actions which are likely to be undertaken as a result
thereof"; 6 NYCRR Part 617.11 (b). Subsection (c), (1) through
(7) of Part 617.11 also applies. The document prepared by the
Southold Town Planning Board is deficient in these aspects in
that there is no consideration of the above sections.
Part 617.6 (g) (1) of 6 NYCRR requires that an EIS be filed
for a proposed unlisted action if the proposed unlisted action
"may include the potential for at least one significant
environmental effect." This Board cannot be considered to have
fulfilled its legal obligations under SEQRA when it continues to
overlook stated criteria that "include the potential for at least
one significant environmental effect." Id. New York State
decisional law has continuously supported the position taken by
The North Fork Environmental Council. See Chinese Staff and
Workers Association et al.. ~ City of New York,68 N.Y.2d~9
(1986); Berenson v. Town of New Castle,38 N.Y.2d 102 (1975);
Tehan v. Scrivani~9 A.D.2d 769, 468 N.Y.2d 402 (1983); Cohalan
~ Carey,88 A.D.2d 77, 452 N.Y.2d 639 (1982).
Returning again to the text of the Determination of Non-
Significance it is asserted by this Board that "full
consideration" was given to "criteria...contained in the Long
Environmental Assessment Form Parts I, II, and III,..." (Emphasis
added). Questions #18 and #19 pose the-critical inquiries here.
The responses to both, prepared by this Board's consultants,
underscore the importance of a full SEQRA review. Additionally,
the Board's consultants indicate that "solid waste handling
methods should be specified"; a condition that is not even
mentioned much less spelled out in the Conditioned Negative
Declaration. (See attached, page").
Since the Southold Town Planning Board issued the Conditioned
Negative Declaration for this application, it has come to the
attention of the North Fork Environmental Council that one of the
two conditions has been substantially modified by the applicant.
This change invalidates the Conditioned Negative Declaration.
The change is a substantial one relating to the necessity of a
westbound left turn lane. The "left turn lane", a condition of
this Board's Declaration, has been eliminated by the applicant
and the NYSDOT and transformed into a mere "300' shoulder
reconstruction." The Council finds this change unacceptable and
a violation of the intention of the Conditioned Negative
Declaration.
In conclusion, The North Fork Environmental Council has:
1) consistently presented to this Board the importance
of a full SEQRA review in this matter together with
supporting statutory and decisional documentation;
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2) consulted with legal counsel concerning the defects
present in this Board's review;
3) and is prepared to take action necessary to assure full
compliance with the law.
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ExAmples thAt would Apply to column 2
. The permAnent populAtion of the city, town or villaae in which the
project is lOCAted is likely to arow by more than 5%.
. The municipAl bud,et for upitAI expenditures or operAtin, services
will Incruse by more tNin 5" per year AS a result of this project.
. Proposed ACtion will conflict with officially adopted plAns or ,oAIs.
. Proposed Action will CAUse A chanae in the density of land use.
. Proposed Action will replace or eliminate existina facilities, structures
or Areas of historic importance to the community.
. Development will create a demand for additional community services
(e.,. schools, police and fire, etc.)
. Proposed Action will set an important precedent for future projects.
. Proposed Action will create or eliminate employment.
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If Any Action In Part 2 Is Identified as a Potential Large Impact or
If You Cannot Determine the Magnitude of Impact, Proceed to Part 3
Part 3-EVALUATION OF THE IMPORTANCE OF IMPACTS
Responsibility of lead Aaency
Part 3 must be prepared if one or more Impact(s) is considered to be potentially Iarae, even if the imp"ct(s) mllY be
mltlpted.
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Discuss the followina for each impact identified in Column 2 of Part 2:
,. Briefly describe the impact.
2. Describe (if applicable) how the impact could be mitiaated or reduced to a small to moderate impact by project chanae(s).
3. Based on the information available, decide if it is reasonable to conclude that this impact is importllnt.
To answer the question of importance, consider:
. The probability of the impact occurrina
. The duration of the impact
. Its irreversibility, including permanently lost resources of value
. Whether the impact can or will be controlled
. The realonal consequence of the impact
. Its potential diveraence from local needs and goals
. Whether known objections to the project relate to this impact.
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Ceorge RUehle Latham. Jr.
Bennett Orlowski. Jr.
Mark S. McDonald
Kenneth L. Edwards
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P. O. Box 1179
Southold. New York 11971
Telephone (516) 765-1938
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTH OLD
Fax (516) 765 - 1823
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This notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 of the implementing
regulations pertaining to Article 8 (State Environmental Quality
Review Act) of the Environmental Law.
The Southold Town Planning Board, as lead agency, has determined
that the proposed action descrioed below will not have a
significant effect on the environment and a Draft Environmental
Impact Statement will not be prepared.
Name of Action:
SCTM#:
1000-122-7.-3.1
Location:
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South side of Main Road, 800 feet west
of the intersection of Main Road
and Old Main Road, Mattituck
SEQR Status:
Type I
Unlisted
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Conditioned Negative Declaration: Yes (X
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Proposed 3,000 square foot restaurant with 86 seats on 2.98
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SEQRA Conditional Negative Declaration - Burger King Restaurant
November 15, 1993
Conditions for Burger King Restaurant
1. The impacts that will result from the present lack of
turning lanes shall be addressed by the installation
<;>f road~y ..ID()di. gS~~. ,i"9P.~..,,t8~l'!. -~<!',1!~.. ~q.u. ..,~~..4. ,5:,..~S"i!;:8~CI,.i.ne.4,
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1993, letter to Mr. Vincent Corrado, Dunn Engineering
"Associates.
2. The applicant shall provide a means of minimizing
potential erosion of all slope areas with particular
emphasis on the majority of the slopes which are in the
12-18% range as well as those 30% or more. The pitch of
the land and proximity to Main Road cause concern for
sediment transport during construction activities. The
site plan should indicate a means of avoiding this
situation. ..
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1. Subject property is zoned B (Business). The zoned use
,is permissible in accordance with a special exception
previously approved. The project has been compared to
the bulk and dimensional requirements of the zoning
district and is found to be in conformance with these
requirements.
2. .The Long EAF Part I indicates nitrogen waste water
discharge of less than 900 gallons per day. Article
6 limits on-site discharge of nitrogen waste water
to 900 gallons per day, therefore the discharge of
nitrogen bearing waste of less than 900 gallons per
day is within the sanitary discharge limitation in
Groundwater Management Zone IV, when public water
water is not available. The scope of the project is
consistent with groundwater management guidelines as
outlined in Suffolk County's Sanitary Code (Article 6).
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Richard Ward, Chairman
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53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Re: Burger King. Mattituck
Dear Dick,
I am writing to you in hopes that the Planning Board will consider the proposed
Burger King to have a serious positive environmental impact on the Town of Southold.
As you are aware, the precedent of a free standing fast food establishment will have
traffic generation factors, peaking, and visual quality impacts never before experienced in
the Town of Southold. In addition, the nature of fast food competitive characteristics will
result in additional applications that will have a cumulative affect on already overburdened
arterial roads, as well as increase the incidence of accidents with the corresponding
increase in property damage and personal injuries.
The cumulative affects are clearly evidenced in two nearby strips in our County,
Route 58 in Riverhead and New York State Route 25 in Coram east of New York State
Route 112. Both of these strips started with the location of one fast food restaurant. In
both these areas frequent curb cuts and higher than normal traffic generation has resulted
in increased accidents that have imperiled pedestrians and vehicle occupants alike.
Contemporary planning nationwide now encourages probable cumulative impacts
as the only valid analysis even when dealing with one application on one particular site.
This appears to be the case with Burger King. I therefore strongly urge the Planning
Board to adopt a "positive declaration" giving the community the opportunity to hear
reasonable arguments on the actual impacts of such a proposal.
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One personal note Dick, you will recall that the Town of Islip did extensive
research on fast food restaurants and revised the town's zoning ordinances such that fast
food facilities are only permitted in existing shopping centers which have controlled access
and adequate capacities for parking, circulation, and coverage. As a certified planneJ; I
have assembled substantial research information that would give a very different view of
the Burger King application. This would only be possible if the Planning Board would
reconsider its stance and require a full environmental impact statement. The issue is so
important to the quality of life in Southold that the Planning Board would be acting
responsibly if a positive declaration were issued.
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TIMES / REVIEW
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7785 r,1alll Roan PO Box 1500 ~1allltuck NY 11952.5162983200
December 1, 1993
Richard Ward,
Southold Town
Southold Town
Southold, NY
Chairman
Planning Board
Hall
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Dear Mr.
I am writing in connection with the Planning Board's recent
conclusion that a new Burger King fast-food restaurant on the
Main Road in Mattituck will have no significant adverse
environmental impact.
I must respectfully disagree. As the co-owner of a business that
has invested close to $1 million to erect an office on that
particular stretch of Route 25, I believe such an operation will
irrevocably change the face of the area between the Times/Review
Newspapers office and the North Fork Bancorp headquarters.
Beginning with the bank, and continuing with our building and,
most recently, with the Brisotti & Silkworth insurance building
on the south side of the highway, three neighboring businesses
have made a substantive commitment to upgrading the Route 25
business corridor in Mattituck. For many visitors to our area,
their first sense of Southold Town is the business strip that
runs from the railroad overpass east to Love Lane. Due to past
zoning and planning inadequacies, a significant portion of this
strip is indistinguishable from commercial strip zoning elsewhere
on Long Island, most immediately on Route 58 in Riverhead. Among
the few exceptions, in my opinion, are the three aforementioned
buildings. A fast-food restaurant in their midst (no matter how
~traditional" its design) is bound to stall, or perhaps even
reverse, that trend. Fast-food inevitably means traffic and
litter, neither of which will enhance one of the primary
commercial corridors in our town.
The Planning Board is to be commended for the leadership role it
has played in recent years in defining Southold as a community
that cares deeply about its physical appearance and environmental
resources. Now, when we need you most, I urge you and your fellow
planners not to lessen your resolve simply because just about
everyone else on Long Island seems to have done so.
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fighting, Mr. Ward. And if the Planning Board won't fight it for
those of us who live and work here, who will?
Sincerely,
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Executi
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A Planning 'Boost for Bur'ger King
Main Road proposal
cleared on impact; .
NFEC threatens suit
By Ruth .Jemlck
SOUTHOLD-The town Planning
Board knocked down one of the last
remaining obstacles blocking Burger
King's plan to locate a restaurant on the
Main Road in Mattituck when it ruled
Monday night that the fast-food chain's
planned construction will have no envi-
ronmental impact on the community.
That action angered representatives of
both the North Fork Environmental
Council and the USIUK Stewardship
Task Force, who appeared at the meet-
ing along with more than 50 town resi-
dents to protest the hamburger chain's
proposed incursion into Southold Town.
And NFEC spokeswoman Linda Levy
announced on Tuesday that local
environmentalists now are considering a
lawsuit to stop the project.
"In issuing a negative declaration, the
Planning Board did not adequately
address the impact it would have on
community character," said Ms. Levy.
''The Planning Board is telling us Burger
King will have no impact on the charac-
ter of our town, yet we don't have any
fast-food restaurants. The first time any-
thing is located here it has to have an
impact. _
"We're also concerned that more trasl\, ,."'
will be produced, especially in light 0
the new garbage law," Ms. Levy contin
ued. "Burger King has said that they will .
cart their garbage out of town, but we're
concerned about
the additional
trash people will
leave the restau-
rant with and
take home.
That's going to
end up some-
where... We're
not sure what
we're going to do next. We're going to
explore our legal options."
Task force subcommittee chairman
Greg Palast also was unsuccessful in
asking Planning Board members to hold
off on a decision until the Town Board
and the task force complete an ongoing
review of the planning process in
Southold Town. The task force already
has recommended that fast food restau-
rants be limited to Hamlet-Business dis-
tricts, Mr. Palast noted. (The proposed
site, on which McDonald's first souaht
to build a restaurant in 1991, lies within
a general Business zone.)
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ir votes unanimously in
ve declaration, Planning
rs contended that they
potential impact upon com-
munity charac-
ter, but dis-
counted any
perceived
threat because
the proposed
restaurant will
more closely
resemble a
house than a
'The environmental issues to
be dealt with were
addressed by the applicant
to our satisfaction.'
-Dick Ward, Planning Board chairman
commercial eatery.
"The environmental issues to be dealt
with were addressed by the applicant to
our satisfaction," Planning Board chair-
man Dick Ward said yesterday. "The
use of the property as a restaurant is
allowed. They have a special exception
from the Zoning Board of Appeals, with
the caveat that there be no drive-through
window. Other issues - such as traffic,
noise, lighting and signage - have been
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thoroughly addressed by this applicant
more carefully than any applicant we've
had.
"We had previously given a negative
declaration to McDonald's, which was a
little larger and a little more intense
use," Mr. Ward continued. "We've
heard the people's concerns. Our prob-
lem is that we have to deal with the code
as it is."
Planning Board members Mark
McDonald and Ben Orlowski also sug-
gested at the Monday night meeting that
NFEC andlor task force representatives
should have gone before the Town
Board to seek a change to the Town
Code limiting or banning the location of
fast-food restaurants, if they are opposed
tothem.
. "We were so angry when they said
that," said Ms. Levy. "We have, in fact,
repeatedly gone to the Town Board ask-
ing for that, and they haven't reacted to
us." (On the advice of town attorney
Harvey Arnoff, who believes that ban-
ning anyone specific business' category
would be unconstitutional, Supervisor
Scott Harris last year abandoned plans
for zoning out fast-fonrl resta
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November 113,' ~993'. Th'e'Suff6/k Times. j
Burger King...
Continued from page 3
Supervisor-elect Tom Wickham has said
that he would "not have a problem" with
a fast-food outlet being huilt in
Southold, provided it conforms with
planning and zoning requirements.)
Burger King principals next must
obtain sire-plan approval from the
Planning Board, but that is expected to
pose little problem since building plans
already approved for McDonald's have
been slightly altered and resubmiued on
behalf of Burger King. Attorney Charles
Cuddy, who represents the applicants,
could not be reached for comment prior
to presstime.
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Richard G. Ward. Chalnnan
Oeorge Ritchie Latham. Jr.
Bennett Orlowski, Jr.
Mark s. McDonald
Kenneth L. Edwards
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Town Hall. 53095 Main Road
P. O. Box 1179
Southold. New York 11971
Telephone (516) 765.1938
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Fax (516) 765.1823
November 29, 1993
Charles R. Cuddy
Attorney at Law
180 Old Country Road (Rte. 58)
P.O. Box 1547
Riverhead, NY 11901
RE: Proposed Site Plan for
Burger King Restaurant
Main Road, Mattituck
Zoning District: General Business (B)
SCTM# 1000-122-7-3.1
Dear Mr. Cuddy:
Following is a partial listing of the items that were discussed
with you and Mr. Denis at the Board's work session on Monday
November 22, 1993, regarding the above referenced project:
1. Show contours of adjoining Fiss property and proposed
regrading and landscaping.
2. Street trees do not meet specifications in code.
3. Land bank or relocate four parking spaces on the
northwest side of the property.
4. Stagger street trees along main road.
5. Provide path to dumpster.
6. Review crosswalk and wood chips in median.
7. Shrubs required next to parking area on east side of
bUilding.
8. Review need to reduce grade in front yard five or six
feet as proposed.
9. Additional landscaping required in front yard area
10. Provide sketch to scale Showing color and details of
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wall signs.
11. One way sign and no exit and entry signs should be
provided.
12. Fire access at rear needs to be clear of obstacles and
base indicated.
13. The grading of the Brisotti & Silkworth property to
the east should be shown.
14. How will the five landbanked spaces in the rear be
accessed?
15. Granite block instead of concrete curbing is
recommended.
The issue of a joint fire well was discussed and you had
indicated you would review this suggestion by the fire district.
have any questions, or require further information,
ntact this office.
Encl.
cc: Thomas Fisher, Building Inspector In Charge
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Mr. Richard Ward
Plannill9 Board Chaitrnan
Southold Town
Southold, New York 11971
Dear Sir:
We wish to express our support of your board's decision allowing
a Burger King to be built in Mattituck. This will provide a place for
families with children to enjoy reasonably priced meals.
The argu~ents about take-out food seem a little silly when there
are so many pizza parlors and Chinese food take-out restaurants as well
as a Subway in Mattituck, along with the many delis that now sell take-
out breakfasts and lunches.
Again we commend you on your couragElous decision and we hope your
board won't allow itself to be coerced into any further harassment of
the proposed Burger King.
Very truly yours,
J(l;;Jt: ~
James H. Rich III
and Teresa L. Rich
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Mr. Ward: Mattituck-Laurel Veterinary Hospital - This site plan
is for a 4,598 square foot Veterinary Hospital on 1.377 acres
located on Rt. 25 in Laurel. SCTM# 1000-127-2-5.1 What's the
pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Southold Town
Planning Board authorize the Chairman to endorse the final
surveys dated September 30, 1993. All conditions of final
approval have been met.
Mr. McDonald: Second.
Mr. Ward: Motion seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried. (CHAIRMAN ENDORSED SURVEYS)
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SITE PLANS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT
Determinations:
Burqer Kinq Restaurant - This proposed site plan is for a 3,000
square foot fast food restaurant on a vacant 3 acre parcel on
Route 25 in Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-122-7-3.1 I assume that some
of you here or maybe all of you are here to address the Board on
this issue. I didn't see anybody leave yet because of the other
issues, so at this point I leave the floor open to anybody that
would like to address the Board. We are looking tonight at the
possibility of a passing on the environmental review. That is a
step in the process of doing a site plan. If the Board makes a
determination tonight on the SEQRA process, the process would
extend into a review of the site plan. Before a determination is
made, a final site plan would have to be approved by the Planning
Board. So the floor is open if anybody would like to address the
Board on this issue tonight, please address by giving your name.
Greg Palast: I'm a member of the Southold Town Stewardship Task
Force. Our Chairman, Tom Samuels, couldn't be here tonight.
He's preparing for our own public hearings on this Thursday,
which we hope you'll have the opportunity to attend, to discuss
the recommendations which I just handed out to you, which I'm
sure you've all seen before, but r wanted to make sure you had a
copy. Tom couldn't make it tonight, but I thought it would be
appropriate for me to come in - he's asked me to.
As you know, the Southold Town Task Force has issued 34
recommendations after a year of work. 34 preliminary
recommendations to the Town, after much long deliberation. One
of our recommendations, in specific, is that there be no fast
food establishment outside the hamlet centers. I'm looking for
the specific number in here. Maybe you thought we were kidding,
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but we really have given a lot of thought to this matter. It
almost doesn't matter what number it is in here, I could find it
for you. What's important that it's part of a general overall
very thoughtfully, carefully considered program that we have,
which is aimed towards placing development within the hamlet
centers. It is part of the overall program of the Task Force to
determine ways to maintain the rural character of Southold.
Specifically, keep in mind that, like your Board we are an
appointed agency of the Town Board.
Our jurisdiction and our mandate is under resolution to consider
the code and zoning map and to conform it to the Master Plan and
the precepts of the US/UK report as adopted by the Town. What
we'd like to do is make sure that we work together so that we
aren't working at cross purposes. I understand that the law
requires that any EIS, or in this case an LEAF, consider the
character of a Town, in our case a rural character. That concern
has been designated to be reviewed by the Town Task Force. We've
given it a lot of thought. My understanding is that it's not
been addressed in the LEAF presented for Burger King here. One
of the problems being that this cannot be ignored. We've given
this a lot of thought. Maybe you can disagree with the Task
Force's findings or maybe you have alternatives that you'd like
to present to us or discuss with us, but I think its always been
a problem that we've had that these proposals have not given due
concern. That there has been no hard look given to the matter of
rural character.
And I think that before there is some Negative Declaration here,
that the applicant, with the Planning Board, give very careful
concern and consideration, take a very hard look at whether this
application fits in with the rural character of the Town. And
it's been the finding of the Town's Task Force that it would not
be within the rural character of this Town. We are not targeting
Burger King nor even fast food establishments. We're trying to
aim, as you know, development within the hamlet centers. We have
a particular recommendation as to fast food. We, in addition to
failing to look at the question of rural character, would hope
all applications will now begin to address rural character as
required by law. And the Task Force is trying to give some
guidance on a format to do that.
But, we would ask the Planning Board to consider the entire
Planning process. And we understand under the law that there is
no delay considered in speedily reviewing an application if we
are in the midst of a careful review of the Planning process. We
are far down the line. After one year, we have given this 16
page set of recommendations. They will be, in many cases, filled
out by (inaudible). Some of these have multi-paged details which
go behind each paragraph of the 34 recommendations. What we're
hoping is that in coordination with the Planning Board we can
make sure that your decisions dovetail with ours, and the Town
Board's decisions.
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In consideration, the entire planning process, which is to reform
the code and bring it in line with the Master Plan - and keep in
mind that the applicant's been aware that we've been in this
process for one full year, so it's not like they have not been on
notice that this matter should be addressed. We would hope that
the Task Force and the Planning Board could work together, not
only as to matters such as this application, but the entire
process so that we're not at cross-purposes and that your actions
can dovetail with ours. And we can also make sure that the code
is corrected so that can be no disparity in our actions.
So, once again, we would hope that you would have the opportunity
to join us this Thursday on the 18th and go over the entire
planning process. This is one recommendation, to not have fast
food establishments outside the hamlet centers. I think that
therefore, the failure of applicant to take a look at this
matter, which is required by law, and especially in light of the
recently released findings of the Task Force would mean that
there has to be a second hard look taken at this application.
Thanks for your time. See you Thursday. Any questions?
Mr. Ward:
character?
Just that, in your opinion, what do you say is rural
What do you mean by that?
Mr. palast: Well, we have a beautiful description, I hope you'll
come Thursday. But, Southold is unique. Southold is unique.
I've been allover the country, as many of our Task Force
members, and what you see in every town is a Jiffy Lube, a
MCDonalds, and neon signs, etc. You see them in every town, but
you don't see them in our town. Now, it is not our purpose to
create absolute prohibitions. And, in fact, what we are trying
to do is direct development, as you are. In fact, we share 50\
of the time of Valerie Scopaz is dedicated to your efforts, and
50% to our efforts. So we have a lot in common, including our
great experienced help.
So, when we talk about rural character, we are talking about
maintaining open space, and maintaining growth within small town
hamlets. So by rural character we mean no sprawl. We mean no
businesses, in the ideal world, no businesses spread across like
a broken smile across the North Road and across the Main Road and
just willy nilly pock marks upon the open vistas. And so what
we're trying to do is consolidate businesses into these central
areas. And in particular, certain types of businesses, we have
determined in fact by consensus of all 16 members, we actually
have a statement which we agreed on that fast food
establishments are not within the character of Southold Town,
period. However, what we have determined is that in light of our
total program, that there would be a way if such an application
came forward, to integrate them into a hamlet development plan.
And we're not talking about a big delay here. We're not talking
about holding people up forever. We're talking about a program
that we are completing now working that we, like I say, presented
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as you know to the Town Board already. And we expect it to be
acted on pretty quickly.
So, no sprawl, no businesses willy nilly across the Main Road or
North Road, maintenance of the open vistas and in particular
encouraging businesses which have traditionally have been here,
because there will be harm. We have made a determination which
is our scope, under our authority (inaudible) that there will be
harm if you have businesses which are not within the character of
the Town. And the harm comes from the fact that, not only do we
like it this way, but we live and die by tourism and by
maintaining the beautiful vistas. That's what we have to sell.
We lose that - we lose the small town character, and we are out
of business. So that's where we find harm. 'Cause this is as
much a business proposal for the Town as it is something just to
keep it nice. Any other questions?
Mr. McDonald: You've said that, if I understand it, that they
haven't addressed the specific problem of maintaining rural
character. Is that correct?
Mr. Palast: Yes.
Mr. McDonald: And that's why the environmental form is not
complete? The environmental review is not complete?
Mr. Palast: Well, my understandings that the character of a
locale must be taken into consideration. In specific, what we've
determined through Task Force, is that we have a rural character.
This is not a big leap of research for us, obviously we have a
rural character. Once you make that determination that we have a
certain type of character which is characterized by small towns
within our towns, which we call the hamlets, and open spaces,
which basically would exclude such things as fast food
establishments between hamlets, and would be out of character.
There are certain types of businesses which we do not allow, even
now, to some extent we discourage.
We are trying to tighten up the rules to make sure that rules
which should discourage these things are a little bit clearer.
I'm not sure that these types of establishments are necessarily
allowed under current law. But we want to clarify that code.
And because this was not addressed - 70U know some EIS's and
LEAF's look at questions of like "Are we going to lose an
endangered species?" - well our concern is not maintaining
whether the spotted alligator is safe here. The species that
could be extinct is the Southolder. The small town person. And
that must be addressed. It's not a question - frankly, it's not
a question of whether it would be a good idea to address this
matter, it is required. An as far as I know...I must admit I
haven't seen the latest papers presented today, maybe they do
fully address this matter, so I could be wrong on that, but...
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Mr. McDonald: I'm still confused about what'it is that they're
supposed to address.
Mr. Palast: They're supposed to address rural (change tape).
They are required to address the character of the community. And
in this case, the Task Force has determined that the character is
rural.
Mr. McDonald: What specific things would they do, in your mind,
to address the rural character of the area. What are the
elements that they would do in their review that would allow them
to address this question?
Mr. Palast: Well, we would determine for example,
whether...that's a good question in and of itself, and I'm not
going to claim to be exhaustive on this. In fact, as you know,
the Task Force has its own attorney, Michael Simon, who is
looking at this very issue, and I hope that you would have an
opportunity to speak with him on it. He is researching this very
issue of fast food, etc. And so I hate to preempt him. He's the
lawyer, I'm not, I'm an economist...
Mr. McDonald: Well, traditionally the elements would be things
like appearance of the building, the appearance of the signage,
the nature of the lighting, the location of the building, the
amount of grading on the site, the amount of landscaping and the
placement of the landscaping. What are the elements that you
have in mind that he would address. I shouldn't say he because I
don't even know that - but the applicant would address to answer
this question in your mind.
Mr. Palast: We have Bob Bayley also from the Task Force here,
who is an architect and looking at these matters. We also, have
to look at the traffic, we are looking at issues such as
advertisement of off-brand items through signage that would be
prohibited, we would have to look at such things as whether tnere
would be a lot of traffic in and out, whether this is mainly a
take out establishment or eat in establishment and we do not have
dedicated take out establishments. We do not want them between
the hamlets. The question is whether ...I'm not quite sure,
frankly, that this applicant can immunerate (?) the problems.
Mr. McDonald: Those elements that you just mentioned were all
answers. Would that be sufficient? .
,
Mr. palast: Again, I don't want to say that I would know it's
sufficient. I would want to talk to both the Task Force people
and our attorney. In fact, Bob Bayley probably would have more
to say on this than I do, on specifics of what we would look at.
So it's more than look. One of the things we're trying to do
frankly is to move these businesses, especially with heavy
traffic, especially where they may be dedicated to take out food,
into the hamlet centers and if it's going to be a business
dedicated to take out, or mostly by dollar volume or traffic
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volume by take out, then we may have a serious problem with it.
Can we ameliorate it and keep it at the site? That I don't know.
Has it been addressed through architectural amelioration? I
don't know. Has it been fully addressed I can't tell you right
off hand myself. Also, we want to know if it affects the
businesses in town and whether it would take away business from
the hamlet centers so that we end up with more vacancies and
sprawl by removing businesses from the hamlet centers. So it's
not an exhaustive list. I can't tell you right off hand. Any
other questions.
That's the answer.
there's a long list
its elements and we
We'd like to sit down and go over, like I say
about what is rural character and what are
still have some way to go, but thank you.
Tom Flater: From Mattituck. I was just curious what Mr. Palast
defined as the hamlet center for Mattituck.
Mr. palast: That's a good question. What we are doing is - come
to the meeting on the 18th - we are going to hold a meeting for
every hamlet, for every school district. The people who attend
will be asked to, in fact, draw a line to define their hamlet.
As you know, in the code their are certain definitions, for
example 1/2 mile, a mile from the post office. We have certain
areas that are designated hamlet business zones. So we have
certain definitions on the zoning maps right now, but we are
actually working on that question to...part of the the mandate
given to us by the Town is to try to correct the zoning map so
that we have a very good idea what we mean by hamlet center, so
come the 18th. And I should let everyone know we are going to
have hamlet by hamlet meetings, asking people to actually draw
their lines and say, this is what we consider the center and
we're we'd like to see development, as we understand it.
Mr. Flater: OK, thank you.
Mr. Ward: Is there anyone else that would like to address the
Board as this point?
Linda Levy: I'm the Southold coordinator for the North Fork
Environmental Council. I'm speaking tonight on behalf of the
North Fork Environmental Council and this is, I think, the third
time that we have addressed you on the issue of the Burger Kinq.
As you probably are aware, we believe that there should be a
Positive Declaration on this proposal, because we believe that it
requires an Environmental Impact Statement before a decision can
be made. We have two specific reasons for that, that I wanted to
go over with you tonight.
The first, which may seem minor, but the more you think about it
the less minor it seems, has to do with our new garbage law. Up
until now, for example back when McDonalds came in, we were
worried about how was the establishment itself going to get rid
of it's own garbage. And that has been addressed I understand in
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the documents that have been provided, that Burger King is going
to ship out their garbage and it's going to be out of town. But,
our concern is about the trash that is going to be littered on
the streets and there is a big difference now between now and
when McDonalds' application came in about what the impact might
be on our community in terms of the garbage. And the difference,
of course, is that we now have a fee for garbage. Now, if
somebody goes to the Burger King and picks up their hamburger and
their french fries, and takes it into their car to drive and eat
on their way to the ferry, for example, they can't just stop at a
garbage can and throw the stuff away. They have to somehow locate
a yellow plastic bag with the Town logo, shortly, to make sure
that it's disposed of properly. I thin that one of the concerns
that we've all had about the new garbage law has been illegal
dumping in the town, and I think that the fact that we have this
law is going to increase trash and garbage on our streets in all
cases, and in particular in something like a fast food
restaurant. Just because they don't have a drive through window
doesn't mean that people are going to be eating in the
establishment. For example, in New York City, in Manhattan,
there are no drive through windows at any of the fast food
restaurants, but people don't sit and eat in the restaurant, you
find trash allover the street. And they don't have to pay for
their garbage to be removed. So we feel that in light of the
change in our Town Code regarding how we dispose of our garbage,
this is an issue that should have been addressed in looking at
this application.
More importantly is the question as to whether or not the public
has had an opportunity to really address this. The controversy
that's generated by the building of a Burger King in Mattituck _
and I think the number of people here tonight is witness to the
fact that there is a controversy - is not unexpected and I don't
think that it's unexpected to you and I don't think it's
unexpected to the developer. Only two years ago, the public
outcry against the McDonalds was so great that our own Town
Supervisor, on record, in the newspaper, stated that he was going
to do whatever he could to re-write the Town Code to prevent fast
food restaurants from being in the Town of Southold. Now, as you
just heard the US/UK Stewardship Task Force, which is an official
committee of the Southold Town Board, has recommended that the
code be changed so that these types of businesses would only be
permitted in the hamlet business zone. And as you know, is
currently zoned general business in the location that this would
go up. c
This concept that we want this, both businesses and high density
residential units, to be in the hamlet centers has been endorsed
by all of our elected officials, as well as, I believe, you
yourselves, the Planning Board. The proposed development of the
Burger King flies in the face of this planning concept and of
this recommendation. The impact of this unplanned use on our
community character has to be assessed under SEQRA law. In
determining the significance of unlisted actions, the SEQRA law
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states a whole list of criteria of what has to be looked at and
one of them is the impairment of the character or quality of
existing community or neighborhood character. Now Mark asked
before, how would you measure this, what would they check other
than does it look nice or is it a garish sign or a pretty sign
or...I think that unfortunately, and one of the reasons that we
need an Environmental Impact Statement so that we can thoroughly
look at this question, is that it isn't something that can be
measured just by whether or not it goes along with the
architectural design of the rest of the town. It's something
that's somewhat intangible but I think that we all have a sense
of what we mean when we say that Southold has a certain character
and that a fast food restaurant may not necessarily conform with
that character. We would like to see this addressed, and thus
far the issue specifically about the community character has not
been addressed. We feel, at the NFEC, that by issuing a Negative
Declaration what you're telling us because there is not even one
single comment in either the Environmental Assessment Form or in
your own consultant's report about the impact on this community
character, ,we feel that what you're telling us is that there
isn't any impact. But in fact, we don't have any fast food
restaurants in Southold right now, so to say that having the
first fast food restaurant in the history of this town, 353
years, that that will have no impact on our character seems to me
to be a rather ingenuous statement. I don't think that you
believe that and I would like to see it addressed. I believe
that there has not been a hard look taken at the issue of the
impact on our community character. In light of that, we believe
that if you were to issue a Negative Declaration at this time, it
would be in violation of SEQRA. We have to take a hard look at
these issues, there will be trash on the streets, and our
community character will be affected. Only the Environmental
Impact Statement can adequately assess to what extent this will
be affected. We can't answer tonight what those issues are,
that's the whole purpose of the Environmental Impact Statement.
SEQRA requires that any agency that declares itself lead agency
make every reasonable effort to involve applicants, other
agencies and the public in the SEQRA process. In this case, we
believe that that mandate can only be carried out by issuing a
Positive Declaration. Thanks.
Mr. Ward: Would anybody else like to address the Board?
before the applicant.
Anybody
..
Linda Fletcher: I'm here tonight~also on behalf of the North
Fork Environmental Council. It appears that the core issue here
is the community character of the Town of Southold and I would
like to expand a little bit on what Linda said as regards that.
First of all this issue of the community character is of
paramount importance to me and to hundreds of other residents in
this community. And it directly relates to the Burger King
application which is before you. I'm going to try to refer to,
as much as I can, to issues and to facts and things that are
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stated within the SEQRA law and other documents that you have at
your hand, that you're able to get a hold of.
A stated purpose of SEQRA is to involve the public in the SEQRA
process. And Linda just said this, that agencies are charged to
initiate communication early on in the process to identify areas
of controversy relating to environmental issues requiring indepth
analysis in an EIS. If you issued a Negative Declaration for
this application that would effectively subvert this process by
removing the opportunity for public concern and identification of
relative issues and public scrutiny. Secondly, the determination
of significance of an unlisted action is made by application of
stated criteria in State regulations. Several of those criteria
are relevant to this application. Now, on August 5th I presented
to your Board a memo that stated the criteria taken out of NYCR
Part 617 that I know you are familiar with, and I took out about
4 or 5 of the criteria that I felt were relevant to this
application. I would only like to talk about the impairment of
the character of the existing community, at this time. But there
are others, and I provided you Board with a copy of this and
there were pictures that went with it and I hope that it was sent
to Cramer and Voorhis. I don't know. Anyway, that business
about the community character, which is in part of that list,
that criteria, is certainly relevant here because there exists no
major chain fast food restaurant in this town. And, if the
presence of this type of business appears, we all know that it
would alter the face of this community forever. And yet nowhere
in the Cramer and Voorhis report and review of this application
is this factor mentioned. And this is a factor which is part and
parcel of the SEQRA review, but it's never mentioned there. So I
'thin~ this is inadequate. I don't think this report is
comprehensive enough.
Also, I'd like to remind you, and it's also in my report, that
the failure of the lead agency to consider whether the character
of a community would be altered by a proposed action, was held to
be arbitrary and propitious by the New York State Board of
Appeals. So, that is an important consideration for your Board
to look at. Finally, I would like to direct your attention to
the LEAF for this project - Part 2 and question number 19 which
is found on the last page of the LEAF. I would like for you to
note that your chosen consultants, Cramer and Voorhis, have
answered yes to the question of the actual existence or
likelihood of public controversy related to potential adverse
environmental impacts of this application. They said yes, there
is public controversy. But once again, it was never addressed in
their review. They don't say anything about it. They say
there's controversy and they just let it go. This Board is
required by law to take a hard look before issuing a
determination. The North Fork Environmental Council calls for
your Board to do exactly this. You can do no less and no more,
than what the law requires. To do otherwise would constitute a
failure to comply with the intent of the State Environmental
Quality Review Act. And in the interest of good government and
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prudent planning, we trust this Board to do the right thing.
Thank you very much.
Ronnie Wacker: I'm from Cutchogue and I'm a member of the North
Fork Planning Conference. I have a distinct feeling of deja vue
here tonight. It was only two years ago that we were up here
talking to you about McDonalds and we were promised at that time
that the Town would see to it that there would be some limits
placed on fast food operations and nothing was done of course.
Well now we have a new administration, brand new that's coming in
January and we all have been busy in the last couple of weeks
filling our the Task Force questionnaire to see what people in
Southold Town really want the future of Southold Town to be. I
propose that we wait until the questionnaire's have been
tabulated and the new administration has had a chance to assess
them and to act on them. Let's not be hasty, by any means at
all. I hope that whatever action you take, you will wait until
after we have our new group in place and in any event I do think
that we have to have a Positive Declaration, whether its done now
or later or whenever, because there are a number of questions
that have not been answered to date. So I hope that you will
postpone action. Thank you.
Mr. Ward: Anyone else like to address the Board?
Jean Mariner: I live in Mattituck and Mattituck is the gateway
to the Southold Town and as such it should be kept in such a
manner that our major economy - tourists and the second
homeowners - have the ambiance that they want and that's why
they're coming here. And by allowing this strip zoning to have
continued in Mattituck, you are destroying the gateway to
Southold Town, destroying the character of the town and there is
nothing wrong with taking some time out. The Town's of Oyster
Bay (inaudible) there's legal precedent for just taking time out.
You'll be upheld in court. You can just put this in abeyance for
a short while until the people of the town have spoken through
the planning process with the US/UK recommendations and I urge
you to think on that and please don't destroy the character of
Mattituck anymore. It's already been fairly well destroyed.
Maybe we can turn it around and think that this is the gateway to
the Town of Southold - one of the last great places in the
western hemisphere - and perhaps we could all work towards
keeping it that way. Thank you.
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Linda Miselborski: I'm seventeenfyears old. I'm in favor of
Burger King. I don't eat meat and chances are you won't find me
in that place. But I feel that it would be great because it will
produce jobs for us kids maybe, and maybe get off the streets
where you go and eat. It will be good economically. As far as
the problem with the trash, I called Burger King in Riverhead and
I called McDonalds in Riverhead and they say they have garbage
around their place of business but they take care of it. They
have people who go out there and take care of the trash. I
called Riverhead Town about their trash problem and they said
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it's not as bad because they have people who go around taking the
trash. They have kids, older families go around communities and
take the trash, pick it up, dispose of it and he said - Joe
Janoski, I talked to - he said it was basically kids were willing
to pick up after the trash and get rid of it. (CHANGE TAPE) I'm
sure we could have people help pick up the trash. People are
concerned about the environment now, I mean there are some people
who litter, but I'm sure a lot of people have stopped littering.
I know people who littered and they don't litter anymore becaqse
of the environment. I just think it would be a good idea to have
a Burger King. Thank you.
Mr. Ward: Is there anybody who has not addressed the Board yet
who would like to talk?
Bruce Isaacs: I have one very specific concern about this
application. Maybe it's been addressed, I don't know, but
somewhere along the North Road there is going to be a sign, or
two signs, one from the east and one from the west, directing
people to turn south to the Main Road to come and get their
Whopper, or whatever. The poor unfortunate lane or street where
this sign is directed is going to change dramatically,
particularly in the summer and particularly at times when the
ferry comes in. Living on Alvahs Lane, I certainly do not want
that direction to come down Alvahs Lane, because I don't want my
street to be turned into a thoroughfare. I was wondering has
anybody looked into this aspect of the application?
Mr. Cuddy:
I'll address that.
Mark McDonald: Do you want to wait until the very end and do all
of it?
Mr. Ward: Yes. Is there anybody else that would like to address
the Board before the applicant addresses the Board? OK, Mr.
Cuddy, I guess we're ready.
Mr. Cuddy: I first want to thank the young lady who got up and
spoke. I go to a lot of meetings and I'm the sole speaker. I
want to address the gentleman that just spoke. You indicated
some fear and apprehension, I guess, about signs being posted.
The owner has indicated to me, and I state here on the record,
before all of you, and into the tape, that there will be no signs
posted on the North Road, there will be no advertising signs for
Burger King. If you want to knowc- you asked - that's the
answer. No.
I would like to go through a little bit factually, before I get
to the law. Factually, I think there are some errors that are
being made and I think that maybe some people in the audience
have been misled. First, let's take a look at what we're talking
about as far as that particular area. To the west of this
location is a gasoline service station. Across the road is the
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Suffolk Times and right next to the Suffolk Times is a used car
lot.
Audience:
Illegal used car lot.
Mr. Cuddy: It hasn't been illegal yet. It's been there for a
year. Right next door is an insurance agency; right after that
is GNS. Across the road from that is the North Fork Bank. This
is hardly a non-commercial area. And I think factually, we
should recognize what it is. But I think more importantly, let's
take a look a little bit at the law. Unfortunately, we don't
really address the right Board; and I've said this before and Mr.
McDonald has commented on it before. What you're asking tonight
is this Board to take the speculation from the Stewardship Task
Force and convert it into zoning. That can't be done. It can't
be done here, and it's not done. It may be done someday. I
don't know if it will ever be done, and neither do you, quite
frankly. But what we're looking at is zoning that's business
zoning. We're looking at a business zone that permits this type
of use. We're looking at a three acre lot and I think three
acres is a good size business lot. We're looking at a piece of
property that's going to have a building 140 feet back from the
road and there's no fast food restaurant that's 140 feet back
from the road. You can look anyplace you want, it just isn't
done. But here it is going to be done.
There's going to be 3,000 square feet, which is relatively small.
It's smaller, in fact, than McDonalds. But this applicant has
been before this Town for close to two years. The applicant is a
real estate partnership, and that real estate partnership has
owned this land for years and years and years. And the only
difference is that there's now a Burger King instead of a
McDonalds. Burger King is before the Board the same way
McDonalds was before the Board. McDonalds received from you a
Negative Declaration and there's no reason that this application
shouldn't. To talk about the impairment of the character of the
community is quite surprising to me, because we have done
everything that we can to make this a decent building and a
decent operation in this particular location.
I've been through the facts before, and this is an area that's
appropriate to have it. The Town has zoned this property this
way. You can't undo zoning. And wh~~ you're here tonight asking
them to do is NOT consider the zoning. The zoning is there and I
think these people, after two yeafs, are entitled to have a
Negative Declaration. They have addressed every concern that the
consultant has brought before you. They have addressed every
concern that this Board has asked for to be addressed. And I
would ask you to approve the Negative Declaration. I think they
are entitled to it and I think the time is correct. I think this
is the time to do it. I'd be pleased to answer any questions
that you have.
Mr. Ward: Does the Board have any questions for the applicant?
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Are there any other questions or concerns from the audience at
this point?
Debbie Sidlaukis: I live in Mattituck. I would just like to
comment on Mr. Cuddy's remarks about the other businesses that
are in the area. You do need a gas station. These are all
necessary things. You need a gas station. You need a bank. The
newspaper is a local business and has been for years. The only
thing we don't use is that stupid used car lot. We don't need
and we don't want fast food franchises on our Main Roads. I
think this was made quite evident back when McDonalds was trying
to get in. Unfortunately, we had a Board that obviously didn't
care about what the majority of the citizens of this Town want.
I hope you will give this more consideration because it will
change the character. It will change the character of our Town.
I'm not saying that the Main Road in Mattituck is heaven on
earth, there certainly could be a lot done. But what is there
are necessary for everyday daily living and I don't think a fast
food franchise fits into the same category.
Mr. Ward: I don't want to limit conversation, but if they're
issues that have been addressed by either side at this point, I'd
like to limit it at this point to anything new to be brought up
to the Board for consideration.
Linda Fletcher: I'd just like to ask one question of Mr. Cuddy
when he mentions that the owner is ready to certify that there
will be no signage. Who is the owner?
Mr. Cuddy: Cofam Realty is the applicant.
Mr. Ward: I'm going to have trouble with this conversation on
the tape. If we're going to have a back and forth, I'd rather
have it addressed to the Board, and Mr. Cuddy if you would stand
at the microphone, if you're going to have to answer a couple of
questions, let's make sure it's on the tape.
Linda Fletcher:
Realty will own
property?
So therefore, is it to be understood that Cofam
the Burger King, or do they just own the
Mr. Cuddy: Cofam Realty owns the property it will have also an
interest in the Burger King. I represent the applicant. The
applicant is Cofam Realty. It is g01ng to have a Burger King
franchise. I have said before when we talked about the signs,
that there will not be signs. I spoke for Burger King and I
spoke for Cofam. I speak for them now. For both. So there
should be no mistake.
Linda Fletcher: I didn't understand who the owner was. I think
that's important to clarify that.
Mr. Cuddy: Well that's who the owner is. The owner has been the
same person since...
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Linda Fletcher: I know that, but Burger Kings are often
franchised out to other people who maybe it is their contract on
this property to sell it to a contract vendee.
Mr. Cuddy: No.
I didn't say there was.
Linda Fletcher: No, I know you didn't say there was.
asking if there was.
I was
Mr. Cuddy: May I add just one line, if I could just have a
minute. There was concern about fast foods in this town, and I
find that an odd concern when we have 7-11's and delis but more
importantly, I didn't go far enough west. Perhaps Subway isn't
well enough known, but Subway is sitting in Mattituck, in the
shopping center, and it's a fast food chain.
Mr. McDonald: Mr. Cuddy, I want to make sure I understood.
There is going to be no off site signage.
Mr. Cuddy: That's right.
Linda Fletcher: I have just one more point that I wanted to
make. In the report that I gave you, I would like to emphasize
that although Mr. Cuddy was emphasizing one side of the
application, the North Fork Environmental Council here is asking
for a harder look for a Positive Declaration to take a closer
look at this application. We are not asking for a ban on fast
food restaurants. I would like to make that very very clear. We
want more scrutiny. And to that end, another part of the
regulations says that the lead agency must consider reasonably
related long term, short term and cumulative effects. I think
this is something that hasn't come up tonight, but it's in the
law again. Cumulative effects of this action are devastating.
We know what it means and it was to that point that I included
pictures in my report which I don't have to include. You can all
take a drive to Riverhead for cumulative effects on Rt. 58. We
all know what they are, and the lead agencies are charged with
looking at that in making their determination. So I think we need
a harder look. Thank you.
Jim Small:
putting up
offensive,
Friendlys,
follow.
From Cutchogue. Even if you were to succeed in
a nice cozy little Burger King, something not
within five years I know we would have Wendys,
Pizza Hut, McDonalds. It's obvious this trend would
,
,
Bruce Isaacs: I'm not a lawyer. He said that they won't put up
a sign but how is that enforced? What if they change their mind
six months down the road. What guarantee is there that this would
last in perpetuity, as they say?
Mr. McDonald: He's on the record. It's part of the SEQRA
process. If he violates it, he's in violation of the site plan
ordinance.
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Bruce Isaacs: And what's the penalty?
Mr. McDonald: That's a good question. The Building Inspector
would...
Bruce Isaacs: Yeah, but that doesn't help Alvahs Lane for
instance as far as the sign. Our street is ruined at that point,
or whatever the lane happens to be.
Mr. Cuddy: Just for the record, if I may Mr. Chairman. This
type of operation requires three acre lots because of the Health
Department concerns. You have to also be in the right zone. I
believe in this Town looking at the zoning. There probably are
less than three other places that could contain any possible fast
food operation at any time, and they're not all together. So
when somebody says that there are going to be a myriad of fast
food places here, it's just not zoned that way. It couldn't
happen.
Tom Flater: I'll be quick. A little bit of repetition. All I'm
asking is, after listening, particularly to the North Fork
Environmental Council, there are obviously some concerns about
properly addressing some of the SEQRA requirements and
guidelines. We just want to make sure we take some time here.
There's obviously some controversy. We either maybe want to see
a postponement of your declaration; a better case would be a
Positive Declaration. Let the town speak for what they want.
And in addition, Mr. Cuddy had mentioned, that for McDonalds
there was a Negative Declaration, is that correct?
Mr. Ward: Yes.
Tom Flater: Just because two years ago McDonalds got negative, I
don't think that's got any impact whatsoever on this. Things
change over time. So I really think that's got very little to do
with it. Thank you.
Mr. Cuddy: In light of the postponement, it is simply to give in
to a group from the North FOrk Environmental Council. To delay
is precisely what people wish when they want to obstruct. This
isn't a question of entitlement in zoning. We have the right
zone. This isn't a question of coming before you in the last few
weeks. This application by itself has been pending for month
after month after month. The same application essentially
occurred before. This is an application that has gone before the
Zoning Board of Appeals. It was approved before the Zoning Board
of Appeals. This is an application that has had an infinite
number of hearings. And whether this hearing is correct tonight,
and I have some doubt that there is this type of hearing, but
we've had it and everybody has been democratically allowed to
talk, which is fine. But it's wrong for any applicant, whether
it's Burger King or anybody else in this town, to be delayed
inordinately because some people feel that this shouldn't exist.
That's all that's really being said. We don't like this
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application. But the zoning is for this application and it's
been for this application for years, and it's wrong to do
anything but to have it approved tonight.
Barbara Volper: I live in Mattituck. I am involved with no
organization. I am not a member of the North Fork Environmental
Council. I am here as a tax payer; as a person who cares about
the town. I had no idea of getting up and talking. I have to
address Mr. Cuddy and a few members. First of all, the seventeen
year old girl who is here, I give her a lot of credit for getting
up and speaking her mind. Especially knowing that she was
amongst a lot of opposition. As far as Burger King getting kids
off the street, if they got the kids off the street, if they got
the kids off the street there wouldn't be help wanted signs in
every single fast food store that you pass, especially in
Riverhead. As far as being a kids hangout, I don't think anybody
wants that. The businesses that are surrounding the Burger King
property, none of them promote excess traffic with the exception
of possibly the gas station. Burger King will definitely promote
traffic. You are not going to be able to get kids to work there.
They don't want to work for minimum wage. I have three children,
the youngest is 15, she does not work for minimum wage. I really
don't think too many kids will today. The impairment of the
character of this town is...you've got to keep the character of
the the town the way it is. That's why people come here. I
worked in one of the larger vineyards, approximately 3 years ago,
and I worked there for four years. And all the people who came
to that vineyard, not once did they say to me, "Gee Barb, where's
there a fast food restaurant?" They asked me where there was a
cozy quaint little restaurant. They come here because they want
cozy and quaint. You put in Burger King, you're going to have
McDonalds, you're going to have everything else. There goes
cozy, there goes quaint. There's nothing left, we can all go to
East Marion. Thank you.
Carrie Zenkowski: I'm seventeen years old and I live in East
Marion. There is absolutely nothing there. There's nothing from
Orient to Southold. I may seem lucky, but when I go and hang out
with my friends, I don't like to see them drinking, sitting along
the side of the road near a beach somewhere, passed out. I'd
rather see them at a Burger King or a McDonalds. It may seem
ridiculous, but when you proceed to sit here and say our rural
construction of our town and this and that, no matter where you
go there is going to be something rural about it. There is
absolutely nothing in Orient. I worked at Terry's Farm Stand,
that's, at the minimum, blast of the Island. There's nothing
there. People come by and say what's to Orient Town? There's
nothing to Orient Town but a little deli, a little antique store,
a church. There's nothing there. When people want to come to
our town and say oh Orient is such a great place, it's because
it's just houses and a little community. There's nothing there
for kids. Kids from Orient have to travel all the way to
Mattituck to visit their friends. If there's someplace between
Orient and Mattituck, sure kids are going to find a place to stay
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and hang out anywhere. But it's kind of ridiculous to be sitting
here arguing about fast food restaurants, when you're subdividing
land and property that isn't even being developed. There's
property across from Porky's Restaurant in Greenport that's been
sitting there for I don't know many years, and it's supposed to
be a mini mall, but you don't see that being built. I don't see
any small businesses being put in there. There's places across
from North Fork Deli and Bagels Plus and Davals. Those
businesses went out, they're all closed up. There's a billiards
place, kids used to go down and play pool, now there's nothing at
all. I go and I hang out in Riverhead, now there's a Taco Bell
opening up. You'll see the majority of Greenport, Southold and
Mattituck students going there to hang out with friends that they
meet from other places because there is other stuff to do on the
south fork and up the Island.
Mr. Ward: I would like to just take a minute, for those that are
present, for Bob Kassner, the Site Plan Reviewer, just to go
through the...there are a number of issues that did arise and the
applicant did address, and I thought at least for the record
tonight that, Bob if you would, just run through those particular
issues that were addressed by the environmental review and the
Planning Board and others in terms of what has been done by the
applicant.
Mr. Kassner: As you all know, we did a coordinated review on
this. So all the involved agents had input and we sent it to our
environmental consultants for their recommendations. The
environmental consultants came back to us after due consideration
of all the inputs, including a cumulative traffic study, and
stated that a Negative Declaration was in order, with the
following provisions and extra data. And what they asked for was
sign details. As we all know, the standard Burger King sign is a
very large, plastic, internally lit sign. The proposed sign that
Burger King intends to present is a wood carved sign with flood
lighting. Not the standard plastic Burger King sign.
We had some concerns, and they had some concerns about garbage
disposal. We have a letter from the applicant stating that all
garbage will be trucked out of the site, not going to the
transfer station at the landfill.
We had some architectural concerns about the building. It has
four doghouses; it's very colonial. Recently, we asked for
double hung windows to give it a more colonial, more
architecturaly significant compatible facade, and that was
incorporated into the plan.
We had some concerns about the slope. As you all know, if you've
gone by this, there's a very steep slope in the front. And we
were concerned about some of the erosion into the Main Rd., that
is State Rt. 25. The applicant has provided ground cover and has
reduced the slope and other types of mitigation measures to
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reduce this, and during construction will put hay bales and other
types of things to prevent the erosion into the Main Rd.
Our environmental consultants had some concerns about the number
of trips in the traffic study. And incidentally, it was brought
out before, we did a cumulative traffic impact study. We not
only included Burger King, but we included Dunkin Donuts and we
included North Fork Bank in this cumulative traffic study, to see
what the total impact would be on Rt. 25, and that was
considered. The major thing was that the 86 seats in this
restaurant, there was some controversy whether that was used in
the traffic study, and it was.
We had some concerns about lighting. All lighting is going to be
colonial lantern type lighting on 12 foot stanchions and the
signs will be lit by floodlights, not internal lighting. So
these were some of the concerns that the environmental
consultants presented to us and I presented to the applicant and
received, what I think, was satisfactory input.
Mr. Ward: Bob mentioned a little bit about the architecture and
the architect is here,I don't know Mr. Cuddy if you want him to
address any of these issues while he's here.
Donald Denis: My office is in Aquebogue. I don't know if you're
familiar with my office, but it's in character with the community
of Aquebogue. And I'm also conscious of what the people in the
community are talking about. We've done everything possible
within the confines of the site to make the building appropriate
for the area. It's a very small building, I think some of you
people may live in a house that's bigger than the building. It's
3,000 square feet. It's not a large structure, it's one story.
It has a pitched roof, it has the doghouses in the front, which
are colonial. It has double hung windows which was insisted upon
by the Board here, with transoms, they're all divided into
millions. There is no drive-in facility. It's a three acre site
and a 3,000 square foot building.
I think what you're comparing in character is places like Syosset
and Huntington which are building fast food places on 100 foot
wide lots. This lot is three acres. This is a large piece of
property and it's set back, as Mr. Cuddy said, 140 feet from the
road. I don't think that you can find a fast food restaurant
anywhere that's set back this distance from the highway. I know
there's none on Long Island that! know of. It's set back an
almost inordinate distance from the road. It's set back to a
point where I think it puts the applicant at a disadvantage of
trying to have a commercial installation there that will be
noticed by the people going by. (CHANGE TAPE). The signage has
been reduced to the minimum size. It is not, as Mr. Cuddy said,
the typical plastic Burger King fast food sign. It's an
attractive wood carved sign which will be lit from the ground by
floodlights, not be neon.
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So, I think we've done architecturally, everything that's
possible. I think to categorize the restaurant as fast food, and
say that that necessarily makes it bad is not fair to the
applicant. I think we all have occasions when we want to stop to
have something to eat and we stop in a place and we don't spend
much time. I think the fast food is in the preparation, not in
the time of eating. If you want to go into Burger King and sit
there and have your dinner or have your lunch, and spend a half
hour, I don't think it's any different than going into any other
restaurant in the community. You can also point out the fact
that delis, none of their food that I know of is eaten on the
premises, it's all taken off the premises. So I don't really see
how this is going to change the character of your community. I'd
be glad to try to answer any questions that you may have that
address itself to the architecture, but we have made a concerted
effort to try to mitigate the restaurant. It really is just a
restaurant and to call if fast food I think is very unfair. Are
there any questions?
Ann Lowry: I'm speaking for both the North Fork Environmental
Council and the Task Force. I'd like to speak to what Mr. Cuddy
said about you people or a few people, because I think the number
of people involved in this are far greater than even the quite
full house that we have here tonight. There were enough people
so that we were promised, two years ago, that this issue would be
addressed by code changes. That was because there was a
recognition that a large number, a significant number of people
in the town did not want this kind of establishment here. We
come here with our frustration, unfortunately we bring it to you,
though you are not the ones that broke the promise. But we are
here with that frustration, nonetheless. I think it is a
question of what the town really wants. And to that point, the
Task Force survey did address that in one of its questions and we
will be tabulating that in another six weeks, I suppose. And I
should think that you would want to have as much in your hands
about what the people want, as you could have. Thank you.
Mike Commando: I just have a question to proceed my statements.
I want to ask you how long do you think it would take after you
approve the Burger King, before you would start getting petitions
from all these other fast food restaurants and what leg would you
have to stand on at that point, after the precedent has been set,
to deny them? Mr. Cuddy already used his illustration which was
that there is a Subway. So, because there is a Subway here
already, you must allow us in here. And then you allow them in
there and McDonalds will come and say well you have a Burger King
and you have a Subway how can you deny us? This has already been
said, I understand. I'm a local business person. I represent no
organized group. I'm not affiliated with any group. Corporate
American is appealing to your sense of fairness, while small town
America appeals to your common sense. It doesn't take long for
entrepreneurs to seize hold of an opportunity. This is an
opportunity for a business, without a doubt. What your dealing
with is an intangible asset - the Burger King logo. What the
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North Fork is dealing with is another intangible asset and that's
the serenity and the pristine nature of the environment. It's a
trade off that I'm not willing to make, and I hope you're not
either.
Mr. Ward: Is there anybody that hasn't addressed the Board that
would like to address the Board? If not, is there anyone else
that, before we make any of our decisions, would like to address
the Board?
Ronnie Wacker: From Cutchogue. I have just one question, and
maybe it's been addressed, but I'm not aware of it. Mr. Cuddy
spoke about the Subway in Mattituck, in the mall there. That
seems to me to be an appropriate place for a fast food
restaurant, and I wonder why Burger King has not decided to
locate in such a situation or in another mall area in Cutchogue,
or wherever. Because I think people would be more accepting of
it, if it is within the hamlet district.
Mr. Cuddy: Can I answer that? Again, I think the problem is,
and I first of all want to say that the reason that I referred to
Subway is because it was so emphatically said that there was no
fast food restaurant. But, more importantly, to answer your
question, Burger King has had, through the owner, an opportunity
through zoning, to go into this locale. When property is zoned,
you can use if for a purpose. What you're saying is, don't use
it the way it is zoned; let's speculate on what might happen in
two months, or four months, or sometime when the Stewardship Task
Force gets through with what it's doing, then perhaps we'll have
a change, and perhaps we won't have a change. But let's just put
it off and let's not recognize zoning. Zoning is the right that
everyone of us has in this room to use property in a certain way.
The applicant has that right, now, to use the property. And I am
surprised at all the adults here, not the youngsters, but the
adults, who keep saying don't think about zoning. Zoning is what
the law is. I have to abide by it. You have to abide by it.
All of us have to abide by it. The property is legally zoned
this way. The reason they want to use the property is because
this is the place that they believe is appropriate for their
particular type of operation. They haven't found any other
place. They've been doing this, through the owner, for close to
two years. They have a right to do it. There's nothing we
should apologize for. There's nothing I should apologize for.
This is what zoning allows us to do. 'This is what local
government allows us to do. Someday you may change that. But
when it's not changed, I would ask all of you to at least
recognize it for what it is, and that is the right to use your
own property. That should never be taken away.
Unidentified person: That doesn't answer the question.
Mr. Cuddy: Now, if you'don't think I've answered the question,
tell me how you would like me to answer the question.
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Unidentified person:
Burger King go into a
place?
The question simply sir is why doesn't
shopping mall like the other fast food
Mr. Cuddy: Because it thinks this is an appropriate place and
that's what I just said, for it's operation, as opposed to that
type of locale. It believes it will economically do better in
that particular locale. It believes it can build a building that
will be attractive and will be useful to it. That's why it's
there. And it's allowed to do that. Believe it or not, it's
allowed.
Ronnie Wacker: Well, in one of the malls around, I think you
would have more traffic than what you would have on the Main Rd.
because you would have people who would be going in the mall for
other purposes and they decide, oh I'll stop and get a bite. So,
what my question was, was had Burger King thought about moving
into the mall because there's certainly enough empty stores in
the mall.
Mr. Cuddy: There's one other big problem with restaurants going
into any mall and that is that the Health Department requirements
are onerous. That's the reason that we have three acres of land.
Three acres of land is used to put in all the facilities that we
need to satisfy the Health Department. We can't do that if we go
to the shopping mall.
Ronnie Wacker: Well how would Subway be able to handle that?
They must have the same problems.
Mr. Cuddy: We may be able to get one...no, not necessarily,
because first of all their size is much smaller, number one, and
number two, you can, in some places get in with a smaller number
of pools and other things. You couldn't do that if you put two or
three of them in Mattituck shopping center. That just couldn't
happen, if that's what your idea is. It'll never happen.
Ronnie Wacker: Well, alright, that answer seems reasonable. But
it seems to me that if this were to be approved, or if it were to
receive a Negative Declaration, that the applicant would be
taking advantage of the problems in zoning that we have had in
this town in the last four or six years, I guess. We are aware
now, we did something about it a couple of years ago. We brought
in some people from England and parts of the United States to
look over our situation to tell us what was wrong. And we found
out and the Town at that time, the administration, agreed that we
should follow these recommendations. Of course, in the interim
now nothing has been done. And we were all very hopeful at the
time. But here we are at the point where some people who have
been studying these problems and who are quite reasonable and
knowledgeable, have said that they are very concerned about the
US/UK recommendations, we have a task to do something that will
be constructive to the town. And I hate to see a recommendation
that would be brought down now, when we have, just in two months,
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a whole new administration that may change our future. So I hope
you'll keep that in mind. Thanks.
Linda Levy: I just wanted to reiterate for one minute, that the
point is not that we're saying that the zoning right now does not
allow fast food and that we don't want a fast food. The reason
that everyone is here and is so concerned, and the reason that
the Task Force has made this recommendation is because it is not
in keeping with the character of the town to have this fast food
restaurant in this particular location, and that is why we are
saying that the only way for an adequate understanding of what
the implications of this fast food restaurant might be would be
to give a Positive Declaration to this project, so that a full
environmental impact statement that will take into account all of
these issues, will be developed. I cannot refute the fact that
it is zoned for fast food right now. Maybe it won't be zoned
that way in the future, but even if it is, regardless of whether
they change the zoning or not, I would still believe that we
would need to have a Positive Declaration and a full
environmental impact statement before approving this type of
establishment in Southold.
Mr. Ward: Is there anyone else tonight? Anybody that hasn't
spoken, we really don't want to go back and forth over the same
issues.
Linda Fletcher: I would like to ask you all a question. It's
been my experience that as you drive through these alleys, that
Burger King has a really nice thing that they offer to families
that is often set up in the front of the restaurant. I think
it's called a playground and they put all these toys out there so
the kids can play in it. Now, they keep going on and on about
how far back from the road this particular restaurant is being
set; in fact the architect has mentioned that its almost a
detriment how far back from the road it's being set. I'm
wondering, what do they have planned next year for that big space
on the road, and can there be any conditions, like they've been
so willing to sign things like they're not going to keep any
garbage in this town, that they're not going to put signs up on
the streets of this town. How about no playground? I wonder
about that. I can site you court cases in other states where
they have gone in and demanded these things. Once they get there
they say, yeah, we'll do what you want, we're real happy to do
what you want, and a year later they're back in; they want the
drive through, they want this, they want that. And you talk
about law suits, that's when they start to get nasty. It's on
the record, it's documented and I'd just like to know can you say
something...I mean if you're accepting things about the garbage
and signage, what about the playground?
Mr. Ward: Well, if there was a playground, it would have to show
on a site plan.
Linda Fletcher: Right now?
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Mr. Ward: It hasn't shown. I can't say whether they're going to
amend an application ten years from now or five years from now,
and decide to do something else, which any applicant can do.
But, it's subject to this Board's approval.
Linda Fletcher: But then how can you...if you can demand no
signage or get from them right now, no signage on other pieces of
property, why can't you ask the same thing about the playground
right now and the drive through, I mean I know the drive through
is.. .
Mr. Ward: Well, basically right now, the drive through is a moot
issue because the Zoning Board has given them a special exception
for this restaurant, less a drive through.
Linda Fletcher: Right. I'm just asking, could you do that? Are
you empowered to ask for that kind of a condition - no playground
- or not?
Mr. Ward: It can be if they offer to give us a condition of that
sort it could be part of site plan approval.
Linda Fletcher: It seems to me that when you talk about
community character, that would really do it.
Mr. Ward: Anyone else?
Bruce Isaacs: I assume that because of the promise of no signs,
that you do not investigate, the worse case situation is that
they would violate the promise, and what would be the effect on
the north/south streets. Am I correct that you did not
investigate that?
Mr. Ward: That's correct.
Mark McDonald: We do not investigate the possibility of every
violation on any application. I can't promise you he won't turn
his site into an airport, illegally. We can't examine the
possibility of him violating things that are illegal in the town,
because there are so many, that we could never do it. Do you
know what I'm saying?
Bruce Isaacs: But isn't it easy for an applicant to come here
and agree to everything, knowing ful~well that the penalty is so
slight that if go against their promise later on, why not promise
anything at this point. I mean big deal, what are you going to
do slap their hand later? But yet, as I keep saying, it will
ruin a side street if they direct the traffic down one of these
north/south streets. I'm concerned, because I live on that
street and I don't want to turn it into a through street. I
think you can probably understand my concern, if you lived on one
of those streets.
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Maryann Huntington: I live in Cutchogue. I'd like to know from
the Burger King representative whether a giant inflatable
hamburger is considered signage?
Mr. Ward: No.
Maryann Huntington: That means they can have a giant
inflatable...
Mr. Ward: No, that is not considered signage.
Mark McDonald: Under the current code, they can't even have a
flag that says Burger King on it.
Mr. Cuddy: All things you're talking about that we'd do, under
the Town code, we'd have to come back to you. I can't speculate
on everything that's going to happen in three or four years.
I've told you what I know. I don't expect they're going to do
any of these things. If it happens, they're going to have to be
back here asking for permission to do it. But we don't intend to
do those things.
Mr. Ward: Anyone else like to address the Board this evening?
If not, what's the pleasure of the Board?
Mark McDonald: I'd like to make a comment. There's a feeling
that the Board almost always has when there's a number of people
that show up, that simply out of consideration to them you should
delay the hearing and put it off one hearing to consider their
comments. And that's been traditional I think of many of the
Board's. I know that we have generally done that. However, in
all honesty, in this case, all I see is myself dragging you back
here to another meeting. Because although whatever sympathies I
may feel for the problems you talk about, general zoning in the
town, I don't see how that has any bearing on this particular
case. The applicant has met the conditions of SEQRA, as best as
I can make them out. I'm sure litigation might prove otherwise,
because I don't pretend to be a judge or a lawyer, but we've
given it a very hard look as far as the way it conforms to the
community. It looks like a house. It's set back farther than
any house in the town is set back. They've done almost
everything we've asked, through every hoop. In fact, they've
done more than the McDonalds application in front of them, which
we gave a Negative Declaration to as well. If we were to put
every application through its paces that this one's been through,
you could be sure that the applicants would never question about
the thoroughness of a SEQRA review in the Town of Southold. It's
been intense. I'm not much inclined to go and drag everyone back
to another meeting when I believe strongly...I already know how I
must vote on this. It has nothing to do with my personal
feelings. It's got to do with what applicants are entitled to
under the law in front of me. I don't control zoning in this
town. That's not my job as a member of the Planning Board. I
don't do any of that stuff. At site plans, my charge is very
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clear. Here's the list that the Town Board gives me to check
against. The applicant comes in, I check it against that list;
there's some personal decisions, in this case we exercised them,
about the look of the building, the extra set-back in it, the
landscaping, the run-off, a number of items that we used our
personal judgement on. But I really don't see what more we could
ask this applicant about the character of the town, other than
not going on this site. And that's not one of the alternatives
for me as a member of the Planning Board.
Now, every other Tuesday, six people meet in this room who can
help you. But they're not the five people who sit here. My job
is to process these applications. And at a certain point, if I
don't process them, I get sued. And when I get sued, you're
getting sued. Now, if there's cause for the lawsuit, bring it
on. But if there's no cause, all I'm doing is running up the tab
for the taxpayers, for nothing. And I don't see it in this case.
I really just cannot see it. We've been over it top to bottom.
There's nothing left. They're going to cart the garbage away,
anything we said, they'll do it. They've been very cooperative.
My personal opinion is, I'd like to read the resolution and grant
a Negative Declaration, but I don't know if I have the support
for that, so if you want, I'll read the resolution and we'll see
if I get a second. Or, if you prefer, we can discuss it.
Mr. Ward: Let's read it in.
Mr. McDonald:
I'd like to make a motion that
BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting
under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, establish
itself as lead agency and as lead agency makes a determination of
non-significance (CHANGE TAPE) and grants a conditional Negative
Declaration.
Mr. Ward: I'd just like to make a statement also, and concur
with what Mark has said and that we as a Board have labored over
this particular situation, even up to the present, a week ago,
asking for revised elevations on the buildings, and trying to
make this small building as compatible as possible with the
spirit and nature of the facility. We all, and personally, I
have some mixed feelings about fast food coming to Southold, but
as the spirit of the law allows, it does allow for it at the
present time. If we're going to disallow it in the future, we're
going to have to change our cOde,cand change where we're at with
it. I think Mr. Denis, as the architect on this project, has
done a fine job with what he's been presented and what's
presented to the town. Along with this, we have the conditions
of garbage and traffic. The conditions of this resolution will
include five or six comments from the State Highway Department,
which is going to require certain improvements in the road, which
is a coordinated review which they have done throughout the
Mattituck area, which are going to be improvements made to the
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whole road system. To that extent then, if there's anybody else
who would like to speak.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, I would just to support both Mr. Ward and
Mr. McDonald. I mean, I've been here a long time, and this was
originally a Friendlys that walked away, and then it was going to
be a McDonalds and they walked away and most of you people were
here. Unfortunately it was the wrong Board and it's the eleventh
hour. I mean, it was two years ago and at that time the Planning
Board, I think as a whole, we talked about what to do with fast
food restaurants. We realize that, that something should be
done. Except nobody listened to us, so we have to move on and do
the job that's in front of us with the rules that are in front of
us. But, I think that if all of you here sat in front of the
Town Board every week, that two years ago we probably wouldn't be
here today. Like Mark says, there's only so much we can do with
the rules that we have. I'll second it.
Mr. Ward: OK. Motion's been seconded. All in favor?
Ayes: Mr. McDonald, Mr. OrlowSki, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Ward.
Mr. Ward: Opposed? Motion carried.
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Mr. Ward: Lorraine S. Terry - Approved 4 lot SUb~~ion on the
north side f Main Road. SCTM# 1000-18-5718.3, ~~~~' 18.5 &
18.6. What' the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. McDonald: I 1 make a motion.
BE IT RESOLVED that e Southold Tow lanning Board eliminate
the condition that was equired as art of the final approval of
the minor subdivision fo S. Terry.
The condition that has been that "No building
permits be issued until the i well has been installed by the
developer and accepted by he Or1 nt Fire District." The Orient
Fire District, in a let r dated 0 ober 25, 1993, recommended
that the fire well re irement be e11 inated as the subdivision
is covered by an ad uate water supply or emergency purposes.
The Planning Boar Concurs with tne reco endation of the fire
district.
Mr. McDonald, Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Edwards, Mr.
Mr. Edwards: Second
Mr. Ward Motion made and seconded.
M . Ward: Opposed? Motion carried
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Richard G. Ward. Chalnnan
George Ritchie Latham. Jr.
Bennett Orlowski. Jr.
Mark S. McDonald
Kenneth L. Edwards
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Town Hall. 53095 Main Road
p. O. Box 1179
Southold. New York 11971
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PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Fax (516) 765 - 1823
November 16, 1993
Charles R. Cuddy
Attorney at Law
180 Old Country Rd. (Rt. 58)
P.O. Box 1547
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Proposed Site Plan for
Burger King Restaurant
SCTM* 1000-122-7-3.1
Dear Mr. Cuddy:
The fOllowing resolution was adopted by the Southo1d Town
Planning Board at a meeting held on Monday, November 15, 1993:
BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting
under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, establishes
itself as lead agency, and as lead agency makes a determination
of non-significance, and grants a conditional Negative
Declaration.
Enclosed please find a copy of the Negative Declaration for your
records.
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PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P. O. Box 1179
Southold. New York 11971
Telephone (516) 765-1938
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Fax (516) 765 - 1823
State Environmental Quality Review
CONDITIONAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION
Notice of Determination Non-Significant
November 15, 1993
This notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 of the implementing
regulations pertaining to Article 8 (State Environmental Quality
Review Act) of the Environmental Law.
The Southold Town Planning Board, as lead agency, has determined
that the proposed action described below will not have a
significant effect on the environment and a Draft Environmental
Impact Statement will not be prepared.
Name of Action:
Burger King Restaurant
Mattituck
SCTM# :
1000-122-7-3.1
Location:
South side of Main Road, 800 feet west
of the intersection of Main Road
and Old Main Road, Mattituck
SEQR Status:
Type I
Unlisted
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( X )
Conditioned Negative Declaration: Yes
No
( X )
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Description of Action:
Proposed 3,000 square foot restaurant with 86 seats on 2.98
acres for Burger King Restaurant
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SEQRA Conditional Negative Declaration - Burger King Restaurant
November 15, 1993
Conditions for Burger King Restaurant
1. The impacts that will result from the present lack of
turning lanes shall be addressed by the installation
of roadway modifications to State Route 25 as contained
in the State Department of Transportation's November 9,
1993, letter to Mr. Vincent Corrado, Dunn Engineering
Associates.
2. The applicant shall provide a means of minimizing
potential erosion of all slope areas with particular
emphasis on the majority of the slopes which are in the
12-18% range as well as those 30% or more. The pitch of
the land and proximity to Main Road cause concern for
sediment transport during construction activities. The
site plan should indicate a means of avoiding this
situation.
Reasons Supporting This Determination:
This determination is issued in full consideration of
the criteria for determination of significance contained
in Article 6 NYCRR Part 617.11, the Long Environmental
Assessment Form Parts I, II, and III, and the following
specific reasons:
1. Subject property is zoned B (Business). The zoned use
is permissible in accordance with a special exception
previously approved. The project has been compared to
the bulk and dimensional requirements of the zoning
district and is found to be in conformance with these
requirements.
2. The Long EAF Part I indicates nitrogen waste water
discharge of less than 900 gallons per day. Article
6 limits on-site discharge of nitrogen waste water
to 900 gallons per day, therefore the discharge of
nitrogen bearing waste of less than 900 gallons per
day is within the sanitary discharge limitation in
Groundwater Management Zone IV, when public water
water is not available. The scope of the project is
consistent with groundwater management guidelines as
outlined in Suffolk County's Sanitary Code (Article 6).
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SEQRA Conditional Negative Declaration - Burger King Restaurant
November 15, 1993
3. The applicant will have to comply with the requirements
of the Suffolk County Sanitary Code (SCSC) and all
relevant standards of water supply. Design and flow
specification, subsurface soil conditions, and site
plan details will have to be approved by the Suffolk
County Department of Health Services (SCDHS). This
impact is not considered significant due to the
anticipated project compliance with established
requirements of the SCSC and the SCDHS and the
required relevant permits.
4. The site is mostly devoid of native vegetation. It
is being recolonized by herbaceous weed. The site was
not found to contain any unique species of vegetation
or wildlife.
5. The applicant has supplied architectural elevations in
order to identify the "style" of the structure. Review
of these elevations finds that the project is in con-
formance with general architectural style of the area.
6. The applicant has completed a Traffic Impact Study which
demonstrates that the project is not likely to have an
undue burden on the road transportation system of the
immediate area. The quantified traffic impacts can be
mitigated by the installation of roadway modifications
such as, but not limited to, turning lanes, strengthened
shoulders, and a deceleration lane. As contained in
the New York State Department of Transportation letter
of November 9, 1993, to Mr. Vincent Corrado of Dunn
Engineering Associates.
7. The building has been set back 140 feet from the road.
Further, the site design provides for "landbanking" of
parking stalls in order to maintain natural areas.
Landscaping has been proposed around the perimeter of
the site in order to improve visual aesthetics, and
provide a buffer for neighboring residentially zoned
properties.
8. The project calls for a use that is in conformance with
the Board of Zoning Appeals Special Exception allowing
the construction of a fast-food restaurant on the
subject site. The proposed use excludes a drive-in
window that was included in the prior application for
the site. This is consistent with the Board of Zoning
Appeals decision.
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SEQRA Conditional Negative Declaration - Burger King Restaurant
November 15, 1993
For Further Information:
Contact Person: Robert G. Kassner
Address: Planning Board
Telephone Number: (516) 765-1938
cc: Thomas Jorling, DEC Albany
Suffolk County Planning Commission
Suffolk County Dept. of Health Services
Judith Terry, Town Clerk
Building Dept.
Board of Trustees
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Zoning Board of Appeals
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Status: Final Approval Records Management
SCTM #: 1000 - 122.-7-3.1
Proiect Name: Burqer Kinq
Address: south side of NYS Rt. 25. east of Brav Ave.. in Mattituck
Hamlet: Mattituck
Applicant Name: COFAM Realtv Company
Owner Name: COFAM Realtv Co.
Zone 1: B
Approval Date: 3/28/94
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