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MEMBERS
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER CHAIRMAN
CHARLES GRIGONIS JR.
SERGE DOYEN. JR.
ROBERT .I. DOUGLASS
JOSEPH H. SAWlCKI
Southold Town Board of Appeals
MAIN ROAD- STATE ROAD 25 SDUTHOLD, L.I,, N.Y. 11971
TELEPHONE (516) 765-1809
MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
APRIL 20, 1983
A Regular Meeting of the Sou~hold Town Board of Appeals was held
on Wednesday, April 20, 1983 at 7:30 o'clock p.m. at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, Sou~hold, New York.
Present were: Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman; Charles Grigonis,
Jr.; Serge Doyen, Jr.; Robert J. Douglass and Joseph H. Sawicki.
Also present was Mr. Victor Lessard, Administrato~.(Building Department)
and approximately 30 persons in the audience.
The Chairman opened the meeting at 7:30 o'clock p.m. and proceeded
with the first public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3097. Application for ROBERT AND
JOANNE DEVOE, by Irving L. Price, Jr., Esq., 828 Front Street, Green-
port, NY for a Variance to Section 280-A, New York Town Law, for
approval of access over a private right-of-way located off the north
side of Main ~S.R. 25) Road, at Terry's Point, Orient, NY; Parcel
in Question: Subdivision Lot ~3 of Minor Subdivision of Jonathan D.
Stern; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-17-02-001.2.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 7:30 o'clock p.m. and
read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal
application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of a subdivision map surveyed
June 25, 1970 indicating the nature of the right-of-way which is
some 480 feet from the Main Road to the beginning of the subdivision
of Jonathan D. Stern. We also have a copy of the Suffolk County Tax
Map indicating this property and the surrounding properties in the
area. Mr. Price, would you like to be heard in behalf of this
application?
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April 20,--1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3097 - ROBERT AND JOANNE DEVOE, continued:)
IRVING L. PRICE, JR., ESQ.: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Board:
In addition to the statements upon the application, you will note that
the Notice of Disapproval of a Building Permit dated March 9, 1983 is
upon the grounds that there is no access approval from State Highway,
Route 25, Main Road, to the Minor Subdivision per 280-A. I submit
that this is incorrect for at least four reasons.
One, the ignored right-Of-way or access is actually shown on
the Minor Subdivision Map entitled, "Minor Subdivision for Jonathan
Stern at Orient, New York" as of September 30, 1976. This was approved
by the Planning Board when this subdivision was approved. It shows
480' long, 33' wide, running from the Main Road to the subject Minor
Subdivision.
The same ignored access is shown on the ancient filed subdivision
maps of Mantalo~ken Hills, Mantaloken Bungalow Sites Amended, at
Orient, New York under Filed Map ~620, 163, 765, filed in the dates
of 1908 to 1921. It is conveyed to the applicants by a deed dated
December 14, 1982 and recorded' in the office of the clerk of the
County of Suffolk on December 21, 1982 at Liber 9287 of conveyances
at page 464. It is shown as a separate parcel on the Suffolk County
Tax Map District 1000, Section 0171, Block 03, Plot No. 14.
The Town Engineer has recommended as to updating the 30' right-
of-way, really 33~ from the State Highway, for heaving trucking and
construction equipment, Report 1268, December 28, 1982:
"...Access to the 30' right-of-way from the State Highway should
be updated for heavy trucking and construction equipment.
1. The macadam section should be patched with bituminous
material where necessary.
2. Place 4" of compacted medium size gravelm(similar to present
gravel) 12' in width on the gravel sections.
3. The concrete section may take construction traffic. If damaged
would have to be repaired or replaced with other material.
4. Place 4" of compacted medium size gravel 12' ~n width in the
30' right-of-way following the alignment of the prior road, to the left
hand turn (grading started here). Place 6" of the above compacted
gravel as a top course on the graded section (250 ft, more or less).
5. Some provision should be made for turning emergency vehicles.
A graded and stabilized road area, right and left of the .access road,
in the right-of-way in front of Lots #1 and 92 should provide T fnrns.
6. Medium size gravel is recommended as it would be in harmony with
other gravel roads in the area. Stone blend can be Substituted if
gravel is not available.
/s/ John W. Davis .... "
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April 20,~i983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3097 - ROBERT AND JOANNE DEVOE, continued:)
MR. PRICE continued:
February 12, 1983...same engineer...same right-of-way:
"...Gravel (Report 268) was recommended for updating the exist-
ing access road and also for the new 250 ft. section, more or less,
to be in keeping with other gravel roads in the vicinity.
I would approve stone blend as an alternate material for the
road where gravel had been recommended. This material to be compacted
and used at the widths and depths as called for with gravel.
The macadam section of the road should be patched with bituminous
material as noted in Report 268 .... "
/s/ John W. Davis.
Now, as to the present condition and circumstances of the said
access to Main Road, your speaker personally in a 1982 Chryslar New
Yorker on or about April 14, 1983 traversed this road to the minor
subdivision turning east on the road, bordering the south and an old
cemetery beyond the subdivision to another, private road runnmng
north and south with access to the same Main Road and after a short
distance southward turned west along another road until he reached
the same access. He could have turned south and traveled to the
Main Road; instead he went north, %hen east along minor subdivision
to the other south road and then south to the same Main Road, thus
there are in fact four possible ways to reach this minor subdivision
while they are private roads. The public including the applicant
have rights over these private roads from their predecessor in title
and as members of the public by right of prescriptions. During your
speaker's inspection, he encountered no difficulty in driving said
car over these access roads. In fact, he has driven over these same
roads for some 50 years and has observed no change in their condition.
He also observed driveways of existing houses off the subject access
that there probably at least eight existing houses now using said
right-of-way for access to their homes. If any of the other 15 to 20
houses located on the other private roads described above were to use
this right-of-way or access, it could, be said almost 30 existing
homes are using the same access in the same present condition. There
would be no problem for emergency vehicles to obtain access to the
minor subdivision upon the existing roads, thus it seems we have
demonstrated that there is access to the minor subdivision; that it
is in use by the occupants of other dwellings in the same area and
has been used as such for upwards of 50 years.
Further, to require this one applicant to expend their sums of
money to uPdate the same access road for use by heavy trucking and
construction equipment is packly unfair and unequal treatment. We
are a Country of laws and one of the laws ms a part of the Bill of
Rights, the first Ten Amendments to our Federal Constitution without
which it would not have been adopted. And that right is that indivi-
duals must be treated equal. To require applicant to fix UP this
road at a great expense and not to require the other present users
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April ~20,-1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3097 - ROBERT AND JOANNE DEVOE, continued:)
MR. PRICE continued:
is unequal treatment and unconstitutional. It would also constitute
hardship under the zoning ordinance of one not shared by the other
properties in the vicinity and will not violate the spirit of the
ordinance. Therefore, a variance should be granted and the building
department should be instructed to issue a building permit to appli-
cants as far as the 480', 33'-wide road from the Main Road to the
minor subdivision is concerned. Thank you.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Price, Would anybody else like
to be heard in behalf of this application? Anybody like to speak
against the application? (None) Any questions from any board mem-
bers? Anything further, Mr. Price? (Nothing further). Thank you.
Hearing no further comments, I'll make a motion closing the hearing
and reserving decision until later.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: Second.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearing and reserve decision u~til later
in the matter of the application of
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3092. Application of ERNEST H.
PRUSSNER, 910 Old Shipyard Lane, Sou~hold, NY for a Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31, Bulk Schedule, for
permission to construct extension reducing the rearyard setback and
exceeding the 20% maximum allowable lot coverage at 910 Old Shipyard
Lane, Southold, NY; Founders Estates Map 834, Subd. Lot 91; County
Tax Map Parcel ID No. 1000-064-04-022.
This hearing was recessed from the last Regular Meeting of
this board, to wit, March 23, 1983.
The hearing was reconvened at 7:45 p.m.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Miss Wickham, did you have anything you wish to
add to the application?
ABIGAIL W.tCKHAM, ESQ.: Yes, I would. First, I'd like to give
the board a set of copies of the revised map of the property. There
is a small shed in the rearyard which was not taken into account in
the initial computations, and I apologize for that oversight, and I
have revised it to show that. (MisS Wickham distributed five photo-
copies of the amended plan.) Also, in initially measuring the house,
the existing house is 47' long and it is actually 45' long. And that
difference is that the rearyard would be somewhat in excess of 39'
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April'~_~~, 1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3092 - ERNEST H. PRUSSNER, continued:)
MISS WICKHAM continued:
as opposed to 38' and the proposed lot coverage would be just over 24%
rather than just under 24%.
As far as the application itself goes, as you can see from your
inspection, the Prussners have a rather small house and they recently
acquired a large number of artifacts and special items from all over
the world as a result of their son's death; and since they have a
specialmeaning to them, they would like to find a place to keep them.
They also have very small rooms and only one bathroom in the house and
would like to expand to a larger master bedroom/bath area and also a
laundry area. They did attempt to buy a larger home in the neighbor-
hood and found that. none were available. Mr. Prussner and Mrs. Pruss-
net are here tonight, and I think he would like to explain to you the
process he went through in designing this proposed addition.
MR. PRUSSNER: Gentlemen. What happened, as you know I was
taken back with the loss of my son, and he was a high school teacher
over at Shelter Island and within eight months he was gone with cancer
and it sorn of gave mom and me a loss and an oppohtunity came up where
this bungalow was vacant next to Bettyann, which is my daughter, and
we thought, gee this was great to purchase it. So in the interim now
we find as we want to make it a fulltime home for ourselves, it seems
there are so many things of Ernie's that we just can't seem to part
with and what we thought, that we would like to add this additional
room and a bedroom with a bath for ourselves-'~th~ additional room
would be like a den where you could put Ernie's artifacts and things
that he brought home to us from all the years. He was a musician and
he had an organ and a piano which is part of our family and we would
like to keep is with us, and I had spoken to ... I made a drawing, I
didn't know what procedure I had to do and then I spoke to a builder
and he suggested I get somebody that I was a little too vague with my
plan. So Ne proposed for me to talk to Miss Wickham and I did, and
then she wrote me a nice letter and told me I had to bring it all
down, and in two or three times she finally came up with a size that
she thought would be excellent. We had gone on our side down here a
little bit a few feet and she said, "Please bring that back." And
we did all that, and if you would like to see this letter that Miss
Wickham wrote to me and she thought this was a fair variance to apply
for. Outside of that, I really don't know what to say. I don't think
it's...we plan to cver the whole house with vinyl to make it look neat
and be an asset to the community, which I'm sure that the people who
have seen since we've moved in what we've done to the place. I don't
know what else to add. I guess it's up to you, gsntlemen.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Can I ask you a question?
MR. PRUSSNER: Yes, sir.
MR. CHAIRMAN: What is the contents of the new addition--will it
be one large room, several rooms, or what?
MR. PRUSSNER: The new addition will be one den, which I plan to
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April 20,~ i983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3092 - ERNEST H. PRUSSNER, continued:)
MR. PRUSSNER continued:
use for the piano and the organ and Ernie's artifacts; and then the
other room would be a bathroom and a bedroom and a laundry room.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much.
MISS WICKHAM: I'd be glad to give a copy of this to the board.
I don't have an extra one with me. I can send it in. This is not the
final plan but it's proposed--
MR. PRUSSNER: No, in other words in will be in that area, but
this is the idea of the library and den, which would hold that, and
this would be the new bedroom and the bath, and the laundry room.
MR. CHAIRMAN: It's strictly a one-story structure.
MR. PRUSSNER: Oh, yes. Yes.
MISS WICKHAM: Mr. Prussner didn't say, but when he first came
in to me he had an addition that provided for a 12' rearyard and I
told him that would be a little too much to ask, and I sent to the
drawing board two or three times, and he did revise it down as far
as he could and still meet their needs of size. And I also
him to try and maintain the sideyards so that there wouldn't be any
jutting out of the house.
MR. PRUSSNER: Both sides will be exactly like they are now.
It's just a rearyard addition.
MR. CHAIRM_A_N: The reason for the alleyway in between the
existing dwelling and the proposed addition is so that you have light?
MR. PRUSSNER: That's right. Exactly. This is the kitchen over
here and the.bathroom, present bathroom, and the bedroom.
MR. CHAIRMAN: So you don't want to close that light off?
MR. PRUSSNER: That's it exactly, sir.
MISS WICKHAM: I was going to mention, and Mr. Lessard has just
corrected me...I was going to mention that the rearyard setback would
comply with the proposed revisions. I understand they're no longer
proposed; that they are actually in effect. When the application was
submitted to the building inspector, they did not meet the code, So
we're talking basically about excess lot coverage, and really the hard-
ship I think is that it is a small lot, and so when you're talking
about 20%, that's really geared as much as anything that's based on
40,000 square=foot code and here we're even, with a lot of only 11,250
which is comparable to many of the lots in the neighborhood, you're
talking about a variance or an increase of only about 4% over the
coverage requirements. And as I mentioned in the application, since
the garage is part of the house, that complicates their problems in
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April 20~'1!983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3092 - ERNEST H. PRUSSNER, continued:)
MISS WICKHAM continued:
terms of expansion. I don't think it is going to be a detriment to
the neighbors because there is at least some vegetation in the rear
more dense in the summer than the winter; and I don't think that since
the house, the addition will be at the back and will not be visible
it is jutting out from the sideyards that it would be not all the
problem. If you have any questions we'll be glad to answer them.
MR. CHAIRMAN: You'll send us a copy of that plan?
MISS WICKHAM: I will. Yes. It's a little askew; as you can
see he had it jutting out, and I had him move it over...bu~ with that
correction that's where it would be.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. Is there anybody else that
would like to speak in behalf of this application? Anybody like to
speak against the application? Sir, would you please state your name?
MR. MEREDITH: My name is Meredith. My mother lives next door
to the property. I own the property next to my mother. I object to
this extension on the basis that it puts the house in a size quite ou~
of keeping with the rest of the neighborhood. Unless the figures have
changed, I didn't get what the dimensional changes were, but the exten-
sion will be from the old figures 55 square feet larger than my own
mother's house. The house as it stands now excluding the 181 square
feet for the garage is over 1500 square feet. Our house I think is
considered a good size house and it's just under 1500 square feet.
We're talking a 2675 square house in an area where I dare say that
something 1500 would be the average--well u~der 1500. That's all I
have to say.
MR. PRUSSNER: May I ask you a question, Mr. Meredith--
MR. CHAIRMAN: Excuse me, Mr. Prussner. You have to address
everything through the board.
MR. PRUSSNER: I just wanted to know--did Mr. Meredith have to
get a variance for his extensions on the garage? He's on the same
piece of property as mine.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Meredith, did you understand the question?
MR. MEREDITH: The extension to our house was built in 1960--
no, that's not right. 1963, I believe. I owned the property and I
never had to apply for any variance, no. Actually I was living out
of the Country at the time, but I don't think anybody could have
handled it for me because I signed no papers.
MR. CHAIRMAN: ts there anybody elSe? Yes.
ELIZABETH GOLDSMITH: My name is Elizabeth Goldsmith, and I live
on the other side of my parents' home, and I would just like to say
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April 20~1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3092 - ERNEST H. PRUSSNER, continued:)
that our house is a two-story house, Mr. Meredith's mother's house is
a two-story house; we have lived in the neighborhood since 1965 when
we were married so that's almost 18 years. Mr. Meredith's extension
was built after that. Not only Mr. Meredith's, but many homes in the
area .have had additions and changes put on them for various reasons.
No one in the neighborhood has ever objected to any of the changes
or any of the additions that have been put onto~the homes when we
realized the needs of the neighborhood have changed. And whatever
changes have been made have enhanced the. neighborhood and so the
neighbors have never objected, But believe there have been many
changes made in the 18 years that my husband and I have lived there.
MR. CHAIRMAN: .Thank you. Is there anybody else that would like
to speak against this application? (None) Any questions from anyone?
Miss Wickham, anything?
MISS WICKHAM: I'd just like to mention that Mr. Meredith
didn't produce any evidence to show what the average size of the
house in the neighborhood is.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Did you hear--
MISS WICKHAM: WOuld you like me to repeat it?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, please.
MISS WICKHAM: You didn't produce any evidence to demonstrate
what the average size of the homes in the neighborhood is.
MR. MEREDITH: That I have any ~vidence?
MISS WICKHAM: That you did not produce any.
MR. MEREDITH: I didn't go aroUnd and measure house for house, no.
But my own house from observation is a good-size house and it's under
1500~square feet.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Did you want to say something, Mrs. Prussner?
MRS. PRUSSNER: The only thing I want to say is, Mr. Meredith is
quoting the size and his objection, but he doesn't live next to us.
It won't affect him.
MR. PRUSSNER: Mr. Chairman, I would like to make another sugges-
tion?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes.
MR. PRUSSNER: Originally as Miss Wickham said, there was a home
which I tried to buy rightCnext door in fact to Mr. Meredith, and
naturally they weren't interested, but I also asked Mr. Meredith if
he...I know his mother is getting on in age and I said, "If at any time
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(Appeal No. 3092 - ERNEST H. PRUSSNER, continued:)
MR. PRUSSNER continued:
that you should decide to sell your mother's home, I would be delighted
and still am to be thought of as a chance to buy it." And I would like
that also to go on the records because then it-isn't that he is going
to have a hardship because I have or would offer to buy it, if it was
within reason.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Any further comments from anyone in
the audience? Questions from board members? (None) 'Hearing no fur-
ther questions, I'll make a motion closing the hearing and reserving
decision until later.
MEMBER SAWICKI: Second.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Sawicki, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearinq and reserve decision until later
in the matter of the application of ERNEST H. PRUSSNER, Appeal No.
3092.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3106. Application for ANDREW
KRUPSKI and another, by William B. Smith, 220 Mechanic Street, South-
old, NY for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section
100-31 for approval of two lots having insufficient area and width.
Location of Property: Lots 23, 24 and 25 of Subdivision Map of Jona-
than T. Overton; more particularly known as 1460 Town Harbor Lane,
Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000~064~05-12 and 13.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8:00 o'clock p.m. and
read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal
application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of a survey produced by Roderick
VanTuyl, P.C. on September 13, 1976 indicating the house lot of
14,937 square feet and a lot, Lot B, of 15,862 square feet. And I
have a copy of the Suffolk County Tax Map indicating this property
and the surrounding properties in the area. Would somebody like to
be heard in behalf of this application?
DAN SMITH: I'm Dan Smith and my brother B~ll asked me to take
his place since he is not able to come. And this came up all of a
sudden so I'm not too familiar with it, but this subdivision...this
property is on the Subdivision of Jonathan Overton which was original-
ly laid out in 50' lots and most all the houses in that subdivision
are on 50' lots...a couple of them were on 75' lots, and then the
subdivision to the rear of this property, which was Founders Estates
was all laid out on 75' lots and most of the houses uver there are on
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(Appeal No. 3106 - ANDREW KRUPSKI and another, continued:)
MR. SMITH continued:
75' lots, so that's all I can tell you about it. If there are any
questions--
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Smith. We'll see what happens as
the hearing goes on. WouId anybody else like to speak in favor of
this application? Anybody like to speak against the application?
(No one) Any questions from any board members? (None) I just have
one question, Mr. Smith. Concerning the driveway which we observed
when we took pictures, it appeared that the driveway that is being
presently used seems to go over that Lot B. Would that be re-routed
then back onto Lot A if this division was approved?
MR. SMITH: Well, according to -- it doesn't show that driveway
on here, bu~ I assume that the driveway won't be on the same 75'
lot with the house.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I mean there won't be any deeded right-of-way
over that Lot B?
MR. SMITH: No. No there won't be anything like that.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. Hearing no further comments
concerning this hearing, I'll make a motion closing the hearing and
reserving decision until later.
MEMBER GRIGONIS.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearing and reserve decision until later
in the matter of the application of ANDREW K~UPSKI AND ANOTHER, Appeal
No. 3106.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grig.onis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3105. Application for N. CHARLES
AND SYLVIA DeLUCA, by Richard F. Lark, Esq., Main Road, Cu~chogue;
NY for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-
31, Bulk Schedule, for permission to construct one-family dwelling
with deck addition with an insufficient rearyard setback, at 1235
Wells Road, Peconic, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000~86-2-part of 1.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8:04 o'clock p.m. and
read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal
application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of a survey amended, on 12/15/82 in-
dicating the existing setback and area of the proposed deck to be
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(Appeal No. 3105 N. CHARLES AND SYLVIA DeLUCA, continued:)
MR. CHAIRMAN continued:
constructed on two sides of this parti~ular dwelling. We also have a
copy of the Suffolk County Tax Map indicating this property and the
surrounding properties in the area. Would somebody like to be heard
in behalf of this application?
MR. DeLUCA: Ail I can say, Mr. Chairman, is that my application
speaks for itself.
MR. CHAIRMAN: You are Mr. DeLuca?
MR. DeLUCA: Yes, I am.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir.
MR. DeLUCA: Pleasure.
MR. CHAIRMAN: At no time was this proposed deck, Mr. DeLuca,
ever be snclosed?
MR. DeLUCA: No.
MR. CHAIRMAN: You wouId have no objection to that restriction
being placed on it?
MR. DeLUCA: Not at all. In fact I'm a conservationist. This
is one of the reasons why I chose to combine both lots, just to build
one~house to enhance the beauty of the area. It is on the creek and
I felt that being a naturalist, putting one house and letting the
natural scope of the land, would really look good. If you had a deck
you can appreciate it.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Would anybody else like to be heard
in behalf of this application? Anybody like to speak against the
application? Questions from any board members? (None) Hearing no
further comments, I'll make a motion closing the hearing and reserv-
ing decision until later.
MEMBER GRIGONIS: Second.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, to close the heateD.g, and reserve decision until later
in the matter of the application of N. CHARLES AND SYLVIA DeLUCA,
Appeal No. 3105.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
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PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3087. Application for LULA M_AE
LATHAM, by Twomey, Latham and Shea, Esqs., 33 West Second Street,
Riverhead, NY for a Variance to Section 280'A, New York Town Law,
for approval of access over a private right-of-way located off the
south side of Main (S.R. 25), Orient, NY; Parcel in Question:
1000-019-01-010.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8:13 o'clock p.m. and
read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal
application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of a survey produced by Roderick
VanTuyl, P.C. amended May 25, 1978 indicating a right-of-way of
approximately I6' wide running southerly approximately 1283' from the
Main State Road into the property and thence going 25' wide for a
period of approximately 691' into this 40,000 square-foot parcel.
We also have a copy Of the County Tax Map showing this property
and the properties in the area. Is there somebody that would like
to speak in behalf of this application?
AMY TURNER: I'm Amy Turner and I'm an attorney with Twomey,
Latham and Shea and we represent LuIa Mae Latham. I wanted to
elaborate on the application. We have pending with the Planning
Board an application to set-off a one-acre lot as it shows there
on the map. The first meeting with the Planning~ Board was Monday.
The purpose 6f the subdivision is to enable Mrs. Latham to convey
this lot to her daughter, Diana, who is frequently out here and
frankly it's a bit of estate planning rather than anything else.
As you can see from the map, there is no frontage on a
public road. There is a right-of-way...I believe it's not as
long as 1,283' That measurement is from the Main Road to the
beginning of the scenic easement. It's less than 1,283' but
it is substantially far. That right-of-way has been used for at
least a century by the Latham's family. It ~as conveyed to them
by virtue of a deed. I mailed to you a deed; I'm not sure that
you've received it.
SECRETARY: Yes.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, it's in the file.
MISS TURNER: It's very co~fusing in that area as you are
all aware of. It's a very old deed. We believe that the character
of the community would not--that the surrounding area would not be
changed in any way. The purposes of the subdivision is to convey
the lot to Mrs. Latham's daughter. She already uses that lot when
she comes out and uses the right-of-way when she comes out to visit.
As you'll notice there is already a building on the lot proposed to
be set off and that building hasn't been occupied for quite some
time. It was built way before 1950 but it is the Latham's intention
to renovate that so that Mrs. Latham's daughter can have a place to
live our there--ou~ here. Certainly the applicant would suffer a
hardship; Mrs. Latham has been using that right-of-way--she's got
Southold Town Board of Appeals -13- April 20, 1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3087 - LULA-MAE LATH .AM, continued:)
MISS TURNER continued:
substantial property there and if this variance is .denied it is to be
precluded from ever being conveying one lot to her daughter, and cer-
tainly I think the difficulty here is unique in that many of the lots
in the area do have access. And I'd also like to mention something
abouG the condition of the right-of-way. I believe it's about 8 to 10
feet wide and it's hard-packed dirG and the Lathams have .... I believe the
only neighbors who have done any work on that r'ight-of-way, they
managed to go out every Spring; if there were any potholes that had
developed over the Winter, with stone and it is currently used by
not only the Lathams bug farmers who lease the lower part of the property
as well as some of the TuGhill farmers who farm on the Tuthill land, and
I u~derstand that town vehicles do go down there.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Can I ask you a question, and we ask everybody the
same question. Mrs. Latham does have a legal right-of-way over this
particular parcel leading to her property~-a deeded right-of-way?
didn't get a chance to read--
MISS TURNER: Yes, I brought to you this 1888 deed which has--
it's a v~ry old kind of description bug it extends from the Main Road
down to -- this actual right-of-way was'deeded to a 10-acre piece and
the Lathams acquired their property in segments, so, in fact I believe
this lot is even within that 10 acres.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok. Thank you very much. Is there anybody else
that would like to be heard in behalf of this application? Anybody
like to speak against the application?
ROBERT WEBBER: Mr. Chairman, I wish to speak on the application,
not against it.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Can I have your name?
MR. WEBBER: Yes. My name is Robert Webber. I'm the owner to
the north, and my only question is--I have no problem with the access
you know for the Latham property as the attorney mentioned, for 100
years they have been using it, and I have no problem at all with the~
Lathams using it. The question I have is that my deed, which I
received from Edward Koroleski, makes no mention of an easement or
a right-of-way. And that's the thing I would like to have cleared up.
My deed describe~ the property and my survey map' shows a traveled way
but no easement. My survey is my Robert Smith, L.L.S., January 9, 1980
where he shows a 10' traveled way in use--which it is. I have a tenant
farmer who farms my ten acres. He uses that traveled way, and the
Lathams use the traveled way. It is a private road~-marked is a pri-
vate road up here. I would be interested in seeing the deed that
provides for that right-of-way. As I say I have no opposition--it's
just a question of clearing i't up on my deed. And also I have a
guaranteed title that does not mention any deed.
~outhold Town Board o~Appeals -14- April 20~ 1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3087 LULA MAE LATHAM, continued:)
MR. CHAIRMAN: I guess my best bet would be to take this out
of the file. Do you have a more discernable copy than ours?
MISS TURNER: Well, that's very difficult.
any better.
don't think it's
MR. CHAIRMAN: I think mine is a better copy.
(Mr. Lessard made a copy of the 1888 right-of-way easement
for Mr. Webber. A copy of Mr. Webber's survey and deeds were
provided for the record.)
MISS TURNER: The deed describes the right-of-way as going over
land of that was formerly David Petty's lot which I belleve is the
predecessor to Webber, so the legal right-of-way is actually over
the Webber piece. The traveled right-of-way as I'm sure the survey
shows--I have one from Mr. VanTuYt which I'll give you, it shows that
it now varies a little through use over now Hoey property as well as
the Webber property. And as far as Mr. Webber's deed, we're aware
that the deed doesn't contain a subject-to clause nor did his prede-
cessor, but the deed, I think it's likely that there was some confu
sion here because these deeds are very old and it's very, very diffi-
cult for us to track them down. And that wasn't mentioned in the
title report that there's a right-of-way --Mr. Webber's title report,
an existing right-of-way being used and subject to the possible~ use
by others.
MR. WEBBER: I have a title report. There is mention 6f a--
MR. CHAIRMAN: This is your title report (the Chairman quickly
reviewed the title report).
MR. WEBBER: Yes, this is my title report. They mention a
10' traveled way partly over the westerly portion of the premises
which is true.
MR. CHAIRMAN: They don't give any indication of whose.
MR. WEBBER: No. I mean it has been farmed for years, you know,
the farmers all use it and of course the Lathams used for a good number
of years.
MR. CHAIRMAN: This is certainly not within my purview, ok, but
I'll ask the question. I would assume there has been no title insur-
ance on this property and that's the reason why you have--
MISS TURNER: There hasn't been. We have tried to, plan to
concern in terms of cost here and they have not obtained the certi-
ficate of title, and all of these parcels have been in the family for
going back at least 1883, 1888. So there has been a recent title
_ report. I don't think there even was-when these were all conveyed
between 1888 and 1903.
~outhold Town Board od~ppeals -15- April 20~ 1983 Regular Meeting
(ApPeal No. 3087 - LULA MAE LATHAM, continued:)
MR. WEBBER: Is the deed recorded in the County Clerk's Office?
MISS TURNER: Yes, it is. It's Liber 313 page 239. It's from
David Petty and his wife Josephine to Fred Latham and that pertains
to a 10-acre parcel which is part of that area. I should also mention
that there was a subsequent deed to a five-acre piece that excepted
in favor of someone else a right-of-way...it gets kind of confusing
but it was Orange Petty, with a history of the area which referred
to a right-of-way going from the Main Road north and south alonq all
of this property sufficient for the passage of two--the deeds a~e,
all subsequent deeds in the Latham Family refer to rights-of-way, but
this deed that I just cited, Liber 313, spells out the right-of-way.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Any other questions, Mr. Webber?
MR. WEBBER: Yeah, I think--there will be no question, I think,
as far as the rights of the Lathams.~ They have used the road for
100 years and there'S nobody that a~e ~oing to say that you can't use
it. So they've acquired that right whether they have a deed or they
don't have a deed. I think that -- I'm not an attorney but I would
say that would be true. My question would be on the subdivision,
whether the subdivision would have the same -- draw the same rights.
I realize in this case it's in the family, but it could be sold as
a separate parcel once it's subdivided it could be sold and there
would be another owner using that traveled way.
MISS TURNER: May I interject for one second-- That's true, but
the Lathams, neither Diana or her mother Lula Mae, have any intentions
of further subdividing the property. Most of it is in a scenic ease-
ment and they are trying their hardest to keep it within the family
in the state which it is in as I explained to you, the purpose of
this is really for estate-tax purposes. But even assuminq if at some
future date should Diana when this lot would be conveyed ~ant to sell
that lot--the intensity of the use is not going to change in any way
certainly. It will bE then two families or two occupants on a
practically 30-acre piece. I can understand your concern with res-
pect to future subdivisions should they want to come in and carve up
this property, which is highly unlikely, but certainly you will have
an opportunity at that point to object to applications for 280-A
access on those lots, and can certainly argue that that may unreason-
ably burden the right-of-way.
MR. WEBBER: I have no problem at all with the Lathams using
the right-of-way. I might have a problem with a subsequent owner. I
don't really know. They have been good neighbors like all the people
out there are very good neighbors, and that is the reason I bought
out there. As they know, it's a nice area. I have no problems with
the Lathams at all, but if that property was sold, I might have a
problem. That's my only concern. Since it's being subdivided, if
it's a family parcel, while it might be subdivided for estate planning
I don't quite see the need for the subdivision. That's my concern --
-why is that being subdivided?
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April 20, '~983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3087 - LULA MAE LATHAM, continued:)
MISS TURNER: You get into a lot of technicalities, but it would
have to be subdivided in order for it to even be conveyed to her
daughter. That's why we're in before the Planning Board at this
juncture.
MRJ CHAIRMAN: Excuse me, this is a two-lot subdivision here.
Let me add here that we are basically entertaining this 280-A for
the purpose of one lot and one house. There is a great possibility
there may be a restriction placed on this 280-A that any further
construction, meaning on the remaining parcel, the larger parcel,
may require additional improvements for that particular piece of
property which would then, may be the nature of a public hearing
and you would then have'the right to voice your opinion again, Mr.
Webber. So that's all I can suggest to you at this particular t~me.
MISS TURNER: Could you write down the restriction that might
be considered?
MR. CHAIRMAN: The restriction could be -- there could be a
restriction...I have no idea what the other four gentlemen on this
board feel, that's ohe of the reasons why we don't make immediate
decisions. That since this right-of-way is being improved for
only one dwelling, if it's being granted, I'm sorry, at this
particular time, there is a great possibility that any further
dwellings that may exist will require further improvements to the
right-of-way, depending upon whatever those improvements may be.
MISS TURNER: Oh, I see.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok? Thank you very much.
wishing to speak in behalf of this application?
tions from any board members? Bob.
Is there anybody else
Against? Any ques-
MEMBER DOUGLASS: Can you tell me how many people altogether
have a right over that right-of-way?
MISS TURNER: Out as far as I know it would just be the Lathams
at this point. The people who--the owners of the Latham property
which is Lula Mae Latham and her family. I don't think that there
are any--as far as I know I don't think there are any other property
owners who have a legal right-of-way over that road. I know it is
being used by the farmers on what was formerly the Tuthitl property,
but I'm not familiar really with their rights to that.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: Would ou check on that?
MISS TURNER: Yes. But I know in fact that~it's'only used,
aside from the Lathams and their lessees and Mr. Webbe~ and his
tenants occasionally, the Tu~hills do have farm vehicles that tend
to go down there, but it's not used by anybody else.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: You might find that there is other land
down farther.
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(Appeal No. 3087 - LULA MAE LATHAM, continued:)
MISS TURNER: Farther that has a right of way over that?
MEMBER DOUGLASS: (Nodded yes.)
MISS TURNER: What would you like from us in terms of that?
MEMBER DOUGLASS: I would like to know how many, altogether;
I would like to have it investigated and let us know how many alto-
gether have a right over that at the present time. If there is
anybody other than them.
MISS TURNER: Yes, well, as far as I know from o~r d~eds,
they're not. I don't know if Mr. Webber can shed'some light on
that. It's really his property there.
MR. WEBBER: The only other one I know would be the farmer
who I lease my land to and I believe he also farmed the Latham
piece, and that's Edward Latham. He is leasing the property from
me and he has permission to use that road. I think he's aIso
farming the others.
MISS TURNER: I have no reason to believe that there is any
other lot in the area that has a right-of-way over this. I haven't
seen anything. I don't know if Mr. Webber has. I will look into
it--._~
MR. WEBBER: There is one other thing, Mr. Chairman...%he
Oysterponds Rod and Gun Club do hunt in that area. They do have
permission from me to post the property and actually to.hunt on
the property. I've given that right in writing, so they could be
people from the Oysterponds Rod and Gun Club using that road and
the road on the other side of the property.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I'll make a motion closing the hearing With
the pro viso that possibly'you research and see if there is anybody
else concerning Mr. Douglass' request and sense us a letter to that
respect within the next two weeks, something of that nature.
MISS TURNER: Ok, fine, I will make-inquiries...I don't know
tSat I can search deeds--
MR. CHAIRMAN: Just send us a letter if you can't find anybody
but let us know if you have found anybody else. Would that be all
right with you, sir?
MR. WEBBER: Yes, it would.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok. Hearing no further comment, I'll make that
motion.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: Second.
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(Appeal No. 3087 LULA MAE LATHAM, continued:)
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearing and reserve decision, with the
pro viso that a research be conducted by the applicant as to any
record coKcerning other persons having rights over the subject
right-of-way.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonls, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
TEMPORARY RECESS: On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr.
Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, to temporarily recess the Regular Meeting of this
board for approxImately three minutes, at which time the Regular
Meeting will be reconvened. (Time of recess: 8:34 p.m.)
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
8:43 p.m. REGULAR MEETING RECONVENED: On motion by Mr. Doug-
lass, seconded by Mr. Grigonls, it was
RESOLVED, to reconvene the Regular Meeting of this board.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3100. Application for ROGER L.
MUNZ and VICTOR CATALANO, by Philip J. Cardinale, Esq., Main Road,
Drawer W, Jamesport, NY for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance,
Article VII, Sections 100-70 and 100'71, Article VIII, Sections
100-80 and 100-81 for permission to establish retail sales of boats
in a B-1 Zone. Location of Parcel: 13175 Main Road, Mattituck, NY;
County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-140-03-038.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8:44 o'clock p.m. and
read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal
application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of a sketch by Roderick Van
Tuyl, P.C. dated January 12, 1951 with several changes. It appears
a boat-showroom area 50' by 40' and an outside boat display area of
24' by 50' with a parking area of approximately 5500 square feet,
and a planting along the ~oad of approximately 6' by 45'. And I
have a copy of the Suffolk County Tax Map indicating this property
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(Appeal No. 3100 - ROGER L. MUNZ AND V. CATALANO, continued:)
MR. CHAIRMAN continued:
and the surrounding properties in the area. Is there anybody in the
audience that would like to take a look at the survey as we see it
prior to p~ceeding with this hearing? (Mr. Schaaf borrowed the
map.) I'll call on Mr. Cardinale, would you like to say something
in behalf of this application, sir?
PHILIP J. CARDINALE, ESQ.: Yes, just briefly. The proposal
as you have it in a sketch, probably speaks much more distinctly
than I would as far as what we would like to do. What we need the
board to consider is three th£ngs.
Under the statute, we need a use variance to provide a use
here which is permitted by C-1 but it's permitted in C but not
permitted in B-1. I note that B-i, the use presently existing
apparently requires a Special Exception as well even in a B-1 area--
that would be a gasoline station.
We appear as contract vendees. Mr. and Mrs. Moisa, the owners,
are here. We have a contract contingent upon obtaining this change
of use.
One of the factors I know you'll be looking at is the unneces2
sard'~hardship that might result to the contract vendees, as we stand
here essentially as agents of the present owners, who indicate that
it is very difficult to, if not impossible to, sell the premises as
they exist without an alteration of the use and as an indication of
that, they've had it on the market for some time and they have signed
a contract that is contingent-upon our obtaining this use. The factor
of unnecessary hardship being the difficulty in obtaining a reasonable
return if we used it as it presently exists.
The land is occupied now by a masonry back piece which would
remain approximately 50' by 40'. There is a piece around 60' by 40'
which I think most of you have all observed passing by Main Street
which is on the site which would be torn down and it would give a
great deal of course of ~rontyard space, which would be left open
with the exception of 24' by 50' area, which would be utilized as
outside display area for the boats. A large parking area 5500 square
feet with good access in and out is indicated on the plan and we of
course will have to convince the Planning Board. We were before them
on Monday night. As far as the traffic pattern, et cetera.
We're providing for a great deal of parking area in the front. We
will not store anything in the front 75' here as you can see indicated
on the plan. The buildings that present exist again going to this
aspect of unnecessary hardship, together with the lack of obtaining
a reasonable return in the present use, the buildings as present exist
are deteriorated and make use of them for any of the permitted pur-
poses is not economically feasible.
One of the quirks of your -- of the present situation I pointed
out just in passing is that in a B-1 District...we're in a B-1 by
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(Appeal No. 3100 - ROGER L. MUNZ AND V. CATALANO, continued:)
MR. CARDINALE continued:
Special Exception as a gasoline area, gasoline sales. In the B-1
area as I read the statute, you ~can~have retail stores, retail sales,
but you can't have retail sales of boats. That's reserved for the
Light Industrial C-1. This piece of property because of it~ configur-
ation, its narrowness, accessibility to the Main Road, the condition
of the structures on it, is uniquely appropriate for this use
particularly in view of the fact that it is within a stone's throw
of boat marinas. So it would be uniquely appropriate for this
particular use, and the use we're proposing is a retail use. It
is a retail use just as would be permitted except that it happens
to be the sale of boats which is required under the code to be in
a C-1 District.
Finally, the character of the neighborhood I wanted to address
myself to, the unnessary hardship, the uniqueness of this particular
hardship in the character of the neighborhood. The character of the
neighborhood I think, just a quick ru~down just to show that we're
not the first persons to have the idea that this would be a go6d
place to sell boats. Incidently, these will be sailboats.
There are a' number of boating establishments there now. The
rest of the area seems, is basically retail. Since we're in a
retail situation...we're simply selling a product that happens to
be the sale of boats...I think we would be in conformity with and
in harmony with and complimentary to the existing uses. Yes, Roger.
Mr. Munz spoke to Mr. Cardinale.
MR. CARDINALE: Yes, Roger (Munz) asked me to illustrate for
you a little bit about what kind of boats we're talking about. We're
talking abou~ sailboats. What's the approximate square footage --
big boats, little boats?
MR. MUNZ: ~ifteen to 204foot, eight-foot wide, the Catamarans.
MR. CARDINALE: Fifteen to twenty-foot boats and eight-foot wide
Catamarans. That's what he proposes to sell there. He would service
those boats he sold. Any storage of boats that went on of boats to be
sold would be in the back on your plan here. It would be in the back
portion away from the Main Road and we.do not propose...Supercat is
the distributorship, and the boats would be the size indicated. The
storage would all be in the back.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Cardinale, could we have one of those brochures?
Thank you.
(Mr. Cardinale submitted a brochure "Supercat" for the record.)
MR. CARDINALE: In regard to the use variance, I have nothing
further to say other than to indicate as I have, that unnecessary
hardship would result in this situation, I believe, for the reasons
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(Appeal No. 3100 - ROGER L. MUNZ AND V. CATALANO, continued:)
MR. CARDINALE continued:
stated; and it is a unique situation for the reasons stated. Finally
that the character of the neighborhood would not be injured by what
we're requesting.
The area variance is required because we're moving apparently
to a situation in which we need 40,000 square feet. Presently we
have 17,000--we've always 17,000 in change, and would have sade it
30 in the district we're already in so we are operating apparently
there undersized. The utilization of the space would not since we
will have no storage in the front would not adversely affect the
area. The den§ity would not be affected, it would be a business
that would be run only during the formal working hours, and essen-
tially I think it would be in conformity with what is going on there
now.
On the area variance aspect I just want to say that--and the
only other thing I would like to say on the Special Exception, be-
cause we're going to need that as well. Even if we were to get a
use variance for this C use, we w0uld s~ill need a Special Excep-
tion just as in the B-1 use we need a Special Exception which is
what we're presently permitted to do.
The Special Exception that we have now is just to operate a
gasoline dispensing -- I can give you the exact language-- service
or repair of motor vehicles. The use we're requesting would also
require a Special Exception but certainly the Special Exception
presently in use and a Special Exception request, it seems to me
that they would have no greater impact or worser impact upon the
community. In fact, if anything I think perhaps it would improve
the area.
So with those remarks, I'll take any questions.
MR. CHAIRMAN: While you're standing--it's my understanding that
there will at no time be any noxious uses of any flammable products
on this site, is that correct?
MR. CARDINALE: That's absolutely correct as far as I know. But
I cannot contemplate--as I uHderstand from Roger and'he can correct me,
he proposes to sell boats--he proposes to repair th~ boats he sells and
he will need, of course, the backspace for storage for the boats he is
going to sell. I don't know if he's going to have that for boat
storage. Do you think you'll have any uses for any noxious materials
for any purpose?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Other than cleaning fluid or something of that
nature.
MR. MUNZ: We do not anticipate nor are we looking for outboard
boats, motors rep'air. It would not be that. It's strictly sailboats;
catamarans do no~ lend themselves to outboard motors. I have currently
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(Appeal No. 3t00 - ROGER L. MUNZ AND V. CATALANO, continued:)
MR. MUNZ continued:
two franchises for Catamarans, that being one, and another company also
some Boston Whaler products but we're not looking for outboard motors
or outboard motor repair.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Munz. It is my understanding that
there will be no display forward of what you referred.to on this plan
as outside boat display area--is that correct? When I say forward of,
I mean into the parking area.
MR. MUNZ: Yes, that's the plan. There may be something situated
there if somebody pulled something in to work on or something, but it
would not be something that is to be permanently displayed there or
something that is asked to be put in there. I purposely tried to keep
it back, to keep it away from the road to leave the parking in front
realizing of course that it could, by having the cars there, could
effect the visibility of my product--but I think it's the only viable
way to utilize the property, having an in-and-out control of traffic
pattern so you don't back out on the Main Road. I think it would
satisfy everybody.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Are there presently storage tanks for the storage
of gasoline on this site?
MR. MUNZ: Yes, there are and we contemplate either removal or
tearing the tops off and filling them. Either one is acceptable to
the Health Department and I believe be acceptable to the Town when
I mentioned that to the Planning Board.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok. You show in the rear on the rlghthand side
of the survey a "proposed easement for rear access." Have you engaged
in that easement yet?
MR. CARDINALE: Yes. In fact Mr. Bruer represents Jim Nabors
the neighboring landowner who is here tonight. We have agreed--we met
Monday and today he is here with, actually the written agreement that
we're prepared to sign so that has been accomplished.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I then Rave only one other question. And I'll
save that until the latter part of this particular hearing and hope-
fully we'll be able to work it out together. Let's ask if anybody
else has anything to say in behalf of this application?
RUDOLPH H. BRUER, ESQ.: Mr. Chairman?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, sir.
MR. BRUER: Rudolph Bruer on behalf of Mr. Nabors. I'll just
point ou~ the agreement has hot been signed yet. It's agreed in
principal but it hasn't been executed yet.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Do you anticipate any problems with that, sir?
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(Appeal No. 3100 ROGER L. MUNZ AND V. CATALANO, continued:)
MR. BRUER: I don't know. Thank you.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else that would like to speak
in behalf of the application? Anybody like to speak against the
application? Mr. Scha~f?
DAVE SCHDLAP: My name is Dave Schaaf and my wife, Geraldine
Cohif6n Schaaf. George Coulton (?) is deceased. He talks of repair
now to these boats. What are we talking about--are we going to
fiberglass and sand, and such like that, which would contaminate the
air for where 1 live. I had one problem. I don't want another one,
in reference to health. And that's one objection that I do have.
If this is going to be done, it should be contained in some sort of
a room or a tent and (i~audible) and let him breathe his stuff or
go withou~ them or whatever. I don't want to breathe it if this is
going to be so.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Well let's ask the question. Mr. Munz?
MR. MUNZ: I would anticipate small fiberglass repair. I do
not undertake large repair jobs. If it was, I would turn it over
to somebody else on a subcontract basis. If a boat gets a small
area that needs to be repaired--what's a small area. It means a
little work on the bottom or if somebody had holed the hull by hit-
ting a stake or something like that. A small area. We're talking
an area, like this (showed a 1½' in diameter). Whether I believe--
I understand your concern. But I believe the area that we're talking
about an area that is so small that any amoun~ of sanding, noxious
or offensive odDrs would not in any way harm or adversely affect your
property or yourself. That would be done inside. But in nice weather
it would be done outside.
MR. SCHAAF: Would'~t be contained outside with a tent though?
MR. MUNZ: I can't say that it would be. But I don't feel
that working on an area of approximately this much size would--
MR. SCHAAF: Well, you count my objection right there. Ok. You
know what I feel abOut that.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok. Can I ask you, any further discourse-- could
you just cut it in the middle and address it to the board because this
is being taken electronically and my hand and it's a little difficult.
MR. SCHAAF: Ok.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Anything else on that, Mr. Schaaf?
MR. SCHAAF: Not on this one. On the next hearing.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Anybody else like to speak against this application?
Any further questions from you gentlemen? (None) Mr. Munz, anything
else? Any questions from board members? (None. That leaves me to
~outhold Town Board o~-kppeals -24- April 20, 1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3100 - ROGER L. MUNZ AND ~. CATALANO, continued:)
MR. CHAIRMAN continued:
one final question, and that is of course that we did set up this hear-
ing, Mr. Cardinale, bearing in mind that we were going to have Planning
Board approval. Now, you had a preliminary meeting with the Planning
Board the other night. What did they tell you?
MR. CARDINALE: They indicated that they were pleased with the
plan because of the lack of structure in the front and the lack of
backing out--in and out aspect. They also indicated that they wanted
to take a look and schedule it for a physical inspection. We indicated
to them that we wOuld appreciate and I would expect their getting back
to us with some speed because of the seasonal aspect Of this business
we would like to get started as soon as possible. They' indicated they
would contact us' and indicate that we could go ahead and prepare a
proper plan as opposed to the sketch plan here. I could only--two
members of the board indicated that they felt that the use requested
and the manner in which it was set up would be ~ondusive to the area
and would be granted. It is our impression it will be granted. We
won't know. The first indication we'll get is they will notify us --
I expect within the next 10 days to go ahead witha more complete plan.
Once they indicate that I expect that we'll be working out the details
instead of working about the concept. The concept seems acceptable.
They'll be scheduling a site inspection and then they'll be giving us
the ok presumably to go forward with a more involved plan.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok, this is where the problem lies, gentlemen.
If I sought to recess this hearing until the 19th of May, is that
timeliness difficult for you?
MR. CARDINALE: You need Planning Board approval before you can
act?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Well, there's basically a problem here and that
is the fact that if the Planning Board intends to change anything on
this particular plan, and once we close our hearing, we would assume
that within the 60-day period we're going to have to make a decision.
And any changes the Planning Board sought to make may affect this
particular decision. And that's a problem. What do you suggest we
do?
MR. CARDIN~LE: If we could have a minute--
MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Schaaf, do you understand what I asked these
gentlemen?
MR. SCHAAF: Not fully.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok. Is there anything you would like to ask
me or the board about concerning this?
MR. SCHAAF: Is this on Appeal No. 31017
MR. CHAIRMAN: No, it isn't.
Southold Town Board of Appeals -25- April 20, 1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3100 - ROGER L. MUNZ AND V. CATALANO, continued:)
MR. CARDINALE: Roger was there Monday night. I was there.
He has indicated that if possible that we could submit this plan
and we'll take our chances %hat the Planning Board will accept
the concept of this plan, so that you can consider this plan as
the proposal. If we have to change it, it is his understanding
and my understanding that we have to resubmit essentially and it
would delay us. But in either event we're going to be delayed.
It's his impression as it was mine that this plan will be approved-
will substantially be approved so~- they were asking the same
question about the easement, et cetera, and that is going to be
worked out. So I would ask that you consider this plan and act
upon it, and if we have to come back to you and resubmit, we'll
just have to do that.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Gentlemen, can I get a motion from you so that
the hearing can be closed subject to two things?
MEMBER GRIGONIS: I'll offer that.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ail right, I'll make a motion closing this
hearing subject to two things, and that is, favorable response
from the Planning Board concerning this particular application,
or response from the Planning Board; and secondly, a legal ease-
ment in the rear of the property indicated as 15'
MR. MUNZ: Sir, may I just back up a minute and point something
out? There is on the west side of the property a 10' right-of-way
which affords vehicular traffic to come through, certainly enough to
get what I have going in and out. It has not been used, however,
Mr. Dohm, who is the neighbor there indicated, "If you need that, go
right ahead. I realize that's your property there." Because these
boats are eight-foot wide you have them on a trailer...you're towing
them behind a car; I-felt for safety reasons that 15' would be much
better. It wouldn't be as tight running along the side of the build-
ing and whatnot, so I set up this arrangement where we would have
more room. I don't think I'm necessarily objecting to your saying
that the 15' easement has to be arranged, but I just want to point
out for your information that we do have suitable access going down
on the west side and it will provide us the ability to get in and
out of the back of the property. However, I'm doing it as a con-
tingency basis to make it easier for myself and anybody else who
might be coming back there.
MR. CHAIRMAN: It's been--I just wanted to say, Mr.. Munz, and
further reaffirm what I just said, but the reason why this board is
so--feels that that 15' is so important is mainly for fire access.
MR. MUNZ: Ok.
MR. CHAIRMAN: At this particular point. That's my opinion,
that's not the board's opinion. I'll go with that motion gentlemen.
MEMBER GRIGONIS: Second.
~ Southold Town Board oYJAppeals -26-
April 20,~-/t983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3100 - ROGER L. MUNZ AND V. CATALANO, continued:)
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearinq and reserve decision, pending
receipt of the following two items: (1) response from the Planning
Board and (2) legal easement for the rear access as shown on the
1/12/51 plan.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
After the hearing, Philip Cardinale, Esq. informed the b~ard
that there would be a 7½-year mutual license to the use 15' easement
and storage area in the rear with the abutting property owner.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3101. Application for ROGER L.
MUNZ and VICTOR CATALANO, by Philip J. Cardinale, Esq., Main Road,
Drawer W, Jamesport, NY for a Special Exception to the Zoning-Ordi-
nance, Article VIII, Section 100-80(B) [14] & [15] for permission
to utilize premises for boat sales on the premises in question zoned
B-1 General Business, which use is permitted in a C-Industrial
District by Special Exception. Location of Property: 13175 Main
Road, Mattituck, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-140-03-038.
The Chairman opened the hearing at approximately 9:10 o'clock
p.m. and read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appli~
cation.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I have the same sketch dated January 12, 1951
with the~'P~ncilled-in areas that I mentioned before; and I have a
copy of the Suffolk County Tax Map indicating this property and the
surrounding properties in the area. Mr. Cardinale.
PHILIP J. CARDINALE, ESQ.: Yes, I just wanted to refer you to
my earlier remarks (see Appeal No. 3100 prior to this hearing) where
I indicated that apparently presently in the B-1 Zone we needed a
Special Exception to run it as a gasoline station and repair facility.
'If ~e move into a "C" use we will need this Special Exception which
seems to me to be if anything in greater conformity with the retail
area in which it operates, remembering that we're seeking a retail
use that happens to be excluded from the B-1 area. And the only
other note that I would make is that the requirement as I understand
it for approval required that it be a reasonable basis for the
approval and that such approval be at harmony with the act--that is
the promotion of the health, safety and welfare of the community.
Certainly, on what I had indicated earlier, there is a reason-
able basis for granting a Special Exception and I believe it would
be in harmony with the act and in the best interests of the community.
~outhold Town Board o~kppeals -27-
April 20, 1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3101 - ROGER L. MUNZ and V. CATf~LANO, continued:)
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. ts there anybody else that would like
to speak in behalf of this application? Anyone to speak against the
application--Mr. Schaaf?
MR. SCHAAF: This parcel of property I understand is owned by
the Mattituck Park District which is right adjacent to my land. Now
that little piece of property is used for a drain/runoff for the
parking lot, and underneath there they have a dry well, whatever you
want to call it. I feel the continued use back there would probably
do some damage to that dry well and I'll be back to my water problem...
which is a continuing problem anyway with that there. This is not
going to improve it, that's for sure.
MR. CHAIRMAN: This is the same piece of property, Mr. Schaaf.
We're just dealing with a Special Exception.
MR. SCHAAF: I know you are.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok. Go aheah.
MR. SCHAAF: You were talking about the piece of property that
is actually attached to the parking lot.
MR. CHAIRMAN: No. I'm talking about the exact same piece of
property as the nature of the other hearing, except that we're just
talking about a Special Exception.
MR. SCHAAF: Yeah, the Special Exception you're talking about
is the Mattituck Park District property.
MR. CHAIRMAN: No. It's the nature of the same application.
MR. SCHAAF: I don't understand it.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Would you come on up and we'll show you?
MR. MUNZ: It's the same piece of property, here. We're not
talking about anything different than what you just looked at.
This is the Mattituck Park District over here.
MR. SCHAAF: Oh, ok.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Did you have any objection to this one, Mr. Schaaf?
MR. SCHA3~F: No, not that.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else that would like to speak
against this ~pplication? Any questions from an~ board members? (None)
Ok, I'll make a similar motion closing the hearing and reserving deci-
sion subject to Planning Board.
MEMBER GRIGONIS: Second.
'Southold Town Board o~Appeals
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April 2~0~, 1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3101 - ROGER L. MUNZ and V. CATALANO, continued:)
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearing and reserve decision'in the
matter of Appeal No. 3101, subject to receipt of comments or approval
from the Southold Town planning Board.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
PUBLIC HEARING3£ Appeal No. 3098. Application of HENRY JOHN
PAVEAK, 3505 Grand Avenue, Mattituck, NY for a Variance to the Zoning
Ordinance, Article III, Section 100~32 for permission to construct
accessory garage structure in the sideyard area. Location of
Property: 3505 Grand Avenue, Mattituck, NY; County Tax Map Parcel
No. 1000-107-01-005.
'Th~ Chairman opened the hearing at 9:15 o'clock p.m. and
read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal
application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of a sketCh showing the proposed
structure 22' by.32'~ and approximately 10' from the rear property
line. I also have a copy of the County Tax Map showing this property
and the properties in the surrounding area. Mrs. Pavlak, would you
like to be heard?
MRS. PAVLAK: I think the application speaks for itself.
MR. CHAIRMAN: When we were down to your house last Saturday,
your husband mentioned that you may be moving this 15' from what
I'll refer to as the rear property line. Is there any truth to
that or are you still going along with this application?
MRS. PAVLAK: Well, does it make a difference whether it's 10'
or 15' from the back property line? I understand the gentleman said
that as long as it Was not"in front of the house line itself, it
would be ok. Now it could be either 10 or 15 feet. Would you
prefer it to be 10 feet?
MR. CHAIRMAN: It really doesn't make any difference at this
particular point.
MRS. PAVLAK: Well we have i~t set up for 10 feet right now,
and my husband said it could vary by two or three feet if it didn't
make any difference to the board.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Lessard, would you have a problem with that?
MR. LESSARD: No, I don't really.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok, no further than 15 and no closer than 10.
MR. LESSARD: As long as it stays in the sideyard and doesn't
'Southold Town Board o~-~ppeals -29- April 20, 1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3098 - HENRY JOHN PAVLAK, continued:)
MR. LESSARD continued:
go out into the front yard.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Did you do, Mrs. Pavlak, any courses and distances
from the house, how far this wOuld be?
MRS. PAVLAK: No, we haven't. It just on the other side of the
driveway.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Could you possibly give us that information--
call our secretary some time in the very near future?
MRS. PAVLAK: How far from the house on the other side of the
driveway.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Right.
MRS. PAVLAK: Now we have a variance going through there--do you
have it on the map? And we have to keep that garage from a certain
distance from that variance on the lot on the far side.
MR. CHAIRMAN: It's just that it is very difficult to write the
decision and the findings, assuming the board grants this application,
without knowing exactly where it is supposed to be placed on the
property. Ok?
MRS. PAVLAK: Oh, all right. Ail you need is the width--the
distance from the house and where the garage would be set?
MR. CHAIRMAN: That's correct. From the front of the house across,
or from the newest addition that you have on there. Ok?
MRS.-PAVLAK: Ok. Fine.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else to be heard in behalf of
this application? Anybody like to speak against the application?
Any questions from any board members? (None) Hearing no further
questions, I'll make a motion closing the hearing and reserving deci-
sion until later.
MEMBER GRIGONIS: Second.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearinq and reserve decision until later
in the matter of the application of HENRY JOHN PAVLAK, Appeal No.
3098.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
'Southold Town Board o~JAppeals -30- April 20, 1983 Regular Meeting
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No~ 3102. Application for JOHN F. and
MARY McFEELY, by Gandia Associates, ~nc., 19 Brookfield Road, North-
port, NY for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Sec-
tions 100-31 and 100-32 for permission to locate dwelling with an
insufficient sideyard setback from the east side line, and establishing
frontyard location of existing garage structure. Location of Property:
South Side of Peconic Bay Boulevard, Laurel, NY; County Tax Map Parcel
No. 1000-128-02-009.1.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 9:21 o'clock p.m. and
read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal
application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of the survey prepared on March 11,
1983 indicating an irregularly 58'8" by 56' proposed dwelling and an
existing framed garage of 12.2' by 20.1'; and I have a copy of the
Suffolk County Tax Map indicating this property and the surrounding
properties in the area. Would somebody like to be heard in behalf of
this application? Sir.
JOHN McFEELY: I'm John McFeely. We have a large family, six
children, five teenagers, that's why after looking at hundreds of
plans this is the house that seems suited best. We hope some day
to retire out here. The house is, we thOught, beautiful and it would
enhance the neighborhood. The existing houses that are out there are
no further set back and most of them closer on either side. I have
firstly spoken to Mr. Rosansky, my neighbor to the east and Mr.
Delaney to the west, and discussed it with them and they both agreed
that it would be all right. Mr. Rosan~ky's initial objection was
he'd like it moved over to the other side. They compromised the 2½
feet movement west from where it is situated there, and it will be
12½ feet from each boundary line. We've looked at many, many houses
and could not find something where we cOuld get five bedrooms for
the children, but we'd like to live in the house we've come up with.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you familiar, Mr. McFeely, with the request
from--it's not a neighboring owner, but a lady down the street-- a
Mrs. Coulter, who has sent us a letter by Special Delivery indicating
that she was unable to appear at this hearing and she would like us
to recess the hearing until such time that she coul~--
MR. McFEELY: I became aware of that today...My agent/general
contractor, Mr. Gandia. Where does she live? I'm not familiar
with her name.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I would assume that she lives approximately five
to six parcels down to the east. When we were down inspecting as
late as yesterday taking another picture of the garage, which we did
not get a good picture of when we were out on Saturday, and I did
see a name sign on the road approximately five to six parcels down
to the east.
MR. McFEELY: I became aware of that today. I thought we went
through all the proper procedures. I thought everything was filed
in time, and we have been wai~ing a long time to do it. I've owned
~Southold Town Board o~Appeals
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April 2b~ 1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3102 - JOHN F. AND MARY McFEEL~, continued:)
MR. McFEELY continued:
the parcel approximately five years and finally became prepared to build.
I think it's a little unreasonable. It seems to me self-evident what I
want to do. I Would hope that it wouldn't have to be put off a month
if someone six to eight parcels away wanted to take a look at it.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Well, let me say this--are you familiar with her
letter? (The Chairman read Mrs. COulter's letter dated April 18, 1983):
Gentlemen... I and my neighbors, property owners on Peconic Bay
Boulevard, in the immediate vicinity of the above mentioned premises,
have just learned of the application for a variance before the Board of
Zoning Appeals to be held on Wednesday, April 20, 1983.
Due to such short notice, we have been unable to retain an attorney
to represent us at the hearing, and we respectfully request that the
hearing in its entirety be adjourned at the pleasure of the board and
we will at that time have an attorney present to represent us.
Yours very truly,
/s/ Mrs. Frederick Coulter...
MR. CHAIRMAN continued: It is my understanding that wSen We do receive
these-- and I have not discussed this with the board because I had not
seen the board since receiving this the other day -- I doubt seriously
if we are going to close this hearing. But I will discuss it with the
board in one second. Sir?
FREDERICK COULTER: My name is Frederick Coulter, and I think
we've mixed up the parcels. In other words, we thought you were
closer; we're further east down Peconic Bay Boulevard.
MR. McFEELY: Now you are adjacent tO and west of Rosansky?
MR. COULTER: That's the parcel you're talking about. Then I
retract that letter.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok, is there anybody else that would like to
speak in behalf of this application? Anybody wishing to speak against
the application? (No one) Hearing no further comment -- it ms my
understanding, Mr. McFeely, that this would be a one-family dwelling?
MR. McFEELY: That's right.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Hearing no further comments, I'll make a motion
closing the hearing and reserving decision until later.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: Second.
~Southold Town Board o~IAppeals -32-
April 2b-~ 1983 R~gular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3102 - JOHN F. AND MARY McFEELY, Continued:)
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hea.r, ing and reserve decision until later
in the matter of the application of. JOHN F. and MARY McFEELY, Appeal
No. 3102.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3104. Application of ANNE POLASHOCK,
570 Third Street, New Suffolk, NY for a Variance to the Zoning Ordi-
nance, Article III, Section 100-31 for permission to replace and
increase size of existing porch. Existing and proposed construction
will exceed 20~ of lot coverage. Location of Property: East Side of
Third Street, New Suffolk, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-117-
09-021.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 9:29 o'clock p.m. and
read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal
application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of a survey dated November 1, 1956
indicating a 52.50' by 102.0' parcel with existing and proposed
construction; and we also have a copy of the Suffolk County Tax Map
indicating this property and the surrounding properties in the area.
Would you like to be heard in behalf of this application, sir?
MR. POLASHOCK. We've done three sides of the house; we've
reshingled them and weather,proofed everything. ~hen we get to the
back, there is so much rot there that we thought the only way to fix
it would be to tear it down, a~d in the process while we were build-
ing, we would like to extend it two feet to the west, and continue
24' across the back of the house. Because right now the way we are
now, you get an east wind like we~e had the past month or more, its
blowing cold and wet all through that place.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I would assume the addition from what I can read
here is 9' by 24', Mr. Polashock?
MR. POLASHOCE: I believe so. I don't have anything with me.
Can I look at that?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Sure.
MR. POLASHOCE: That's correct, yes.
MR. CHAIRMAN: And the nature of this will be an open porch or
a heated porch?
MR. POLASHOCK: Enclosed porch.
'Southold Town Board of-Appeals
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April 207 1983 R~gular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3104 ANNE POLASHOCK, continued:)
MR. CHAIRMAN: And added to the house. Ok, let's see if there
is anybody Else that would like to be heard. Is there anybody else
that would like to be heard in behalf of this application? (No one.)
Is there anyone that would like to speak against the application?
MR. POLASHOCK:
one of my neighbors.
ing his place done.
As a matter of fact, I have a letter here from
He's just moving in from Brooklyn. He is hav-
I guess you saw. that when you were down there?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, on the south side.
MR. POLASHOCK: Yes.
Mr. Polashock submitted for the record a letter from Mr. Richard
Sullivan indicating he has no objection to this proposed plan to
enlarge their porch.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok. Thank you. Anyone else, any questions from
any board members? (None) H~aring no further questions, I'll make
a motion granting this application as applied for.
By this appeal, applicant seeks permission to enlarge the exist-
porch, which would be set back from the southerly side property line
approximately 15' and which enlargement would be in line with the
rear line of the dwelling, approximately 48' from ~he rear property
line. The area of new construction or addition is a two-foot by 24
foot section for an enclosed porch. It is the opinion of the board
that applicant's request is minimal and reasonable under the circum-
stances.
In considering this appeal, the board determines that the variance
request is not substantial in relation to the requirements of the zon-
ing code; that the circumstances are unique; that by allowing the
variance no substantial detriment to adjoining properties will be
created; that the difficulty cannot be obviated by a method feasible
for appellant other than a variance; that the relief requested will
be in harmony with and promote the general purposes of zoning; and
in view of the manner in which the difficulty arose and in considera-
tion of all the above factors, the interest of justice will be served
by allowing the variance as indicated below.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it was
RESOLVED, that Appeal No. 3104, application of ANNE POLASHOCK
for permission to replace and increase s~ze of existing porch, BE
AND HEREBY IS APPROVED AS APPLIED FOR.
Location of Property: East Side of Third Street, New Suffolk, NY;
County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-117-09-021.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
· Southold Town Board oY~Appeals -34- April ~, 1983 Regular Meeting
RECESSED PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3094. Application of NORTH
FORK BAPTIST CHURCH, C.R~ 48, Mattituck, NY (by Gerry~L. Horton) for a
Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31 for
approval of lot having insufficient area and frontage along Westphalia
Road. Location of Entire Premises: C.R. 48 and Westphalia Road,
Mattituck, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-121-02-021.1.
The Chairman reconvened the hearing at 9:33 p.m.
This hearing was recessed from the last Regular Meeting of the
Board, to wit, March 23, 1983.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone here wishing to speak for this
application?
MR. GERRY HORTON: It speaks for itself.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Would anybody else like to speak in favor of this
application?
MRS. ROSENFELD: Which application is it.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I apologize. North Fork Baptist Church.
MRS. ROSENFELD: I would like to speak.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Surely. W~uld you like to look at the map?
MRS. ROSENFELD: Yes, I would. Everything that I said at the
last hearing I reaffirm and I have several other-things I would like
to say. There are many uses that that property could be used--
tennis courts for the family, for the church; gardening plots for
their children. There's lots of uses they could make of that land.
It's a new--it isn't an old house that has been in existence for a
long time. This is new property. We have acre zoning and I think
we should stick to acre zoning. And it is my understanding there
are to be two acre lots sold to the west, is that right? This is
my property here on the corner, and I understand that there would
be two acre lots to be sold here. Is that true?
MR. CHAIRMAN: I have no knowledge of that. We're only dealing
with this particular application right now, Mrs. Rosenfeld.
MRS. ROSENFELD: Oh, I see. Ok.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else that would like to speak
against this particular application? (No one) Any questions from
any board members? (None) (The Chairman showed Mr. Doyen the new
survey recently received.) Hearing no further comments, I'll make
a motion closing the hearing and reserving decision until later.
MEMBER GRIGONIS: Second.
'Southold Town Board or'Appeals -35-
April 2~0~, 1983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3094 - NORTH FORK BAPTIST CHURCH, continued:)
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, to close the he.ar.ing and reserve decision until later
in the matter of the application of NORTH FORK BAPTIST CHURCH, Appeal
No. 3094.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
Mrs. Rosenfeld asked after the close of the hearing whether she
would be notified of the board's decision. The Chairman suggested
that Mrs. Rosenfeld call our office within the next two weeks or so
to find out the status of the pending decision.
TEMPORARY RECESS: On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr.
Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, to recess for approximately three minutes.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
The meeting recessed at 9:37 p.m.
RECO~VENE REGULAR MEETING: At 9:50 p.m., the Regular Meeting
was reconvened.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, to reconvenetheRegular Meeting of this board at this
time (9:50 p.m.).
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
'Southold Town Board o~ Appeals
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April 20, 1983 Regular Meeting
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2956. Application for PARKSIDE
HEIGHTS CO., by David Eo K~pell as agent, 400 Front Street, Green-
port, NY for a Special Exception to the Zoning Odinance, Article V,
Section 100-50 to construct 18 dwellin'g units in two buildings
with accessory garage on premises zoned "M-1 General Multiple" and
located on a private rmght-of-way off the west side of Shipyard
Lane, East Marion, NY; Minor Subdivision of E. Kontokosta, Subdi-
vision Lot 3, Map No. 171; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1Q00-038-
07-004.2.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 9:50 o'clock p.m. and
read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal
application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of a sit~ plan dated January 15,
1982 indicating the placement of these two buildings incorporating
the units and which is the nature of this application, and a copy
of the Suffolk County Tax Map indicating this property and the
surrounding properties in the area. Mr. Kapell, would you like to
be heard in behalf of this application?
DAVID E. KAPELL: David Kapell on behalf of Parkside Heights.
We have an application before you to construct -- for a Special
Use Permit to construct 18 condominium units in the M-1 Zone. This
project is contiguous with an existing condominium development
similar to the 9.~e proposed, and it also is adjacent to an existing
condominium ownership on the west. We feel that the use is appro-
priate for this property in question, and we have an approved site
plan for 19 units, which we have r~duced further to 18 units so
that the buildings would be symmetrical. We have D.E.C. approval.
We have Health Department approval, and all we need is yours.
Barring questionS, that's really all I have to say. The applica-
tion speaks for itself, and I'd be glad to answe'r any questions.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok, thank you. Is there anybody else that
would like to be heard in behalf of this application. Anybody like
to speak against the application? (No one.) Any questions from
any board members? (None) I will add for the record, the board
has been down to the site many times, Mr. Kapell, based upon the
other project to the east of this one, and we've been down at least
two times for this particular project. We are aware of your D.E.C.
permit. We are aware of your Health Department approval, and we
have no other further questions of you. So I'll make a motion
closing the hearing and reserving decision-~until later.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: Second.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it was
RESOLVED, to close .the h.earing and reserve decision until later
in the matter of the application of PARKSIDE HEIGHTS CO., Appeal
No. 2956.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
$outhold Town Board old-Appeals -37- April 20,~,_~83 Regular Meeting
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3099. Application for DOROTHY
REISE (Owner), and RIAL REALTY CORP. (Contract Vendee), by Rudolph H.
Bruer, Esq., Main Road, Southold, NY for a Variance to the Zoning
Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30(A) and ~B) for permission to
construct garage and tennis court with fencing, for principal use on
this vacant parcel. Location of Property: 675 Private Road No. 18A
(East Hyatt Road), Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1G00-
50-03-009.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 9:55 o'clock p.m. and
read the legal notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal
application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of a survey dated April 2, 1971
showing the 30,571 square-foot parcel in question, and a copy of
the tax map showing this property and the surrounding property in
the area. I would add that there is a letter in the file which we
received from Mr. Rudolph H. Bruer:
...April 19, 1983...
Dear Sirs:
The above application is presently scheduled for public hearing
at your regular meeting on April 20, 1983. Our client, the president
of RIAL Realty Corp., after making every effort, finds it will be
impossible for him to attend this public hearing in person. On my
client's behalf~ I hereby respectfully request an adjournment of this
hearing to the date of your mid-May meeting.
Your cooperation in this matter is greatly appreciated.
/s/ Rudolph H. Bruer ....
We also have a letter of objection from Catherine Garcia and Renee Sileo
in the file. Mr. Bruer, would you like to be heard in behalf of this
application?
RUDOLPH H. BRUER, ESQ.: Mr. Chairman and Members of the Board, I
believe my letter of the 18th pretty much speaks for itself. I would
like the opportunity to request a postponement of this meeting until
the next regularly scheduled meeting of the Zoning Board of Appeals, at
which time with Mr. Capor~ who is the President of RIAL Realty Corp.--
we will present our argument why we think this application should be
granted. Mr. Caponeis presently out of the country at this time. I
apologize to all the people who are here and who have not gotten notice.
I wasn't able to give them notification of my request. It happened
late last week and it was unavoidable. I believe Mr. Capone should be
able to have a voice in this application and I would request that the
adjournment be granted please.
MR. CHAIRMAN: You are aware, Mr. Bruer, of the nature or the
performance in the way we deal with this. There are people here tonight
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April 20, '£983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3099 - DOROTHY REISE/RIAL REALTY CORP., continued:)
MR. CHAIRMAN continued:
which I will ask them, if they are u~able to make the May 19th meeting;
I'll ask them if they have co~u~ents concerning this application right
now. And I'll take those comments if it is all right with you.
MR. BRUER: I have no problem with that at all.
ANTHONY TOHILL, ESQ.: May I be heard, Mr. Chairman?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Certainly.
MR. TOHILL: Anthony Tohill. I'm an attorney at ~ East Main
Street, Riverhead, New York. I'm here on behalf of the following
households: Aldee, Crest, Garcia, Sileo, Bangert, Dreuger, Winter,
Kidirka, Lewis, Harnon and Moss. There are approximately 17 people
who are here this evening, six or seven of them are from New York.
One of them is a doctor who canceled all of her patient appointments.
Others have changed their plans and candidly I appreciate the cour-
tesy that normally prevails under circumstances of this type, but I
don't think that if Moses were in Europe Mr. Bruer could win the
application in May or June or July or September. And under those
circumstances, I wonder if inquiries have been made as to what
testimony Mr. Bruer intends to illicit from Mr. Capo~ and toward
what end. In view of the rather restricted specific testimony that
would be needed on an application at this time, ~nd I would ask the
board not to elicit from these people any testimony under the cir-
cumstances until that's done, and then I'm not sure candidly that
as to the clients that I represent, the households that I represent,
that ~ would want people testifying and getting things out of order.
The burden of proof remains on their side. I might add that candidly,
even if there is a courtesy that prevails, when you have this number
of people here and when you have such an uhusual application as is
being made here this evening, it's not your ru~-of-the-mill area
variance for sure. It's not a typical interpretation. It's a ons-
of-a-kind type of case that, given the significance of all of that
and the specificity of all that, that whoever the applicant is, that
applicant should have been here.
That applicant by the way isn't necessarily the contract vendee
of this parcel of land but instead more appropriately it might be
said to be Mrs. Reise, who is an owner of this land for approximately
20 years...more than 20 years; and therefore Mrs. Reise should be here
Her absence hasn't been explained. I wonder if the board would con-
sider making the inquiry that I've suggested of Mr. Bruer to proceed
in that fashion.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Gentlemen? Could we just cover this problem in
one second, sir, and I'll be right with you. Mr. Bruer, c~uld you
reflect upon some of the ~nquisitiveness of Mr. Tohill?
MR. BRUER: Yes, but first I'd like to point out that the appli-
cation as being made to this board and. not to the audience here tonight,
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(Appeal No. 3099 - DOROTHY REISE/RIAL REALTY CORP., continued: )
MR. BRUER continued:
and not to Mr. Tohill's clients. With respect to my client, Mr. Capone,
he is RIAL Realty Corporation. He is the individual who in actuality
is going to purchase this property if this variance is granted. It is
he who is going to construct the tennis court and the garage. Mr.
Capone is an architect. I believe at this hearing that he would show
up at, he would be able to answer the questions that the board will
have with respect to the property, and what he is going to do in an
architectural sense and an artist sense, and very hopefully answer
the questions of the people who are sitting here. I know they have
many questions with respect to it in connection with this, as they
sit here now view their objections. I am hoping that with Mr. Capone
present he could alleviate their fears with respect to this applica-
tion and what he intends to do with it. There are certain questions
that the board I believe will have with respect to this application
that I presently cannot answer. And the only person that could
answer them would be Mr. Capone.
It would seem to me that if Moses was alive and around and
couldn't be here, I'm sure the board would postpone the hearing
on his behalf for the next meeting.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Bruer. Just let this gentleman
speak, Mr. Tohill, please. Sir, could I have your name?
MR.
: Walkman (not clear).
MR. TOHILL: Who did you want to speak first~-you want me to?
MR. BITSES: (Nodded affirmatively.)
MR. TOHILL: I don't want to go into a detailed analysis of
how my clients intend Zo oppose the application, but if Mr. Capone
intends to come in and testify an artistry, candidly I don't know
why you have to wait until May. This is a Zoning Board of Appeals.
We are all bound by the rules as Mr. Bruer knows and that I know
and I'm not talking about the rules of courtesy which are not common
but the substantive rules that Anderson and Rathkoff, people of that
type write about and artistry isn't one of the areas that I think
the board is going to have an interest in, when and if the hearing
occurs. I renew my suggestion that in view of the fact that the
people are here in substantial numbers and in view of the fact that
a number of them have driven, approximately six or seven, from New
York City this evening in order to be here that the application be
heard on its merits.
MR. BRUER: Just one further point with respect to that-- under
the present rules of this town, even if this hearing went on and it
was denied tonight, we would have a right to come on for the next
hearing and re-present our argument again, and also if I withdraw
the application right here, I would have the right to make the
application again and either be the May or the June meeting. Ail
~outhold Town Board of'~ppeals
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April 20, ~1~983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3099 - DOROTHY REISE/RIAL REALTY CORP., continued:)
MR. BRUER continued:
we're doing is really postponing this one month rather than, say two
months.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Sir?
JAMES BITSES, ESQ.: Even though Mr. Capone is not here, his
application is before you and I submit to you that, examining the
application we have reason to believe that there are quite a few
anomalous statements in the said application which can be profit-
ably attacked tonight, and which we request the opportunity to
attack tonight, particularly not just in the application itself
showing of uniqueness, et cetera, but the environmental impact
statement is full of anomalies which could be profitably attacked
tonight. I 'therefore request that since there is a large turnout
and since there is a very great interest in that area concerning
this application, that we be allowe~ to proceed on the basis of the
application that is before this board, to raise our objections and
point ou~ the anomalies that we have noted therein. Thank you, sir.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. I think what's in order at this
particular time is for this board to caucus to see if we intend
to grant Mr. Bruer what he refers to as an adjourr~ent~-we're going
to refer to it as a recess. And the only thing that I am aware of,
Mr. Tohill, is the fact that what I did say is and u~derstand what
you're saying, and Mr. Bitses, concerning the testimony with your
clients, what I am basically interested however is the inconvenience
for those people that did drive that far. I understand that some
of the testimony that they may give us may not be as privy because
it may not be in context...but I am very interested in the fact
that-= I am aware, for all intensive purposes, that they did come
this far. I will however say one other thing, that the recess that
Mr. Bruer is asking for is in order. It was not done at the last
minute. It was done by letter and we are aware of these things and
these things do exist, and unfortunately there is not much we can
do about them.
MR. TOHILL: If the board is going ~o grant the application
for the recess, then one thing I would want from the board would be
the right to have the meeting not only go through May but at the
objectants' option assuming it closes in May as to the applicant,
that the objectants have the right to put in further matter in
June, and the reason is that I may not be able to have people that
are here this evening here in May, and further I think I would
have intended candidly to do that if the case were presented in
a certain way in any event. However, once I oppose this applica-
tion tonight for a recess and then you grant that, then he'll
oppose my application in May for a recess when I want to go until
June in order to bring in somebody who is a witness ~n response to
what he is doing. So we want it built in to any approval of his
application, my option-right in behalf of my clients to go into
the June Meeting.
~outhold Town Board of~kppeals -41- April 20,-t983 Regular Meeting
(Appeal No. 3099 - DOROTHY REISEJRIAL REALTY CORP., continued:)
MR. CHAIRMAN: Could I just reflect upon that, Mr. Bitses for
one second--
MR. BITSES: I understand this i~ the first time it,s on-- I
would not object to the adjournments providing that both sides that
~he~.matter be marked preemptorily against bot~ sides; and if Mr.
Capone does not appear at the next occasion, that his application
be rejected out of hand. In fact it's only fair that both sides, it
should be marked preemptorily against both sides. And failure of
either one or the other side to appear, the petition will either be
accepted or denied in its entirety.
MR. TOHILL: I wouldn't want it marked preemptorily against
the seven people who are here including myself. I don't want it
marked preemptorily against my clients or against me. I'm here; I'm
ready to proceed. My clients are here; we,re ready to proceed. If
we were able to proceed, there ~is~ chance I ¥ould have asked to go
into the May Meeting in order to rebut the matter. I don't know what
he's willing to produce in the way of testimony That's why I said
before about Moses because I'm not sure what'he~s going to do. So I
don't want to be prejudiced if I ask to go to June.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Would you just stay there one second, Mr. Tohill--
MR. BITSES: Can we get a commitment from Mr. Bruer that he
will be here with his client on the next occasion?
MR. BRUER: Barring any unforeseen problem, w~'ll be here.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Mr. Tohill, I just-- can I say one
thing, Mr. Bitses, before -- Mr. Tohill, it has not been the nature
of this particular board to grant two recesses, ok, which is basically
what you're looking for--a multiple recess. However, we will
entertain that option when we caucus in approximately 30 seconds and
we'll come back and give you our determination at that time.
MR. BITSES: I move this board for a directive ordering the
applicant to appear preemptOrily on the next date of appearance.
I ask for a motion to this board--
MR. CHAIRMAN: I'll make a motion going into closed session,
temporarily, for the purpose of dealing with this issue.
MEMBER GRIGONIS: Second.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Grigonls, it was
RESOLVED, to recess temporarily for "closed session" concern-
ing the above matter of DOROTHY REISE/RIAL REALTY CORP., Appeal No.
3099.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
~outhold Town Board o~ppeals -42- April 20,~'~983 Regular Meeting
(APpeal No. 3099 - DOROTHY REISE/RIAL REALTY CORP., continued:)
HEARING RECONVENED: On motion by MK. Grigonis, seconded by
Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, to reconvene the public hearing of Appeal No. 3099,
application for DOROTHY REISE/RIAL Realty Corp., and the Regular
Meeting of this board.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
The public hearing was reconvened at 10:20 p.m.
MR. CHAIRMAN: It has been the nature of this board also to
never shut anybody out, and to continue wha~e~er type of discussion
is generally unique to any hearing. And I therefore had discussed
with the board members that possibility of a recess tonight, and
they have agreed to grant Mr. Bruer his recess. They have also
agreed to take into consideration, Mr. Tohill, your thoughts and
recommendations toward a further .recess if it need be. As for your
statement, Mr. Bitses...I can't force anybody to be here, ok? But
I will assure you that we will go with this application on May 19th,
bearing some severe weather conditions or whatever the case might be,
and I will at this particular time ask anybody who might not be in
the group of persons named by Mr. Tohill, that would like to say
something and would be unable to make that May 19th meeting; and I
will also say that we will attempt to schedule that meeting earlier
for those people. I apologize; if need be we may even change it
to May 20th, which is a Friday night, if that makes any difference
to you.
MR. TOHILL: Yes.
Several Persons in Audience: Yes. It's much better.
MR. CHAIRMAN: If that would help some of you out.
LADIES: Yes. That would make a big difference.
MR. CHAIRMAN: So is there anybody that would like to say anything
tonight concerning this application that may not be here?
SEVERAL PERSONS said they would rather wait.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok. Hearing no further comments, I'll make a
motion recessing this hearing until the next Regular Meeting, which
is tentatively May 19th or May 20th.
MR. BITSES: Friday night, please, sir.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have not discussed that and I can't make that
determination at this moment.
MR. (fm3c~Dwn): Can we ask that the people here be notified by mail
~outhold Town Board off-Appeals
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MR. TOHILL:
MR.
MR. TOHILL:
my office.
MR. BITSES:
(Appeal No. 3099 - DOROTHY REISE/RIAL REALTY CORP., continued:)
MR. continued:
when the hearing will take place, whether it be the 19th or the 20th?
I'll help.
: You can help with that?
Linda and I will do that. I'll speak to Linda about that--
If i~ will please the board, I represent four people who
are not here tonight and will be able to be here on a Friday night.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir. Mr. Tohi!l, by your suggestion you're
saying you will call our office and then inform these people.
MR. TOHILL: I'll speak to Linda and then I'll do a mailing from my
office.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Ok. Can I have a second on that motion, gentlemen?
MEMBER SAWICKI: Second.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Sawicki, it was
RESOLVED, to recess the matter of Appeal No. 3099, application
for DOROTHY REISE/~IAL Realty Corp. until the next Regular Meeting of
the board, tentatively May 19th or May 20th, 1983.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
APPLICATIONS TO BE HELD IN ABEYANCE PENDING OTHER DEPARTMENT REVIEW.
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, that the following applications be held in abeyance
pending receipt of comments, recommendations or approval from the South-
old Town Planning Board concerning the site plans as f~llows%
Appeals Nos. 3109, 3110, 3111, 3112 - CUTCHOGUE FREE LIBRARY.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
'Southold Town Board of~kppeals -44-
April 2~ 1983 Regular Meeting
APPEALS NO. 3119 and 3120 - WARREN AND ELLEN HUFE.
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, that the matter of WARREN AND ELLEN HUFE, Appeals
No. 3119 and 3120, be held in ABEYANCE PENDING receipt of comments,
recommendations or approval from the Sou~hold Town Planning Board
regarding the site plan [Section 100-60(A)].
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
APPEALS NO. 3117 and 3118 - KATHRINE FARR.
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, that the matters of KATHRINE FARR in Appeals No.
3117 and 3118, be held in abeyance pending receipt of the following:
(1) six copies of a site plan accurately drawn to scale and
certified by a licensed engineer or surveyor, including all proposed
parking at 350 square feet per parking stall as required by Article
XI, Section 100-112C and Article XIII in its entirety;
(2) written comments, recommendation or approval by the
Southold Town Planning Board concerning this site plan.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was u~animously adopted.
APPEALS NO. 3114 and 3115 - WILLIAM A. and CATHERINE LINDSAY.
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Grigonls, it was
RESOLVED, that the matter of WILLIAM A. AND CATHERINE LINDSAY,
Appeals No. 3114 and 3115, be held in abeyance pending receipt-of
comments, recom~endations or approval from the Southold Town Planning
Board regarding the site plan.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigon~s, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
'Southold Town Board o~-Appeals
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April 2~ 1983 Regular Meeting
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by
Mr. Sawicki, it was
RESOLVED, to approve the following Minutes of this board, to wit:
March 23, 1983 Regular Meeting
April 1, 1983 Special Meeting.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonls, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
DATE OF NEXT REGULAR MEETING:
seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
On motion by Mr. Douglass,
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
SET-UPS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS: On motion by Mr. Douglass,
seconded~by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, that the following applications BE AND HEREBY ARE
SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS TO BE HELD at'the next Regular Meeting
of this board, to wit, May 19, 1983 cpmmencing at 7:30 p.m., and that
the same shall be advertised pursuant to law in the local and 6fficial
newspapers of the town:
Appeal No. 3108 - Wilhelm and Silke Franken.
Appeal No. 3107 - Richard E. Sullivan.
Appeal No. 3113 - Burke E. Liburt.
Appeal No. 3116 - John Grigonis.
Appeal No. 3122 - William J. Hilliard.
Appeal No. 3081 - Robert T. Kroepel
Appeal No. 3121 - Alfred and Zina Hull.
Appeal No. 3123 - Henry Pierce.
Appeal No. 3124 - Southold Lumber.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
ENVIRONMENTAL DECLARATIONS: On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded
by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, that the date for the next Regular Meeting of this
board is hereby tentatively scheduled for May 19, 1983 commencing
at 7:30 o'clock p.m. to be held at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road,
Southold, NY.
~outhold Town Board c Appeals -46- April "' 1983 Regular Meeting
RESOLVED, to de~lare the following Environmental Declarations:
APPEAL NO.: 3108.
PROJECT N~E: WILHELM AND SILKE FRANKEN.
This notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law ~44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law.
This board determines the within project not to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, pleas--~-take notice that this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar project.
TYPE OF ACTION: IX] Type II [ ] Unlisted [ ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: New dwelling with an insufficient frontyard
setback.
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southo!d, County of Suffolk, more
particularly known as: Osprey Nest Road, Greenport, NY; Cleaves Point
Section I; Map No. 2752; Lots 14 and 15 and described.
R~ASON.(~) SUPPORTING THIS DETERMINATION:
(1) An Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mitted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
environment are likely to occur should this project be implemented as
planned.
(2) DEC Permit ~10-82-1178 issued February 3, 1983.
APPEAL NO.: 3107
PROJECT NAM_E: RICHARD E. SULLIVAN.
This notice islissued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law ~44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law.
This board determines the within project not to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, please take notice that this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar project2
TYPE OF ACTION: [X] Type II [ ] Unlisted [ ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Deck addition exceeding maximum 20% lot
coverage.
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, more
particu~ar!y known as: 440 Third Street, New Suffolk, NY; County Tax
Map Parcel #1000.-117-09-020.
REASON(S) SUPPORTING THIS DETERMINATION:
(1) An Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mitted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
environment are likely to occur should this pro3ect be implemented as
planned.
$outhold Town Board o~Appeals -47- April 2~. 1983 Regular Meeting
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APPEAL NO.: 3113.
PROJECT N~: BURKE E. LIBURT.
This notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law #44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the EnviroD~ental Conservation Law.
This board determines the within project not to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, please 'take notice that this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar project.
TYPE OF ACTION: [X] Type II [ ] Unlisted [ ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Accessory stable for horse in sideyard
area.
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southoid, County of Suffolk, more
particularly known as: King Street, Orient, NY.
REASON(~)~UPPORTING THIS DETERMINATION:
(1) An Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mitted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
envlronment are likely to occur should this projec~ be implemented as
planned.
APPEAL NO.: 3116.
PROJECT NAME: JOHN GRIGONIS.
This notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law ~44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law.
This board determines the within project not to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, please take notice that this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar project2
TYPE OF ACTION: iX] Type II [ ] Unlisted [ ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: One-family dwelling in B-Zone.
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, more
particu~ar!y known as: 860 Main Bayview Road, Southold, NY.
REASON(S) SUPPORTING THIS DETERMINATION:
(1) ~n Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mitted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
environment are likely to occur should this project be implemented as
planned.
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APPEAL NO.: 3122.
PROJECT NAME: WILLIAM J. HILLIARD.
April ~n.. 1983 Regular Meeting
This notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law ~44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law.
This board determines the within project not to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, please take notice that this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar project.
TYPE OF ACTION: [X] Type II [ ] Unlisted [ ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Relocate accessory structure in a differen~
frontyard (or sideyard) area.
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southotd, County of Suffolk, more
particularly known as: Heathulie Avenue, Fishers Island, NY.
R~ASON~S)_~UPPORTING THIS DETERMINATION:
(1) An Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mitted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
environment are likely to occur should this project be implemented as
planned.
APPEAL NO.: 3081.
PROJECT NAME: ROBERT T. KROEPEL.
This notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law ~44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law.
This board 'determines the within project not to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, please take notice that this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar project~
TYPE OF ACTION: [X] Type II [ ] Unlisted [ ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Area and width variance for two lots
containing approximately 37,070 sq. ft. each.
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, more
particularly known as: Indian Neck Road, Peconic, NY.
REASON(S) SUPPORTING THiS DETERMINATION:
(!) An Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mltted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
environment are likely to occur should this project be implemented as
planned.
(2) The subject premises is not located within 300 feet of
tidal wetlands.
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APPEAL NO.: 3121.
PROJECT N~E: ALFRED AND ZINA HULL.
April
1983 Regular Meeting
This notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law ~44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law.
This board determines the within project not to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, please-take notice that this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar project.
TYPE OF ACTION: [X] Type II [ ] Unlisted E ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Two dwellings on one lot; exceeds 50% of
fair market value (nonconforming preexisting use discontinued for more
than two years).
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, more
particularly known as: 3630 Soundview Avenue, Peconic, NY.
R~ASON(~S)_~UPPORTING THIS DETERMINATION:
(1) An Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mitted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
environment are likely to occur should this project be implemented as
planned.
APPEAL NO.: 3123
PROJECT NAME: HENRY PIERCE
This notice isf'issued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law ~44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law.
This board determines the within project not to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, pteas~ take notice that this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar project2
TYPE OF ACTION: [X] Type Ii [ ] Unlisted [ ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Accessory garage in side/front yards.
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, more
particularly known as: Wells Road, Peconic, NY.
REASON(S) SUPPORTING THIS DETERMINATION:
(1) An Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mitted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
environment are likely to occur should this project be implemented as
planned.
(2) D.E.C. permit ~10-83-0014TW issued March 24, 1983.
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APPEAL NO.: 3124.
PROJECT NAME: SOUTHOLD LUMBER
Apri~ q0, 1983 Regular Meeting
This notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law $44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental ConservatiOn Law.
This board determines the within project not to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, pleas~ take notice that this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar project.
TYPE OF ACTION: IX] Type II [ ] Unlisted [ ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Fence exceeding four feet in height alOng
frontyard area.
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, more
particularly known as: Hummel Avenue, Southold, NY.
REASON[SJ~UPPORTING THIS DETErmINATION:
(1) An Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mitted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
environment are likely to occur should this project be implemented as
planned.
APPEAL NO.: 3125
PROJECT NAME: JACK LEVIN (Special Exception)
This notice is~issued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law $44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law.
This board determines the within project not to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, please take notice that this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar projectJ
TYPE OF ACTION: [X] Type ii [ ] Unlisted [ ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Special Exception for two-family dwelling
on a two-acre parcel ..... _~.
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southo!d, County of Suffolk, more
particularly known as: North Road (C.R. 48), Greenport (near Southold);
1000-44-4-5.
REASON(S) SUPPORTING THIS DETERMINATION:
(i) An Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mitted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
environment are likely to occur should this project be implemented as
planned.
ld Town Board c~ /Appeals
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(ENVIRONMENTAL DECLARATIONS, continued:)
.APPEAL NO.: 3126
PROJECT NA~4~E: JACK LEVIN [Variance)
This notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 (and Local Law ~44-4)
of the implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the State
Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law.
This board determines the within project not .to have a significant
adverse effect on the environment. Also, please--take notice tha~ this
declaration should not be considered a determination made for any other
department or agency which may also have an application pending for the
same or similar project.
TYPE OF ACTION: [XI Type II [ ] Unlisted [ ]
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Variance - second dwelling unit less than
850 square feet of living area.
LOCATION OF PROJECT: Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, more
particularly known as: C.R. 48, Greenport (near Sou~hold), NY.
REASON(S) SUPPORTING THIS DETER~IINATION:
(1) An'~Environmental Assessment in the Short Form has been sub-
mitted which indicates that no significant adverse effects to the
enviror~ment are likely to occur should this project be implemented as
planned.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehrlnger, Grigonis, Doyen,
Douglass and Saw±cki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
The board agreed to meet one day next weekat a Special Meeting
in Order to deliberate and possibly make decisions on all. pending
matters.
Being there was no further business properly coming before the
board this evening, the Chairman declared the meeting adjourned.
The meeting officially adjourned at approximately 11:10 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Sou~hold Town Board of Appeals