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ELIZABETH A. NEVILLE
TOWN CLERK
REGISTRAR OF VITAL STATISTICS
MARRIAGE OFFICER
RECORDS MANAGEMENT OFFICER
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION OFFICER
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (631) 765-6145
Telephone (631) 765-1800
southoldtown.northfork.net
OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
September 24, 2004
Erin Crotty, Commissioner
State of New York
Department of Environmental Conservation
50 Wolf Road
Albany, New York 12233
Dear Commissioner Crotty:
Transmitted herewith is a copy of the "Appeal of Denial of Coastal Erosion Management
Permit ofJohn Betsch, 2235 North Sea Drive, Southold, New York SC1M#1000-54-04-
24. It is being sent for your information in accordance with Southold Town Code
Chapter 37, Section 35B. This matter has been assigned to our Assistant Town Attorney
Kiernan Corcoran. You may contact him at 631 765-1939 for further information.
Very truly yours,
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Elizabeth A. Neville
Southold Town Clerk
cc: Town Board
Town Attorney
Town Trustees
New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
Division of Water
Bureau of Program Resources & Flood Protection, 4t" Floor
625 Broadway, Albany, New York 12233-3507
Phone: (518) 402-8151 · FAX: (518) 402-9029
Website.' www.dec.stete.ny.us
Denise M. Sheehan
Acting
Commissioner
March 30, 2005
RECEIVED
APR ] 2005
Mr. Kieran Comoran, Esq.
Town of Southold
54375 Route 25,
PO Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971-0959
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Dear Mr. Corcoran:
Thank you and Trustee, Albert Krupski, Jr. for responding to my inquiry of December 8,
2004 by forwarding a copy of Resolution No. 820 of 2004 and the minutes for the November 4,
2004 public hearing held to hear the John Betsch variance appeal.
The intbrmation you sent to me on December 22, 2004 highlighted a discrepancy between
the size of the footprint that was allowable under the variance granted and the size of the
proposed footprint established on the plans that were presented to the Town. Specifically, on
November 16, 2004, by adoption of resolution 820 of 2004, the Town' Board granted a variance
to John Betsch,
%.. from the requirements or the Toxvn or Southold Coastal Erosion
Hazard Areas Law, to the extent that his project conforms to the
application considered herein."
Under the findings of the determination the following was ~vritten:
"The variance requested is the minimum necessary to overcome the
practical difficulty or hardship. The proposed reconstruction will be
comprised of approximately 1,800 square feet of residential footprint
and living space, plus approximately 600 square feet of garage. This
proposal is an increase of approximately 33% above the current
seasonal use structure, which covers a footprint of approximately
1,800 square feet."
However, after continuing to work with tile Town in answering CEHA administration questions,
it has become apparent that the original plans for the Betsch property are still being used. The
original plans provided with the survey of the property, prepared by John C. Ehlers Land
Surveyor, shows 3,000 square feet of ground coverage (residential structure) and an additional
disturbance of approximately 2,000 square feet from tile construction ora new proposed
driveway, all within CEHA jurisdiction. These plans currently being reviewed show an
unacceptable increase in ground coverage and disturbance to the Natural Protective Feature Area
that is not the minimum necessary to overcome the practical difficulty or hardship demonstrated.
The plans that have been referred to contradict the size of the variance that was granted.
Additionally, it was noted that the Trustees were required to review the project for
conformance with wetland regulations after the issuance of the previously mentioned variance.
This is unusual in that it is common to review variances with consideration for all relevant site
limitations and restrictions such as necessary setbacks from tidal and freshwater wetland areas
and required property line and road setbacks. It is my understanding that wetland setbacks were
only considered after the granting of the variance from CEHA restrictions to build a structure ora
specific size. It is good practice to determine all of the limitations oa a building envelope before
determining ifa variance can be granted and especially before determining the size of the
structure to be varied.
Please provide information that resolves the discrepancy between the footprint of the site
design presented to the Town Board and the footprint allowed by the variance that was issued. I
look forward to any clarity to this issue that you may be able to provide. If you have any
questions about this matter or Coastal Erosion Management, please contact me at (518) 402-
8151.
Sincerely,
Environmental Program Specialist
Coastal Erosion Management Unit
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Town Board, Southold
Albert Krupski, President, Board of Trustees, Southold
Eric Star, Environmental Program Specialist, NYSDEC Region 1
Albert J. Krupski, President
James King, Vice-President
Artie Foster
Ken Po]iwoda
Peggy A. Dickerson
Town Hall
53095 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631) 765-1892
Fax (631) 765-1366
TO:
FROM:
DATE:
RE:
BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF $OUTHOLD
Southold Town Board
Board of Trustees
January 11,2005
John Betsch
2325 North Sea Dr., Southold
SCTM#54-4-24
RECEIVED
JAN 12 2005
Southold Town Clerk
Recently, our Board of Trustees has discovered that some of the information on which
the Southold Town Board based its variance decision on the Betsch application was
erroneous. The scale of the survey, which was used in the review by the Town Board, is
inaccu rate.
Since percentage of Addition and house size as verified by a survey is the issue of the
related variance under Chapter 37, this discrepancy between what the Board reviewed
and what was real and accurate could be significant.
Currently, our Board of Trustees has been requested by the applicant to begin a review
of their Coastal Erosion Hazard and Wetlands applications for the other standards of
Chapter 37 and all of Chapter 97, respectively. A complete review cannot be made on
any application with inaccurate information.
Since this is still under Town review, and since NYS DEC Coastal Erosion group in
Albany and Stony Brook has taken a specific interest in this property and your
procedures in issuance of a variance, it would seem advisable for you to review your
variance decision using an accurate survey. A copy of the revised survey, recently
submitted by Mr. Betsch, is attached for your perusal.
Please advise soon as our next Public Hearing is on January 19, 2005.
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ELIZABETH A. NEVILLE
TOWN CLERK
REGISTHAR OF VITAL STATISTICS
MARRIAGE OFFICER
RECORDS MANAGEMENT OFFICER
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION OFFICER
Town Hail, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (631) 765-6145
Telephone (631) 765-1800
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OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
TOWN OF $OUTHOLD
THIS IS TO CERTIFY THAT THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION NO. 820 OF 2004
WAS ADOPTED AT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
ON NOVEMBER 16, 2004:
WHEREAS, the Board of Trustees on August 18, 2004, denied the application of John Betsch
(the "Applicant") for a permit under the Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas Law (the "Law") of the
Town of Southold; and
WHEREAS, on September 20, 2004, Mr. Betsch submitted an application to the Town Board of
the Town of Southold, as the governing Coastal Erosion Hazard Board of Review, seeking to
appeal the determination of the Board of Trustees, or in the alternative, seeking a variance from
the requirements of the Law; and
WHEREAS, the Town Board did transmit a copy of the instant appeal to the New York
Department of Environmental Conservation; and
WHEREAS, on November 4, 2004, the Town Board conducted a duly noticed public heating on
the instant appeal with opportunity for all interested parties to be heard; and
WHEREAS, on November 8, 2004, the Town Board received a copy of a letter from the Coastal
Erosion Management Unit of the Department of Environmental Conservation; it is hereby
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Southold does hereby make the following
findings:
The determination by the Board of Trustees that the proposed activity is to be conducted
in a primary dune area and constitutes a prohibited activity under §37-16 of the Coastal
Erosion Hazard Areas Law, in the absence of a variance from this Board, is upheld.
The criteria for a variance as set forth in §37-30 of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas
Law have been satisfied, as follows:
(a)
Strict application of the standards and restrictions of the Coastal Erosion Hazard
Areas Law will subject the Applicant to practical difficulty and unnecessary
hardship, inasmuch as the entirety of the Applicant's property is situated in the
designated natural protective feature area. As such, the relatively modest
reconstruction of the Applicant's seasonal home to a year-round home as
proposed, on pilings in an ecologically sound manner as compared to the present
structure, would be prohibited by the Law. Moreover, the Applicant is unable to
move the proposed reconstruction to any area of the property without running
afoul of the Law.
(h)
Applicant owns no other site in Town on which to construct a year-round home,
and the proposed project may not be located on any other portion of the property
without the need for a variance.
(c)
Applicant has incorporated all responsible means and measures to mitigate
adverse impacts on natural systems and their functions and values have been
incorporated into the activity's design at the property owner's expense. The
Applicant's proposal includes measures to protect the natural protective area, by
constructing a home on pilings, in compliance with all FEMA regulations, and
incorporating an upgraded septic system.
(d)
For the reasons stated above, the development will be reasonably safe from flood
and erosion damage. In addition, evidence has been submitted that this property
has been accreting, rather than eroding, in recent years. Given the proposed
transition from a foundation to pilings, the reconstruction will be safer from
potential flood and erosion damage than the existing structure.
(e)
The variance requested is the minimum necessary to overcome the practical
difficulty or hardship. The proposed reconstruction will be comprised of
approximately 1,800 square feet of residential footprint and living space, plus
approximately 600 square feet of garage. This proposal is an increase of
approximately 33% above the current seasonal use structure, which covers a
footprint of approximately 1,800 square feet. Moreover, the proposed structure,
flanked on one side by a municipal beach parking lot and in the immediate
neighborhood of larger residential homes, is in keeping with the character of the
neighborhood and immediate neighbors have expressed approval of the project.
(f) No public funds are to be utilized in this Project.
(g)
Upon consideration of the foregoing, it is hereby further RESOLVED that the
Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants John Betsch a variance from
the requirements of the Town of Southold Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas Law, to
the extent his project conforms to the application considered herein; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that this determination by the Town Board of the Town of
Southold is classified as a Type II action under SEQRA with no further review required; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that this determination shall not affect or deprive any other
agency of its properly asserted jurisdiction, separate and apart from the proceedings under the
Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas Law considered herein.
Elizabeth A. Neville
Southold Town Clerk
PATRICIA A. FINNEGA~
TOWN ATTORNEY
patricia.finnegan@town.southold.ny.us
KIERAN M. CORCORAN
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY
kieran.corcoran@town.southold.ny.us
LOKI HULSE MONTEFUSCO
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY
lori.montefusco@town.southold.ny.us
JOSHUA Y. HORT01~
Supervisor
Town Hall Annex, 54375 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631) 765-1939
Facsimile (631) 765-6639
OFFICE OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
To:
From:
Date:
Subject:
MEMORANDUM
Members of the Town Board
Kieran M. Comoran, Assistant Town Attorney
November 8, 2004
Appeal of John Betsch
Enclosed is the response from the DEC with respect to I~lr. Betsch's
appeal. As you will see, aside from making various corrections'to the assertions
made by the applicant, the DEC takes the position that the proposed
reconstruction will occur in a primary dune area. As stated in my prior
Memorandum, if the Board accepts this conclusion, which was also the
conclusion of the Trustees, Mr. Betsch would need a variance from the Town
Board in order to proceed with his project. Accordingly, in that case, Mr. Betsch
would be required to meet the variance criteria that were outlined in my
Memorandum and at the November 4 hearing.
KMC/Ik
Enclosure
cc: Patricia A, Finnegan, Esq., Town Attorney
Elizabeth Neville, Town Clerk~
New York State Depa nt of Environmental
Division of Water
Bureau of Program Resources & Flood Protection, 4t~ Floor
625 Broadway, Albany, New York 12233-3507
Phone: (518) 402-8151 · FAX: (518) 402-9029
Website: www.dec.state.ny.us
Conse~ation
Edn M. Crotty
Commissioner
November 4, 2004
Mr. Albert J. Krupski, Jr., President
Board of Trustees
Town of Southold
53095 Main Road., PO Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Dear Mr. Krapski:
NOV - 8 2004
On September 30, 2004, an appeal to the denial of a Coastal Erosion Hazard Area
(CEHA) pemfit for an application requesting permission to demolish an existing house and
reconstruct a substantially larger structure in the Natural Protective Feature Area (NPFA) was
forwarded to the Commissioner of this Department by the Southold Town Clerk. Thank you for
providing this information as directed by Southold's local law, Chapter 37, Section 35B.
After reviewing the appeal prepared by Christopher Kelley of Twomey, Latham, Shea &
Kelley on behalf of John Betsch, it is necessary to correct some misinformation that has been
asserted in this document in regard to Coastal Erosion Hazard Area regulations and information
that the Department has provided to both the applicant, John Betsch and the Town of Southold.
The following items are responses to clarify specific sections of the appeal which paraphrase
information that was provided and to clarify interpretations of the coastal regulations which are
incorrect:
1) Page 3, second paragraph states, "Mr. McDonough indicated that the proposed project
was 'generally approvable by the State standards.'"
.The above statement needs to be pJaced in the proper context. A minor addition to an
existing structure (less than 25% increase in ground coverage of the structure) is generally
approvable providing it meets permit issuance standards. However, demolishing an
existing structure and replacing it with a new structure is not allowed under coastal
regulations and is therefore, prohibited. Increasing the ground area coverage of existing
structure by 25% or more is also prohibited. If an activity is prohibited, it cannot be
issued a CEHA permit without first being granted a variance.
Furthermore, although major additions or reconstructions are considered regulated
activities, being a regulated activity does not lead to the conclusion that it is an activity
for which a Coastal Erosion Management Permit could be issued as asserted on page 4,
third paragraph. The fact that they are regulated means that the activities fall under
purview of CEHA regulations as compared to an unregulated or exempted activity for
which coastal regulations do not apply. As listed above, major additions and
reconstructions are regulated activities and are prohibited in primary dune areas as well as
other Natural Protective Feature Areas (NPFA) such as beaches, bluffs, and nearshore
areas. Again, prohibited activities can only be permitted by issuing a variance.
2) On page 8, the last paragraph reads in part, 'Tqo justification has been offered by the
DEC or the Trustees for the arbitrary placement of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line along
North Sea Drive." The CEHA line has not been arbitrarily placed as stated in the
referenced document but, rather was placed following the guidelines and procedures set
forth in Article 34 of Environmentgl Conservation Law. The CEHA line is not arbitrarily
mapped but in fact, was located after reviewing aerial photography supplemented by
information obtained by field inspections. A preliminary CEHA map public hearing was
held on July 19, 1984 and the maps were made available to the public for inspection and
comment during these preliminary identification mapping efforts. Final maps were then
prepared based on comments and information received by the Department during the
public hearing and comment period. The final identification of CEHA maps, including
amendments made fi.om information provided at the public hearing, were filed on
September 14, 1988 with the Town of Southold. Any additional changes to the CEHA
maps are made by only the Department through periodic map revisions and fi.om
successful CEHA line designation appeals. All map changes are filed with the Town of
Southold, with Suffolk County, affected property owners, and the Department of State.
The portion of the property for which John Betsch has proposed construction on is
located within a NPFA. The Natural Protective Feature (NPF) that has been identified is
a primary dune. ~[tached you will find a diagram illustrating the general profile of a
dune. The landwerd hmlt of CEHA jurisdiction is 25 feet from the landward toe of the
dune which place3 it on the edge of North Sea Drive.
There have been no Structural Hazard Areas identified in the Town of Southold. A
Structural Hazard Area consists of shorelands located landward of natural protective
features that have shorelines receding at a long-term average annual recession rate of one
foot or more per year. A long-term annual recession rate of one foot or greater has not yet
been established in any portion of the Town of Southold.
3) On page 8, the last paragraph reads in part, "...Mr. Betsch should not be required, as
suggested by the DEC, to finance their reevaluation and reconsideration of the erroneous
placement of the line along North Sea Drive before he is permitted to rebuild his home."
In reply to this inaccurate statement, the Department has never requested an applicant to
finance a CEHA designation appeal. The only relevant requirement for an applicant to
appeal a CEHA designation is that the applicant owns real property within the designated
erosion hazard area and that the sole acceptable basis for an erosion hazard area
designation appeal is technical information indicating that:
(1) the long-term ayerage annual rate of shoreline recession was incorrectly
established; or
(2) the subject area was erroneously identified as a natural protective feature area
(6NYCRR 505.10).
Since there is no Structural Hazard Areas identified in the Town of Southold, the only
basis for appeal is on the proper identification of the NPFA. An applicant would also
have to fill out a Coastal Erosion Hazard Area Appeal Designation form (enclosed) and
submit it to the Department. As of yet, John Betsch has not submitted a request to appeal
the NPFA designation.
The document you forwarded to the Department contains a number of incorrect
statements. This letter is intended to correct the misinformation presented in the document
specific to what information was provided by the Department to the applicant or Town, the role
of the Department in the initial identification of NPFA's, and to assist the Town in its
management of its local CEHA program by clarifying how the regulations apply to the types of
development activities suggested in the appeal document.
I hope this helps clarify any questions that have arisen from the appeal document
forwarded to the Town of Southold and subsequently to the Department. If you have any
questions about this matter or Coastal Erosion Management, please contact me at (518) 402-8151.
Enclosure
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Sincerely,
Environmental Program Specialist
Coastal Erosion Managemg/it Unit
Kieran Corcoran, Assistant Town Attorney, Southold ~
Heather Tetrault, Environmental Technician, Southold
Eric Star, Environmental Program Specialist, NYSDEC Region I
PA'~RICIA A. FINNEGAN
TOWN ATTORNEY
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KIERAN M. CORCORAN
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY
kieran.corcoren@town.southold.ny.us
LORI HULSE MONTEFUSCO
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY
lori.montefusco~town.southold.ny.us
JOSHUA Y. HORTOIq
Supervisor
Town Hall Annex, 54375 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631) 765-1939
Facsimile (631) 765-6639
OFFICE OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MEMORANDUM
To:
Members of the Town Board
From:
Kieran M. Corcoran, Assistant Town Attorney
Date:
November 1,2004
Subject:
Appeal of John Betsch/Coastal Erosion Hazard Law
Mr. Betsch has appealed the Trustees' denial of his application for a
coastal erosion management permit for the reconstruction of a larger home in
place of their existing cottage on North Sea drive in Southold (immediately west
of the McCabe's beach parking lot).
The Trustees' decision concluded that Mr. Betsch's property was in a
"dune area" under the Town's Coastal Erosion Hazard Law, and that he sought
to pursue a "major addition". In primary and secondary dune areas, only
"nonmajor additions" are allowed pursuant to the grant of a permit (subject to
permit requirements).
Mr. Betsch's papers spend a lot of time distinguishing his project as a
"reconstruction" as opposed to a "major addition". However, if one accepts the
Trustees' conclusion that the property is in a "dune area" (dune is defined as a
ridge or hill consisting of loose sand), it is immaterial whether the project is a
major addition or a reconstruction; both are prohibited without a variance from
the Town Board.
In determining whether to grant a variance, the Board must consider
whether the applicant will suffer "practical difficulty" or "unnecessary hardship"
and has satisfied the following criteria:
A. No reasonable, prudent, alternative site is available.
All responsible means and measures to mitigate adverse impacts
on natural systems and their functions and values have been
incorporated into the activity's design at the property owner's
expense.
The development will be reasonably safe from flood and erosion
damage.
The variance requested is the minimum necessary to overcome the
practical difficulty or hardship which was the basis for the requested
variance.
Where public funds are utilized, the public benefits must clearly
outweigh the long-term adverse effects.
The applicant contends that the house is immediately adjacent to a Town
parking lot, that other properties in the area have been similarly improved, and
that the property is accreting, rather than eroding. The stated hardship is the
alleged mis-placement of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line in the middle of North
Sea Drive, such that the entirety of applicant's property is behind the line, without
any demonstrable erosion; and that petitioning the State to move the line would
be unduly expensive and time-consuming.
If the Board is inclined to grant such a variance, it should do so with
direction that the matter be referred to the Trustees for compliance with SEQRA.
The Trustees informed L~Sthat the DEC would be submitting a position
paper on this matter; despite ~forts to contact them, they have not done so as of
the writing of this Memorandum.
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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
PUBLIC HEARING
November 4, 2004
9:00 A.M.
HEARING ON JOItN BETSCIt APPEAL OF TRUSTEE I)ECISION~ SCTM #1000-54-4-24
Present: Supervisor Joshua Y. Horton
Justice Louisa P. Evans
Councilman John M. Romanelli
Councilman Thomas H. Wickham
Councilman Daniel C. Ross
Councilman William P. Edwards
Town Clerk Elizabeth A. Neville
Assistant Town Attomey Kieran Corcoran
SUPERVISOR HORTON: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of
Southold hereby sets November 4, 2004 at 9:00 a.m., Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main road,
Southold, New York as the time and place for a public hearing on the question of appealing the
determination of the Southold Town Trustees dated August 18, 2004, which decision denied the
application of John Betsch to construct a two-story, single-family dwelling, in place of his existing
dwelling. The property in question is identified by SCTM# 1000-54-4-24. The application was
denied under Chapter 37 (Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas) of the Town Code.
A more detailed description of the above mentioned application is on file in the Southold Town Clerk's
Office, 53095 Main Road, Southold, New York, and may be examined by any interested person during
business hours.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: That the hearing has been properly noticed in the official paper of Southold
Town Board, the Suffolk Times, for the year 2004. Also posted on the bulletin board in relation to a
request for a variance from the decision of the Southold Town Trustees in relation to Chapter 37, the
Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas code.
Moved by Supervisor Horton, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was
RESOLVED that this hearing on the Appeal of John Betsch regarding the Trustees decision in relation
to Chapter 37 of the Southold Town Code be declared open.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: We have commenced public hearing and I open the floor to the gentleman
· standing at the podium.
CHRISTOPHER KELLY: Christopher Kelly of Twomey, Latham, Shea and Kelly for the applicant,
John Betsch. I understand that this is a sort of a rare type of application for this Board to consider and
I just want to make it clear what you are considering here. There was an application made to the
Trustees in their role as administrators of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Act provisions to the Town
Code, Chapter 37. We submitted to that Board that there should be a permit issued for this application
we will discuss today, as-of-right. That permit was denied (inaudible). The first step, the reasons that
I will go into were alternatively to grant the variance (inaudible), so there is two ways that the
applicant can receive relief here from this Board. One is through a variance and the other is simply
through a reversal of the Town Trustees. I would like to go over a little bit about the facts of the
application. I have some visuals I want to show you so you get a sense of the neighborhood. You
have all received a packet and the packet that you have got is a cover letter with essentially the record
from the Town Trustees proceeding. The property consists of 26,812 square feet, located on North Sea
Drive in Southold. Take Horton's Lane up, essentially north of here, you will run into North Sea
Drive. It is right around the comer there. The property fronts on the Long Island Sound and is zoned
R-40. It is improved with a one-story house built on a concrete block foundation. The ground
coverage is 1,782 square feet. You will notice that located east of this property is a public beach with
parking lot called McCabe's Beach. To the west of Mr. Betsch was expanded pursuant to a Trustees
Coastal Erosion Hazard Act permit. The owners of that residence I believe are here today. The
Pearlstein's have told us they have no objection to the application we are making. The applicant
proposes to demolish the existing house and construct a new house of two-stories. The square footage
of the, the footprint would expand to 2,800 square feet for the house and deck, 1,000 of that in decking
and a 600 square foot garage, the second story would be 1,000 square feet. The habitable space of the
house would increase to 2,800 square feet. So that is what we are talking about in terms of a house.
We are not talking about a McMansion here. It is a very reasonably sized house. The new
construction would increase the footprint on the property by 53 percent. All construction is at least
118 feet from the edge of, from the mean high water. Now, why this permit is required here, the reason
we came before the Trustees and why we are now here before you is because of an unusual jog in the
Coastal Erosion Hazard line. That line parallels the coast of the Sound but it takes a jog just west of
our property, the applicant's property, going north and running down the middle of North Sea Drive.
As a consequence, we have no ability, our applicant has no ability to move behind the line for his
construction. Neighbors to the west of us have either gotten approval to reconstruct or expand their
homes, see where the line, or have had the ability because of the location of the line vis-h-vis their
property, to move behind the line. And I will show you how that line looks in a second. Three aspects
of my presentation today and I will keep it as brief as possible, I know you have a big agenda, first of
all, I want to just talk to you about the practical side, the equity argument that the applicant has here. I
also want to talk to you about why we believe we were entitled to a permit as-of-fight by the Trustees
and why that determination denying that permit should be overturned and lastly, if you should reject
the argument that we are entitled to a permit as-of-right, I would submit to you that we have
established a criteria entitling us to a variance. Let's deal with the practical side first, that would be
pretty much on these visuals. First, this gives you an idea of the coast here, the Sound, and the various
property owners who have recently constructed, expanded; re-built their houses. Starting from the
west here, you can see the Paskoff residence, and this by the way, this black line here, is the Coastal
Erosion Hazard line. Now, it bifurcates many of these lines but then jogs to the south so that it is up
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against the road so that these properties along here have no ability to build behind that line. The whole
of their property is in front of that line, on the water-side of it. This is the Betsch property, the
applicant's property fight here. This is the neighbor, who has recently expanded, the Pearlstein's.
They are here today. Their expansion was by our calculations, 67 percent of the building, of the
additional envelope size. This is Vail right here, see this building was raised, a rather substantial
structure. VonZuben, farther down from us, is one of the more recently constructed or re-constructed
or enlarged. And they had the same issues. I am not certain whether these were granted variances or
whether they got permits as-of-right. But we are in the position, our permit request, we are on the sea-
ward side of the line. That is the same thing as a tax map, you can see where our lot it, you can see the
size of the lots; this is the beach parking lot. You can see what these houses look like. So our first
practical consideration is that the construction that we are talking about is consistent with the rest of
the neighborhood and the permits that have been granted or the constructions that have been allowed to
proceed in the neighborhood to the west. Another practical consideration here is that the Pearlstein's
have indicated they have no objection to the application, they are immediately adjacent to the west.
The two neighbors in the rear, Vazquez, I have an e-mail.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: We have a letter from Vazquez.
MR. KELLY: And I think a letter from Chihlas, as well? So, those are the two property owners
immediately to the south, across the street and they have no objection to the application. Now, one of
the issues here, one of the policies behind the Coastal Erosion Hazard act is to prevent erosion and to
prevent the destruction of natural features that may protect against erosion. What we were able to
show the Trustees, through an affidavit of our surveyors, is that contrary to what you might think, this
property is not eroded but it is actually but it is actually accreting over a time, expanding the width of
the lot by 24 feet. So there has actually been the opposite of erosion on this lot. We mentioned the
parking lot is next door. The new construction we are proposing will actually make the current
residence less non-conforming because on the old Zoning Code requirements, with respect to setbacks.
But also, most importantly, meet all the construction requirements of FEMA. This house will be put
on pilings, as new construction has to be, to prevent erosion and flood damage. The DEC has
indicated they have no jurisdiction over this application; that was so indicated to the Trustees. Now,
when we below, this word below with the Trustees~ we argued that we had the right to a permit without
the need for any variances. That was based on two things. First of all, nobody can tell us what the
natural feature or what our lot was classified as. It wasn't a beach, it wasn't clearly a dune, it wasn't
clearly a bluff but they assumed it was something. At the end of the day, they issued a decision
without any evidence to the record, they determined that it was a primary dune. In fact, we take
exception to that. They also said that this was a major addition, when it is not a major addition; it is
brand-new construction. There is no building that is going to be remaining that we are going to add
onto. It is totally new construction. It is, however, regulated activity but it is a permitted activity.
And the Trustees seem to get lost in what this was and what type of feature we were impacting. They
never got to the three criteria, which we submitted they were required to and that is 1.) Whether the
construction was reasonable and necessary, considering the reasonable alternatives. Whether it was
likely to cause a measurable increase in erosion or whether the construction prevents or minimizes the
adverse effects on natural protective features and other natural resources. And we submitted evidence
as to why we satisfied each of those criteria here. The Trustees got lost in the issue of whether it was a
major addition, whether it was a dune, whether it was a bluff and erroneously held that this was a
major addition on a primary dune and therefore they did not have the power to grant the relief we were
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seeking, which is why we are here today. We are here, A.) for asking you to determine that they were
incorrect in that ruling but B.) if they were, giving us a variance, since you are the only Board that is
off sitting as the Board of Review for their decisions under the Coastal Erosion Hazard Act. We are
asking for you to grant a variance. Now we submitted to them that there were no reasonable
alternatives to this, we don't have the ability to move the house back, as we have said, because the line
is in the road. There is a trend in this neighborhood and my clients are part of that trend, to winterize
the formally summer houses to make them year-round houses and to retire out here. This house they
currently have has no heat, it has not been winterized, it is not suitable for habitation in non-summer
months. The application, because of the compliance with FEMA regulations will be more protective
of natural features and less likely to cause erosion from flood damage. So for those reasons, we
thought that we should have gotten the issuance of a permit as-of-right. Now, and another reason too,
in terms of character of the neighborhood and simple equity, what has been approved and allowed to
be constructed in the vicinity, the house proposed will actually be smaller than some of these other
houses that were constructed immediately to the west, under the same conditions.
JUSTICE EVANS: On these other properties, where is the Coastal Hazard....as far as the other ....
MR. KEELY: That is one of the interesting things ....
JUSTICE EVANS: Is the Betsch house the only one that is sort of on the other side?
MR. KELLY: Pearlstein had a similar issue but they were partially behind the line. Oh, no, wait a
second. No, according to this, they were completely in front of the line as well. Some of the houses
over here, you can see had area behind the line, that they could move back.
JUSTICE EVANS: But there have been other ones that have been completely in front of the line, too?
MR. KELLY: Yes, yeah. According to this map, Pearlstein was completely in front of the line. You
can see the houses. Now, what I would like to do is give you a sense of what this house would look
like.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: So that means, in regard to the, and I appreciate that but in regard to our
decision, I am not so sure the aesthetics of the home is, feel free, but I don't think our decision will,
can or should be grounded in...
MR. KELLY: Just to give you a sense, this is what the house looks like, so that you get a sense, too, of
the mass. It is an unusual shape. If you look at the survey, too. Have you ever seen a stealth fighter, it
kind of looks like a wedge? This is what the house, the footprint of the house would look like, on the
property. It is unusual. So, although this is the front elevation, it gives us, it looks more massive in two
dimensions than it does in three because this is what you are actually looking at. This is the blueprint.
Now, if you should decide that we were entitled to a permit as-of-right, the Trustees ....
SUPERVISOR HORTON: You could just build a stealth house and we would never know.
MR. KELLY: Right.
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JUSTICE EVANS: Can I just ask a question? You are saying the Trustees determined it was a
primary dune?
MR. KELLY: Yeah.
JUSTICE EVANS: And what are you contending that it is? I mean, are you contending that it is
something so the Coastal Erosion Act doesn't even apply? Or are you saying that...
MR. KELLY: You could argue, if you look at the topography of the lot, you could argue that the bluff
exists way out in front of where the construction is. Because you can see where the elevation is. You
could call that a bluff and a primary dune and call us, you know, 75 feet behind it. But the talked to
the DEC and they looked at it themselves; there was no evidence in the record as to what exactly it
was. We would submit that we are behind, essentially a bluffor primary dune.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: And for the information of the Board, we are still waiting on
correspondence from the DEC to this Board. We were hoping it would have arrived yesterday but it
hasn't.
MR. KELLY: You could argue, I would argue that that is...
COUNCILMAN ROSS: A primary dune?
MR. KELLY: That is a primary dune.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: But we are waiting for that.
MR. KELLY: Now, with respect m appeal, you have the power to grant, excuse me, with respect to
the variance, you have the power under section 37-30 of the Code to grant a variance. Them is specific
criteria in the Code, very similar to the area variance criteria, if any of you are familiar. (Inaudible)
served on the Zoning Board of Appeals, similar to those type of criteria, relative to an area variance.
The first one is that there is no reasonably, reasonable prudent alternative site available. There is no
reasonable, prudent site available. They own no other property in Town, there is no property that they
have that is behind the line; landward of the Coastal Erosion Hazard line, that could be constructed on.
Next criteria is, whether all reasonable means and measures to mitigate adverse impacts on the natural
systems and their functions have been incorporated. We have done so by making this house totally
compliant with FEMA and having it built on pilings. And you will recall the policy behind FEMA
pilings rules is so that if you have a 100 year flood, it comes across the land, washes under the house,
and it is not bottling up the energy that comes ashore with wave action; that would flow under the
house, in case of that drastic type of storm. Next criteria you need to consider is whether the
development will be reasonably safe from flood erosion damage. Again, we will be incorporating all
the things we need to, all the latest technology and building code in terms of preventing floods, erosion
damage, which are not incorporated in the existing structure, which is just built on a concrete block
foundation. Next criteria is whether the variance requested is the minimum necessary to overcome the
practical difficulty or hardship and the variance we are asking for is to be able to build, if you are
calling this a primary dune or if you are calling it some effect feature where construction is otherwise
prohibited, yes, there is no other place for us to put this. This is the minimum necessary, in that we
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can't put it anyplace else. We have tried to keep the house as modest as possible. Again, I remind you
it is a 2,800 square foot of living space. The last criteria is whether public funds are utilized. That is
not really applicable to this application. So, in summary, I suggest to you we are not proposing a
McMansion; the neighbors have supported this application; there is no evidence that this proposal will
increase the likelihood of erosion, flood damage. We have done everything that we could. We have
been before the Trustees now for over eight months. We went through four public hearings. The
neighborhood is clearly developed. As you can see, that these types of houses, that we will be
consistent with that, in fact, smaller than several of these houses. And as a matter of fact, we submit
that the development should be allowed to proceed (inaudible.) So what we are asking from you is a
resolution either overturning the Trustees decision or granting a variance.
JUSTICE EVANS: And do the Trustees not have the ability to look at the variance issue?
MR. KELLY: Correct.
JUSTICE EVANS: They just purely turned down your permit on grounds that it is not...
MR. KELLY: Their determination was that it didn't comply with the as-of-rights provisions of
Chapter 37.
JUSTICE EVANS: And we are the only Board that can grant a variance?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, that is correct.
MR. KELLY: You are the appeal Board.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: The Town Board wrote the law.
MR. KELLY: And it is modeled after what the DEC form law was when you take from the DEC the
right to administer the law. And most of the municipalities have done that, you have to have a safety
outlet, an appeals court.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Is there anything else you would like to share with the Board?
MR. KELLY: I would be happy to answer any questions, my client is here, Mr. Betsch; if you would
like to ask him any questions.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Maybe what I will do is, I will open the, before we get into questions the
Board may have, I will again offer the floor to anybody else from the public that may want to address
the Board on this matter? Yes?
BRUCE ANDERSON: Bruce Anderson. I have just one, I thought I heard him say ....
SUPERVISOR HORTON: For the record, could we have your name and the place of residence?
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MR. ANDERSON: Bruce Anderson, Southold, New York. I thought I heard the statement made that
you were waiting for some sort of(inaudible) from DEC. Did I hear that?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: We are waiting on, yeah, a piece of correspondence from the DEC, that is
correct. We had hoped that it would come in today, I mean yesterday, but it hadn't arrived.
MR. ANDERSON: Is it the practice of this Board that you would take this and then defer to the DEC?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, but it is the practice of the Board to entertain all pertinent
correspondence.
MR. ANDERSON: Okay.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Coordinated review.
MR. ANDERSON: So they will be responding in some fashion?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is correct.
KIERAN CORCORAN, ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY: It is a requirement of our law to forward
the application to the DEC when it is submitted, which the Board did do. The DEC has stated that it
would be submitting a letter, not absolutely necessarily taking a position on the application but giving
its view on the importance of the law. We haven't received that yet.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right, thank you.
MR. KELLY: The DEC has no jurisdiction and that they also indicated that this is an approvable plan,
which needed to be submitted to the DEC.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right. Would anybody else care to address the Board on this matter?
JOHN BETSCH: I am John Betsch. Just one point you didn't mention, Josh, I think xve are waiting
for some information from the DEC. At one point in time, the Trustee's said that they wanted to meet
with the DEC, I think that was in May. They had to postpone the meeting. They had a meeting in June
with the DEC, they came down and talked about it and looked at it and did not come up with the
protective features, they said they could not determine at the time. And they had also in June,
promised some information to the Trustee's about regulations, which nothing ever came. Just for your
information.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Just to make it so that we all tmderstand. We are not looking for the DEC
to tell us what om' decision is. As a matter of practice and we have just received this, and as soon as
we got it we set the hearing. And a determination will be issued by this Board in a timely fashion, you
won't have to, you know, you won't go through eight months of hearings and correspondence. But as
a matter of practice, we do provide opportunity for other agencies to comment and it has proven
effective for us in the past and so we will be receiving a piece of correspondence from the DEC.
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MR. BETSCH: The DEC in Albany or Stony Brook?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Chances are that it will come out of the Regional Directors office. Alright,
thank you very much, Mr. Betsch. Would anyone else care to address the Town Board? Alright.
Does the Board have any questions?
COUNCILMAN ROSS: Just a couple of questions. You indicated that the neighbors have been in
support of it. Was there any opposition at any of the Trustee meetings?
MR. KELLY: No, I don't believe so.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: And ....
MR. KELLY: Which can be verified by the Trustee's Office.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: Whether this is a major or not didn't seem to be contested before the
Trustees. The Trustees said it would apply as a major. Is that an issue?
MR. KELLY: It is an issue if you are looking at the as-of-right argument. If it is as, our argument was
that it is not a major addition because we are not adding on to a house, we are building a total new
construction. Therefore and it is a definitional quirk but it is new construction, not a major addition.
We argued throughout that it wasn't a major addition therefore we have as-of-right. We could apply
as-of-right.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: So if it is not a major, if it is a major you need a variance?
MR. KELLY: Correct.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: If it is not a major, you do not need a variance?
MR. KELLY: Correct.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: And the Trustee's indication that whether it was a major or not was not at
issue, is incorrect ....
JUSTICE EVANS: (Inaudible) new construction ....
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Could we just have one at a time?
COUNCILMAN ROSS: It is an issue as to whether it is a major or not? And the applicant says it is
not a major?
MR. KELLY: Yes, and our argument is they were incorrect in determining it was a major.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Louisa, do you want to make your point?
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COUNCILMAN ROSS: I am not finished yet.
JUSTICE EVANS: I an~ going to ask Kieran this, what does the law say it is supposed to, from
additions versus new construction?
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: If the Trustee's determine that this wasn't a dune
area or primary dune, okay, in primary dunes only non-major additions are allowed without a
variance.
JUSTICE EVANS: So with that being ....
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: Non-major additions, okay?
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: i.e. small additions?
JUSTICE EVANS: Well, it doesn't address that, that is the problem.
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: There is no i.e., it is just not a major.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: Whatever a major addition is.
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: Well a major addition is 25 percent or less as
defined in the code. So, if it is anything but, if you accept that it is a dune area, and that is what you do
accept or reject but if it is a dune area and it is not a non-major addition, it needs a variance and then
you go to the variance criteria.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay, so we have a, our job is fairly well laid out before us, I think what
we should ask of the Town Clerk, to expedite the minutes of this hearing? We can review them over
the weekend. I will call Director Scully's Office today to let him know we need their correspondence
by tomorrow. We can review it all over the ~veekend and we have another meeting on Tuesday and if
we can discuss it with legal counsel and issue a determination at that point.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: Is the DEC going to respond as to what this is? Is that what we are waiting
for from the DEC?
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: I understand that the DEC's position is that it is a
primary dune. That the construction is to be located in the primary dune. But that will reveal itself.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: I know why, in review of the minutes of this meeting, I am sure some
questions will be generated by me and what we will have to do is wade through: are we looking at this
as a variance or are we looking this as overturning the Trustee's position? And I think that is an
important legal decision for us to make and we should do so under the counsel of ....
JUSTICE EVANS: And if we are looking at it as a variance, I know that is our decision to make but
can we look to the Trustee's for their information, as far as how they feel about it? Because they are
much more well-versed as far as the environmental stuff?.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: I think what we should do is ensure that each Board member has the file on
this, from the Trustee's. We should have all of the Trustee's information that they either requested or
generated.
MR. KELLY: With all due respect to that question, I would suggest that that is an inappropriate way
to review...
COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: I agree.
MR. KELLY: If you are sitting as the Appellate Court, if you will, for the lower court, you don't have
discussions with the Judge to see whether you should deny or approve.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, I think ....
JUSTICE EVANS: Well, they didn't have any discussions on variances. They were only granting or
not granting a permit.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: To facilitate this process, excuse me, this is the way it is going to roll out.
To facilitate this process, we are going to have the minutes generated of this hearing. We will have
whatever correspondence necessary from the DEC and we will, each Board member will be supplied
with the information that was given to or generated by the Tmstee's. I think that is, you know, a
completely fair assessment and we should take it up at our work session on Tuesday. It gives
eyeD'body four or five days to review this.
JUSTICE EVANS: Well, do we have an opinion somewhere in here, that is done by a consultant? An
environmental consultant? That the new structure is more environmentally sound than the old
structure?
MR. KELLY: I can tell you, we don't have an experts opinion, I can tell you, plus we now are totally
FEMA compliant in the new construction. You will have the benefit of all the current codes.
COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: So that of the existing structure, everything is being removed?
MR. KELLY: Correct.
COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: Including the foundation?
MR. KELLY: Yes. Because you couldn't build on that foundation now, it would be...
COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: When you complete demolition, before you begin construction again,
there will just be sand as it were?
MR. KELLY: Correct.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: I don't understand, as far as, I mean, I am not weighing in on judgment
here but from a shoreline hardening perspective if that, you know, if a foundation, a foundation closer
to the shoreline is much more detrimental to, or conducive to coastal erosion; then pilings where water
and energy can flow through.
COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: Exactly.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is a scientific fact.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: And there is nothing in the record to indicate, those other houses that were
built, those other houses that were built, that were changed; whether that was by permit or variance?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: We have not ....
MR. KELLY: You have never had a variance for those. That is what I don't understand, I don't quite
understand how all that construction got approved, to tell you the truth. I believe that the Pearlstein's
got a as-of-right permit, without a variance, from the Trustee's. I don't know, this one I think I was
told that Vali maybe preceded the Chapter 37 of the code but these others are recent. This one was
under construction as of the fall. So ....
SUPERVISOR HORTON: This Board has not seen, at least on my tenure on the Board, we have not
seen this type of hearing in regard to Chapter 37 since I have been here.
MR. KELLY: So, I can only speculate that either they got permits or they didn't get permits. But they
are under construction.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, this is about this property, not that property.
MR. BETSCH: Can I just make two points that haven't come up? This is John Betsch. Both the
Southold Town Code and the DEC allow a 20 percent coverage or footprint. So by code, I would be
allowed to have almost 5,400 square foot house. The fact that I am starting with something small,
penalizes me. I could build, you know, I don't want to build a 5,500 square foot house. That is
ridiculous. That is one point, which has never come into play in discussion, I tried to present that to
the Trustee's. The second point about exceeding FEMA, I am going to do several things, just for my
own benefit. There is a FEMA code on height, I am going to exceed that height by a certain
percentage because it helps my insurance rates and I will, of course ....
JUSTICE EVANS: Wood pilings ....
MR. BETSCH: .... a certain requirement, I do not have to be, they call it, I think it is 10 foot. But it is
very hard to understand, 10 foot is not 10 foot this way because it is based on the coastal (inaudible). I
am going to exceed that and I am going to exceed the insurance codes for both, you know, the coastal,
we call it the Miami-Dade codes, with the windows and everything. Just for my own practicability.
Alright? So there are several things that I am going to exceed and should help, you know, the erosion
and everything else, the pilings.
November 4, 2004 12
Public Hearing--Betsch Appeal
SUPERVISOR HORTON: We have got a lot of information available to us and I think we should
reserve decision till Tuesday, so we can review all of the information.
MR. KELLY: Of course.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Did you have something else to add?
MR. KELLY: No that is fine.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay, thank you. Then we will close this hearing. Thank you for your
time.
Moved by Supervisor Horton, seconded by Councilman Ross, it was
RESOLVED that this hearing be and hereby is declared closed, reserving decision, at 9:40 A.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Southold Town Clerk
Town Board
Town of Southold
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
October 28, 2004
John and Dolores Betsch have been our good neighbors in Southold for about five years.
As good neighbors, my wife and I will not protest, if the Town Board approves a variance
on their proposed expansion. Should you have any questions, please feel fi~e to call us at
(63 I) 765-4937.
Sincerely,
Helen and Jo as
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Att: Tracy Karash Palumbo
We will be out of town for the November 4th 2004
town Board hearing regarding subject appplication. We would like to express our feelings.
We are long time property owners here. We recently moved to Southold across the street from
the Betsch's property. We do not have any objection to their building a home on that site.
Mr and Mrs Donald J. Vazquez
2360 North Sea Drive
Southold, NY 11971
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Southold, New York 11971-09~9
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Fax (631) 765-1366
August18,2004
BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Mr. John F. Betsch
3 Wincester Lane,
Huntington, N.Y. 11743
Via Certified Mail
Re: JOHN BETSCH
2325 NORTH SEA DRIVE, SOUTHOLD
SCTM# 54-04-24
Dear Mr. Betsch:
The Board of Trustees took the following action dudng its regular meeting held on
Wednesday, Au.gust 18, 2004 regarding the above matter:
WHEREAS, JOHN BET$CH applied to the Southold Town Trustees for a permit under
the provfsions of the Wetland Ordinance under Chapter 97 of the Town Wetland Code
and Chapter 37 of the Town Code of the Town of Southold, application dated October
17, 2003, and
WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Conservation Advisory
Council for their findings and recommendations, and,
WHEREAS, at the November 19, 2003 meeting the Trustees advised the applicant that
25% ~xpansion to an existing home is not allowed under Chapter 37 in a DUNE area,
under 37-16, and, that Chapter 37 would not allow a permit to be granted for this
project, and,
WHEREAS the permit was the subject of several hearings, and,
WHEREAS, a Public Hearing was held by the Town Trustees with respect to said
application on August 18, 2004, at which time ali interested persons were given an
opportunity to be heard, and,
WHEREAS, the Board members have personally viewed and are familiar with the
premises in question and the surrounding area, and,
WHEREAS, this application is for a MAJOR ADDITION in the Coastal Erosion Hazard
Area, as defined in Chapter 37, and,
WHEREAS, under Chapter 37 MAJOR ADDITIONS are not permitted in certain areas
of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas, and,
WHEREAS, the Applicant and his attorney have stated the permit is for a "MAJOR
ADDITION" as defined by Chapter 37-6, Definitions, and,
WHEREAS, the Trustees find the application is for, among other things, a "MAJOR
ADDITION", after review of the submitted detailed plan, and,
WHEREAS, the proposed activity is to occur in the DUNE AREA adjacent to Long
Island Sound, and,
WHEREAS, under Chapter 37-16:C "All ether activities and developments in dune
areas are prohibited unless specifically provided for by this Chapter" and,
WHEREAS, a MAJOR ADDITION in a DUNE AREA is not specifically provided for
under Chapter 37, and,
WHEREAS, the Board has considered all the testimony and documentation submitted
concerning this~application, and,
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Board of Trustees DENY WITHOUT
PREJUDICE the application of JOHN BET$CH to construct a two-story single-family
dwelling with a two-car garage in place of the existing one-story, two-car garage and
dwelling, and to be built on wood pilings because of the above reasons and
determinations,
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this determination should not be considered a
determination made for any other Department or Agency, which may also have an
application pending for the same or similar project.
Very truly yours,
AIbert J. Krupski, Jr.
President, Board of Trustees
AJK: hct
Cc: Kieran Corcoran, Assistant Town Attorney, and Town of Southold
E. Brownell Johnston, Assistant Town Attorney
· · ·
Albert 0'~ Krupski, President
(,James fling, Vice-President
~rtie Foster
BOARD OF TOWN T~USTEES
TOTM OF SOUTHOLD
Town Hall
63095 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631) 765-1892
Fax (631) 765-1366
Office Use Only
Coastal Erosion Perm/t Application
etland Permit Application Major . Minor
Waivcr/Amenclrn~n~go~
' Rece-'~vcd Applica~o~.'~
--Received Fee:$ '-~ * ·
¢omp etea ^pplicsUonIi' lO
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__SEQRA Classification:
Type I .Type H Unlisted
Coordination:(date sent).t~,.,_.L,._~-
__CAC Referral Sent: [~) I {'1. l {L,O
Date of Inspection: !-t !(~1/~ 0~
Receipt of CAC Report:
Lead Agency Determination:
Technical Review: ~
Z?ublicHeamgHeld: II llrq !~ '
Resolution:
Name of Applicant
Address ,~)
Phone Number:(
Suffolk County Tax Map Number: 1000- ,SL
Property Location:
(provide LILCO Pole #, distance to cross streets, and location)
AGENT: ~-~.%Zdr: ,h
(If applicable)
Address: t.!5~I0~
Phone:
Board of Trustees Application
Land Area (in square feet):
GENERAL DATA
Area Zoning:.
Previous use of property:
Intended use of property:
Prior permits/approvals for site improvements:
Agency Date
X No prior permits/approvals for site improvements.
Has any permit/approval ever been revoked or suspended by a governmental agency?
~ No__ Yes
If yes, provide explanation.~
Project Description (use attachments if necessary): ~O~sV~c~o ~ ~-~z ~0
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Board of Trustees Application
COASTAL EROSION APPLICATION DATA
Purposes of proposed activity:
Are wetlands present within 100 feet of the proposed activity?
No X' Yes
Does the project involve excavation or filling?
No X Yes
If Yes, how much material will be excavated? (cubic yards)
How much material will be filled? ,'¢/~/?f ~,~/~'5~ . (cubic yards)
Manner in which material will be removed or deposited:T~
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Describe the nature and extent of the environmental impacts reasonably anticipated resulting
from implementation of the project as proposed. (Use attachments if necessary)
Board of Trustees Application
WETLAND/TRUSTEE LANDS APPLICATION DATA
Purpose ofthe proposed operations: ~k3C~l~ g~MIC-q. ~ %'x-N IC~ 0~.
Area of wetlands on lot: ~/'~'~-'0. square feet
Percent coverage of lot: ] ~ %
Closest distance between nearest existing structure aad upland
edge of wetlands: ~ ~ feet
Closest distance between nearest proposed structure and upland
edge of wetlands: feet
Does the project involve excavation or filling?
No × Yes
If yes, how much material will be excavated?
How much material will be filled? ~,~
cubic yards
cubic yards
Depth of which material will be removed or deposited: c~-O~ ' feet
Proposed slope throughout the area of operations: I~/J.O
Manner in which material will be removed or deposited: 'D~h"~4
Statement of the effect, if any, on the wetlands and tidal waters of the town that may result by
reason of such proposed operations (use attachments if appropriate):
NOTICE TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER
BOARD OF TRUSTEESt TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
In the matter of applicant:
YOU ARE HEREBY GIVEN NOTICE:
1. That it is the intention of the undersigned to request a
Permit from the Board of Trustees to: 00ko%v~r f~ kg~tO gt-$~M ~-C/%-~
2. That the property which is the subject of Environmental
Review--is located adjacent to your property and is described as
follows:
3. That the project which is subject to Environmental Review
under Chapters 32, 37, or 97 of the Town Code is open to public
comment on: ~OU, lq,~O~_You may contact the Trustees Office at
765-1892 or in ~ri%ing.
The above referenced proposal is under review of the Board of
Trustees of the Town of Southold and does not reference any
other agency that might have to review same proposal.
OWNERS NAME:
MAILING ADDRESS:
M~Ot31-i Ic.T_~vO~
PHONE #: 6~%-~qg-%%~q
Enc.: Copy of sketch or plan showing proposal for your
convenience.
JOHN COSTELLO: I will re-stake it. Then you can review it. Have it
congenient upon a new set of plans. I will give you a new set of plans. I
will draw it with the rock. On the last twenty feet. I will also angle that
retum so it does not have a dght angle abutment. That could scour.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Okay.
JOHN COSTELLO: I will submit those plans.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Any other comment I will make a Motion to close
the headng.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.' All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to Approve the application for Peter Bogovic for a
124 foot retaining wall with the last 20 feet armored with stone and
approved subject to a new set of plans. All the debris be removed from
the location. Four foot extension landward of the catwalk that is existing.
Do I have a seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUSKt: All in favor. ALL AYES.
10. Agnieszka Drozdowska on behalf of JOHN BETSCH requests a
Wetland Permit and Coastal Erosion to construct a new two story three
bedroom - 2 car garage (in place of the existing one story - two car
garage) the new structure will be built on wood pilings in compliance with
FEMA. Located: 2325 North Sea Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#54-04-24
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of
this application:
JOHN BETSCH: I am John Betsch the owner of the property.
I am here to let you know if you have any specific questions that I can
answer them. My architect Frank Notaro is here if you have any technical
questions about the specific construction. It really is the replacement of a
summer house and making it a permanent structure and then I can move
out to Southold.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Are there any other comments? It shows on here
that the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line running down the read on the
survey. The Coastal Erosion Law is pretty clear and I took another look at
the house today. That non-major additions are prohibited in the dune area
of the structural hazard area. So this would really exceed that as a non-
major additions is defined as twenty five percent of the existing. So this
really exceeds that under the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line.
JOHN BETSCH: I do not understand your question. The fact that the
house is 100 some feet from the water and in place of existing structure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Under Coastal Erosion I think that they would
consider it to be on the dune. I would consider it to be a primary dune.
Under Chapter 37 Coastal Erosion· It is seaward of the Coastal Erosion
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Hazard Line. Certainly. it would be considered a major addition. Under
the definitions it is a major addition. In addition to a structure resulting in a
twenty five percent increase greater than the ground cover of the
structure. That would certainly fall in this guide of Chapter 37.
JOHN BETSCH: At the moment there are two houses which are being
completed on the same side of my street. A third house which has just
been demolished to be rebuilt. Which I assume was approved by the
same trustee board. II would think that the Coastal Erosion Line would not
change drastically as it goes down the road.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Honestly, I do not know in those locations where
the line would be.
JOHN BETSCH: As well as directly across the street. There is a house
being built.
TRUISTEE KRUPSKh But that is behind the Coastal Erosion.
JOHN BETSCH: Facing a Pond.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is Lily Pond.
JOHN BETSCH. So I am a little confused so that I cannot touch this
because of Coastal Erosion?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh It is a Town Code Chapter 37. You can come in
and get a copy. It would not be considered anything greater than twenty
five percent addition of the ground .area. I do not know what percentage
this is? Assuming by looking at it that it is greater than twenty five
percent.
JOHN BETSCH: The existing house is so tiny. You are saying that I
cannot change any of the existin, g house.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh The~ way that I read the Code. I could be wrong.
We__.brought this up on our'~d inspection. I Iookea at-the Code in the
office. I do not know if the Boaro nas looked at the Code. The way that I
inter"~mpt tl~e Code ii that you would be allowed a twenty five percent
expansion of the land area there only.
JOHN BETSCH: The expansion on a house that is only 750 feet dght
now.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Whatever it is.
TRUSTEE KING: About two hundred feet.
JOHN BETSCH: What are the alternatives?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh You can take a look at the Code. Your agent can
take a look at the Code. For whatever reason you do not consider that to
be a dune area or Coastal Hazard area. I believe it to be. But we can
take a look at this again and consider what it can be. But it is definitely
seaward of the Coastal Erosion line. Normally that Coastal Erosion Line is
further seaward. This is in the road.
JOHN BETSCH: The first thing that I would do is verifying that. It is
strange that the Coastal Erosion Line is in the middle of the road.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh We thought that was first. We did not think it was
on there. Because we have never seen that on the road.
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TRUSTEE KING: When we got them we thought that they might be close
to the line. We may have to move it back. Never realized that it is the
middle of the road. I would never have thought of such a thing. Until you
see Jt in black and white.
FRANK NOTARO: Excuse me, I am Frank Notaro, the architect. We have
been in discussion with the Building Department in terms of how to best
address this. This issue never came up prior nor did it come up with our
surveyor either. I am a little perplexed? Only because them is a parking
lot which pretty much exceeds towards the water, John's property. It just
does not make sense. Here is John's dune. Then there is this entire
· ,parking lot next door. Was them no affect of the Coastal Erosion line at
that parking lot at all. Obviously them is no remenents of what was them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Probably was put in long before. This is a State
Code that the Town adopted in 1991. It is very recent.
FRANK NOTARO: Basically what we have done is to make every attempt
to,,
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So we would be happy to review this with you.
Just to have the State verify with you. What they think is or is not a
Coastal Hazard area. Before you change the house plans.
FRANK NOTARO: It just does not make sense in terms how changed the
adjacent area to the house is.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is something that we saw. It is routine with us
any sound property where is the Coastal Erosion Line.
FRANK NOTARO: We did not see that line either
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh It is parallel with the road. It drifts through the
.property.
MR. JOHNSTON: Did you challenge the surveyor if that is where it was?
FRANK NOTARO: We~lJd..and they~id ~i~ai. ii. w~l~ verified [here. We
saw it on the survey and we called John Ehlem and he said that it was on
the survey and he pointed it out.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How do you want to pursue this?
TRUSTEE KING: I would suggest tabling it.
MR. JOHNSTON: Tabling it and submit further information.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Try to get another opinion on this. I would call the
"State.
FRANK NOTARO: The Betsch's house is wedged in between Mc Cann
Road. All you need it on the other side and how can you have any dune
4eft.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh We will take a look at it. Contact the State. You
'can call Charlotte.
FRANK NOTARO: Maybe we can get them down there. To take a walk
through. Basically where the house is right now. It relates more not to
the actually wetland area per say. The type of vegetation that is there.
Definitely a dune line is maybe fifty or seventy five feet towards the water.
Which I assumed was where the action was. We have a parking lot right
next door to us.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I was reading through the Code. If it is a secondary
dune.
FRANK NOTARO: You can see where it contours. There is substantial
contour change by the water. It kind of levels out.
TRUSTEE KRUUSKh We will take a look at it and consult with the State
and see what happens.
FRANK NOTARO: We will give them a call..
JOHN BETSCH: You are saying that you will call.
FRANK NOTARO: We are saying that we will both will call.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I will make a Motion to Table the application.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES
11. Suffolk Environmental Consulting, Inc. on behalf of AMELIA
MENDOZA requests a Wetland and Coastal Erosion Permit to re-
vegetate 4,900 sq. feet of disturbed area within the seaward edge of limit
of clearing and disturbance and the landward edge of top of bluff, with
Rosa rugosa (2 gallon pots). Located: 38015 Main Road, Orient, NY
SCTM#15-2-15,1
TRUSTEE KING: Anyone want to comment on this application?
MATT IVES: Yes, Matt Ives,. Suffolk Environmental Consulting. I have
brought you the affidavits.
TRUSTEE KING: Any other comments on this application? I will make a
Motion to Close the hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to Approve the clearing plan as submitted.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES
MATT IVES: Thank you.
Samuels & Steelman Architects on behalf of SETH & BARBARA
EICHLER request a Wetland Permit to add second floor to existing single
story frame house, to construct new two car garage, and new in ground
pool also to include repair of existing wood steps on bluff and deck.
Located: 17915 Soundview Avenue, Southold, NY SCTM#51-01-06
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Is there anyone here who would like to speak
to this application?
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utilizing vinyl sheathing, to reconstruct in-place, two 50' timber groins utilizing
vinyl sheathing, to reconstruct in-place, two timber jetties (60' and 50') utilizing
vinyl sheathing, and to dredge an existing 55'X 115' boat basin to -4 ALW. The
resultant spoil, 300 cy. of sand, shall be utilized as backfill for the reconstructed
bulkheading as needed, and to reconstruct in-kind/in-place, 4,000 sq.ft, existing
timber walks. Located: 5900-6000 Vanston Rd., Cutchogue. SCTM#118-1~2
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Is there anyone who would like to speak on behalf of
this application?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKr: For the record, I'm recusing myself on this.
GLENN JUST: I'm here for Christopher Pla and I also have Eugene Burger from
· Burger Construction who is Mr. Pia's general contractor on the remodeling of the
house here if there are any questions. I think when we met there last week, Mr.
King and Mr. Poliwoda had asked that the one section of bulkhead behind the
greenhouse that we proposed to reconstruct inkind/inplace, perhaps use rock
instead and Mr. Pla and Mr. Burger are fine with that.
TRUSTEE KING: How would that change the footage on the timber bulkhead?
GLENN JUST: 164' is the distance down there.
TRUSTEE KING: So it would be 937 minus the 164.
GLENN JUST: Exactly,
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: When we took a walk to the entrance of the channel, to
the north side, that piece...
GLENN JUST: Oh, there was a 25' return that angled back and it had been in
disrepair and inter-tidal marsh had grown behind it and Ken had asked when we
walked out there that day if we could replace it with rock, but on the landward
side, the inter-tidal marsh, there would be no problem with that either. The one
thing I did not include in the plans is that when we were at the site, along the side
of the boat basin, there was some old bulkhead that was totally non-functional,
it's just tie rods and deadmen, and they don't want to reconstruct that but they
want permission to remove that debds from the marsh there.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Have you depicted the rock on the new survey?.
GLENN JUST: It will be with you tomorrow. It's at the printer now.
TRUSTEE KING: And the old remnants of the old bulkhead, whatever is there,
will be removed?
GLENN JUST: Yes.
TRUSTEE KING: It will just be a single few of stone along the toe?
GLENN JUST: Yes. And there also had been an application for a duck blind on
the property, which I had spoke to Ken when we walked out on the spit out there.
Would pitch pines work Ken? It wouldn't even be a permanent blind. It's on
private property.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It's a structure so it should be included.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: And you wanted to do the roof of the boathouse?
EUGENE BURGER: It just needs to be re-shingled.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Does that need to be on here also?
GLENN JUST: I think that was the questions we had in the field. I don't know if
that's something that would come under the Trustee's jurisdiction or not. If
needed, I can include it in a modified project description tomorrow.
JOHN BETSCH: The resolution is dated June 25, 1997.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I'll make a motion to Table the application.
JOHN BETSCH: Before you close it, I'm not sure...what would you like me to
do?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKt: You have to consider all you're options. We'll take another
look at this in the field in January just to familiarize ourselves again with the
dunes or the bluff, or whatnot, but we'll also look into the Peadstein file as well. In
the meantime, I suggest you look into your options. Take a look at the fax we just
got, that I read tonight, you can get a copy of that from the office, and get a copy
of the Code and take a look through that. You can see your options as far as
appealing to the Town Board.
JOHN BETSCH: Not to be facetious but he just reiterated the Code back into the
letter. That wasn't exactly our conversation the way he explained it to me about
the words we had vs. what he read back, but I appreciate it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Thank you. Do I have a motion to Table?
TRUSTEE KING: So moved.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. ALL AYES
8. J.M.O. Environmental Consulting Services on behalf of GEORGE KAYTIS
requests a Wetland Permit to resheathe, on the landward side, 125' of timber
bulkhead, to reconstruct a 2'X 15' stairway, a 4'X 8'6" stairway, an 8'× 14'6" deck
and shed, and to construct a 10'X 15' deck landward of the bulkhead. Located:
3740 Paradise Point Rd., Southold. SCTM#81-3-28
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Is there anyone here who would like to comment on this
application? If not, I'll comment because I visited the site this past week. I
couldn't see any reason to deny, other than the shed, it actually sticks out
seaward of the bulkhead. It's uncharacteristic compared to the neighboring
property. I would appreciate seeing the shed pulled back behind the bulkhead.
GLENN JUST: I was going to bring that up tonight. I actually got a phone call
from Chris Arfsten of the DEC and he said the same thing, if the shed and the
deck could be relocated landward of the bulkhead. Actually they had suggested
that a 4'X 4' landing seaward of the bulkhead for the stairs down the beach, if we
pulled everything back. I was agreeable to that but I wanted to speak to you guys
tonight.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That's fine. We'll stipulate that. If there are no other
comments, I'll make a motion to close the public hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKRSON: Seconded. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I'll make a motion to Approve the application to
resheathe on the landward side, 125' of timber bulkhead, to reconstruct a 2'X 15'
stairway, and a 4'X 8'6" stairway, an 8'X 14' deck and the shed, as well as deck
will be constructed behind the bulkhead, with a 4'X 4' platform with stairs leading
to the beach for access, and all on a new set of plans.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. ALL AYES
9. J.M.O. Environmental Consulting Services on behalf of CHRISTOPHER PlA
requests a Wetland Permit to reconstruct in-place, 937' of timber bulkhead
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JOHN BETSCH: 1800 sq.ft. The square footage that I'm in now, you've seen the
house, I have to change it and put it on pilings, so it would have to be tom down
to do that. The house was explained, to leave a little bit and it becomes an
alteration vs. a new house...that's playing games. The house is not worth it to
start with. To build the garage in the front, I think that hurts the neighborhood
aesthetics. If you look at the. pictures of Mr. V~)nZuben's house, there have been
many, many comments ~:romthe neighbors about what he is going to do with
:that. It appears very close to the read. He must have gotten a ZBA approval for
that. Irs just not aesthetically proper. Maybe it meets the rules and the intent of
· the regulations but it is a very large...Mr. VonZuben did go very high end on
everything in his house, rll definitely say that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, what's the Board's feeling on this?
JOHN BETSCH: Just two other points I would like to make. The letter from the
DEC talked about the scale being wrong. What had happened, just to clarify it,
the survey was created and then a second survey was created by John Ahters
adding the septic system plan and he reduced the drawing without reducing the
scale markings on it. That was just an oversight. I have both drawings with
drywells and such. There was one other question. I did talk to the permit advisor
to understand the differences between non-jurisdiction and a permit to see if
there were pros or cons either way and it's really just an administrative technique
in which way to go with you. We had contours put on and I don't think the
contours have changed. The only thing that's changed on my beach with this
latest winter storm, there has been some reduced sand that's all blown up onto
my property. I did go down today and the way here just to measure out of
curiosity and my vegetation still is 76' from the edge of my deck, soit still has not
changed at all. It's really just cut into the beach area. With the change of
seasons, it really just comes and goes.
TRUSTEE KING: My comment is I'm very sympathetic to him because I look at
this area and the size of the houses that are here.
JOHN BETSCH: This is a picture of another house on my block. (inaudible)
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We wouldn't have jurisdiction in 1991. Mr. Betsch, I don't
see where we can deviate really from the 25% and whether we classify this as a
dune or whether we classify it as a beach...before we go any further with new
plans or whatever, there is an appeals process on our decision for coastal
erosion, which is the Town Board, so if you wanted to appeal that decision, but I
want to be straight-forward with you and I don't want to get you into a run around
where you find out about the appeals process in three or four months. So, you
should have all your options in front of you.
JOHN BETSCH: Could I ask you to potentially research the house next door to
me, which was a more than 25% increase too?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Peadstein, yes.
JOHN BETSCH: I did not find in the Trustees information that I copied, notes that
talked about special things. It was just an approval.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What year was that?
JOHN BETSCH: 1997.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, we will look into that.
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where things ended but he did not come back to me with an answer. He said he
had to respond to the Town. We also had discussed about whether or not the
Coastal Erosion Hazard line is proper. He said I could appeal to have it moved,
but to have a Coastal Erosion Hazard line moved, I would have to have all of
North Sea Dr. moved because there is no way it's going to go like this and go
back in. The likelihood of them saying or changing something is...I think that's
moot. If there are any other additional questions...there are several houses, and
I showed some pictures, some have been...and I tried to understand how the
rational so what was done to have them approved or not, particularly the one
next door to me, Mr. Peadstein, which is very close to me, dght next door, what
was approved vs. mine to see if I could follow his logic to get the Board's
approval.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don't remember Mr. Peadstein for some reason, but I did
review three others along the stretch there on North Sea Dr. and one I don't
think, VonZuben maybe, seemed to be a substantial house to start with. I don't
think there was substantial change in footprint.
JOHN BETSCH: Mr. VonZuben's house did primarily stay with the same
footprint, if you will. He cantilevered so much it was a little bit off on each side,
however he did build a garage, which was proposed as a 300 sq. ft. garage, and
wound up being a 588 sq. ft. garage from his site plans, which is within the
Coastal Erosion zone, on the wrong side, so I didn't know...I was trying to
understand how that...the plans say one thing...the numedcs on the plan say
300 sq. ft. but when you look at their footage they have down there, it's really 588
sq.ft. That was another one. He also presented to me that maybe I could move
the garage to make it easier to bring my footprint down smaller to put it in front of
the house but aesthetically for the neighborhood, I don't think it's a proper thing
to do. I cannot put it under the house to reduce the square footage because the
height of my area is such that the Code says I should be so far up on pilings. As
it goes to Kenny's Rd., I guess it goes down and that those houses are up 15' up,
if you will, and can put a garage underneath. So that's the rational of how we
came up with it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The other ones I reviewed in the office. The Coastal
Erosion line, they were substantially behind the Coastal Erosion line and it cut
through the houses.
JOHN BETSCH: They moved. The three houses, from the time, next to Kenny's
Beach, from the time the aerial photograph was taken, before I was a resident
there, they were moved. But, those properties are considerably longer than mine.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Now I did have a discussion with Mr. McDonough and one
of his suggestions was that, and I never had any discussion with the Board yet
because it was right after lunch, but what is the square footage of your current
house?
JOHN BETSCH: The present square footage is 1152 sq.ft.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And then if you put a second story addition on that and
added 25% it would still represent a substantial increase in size and would that
not be adequate for you?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: What's the size of the proposed addition?
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larger house on this site end wanted to know more about the specit';c natural
protective feature that exists on his property and how the associated regulations
might affect his development plans for the property. I discussed some aspect of
the CEHA regulations with him, including how the CEHA line was mapped and a
reconstruction or an increase of 25% or greater in ground coverage is prohibited
and would require a variance; I explained to him thet any addition to the pre-
existing structure, including a minor addition less than 25% would have to meet
the standards of issuance for a CEHA permit, which would likely locate the
addition away from the seaward side of the house, in the least damaging
location, in terms of protecting the natural pro~ective feature. A reconstruction or
major addition would require a variance and would have to meet ali the variance
tests including.for hardship. A variance could be issued for reconstruction of a
structure provided that the following criteria are met: 1) no reasonable, prudent,
aitemative site is available, 2) all responsible means and measures to mitigate
adverse impacts on natural systems and the functions and protective values
have been incorporated i~o the project design and will be implemented at the
developers expense, 3) the development will be reasonably safe from t~ood and
eroding damage, 4) the variance requested is the minimum necessary to
overcome the practical dift';culty or hardship, which is the basis for requesting it,
and 5) when public funds are utilized, public benefits clearly out weigh the iong
term adverse affects of any proposed acti~ies and developments. Upon
requesting a variance the applicant will need to provide to the Town, information
relevant to meeting the variance criteria. The department looks forward to the
· opportunity to continuing to work with and assist the Town of Southold in
administering the Coastal Erosion Hazard Area regulations and protecting the
Towns coastal resources. If you have any additional questions about this or any
other coastal management, p/ease contact me. Now, 1 had a conversation with
Mr. McDonough also and he was under the impression, as he said in the letter,
that it was either a Iow dune or the beach, but in either case it would result in the
same sort of restriction on rebuilding. Either or, whichever the State and the
Board decided to classify it as, it wouldn't matter.
JOHN BETSCH: Except that, in trying to understand the definitions of primary
dune and secondary dune, it talks about the landward toe. In trying to understand
what toe meant, and he said the landward toe is where it begins to go down on
the landward side.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, at the end of where it goes down.
JOHN BETSCH: Implying that it comes from the beach, it goes up to a dune, and
starts to go down again.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Which would be about the road.
JOHN BETSCH: Except my property, on the survey I supplied, it comes up from
the beach and goes straight across. In our discussion, he said it's probably a
bluff.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think it's either a dune or a beach, but it's kind of a subtle
difference.
JOHN BETSCH: I had taxed him my site survey to show the topographical
marking on it to see if he could tell from those markings where things began and
permanent. Therefore, if your client wishes to further pursue a non-jurisdiction
determination, winter elevations must be added to the project plan. Be advised
that a non-ju~sdiction letter may not be approved even after the submission,
however the department finds the proposed project to be generally approvable
should your client chose to pursue a permit. In order to pursue a permit, the
fo/lowing information must be submitted. Please provide the percent adjacent
area coverage for the existing and proposed structures and paved areas. As you
are aware, pursuant to the development restrictions of 6NYCRR Part 661.6A4,
Tidal Wetland Regulations, not more than 20% of a lot may be covered existing
and new structures. Therefore this information is requested to ensure that the
new structure will not exceed the maximum allowable coverage. You must show
the coastal erosion hazard line on the plan. Regardless of the option, your client
chooses the scale is incorrect and the plan is 1 ~ to 20'. The scale must be
corrected. Additionally, the apparent high water line as shown on the survey is
inaccurate. The department staff found that the apparent high waterline is
located 98' from the existing deck. Please correct the plans and resubmit five
copies. That's from the DEC. The fax I received today from Robert McDonough I
will now read. Ms. Cha#otte Cunningham representing the Town of Southold
contacted this office requesting information regarding the designation of the
natural protective in the coastal erosion hazard area within the Town. She
indicated that you were interested in finding out which coastal feature existed as
the basis for the natural protective feature area designation for the stretch of land
along North Sea Dr., located just west of the Town Beach parking area. The
properties found along this stretch of coastline are bounded by the Long Island
Sound and the Coastal Erosion Hazard line, which runs along the edge of North
Sea Dr. I have reviewed ares photography and files for the Town of Southold in
an attempt to identify distinguishing characteristics of a certain area. i found it
difficult to ascertain which natural protective feature exists. After looking at aerial
photography from 1983 to 2001, it appea~.t_h_a_t__the area is ei~her.a.be~ch or a
prim~DL~d_u_n_~e. .In the case that it was determined to be a prfmary dune, the
Coastal Erosion Hazard Area line wouldYe been established 25' from the
landward toe of the dune. If the feature is considered a beach, the Coastal
Erosion Hazard Area line wouldVe been established 100' landward from the
place where there is marked change in material of physiographic form, from the
line of permanent vegetation, which is more seaward. Idenfification of the natural
protective feature can be determined in such time that an appeal is made by an
effected property owner challenging that the subject area was erroneously
identified as a natural protective feature area, as written in 6NYCRR Part 505.10,
Coastal Erosion Management Regulations. If an appeal is fited, the department
wi//arrange a site visit in order to determine the natural protective feature that
exists and whether or not the line has been propedy p/aced, otherwise I will
provide you with an answer after the next occasion the department staff is in the
vicinity to distinguish which natural protective feature is found is that location.
Mr. Betsch, the owner of the property adjacent to the beach parking area has
also contacted the department for additional information about the CEHA
designation. Mr. Betsch indicated that he was interested in reconstructing a
an option or a consideration I can consider. Of these 20 houses I spoke of, I am
aware of five that have been built, re-built, or considerably altered in recent
history as late as being worked on today down the road. I enclosed in that
booklet some pictures of these houses as well as the Southold Town tax records
to document the increase in percentages of those rebuilding. I discussed the
definitions of the coastal management regulations provided by the DEC, and they
gave me this blue book, which I believe the Southold Town Code is based upon,
with Rob McDonough of the DEC in Albany. There are several definitions that are
pertinent to my request but in discussion with Mr. McDonough, he said it
appeared that the area that my house is in, is more of a bluff area, rather
than...and we had discussed at the last meeting, calling it a dune, more of a bluff
~area rather than a dune, even though there is no precipitous or steep bluff like
Horton's Point Lighthouse drop. I would like to read just the definitions from that
Code. Bluff means any bank or cliff with precipitous or steeply faced slope facing
the adjoining beach or property. McDonough said that does not necessarily have
to be. The limit of{he bluff is the landward limit of the seaward protective feature.
Where there are no beaches present, the seaward limit of the bluff is to mean Iow
water. So, to make it easier to define, t am going to say there is no beach in front
of my house, just to make it easier to understand. Therefore, the landward limit
is 25' landward of the bluff's receding edge, or in cases where there is no line of
erosion to identify the receding edge 25' landward to the point of inflection at the
top of the bluff, and they define the point of inflection along the top of the bluff,
where the trend of land slope changes the dissent to the beach. So the bluff
begins where my vegetation ends, where my sea-grass ends. Based on this
definition, and discussing it with Mr. McDonough, it appears that my house is not
within a bluff. In addition, yesterday I received a letter from the NYSDEC Division
of Environmental Permit Region 1 and I won't bother reading the entire letter
except for one sentence, which is pertinent tonight. It says that the Department
finds the proposed project to be generally approvable should your client chose to
pursue a permit. The letter goes on to explain that not more than 20% of a lot
may be covered and in this case that would mean 20% would be 5400 sq.ft.
because I have a 26,000 sq. ft. lot and explains the next steps to be taken. I
have one more set of pictures, which unfortunately I was not able to make
copies, which shows the vegetation in the front and side of my house as well as
the McCabes Beach parking lot, which is next to me and extends much further
down towards the beach than my area. If I can address any questions you might
have I would be more than happy to.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Could I get a copy of that DEC letter?. Thank
you.
E. BROWNELL JOHNSTON: If you don't have an extra copy I can make one.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. I have a fax I received today from Robert
McDonough and I have not read that yet. The DEC has reviewed your client's
request for a tidal wet/ands non-jurisdiction determination for the above-
referenced property and we have the fo/lowing comments. The department staff
has inspected the site and has determined that due to the dynamic nature of this
changing shore#ne, it cannot be determined if the 10' elevation contour line is
ANN CLEMENTS: What about setback and stuff?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: That's the Zoning Board of Appeals and Building Dept.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I'm going to ask the applicant to provide us with drywells
and guttere to contain the roof run-off. You can just put them on the plans later. I
don't know of you want hay bales here.
JONATHAN FOSTER: The DEC suggested hay bales or something during
construction.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh If there is no other comment, do I have a motion to close
the hearing?
TRUSTEE KING: So moved.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I'll make a motion to Approve the application with the
condition that drywells be installed to contain the roof run-off and that the line of
hay bales be placed at the top of the bluff during construction.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. ALL AYES
Agnieszka Drozkowska on behalf of JOHN F. BETSCH requests a Wetland
Permit and Coastal Erosion Permit to construct a two-story single-family dwelling
with a two-car garege in place of the existing one-story, two-car garege and
dwelling, and to be built on wood pilings. Located: 2325 North Sea Dr., Southold.
SCTM#54-4-24
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like to speak in favor of the application?
JOHN BETSCH: I'm John Betsch. At the November 17th meeting, I had
presented my request to rebuild and replace my 55 year-old summer bungalow
with my new pdmary residence and that meeting you had Tabled it for additional
information. You had suggested I.contact the DEC, which I contacted the DEC
both on Albany and in Stony Brook and they provided me with an aerial map
showing the location of the Coastal Erosion line. I annotated with the present
ownere and I made copies to make it easier for you to see. You can see that the
Coastal Erosion line on that very first page is basically the road, North Sea Dr.,
and only as it approaches Kenny's Beach at the other end of my property, and
I'm close to McCabes Beach, that it begins to gradually cross into some of the
property lots as North Sea Dr. becomes in a more southerly direction. As shown
on that aerial map, there are 21 houses and four undeveloped lots on what I
would call the north side of North Sea Dr. Of these 21 houses, 20 are on the
seaward side of that coastal erosion line on that map. Since that map was
photogrephed, I believe three houses closest to Kenny's Beach have been
moved. Unfortunately it is not possible for me from where the location of the
coastal erosion line is on my aerial. In my present spot though, since my house
was built 55 years ago, my summer has faced numerous hurricanes and storms.
I remember Donna in 1960 and the good old perfect storm in 1991. There has
been no appreciable damage to my house or property to speak of and while it
has not been pertinent to the Board, 1 would like to note that just due to the age
and proper maintenance, this 55 year-old bungalow is in need of significant
repair due to proper maintenance from it's original owner, and is also built on a
cement block foundation, which makes the option of building on this structure not
Albert J. Krupski, President
James King, Vice4President
Artie Foster
Ken Po]iwoda
Peggy A. Dickerson
Town Hall
· ~.' 53095 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631) 765-1892
Fax (631) 765-1366
BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MINUTES
Wednesday, April 21, 2004
7:00 PM
Present were: Albert J. Krupski, Jr., President
James King, Vice-President
Artie Foster, Trustee
Kenneth Poliwoda, Trustee
Peggy Dickerson, Trustee
E. Brownell Johnston, Esq.
Assistant Town Attorney for Trustees
Lauren Standish, Secretarial Assistant
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 8:00 a.m.
TRUSTEE KING moved to Approve, TRUSTEE POLIWODA
seconded. ALL AYES.
NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 7:00 p.m.
WORKSESSION: 6:00 p.m.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON moved to Approve, TRUSTEE POLIWODA
seconded
APPROVE MINUTES: Approve Minutes of January 21,2004,
February 25, 2004 and March 24, 2004.
TRUSTEE KING: I have a couple minor corrections on March.
On Page 25, last paragraph, I think it's a quote by Al. "1
recommend no application denied until the application's
amended. I think what you meant to say was I recommend no
action be'taken. So change application to action. And on
Page 54, first paragraph almost down at the bottom, change
the word "nose" to no." No ability. I'll make a motion to approve
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TRUSTEE FOSTER: No, it's cut and dried actually.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Move on..
MR. JUST: It's been reduced in size at the request of the
ZBA just recently as well.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: That's been reflected here?
· MR. JUST: Yes.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Any further comments? Okay, there being
no further comments, I'll make a motion to close the
hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Second.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor? ALL AYES.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I'll make a motion to approve the request
for W.L. Lyons Brown, III for a Wetland Permit, to construct
sunroom 14' by 14', screened room 13' by 14', open deck 10'
by 16', onto existing family dwelling on Hedge Street
Fishers Island. Second?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor? ALL AYES.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: So carded.
13. Twomey, Latham, Shea and Kelley on behalf of JOHN
F. BETSCH requests a Wetland Permit and Coastal Erosion
Permit to construct a two-story single-family dwelling with
a two-car garage in place of the existing one-story, two-car
garage and dwelling, and to be built on wood pilings.
Located: 2325 North Sea Drive, Southold. SCTM #54-4°24
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in
favor of the application?
MR. FINNIGAN: Good evening, my name is Martin Finnigan,
Mr. Krupski, Members of the Board, I'm here on behalf of
John Betsch, who is seeking a Coastal Erosion Management
Permit pursuant to Sections 37-11 and 12 of Southold Town
Code to reconstruct a single-family dwelling on his
property, as you know, located at 2325 North Sea Drive.
The existing structure is a single-family home with ground
coverage of approximately 1,782 square feet. The property
lies along the Long Island Sound and is flanked to the east
by a beach parking lot and to the west by a home.
At the outset, I'd note that the proposed
construction is to take place in excess of 100 feet from any
freshwater wetland and as such a wetlands permit is not
required. I think as the Board is aware, at the last
hearing a letter of non-jurisdiction was submitted for the
record here dated March 4, 2004 -- actually, it wasn't at
the last hearing. I think we submitted that in writing to
the Board. I'd also just like to note that the proposed
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construction is entirely compliant with the dimensional
provisions in the Southold Town Zoning Code, it also meets
all FEMA requirements.
Basically we're here because the applicants would
like to build, reconstruct what is now a fairly basic home
into a home that is, quite frankly, more in keeping with all
the other homes that neighbor their property. The proposed
construction is nothing extraordinary. There's yet another
three bedroom, two bathroom home with a garage and a deck.
The square footage will increase to approximately 2,900
square feet. The proposed construction is entirely keeping
with the character of the homes that are currently either
built or being built along North Sea Drive, and I have
photographs which I can share with the Board. I believe
some of them have already been presented to you in the
record, but I would show them to you as we proceed
here.
Basically we're here because of the existence of a
coastal erosion hazard line on North Sea Drive. I think the
Board is aware that the line actually goes right down in
sort of a diagonal fashion, but it goes right along the
road. The Betches' property being dght here to the east
right next to the beach parking lot.
At the last hearing, there was a discussion, and I
think Mr. Krupski actually read into the record a letter
from a Robert McDonough from the DEC which purported to
respond to Mr. Krupski's inquiry about why this line was
where it was, and what is exactly the natural protective
feature which the line was drawn to protect. You may recall
that Mr. McDonough's response was somewhat inconclusive and
he wasn't really able to identify exactly why the line is
where it currently is placed, but seemed to indicate that if
there was eventually an appeal some day of your decision,
that maybe they could come out and look at it and try to
figure out why it is where it is. I bdng this up just to
suggest that it doesn'~ seem equitable that the Betches
should be required to litigate the location of this line
when there doesn't seem to be any reason why it is where it
is. It's obviously a couple hundred feet from the water and
by aerial view there's no conclusive explanation as to its
location.
I'd also like to address some of the comments that
Mr. McDonough made in his letter with regard to your
discretion here tonight and your jurisdiction to consider
this application. Mr. McDonough suggests that there's an
absolute prohibition to your issuance of a permit because
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the proposed construction is greater than 25 percent of the
existing structure, and I submit to you that there is no
such mandate in the Town Code in Chapter 37, which mandates
that this Board must deny an application for a permit to
construct a home that is greater than 25 percent of the
existing structure. Section 37-11 empowers the Board to
issue permits for regulated activity, which includes the
construction of a major addition, a major addition is
defined as the construction or reconstruction that results
in a 25 pement or greater increase in ground coverage. So
I submit to you that there is jurisdiction, you do have the
authority to administer this code, and if we can meet the
criteria of Section 37-12, I think that you have the ability
to issue a permit, notwithstanding what Mr. McDonough has
stated in his letter. Particularly in light of the fact
that there's been no natural protective feature identified
by Mr. McDonough.
I would like to briefly address those 37-12
criteria for you and establish to you why I believe that the
issuance of a Coastal Erosion Permit is warranted here. I'm
sure you're familiar with them, but obviously the first
criteria is that the proposed construction is reasonable and
necessary. Obviously, reasonableness, I would suggest to
you is defined by the surrounding area and what are we
comparing this to, what are we trying to do. We have a
parking lot on one side; the other side of this property is
the house that in 1997 a permit was issued by this Board to
reconstruct a house that increased ground coverage we
approximate by approximately 55 to 57 percent.
The Betches are not looking to construct a
monstrous house here. They're looking to construct a house
that is entirely in keeping with the character of numerous
homes along the road, and if I could I'd like to hand up
some photographs of some of the other homes that are along
the road, some being constructed some are already
constructed.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I'm sorry, could you clarify what you
just said earlier, the Board approved an application on this
site for this house?
MR. FINNIGAN: No, the next door neighbor, the Peadstein
property which is directly next door.
The home itself, the proposed construction is, as I
said, compliant with FEMA requirements and therefore, it
will be constructed on pilings, and as I again stated
earlier, it is in compliance with all other dimensional
requirements in the Town Code. So in essence, were you to
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· issue a permit, the Betches could go tomorrow and get a
building permit for this property. There's no other
impediment other than the placement of this line along North
Sea Drive.
So I would suggest to you that if we look at all
those factors together that the proposed construction is, in
fact, reasonable and completely in character with what's
going on in the neighborhood there, and, in fact, it is an
aesthetically pleasing design that will be not unlike the
other homes that you're looking at in those photographs. I
do have some schematic drawings if the Board is interested
in reviewing them.
The next criteria is whether or not the regulated
activity is likely to cause a measurable increase in erosion
at the proposed sites. There's absolutely no indication
that the construction of this home, which is essentially in
the exact area where the existing home is, which is well
over 100 feet from the wetland line, could in any way
contribute to additional erosion. We've been unable to
determine how that could occur. Furthermore, the third
factor being, will it minimize effects on natural protective
features. Again, not knowing exactly what the protective
feature is here, I can certainly assure you there will be no
impact on a bluff, a dune, whatever it may be. It is
construction confined to an area where there is existing
construction. The house is going to be raised, actually,
put on pilings and will, in fact, decrease the intrusion to
the ground cover that currently exists.
Essentially, I'd suggest to you that reviewing the
criteria of 37-12 and reviewing what is proposed here, I
believe that the Betches' application meets that criteria.
I believe that you are empowered by the code to issue this
permit based on those criteria. Particularly, when you look
at the big picture here and consider that there's no
legitimate reason for why the line is here. To litigate
that, to have it reevaluated or moved is a monumental
undertaking and the next door neighbors were able to
construct their house, several other homes along here, even
though the line goes diagonally, and they may be in a
different standing that the Betches are with regard to this
line, this construction has gone forward, so I believe it's
in conformity with what's going on and we would respectfully
request that you issue the permit pursuant to Section
37-12.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Before the Board comments, are
there any other comments on this? Does the Board any have
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any comments?
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I have a comment. You had mentioned
that the proposed building does not take over anymore of the
site, you're saying it's pretty much within the footprint?
MR. FINNIGAN: It will increase the footprint, that's why
I'm saying it's a major addition. It is greater than 25
percent. The approximate increase is approximately 50,
probably about 55 to 57 percent.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: More.
MR. FINNIGAN: More. It's an increase in square footage
from the existing ground coverage of a little over 1,000
square feet, 1,100 feet.
MR. JOHNSTON: Al, are the other houses on the seaward side
of the coastal erosion line that you approved?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Lot of them are.
MR. JOHNSTON: The one he makes reference to?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Could we see that aerial map that has the
coastal erosion on it?
MR. FINNIGAN: This one is the one I referred to in '97.
There was some different circumstances with these
applications because of, obviously, the placement of the
line and what structures.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: This is Peadstein, the one that's right
next door that's also seaward?
MR. FINNIGAN: Seaward of the line, yes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think that what's at issue here and the
letter we got from Robert McDonough that's been referenced,
who is the environmental program specialist of the Coastal
Erosion Management Unit, and this comes out of the code, a
vadance could be issued for reconstruction provided that
the following criteria are met. And we have to decide is it
reasonable and prudent, or is there an alternative site.
MR. FINNIGAN: Can I comment on that? That's the criteria
for a variance.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Correct.
MR. FINNIGAN: We're seeking a permit. That cdteda is
the criteria that you would have to establish to the Town
Board if we did not get -
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh But the Town Board --
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Don't you need a variance for relief from
the coastal erosion line?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh The Town Board is the Appeals Board.
MR. FINNIGAN: Forthe variance.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Not for the variance, they're Appeals
Board.
MR. FINNIGAN: From the denial of the permit. If you deny
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a permit based on the criteria, I would have to appeal to
the Town Board, and that's the variance criteria I would
have to establish for the Town Board.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: What would be the reason that we would want
to deny it, just the coastal erosion line?
"'TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Because of the coastal erosion as stated
in the letter or we could find it in the code says the
reconstruction or an increase of 25 percent or greater in
ground coverage is prohibited and would require a
variance. So it's up to us to say is the issuance of a
permit, one, is it reasonable and necessary.
MR. JOHNSTON: Both, reasonable and necessary.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So that's how we have to look at this, and
I'm inclined to have it staked and look at it again, instead
of just trying to either make a determination tonight or
kick it into the Town Board. What's the square footage of
the house next door?
MR. FINNtGAN: The exact square footage, are you struggling
with the issue of necessary?. Necessary, obviously, is a
relative term. This is what they've decided, they're moving
out here to live permanent. It's a summer home now.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don't think we want to lawyer it up.
I'd rather see it staked in the field and we can take a look
at it in our May inspection.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Wasn't it staked out?
MR. FINNIGAN: Do you have a copy of the survey?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No. We want it staked in the field so we
can see it staked in the field, May 12th. We'll be happy to
meet either you or the applicant or both on-site and you
could also give us the square footage of the Pearlstein
house.
MR. FINNIGAN: I don't have that with me this evening, but
we'll try to determine that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If there's no other comments, I make a
motion to table the application.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Second.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor? ALL AYES.
MR. FINNIGAN: Thank you very much.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Thank you. 14 has been postponed. Ken, I
think this is one of yours, 157
April 2 l, 2O04
15. John Bertani Builder, inc. on behalf of W. BRUCE
BOLLMAN requests a Wetland Permit to demolish the existing
dwelling and construct new two-story dwelling on the same
footprint, and construct a first floor and second-story
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T%VOMEY, LATHASI, SI-lEA & KELLEY ~v~: [
e-rnaiI: t 'karsch@s~ffolkIa w.com
Fax No.: (631) 727-2385
Ext. 216
Via Facsimile and Hand Delivery_
Mr. Albert J. Krupski, Jr., President
Board of Trustees
Town of Southold
P.O. Box 1179
53095 Main Road
Southold, New York 11971
RE: Application of ich,
2325 North Sea Drive, Southold, NY ~~' ,~' , r,c,':- .
Dear Mr. Krupski & Members of the Board:
This letter is submitted in further support of the oab~ve-referen~d/
application wherein Mr. Betsch is seeking a Coastal Erosion Management Perrn~c
pursuant to § 37-I1 and § 37-12 of the Southold Town Code, to renovate a sLngle-
family dwelling on the above-referenced property. The existLng structure has
ground coverage of approximately 1,782 square feet. It is a summer cortege wit.h
a garage, deck and patio. Mr. Betsch proposes to renovate his home for vear-
rmmd use by constructing a 3-bedroom house with a garage and a deck totaling
approximately 2,800 square feet which includes a 2-car garage. The proposea
new construction will increase the existing footprint by approximately 53~;.
At the outset, it is noteworthy that the proposed structure ts entirely tn
keeping with the character of the homes along North Sea Drive, many of w'_~idn
have been renovated or reconstructed in the recent past. The proposed
construction is also ent/rely compliant with the dimensional provisions set forte
in the Southold Town Zoning Code and meets and in fact exceeds the
requirements as it will be built on pilings thereby significantly decreasing the
actual amount of groux~d coverage from the existing foundahon. In addit/on, as
the Board is aware, tee DEC issued a letter of non-jurisdiction on March 4, 2004
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May 25, 2004
Page 2
since the proposed construction is to take place in excess of 100 feet from any
fres~t water wetland.
As the Board is aware, although Mr. Betsch would be otherwise able to
proceed with the proposed construction as of right, the inexplicable placement of
the coastal erosion hazard line along North Sea Drive in the vicird~- of the Borsch
property implicates this Board's jurisdiction, as AdminSstrator of Chapter 37 of
the Southold Town Code, to review the present application. It is respectbally
submitted that notwithstanding the comments of Robert McDonough of the
Coastal Erosion Management Unit in his letter directed to Mr. Krupsk2 on
December 17, 2003, a reconstruction or an increase of 25% or greater in ==round
coverage is not prohibited and does not require a variance under the Tos~'n Code.
To the contrary, for the reasons set forth below, we respectfully submit that ti-ds
Board has the absolute discretion and juxisdiction to issue the requested permit
by application of the express criteria set forth in § 37-12 of the To~,'n Code to the
circumstances presented here.
§37-11 of the Town Code, entitled "Permit Required for Regulated
Activities" states in pertinent part as follows:
"No person may engage in any regulated activin' in
an erosion hazard area as depicted on the coastal
erosion hazard area map of the Town of Southold, as
amended, without first obtaining a coasta! erosion
permit.'
§37-6 of the Totem Code define "Regulated Activi .ty' as:
The construction, modification, restoration or
placement of a structure, or major addition to a
structure...
A "Major Addition" is defined in the same section of the To~cn Code as:
Art addition to a structure resulting in a 25,% or
greater increase in the ground area coverage of the
structure other than an erosion protection structure or
pier, dock or wharf ....
A review of § 37-11 in conjunction with the aforesaid definitions confirms
that the proposed construction by Mr. Borsch of an addition wlqch will increase
the ground area coverage by greater than 25%, is a regulated a~vits.' for wkach a
pern~it may be issued by this Board pursuant to §37-12.
The issuance o£ a Coastal Erosion Management Permit is governed by
§ 37-12 of the Town Code wh/ch states in pertinent part as follows:
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Ma), 25, 2004
Page 3
A coastal erosion management permit will be issued
only with a finding by the administrator that the
proposed regulated activity:
A) Is reasonable and necessary considering
reasonable alternatives to the proposed activin,
and the extent to which the proposed activity
requires a shoreline Iocafion;
B) Is not likely to cause a measurable increase of
erosion at the proposed site and in other
locations; and
C) Prevents, if possible, or minimizes the effects on
natural protective features and their functions
and protective values, existing erosion protection
structures and natural resources.
It is respectfully submitted that the proposed project complies with all of
the above criteria. The proposed construction is reasonable as it is entirely in
keeping with the character of the surrounding homes on North Sea Drive and, as
stated previously, is entirely comp!iant with the Town Zoning Code and FEMA
requirements. That is, the Betsch s home will be built on pilings which will
actually decrease the actual amount of ground coverage.
As to whether the proposed construction is necessau', it is obvious that a
determination of necessity is largely subjective. While that determination may
depend on the varying experiences and preferences of the individual trustees, it
is respectfully submitted that the determination of necessity m this context
should be evaluated objectively, in the absence of any guidance to the contrary hn
the Town Code. The proper inquiry, therefore, is whether the proposed
construction is necessary for the intended use of the properS., by the applicant.
The existing structure is a summer cottage. The Betschs' seek this Board's
approval in order to construct a year-round residence of average proportions in
an aesthetically pleasing design comparable to and in keeping with the chara~er
of the homes in the community'.
As for the second criteria of § 37-12, the applicant submits that there is no
indication in the record of this application that the proposed construction %Td m
any way increase erosion in any measurable fashion. Likewise, with regard to
the third criteria, although the DEC has not offered any guidance as to why the
CEHA line is placed along the edge of North Sea Drive, or which natural
protective feature exists on the Betsch property, it is respectfully submitted that
the proposed construction will have no adverse effect on a~y natural protective
feature, their functions or protective values. To the contra-D,', the applicant
submits that the site's natural protective features will, in fact, be enhanced by tkis
proje~.
As the Board will recall from its recent site inspection on May 12,
2004, the Betsch property is flanked to the east by a beach par'king lot and to the
west by fl~e Pearlstein residence for which a Coastal Erosion Management Permit
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May 25, 2004
Page 4
was issued in 1997 for an addition which increased the ground coverage m
excess of 50% of the then existing footprint.
Based on the foregoing, the applicant respectfully requests that the Board
of Trustees, as Adnfin/strator, issue a Coastal Erosion Management Permit to
Betsch for the proposed regulated activity pursuant to § 37-12 of the Southold
Town Code. We remain available, as does Mr. Betsch, to address any remaining
questions, concerns, comments or suggestions the Board may have relevant to
this application.
Thank you for ),our consideration.
Very truly yours~
Tra~,~(arsch Palumbo
TKP:yq
cc: Brownell Johnston, Esq.
Mr. John Betsch
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T%¥OMEY, LATHAM, SI-lEA & KELLEY. LLP
June 9, 2004
Brownell Johnston. Esq.,
Office of the Town Attorney, Town of Southold
PO Box / 179
53095 Main Road
Southo[d, NY t 1971
Re: A~pplication of John Betsch~North Sea Drivg, Southold
Dear Mr. Johnston:
Enclosed please find six copies of our memorandum submitted on behalf of the applicant m
?reparation for our meeting today at your law office located at 4001 Wells Road. Pecomc.
York.
The memorandum addresses the questions raised by the Board of Trustees in accordance
with my May 25'" letter concerning the above application.
Thank you.
TKP/yq
Cc:
John Betsch
VeU tr,u, ly yours.
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MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION OF JOHN BETSCH
FOR A COASTAL EROSION PERMIT CONCERNING THE PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 2325 NORTH SEA DRIVE, SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK
At the request of the Board, we have undertaken to review Section 37-13 (B,~ o£
the Code of the Town of Southold (hereinafter "the Code") in conjunction with Section
37-12 of the Code and the within application of Mr. Betsch for a Coastal Erosion
Management Permit to renovate a single-family dwelling on the above-referenced
properly. It is our position that Section 37-13 (B) of the Code does not have an>- beasing
on this application for the following reasons.
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Section 37-13 of the reads as follows: "37-13. Structural hazard area. The
following restrictions apply to regulated activities within structural hazard areas: ... B.
The construction of nonmovable structures or placement of major nonmovable additions
to an existing structure is prohibited." A Structural Hazard Area is defined in the Code
ag.:
Those shorelands localed landward of natural
protective features and having shorelines receding at a
long term average recession rate of one (1) foot or more pet
year· The inland boundary of a "structural hazard area" is
calculated by starting at the landward limit of the fronting
natural protective feature and measuring along a line
perpendicular to the shoreline a horizontal distance .
landward which is forty (40) times the long-term avera_oe
annual recession rate. Emphasis added. , .. .'-
To date, no natural protective feature has been identified on the applicant's proper'O. ~----~]
either by the Town of Southold or by the DEC. As such, it would be improper to appl.x
this section concerning Structural Hazard Areas, as the propert.5, in question~has not been
identified as a Structural Hazard Area.
Furthermore, even if a cognizable protectix e
feature could be precisely located, the application of Se formula to calculate where the
inland boundar3 lies requires an analysis by a qualified expert of the long term average
recession rate of ~e shoreline on the Be~ch property. To our ~nowledg~. th~ record is
devoid of any such analysis by the Board and ~herefore, the designation of the Bemch
pro~n~ asa Stmc~ral n,zard Ar~a is spec.t~tive, ~ ~C-~ C
Based on the above, it is our position that Section 3%i3 (B) of the Code is not
applicable to the Board's deciding ~is app[ica~on as it has not been determined that the
prope~- is located in a Structural Hazard Area. Fuflhermore. as previously submiUed to
the Board. the proposed application will have absolutely no adverse impact on the
en,'ironment and is entirely compliant with the Town Zoning Code and FEMA
requirements as the structure will be built on pilings which will actualty decrease the
amount of ground coverage on the property. There is simply nothing in the record which
sugges~ that the proposed consm~ction witl in an~ way increase the rate of erosion on
· e pro~.
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THOMAS A, TWOIv~EY, JR.
Brownell Johnston, Esq.
Office of the Town Attorney
Town of Southold
P.O. Box 1179
53095 bfain Road
Southold, New York 11971
TWOMEY, LATItAM, SItEA & KELLEY,
www.suffolklaw.com
Email address: tkarsch@suffolklaw.com
Direct fax: (631) 727-2385
Ext. 216
June 23, 2004
RE: Application of John Betsch, North Sea Drive, Southold
Dear Mr. Jotmston:
I write in response to the Board's comments on my letter of June 9, 2004 and
Memorandum in Support of the above-referenced application.
Enclosed you will find copies of two surveys, one by Kulhanek & Plan Land
Surveyors, P.C. dated 8/23/99 which was prepared in connection with the applicants'
purchase of the subject property and the most recent survey prepared by John C. Eh/ers
Land Surveyor in cormecblon with the instant application, dated 2/2/04.
A comparison of the two surveys shows the southwest boundary line of the
Betsch property (bordering on the Pearlstein property) measuring 202.00 feet in 1999
and measuring 226.18 feet in 2004. Likewise, the northeast boundary line of the
applicant's property which borders on the beach parking lot measured 204.00 feet in
1999 and in 2004 measured 233.70 feet. Based upon this comparison, the beach on the
applicant's property was increased by more than 24 feet over the last 5 years.
Therefore, we submit that the subject property is not located in a structural hazard area
as defined in § 37-13 of the Town Code as the shoreline is not receding at a rate of "one
foot or more per year."
Based on the above, the applicant requests that the Board take notice of the
attached surveys, the discrepancy in the distances between the road and the shoreline in
the surveys, and that from 1999 to 2004 the beach on the property depicted on the
surveys has increased by more than 24 feet. Furthermore, that there has been no
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June 23, 2004
Page 2
erosion on the subject property over the last five years rather, the beach has increased in
size.
I trust this information will be helpful and welcome any questions and
comments. Thank you for your courtesy and cooperation.
TKP:yq
Very truly yours,
Trac) Karsch/Palumbo
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STEPHEN B. LATHAM
JOHN F SH~EA. III
CHRISTOPHER D KELLEY
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P. EDWARD REALE
Albert I. Krupski, Jr., President
Board of Trustees
Town of Southold
P.O. Box 1179
53095 Main Road
Southold, New York 11971
TWOMEY, LATHAM, SHEA & KELLEY,
ATTORNEYS AT LAW
33 WEST SECOND STREET
Mailing Address:
P. O. BOX 9398
RIVERHEAD, NEW YORK 11901
TELEPHONE: (691) 727-2190
FACSIMILE: (631) 727-1767
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Email address: tkarsch@suffolklaw.com
Direct fax: (631) 727-2385
Ext. 216
July 21,2004
105 MAIN STREET
F~ORT JEFFERSON STA., N.Y. 11776
(631) 928-4400
RE: Application of John Betsch, 2325 North Sea Drive, Southold, NY
Dear Ixlr. Krupski & IX(embers of the Board:
[ write to memorialize my telephone conversation with Assistant Town Attorney
Brownell Johnston on Juiy 14, 2004 regarding the Board's discussions with Robert
McDonough and Eric Starr of the New York State Department of Environmental
Conservation (hereinafter "DEC") pertaining to the above referenced application for a
Coastal Erosion Management Permit.
During that conversation, Mr. Johnston informed me that the Board's suggestion
that the Betsch property may have been situated in the "structural hazard area" was
incorrect based upon the DEC's confirmation that there is no erosion on the subject
property. Notwithstanding that fact, Mr. Johnston advised that the Board would most
likely deny a coastal erosion permit to the Mr. Betsch based solely upon the
reco~'nmendation of the DEC. I respectfully submit that a denial of this application
under these circumstances is arbitrary, capricious and in violation of the statutory
mandate set forth in Chapter 37 of the Southold Town Code.
Pursuant Section 37- 4 of the Town Code, the Board of Trustees is designated as
the Administrator of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Area Law within the Town of
Southold. As such, the DEC has relinquished jurisdiction over coastal erosion hazard
areas in the Town of Southold to the Board of Trustees, which has the sole discretion to
issue permits for regulated activities within coastal erosion hazard areas.
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July 21, 2004
Page 2
As the Board is aware, Mr. Betsch seeks a permit to demolish the existing
structures on his property and replace them with a new three bedroom home xvith an
attached garage. Although we maintain that the placement of the coastal erosion
hazard line on the applicant's property is unjustified, it is conceded that a costal erosion
management permit is required, pursuant to Section 37-11 of the Town Code, since the
proposed construction is by definition a regulated activity under the Town Code. The
issuance of a permit by the Administrator is, therefore governed~ction 37-12 of the
Town Code which provides that:
"a coastal erosion management permit may be issued by the Administrator for
any "regulated activity" which satisfies the following criteria:
It is reasonable and necessary considering reasonable alternatives
to the proposed activity and extent to which the proposed activity
requires a shoreline location;
It is not likely to call the measurable increase of erosion of the
proposed site and in other locations; and
Prevent, if possible, or minimizes the effects on natural protective
procedures and their functions and protective values, existing
erosion protection structures and natural resources.
As set forth in our May 25, 2004 letter to the board, it is respectfulIy submitted
that the proposed project complies with all of the above criteria. It is reasonable in that
i_t is~enti~ly in keeping with~haracter ~ the sur~Lroundin~g~.homes on North Sea Drive
and, as stated previouslv, it is entirely compliant with the Town ~ning Code and
F'--EMA requir-~ments. ~fte construction ~7-h%cess-~--~ry t--~-cre~ate a suitable year roundel
residence for the applicant. The new home ~11 be built o~ pilings which will actually
d..ecroa~o2&te,~c!E~amount of ground ~ site's natural protective features
will be enhanced by thd~p~. ~-oreover, b~sed on )~t'aiseussions
~-'E~j i-C-l~iSarent tt~-aUtliere is no measurable erosion on the subject property and, as
such, there is logically little if any justification for denying the applicant a coastal
erosion management permit.
It is noteworthy that the Board's consideration of the percentage increase of
square footage resulting from the proposed construction, i.e., greater than 25%, is
misplaced here. Although it ~vas suggested during the hearings of this application that
the proposed construction was a "major addition", defined in the Town Code as "an
addition to a structure resulting in a 25% or greater increase in the ground area
coverage...", it is clear that the application ._proposes a reconstruction which is ~ a
regulated activity requiring a permit. As such, while the size of the proposed structure
may be relevant to tl~e Administrator's analysis of the reasonableness of the activity,
there is no provision in Chapter 37 that mandates the denial of a permit where the
proposed construction will result in a footprint that is more than 25% greater than the
size of the existing structures.
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July 21, 2004
Page 3
In conclusion, we reiterate that the proposed construction satisfies the criteria set
forth in Section 37-12 of the Town Code for the issuance of a coastal erosion
management permit and there is nothing of record to the contrary. We therefore urge
the Board to reconsider its deference to the DEC, which is without jurisdiction to review
or grant applications for coastal erosion management permits in the Town of Southold,
and to adhere to its responsibilities as the sole Administrator of the Coastal Erosion
Hazard Area Law under the Town Code.
Thank you for you courtesy and cooperation.
TKP:yq
cc: Brownell Johnston, Esq.
Office of the Town Attorney
Very truly yours,
~racy Kar, gch Palumbo
THOMAS A. TWOMEY. JR.
STEPHEN B. LATHAM
JOHN F. SHEA, III
TWOMEY, LATHAM, SHEA & KELLEY,
WWW.suffolkl~w.oom
August 10, 2004
Brownell Johnston, Esq.,
Office of the Town Attorney, Town of Southold
PO Box 1179
53095 Main Road
Southold, NY 11971
EAST HAMPTON OFFICE
20 MAIN STREET
EAST HAMPTON, N.Y. 11937
105 MAiN STR~[ET
PORT JEFFERSON STA., N Y. 11776
(631) 928-4400
Re: Application of John Betsch. North Sea Drive, Southold
Dear Mr. Johnston:
Enclosed please find two more DEC Commissioner's decisions and an excerpt from the
DEC Regulations concerning Coastal Erosion Management, available on the DEC's official
website. After extensive research, I was unable to uncover any published "DEC Regs" defining
"reasonable and necessary" in considering a Coastal Erosion Permit application. Furthermore,
there are no reported Appellate Division, Court of Appeals or lower Court decisions defining
"reasonable and necessary" in connection with permit applications.
Although the enclosed decisions concern wetland permits, they both consider whether the
projects were "reasonable and necessary." Please also note that the Susan Tasker application
required various variances, was located on the Sound, and the applicant had been granted a Coastal
Erosion Management Permit by the Board.
I trust these will be helpful to the Board in considering the above application, and I remain
available for any comments or questions that may arise in reviewing the enclosed in preparation for
the Hearing scheduled for next week.
Thank you.
TKP/yq
CCi
John Betsch
Very ~t,y. yours,
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Commissioner's Decision for Susan
Tasker
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STATE OF NEW YORK
DEPARTMENT OF ENVtRONMENTAL CONSERVAT]ON
Office of Hearings
50 Wolf Road
Albany, New York 12233-1550
in the Matter of the Application of
Susan Tasker
for a Tidal Wetlands Permit and variances from tidal wetlands setback
requirements, pursuant to Environmental Conservation Law Article 25
and 6 NYCRR Part 661
DEC Project No. 1-4378-00583/00001-0
DECISTON
December 29, 1994
Decision of the Commissioner
The attached Hearing Report (the "Report") of Administrative Law
Judge ("AU") Frank Montecalvo, including its Findings, Conclusions
and Recommendation, in the matter of the application submitted by
Susan Tasker (the "Applicant"), 202 Sixth Street, Greenport, N.Y.
11944, for a Tidal Wetlands Permit and variances from certain tidal
wetlands setback requirements is hereby adopted as my Decision in
this matter.
The Applicant proposes to construct a single family dwelling, deck,
driveway, septic system, stone revetment and place fill on a site
bordering Long Sound and located at Road, Greenport,
Town of Southold, Suffolk County, N.Y. The dwelling and deck require
variances from the tidal wetlands setback restriction for principal
buildings and other structures. The dwelling and deck are proposed
within 38' and 32' of apparent high water (AHW). The septic system
is proposed within 47' of AHW, which requires a variance from the
setback required for septic systems. ~
The Applicant must demonstrate that the proposed project meets the
standards for permit issuance in a tidal wetland adjacent area [6
NYCRR 661.9(c)] and, with respect to the house, deck and septic
system components, she must show entitlement to a variance from
the setback requirements contained in 6 NYCRR 66:1.6(a)(:I) and (2).
The principal issue with respect to both the permit standards and the
variance requirements relates to whether the project would have any
undue adverse impact on the present or potential values of the
adjacent tidal wetland. As explained in the Report, the proiect is not
e_~pected to cause any adverse impacts to the pEin~iPal values '~
supported by the adjacent wetland: recreation, wildlife habitat and
hnanne food production. ~
A--pproval of the variances also requires a demonstration by the
Applican~t that there are practical difficulties associated with meeting
the aforementioned setback requirements [6 NYCRR 661.11(a)]. The
Applicant has successfully made this showing by referencing the site's
configuration together with the requirements of local authorities.
In view of the foregoing, the subject application of Susan Tasker for a
Tidal Wetlands Permit and variance from certain tidal wetlands _,
setback requirements is hereby approved subject to the standard
conditions for tidal wetland permits. The Department Staff shall
promptly issue to the Applicant the permit and variances described
above.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Department of Environmental
Conservation has caused this Decision to be signed and issued and
has filed the same with all maps, plans, reports and other papers
relating thereto in its office in the County of Albany this 29TH day of
December, 1994.
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION
LANGDON MARSH, COMMISSIONER
/s/
TO: Susan Tasker
202 Sixth Street
Greenport, NY 11944
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UST (A' C.ED)
OFFICIAl_ SERVICE ClST - March 26, 1997
NAME OF HEAR]lNG: Susan Tasker; Application No. 1-4378-
00583/00001-0
Tidal Wetlands Permit; variance from tidal wetlands setback
requirements
STAFF: DEC Region :2
c/o Gall Iv1. Hintz, Esq., Assistant Regional Attorney
NYSDEC Region ::[ Offices
Building 40, SUNY Campus
Stony Brook, NY :21790-2356
FAX 516 444-0373; PHONE: 516 444-0260
APPLICANT: Susan Tasker
c/o Esseks, Hefter & Angel
108 East Main Street
P.O. Box 279
Riverhead, NY 11901
attn: Stephen R. Angel, Esq.
FAX 516 369-2065; PHONE: 516 369-1700
AM:
Frank Montecalvo
Department of Environmental Conservation
Office of Hearings
50 Wolf Road, Room 409
Albany, NY :22233-1550
STATE OF NEW YORK
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION
Office of Hearings
50 Wolf Road
Albany, New York 12233-1550
Tel. 518 457-3468
In the Matter of the Application of
Susan Tasker for a Tidal Wetlands Permit and variances from tidal
wetlands setback requirements,
pursuant to Environmental Conservation Law Article 25 and 6 NYCRR
Part 661
DEC Project No. 1-4378-00583/00001-0
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HEARING REPORT
-by-
~si
Frank Montecalvo
Administrative Law ]udge
THE PROPOSED PROJECT and PERMITS SOUGHT
Susan Tasker, 202 Sixth Street, Greenport, N.Y. 11944 (the
"Applicant") seeks a Tidal Wetlands Permit and variances from tidal
wetlands setback requirements from the Department of
Environmental Conservation (the "Department" or "DEC"). Statutory
and regulatory provisions applicable to processing this type of
application are: Environmental Conservation Law ("ECL") Article 3,
Title 3 (General Functions); Article 70 (Uniform Procedures); Article
25 (Tidal Wetlands); and Article 8 (Environmental Quality Review).
Also, Title.~ of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and
Regulations of the State of New York ("6 NYCRR") Part 621 (Uniform
Procedures); Part 624 (Permit Hearing Procedures); NYCRR Part 661
(Tidal Wetlands); and Part 617 (SEQR).
Applicant's proposed project consists of a single family dwelling, deck,
driveway, septic system, and a stone revetment with backfill, to be
Io_ca__ted adiacent to Loncj Island Sound on Middle Road, Greenport,
Town of Southold, Suffolk County, N.Y. The dwelling and deck requir_e
variances from the 75 foot tidal wetlands setback restriction. The
diNelling_anrl dCrl~ rare propm~¢~38' and 32' of apparent high
.water_E_[AHW). Th~ ~ptic ~.v~rem !_~ prmpn~_e_d within 47' of AHW~
which requires a variance from the 100 foot setback ~pplicable~to
septic- systems.
PROCEEDINGS
Application papers were initially filed during August, 1992. Following
the submission of other documents, DEC Region i Staff ("Staff")
issued a Notice of Complete Application that was published on June
23, 1994 in the Southold Traveler-Watchman and June 22, 1994 in
the Environmental Notice Bulletin (ENB).
On August 26, 1994 the DEC Office of Hearings received Staff's
request to schedule a public hearing. On August 29, 1994, Frank
Montecalvo was assigned to be the Administrative Law Judge (the
"AL3") who would hear the matter.
The Notice of Public Hearing (the "Notice") was issued September 7,
1994, and was published September 14, 1994 in the ENB, and
September 15, in the Traveler-Watchman! ~tice was also
directly mailed September 12, 1994 to the clerk or chief executive
officer of the Town of Southold and Suffolk County. The Notice
indicated Staff's tentative determination that the proposed project
would not meet permit issuance standards of Part 661.9. The Notice
required that petitions to intervene in these proceedings be filed by
October 10, 1994, and that written public comments on the proposed
project be received by October 17, 1994.
The AU received no written comments on the proposed project and
no petitions to intervene.
As advertised in the Notice, the AU opened the public hearing at
11:00 AM on October 17, 1994, at the Southold Town Hall, 53095
Main Road, Southold, N.Y. DEC Staff was represented by Gall M.
Hintz, Esq., Assistant Regional Attorney. The Applicant was
represented by Esseks, Hefter & Angel; Stephen R. Angel, Esq., of
counsel.
No one made a statement at the public statement session.
The Tssues Conference was convened immediately following the public
statement session. Potential issues were discussed, narrowed and set
forth. None were appealed. These are identified below ("l~ssues").
The adjudicatory hearing commenced immediately following the
Issues Conference, and concluded the next day. Applicant called as
her witness Roy L. Haje, President, En-Consultants, Inc. Staff called
as its witnesses Louis Chiarella, Regional Manager, DEC Bureau of
Marine Habitat Protection; and Dawn McReynolds, Acting DEC Marine
Resource Specialist. Oral closing arguments were taken. The record
closed November 7, 1994 on receipt of the stenographic transcript.
ISSUES
1) Does the proposed house in the "adjacent area" qualify under
661.11 for a variance of the setback required by 661.6(a)(1) for
principal buildings and other structures (which would enable
compliance with 661.9(c)(2))?
2) Does the proposed deck in the "adjacent area" qualify under
661.11 for a variance of the setback required by 661.6(a)(1) for
principal buildings and other structures (which would enable
compliance with 661.9(c)(2))?
Sub-issue: Is the setback required by 661.6(a)(1) 75 feet or the
"average" setback as calculated by Applicant?
3) Does the proposed septic system in the "adjacent area" qualify
under
required
by
661.6(a)(2) for same (which would enable compliance with
661.9(c)(2))?
4) Does the proposed septic system meet the permit issuance
standards for "adjacent areas" specified in 661.9(c)(1)?
5) Do the (a) house, (b) deck, and (c) septic system meet the permit
issuance standards for "adjacent areas" specified in 661.9(c)(3)? Of
concern here is the potential for undue adverse impacts to wetland
values for wildlife habitat, erosion control, recreation (here, beach
width), cleansing ecosystems, storm control, marine food production,
and open space/aesthetic appreciation. Not of concern are values for
education, research, and silt absorption.
6) Does the revetment meet permit issuance standards under
661.9(c)? Of concern here is the potential for undue adverse impacts
to wetland values for wildlife habitat, erosion control, recreation
(here, beach width), cleansing ecosystems, storm control, marine
food production, and open space/aesthetic appreciation. Not of
concern are values for education, research, and silt absorption.
STAFF'S POSITION
Staff objects to the proposed project, contending that it will cause
undue harm to tidal wetland values, and, thus, not meet the
requirements of 661.9(c)(3).
Staff argues that the lot is too small to develop, with so little room
behind the bluff that Applicant's consultant had to configure the
proposed house half-way into the "adjacent area."
In spite of its size, Staff contends that the property fosters a large
quantity of tidal wetland values. It's a vital area for wildlife that can
be used for feeding, and for birds to nest and rest. It is important for
marine food production providing part of the food chain for Long
Island Sound. The site is important to recreation, having a beach and
providing water vehicle access to the water. It provides open space
and offers a beautiful view to passers-by. Staff contends that these
wetland values will suffer negative adverse impacts, meaning that
661.9(c)(3) (which requires absence of undue adverse impacts) will
not be met.
Staff also argues that the setbacks under 661.6(a)(1) [75 feet for the
house and deck] and (a)(2) [100 feet for the septic system] will not
be met, and that the deck does not qualify for the average setback
because of non-compliance with the "numerous and substantially all"
portion of the regulation (i.e., 5 structures with decks is less than
50% of 12 structures structures on the water). Although Staff
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recognizes Applic~[['s difficulty in complying wi~the setbacks, Staff
argues that the project will not qualify for variances because it must
be shown that the spirit and intent of the regulations be observed,
that public health and safety must be protected, and that there will
be no undue adverse impact on present or potential tidal wetland
values. Regarding public safety, Staff has concerns over the
migration of septic material and the cumulative impact on Long Island
Sound. Staff contends there has been an insufficient showing of why
the house cannot be moved back further; and that Applicant did not
mention other mitigation possibilities such as placing sand over the
revetment to make a dune.
APPLICANT'S POSITION
Applicant contends that the only economic use of her property is for a
single family residence with associated septic system. Applicant
argues that this project will have very little actual deleterious effect
on the environment or even the potential effects identified in the
Tidal Wetlands Act and regulations. The site is a 50 foot wide lot
sandwiched between two existing houses (both of which are close to
the property line) located on a highly traveled county route. Applicant
points out that all construction would be either in the adjacent area
or beyond DEC jurisdiction. No intrusion into the wetland itself is
involved, and all the proposed structures are classified as "generally
compatible" with tidal wetland adjacent areas. Applicant notes that
there have been no acknowledged problems with Sound water quality
in the vicinity of the site and that the active portion of the proposed
septic system (the leaching pools) are admittedly outside of DEC
jurisdiction. Only a few feet of the solid holding tank are inside the ~
adjacent area. Staff's concerns for the beach and possible scouring
are belied by the testimony and evidence that indicates no beach
movement over the years and no identifiable scouring. A~L2plicant X.C..
notes that the Suffolk County Department of Health Services h_~_~ ,
a~proved of the septic system, that $o'uthnOle nas issued a coastal v~¢'.
erosion hazard perm,.t, and that the Southold Zomna Board of I,
~s has issued a varian.ce approving ot Uae hou-~e'~s setback fr____om
the Sound.. Applicant also argues that practical difficulty has been
established because at most the house's location could be moved only
6 inches. ~,
FINDINGS OF FACT
Project Site and Setting:
1. The project site consists of an approximately 50' wide by 100' deep
parcel of land at Arshamomoque near Greenport, Town of Southold,
Suffolk County, N.Y., designated on the Suffolk County Tax Hap as
District 1000, Section 044.00, Block 02.00, Lot 0:[1.000. Applicant
acquired the site by Executor's deed dated April 14, 1992 from
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deceased. Ruth W. Tasker (mother-in-law of the Applicant) acquired
the site from another person in 1953.
2. The project site is a 4050 square foot parcel of land bounded on
the north by the high water mark of Long Tsland Sound and on the
south by County Route 48 (also called Middle Road). Official Tidal
Wetlands Map No. 718-552 classifies the waters of Long Island Sound
here as "LZ," littoral zone.
3. The project site is bounded on both the east and west by parcels
improved with single family dwellings, decks, and shore stabilization
structures. The parcel immediately to the west is protected by a
vertical timber bulkhead. The parcel immediately to the east is
protected by a stone (or gabion) retaining wall with "rip-rap" (large
stones) at its toe. The distance between these two stabilization
structures (i.e., the width of the project site) is approximately 50
feet. The distance between the two houses is approximately 60 to 70
feet. The deck on the parcel to the east encroaches on the site itself.
4. The site is physically constituted by a lawn area extending from
the southerly property line to an eroded bankline, and an
unvegetated sand and stone beach extending from the bankline to
the water. Access from the lawn to the beach is via a stairway. There
are no apparent changes in the trend of the shoreline in front of the
neighboring stabilization structures with that on the site. There is no
apparent "toe scour" or erosion at the foot of these structures. The
only vegetation on the site is lawn grass with upland weeds mixed in.
5. The beach contains a line of wrack, i.e., a line of debris found
around the spring high tide line. The wrack line stretches across the
site, and continues in front of the neighboring shore stabilization
structures which abut both sides of the site. The wrack contains
(among other things) chondrus, reeds, sticks, crab carapids, slipper
shells, and horseshoe crabs. The wrack line is most prevalent on the
adjacent parcel to the west, where the beach is wider. The wrack line
becomes discontinuous on the adjacent parcel to the east, where it is
broken up by the rock rip-rap.
6. The neighborhood's character within 500 feet of the site on the
north side of County Route 48 is primarily waterfront one-family
residences. Exhibit A-16 indicates that of the 13 waterfront parcels of
varying size in this area (including the site), 8 contain houses (6 of
which existed prior to 1977), one contains a restaurant (also pre-
1977), 3 are vacant and I is unknown. Five decks existed in this area
prior to 1977: three attached to dwellings and two attached to the
restaurant. The average setback of these decks from the water is 36
feet. The site plan (see Attachment) indicates an additional (post-
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1977) deck on th~
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,arcel immediately west of tl~llsite.
7. A public beach is located on County Route 48 approximately 1/4
mile west of the site.
8. The single family residences within the general vicinity of the site
have domestic septic systems to get rid of their sanitary waste.
Wetland areas and benefits:
9. Mapped littoral zone (see Finding 2) and unmapped shoals and
mudflats (here, the beach area between mean Iow and mean high
water) are immediately adjacent to the project site on Long :Island
Sound. Littoral zones have value as open water for marine food
production, wildlife habitat, recreation, education, and scientific
research. In particular, seagulls have been observed feeding and
loafing on nearby rocks below the mean high water line at the site.
10. The project site itself is comprised of tidal wetland "adjacent
area" (about half of the site, extending from the high water line
landward to the top of the eroded bankline or bluff at an elevation of
approximately 1:[ feet), and land further upland. The top of the bluff
is 51 feet from the high water line, more or less depending on the
particular portion of the site. There are no vegetated tidal wetlands at
or adjacent to the site.
11. The site's beach is used for recreation. People use the site for
beach access, lounging, and for launching and retrieving jet skis.
12. The beach's wrack line is an area where organic material decays.
It is habitat for organisms such as sand fleas and arthropods. ]t is
also the prime feeding habitat for many wading and shore birds, such
as the least tern, piping plover and the roseate tern. The components
of wrack lines in general are an important food source for birds and
other species in the food chain (e.g., raccoons).
The Proposed Project, Design Constraints and Expected Tmpacts:
13. The proposed project consists of the following elements, as
shown on the Attachment to this Report:
a) a two story 22 feet by 25 feet one-family dwelling on pilings;
b) a septic system consisting of a solid septic tank approximately 4
feet by 8 feet, two 8 feet diameter leaching rings 6 feet deep, and an
area for a future ring of similar size if needed;
c) a stone revetment that will extend between the corners of the
adjacent shore stabilization structures, consisting of one and a half to
two ton capstones over 100 to 300 pound core stones on filter cloth,
with top elevation~~ 11.5 feet above mean sea~vel, and with a
slope of approximately I on 1;
d) backfill consisting of approximately 265 cubic yards of clean fill
which will be trucked in to raise the site's grade landward of the
revetment to equal the existing upland (i,e,, the site would be raised
to elevations between 11,5 (at the revetment) and 13 feet (under the
house));
e) an irregular shaped open-wood deck extending across the north
side of the house and extending to the south side of the revetment (5
feet deep on the east and 10 feet deep on the west); and
f) a bluestone or similar pervious driveway,
14. None of the project elements would be located in the tidal
wetland itself. Due to the bank on the site, all project elements would
be located in the tidal wetland "adjacent area" and/or further upland.
Specifically, the revetment, the deck, the northern half of the house,
the northern third of the septic tank (i.e., not the leaching rings), and
the fill would be in the "adjacent area;" with the remainder of the
project further upland.
15. The sanitary system has been situated as far from the water as
possible while being in accordance with regulations of the Suffolk
County Department of Health Services ("SCDHS," the primary agency
responsible for regulating septic systems in the area). The solid septic
tank would be located approximately 47 feet from the line of mean
high water, and the nearest leaching pool would be approximately 64
feet from the water. The septic tank encroaches approximately 4 feet
into the "adjacent area." Five foot setbacks of the sanitary system
from a retaining wall on the south, from the east property line, and
from the proposed house, are the minimum acceptable to the SCDHS.
SCDHS has already approved of the proposed sanitary system.
Effluent from the sanitary system will travel vertically downward from
the leaching rings (which are located upland of the "adjacent area")
through clean sand and gravel and will be largely absorbed onto
these particles within two feet of the bottom of the rings. Nutrients
and certain pathogens are not absorbed, however, and will travel
freely to groundwater.
16. The house would be located approximately 38 feet from the line
o__f m~an~n--hiqt~ water~ ancl approximately 20 feet from the southerly
property line. The house encroaches approximately 13 feet into the
adjacent area. The seaward face of the proposed house would be
approximately in line with the seaward face of the houses on the
adjoining parcels. The location of the septic system between the
proposed house and property line inhibits relocating the house any
significant distance southward.
17. The deck woui~II be located approximately 3~lJ~eet from the line of
mean high water and, thus, encroach approximately I9 feet into the
adjacent area. The seaward edge of the deck would be set back from
the water a greater distance than the seaward edges of the decks on
the adjacent parcels immediately to the east and west. The distance
separating the proposed deck from the deck on the east would be no
more than ::[5 feet. Due to fill behind the revetment, it will be at an
elevation of at least 1:[.5 feet.
18. The revetment would be located above the high water line in line
with a line connecting the ends of the neighboring stabilization
structures. The area behind the revetment would be filled, covering
the natural bluff. The revetment and filling is expected to prevent
flooding and further erosion of the site. The Town of Southold has
issued Applicant a Coastal Erosion Management Permit and a variance
for the proposed project. Given the apparent lack of effect of the
neighboring stabilization structures on the shoreline and wrack line
(see Findings 4 and 5, particularly the timber bulkhead which would
be more likely than the proposed revetment to cause toe scour owing
to its vertical face), the proposed revetment is not expected to cause
any significant beach change or loss of the wrack line.
DISCUSSION
A tidal wetlands permit and compliance with development restrictions
are required to lawfully conduct regulated activities on a tidal wetland
or on an "adjacent area" (see 6 NYCRR 661.8 and 661.6). Here, all
project elements would be located either in the tidal wetland's
"adjacent area" or further landward. None are proposed in the
wetland itself (Finding 14).
Its undisputed that the "adjacent area" here is confined to the area
lying between high water and the top of the bluff, approximately 51
feet away. (See Finding :10 and 661.4(b)(1)(iii)). Of all the project
elements, only the revetment, the deck, the northern half of the
house, the northern third of the septic tank (not leaching rings) and
the fill would be subject to the tidal wetland permitting requirements
and development restrictions, with the remainder being beyond DEC's
jurisdiction because they are further upland. (See Finding 14).
Of the 661.6 development restrictions, only 661.6(a)(1) and (a)(2)
are in issue on this application. Section 661.6(a)(1) imposes a 75 foot
setback on principal buildings and all other structures in excess of
100 square feet, with provision for applying an average setback under
certain circumstances. Section 661.6(a)(2) imposes a 100 foot
setback on septic systems. However, because the adjacent area here
extends no further landward than the top of the bluff, the
Department may apply the setback provisions only from the water up
to the top of the iff, in effect limiting the setl~k requirements to
approximately 51 feet on the project site. These setback
requirements, therefore, will affect only the deck and northern
portion of the house [661.6(a)(1)], and the northern portion of the
septic tank [661.6(a)(2)]. To be lawfully built excluding, for the
moment, the possibility that the deck may qualify for application of
an average setback, these structures must either be moved landward
of the top of the bluff to take them out of the adjacent area (4 feet
for the septic tank, 13 feet for the house, and 19 feet for the deck),
or they must be otherwise permittable and receive variances allowing
such encroachments into the adjacent area. (See Findings 15, :[6, 17;
661.11)
Section 661.11 authorizes the Department to vary strict application of
the setback requirements where there are practical difficulties in
complying with them, provided that the spirit and intent of the
provisions is observed, public safety and welfare are secured,
substantial justice done, and action pursuant to the variance will not
have an undue adverse impact on the values of the protected tidal
wetland. "(a) Where there are practical difficulties in the way of
carrying out any of the provisions of section 661.6 of this Part or
where in the department's judgment the strict application of the
provisions of section 661.6 of this Part would be contrary to the
purposes of this Part, the department shall have authority in
connection with its review of an application for a permit under this
Part to vary or modify the application of any provisions in such a
manner that the spirit and intent of the pertinent provisions shall be
observed, that public safety and welfare are secured and substantial
justice done and that action pursuant to the variance will not have an
undue adverse impact on the present or potential value of any tidal
wetland for marine food production, wildlife habitat, flood and
hurricane and storm control, cleansing ecosystems, absorption of silt
and organic material, recreation, education, research, or open space
and aesthetic appreciation. The burden of showing that a variance to
such provisions should be granted shall rest entirely on the applicant."
(661.11, Variances)
Here, practical difficulties in complying with the setbacks have been
shown: the portion of the lot behind the top of the bluff is simply not
large enough to accommodate the structures given the constraints
already placed by the local health department on the location of the
septic system (Findings 15, 16). Also, this difficulty was not self
imposed, because the site had been owned by the Applicant's family
for many years (Finding 1). Furthermore, the Applicant is not asking
for anything more than what her neighbors already have (see
Findings 6, 8, 13, :[6, 17). The basic inquiry regarding the other
requirements for variance is whether strict application of the setbacks
will serve a valid public purpose which outweighs the injury to the
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From the testimony presented, Staff's primary concerns for this
project center around preservation of the beach and wrack line, and
septic system impacts.
In spite of being classified as generally compatible with wetland
preservation when built in an adjacent area (661.5 (a)(2) and
(b)(2g)), Staff opposes the revetment, fearing that toe scour will
cause the beach and wrack line to diminish, adversely impacting the
wetland benefits (recreation, wildlife habitat, marine food production)
that they provide. Staff's fears are not borne out by the evidence,
however, which indicates that adjoining structures have not caused
such problems, resolving :issue 6 (Findings 4 and :[8).
Staff objects to the entire septic system (including portions beyond
the adjacent area) over concern that material from the septic system
will migrate to Long :island Sound and adversely affect water quality
and public health. :it's noted that the system's effluent will be largely
absorbed within the first 2 feet of travel from the leaching rings.
Regardless, the effluent would be released landward of the adjacent
area and outside DEC jurisdiction. Although certain nutrients and
pathogens may still travel and reach ground water, this is not
considered a health threat because the local authority (the SCDHS)
which has the jurisdiction and responsibility to protect public health
has already approved Applicant's proposed system. (See Findings :[4,
:[s.)
Only a portion of the septic tank (a part which is not intended to
release effluent to the environment) is within DEC jurisdiction. Even
so, such use of the adjacent area is classified as generally compatible
with tidal wetland preservation (66:[.5 (b)(45) and (a)(2)). Staff's
concern over the tank possibly becoming exposed and rupturing or
becoming flooded, particularly during storms, is addressed by the
proposed revetment and filling, which can be expected to prevent
this from happening (see Finding :[8). The septic system thus is
compatible with public health and welfare (resolving Tssue 4), and will
not have an undue adverse impact on wetland values (resolving part
of :issue 5). Given Applicant's practical difficulty in siting the tank and
apparent lack of public purpose The words "public purpose" are used
here to mean advancing the spirit and intent of the setback provision,
securing the public safety and welfare, and protecting wetland values
from undue adverse impacts, that would be served by enforcing an
additional 4 feet of separation between the tank and the wetland,
substantial justice would be done by granting a variance for the
septic tank (resolving issue 3).
A house in an adjacent area is generally compatible with preservation
of wetland beneff 661.5 (a)(2) and (b)(46)) the fact that
the houses on the adjacent parcels are only 60 to 70 feet apart
(Finding 3), that the seaward face of the proposed house will be
approximately in line with the adjoining houses, yet still 38 feet from
high water (Finding 16), and that the house will be at an elevation of
13 feet which provides a vertical separation from the wetland The
elevation is considered significant here because it is greater than the
10 feet elevation used to define "adjacent area" under natural
conditions (661.4(b)(1)(iii)). (see Finding 13), it does not appear that
a house at the proposed location will have any impact on the
wetland's value as wildlife habitat that has not already been caused
by the adjacent homes close by. Although Staff wishes to preserve
public beach access and the view of the water from the road, such
purposes are not served by enforcing an additional 13 feet of setback
for the house (i.e., the house would still block the view and access
across the site even if it were possible to move it 13 feet further
from the wetland). The house will not change the open space
character of the wetland itself, nor will it inhibit access to the wetland
from public areas such as the area below the high water line. The
public has access to the wetland from a public beach 1/4 mile away
(Finding 7). The house thus will not have an undue adverse impact
on wetland values (resolving part of Issue 5). Given Applicant's
practical difficulty in siting the house and apparent lack of public
purpose that would be served by enforcing an additional 13 feet of
separation from the wetland, substantial justice would be done by
granting a variance for the house (resolving Issue 1).
If the deck qualifies for application of an average setback (i.e., 36
feet per Finding 6) it will need a variance of 4 feet, otherwise it will
need 19 feet (Finding 17). The sub-issue of average setback is moot,
however, because the deck will qualify for either. It is not clear that
an average setback would apply to the deck, because 5 decks is not
obviously "numerous." Compare with the discussion in the Hearing
Report accompanying the Commissioner's 8/9/94 Decision on the
Seewald application. A deck is generally compatible with preserving
tidal wetlands when constructed in an adjacent area (661.5 (a)(2),
(b)(49)). The proposed deck will be vertically separated from the
wetland due to the backfill (see Finding 17 and footnote 5 above).
The deck adds no apparent impact to what is already there from the
decks on the adjoining parcels only a short distance away (especially
since the proposed deck is set even further back from the wetland
than the neighboring decks), nor to what would be caused by filling
the area (not subject to a setback). (See Findings 3, 17, :~8;
resolving the remaining part of Issue 5). It would not be reasonable
to requir. LEe Applicant to relocate or do awav with the deck unless some
~nviro'nmental purpose would be served. (~iven the apparent lack of
public purpose that would be served by enforcing an additional 4 or
19 feet of separation from the wetland, substantial justice would be
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done by grantingOvariance for the deck (resollIIg Issue 2).
Based on the above rationale, the following Conclusions of Law are
reached.
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1. The proposed house in the "adjacent area" qualifies under 661.11
for a variance of the setback required by 661.6(a)(1) for principal
buildings and other structures, enabling compliance with 661.9(c)(2).
2. The proposed deck in the "adjacent area" qualifies under 661.11
for a variance of the setback required by 661.6(a)(1) for principal
buildings and other structures, enabling compliance with 661.9(c)(2).
Whether or not the setback required by 661.6(a)(1) is 75' or an
"average" setback as calculated by Applicant is moot.
3. The proposed septic system in the "adjacent area" qualifie§'under
661.11 for a variance of the 100' setback required by 661.6(a)(2),
enabling compliance with 661.9(c)(2).
4. The proposed septic system meets the permit issuance standards
for "adjacent areas" specified in 661.9(c)(1).
5. The (a) house, (b) deck, and (c) septic system meet the permit
issuance standards for "adjacent areas" specified in 661.9(c)(3).
6. The revetment meets permit issuance standards under 661.9(c).
RECOMMENDATIONS
The Department should grant the requested ~ermit and variances.
Attachment: Plan of proposed project
FAX 518 485-7714; PHONE: 518 457-3468
Other persons requesting a copy of the decision:
David S. Corwin
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extent it implies the Department is compel~ll to approve a
permit for a smaller dock, if applied for by the Applicant, based upon
the existence of previous permits approved for the Applicant's
property. The determination of whether or not to grant a permit must
be_~g__overned .b..y the site specific factors exiting at the time a permit
a_pplication is made, including particularly the current state of th~
natural resour(;es at the site. See In the Matter of the Application of
Richard and Carol Leibner, Decision of the Commissioner, March :[6,
2000; vacated on other grounds, Leibner v. NYSDEC, 291 A.D.2d 558
(2nd Dept. 2002).
Accordingly, the application for the requested permits is denied.
I have also reviewed the record with respect to the ruling rendered
by the Al_] excluding the admission in evidence of permits for dock
structures issued by the Department in areas other than Noyack Bay
and concur that they lack sufficient relevance to the instant
proceeding, Accordingly, I decline to open the record for their receipt
in evidence,
For the New York State Department
of Environmental Conservation
/s/
By: Erin M, Crotty, Commissioner
Albany, New York
July 8, 2002
STATE OF NEW YORK
DEPARTMENT OF ENVTRONMENTAL CONSERVATI'ON
625 Broadway
Albany, New York :[2233-1550
In the Matter
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the Application for a tidal wetlands permit, use and protection of
water permit,
and water quality certification pursuant to
the Environmental Conservation Law (ECL) Articles :[5 and 25 and
Title 6
of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and Regulations of
the State of New York (6 NYCRR) Parts 608 and 66:[
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STEPHEN KROFT
Permit Application No, 1-4736-05614/00001
HEARING REPORT
PROCEED'rNGS
- by-
/s/
Richard R. Wissler
Administrative Law .ludge
An application for permits from the New York State Department of
Environmental Conservation (the "Department" or "DEC") was made
by Stephen Kroft, 2211 Broadway, New York, New York 10024 (the
"Applicant"), for construction of a private dock facility. The proposed
project would be located at the Applicant's private residence at 3541
Noyack Road, Noyack, New York. The site is in the Hamlet of Noyack,
Town of Southampton, Suffolk County, and is on the south shore of
Noyack Bay, a part of the Peconic Estuary.
The project would require a Tidal Wetlands permit pursuant to
Environmental Conservation Law (ECL) Article 25 and Part 661 of
Title 6 of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and Regulations of
the State of New York (6 NYCRR Part 661), a Protection of Waters
permit pursuant to ECL Article 15, Title 5 and 6 NYCRR Part 608, and
a Water Quality Certification pursuant to 6 NYCRR Section 608.9.
By letter dated March 9, 2001, Department Staff advised the
Applicant that his permit application was denied because the dock as
proposed did not meet the standards for permit issuance as
articulated particularly in 6 NYCRR 661.9(b)(1)(i),(ii) and (iii). The
proposed structure would have an undue impact on the present and
potential values of the tidal wetlands at this site, Department Staff
asserted. Moreover, according to Department Staff, the proposal is
not reasonable and necessary taking into account reasonable
alternatives such as the use of a mooring to anchor a boat.
Pursuant to ECL Article 8 (State Environmental Quality Review Act)
and 6 NYCRR Part 617, the Department Staff determined that the
proposed project is a Type :IT action, a residential dock, requiring no
further review pursuant to those regulatory provisions.
The matter was referred to the Department's Office of Hearings and
Mediation Services to schedule a hearing. A Notice of Hearing was
published on .lune 27, 2001, in the Department's Environmental
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The hearing began on August 13, 2001, at the North Haven Village
Hall, 335 Ferry Road, North Haven, New York, before Richard R.
Wissler, Administrative Law 3udge (AL]). The hearing continued,
before Al] Wissler, on the following dates: August 15, October 3, 4
and 5, December 3, 4, 6, 19 and 20, 2001.
The Applicant was represented by Eric 3. Bressler, Esq., of the law
firm of Wickham, Wickham &. Bressler, P.C., Mattituck, New York. The
Department Staff was represented by Craig L. Elgut, Esq., Assistant
Regional Attorney, DEC Region 1, Stony Brook, New York.
The Notice required that petitions to intervene be filed by August 3,
2001, and that written public comments on the proposed project be
received by the AL] prior to the hearing. The AL] received 5 written .
comments and no petitions_~to intervene. Th'~comments opposed the .2.~.~1!~[
p~opo~ed project and came from local residents and an environmental-~' ¥
a'dy~ocacy organization called Grou~p_~For The gouth F~rk. Their- - '.
comments expressed doncerns-over the size of the proposed project, ,- '~.
t~e lac_k, of other docks in the area exc-~ept for one at a restaurant
built before enactment of the DEC tidal wetlands regulations, the
impact of the project on the ecology of the area and the interference
Ch-~ dock would pose to the public's use and enjoyment of this section
of Noyack Bay. A petition containing 157 signatures of individuals
opposed to the project was among the written comments received.
Pursuant to the Notice, the AL] convened the public legislative
hearing at 11:00 AM on Monday, August 13, 2001, at the
aforementioned North Haven Village Hall. Fourteen persons spoke at
the hearing, including the Applicant. Thomas Samuels commented
that there are other docks on Noyack Bay which he has designed and
built, that they have to be built substantially to withstand winter ice
impacts and that they are not detrimental to either navigation or the
environment. Robert Reiser, Mayor of the Village of North Haven,
commented that he was there to observe the proceeding because
North Haven was at that time assessing their current policies with
respect to docks as part of the overall development of a harbor
management plan for the Village. ]on Semlear, a Town of
Southampton Trustee, expressed his personal concern that the
granting of this permit could lead to a proliferation of other docks
along this section of Noyack Bay. David Corwin, an engineer and dock
designer, who also testified on behalf of the Applicant at the
adjudicatory hearing, stressed the need to make a dock substantial
enough to withstand winter ice impacts. 3ean C. Land, a member of
the South Fork Groundwater Task Force, stressed the need to protect
the waters of the Peconic Estuary, and stated that the construction of
this dock and others that would follow would be detrimental to this
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effort. Michael the AppJicant's next door~ighbor, spoke in
favor of the project and had no objections to it either environmentally
or aesthetically. Steven Reiter said he had visited the site with the
Applicant's consultant and found the area to have few dams. 3ulie
Penny, a neighbor of the Applicant's also residing on Noyack Road,
spoke in opposition to the dock and its potential impact to the
environment and noted that the Applicant could use a mooring as
other residents do; she also submitted a letter from she and her
husband which was read into the record. Richard Jackson, a geologist
who testified for the Applicant at the adjudicatory hearing, said the
proposed dock would have no geological impact. Nancy Haynes, a
manager of three marinas in the area, said that they are filled at this
time with seasonal boats. Kevin McAIlister, the Peconic Bay Keeper
who testified for Department Staff at the adjudicatory hearing, said
that this dock and the proliferation of others like it would have a
cumulative negative impact on the ecology of Noyack Bay and the
Peconic Estuary and would also interfere with the public's right to use
and enjoy the Noyack Bay waterfront.
An Issues Conference was convened immediately following the public
legislative hearing. Only the Department Staff and the Applicant
participated as no one else had flied for party status. The reasons for
the Department Staff s denial were discussed. The issues for
adjudication were identified as follows:
Whether the proposed project meets the standards for issuance
of a tidal wetlands permit specified in 6 NYCRR 661.9(b)(1)(i),
(ii) and (iii);
Whether the proposed project meets the standards for issuance
of a protection of waters permit specified in 6 NYCRR 608.8; and
Whether the proposed project meets the standards for issuance
of a water quality certification pursuant to 6 NYCRR 608.9.
The parties agreed on the record that the above were the issues for
adjudication and the AL] so ruled, There was no appeal of this ruling,
The adjudicatory hearing then proceeded. The following witnesses
testified on behalf of the Applicant: Stephen Kroft, the Applicant in
this matter; Edward Burke, former owner of a property east of the
Kroft site; Richard Jackson, David Corwin, John Cronin, Olive Perry-
Weiss and Dr. Ronald W. Abrams, all of whom are environmental
consultants retained directly or indirectly by the Applicant; Harry
Reiter, a scalloper and clammer; and John Costello, a marine
contractor.
The following witnesses testified on behalf of the Department Staff:
Joan Croan, an area resident; George Stadnik, Marine Resource
Specialist T, DEC Region :[; Kevin McAIlister, Peconic Baykeeper;
Charles T. McCaffrey, Jr., Coastal Resource Specialist with the New
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York State Depar~ient of State; and Pamela Marine
Biologist
in the Marine Habitat Protection/Tidal Wetlands Unit, DEC Region 1.
The parties submitted briefs on or about February 1, 2002, and the
Applicants submitted a reply brief on March 1, 2002. The hearing
record closed on March 6, 2002, upon receipt of the Applicants' reply.
APPLI'CABLE REGULATORY PROVI'STONS
6 NYCRR 661.9(b)(1) states, in pertinent part: "The department shall
issue a permit for a proposed regulated activity on any tidal wetland
only if it is determined that the proposed activity:
(i) is compatible with the policy of the act to preserve and protect
tidal wetlands and to prevent their despoliation and destruction in
that such regulated activity will not have an undue adverse impact on
the present or potential value of the affected tidal wetland area or
adjoining or nearby tidal wetland areas for marine food production,
wildlife habitat, flood and hurricane and storm control, cleansing
ecosystems, absorption of silt and organic material, recreation,
education, research, or open space and aesthetic appreciation, as
more particularly set forth in the findings in section 66:~.2 of this
Part, taking into account the social and economic benefits which may
be derived from the proposed activity;
(ii) is compatible with the public health and welfare;
(iii) is reasonable and necessary, taking into account such factors as/1_.
reasonable alternatives to the proposed regulated activity and the
degree to which the activity requires water access or is water
dependent; and
(vi) complies with the use guidelines contained in section 661.5 of
this Part."
6 NYCRR 661.5(b)(:[5) lists the construction of docks more than four
feet in width as a generally compatible use in coastal shoals, bars and
flats and littoral zone, for which a permit is required.
With regard to the standards for issuance of a protection of waters
permit, 6 NYCRR 608.8 states: "The basis for the issuance or
modification of a permit will be a determination that the proposal is in
the public interest, in that: (a) the proposal is reasonable and
necessary; (b) the proposal will not endanger the health, safety or
welfare of the people of the State of New York; and (c) the proposal
will not cause unreasonable, uncontrolled or unnecessary damage to
the natural resources of the State, including soil, forests, water, fish,
shellfish, crustaceans and aquatic and land-related environment."
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With regard to thlIttandards for issuance of a ~t:er quality
certification, 6 NYCRR 608.9 states, in pertinent part: "Any applicant
for a Federal license or permit to conduct any activity, including but
not limited to the construction or operation of facilities that may
result in any discharge into navigable waters.., must apply for and
obtain a water quality certification from the department. The
applicant must demonstrate compliance with... (6) State statutes,
regulations and criteria otherwise applicable to such activities."
RULING
Introduction Into Evidence of DEC Issued Permits for Other
Dock Structures
The Applicant sought to introduce into the record during the hearing
evidence of, and copies of permits for, other dock structures issued in
the past by the Department. Some of these dock structures were in
Noyack Bay, but the great majority of these structures were located
in other areas such as Shelter island or the east side of the Village of
North Haven, not on Noyack Bay. The Applicant argued that these
structures and the sites where they were located were similar to the
Applicant's proposal and its site. The Department Staff pointed out
that the issue for this hearing was whether this proposal comported
with the standards for permit issuance, regardless of any decision
made on any other permit application. The Al_] ruled that the
Applicant would be allowed to introduce documentation with respect
to sites in Noyack Bay, but that documentation with respect to the
other sites was not relevant to this hearing and would be excluded.
Transcript, page 613, hereinafter, T and page number. The Applicant
renewed its motion to introduce this documentation toward the end of
the hearing and the motion was again denied by the AL]. T, p.1878.
In its closing brief and subsequent reply brief, the Applicant
requested that if the Commissioner determines not to grant the
instant application, she reverse the AL] and direct that the record be
reopened to receive the proffered evidence.
FINDINGS OF FACT
The Applicant in this matter is Stephen Kroft, 2211 Broadway,
New York, New York 10024. Mr. Kroft is the owner of a personal
residence in the Hamlet of Noyack, Town of Southampton, New
York, located at 3541 Noyack Road in Noyack which is the site of
the proposed project. The specific Suffolk County Tax Map
designation for the subject property is SCTM 900-6-1-47.8 &
47.9. Mr. Kroft acquired the property in 1998. The property is
improved by a two story residence, a stable with attached
apartment and a tennis court. The property is oriented northeast
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to southwes' along its northeast bord~ronts on Noyack
Bay for approximately 355 feet.
Noyack Bay is a body of water lying between ]essup's Neck to
the west, Mill Creek and the Hamlet of Noyack to the south and
the Village of North Haven to the east. At its widest part it is
approximately 2.7 miles across, from .]essup's Neck to North
Haven. From the northern tip of ]essup's Neck around the Bay to
the northwestern corner of North Haven, the beach runs for
about 7.5 miles. The entire length of .lessup's Neck, which is
approximately 2 miles, is included in the Elizabeth A. Morton
National Wildlife Refuge. From the base of .]essup's Neck in the
south, it is about .9 of a mile in an easterly direction to the
mouth of Mill Creek, a small body of water separate from the
Bay and site of several commercial marinas. From the mouth of
Mill Creek, the Bay's beach runs approximately I mile easterly to
the site of the Applicant's property. From the Applicant's
property, the beach runs in a southeasterly direction for about .3
of a mile and then in a northeasterly direction for approximately
1.4 miles until it reaches the southern boundary of the Village of
North Haven. This latter stretch of 1.4 miles for the most part
encompasses Long Beach, a municipal bathing beach facility.
From the southern boundary of the Village of North Haven, the
beach runs in a northwesterly direction approximately 1.9 miles
to the northwesterly corner of the Village. Noyack Bay is part of
the Peconic Estuary.
From the Applicant's property to the tip of ]essup's Neck, a
distance of about 4 miles, there are currently no commercial or
residential docks. Indeed, docks are not encountered to the west
of the Applicant's property until the Shinnecock Canal, some 8 or
more miles away.
Along the beach about 1500 feet to the east of the Applicant's
property is a transient commercial dock belonging to a
restaurant called the Salty Dog. This dock was built in the 1950's
or 1960's and rebuilt in the 1970's prior to the enactment of 6
NYCRR Part 661 in 1977. From the mean high water line
seaward, the Salty Dog dock is 89 feet in length and
approximately 6 feet wide. It has no other extensions or floats
and is of an open pile design without any wave curtains.
From the Salty Dog, moving in a northerly direction along the
Bay past Long Beach, no other docks are encountered until
within the Village of North Haven, approximately 1.7 miles away.
Between the Applicant's property and the Salty Dog there are 16
to 18 other parcels of land which front on Noyack Bay. To the
west of the Applicant's site there are approximately 60 to 80
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parcels of lal which front on Noyack Ba of these parcels
could be the site of a dock structure.
The placement of pilings during dock construction results in the
destruction or displacement of the benthic community beneath
the piling.
accretion of sand to the up current side and erosion of sand to
the down current side of a piling. This affects littoral drift in
Noyack Bay.
Turbidity in the water column is exacerbated from the presence
of a dock structure in Noyack Bay.
Although a vessel may be moored at shallower depths, the
effects of prop dredging are reduced when a boat is moored at
water depths of four feet or more.
While the use of chromated copper arsenate (CC:A) wood in dock
construction will result in the release of a certain level of these
toxic compounds to the environment, the impact will not likely
be significant enough to be harmful to aquatic life, according to
Assessment of the Risks to Aquatic Life from the Use of Pressure
Treated Wood in Water, a study published by the Department's
Division of Fish Wildlife and Marine Resources, in March 2000.
Moreover, other dock structures in Noyack Bay utilize CCA
lumber.
Vegetation on the Applicant's property between the residence
and the shore's high water line is heavily dominated by Spartina
patens (or high marsh grass). Seaward of the $partina patens,
between the mean high water and mean Iow water lines, is a
white sand beach with shells and cobbles which has detritus
consisting of various types of submerged aquatic vegetation
washed up along the shoreline. Further seaward, Iow water is
encountered at all times.
At the border of the property immediately to the west of the site
is a wetland which connects to Noyack Bay by a culvert and is
daily flushed by the ebb and flow of the tide. This wetland
provides fish and wildlife habitat for various juvenile species of
fish and shore birds such as the least tern and piping plover both
of which forage and nest along this entire section of Noyack Bay.
The wetland also functions as a source of marine food
production.
Other water fowl are also indigenous, including various species
of ducks, swans, blue heron, egrets and cormorants.
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The depth waters adjacent to the sit'are shallow, sloping
to about 4 feet at a distance 150 feet seaward of the property
along a line perpendicular to the shore, beginning at the mean
Iow water line.
In moving from the shore seaward, the bottom first consists of
course sand and larger cobbie for about 10 feet. At 20 feet from
shore, somewhat smaller cobble, rocks and sand are
encountered. At 30 feet from shore, detritus is encountered. At
40 feet, shells and smaller rocks appear and the sand becomes
medium fine. At 50 feet, rocks and cobble decrease and fine
sand, mud and silt begin to appear. The dark coloration of some
of the sand indicates biological activity from the breakdown of
plant material in the sediments. At 75 and 100 feet from shore,
the bottom consists of sand and shells and no larger cobbles are
encountered. At 150 feet, predominantly fine sediments are
encountered and at 175 and 200 feet the bottom consists of fine
sediments and mud. After 50 feet, the amount of dark coloration
in the sand steadily increases indicating the presence of a viable
benthic community.
Five different varieties of submerged aquatic vegetation (SAV)
thrive in the waters adjacent to the site. These include Codium
(green fleece), Ulva (sea lettuce), Entromorpha (hollow green
weed), as well as a species of red algae (Rhodophyta), and
Fucus, a .brown algae. These SAV varieties collectively cover
from 10 to 30 percent of the Bay bottom adjacent to the site
depending upon the time of year. This coverage is typical for the
near shore waters of Noyack Bay.
The various varieties of SAV constitute the very base of the food
chain and all of them require sunlight for survival. A diminution
of sunlight will cause a corresponding diminution in SAV growth
and production, often as much as 50 percent or more. The
complete deprivation of sunlight will result in the death of the
particular SAV variety.
In addition to forming the base of the food chain, SAV provides
marine habitat and protection for various other organisms and
species of fish, particularly juveniles.
Numerous species of aquatic fauna inhabit the waters seaward of
the site. These include three predominant species of fish,
Henidia (silversides), Pomatomus (young of the year bluefish)
and Fundulus (killiefish). Seventeen different varieties of
invertebrates embracing three separate Phyla are also found
here. Among Arthropoda, two shrimp, three crab and one
barnacle variety were observed. Among Annefida, four
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polychaete species were observed, i~uding tube worms
and clam worms. Among Plollusca, five gastropods were
observed including limpet, whelk, mud snail and two types of
slipper shells, as well as one bivalve, the quahog clam
( Plercenaria mercenaria ).
Residents and other visitors utilize this area of Noyack Bay for
the enjoyment of various recreational activities including
swimming, boating, walking the beach, shellfishing (especially
clamming), and waterskiing. As to boating, in addition to power
boats, various personal water craft are commonly used in the
area including kayaks, sailboats and windsurfers. IVlany of these
recreational activities occur in front of the site and, in fact,
particularly in the case of walking the beach, utilize the beach
immediately in front of the site.
The Applicant proposes to construct a new dock at the site
consisting of a 6 foot by 150 foot dock with a 6 foot by 40 foot
"L" at the seaward end and a 6 foot by 10 foot return extension
off the "L". ]~nside the first "L" and parallel to the dock would be
a 32 inch by 12 foot ramp leading to a 6 foot by 24 foot float.
The project would also entail the installation of 4 two pile
dolphins located within the "Ls" and 3 five pile dolphins located
on the seaward side of the "Ls". The shoreward end of the dock
would begin at the mean Iow water mark and would be
connected to the shore by a 6 foot by 36 foot ramp which would
extend shoreward to just above mean high water. Thus, from
the mean high water line, the proposed ramp and dock would
extend out 186 feet into the waters of Noyack Bay.
From the high water line, the proposed dock will cover a total of
1592 square feet, exclusive of the area occupied by the outboarc
pilings and dolphins, and will be the largest residential dock on
Noyack Bay. Moreover, the dock would be capable of mooring
several boats at one time, some of which could be of
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The stated purpose of the project is to provide the Applicant with
more convenient access to his 22 foot powerboat. Presently, the
Applicant moors his boat to a buoy which he accesses by a
dinghy. Utilization of the dinghy is an arduous task requiring an
expenditure of time of 20 to 30 minutes each way to and from
the mooring buoy. The dinghy, which is heavy, has to be
dragged across the cobble of the Applicant's beach to be
launched. Walking on the cobble while having to perform this
task only adds to the challenge. Rowing the dinghy is strenuous
and on the trip to and from the buoy, the small boat is subject
to capsize. Upon arriving at the powerboat, the dinghy has to be
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made fast before the latter can be ted. Getting aboard
the larger boat is dangerous since one could slip and be injured
by the propeller of the powerboat. Upon the return, the
powerboat has to be moored to the buoy which is difficult.
Rough seas or the wake from other boats only exacerbate the
difficulty. The time wasted in this mooring exercise each time he
wishes to use his powerboat has impacted the time he has to
spend with his family. The Applicant asserts that there are no
slips available in Mill Creek and that the drive to Sag Harbor a
few miles away where slips might be available would be
inconvenient. The proposed dock would enable the applicant to
merely walk to his boat and embark and disembark from it
conveniently and safely.
Official tidal wetland inventory map numbers 722-540 and 724-
540, prepared by the Department in 1974, show that the site
includes tidal wetlands. Specifically, the wetlands on the site are
labeled SM, denoting coastal shoals, bars and flats.
The prior owner of the Applicant's site, Steven C. Greene, did
obtain a permit from the Department to construct a dock at the
site in 1986. This permit, Number 10-84-1184, was issued
August 20, 1986, and ultimately expired on December 31, 1989.
The proposed project was for a catwalk and dock. The catwalk
was to be 4 feet wide and 25 feet long and would have run
landward from the high water line. The proposed dock would
have been 4 feet wide and 50 feet long and would have
connected with the catwalk at the high water line before running
seaward its 50 foot length. Accordingly, from the high water
mark, this structure would have extended out over the water
only 50 feet and covered an area of 200 square feet. This
project was never undertaken, however.
Beginning four residential properties to the east of the
Applicant's site, are the contiguous properties of Edward Barry
and Edward Burke, Jr., at 3625 and 3633 Noyack Road,
respectively. Their properties are separated from the beach along
their entire length by a bulkhead. Pursuant to a joint application,
the Department granted them a permit, Number 1-4736-
02553/00001, on March 11, 1996, to construct an open pile
dock, ramp and float along their common property line. The
project would have entailed construction of a 4 foot wide by 50
foot long fixed pier running seaward from the bulkhead.
According to the plans submitted, the high water line is
approximately ten feet seaward of the bulkhead. At the end of
this 50 foot pier would have been a 3 foot wide by 16 foot long
ramp which would have connected to two 6 foot by 16 foot
floats attached end to end. The project was never constructed,
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however. Th~forementioned permit ex on March 11, 1999,
and has not been renewed by the Department. Were it to have
been built, however, from the high water line, the project would
have extended seaward some 88 feet and covered 400 square
feet of the surface of Noyack Bay.
About 1500 feet east of the Applicant's property is the dock of
the Salty Dog restaurant. Tt is a commercial structure providing
transient mooring for its patrons. As noted in Finding Number 4,
above, this dock was built in the 1950's or 1960's and rebuilt in
the 1970's prior to the enactment of 6 NYCRR Part 661 in 1977.
From the apparent mean high water line seaward, the Salty Dog
dock is 89 feet in length and approximately 6 feet wide. It has
no other extensions or floats. Accordingly, from the mean high
line this structure covers 534 square feet of the waters of
Noyack Bay.
Beginning approximately one and a half miles northeast of the
site across the waters of Noyack Bay and running northwesterly
along the beach for about one mile, in the Village of North
Haven, are a series of six docks, five private residential docks
and one community dock constructed as part of West Banks, a
residential community development. Some of these docks were
constructed prior to the enactment of 6 NYCRR Part 661 in 1977.
Starting from the south and moving northwesterly along the
beachfront, the first four of the five docks are built on
contiguous residential parcels. They are located respectively at
the Tweed, Palmieri, Malloy and Morrell residences. All four of
these docks where either built or refurbished pursuant to a
permit issued by the Department. All that the record reveals
about the fifth residential dock is that it is north of the Morrell
dock but south of the West Banks dock and that it is a straight
dock structure 125 feet long. The Department has also issued a
permit for a dock at the Ernst residence which is south of and
contiguous with the Tweed residence. The Ernst dock has not yet
been constructed. Findings 30 through 35, following herein,
provide a description of the Ernst proposal and the Tweed,
Palmieri, Malloy, Morrell and West Banks docks.
Permit Number 1-4736-05339/00001 was issued by the
Department on _]une 12, 2000, to Dallas Ernst. The proposed
project entails construction of a 6 foot by 40 foot ramp running
seaward from the high water line where it connects to a 6 foot
by 100 foot dock, at the end of which it joins a 6 foot by 32 foot
"L". Tnside the "L" is a 4 foot by 8 foot ramp running parallel to
the dock and leading to a 4 foot by 24 foot lower platform. This
structure, if built, would cover 1160 square feet of the surface of
the waters of Noyack Bay. It would also be of a size similar to
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the docks ofl hboring properties. Moree the proposed
structure would be built along a section of the Noyack Bay
shoreline that has already been fragmented by other docks and
suffered irreparable degradation and damage to the immediate
marine habitat.
On April 25, :L989, the Department issued Permit Number 10-
88-2:[69 to Gary Tweed for a residential dock to be repaired or
reconstructed and added to in connection with the construction
of a single family house and other improvements on his
property. As to the dock, the project built included a 6 foot by
96 foot dock starting at the mean high water line and extending
seaward perpendicular to the shore. At the end of the dock is a
6 foot by 32 foot extension angled at 45 degrees to the right,
out into the water. The extension is joined by another 6 foot by
32 foot extension angled to the right at 45 degrees and thus
perpendicular to the initial 96 foot dock section. Within the "L"
thus created and parallel to this latter extension is a 5 foot by
32 foot platform. This structure, as built, when measured from
the high water line, covers ::[120 square feet of the waters of
Noyack Bay.
On May :[:[, 1999, the Department issued Permit Number
4736-03817/00005 to Victor Palmieri authorizing the
replacement and modification of a preexisting residential dock at
his property. Beginning at the high water line and moving
seaward, the construction resulted in the completion of a 6 foot
by 40 foot ramp leading to a 6 foot by 80 foot dock with an 8
foot by 40 foot "L" extension angled to the end of this dock.
Inside this angled "L" and parallel to it is a 6 foot by 24 foot
lower platform. Dolphins and a boat lift were also installed. The
completed structure covers 1:[84 square feet of the waters of
Noyack Bay.
On June 12, 1985, the Department issued Permit Number 10-
85-0584 to Patrick E. Malloy to reconstruct a 6 foot wide by 40
foot long section of an existing dock 180 feet in length, as well
as a 5 foot by 20 foot lower platform which parallels the dock.
This entire structure covers 1180 square feet of the waters of
Noyack Bay.
On December :[9, :[986, the Department issued Permit Number
:[0-86-1373 to George Morrell authorizing the extension of an
existing 8 foot by :[60 foot dock by the addition of an 8 foot by
32 foot "L" at the end thereof. This entire structure covers 1536
square feet.
On June 3, 1992, the Department issued Permit Number 10-87-
0121 to NFB Development Corp. for construction of a community
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37.
dock at West~nks, a residential communi ~in the Village of
North Haven. From the high water line, the project entailed
construction of a dock 4 feet wide by 125 feet long with a 4 foot
by 25 foot "L" extension at the seaward end. The project thus
built covers 600 square feet of the waters of Noyack Bay.
Noyack Bay has been included in numerous recent studies
recognizing and focusing on the unique marine habitat embraced
by the Peconic Estuary. These studies include Commercial Finfish
And Crustacean Landings From Peconic And Gardiners Bay, New
York, 1980-1992, published by the Department's Division of
Marine Resources in 1995; An Assessment Of Shellfish Resources
In The Deep Water Areas Of The Peconic Estuary, jointly
prepared by the Marine Sciences Research Center of S.U.N.Y.
Stony Brook and the Division of Environmental Protection of the
Town of Brookhaven in 1997; An Assessment Of Shellfish
Resources In The Tributaries And Embayments Of The Peconic
Estuary, issued by the Cornell Cooperative Extension of Suffolk
County Marine Program in 1998; and Species Composition,
Seasonal Occurrence and Relative Abundance of Finfish and
Macroinvertebrates Taken by Smafl-Mesh Otter Trawl in Peconic
Bay, New York, published by the Department's Division of Fish,
Wildlife and Marine Resources in 1998.
The study of Noyack Bay has also been included as one of the
components of the Peconic Estuary Program which is part of the
National Estuary Program administered by the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The Peconic Estuary is
one of only 28 estuaries in the United States included in the EPA
program. Of particular importance in this regard is a study of
submerged aquatic vegetation (SAV) prepared by Cashin
Associates, P.C., in 1996, for the Suffolk County Department of
Health Services, the local agency with coordination and oversight
responsibility for the Peconic Estuary component of the National
Estuary Program. The study, entitled Peconic Estuary Program
Final Submerged Aquatic Vegetation Study, asserts that SAV
beds constitute one of the most important habitats in the Peconic
Estuary providing various habitat functions essential to the
Estuary's biota. The study concludes that:
· SAV beds are responsible for a large portion of the primary
production that forms the base of the Estuary's food chain.
SAV provides nursery areas, and shelter and protection for
various species of finfish and invertebrates, many of which
are of recreational or commercial importance,
· $AV provides surfaces for the attachment of various
epiphytes and epifauna, which increases species diversity
and ab~t lance compared to areas
Ilack vegetation.
All SAV is involved in nutrient cycling, since these plants
absorb nutrients (e.g., nitrogen and phosphorus) from the
surrounding environment, and re-release those nutrients
through organic decay.
Rooted SAV stabilizes bottom sediments, even through the
enormous stresses of hurricanes and northeast storms.
SAV slows currents and waves in the near-bottom zone
and, thereby, promotes sedimentation of particles from the
water column, inhibits resuspension of previously settled
particles, and moderates water column turbidity.
Pages 8-9, Peconic Estuary Program Final Submerged Aquatic
Vegetation Study.
38.
An objective of the aforementioned Peconic Estuary Program was
the development of a comprehensive management plan for the
Estuary. ]~n 200:1, this effort resulted in the issuance of the
Comprehensive Conservation and Management Plan ( CCMP) for
the Peconic Estuary. With issuance of this exhaustive document,
the Peconic Estuary Management Conference, which was
responsible for its development, made the following declarations
and pledge:
"The Peconic Estuary is an important natural resource that
provides incomparable beauty and significant recreational and
commercial benefits;
The Peconic Estuary's living resources, water quality, and
aesthetic character have suffered from development and other
human uses; and
Restoration and protection of the Peconic Estuary's
environmental quality require focused management by a
partnership of Federal, State, and local governments, affected
industries, academia, and the public.
We therefore pledge to restore and protect the environmental
quality of the Peconic Estuary through the preparation and
implementation of the Comprehensive Conservation and
Management Plan." CCPIP, p. 1-1.
39. Chapter Four of the CCMP entitled, Habitat and Living Resources
Management Plan, enumerates eight Objectives for this latter
Plan, includir ~inter alia, the following:
Objective 1) Preserve and enhance the integrity of the
ecosystems and natural resources present in the study area so
that optimal quantity and quality of fish and wildlife habitat and
diversity of species can be assured and conservation and wise
management of the consumable, renewable natural resources of
the estuary are promoted and enhanced.
Objective 3) Protect and enhance the ecosystems and the
diversity of ecological communities and habitat complexes
throughout the system, particularly tidal wetlands, eelgrass
meadows, and beaches and dunes by preventing or minimizing
loss, degradation, and fragmentation and by maintaining and
restoring natural processes essential to the health of the estuary
and its watershed.
Objective 4) Restore degraded habitats to maintain or increase
native species and community diversity, provide connectivity of
natural areas, and expand existing natural areas.
Objective 6) Protect and enhance species which are endangered,
threatened, or of special concern throughout the system by
mitigating stresses to these species and ensuring essential
habitats crucial for their survival.
Objective 7) Promote coordination and cooperation among
Federal, state, and local governments and stakeholders to
maximize protection, stewardship, and restoration of the Peconic
Estuary.
Objective 8) Develop and carry out an estuary-wide research,
monitoring, and assessment program to guide and evaluate
management decisions concerning the estuary and to ensure
management and policy decisions are based on the best
available information. CCMP, p. 4-1.
40.
40) To achieve these six Objectives, certain specific actions
called Habitat and Living Resources Actions (HLRs) are
recommended. Of these Actions, HLR-2 seeks to "Manage
Shoreline Stabilization, Docks, Piers, and Flow Restriction
Structures to Reduce or Prevent Additional Hardening and
Encourage Restoration of Hardened Shorelines to a Natural
State." CCMP, p. 4-30.
· In its discussion of HLR-2, with respect to shoreline
hardening structures such as bulkheads, the CCMP
recommends that there "ideally" be no net increase in such
structures and that various land use planning regulations
and find ~ial incentives be explored !ncourage
landowners to remove such structures. CCfifP, pp, 4-30 and
4-31.
With respect to docks, the HLR-2 discussion, while not
specifically asserting that no further docks be constructed,
contains the following cautionary language: "The cumulative
impacts of docks will eventually contribute to the
degradation of local water quality and natural communities
through fragmentation of habitats, shading of submerged
aquatic vegetation and other potential impacts." CCMP, p.
4-31. Continuing, the CCfvlp concludes, "Tt is not clear just
how many of these structures exist in the Peconics and
exactly where they are located. A concentrated effort to
identify all of them and to assess the impacts that they
have had and are having on adjacent natural communities
will help in the development of recommendations on how to
manage them in the future." ~d., at 4-31 and 4-32.
In order to be approved, the Applicant's project must be
found by the New York State Department of State to be
consistent with the State Coastal Policies of the New York
Coastal Management Program (CMP). Policies 20 and 44 of
the CMP provide as follows:
Policy 20) Access to the publicly owned foreshore and to
lands immediately adjacent to the foreshore or the water's
edge that are publicly owned shall be provided and it shall
be provided in a manner compatible with adjoining uses.
Policy 44) Preserve and protect tidal and freshwater
wetlands and preserve the benefits derived from these
areas.
The publicly owned foreshore, as pertinent to this matter
and as contemplated in CMP Policy 20, is the shoreline of
Noyack Bay seaward of the mean high water mark.
The proposed dock structure will cover 1592 square feet of
the Noyack Bay surface resulting in the shading of
submerged aquatic vegetation (SAV) beneath the structure
to an equivalent extent. Moreover, the total amount of
shading will be somewhat increased above this level by the
shading caused by the permanent outboard pilings and
dolphins as well as the presence of boats moored at the
structure which will vary with the time of day, the length of
time, and the size and number of vessels moored. Although
the SAV will receive the benefit of some ambient light
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beneatt~e structure, a permanent tinution of sunlight
beneath the structure will occur. This will result in the
diminution of SAV growth beneath the structure by as much
as 50 percent. Moreover, this permanent impact would be
imposed on an area of Noyack Bay which presently only has
SAV over 10 to 30 percent of the bottom.
The granting of a permit for a dock in this predominantly
unbroken shoreline could lead to a proliferation of docks at
other nearby sites leading to a permanent fragmentation
and degradation of the shoreline and the tidal wetland
ecosystem in the vicinity of the site.
The proposed structure would extend from above the mean
high water line seaward obstructing the public's right of way
along the beach in front of the Applicant's property.
Although perhaps unavailable at the time of this hearing
and perhaps subject to a waiting list at some locations, in-
the-water boat slips are available at nearby marinas in Hill
Creek, Parson Creek and Sag Harbor. Moreover, nearby
marina facilities also provide out-of-the-water rack storage
for recreational boats, which is available to the Applicant.
The Applicant currently utilizes a mooring buoy to anchor
his 22 foot power boat. This buoy is located in water that is
7 feet in depth as measured from mean Iow water. The
bottom at the mooring buoy site is sand and cobbles. The
tide ranges 2 I/2 to 3 feet at the site of the mooring buoy.
Approximately 29 feet of chain connect the anchor of the
mooring to its buoy. Depending upon the depth of the
water, this can result in 20 to 25 feet of chain dragging
along and scouring the bottom.
At present, there are about 25 mooring buoys utilized in
Noyack Bay.
With the construction of the Ernst dock there will be a total
of six private residential docks in all of Noyack Bay, all of
which will be located in the Village of North Haven more
than a mile and a half across the Bay from the Applicant's
site.
DISCUSSION
Undue Adverse :Impacts )
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Section 661.9(b)(I~t(i) of 6 NYCRR directs the D~artment, in
considering a tidal wetlands permit application, to make a
determination that the proposed activity "is compatible with the policy
of the act to preserve and protect tidal wetlands and to prevent their
despoliation and destruction in that such regulated activity will not
have an undue adverse impact on the present or potential value of
the affected tidal wetland area or adjoining or nearby tidal wetland
areas for marine food production, wildlife habitat, flood and hurricane
and storm control, cleansing ecosystems, absorption of silt and
organic material, recreation, education, research, or open space and
aesthetic appreciation, as more particularly set forth in the findings in
section 661.2 of this Part, taking into account the social and economic
benefits which may be derived from the proposed activity." This
analysis must begin with a consideration of the ecosystem currently
present at the site.
As is clear from the record, numerous flora and fauna presently
thrive at and near the Applicant's property. The area upland of the
shore, heavily dominated by Spartina patens, as well as a wetland
immediately to the west which is daily flushed by the ebb and flow of
the tide, provide fish and wildlife habitat for various species of
juvenile fish and a nesting and foraging area for shore birds,
including the piping plover and the least tern. Other water fowl are
also found at the site, including various species of ducks, swans, blue
heron, egrets and cormorants.
Numerous species of aquatic fauna inhabit the waters seaward of the
site. These include three predominant species of fish, Menidia
(silversides), Pornatomus (young of the year bluefish) and Fundulus
(killiefish). Different varieties of invertebrates embracing three
separate Phyla are also found here. Among Arthropoda, shrimp, crab
and barnacle are observed. Among Anne#da, polychaete worm
species are found, including tube worms and clam worms. Among
Mollusca, various gastropods thrive here, including limpet, whelk,
mud snail, slipper shells and the bivalve quahog clam (Mercenaria
mercenaria ).
Five different varieties of submerged aquatic vegetation (SAV) thrive
in the waters adjacent to the site. These include Codiurn (green
fleece), UIva (sea lettuce), Entromorpha (hollow green weed), as well
as a species of red algae (Rhodophyta), and Fucus, a brown algae.
Depending upon the time of year, these SAV varieties collectively
cover from l0 to 30 percent of the Bay bottom adjacent to the site.
These various varieties of SAV are extremely important to the
ecosystem at the site and to the various species that inhabit and feed
at the site. Indeed, the SAV constitute the very base of the food
chain, providing food for microorganisms which become food for
other invertebrat~ nd vertebrate species whic~ turn, become a
food source for other species higher on the food chain, including
shore birds, water fowl and, in fact, humans. Moreover, the SAV
provide shelter and protection for juvenile fish and other organisms,
thus enhancing the survival of each of these species. Accordingly, any
adverse impact to the SAV will have a corresponding adverse impact
on each and every organism that depends on the SAV for food or
protection. With respect to the Applicant's site, the primary adverse
impacts to the SAV are the effects of shading caused by the proposed
project, as well as the potential for the proliferation of similar dock
structures and the fragmentation of the tidal marine habitat caused
by such docks.
Zmportance of Submerged Aquatic Vegetation (SAV) and the
Effects of Shading
As the record makes clear, in this case SAV is of great importance to
the marine ecosystem at the Applicant's site. This conclusion is
supported not only by the recent studies of the Peconic Estuary
generally, noted above, but by the on-site inspection and verification
of five SAV species. As Pamela Lynch, Department Staff Marine
Biologist, pointed out, these plant species represent "a lush and
diverse plant community. Each plant is the food source and a habitat
for different invertebrate and fish, not just one species but many,
showing that there is a food web. Many different organisms feeding
on many different plants living in and among each other. Any
disturbance to this area is going to have a significant impact to the
marine food production and the community system there." T, pp.
1368-1369. Although the Applicant presented evidence that the SAV
at or near the docks located in North Haven was similar to that found
at the Applicant's site, the significant importance of SAV to the
benthic community at the Applicant's site was not refuted.
With respect to shading, Department Staff Marine Biologist George
Stadnik asserted that the proposed dock structure would limit the
amount of sunlight penetration and, accordingly, limit the amount of
SAV beneath the dock. T, p. 1039. If the SAV cover at the Applicant's
site is 10 percent, a potential for no SAV cover beneath the dock
exists. Id. Mr. Stadnik pointed out that while the precise percentages
could not be determined unless the proposed structure was actually
built, so that the effects of height above the water and alignment of
the dock with respect to the daily passage of the sun could be directly
observed, in his opinion, SAV growth beneath the proposed structure
would be reduced by 50 percent. T, pp. 1039-1042. Department Staff
Marine Biologist Pamela Lynch essentially concurred with Mr. Stadnik,
and opined that for an area two feet wide directly beneath the
centerline of the 6 foot wide dock, SAV growth would be reduced by
50 percent and by 25 percent in the two foot wide area on either side
of the medial two~iot area. T, pp. 1553-1586.~1~1e Applicant's
expert, Dr. Ronald W. Abrams, sought to refute this position by
opining that the SAV in this area will get adequate sunlight
throughout the day including ambient light beneath the proposed
dock. T, pp. 1780-1781. Although not indicating the precise elevation
above the water, Dr. Abrams asserted that if the dock is built to a
certain height, the effect of shading is negligible. T, p. 1780.
Moreover, he argued, that even if the proposed dock completely
shades :[600 square feet, this would be an insignificant impact when
compared to the ecology of the entire Bay. T, p. 1779.
While Dr. Abrams' arguments are cogent, they do not refute the fact
that dock structures like the one proposed do, in fact, shade SAV and
impact their ability to thrive. Moreover, this impact would only be
exacerbated by the outboard dolphins and pilings proposed, as well as
the potential mooring of multiple vessels at the site. Given the
importance of SAV to the marine ecosystem at this site and the fact
that, at some seasons of the year, SAV bottom coverage at the site is
only 10 percent, shading from the proposed dock structure will result
in an undue adverse impact on the present and potential value of the
tidal wetlands at the site. Moreover, the analysis required by 6
NYCRR 661.9(b)(1)(i) is site specific. In the Matter of the Application
of Richard and Carol Leibner, Decision of the Commissioner, March
16, 2000; vacated on other grounds, Leibner v. NYSDEC, 291 A.D.2d
558, 738 N.Y.S.2d 65, 2002 N.Y. Slip Op. 01490 (A.D.2d Feb. 25,
2002). The fact that the size of the Applicant's project is minuscule
when compared to the entire area of Noyack Bay is irrelevant and
does not negate the existence of important tidal wetland functions at
the site essential to the survival of the marine community located
there.
Potential for the Proliferation of Other Dock Structures and
Fragmentation of the Shoreline
The standards for permit issuance articulated in 6 NYCRR
661.9(b)(1)(i) require that the Department determine that the
proposed activity will not have an undue adverse impact, not only on
the present value of a particular tidal wetland, but on potential value
as well. Accordingly, it is appropriate for the Department to consider
the impact of future projects similar to that proposed by an applicant
and the cumulative impact these projects could have on the subject
tidal wetlands. Failure to engage in this predictive analysis would be
to ignore the fundamental purpose of the State's tidal wetlands laws
and regulations which is to preserve and protect tidal wetlands and to
prevent their despoliation and destruction. Moreover, such an
approach would disregard the dictates of ECL Section 3-0301(1)(b),
which requires the Department to consider the cumulative impacts of
a project in connection with permit application review.
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presence or absence of other dock structures in the area where a
new structure of this type is proposed. Where the shoreline and
indigenous tidal wetlands have already been subject to degradation
and despoliation by other docks or other shoreline hardening
structures, the Department may rely upon this as one determining
factor in granting a permit for a new dock structure. As the record
shows, this is indeed the case with the Ernst permit application. T,
pp. 140,~-1405. This dock is proposed to be constructed contiguous
to five other pre-existing residential docks in the Village of North
Haven, a mile and a half across Noyack Bay from the Applicant's
property. As a result of these pre-existing structures, the tidal
wetlands in that immediate area are already fragmented and
disturbed. The addition of the Ernst dock in this area would not result
in an undue adverse impact.
Department Staff expressed concern that granting the instant
application could result in the proliferation of docks in the area of the
Applicant's property where currently none exist except for the
commercial Salty Dog dock. This dock was built prior to the
enactment of 6 NYCRR Part 661 and is some 1500 feet eastward of
the proposed site. T, pp. 854 and 1441. This concern is not
unfounded. While the dock structures in North Haven are not relevant
to the siting of a dock structure on this stretch of the Noyack Bay
shoreline, the fact that other dock structure permits have been issued
in the past by the Department for this site as well as a neighboring
site are relevant, namely, the Greene and Barry/Burke applications.
Neither of these proposed dock structures was ever built, and the
permits for them have expired. But the fact that these permits were
issued in the past is indicative of a potentially ongoing interest in the
construction of residential docks in an expanse of the Noyack Bay
shoreline that has heretofore remained untouched by such structures.
Moreover, it is clear that since these permits were issued, a
heightened sensitivity to the importance of the marine ecosystem in
the Peconic Estuary has occurred, as evidenced, for example, by the
promulgation of the CCI~P in 2001. As this document emphasizes, the
cumulative environmental impacts of the proliferation of docks cannot
be ignored. The CCMP's assertion at page 4-3:[ bears repeating here:
"The cumulative impacts of docks will eventually contribute to the
degradation of local water quality and natural communities through
fragmentation of habitats, shading of submerged aquatic vegetation
and other potential impacts." While the CCMP does not have the force
of taw, it does express current thinking with respect to dock
structures in the Peconic Estuary and is therefore a reasonable
touchstone to be considered when determining whether a proposed
activity comports with the policy of the State's tidal wetland laws and
regulations which is to preserve and protect tidal wetlands and to
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prevent their desl~lliation and destruction.
With respect to fragmentation, Department Staff offered testimony
that a dock at the Applicant's site would fragment the benthic habitat,
especially impacting sessile organisms. T, p. 1673. The physical
presence of the dock would also disrupt littoral drift along this section
of the Noyack Bay shoreline. T, p. 1672. impacts from the
fragmentation of the habitat by one dock would be proportionately
greater than that resulting from the addition of another dock in an
area where other docks already existed because, in the latter
instance, fragmentation of the habitat and degradation of the habitat
would have already occurred. This is why the cumulative impacts of
dock structures is so important. T, pp. 1683-1684. Although he
disagreed with the Department Staff's view of fragmentation stating
that it should be viewed as a process, the Applicant's expert, Dr.
Ronald W. Abrams, while asserting that the Applicant's project would
not have a significant adverse environmental impact, agreed that it
was reasonable for the Department to consider the future cumulative
impacts of docks, provided the consideration was based upon
appropriate scientific studies. T, pp. 1788, :[790 and 1863-1864.
Although stating that in his understanding such studies did not exist,
he agreed that from a scientific standpoint there is a point at which,
environmentally, the proliferation of docks becomes impermissibly
excessive. T, p. 1864.
The record in this matter indicates that there are about 18 residential
sites east of the Applicant's property that could each be the site of a
residential dock structure. To the west, there are perhaps 60 or more
potential sites for residential dock structures. The Applicant's site
was, in fact, the site for a dock permit issued in 1986 authorizing a
residential dock structure 4 feet wide and 50 feet long covering a
total of 200 square feet of the waters of Noyack Bay. This dock was
never constructed. A nearby neighbor to the east was granted a
permit in 1996 to build a residential dock structure consisting of a
pier and floats that would have covered 400 square feet of the waters
of Noyack Bay. This dock was never constructed. The only dock that
exists on the Applicant's section of the Noyack Bay shoreline is a
commercial transient dock about 1500 feet to the east which covers
534 square feet of the waters of Noyack Bay and was constructed
before the enactment of the State's tidal wetland laws and
regulations. The Applicant's proposed dock would be the first
residential dock built on an otherwise unobstructed stretch of
shoreline running from the Shinnecock Canal 8 miles to the west to
the Village of North Haven 2 miles to the north and east. Based upon
these facts, Department Staff's consideration of the possible
proliferation of docks and the fragmentation of the marine habitat
occasioned by the docks is eminently reasonable.
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[nterference Wi Public Access
As the record indicates, the public currently enjoys unobstructed use
of the foreshore at the Applicant's property. Recreational activities in
this area which specifically involve the foreshore include shellfishing,
swimming and walking. The proposed project would interfere with
this public use and enjoyment, because of the magnitude of its size
and the fact that it would obstruct the foreshore to above the mean
high water mark. Testifying on behalf of Department Staff, Charles
McCaffrey, a Coastal Resource Specialist with the New York State
Department of State and responsible for ensuring that proposed
waterfront projects are consistent with the articulated Policies of the
New York Coastal Management Program (CMP), pointed out that CMP
Policy 20 (see, Finding of Fact 43, above), embodies the Public Trust
Doctrine and essentially provides "that the public's right to the use of
the foreshore should be protected and increased consistent with the
nature of surrounding land use." T, p. 1274. Based upon his review of
the Applicant's proposal, its location on Noyack Bay, the fact that
there are no other docks in the immediate area and the public uses
existent in the area, McCaffrey opined "that given the nature of the
public uses in this area, the alternatives that would be available to
the applicant to exercise his littoral rights, that a project other than
as proposed would be more consistent with our obligations under
Policy 20 of the Public Trust Doctrine to protect [the] public's use of
this area." T, pp. 1275-1276. During cross examination, Mr.
McCaffrey pointed out that the CMP consistency analysis necessary to
a particular project would depend on a consideration of the facts
unique to that site. T, p. 1289. He did concede that the public's right
to walk the foreshore at the site could be maintained by the
installation of stairs going up and over the dock as well as permission
from the Applicant to the public to walk around the dock landward of
the structure's end. T, p. 1291. However, expressing concern over the
total square footage of the proposed project, Mr. McCaffrey asserted
that the Department of State in its review would seek to ensure that
the design of any proposed residential dock be of the minimum size
necessary to afford the landowner his or her riparian rights while at
the same time minimizing the effect on the public's use. T, p. 1303.
While a viable solution may exist to address the public's right to walk
the beach in front of the Applicant's property, it is apparent from this
record that the sheer size of the proposed project will still
permanently impair public's heretofore unobstructed access to this
open expanse of beach along the waters of Noyack Bay. The
proposed dock will be an obstacle to swimmers, boaters and
shellfishers. While the CMP consistency review is solely within the
purview of the Department of State, it would appear that the design
parameters of the project far exceed the minimum intrusion upon the
public's right of access contemplated by CMP Policy 20.
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,,"/ Reasonableness~f and Necessity for the ~'
From the high water line, the Applicant's proposed dock structure
would extend 186 feet into the waters of Noyack Bay and cover :[592
square feet of the surface of the Bay and would be the largest
residential dock structure in ail of Noyack Bay. Tn fact, the total area
of the Bay impacted will be greater than 1592 square feet when the
presence of the proposed multiple outboard pilings and dolphins and
the potential to moor several boats at the dock at one time are taken
into account.
The residential docks located in North Haven are not entirely relevant
to the analysis here. First, they are remote, being all a mile and a
half away and more from the subject site and all located within the
Village of North Haven. Second, for the most part they extend from
contiguous properties and some of them were constructed prior to the
enactment of the tidal wetlands regulations in 1977. Third, and
relevant to this discussion, an irreparable degradation of the marine
habitat in this area has already occurred, due, in part, to the
proliferation of these docks.
Except for the Salty Dog dock 1500 feet away, the shoreline of
Noyack Bay is unobstructed by residential dock structures for
approximately 6 miles from the northerly tip of ]essup's Neck to the
proposed Ernst dock in the Village of North Haven. The Salty Dog
dock is a transient commercial dock which extends from the high
water line 89 feet into the waters of Noyack Bay and covers a total
area of 534 square feet. This commercial structure is only one third
the size of the structure proposed by the Applicant.
A 1986 permit issued by the Department to the site's prior owner,
Stephen C. Greene, to construct a residential dock at the Applicant's
site, proposed a structure that would have extended from the high
water line 50 feet into the waters of Noyack Bay and would have
covered an area of only 200 square feet. This structure, if built,
would have been one eighth the size of that proposed by the
Applicant.
A 1996 permit issued by the Department to contiguous neighbors four
properties to the east of the Applicant's property, Edward Barry and
Edward Burke, .]r., proposed a shared residential dock structure that
would have extended from the high water mark 88 feet into the
waters of Noyack Bay, covering a total area of 400 square feet. This
structure, if built, would have been only one fourth the size of that
proposed by the Applicant.
The Applicant owns a single 22 foot powerboat and, based upon the
record, needs the dock to provide convenient access to this vessel,
· · · · · · ·
to moor ~S
t-~-F r-~dential dock structures in
~ea of I~oyacR~y. Commercial marinas are a~ailol~le to th~--
Applicant providincj_~b th in-the-water boat slips and out-of-the-water
fia~ck stora eg~.
Based u on th s record, the AoDlicant's orooosal is simply not
r~e~-s-onabPle and necess~r-~-ii'g'ht of reasor;able alternatives available
to him.
CONCLUSTONS
I. The project does not comply with the standards in 6 NYCRR
661.9(b)(1)(i) in that it will have an undue adverse impact on
the present and potential value of the tidal wetland at the site
for marine food production, wildlife habitat, flood and hurricane
storm control, cleansing ecosystems, absorption of silt and
organic material, recreation and open space appreciation. In
particular, shading of submerged aquatic vegetation (SAV) by
this 1592 square foot structure will cause a significant diminution
in the ability of these species to survive. SAV forms the base of
the food chain and is essential to the survival and health of the
marine ecosystem at the site. The bottom coverage of SAV here
is already sparse, as little as l0 percent during certain seasons
of the year. Shading by the proposed dock will, therefore, have
an undue adverse impact on the aforementioned tidal wetland
values. Moreover, the proposed dock will have an undue adverse
impact on recreation in the area of the site, obstructing public
access along the beachfront, and diminishing shellfishing,
swimming, and recreational boating opportunities. Finally, the
potential value of the wetlands at and adjacent to the site would
be unduly and adversely impacted through the proliferation of
similar residential dock structures which could result should a
permit for the structure be issued.
2. The project does not comply with the standards in 6 NYCRR
661.9(b)(1)(ii) in that it is not compatible with the public health
and welfare. At present, the public enjoys unobstructed access
to nearly 6 miles of beachfront in this area of Noyack Bay. The
area is currently used by the public for walking, swimming,
shellfishing and recreational boating. The Applicant's proposal
would significantly diminish this fundamental right of access.
3. The project does not comply with the standards in 6 NYCRR
661.9(b)(1)(iii) in that it is not reasonable and necessary, taking
into account the reasonable alternatives that exist to the
proposed project. These alternatives include the continued
utilization of a mooring buoy, as is predominant in this section of
Noyack Bay; the utilization of a nearby commercial marina; or
proposal of a residential dock structure of much smaller size and
· · · · · ·
With regard to the standards for a protection of waters permit
pursuant to 6 NYCRR 608.8, as stated above, the project as
proposed is not reasonable and necessary and therefore does
not comply with Section 608.8(a). The project as proposed will
cause unnecessary damage to the natural resources of the state,
specifically SAV and the aquatic environment and therefore does
not comport with Section 608.8(c).
With regard to the standards for granting water quality
certification under 6 NYCRR 608.9, since the proposal does not
meet the tidal wetlands and protection of waters permit
requirements, it fails to be in compliance with state statutes,
regulations and criteria otherwise applicable to activities needing
water quality certification as required by Section 608.9(a)(6).
Accordingly, the certification required pursuant to 6 NYCRR
608.9 cannot be made.
RECOMMENDAT'rONS
! recommend that the application be denied without prejudice to
pursue a new application for a residential dock structure similar in
design and size to the Greene and Barry/Burke permits previously
issued by the Department.
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COUNTY OF SUFFOLK)
Joan Ann Weber of Mattituck, in said county, being duly
sworn, says that he/she is Principal clerk of THE SUFFOLK TIMES, a weekly
newspaper, published at Mattituck, in the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk
and State of New York, and that the Notice of which the annexed is a printed
copy, has been regularly published in said Newspaper once each week for
1 weeks, commencing on the 14th day of
October ,2004.
Sworn to before me this
2004
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CHRISTINA VOLINSKI
NOTARY PUBLIC-STATE OF NEW YORK
No. 01-VO6105050
Quahued in Suffolk County
Commission Expires February 28. 2008
Principal Clerk
day of ,~. '']
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN chat
dwelling. The property in question is
identified by SCTM# 1000-54-4-24.
ter 37 (Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas) of
53095 Main Road, Southold, New York.
RECEIVED
LEGAL NOTICE
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets
November 4, 2004 at 9:00 a.m., Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main road, Southold, New
York as the time and place for a public hearing on the question of appealing the
determination of the Southold Town Trustees dated August 18, 2004, which decision den/ed
the application of John Betsch to construct a two-story, single-family dwelling, in place of
his existing dwelling. The property in question is identified by SCTM# 1000-54-4-24.
The application was denied under Chapter 37 (Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas) of the Town
Code.
A more detailed description of the above mentioned application is on file in the Southold
Town Clerk's Office, 53095 Main Road, Southold, New York, and may be examined by any
interested person during business hours.
Dated: October 5, 2004
BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
ELIZABETH A. NEVILLE
SOUTHOLD TOWN CLERK
PLEASE PUBLISH ON OCTOBER 14, 2004, AND FORWARD ONE (1) AFFIDAVIT
OF PUBLICATION TO ELIZABETH NEVILLE, TOWN CLERK, TOWN HALL, PO
BOX 1179, SOUTHOLD, NY 11971.
Copies to the following:
The Suffolk Times
John Cushman, Accounting
Town Clerk's Bulletin Board
Town Board Members
Southold Town Trustees
Town Attorney
John Betsch
STATE OF NEW YORK)
SS:
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK)
ELIZABETH A. NEVILLE, Town Clerk of the Town of Southold, New York being duly
sworn, says that on the '~ day of ~__?cO [::>~n~ .2004, she affixed a notice of
which the annexed printed notice is a tree copy, in a proper and substantial manner, in a most
public place in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, to wit: Town Clerk's
Bulletin Board, 53095 Ma'm Road, Southold, New York.
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING FOR 11/4/04
tt~'~e[l~ X*. Neville
Southold Town Clerk
Sworn before me this
'~ ~day of ~[:~'. 2004.
- ' N~tary Public
LYNDA Mm BOHN
NOTARY PUBLIC, State of New
No. 0 IBO6020932
Qualified in Suffolk Count,/
Term Expires March 8,
ELIZABETH A. NEVILLE
TOWN CI,F-RK
REGISTRAR OF VITAL STATISTICS
MARRIAGE OFFICER
RECORDS MANAGEMENT OFFICER
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION OFFICER
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (631) 765-6145
Telephone (631) 765-1800
southoldtown.northfork.net
OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
October 7, 2004
Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested
Mr. John Betsch
3 Wincester Lane
Huntington, NY 11743
Dear Mr. Betsch:
Enclosed find one certified resolution adopted by the Southold Town Board at their regular
Town Board meeting held on October 5, 2004. Also find one copy of the Legal Notice that will
be published in the official 2004 Southold Town Newspaper, The Suffolk Times, October 14,
2004. A copy of this letter along with original inserts will also be sent to Twomey, Latham,
Shea & Kelly and Erin Cmtty, Commissioner of the NYSDEC.
If you have any further questions please fell free to contact Southold Town Assistant Town
Attorney, Kieran Comoran.
Very truly yours,
Elizabeth A. Neville
Southold Town Clerk
Encs.
cc: Twomey, Latham, Shea 8: Kelly
NYSDEC
SENDER' ~OMPLETE THIS SECTION
· Comple[,, cams 1, 2, and 3. Also complete
item 4 it Restricted Deliver/is desired.
· Print your name and address on the reverse
so that we can return the card to you.
· Affach this ca~ to ~e back of ~e m~lplece,
or on ~e from E ~ace ~rmits.
Mr John Betsch
3 Wincester Lane
Huntington, NY
11743
(Trustees Appeal)
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Mr Christopher Kelley
Attorney at Law
TWomey, Latham, Shea & Kell
PO Box 9398
Riverhead, NY 11901
(Trustees Appeal)
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ELIZABETH A. NEVILLE
TOWN CLERK
REGISTRAR OF VITAL STATISTICS
MARRIAGE OFFICER
RECORDS MANAGEMENT OFFICER
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION OFFICER
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (631) 765-6145
Telephone (631) 765-1800
southoldtown.northfork.net
OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
THIS IS TO CERTIFY THAT THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION NO. 743 OF 2004
WAS ADOPTED AT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
ON OCTOBER 5, 2004:
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets a public hearing for
November 4~ 2004 at 9:00 a.m. in the Meeting Hall of thc Southold Town Hall~ to hear the
appeal of the determination of the Southold Town Trustees dated August 18~ 2004~ which
decision denied the application of John Betsch to construct a two-story, single-family
dwelling, in place of his existing dwelling. The property in question is identified by SCTM#
1000-54-4-24. The application was denied under Chapter 37 (Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas)
of the Town Code.
Elizabeth A. Neville
Southold Town Clerk
PATRICIA A. FINNEGAN I
TOWN ATTORNEY
patricia.finnegan@town.southold.ny.us
KIERAN M. CORCORAN
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY
kieran.corcoran@town.southold.ny.us
LORI HULSE MONTEFUSCO
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY
lori.monte fusco@town.southold.ny.us
JOSHUA Y. HORTON
Supervisor
Town Hall Annex, 54375 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold~ New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631) 765-1939
Facsimile (631) 765-6639
OFFICE OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
To:
From:
Date:
Subject:
MEMORANDUM
Members of the Town Board
Patricia A. Finnegan, Town Attorney
September 21, 2004
Appeal of John Betsch
Please be advised that I have recused myself from all matters involving
the "Appeal of Denial of Co~3stal Erosion Management Permit to John Betsch",
which was filed with the ToWn Clerk on September 17, 2004. I had previously
recused myself from advising the Trustees on this matter.
Please direct all inquiries to Kieran Corcoran. Thank you for your
attention.
PAF/Ik
cc: Elizabeth Neville, Town Clerk ~ Board of Trustees
Kieran M. Corcoran, Esq., Assistant Town Attorney
ELIZABETH A. NEVILLE
TOWN CLERK
REGISTRAR OF VITAL STATISTICS
MARRIAGE OFFICER
RECORDS MANAGEMENT OFFICER
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION OFFICER
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (631) 765-6145
Telephone (631) 765-1800
southoldtown.northfork.net
OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
September 24, 2004
Erin Crotty, Commissioner
State of New York
Depmhiicnt of Environmental Conservation
50 Wolf Road
Albany, New York 12233
Dear Commissioner Crot~y:
Transmitted herewith is a copy of the "Appeal of Denial of Coastal Erosion Management
Permit of John Betsch, 2235 North Sea Drive, Southold, New York SCTM# 1000-54-04-
24. It is being sent for your information in accordance with Southold Town Code
Chapter 37, Section 35B. This matter has been assigned to our Assistant Town Attorney
Kiernan Corcorar~ You may contact him at 631 765-1939 for further information.
Very truly yours,
El/zabeth A. Neville
Southold Town Clerk
cc: Town Board
Town Attorney
Town Trustees
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1,HOMAS A. TWOMEY. JR.
STE[PHEN B. LATHAM
JOHN F SILVA, III
CH~ISTC)PNER O. KELLEy
TWO~EY, LATHAM, SHEA & KELLY,
Post Office Box 9398
Riverhead
New York 11901-9399
33 West Second Street
RIverhead
New York 11901-9398
Telepr~one' 631.727.21 80
Facslrnlle: 631.727.1767
WWW. SUffoIklaw. com
Email address: ckelley@suffolklaw.com
Direct fax: (631) 727-2385
Ext. 223
LLP
OF COUNSEL
KENNETH p. LAVALLE
JOAN C HAI'FIELD
ANNE MARIE GOODALE
LAURA I. ~UAZZlN
Coastal Erosion Hazard
Board of Review
c/o Supervisor, Joshua Y. Horton
Town of Southold
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
September 17, 2004
RECEIVED
SEP 1 7 2,]04
$o,.,t.t~cl '~ T~wn Clerk
RE:
Appeal of Denial of Coastal Erosion Management Permit
to John Betsch, 2325 North Sea Drive, Southold
SCTM #54-04-24
Dear Supervisor Horton & Members of the Board:
Pursuant to Section 37-34 and 37-35 of the Southold Code ("Town Code"), please
accept this correspondence as the written appeal of John Betsch from the decision of the
Board of Trustees for the Town of Southold ("Trustees"), acting in its capacity as the
Administrator of the Town of Southold Coastal Erosion Hazard Law, dated August 18,
2004 (a copy of which is annexed hereto as Exhibit "A'), denying his application for a
Coastal Erosion Management Permit to construct a two-story, single-family dwelling
with a two-car garage, in place of his existing one-story two-car garage dwelling, at the
above-referenced property.
For the reasons set forth below, Mr. Betsch is requesting that the Town Board
invoke its authority as the Coastal Erosion Hazard Board of Review to set aside the
Trustees' decision as erroneous pursuant to Section 37-34:B of the Town Code or, in the
alternative, to permit the proposed construction by way of a variance pursuant to
Section 37-34:A of the Town Code.
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September 17, 2004
Page 2
FACTUALBACKGROUND
At the present time, the Betsch's home on North Sea Drive is a small summer
cottage with a garage, deck and patio. (Photographs of the Betsch property and
surrounding parcels are appended hereto collectively as Exhibit "B'). The existing one-
story frame house is constructed on a concrete slab and is well over 100 feet from the
mean high water mark of the Long Island Sound. As such, the property is beyond the
jurisdiction of the Department of Environmental Conservation ("DEC") and the
Trustees with respect to the issuance of a wetlands permit. As depicted by the survey
appended hereto as Exhibit "C", the Betsch property is flanked to its east by an asphalt
parking lot and to the west by the property of Lawrence and Josephine Pearlstein which
was substantially enlarged in 1997 after the issuance of a Coastal Erosion Management
Permit by the Trustees. (A photograph of the Pearlstein property is attached hereto as
Exhibit "D"). Appended hereto as Exhibit "E" is the application submitted by Mr.
Betsch to the Trustees on October 17, 2003 seeking a Costal Erosion Management Permit
pursuant to Chapter 37 of the Town Code to construct a new two-story, two-car garage,
3 bedroom single family dwelling in place of the existing one-story two-car garage
dwelling. The application explained that the proposed structure would be built on
wood pilings. The proposed construction is entirely compliant with the dimensional
requirements set forth in the Southold Town Zoning Code and exceeds the applicable
FEMA requirements. Moreover, although not as substantial in size, the 3 bedroom
home that the Betschs propose to construct is entirely consistent with the character of
neighboring homes along North Sea Drive, photographs of which are appended hereto
collectively as Exhibit "F'.
The only impediment to the Betsch's ability to construct a suitable year-round
residence is the seemingly arbitrary placement of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line
along North Sea Drive. As depicted on the attached survey (see Exhibit 'C'), the
Coastal Erosion Hazard Line actually runs down the middle of North Sea Drive. Mr.
Betsch submits that the area where construction is proposed is devoid of any conditions
or features which the Coastal Erosion Hazard Law is designed to protect. The arbitrary
placement of the line is further underscored by the existence of an asphalt parking lot to
the east of the Betsch property and the northwestern curve of the line to the west of the
Betsch property.
PROCEDURAL HISTORY
On November 19, 2003, the first of fivepublic hearings on the Betsch application
took place. A review of the minutes of that hearing, annexed hereto as Exhibit "G",
reveals a complete misunderstanding by the Trustees of the nature of the application
and the reason why the Betsch property was even located within the Coastal Erosion
Hazard Area. Nevertheless, in the absence of any reference to physical evidence,
Trustee Krupski opined that Mr. Betsch's property was "probably in a dune".
Moreover, although the application clearly speaks to a reconstruction, the Trustees
deemed the proposed construction to be a "major addition" as that term is defined in
Section 37-6 of the Town Code. The Trustees' confusion with the placement of a Coastal
Erosion Hazard Line along North Sea Road was evident when Trustee King noted "we
may have to move it back. Never realized that it is the middle of the road. I would
September 17, 2004
Page 3
never have thought of such a thing. Until you see it in black and white." At the
conclusion of the first hearing, the Trustees informed Mr. Betsch that they were going to
consult with the State with respect to the location of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line
and what, if any, natural protective feature existed on his property to justify the location
of the line.
At the second public hearing in December, 2003, the minutes of which are
annexed hereto as Exhibit "H', a letter from Robert McDonough, an Environmental
Program S~vecialist for the DEC, directed to Mr. Betsch was read into the record. As
noted in the minutes, Mr. McDonough indicated that the proposed project was
"generally approvable by the State standards." Trustee Krupski also read a letter from
Mr. McDonough addressed to the Trustees which purported to respond to inquiry by a
Charlotte Cunningham, representing the Town of Southold, requesting information
regarding the identification of any natural protective feature that exists along North Sea
Drive to the west of the town beach parking area, north of the Coastal Erosion Hazard
Line. In response to that inquiry, Mr. McDonough advised the Trustees that he could
not identify the natural protective feature that existed on the Betsch's property, i.e., a
beach, bluff or dune, without Mr. Betsch instituting a formal challenge to the location of
the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line. At that time, Mr. Betsch had already been informed
by the State that such a challenge would be extremely time consuming and expensive.
Mr. Betsch also reminded the Board of the nature and extent of reconstruction and
renovation that his neighbors have been permitted to do along North Sea Drive. This
testimony was offered by Mr. Betsch in light of the Trustees apparent belief that the
ground coverage for the proposed structure could only be 25% larger than the ground
coverage for the existing structure.~
Following the second public hearing, Mr. Betsch retained this firm to assist him
in the presentation of his application to the Trustees. At the third public hearing on
April 21, 2004, the minutes of which are appended hereto as Exhibit "I', an effort was
made to redirect the Trustees attention to their role as Administrator of the Coastal
Erosion Hazard Law for the Town of Southold. Specific reference was made to the
criteria for issuance of a Coastal Erosion Management Permit under Section 37-12 of the
Town Code for regulated activities.2 The applicant argued that a Coastal Erosion
Management Permit could be issued for the proposed construction if the Trustees
determined that the proposed regulated activity, i.e., the reconstruction:
~ As explained in more detail below, the extensive debate between the applicant and the Trustees
regarding the percentage increase in ground coverage from the existing to the new construction was
based on the Trustees' erroneous characterization of the proposed construction as a "major addition." The
applicant submits that, notwithstanding the confusion regarding this issue during the initial public
hearings, the dimensional restrictions applicable to maior additions are irrelevant to the issuance of a
permit for a reconstruction.
2 As defined in Section 37-6, a regulated activity is the "construction, modification, restoration or
placement of a structure, or major addition to a structure, or any action or use of land which materially
alters the condition of land, including grading, excavating, dumping, mining, dredging, tilling or other
disturbance of soil."
September 17, 2004
Page 4
A) Is reasonable and necessary, considering reasonable alternative to the
proposed activity and extent to which the proposed activity requires a
shoreline location.
B) Is not likely to cause a measurable increase in erosion at the proposed site
and at other locations.
C) Prevents, if possible, or minimizes adverse effects on natural protective
features and their functions and protective values, existing erosion protection
structures and natural resources.
Because there was absolutely no evidence in the record that the subject property
was subject to any erosion and no natural protective features had ever been identified,
the applicant submitted that the issuance of a permit by the Trustees hinged on a
determination by the Board of whether the proposed construction was reasonable and
necessary. Rather than address that issue, Trustee Krupski stated "I don't think we
want to lawyer it up" and suggested tabling the application for yet another public
hearing so that the Board could visit the site again after the applicant had staked the
boundaries of the proposed structure? Thereafter, in compliance with the Trustees
request, Mr. Betsch had a surveyor stake the footprint of the proposed structure on his
property and a field inspection by the Trustees took place on May 18, 2004.
In follow-up to the third public hearing and the Trustees' site inspection of the
Betsch property, this firm submitted a letter dated May 25, 2004, a copy of which is
appended hereto as Exhibit "J', which was submitted for the record at the Trustees'
hearing in June 2004. That letter reiterated the applicant's position that the proposed
construction, whether characterized as a "reconstruction" or a "major addition", fell
within the definition of "regulated activity", under Section 37-6 of the Town Code and
was, therefore, an activity for which a Coastal Erosion Management Permit could be
issued by the Trustees pursuant to the criteria set forth in Section 37-12. With respect to
those criteria, the applicant's letter underscored the fact that no evidence had been
presented to the Board indicating that the proposed construction would increase
erosion on the Betsch property or that it would have any adverse effect on any natural
protective feature, their functions or their protective values. As for the last criteria,
whether or not the project is reasonable and necessary, the applicant submitted that the
proposed construction is reasonable since it is entirely in keeping with the character of
the surrounding homes and is entirely compliant with the dimensional requirements of
the Town Zoning Code and FEMA requirements. Although the term necessary is not
defined in Chapter 37 of the Town Code, Mr. Betsch suggested to the Board that the
evaluation of necessity was subjective and that the Trustees had to determine whether
the proposed project was necessary for the intended use of the property by the
applicant which, in this case, was the conversion of a summer cottage to a winterized
full time residence.
No substantive response was received from the Trustees or their counsel,
Assistant Town Attorney, Brownell Johnston to the arguments raised in the aforesaid
letter. Instead, Mr. Johnston contacted the applicant's counsel with the surprising
3 This suggestion was presumably made in furtherance of the Trustees' improper analysis of the
percentage increase of the proposed footprint based on their erroneous designation of the proposed
activity as a major addition.
September 17, 2004
Page 5
suggestion that the Trustees were poised to deny Mr. Betsch's application because they
now believed that the property was located within a "Structural Hazard Area" as
defined in Section 37-13 of the Town Code. Although this suggestion seemed
somewhat contrived and was entirely unsupported by any evidence of record, the
applicant nevertheless endeavored to dispel the Trustees of this contention. Appended
hereto to Exhibit "K" is this firm's letter dated June 9, 2004 accompanied by a
Memorandum of Law addressed to Mr. Johnston addressing the Trustees' seemingly
gratuitous allegation that the subject property was located in a Structural Hazard Area.
By way of response, Mr. Johnston advised our office that the Trustees believed that the
applicant's property was located in a Structural Hazard Area because of the extreme
rate of erosion which they believed was occurring on the applicant's property. Again,
record is devoid of any evidence suggesting that any erosion has occurred on the
applicant's property.
Nevertheless, the Trustees maintained that the Town Code defined a Structural
Hazard Area as a shoreline property located landward of a natural protective feature on
a shoreline which receded at a long term average recession rate of one foot or more per
year. The applicant responded by way of letter from this firm dated June 23, 2004, a
copy of which is appended hereto as Exhibit "L", submitted for the record at the
Trustees July, 2004 hearing, which confirmed, based on documentary evidence and
expert testimony, that there was no evidence of erosion on the property for the past five
years and, in fact, the property has accreted more than 24 feet over that five year time
period, as, supported by the survey submitted with the letter. In further support of the
applicant s position that the beach on his property has accreted over the past five years,
an Affidavit of John C. Ehler's Land Surveyor, who is fully familiar with the subject
property, was submitted to the Trustees. Mr. Ehler's Affidavit confirms, based on his
personal site inspections and surveys of the property, as well as his analysis of earlier
surveys prepared of the property, that the beach has increased by at least 24 feet over
the last five years. A copy of Mr. Ehiers Affidavit is annexed hereto as Exhibit "M'.
Despite the uncontroverted evidence that there was no erosion on the Betsch
property, the Trustees announced at the fourth public hearing of the Betsch application
on June 28, 2004 that, in an effort to validate their contention that the property was
located in a Structural Hazard Area, they would be meeting with the DEC on June 30t~
to discuss whether the Betsch property suffered from erosion. The Trustees indicated
that they would notify the applicant immediately after that meeting of the DEC's
recommendation and how the Trustees were intending to proceed.
On July 14, 2004, nearly nine months after the submission of the Betsch
application, this firm contacted Assistant Town Attorney Brownell Johnston to inquire
about the outcome of the Trustees' meeting with the DEC. During that conversation,
which was memorialized in a letter dated July 21, 2004 to the Trustees, a copy of which
is annexed hereto as Exhibit "N", our office was informed that the DEC confirmed that
there was no erosion on the Betsch property and that, therefore, it was not located in a
Structural Hazard Area. Mr. Johnston reported that the Trustees were nevertheless
inclined to deny a permit to Mr. Betsch based solely upon the recommendation of
someone from the DEC. In the July 21, 2004 letter, the Trustees were reminded that the
DEC has relinquished jurisdiction over Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas in the Town of
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Southold to the Trustees who have sole discretion to consider the pending application.
Furthermore, despite their ongoing confusion regarding the characterization of the
proposed construction as a major addition, we reiterated Mr. Betsch's position that the
proposed project included removing the present structure and reconstructing a new
structure on the premises which was a regulated activity under the Town Code and not
a major addition. As such, the Trustees retained the jurisdiction to issue a permit upon
the satisfaction by the applicant of the criteria set forth in Section 37-12 of the Town
Code.
Thereafter, Mr. Johnston advised our office that the Trustees' determination of
the application was further delayed by their misunderstanding of what activities were
considered "reasonable and necessary" pursuant to Section 37-12. Mr. Johnston advised
that the Trustees were once again awaiting input from the DEC in the form of
regulations which were promised to them by the DEC representatives at the June 30a
meeting in order to assist them in understanding the meaning of reasonable and
necessary in the context of considering an application for a Coastal Erosion
Management Permit. Although Mr. Betsch was encouraged that the Trustees were
finally considering the relevant criteria, he had difficulty understanding the Trustees'
confusion over the meaning of reasonable and necessary.
Consequently, in an attempt to expedite the approval process which was
entering its 10~ month, counsel for Mr. Betsch undertook to research whether any
regulations had been issued by the DEC defining the terms reasonable and necessary.
Although the DEC has not published any regulations in the context of the Coastal
Erosion Haz, ard Law, the applicant provided the Trustees with a published DEC
Commission s decision which discussed "reasonable and necessary" in the context of a
wetlands permit application and submitted that decision to the Trustees undercover of
an August 10, 2004 letter, a copy of which is annexed hereto as Exhibit "O'. As noted
in that letter, the research performed by counsel for the applicant uncovered an
application entitled "Susan Tasker' which had also been made to the Trustees for a
Coastal Erosion Management Permit for a similar parcel of land located in Greenport on
the Long Island Sound. As can be seen in the DEC Commissioner's decision, presented
to the record at the fifth and final public hearing on August 18, 2004, the Trustees issued
a Coastal Erosion Management Permit to Ms. Tasker for a similar project under similar
circumstances.
THE DECISION
On August 18, 2004, in the absence of any evidence in the record establishing the
existence of any coastal erosion or the identity of a natural protective feature on the
Betsch property, and notwithstanding the obvious fact that Mr. Betsch was requesting a
permit for a reconstruction rather than a major addition, the Trustees issued a decision
,cl, en,,ying Mr. Betsch? application for Coastal Erosion Management Permit (see Exhibit
A ). The Trustees denial, which is entirely unsupported by the substantial evidence
of record, is based upon a finding that the proposed activity is to occur in a "dune area"
and that construction of a major addition is prohibited in a dune area under Section 37-
16:C of the Town Code. The Trustees' decision fails to reference any documentary
evidence which substantiates their fundamentally flawed decision. That is, contrary to
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the Trustees' holding that the instant application is for a "major addition", in the first
"resolved" paragraph of the decision, the Trustees state that the application itself was
"to construct a two-story, single-family dwelling with a two-car garage in place of the
existing one-story, two-car garage and dwelling" (emphasis added). It is illogical to
suggest that the construction of a dwelling "in place of an existing dwelling" could
possibly be considered a "major addition." This point was repeatedly underscored to
the Board in the applicant's submissions in June and July 2004.
THE RELIEF SOUGHT HEREIN
By way of this appeal to the Coastal Erosion Hazard Board of Review, pursuant
to Section 37-35:C of the Town Code, the applicant submits that the Trustees denial of a
Coastal Erosion Management Permit pursuant to Section 37-16 of the Town Code is
clearly in error and based solely upon the Trustees' conjecture and surmise that the
subject property is probably a "dune" and their improper characterization of the
proposed construction as a major addition. Both of these findings are contrary to the
substantial evidence of record.
A review of the minutes of the five public hearings that the Trustees held and of
the entire record of this proceeding, confirms the unfortunate truth that the Trustees did
improperly interpret or construe the provisions of the Southold Town Coastal Erosion
Hazard Law in rendering its determination. In addition, the Trustees' resolution
confirms that they completely ignored the indisputable fact that there has been no
erosion on the Betsch property in the past five years, the proposed construction of a
three-story dwelling on pilings will, in fact, decrease erosion rather than contribute to
any potential erosion, neither the DEC nor the Trustees were able to identify for the
record any natural protective feature justifying the location of the Coastal Erosion
Hazard Line in the middle of North Sea Drive and the proposed construction did not, in
any way, involve an addition to the existing structure. The record further confirms that
the Trustees failed to comprehend much less apply the criteria mandated by Section 37-
12 of the Town Code and the Trustees' determination of August 18, 2004 is devoid of
any reference to the relevant criteria.
In addition, a review of the record confirms that the conclusions set forth in the
Trustees' decision are in no way reflective of the evidence presented to the Board and
completely ignore the purpose and mandate of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Law. Had
the Trustees properly applied the relevant facts to the provisions of Chapter 37 of the
Town Code, they could never have concluded that the proposed construction was in a
dune, or that the application was for a major addition rather than a reconstruction.
Moreover, it is inexplicable that the Trustees could not render any determination as to
the reasonableness and necessity of the proposed construction.
Therefore, so that they can exercise the same rights that every other homeowner
on North Sea Drive has heretofore exercised, Mr. Betsch implores this Board to set aside
the Trustees' resolution and issue a Coastal Erosion Management Permit to the
applicant to enable him to construct a suitable year round residence in place of his
existing summer cottage.
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In the alternative, and in the event that this Board is inclined to accept the
Trustees' determination that the subject premises is located in a dune area, the applicant
requests a variance from the restrictions of Section 37-16 upon which the Trustees relied
to deny the instant application. The variance should be granted to Mr. Betsch because
his proposed construction meets the criteria set forth in Section 37 of the Town Code
which include:
a)
b)
c)
d)
e)
No reasonable, prudent, alternative site is available.
All responsible means and measures to mitigate adverse impacts on
natural systems and their functions and values have been incorporated
into the activity's design at the property owner's expense.
The development will be reasonably safe from flood and erosion damage.
The variance requested is the minimum necessary to overcome the
practical difficulty or hardship which was the basis for the requested
variance.
Where public funds are utilized, the public benefits must clearly outweigh
the long-term adverse effects.
Mr. Betsch submits that no reasonable, prudent, alternative site is available to
him as he does not own any other parcel of land upon which to construct his home. The
design and dimensions of Mr. Betsch's proposed construction not only satisfy the
Southold Town Zoning Code requirements but exceed all FEMA requirements. The
construction will result in the removal of the existing structure which consists of a
concrete slab sitting directly on the ground and the installation of pilings which will
reduce or eliminate any adverse impacts on natural systems, their functions and values,
to the extent any are identified.
In addition, the proposed reconstruction will be reasonably safe from flood and
erosion damage because it will be on pilings. As noted previously, there is no evidence
of erosion at the site. Moreover the applicant submits that the variance req~"eested is the
minimum necessary for the applicant to reside there permanently with his family. It
was noted by the applicant during the numerous hearing that a larger footprint is
required to construct the winterized year round home with a garage deck.
As a practical matter, the applicant has endured nearly one year of hearings
seeking relief from a law which is intended to prevent coastal erosion. The simple fact
that the record is devoid of any proof that the proposed construction will increase
erosion or have any impact on a natural protective feature mandates the issuance of a
permit to Mr. Betsch. No justification has been offered by the DEC or the Trustees for
the arbitrary placement of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line along North Sea Drive. As
such, after incurring significant expense of presenting his application to the Trustees,
Mr. Betsch should not be required, as suggested by the DEC, to finance their re-
evaluation and reconsideration of the erroneous placement of the line along North Sea
Drive before he is permitted to rebuild his home. Were it not for the arbitrary
placement of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line, a building permit could have been
issued to the Mr. Betsch as of right for the proposed construction.
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Based on the foregoing, it is respectfully requested that the Town Board direct
the Trustees to issue a Coastal Erosion Management Permit to Mr. Bet$ch to construct
his home or, in the alternative, to issue a variance pursuant to Section 37-30 of the Town
Code. The undersigned would welcome the opportunity to be heard on this appeal at
the Town Board's earliest convenience.
Respec~-ully submitted,
Christopher Kelley
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Enclosures
cc: Mr. John Betsch