HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-06/07/2005SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
REGULAR MEETING
A Regular Meeting of the
Southold Town Hall. Supervisor
Allegiance to the Flag.
Present:
June 7, 2005
7:30 P.M.
Southold Town Board was held Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at the
Horton opened the meeting at 7:30 P.M. with the Pledge of
Supervisor Joshua Y. Horton
Justice Louisa P. Evans
Councilman John M. Romanelli
Councilman Thomas H. Wickham
Councilman Daniel C. Ross
Councilman William P. Edwards
Town Clerk Elizabeth A. Neville
Town Attorney Patricia A. Finnegan
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Welcome to the June 7, 2005 public meeting of the Southold Town Board.
Please rise and join with me in the Pledge of Allegiance. Over the course of the evening there are
several opportunities to address the Town Board on town related matters, the first being prior to
reading and voting on any of the resolutions that are on this evening's agenda. We also afford the
opportunity for the public to address the Town Board at the conclusion of the meeting, after the
resolutions and public hearings have been held. Over the course of the public hearings, the public is
also invited to address the Town Board on a specific hearing. So with that being said, I would like to
move forward with the approval of the audit.
Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the following Town bills be and hereby are ordered paid: General Fund Whole Town
bills in the amount of $251,803.32; General Fund Part Town bills in the amount of $21,809.08;
Community Development Fund bills in the amount of $49,914.00; Risk Retention Fund bills in the
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amount of $1,423.84; Highway Fund Part Town bills in the amount of $63,799.86; Capital Projects
Account bills in the amount of $13,692.83; Community Preservation Fund (2% tax) bills in the amount
of $3,536.53; New London Terminal Project bills in the amount of $1,739,884.62; Employee Health
Benefit Plan bills in the amount of $9,715.20; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount of
$61,271.36; Refuse & Garbage District bills in the amount of $26,887.79; Southold Wastewater
District bills in the amount of $6.34; Southold Agency & Trust bills in the amount of $9,063.47 and
Fishers Island Ferry District Agency & Trust bills in the amount of $45.08.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the next Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board be held Tuesday, June 21,
2005 at the Southold Town Hall at 4:30 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
I. REPORTS
1. Island Group Claim Lag Report through April 30, 2005
II. PUBLIC NOTICES
1. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Notice of Complete Application
of Anthony Spiridakis for a permit to construct a single family dwelling within 75 feet of
Freshwater Wetland #SO-5 on Soundview Avenue, Southold. Written comments by June 17,
2005.
III. COMMUNICATIONS None
SUPERVISOR HORTON: If anybody would care to address the Town Board on specific resolutions,
you are more than welcome to do so. Mr. Carlin, I please just ask that you state your name and place
of residence clearly into the microphone so we can incorporate that into our record.
FRANK CARLIN: Frank Carlin, Laurel. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Good evening, Mr. Carlin.
MR. CARLIN: 370, I believe that is part of the streetlights, that is part of the public hearing tonight,
right?
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Yes.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, 370, there will be a public hearing on that piece of legislation.
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MR. CARLIN: How about 365, what is that about? Amendments to streetlights, that is something
else?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is the SEQRA component of the legislative process.
MR. CARLIN: Okay. One more. I notice this shows up quite a bit through the years, 355. When you
say authorization modification to the 2005 Solid Waste district budget for maintenance supplies, what
are you doing? Are you adding to his budget or taking away from his budget?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: You are shifting money from within the budget. It is not adding or taking
away.
MR. CARLIN: Oh, you are shifting it within the budget.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, exactly. If there is perhaps money on the line for fuel and fuel costs,
if they have dropped, there might be a surplus there, it frees up some money to be shifted to another
line, it enables that, frees up some money to be shifted to another line.
MR. CARLIN: That is all I wanted to know. What I had in my mind, you know how I am, you was
taking more money than you needed or he went over his budget and you are taking money from
someplace else. But you are not doing that.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No.
MR. CARLIN: Oh, that is fine. I will see you later.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you, Mr. Carlin.
MR. CARLIN: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Would anybody else care to address the Board on specific resolutions?
Yes, Mrs. Egan.
JOAN EGAN: Good evening, Joan Egan, East Marion. Everybody can take one strawberry July 5th
from Sep's farmstand, courtesy. You may even have one, Mr. Horton.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: I am not sure if that is safe.
MS. EGAN: I didn't poison it.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: I have to be careful, you know, up here.
MS. EGAN: We should have some portable fans.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Agreed.
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MS. EGAN: You always agree but you never do anything about it.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Mrs. Egan, do you have resolutions you would like to address?
MS. EGAN: Don't rush me.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Please continue.
MS. EGAN: Ahh, don't rush me. Not too many. 352, where is Gatz Landscaping from?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Mattituck.
MS. EGAN: Owners, Southold people?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Mattituck.
MS. EGAN: Southold people own it.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Absolutely, Southold Town people.
MS. EGAN: Good. Now, number 355, that is the dump...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, that is the resolution that Mr. Carlin addressed.
MS. EGAN: .... and again, I can tell you that people are still very, very uptight about you closing it on
Wednesday's and you know, maybe if they conserved and maybe if they took better care of their
equipment we could open it on Wednesday's. People are...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you.
MS. EGAN: ... it is a very important factor. A lot of people get really, really annoyed at you...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Just on that note, I think it is really important to recognize that on
Wednesdays is a dedicated day, since the transfer station is closed, A., we are able to save in the
neighborhood of $100,000 a year in addition to and the maintenance of equipment is an important
matter and Wednesday is a dedicated day where a mechanic has the opportunity to do weekly
maintenance on the machinery, which will enhance the Town's preventative maintenance schedule.
MS. EGAN: I'll tell you Mr. Horton, I find it hard to believe...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay but that is the case.
MS. EGAN: ... I find it very hard to believe, same as I find it extremely hard to believe that you can't
get a telephone hook up to over there. I ....
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Are there other resolutions, Mrs. Egan?
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MS. EGAN: What?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Are there other resolutions?
MS. EGAN: Yes.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Which ones, please?
MS. EGAN: Oh, this 359. Now, I think this is great, some of this ecology. I think it should follow
through to more than just Horton's Point, though. The ecology out here with the weather changes has
gotten terrible. I am speaking. I am speaking and when I am speaking, you are listening.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Mrs. Egan, if you would continue, please.
MS. EGAN: So let's do something about the ecology in other places.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay.
MS. EGAN: Now on number 348, you have Mr. Strang and Robert Brown being resigned and is that
why we are doing the 368?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes.
MS. EGAN: Now, these local laws. Is 370, a local law in relation to amendments to streetlight
specifications, what is that about?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: There will be a public hearing on that as soon as we can get through these.
MS. EGAN: Don't rush me. Is 371 also being addressed at the public hearing?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, it is.
MS. EGAN: And 372?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes.
MS. EGAN: Good. Now of course, those people who work in the dump, a lot of them are union
people and you haven't signed their contract.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: They are all union people.
MS. EGAN: Huh?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: They are all union.
MS. EGAN: Oh, I will be talking about that after the meeting.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you, Mrs. Egan, very much. Would anybody else care to address
the Board on specific resolutions? Yes, Mr. Nickles?
JOHN NICKLES, JR.: John Nickles, Jr. Resolution 348.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes.
MR. NICKLES, JR.: What are the reasons given why Mr. Strang and Mr. Brown decided they were
going to resign from the Architectural Review Board?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: If you like, I can actually make available to you their letters of resignation
but in short, they had served for over 10 years, since the Architectural Review Commission's inception
and I think they felt disillusioned as a result of a difference of opinion as to how address a
recommendation from the Architectural Review Commission by the Planning Board.
MR. NICKLES, JR.: The Planning Board did not address it the way that these two Board members
wanted them to address it?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is correct. There was a difference of opinion. There was a
compromise made but essentially, that was one of the reasons but also I think they felt, I think this was
articulated clearly in their letters of resignations but that they had served for quite some time.
MR. NICKLES, JR.: Okay. Resolution 369, was there a particular case that has brought this
legislation forth?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Which is this now?
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: This is 369.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Oh, 369. This is...
MR. NICKLES, JR.: And the reason for the resolution?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, the resolution is a, I believe there is a, we have a public hearing on
that this evening, so we have public hearing on it that is the reason the resolution is on the agenda,
because the possibility does exist that the Board would enact that after the public hearing. So the
reason for the legislation is currently when a property or a business is out of compliance with their site
plan, the only method the Town has to, through enforcement, is through the Supreme Court of the State
of New York and this would give the ability to the Town to actually have enforcement power to bring,
to ensure that a property comes into compliance with their site plan. For example, the Cross Sound
Ferry, I believe is an example of that. The Cross Sound Ferry is out of compliance, it has been out of
compliance for site plan for two years. The Town Board has very little legal authority to force them
into compliance. It has to be handled in court and we figure, a small town with home rule, we should
have the ability to ensure that what has been agreed upon on paper, permitted through a public hearing
process, is in fact carried out.
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MR. NICKLES, JR.: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you, Mr. Nickles. Are there other questions from the floor on the
resolutions? Yes, ma'am? Are you for the stop sign hearing?
UNIDENTIFIED: Yes. Resolutions that I just wanted to ask questions about?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Certainly.
UNIDENTIFIED: Okay. The resolution 366, I just wanted to know what 'SEQRA' is?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Good question. I am glad you asked that.
UNIDENTIFIED: My name is Sharon Card in Mattituck.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Indeed. Actually, I appreciate that because so often people who come to
Town Board meetings come often and are familiar with our government acronyms and lingo or
language, if you will. SEQRA stands for State Environmental Quality Review Act and it is a process
and there are different levels of SEQRA and there are different thresholds that require lesser or greater
environmental review. The Town, anytime the Town takes a legislative act, we have to have that piece
of legislation reviewed in some way through the SEQRA process. This, the Elijah Lane stop sign, is a
matter that I believe is an unlisted action?
TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: No, it is a Type II action, there is a specific list of actions that are
exempt from review and one of them is the installation or in this case the potential removal of a traffic
control device.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: So it is a Type II action and we are declaring it as such for legal purposes.
MS. CARD: And then at 8:15 you will have a public hearing about talking about it?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes. Or sometime, either 8:15 or thereafter.
MS. CARD: Oh, okay. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you. Are there other questions on specific resolutions? (No
response) Then we will move forward with Councilman Romanelli and resolution 346.
#346
Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Robert J. Conwav to
the position of Bay Constable in the Southold Town Police Department Marine Division for the
season starting June 10, 2005 and ending September 14, 2005 at a salary of $15.13 per hour.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: I would like to welcome Mr. Conway back.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Is this the former policeman?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, Bobby Conway. The Bobby Conway.
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COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: It is nice to have him back.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, it certainly is. He puts a lot into the job and he loves the department
and the Town.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#347
Moved by Councilman Edwards, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby establishes a rate of pay for part-
th-ne Legal Stenographer at $16.50 per hour.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#348
Moved by Councilman Ross, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the resignations of
Robert I. Brown and Garrett A. Strang from their positions on the Southold Town Architectural
Review Board~ effective immediately.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: I would also request that added on to this resolution that the Town Board
hereby extends their gratitude for the years of service on the Architectural Review Commission and the
Town of Southold.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#349
Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby releases Ja?me Martin from her
position of part-th-ne Clerk Typist in the Zoning Board of Appeals effective June 12, 2005.
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Ja?me Martin to the
position of part-th-ne Legal Stenographer in the Zoning Board of Appeals, effective date June 13,
2005 at a salary of $16.50 per hour.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#35O
Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the closure of Case's
Lane~ Cutchogne~ New Yorlq from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.~ Saturday~ July 2~ 2005~ in the interest
of public safety during the Cutchogne-New Suffolk Historical Council "Annual Antiques Show
and Sale" on the Village Green~ provided they file with the Town Clerk a One Million Dollar
Certificate of Liability Insurance naming the town of Southold as an additional insured and contact Lt.
Flatley at least ten (10) days prior to the event to coordinate traffic control.
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Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
#351
Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Councilman Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs the Town
Clerk to advertise for Request for Proposals (RFP) for engineering services for the planning,
design and development of a project that would underground all overhead utilities lines and
develop kayak and bicycle access along two (2+/-) miles of State Route 25, Orient/East Marion
Causeway.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#352
Moved by Councilman Edwards, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the bid of Gatz
Landscaping, Inc., in the amount of $46,300, for the grading and seeding of the sports playing fields,
at the Strawberry Fields Fairgrounds.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#353
Moved by Councilman Ross, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Horton to sign an Agreement between the Town of Southold and Gatz Landscaping
Inc. in the amount of $46,300, for the grading and seeding of the new sports playing fields at
Strawberry Field Fairgrounds, subject to the approval of the Town Attorney.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: I would like to thank Jamie Richter and Jim McMahon for their work in
putting the bid package together. We are looking forward to additional fields at Strawberry Fields.
These improvements will result in two large fields in the northwest corner. The bids came in between
$46,300 which is the low bid that is being awarded tonight and $235,000; to show you what a spread
there is..
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Wasn't a difficult choice.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: ... there were six bids and we are looking forward to the fields and thank
those gentlemen for the work.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you, Councilman Ross.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
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#354
Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Carol Kalin to the
position of permanent full-th-ne Secretarial Assistant in the Southold Town Planning Department
Board effective June 9, 2005 at a salary of $41,896.52 per annum.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#355
Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold modifies the 2005 Solid Waste District
budget~ as follows:
To:
Appropriations
SR.8160.4.100.550
SR.8160.4.100.596
SR.8160.4.600.200
Maint/Supply Komatsu Loader
Maint/Supply Tub Grinder 2
Meetings and Seminars
$ 2,000.00
$ 3,000.00
$ 2,000.00
From:
Appropriations
SR.8160.4.500.150 Groundwater Monitoring $ 7,000.00
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
AMENDED June 21, 2005 by Resolution #392
#356
Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby provisionally appoints Denise
Heyse to the position of Planner Trainee in the Southold Town Planning Department effective
June 27, 2005 at a salary of $37,778.66 per annum.
COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: I would also like to just clarify that she is a trainee that is going to be
sort of a site plan assistant. She is not just going to fall into subdivision side of things. I would just
like to make that clear.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#357
Moved by Councilman Edwards, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints the following members
to the Fishers Island Harbor Committee~ for a five year term effective May 15~ 2005:
Geb Cook representing Fishers Island Conservancy
Reynolds duPont Jr. representing Pirate's Cove Marine
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Reynolds duPont Jr. representing Goose Island Corporation
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#358
Moved by Councilman Ross, seconded by Councilman Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Joshua Y. Horton to execute Partial Pawnent Request No. FOUR (Form 271) and
Partial Payment Request No. TWO (Form FIN-190) in relation to the Elizabeth Field Airport
Apron and Taxiway Stub (Construction) Grant, all in accordance with the approval of the Town
Attorney.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#359
Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to
Christina Richards, Department of Ecology, SUNY Stony Brook, to conduct a research
project on Japanese Knotweed, on the Town's property, at Horton's Point, Southold.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#36O
Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilman Ross, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves a stipend in the
amount of three thousand dollars ($3,000.00) per annum to be paid to the LWRP Coordinator,
effective May 26, 2005, chargeable to the 2005 Planning Department budget, said amount of stipend to
be reviewed for appropriateness by the Town Board in six months.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton. No: Councilman Romanelli.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#361
Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by , it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby amends Resolution No. 199
originally adopted at the April 12, 2005 regular Town Board meeting, and previously amended
by Resolution No. 320 adopted at the May 24, 2005 regular Town Board meeting, to read as
follows:
RESOLVED that effective June 7, 2005 said employee leave without pay under the FMLA, be
extended for one month until July 5, and will remain on the Town's group heath insurance at no cost to
the employee from this date through and including July 2005.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
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This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#362
Moved by Councilman Edwards, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the General Fund
Budget Whole Town 2005 budget as follows:
From:
A.2025.00
To'
A.1620.2.500.425
Vote of the Town Board:
Special Recreational Facilities
Park & Playground
$30,000
Building & Grounds, Capital Outlay
Tennis Court Improvements $30,000
Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#363
Moved by Councilman Ross, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs the Town
Clerk Elizabeth Neville to advertise for bids for the repair and resurfacing of two (2) municipal
tennis courts on Fishers Island, as per the plans and specifications prepared by James Richter, Office
of the Town Engineer.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#364
Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Ross, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby determines that the proposed
Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to Violations of an Approved Site Plan" is classified
as a Type II action pursuant to SEQRA rules and regulations, and is not subject to further review
under SEQRA.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#365
Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby determines that the proposed
Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to Amendments to Streetlight Specifications" is
classified as a Type II action pursuant to SEQRA rules and regulations, and is not subject to further
review under SEQRA.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#366
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Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Councilman Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby determines that the proposed
Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to Stop Signs on Eliiah's Lane" is classified as a
Type II action pursuant to SEQRA rules and regulations, and is not subject to further review under
SEQRA.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#367
Moved by Councilman Edwards, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby finds that the proposed "A Local
Law in relation to Amendments to Construction Specifications for Roadways in Conservation
Subdivisions" is classified as an Unlisted Action pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations, 6
NYCRR Section 617, and that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby establishes itself as
lead agency and issues a Negative Declaration for the action.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#368
Moved by Councilman Ross, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Glynis Berry and Ural
Talgat as interhn members of the Architectural Review Committee, to serve in such capacity until
December 31, 2005.
COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: Yes, just so I am clarified, are we not going to advertise for
permanent people until then?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: We are, we passed a resolution on that.
COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: Did we? Did we do that earlier?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: I believe an earlier resolution...
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Yes, last meeting, I think.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, at the last meeting. Good point, though.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: The next one, we have to wait for the public hearing.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes.
COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: The next three.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Very good.
COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: The next four.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: The next four. We actually are, this is a very unique circumstance, where
we are slightly ahead of schedule. As per the law, the Town Board cannot open the public hearing
prior to the time for which it was published. So if it was published for 8:00 or 8:15, we are legally
bound that we start at that time and not before. Actually, does any Board member have something that
they would like to bring forward? An initiative that is being worked on? I certainly could do it, I
always have a lot to say. Okay. Great. Well, then what we will do is we will afford the floor to the
public to address the Board on town related items and then at 8:00 we will break for public hearing.
Yes, Mr. Corwin.
DAVID CORWIN: My name is David Corwin. I live in Greenport. And I would like to read you
something out of New York State law, section 381 motorcycle equipment. "No person shall operate a
motorcycle on any highway which is 1. Not equipped with a muffler to prevent excessive or unusual
noise. 2. Equipped with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other original internal parts
have been removed or altered. 3. Equipped with an exhaust device without internal baffles, known as
straight pipes or 4. Equipped with an exhaust system that has been modified in a manner that will
amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of such vehicle above the emitted by the exhaust
system originally installed on the vehicle." On any weekend afternoon, Southold Town is descended
on by hordes of motorcycles. The vast majority of these have straight pipes. Straight pipes are clearly
illegal in New York State. These vehicles are a blight on Greenport and Southold Town. Main Street
in Greenport sees hundreds of these obnoxious machines on a continual basis. They are illegal, they
are outlaws. It is the image they cultivate. The image they want they want. They are a scourge. I
suggest members of the Southold Town Board take a field trip to Greenport on a Sunday afternoon to
experience this blight first hand. It may be quiet on Park Avenue or Woodcliff Drive. It is not on the
streets of Greenport. On Memorial Day, I called the Chief of Police to complain about motorcycle
noise. He took umbrage when I told him he was not doing enough. He is not doing enough. Sunday
last, I called the Southold Town Police to complain. While I stood on my front porch with an officer
discussing the issue, scores of motorcycles with straight pipes went by. The officer told me he knew
nothing about motorcycle mufflers, I should contact and I use this in quotes "Code Enforcement
Officer Linda Ortiz" to come out with a sound meter. There is no code enforcement in the Village of
Greenport, as you know. The officer went on to tell me that he would be sued if he gave a ticket to a
motorcyclist with a straight pipe. Give me a break. The Greenport Village Board is not responsible
for enforcing vehicle and traffic law in the Village. The Southold Town Board is. The Greenport
Village Board's inane idea to handle the noise from motorcycles is to put up banners at the entrance to
the Village that read 'Please ride quietly' and to have residents place signs on their front lawns
requesting that motorcycle riders don't make noise, a sure invitation to rev up the engine and make
more noise. I find this insulting. Fortunately, it is the Southold Town Board's job to address this
issue, not the Village Board's. At the end of last summer, I attended a public meeting called by the
Mayor of Greenport that I must assume was designed to humiliate the Southold Town Police
Department. It did humiliate the Chief and his Lieutenant. The leader of a motorcycle group called
ABATE, that is ostensibly in existence to promote quiet riding and I quote, "I ride a loud motorcycle."
Read that as, I ride an illegal motorcycle with straight pipes. Another motorcycle person indicated that
the riders spend time in the clam bar, read: we drink beers in the bar and then ride. The American
Civil Liberties Union's representative's, who appeared somewhat befuddled at their part in this
mockery, said there was nothing wrong with roadblocks to stop motorcycles. The police officer I
spoke to Sunday indicated that the motorcyclist's travel from winery to the next, consuming alcoholic
beverages and riding under the influence of alcohol. The motorcycle situation is at a tipping point. It
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is time for the Southold Town Board to demand serious action from the Southold Town Police
Department inside the Village of Greenport and inside Southold Town. I have brought this issue up
before and heard all the excuses. It is time for action. I can see the letters in the Suffolk Times now.
Loud pipes save lives. We all know this is a red herring. The motorcyclists have been driven from
other communities that chose to enforce vehicle and traffic law. They have come to the end of the line
and it is time for Southold Town to take real action. The excuses have been used long enough. One
final thought, bad always drives out good. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thank you, Mr. Corwin. And Mr. Corwin, if I could, I appreciate your
comments and I think they are fair criticisms and I think your points are well made. I will tell you that
the Southold Town Police Department has been directed by me to not forgo check points, not just for
motorcycles but for all vehicles. We did several over the course of last summer and they proved to be
effective and they also proved to be controversial with certain members of the community but that
controversy has not in any way dampened the spirit of the Southold Town Police Department or by the
Town Board to continue enforcing the law. Can we do better than that? We certainly can and we will.
We will. Certainly I welcome the signs and the banners if they are helpful, then naturally they are
welcome. But the Police Department is not going to cease enforcing vehicle and traffic law as it
pertains to motorcycles or as it pertains to four-wheeled vehicles as well. And in fact, there is a,
excuse me, I hadn't broadcast this island wide or throughout the Town but there will be a check point
scheduled for this coming weekend. And we will continue those efforts throughout the course of the
summer season. And also police officers and I would like the name of the officer that you spoke with
and I would like to talk to you one on one in regard to more details in that conversation but the Police
Department, those patrolling not only the Village of Greenport but also the hamlet areas of Cutchogue
and Mattituck and Southold have been instructed to whether it is on bicycle, foot or car patrol to do
more enforcement within the hamlet areas as well, in addition to checkpoints. So we will continue to
strive with that and we will do a better job this summer. I felt that a lot of the feedback I received was
that we made large steps last summer but we have to take more and I appreciate you coming out
tonight, your comments are well-received, your criticisms are fair and we will make sure that the
Police Department continues to enforce vehicle and traffic law in the Town of Southold. Thank you.
We have public hearing scheduled and we will commence with our first public hearing.
Moved by Supervisor Horton, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that this meeting of the Southold Town Board be and hereby is declared recessed in order
to hold four (4) public hearings on the matters of (1.) HEARING ON "A LOCAL LAW IN
RELATION TO VIOLATIONS OF AN APPROVED SITE PLAN"; (2.) HEARING ON "A
LOCAL LAW IN RELATION TO AMENDMENTS TO STREETLIGHT SPECIFICATIONS";
(3.) HEARING ON "A LOCAL LAW IN RELATION TO AMENDMENTS TO
CONSTRUCTION SPECIFICATIONS FOR ROADWAYS IN CONSERVATIONS
SUBDIVISIONS" AND (4.) HEARING ON "A LOCAL LAW IN RELATION TO STOP SIGNS
ON ELIJAH'S LANE."
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: We have a couple of more moments to go (before the public hearing set for
8:10 P.M.) I am a stickler for the rules.
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COUNCILMAN ROSS: We have got a minute.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, two minutes.
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COUNCILMAN ROSS: With two minutes, ifI may, Supervisor?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Please.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: Before the next meeting on Father's Day weekend, the Mattituck Lions will
be holding their annual Strawberry Festival, so I just wanted to bring it to the attention of those
assembled at the meeting and those listening on TV. The Lions Club is an international organization
organized locally in clubs. Its charge is to help the visually impaired and the blind and the money
raised at the Strawberry Festival is put to that purpose. This is an organization and an event that has
been going on for many years. The Mattituck Lions love to see all their guests but they especially like
to see their neighbors from Southold Town. So, if you are not doing anything on Father's Day
weekend, stop down at Strawberry Fields and have a piece of cake.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: It is on Dan Ross.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Thanks, Councilman Ross. We will actually move forward, I was remiss,
we actually had a hearing scheduled for 8:10 and we will proceed with that.
Meeting reconvenedat
#369
Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilman Romanelli,
WHEREAS, there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold on the 10th day of
May, 2005, a Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Violations of an Approved Site
Plan"~ and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid Local
Law at which time all interested persons were given the opportunity to be heard, now therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enacts the following Local Law:
LOCAL LAW NO. 8 OF 2005
A Local Law entitled "A Local Law in relation to Violations of an Approved Site Plan"
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold, as follows:
I. Purpose The intent of this change is to better enforce the Site Plan law, thereby creating a violation
of an approved site plan.
II. Chapter 100 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§ 100-253. Approval of site plan required.
F. Failure to obtain site plan approval shall be a violation of this article and
shall be subject to such penalties as are set forth in § 100-285 of this chapter.
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G. Failure to comply with a tenn or condition of an approved site plan shall be
a violation of this article and shall be sub,iect to such penalties as are set forth in § 100-285
of this chapter.
H G. Upon recommendation of the Planning Board and approval of the Town
Attorney, the Building Inspector may revoke an existing certificate of occupancy upon a
showing that the subject premises is being occupied or used in violation of an approved
site plan and may direct that such occupancy or use be discontinued. The Town Attorney
is authorized to commence proceedings in a court of appropriate jurisdiction to restrain
said use or occupancy.
III. Severability.
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any court of
competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not effect the validity of this law as a whole or
any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. Effective date
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided by
law.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#37O
Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Wickham,
WHEREAS, there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold on the 10th day of
May, 2005, a Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Streetlight
Specifications"~ and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid Local
Law at which time all interested persons were given the opportunity to be heard, now therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enacts the following Local Law:
LOCAL LAW NO. 9 OF 2005
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Streetlight Specifications .
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Purpose - This amendment is intended to promote safety during response to accidents by facilitating the
shut off of power in the event of damaged light pole fixtures. This amendment would also help ensure that new
lighting fixtures shed light upon the street and not upon private properties.
II. Chapter 108 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§ A108-47. Streetlighting specifications.
Streetlight standards, luminaries, conduit, splice boxes, fuses and all related hardware for streetlighting systems
shall be installed in all residential and commercial subdivisions.
F. Wire and cable for lighting system circuitry shall be direct burial, copper, type RR-USE or XLP-USE with
a minimum gauge of AWG No. 6. Wire shall be approved and complete installation shall meet all requirements of
the National Electrical Code. All wire splicing shall be performed within approved splice boxesv. ..... v,.,~.;*~';~ rv~v~ at
kan~ ke!e. All splices and connections shall be made using approved split bolt or compression-type connectors
and shall be insulated using an approved waterproof method. Cable shall be buried twenty-four (24) inches below
finished grade installed directly behind the curbing. Any and all wiring under a roadway, driveway, walkway,
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sidewalk or other load-bearing paved surface shall be installed within one-and-one-fourth-inch galvanized rigid
steel conduit. All cable terminations and splices shall be color-coded using Scotch Tape 2210 as follows: red - hot
leg; white - neutral leg; green - ground. All underground wire and cable shall have caution tape installed at eight
(8) inches below finish grade.
G. Polyethylene splice boxes shall be Associated Plastics Splice/Valve Box # S1419 or approved equal and
shall ma5' be installed at t~e base immediately in front of each streetlight pole for splicing and fusing. Splice boxes
shall be installed so that the top of the installed box is at finished grade. Splice boxes shall be located behind the
curb in front of each light pole.
L. Streetlights to be installed on existing utility poles located on existing town property at all new
intersections created by the subdivision shall be the developer's responsibility. All required Long
Island Lighting Company permits as well as coordination and installation shall be obtained and
provided by the developer. The installation shall be approximately twenty-five (25) feet above finish
grade and shall meet all the requirements of the Long Island Lighting Company. Fixture type shall be
Cobra Head with fifty-, seventy-five- or one-hundred-fifty-watt high pressure sodium as directed and
approved by the Commissioner of Public Works and the Superintendent of Highways. The remaining
assembly shall be an eight-foot arm with rubber bushing and grounding lug. Risers shall be Schedule
80, three-fourths-inch PVC. Wire shall be RHW-USE or RHH-USE with a minimum gauge of AWG
No. 8. The new li~htin~ fixture shall be set perpendicular to the new street and shed light in the
direction parallel to the existin~ Town road or through street. The power supplied to lights on existing
utility poles in existing town rights-of-way shall be the responsibility of the Town of Southold.
SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any court of
competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law as a whole or
any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided by
law.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#371
Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Councilman Edwards,
WHEREAS, there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold on the 10th day of
May, 2005, a Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Construction
Specifications for Roadways in Conservation Subdivisions", and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid Local
Law at which time all interested persons were given the opportunity to be heard, now therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enacts the following Local Law:
LOCAL LAW NO. 10 OF 2005
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Construction
Specifications for Roadways in Conservation Subdivisions".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
Purpose - This amendment is intended to permit the Planning Board, with the approval of the
Superintendent of Highways, to approve a minimum right-of-way of twenty-five feet, rather than fifty
feet, for Conservation Subdivisions that consist of five or more lots.
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Chapter 108 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§ A108-15. Construction specifications.
The specifications set forth in the following chart shall apply to all constructed roadways after April
20, 1993:
Specifications. [Amended 7-27-2004 by L.L. No. 14-2004]
Minimum Right-
Number of Lots of-Way Width Road Width
Serviced by Road Zoning District feet) (feet)
5 3
5 and over All R Districts 50 16
(When developed at
a density of R-200 15-1)
or less.)
(Drawing No.
NOTES:
5 When development meets the minimum criteria for Conservation Subdivisions under Chapter Al06,
Subdivision of Land, the Plannina Board may, with the approval of the Superintendent of Hiahways,
approve a minimum riaht-of-wa¥ width of not less than lwent¥ five feet (25').
SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any court of
competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law as a whole or
any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
III. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided by
law.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
#372
Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Councilman Wickham,
WHEREAS, there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold on the 24th day of
May, 2005, a Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Stop Signs on Elijah's Lane", and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid Local
Law at which time all interested persons were given the opportunity to be heard, now therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enacts the following Local Law:
LOCAL LAW NO. 11 OF 2005
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Stop Signs on Eli]ah's Lane".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
IV. Purpose The recent installation of stop signage along Elijah's Lane at the intersection of Tabor Road has
resulted in a public safety concern. Accordingly, it is necessary to remove the recently-added stop
signage.
V. Chapter 92 of the Vehicle and Traffic Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
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§ 92-30. Stop intersections with stop signs.
The following highway intersections are hereby designated as stop intersections and stop signs shall be erected as
follows:
Stop Sign on Direction of Travel At Inter- Location
Section With (hamlet)
VI. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any court of
competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law as a whole or
any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
VII. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided by
law.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Is there any discussion on this item?
COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: Yes, I would like to get some clarification on one point, with respect to
the third stop sign and I just don't remember. Was there no stop sign where Tabor enters Elijah's? I
remember the discussions had to do with the stop signs on Elijah's but normally you would have a stop
sign for a road entering, an arterial road would be a fairly normal thing to do.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: That was there? Okay, so then...
COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: Well, we are not proposing...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Then what we will do, as per this, I think we can amend this to leave that
one, the Tabor, the one on Tabor that, the stop sign that would stop you from emptying out on to
Elijah's Lane, leave that intact, in place, we can have this part of the record here...
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: Sure. Just state on the record what you want to do
and what you are going to vote on and either if it is already in separately because this is the reverse of
what you voted on before...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right.
ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: It may be that the original stop sign exists
independently...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay, so what we will do, just to keep everything clear, this resolution, the
intent of this resolution, the intent of this law is to remove two stop signs. The one that will remain is
on Tabor and prevents traffic, has traffic stopped before entering Elijah's Lane. That stop sign will
remain in place, as per the intent of this Board's action, voting on this resolution and this law.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: And the two on Elijah's Lane itself would be removed?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is correct.
COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: With the understanding that we are only referring to those two stop
signs.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: We have made that clear.
COUNCILMAN EDWARDS: Well, I want it clear.
JUSTICE EVANS: I would vote yes with the understanding that we are going to continue to look at
this and there is a possibility of putting stop signs back in but with proper warning. I think we need to
continue to look at how we are going to slow down traffic and not have that danger.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: I will be voting yes on this with the assurance that we should have, if there
aren't enough, we should have more visible 'children at play' signs in the neighborhood and we also,
in the words of Councilman Wickham several months ago when we were discussing this, a slew of
tickets would go a long way and that is another thing we will address promptly. So, I vote yes.
Vote of the Town Board: Aye: Councilman Edwards, Councilman Ross, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Romanelli, Justice Evans, Supervisor Horton.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: I just hope I don't get the tickets.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yeah, it will be Councilman Wickham who gets the ticket. Have an APB
out for a big white station wagon. That concludes the resolutions, we open the floor to the public to
address the Board on general town matters. Yes, Mr. Carlin. Thank you all for attending and thank
you for the broad and articulate communication with my office on this matter. We appreciate it.
MR. CARLIN: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Just for off the record, I live on the Main Road
in Laurel and you would be surprised, almost every day, 18 wheelers come and stop in front of my
house, not sure of making the bridge clearance or not. So ifI am home, I will go out and the first thing
I will say to the driver is, "Are you more than 13'6", which is the state law" and if he says no, go
ahead. But sometimes I am not home and they stand there like, it was yesterday, a tremendous size 18-
wheeler, I didn't get out in time, he tries to turn around, go into Camp Malloy and try to back out.
Then there was one night, it was foggy and trying to back all the way down to Edmund Bokina's house
in the fog. It is not easy. But the problem here is, they don't know but then I complain to the state and
we had that bridge raised back in 1983 when a husband and wife and young girl was killed there from
Connecticut or Rhode Island, I said to the state, well, why don't you put a sign up down the road a
little ways indicating the clearance, like you had before you raised the bridge. They had it for 11'9".
11 '9" wouldn't make a tractor trailer, so many a roof come off a tractor trailer, I can remember that. I
live in that house for 51 years. I also mentioned to Bill (inaudible), who was in charge of the signs at
that time in '83, I said why don't you, when you complete the road here, why don't you put a sign up
here? We can't do that because it is within state allowance now of 13'6", we can't go all around every
place and put signs up. So that is what I live with. What I am trying to say here is, it is there and I
have to live with it, what am I going to do?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: We will make sure we get a sign up there, I will work with the State.
MR. CARLIN: Don't put it in front of my house, though.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: It will be right on your from lawn. The bridge in from of you.
MR. CARLIN: Give them a chance to stop, okay?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: You got it.
MR. CARLIN: Because if my wife hears this, I don't know. But we got one sign the state put up there,
I think it says, 'beware of deer'. That is alright.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: Jumping off the bridge, right. We, actually Councilman Wickham has
indicated that he has tried to get the state to do that as well and we will move on that, see if we can't
get either the MTA or the state.
MR. CARLIN: It is very bad because, you know, a funny thing is across the bridge North Fork has
their big sign right across the bridge...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, maybe we will ask John Kanas if he will just put it right in one of his
ads. That way, we could kill two birds with one stone.
MR. CARLIN: Okay, my main subject tonight...
COUNCILMAN ROSS: Mr. Carlin, before we get off the railroad trestle, the New York State
Department of Transportation has advised us they are going to be painting the trestle in 2006 and that
we should advise people who might have input or an interest in that, so I am advising you and advising
the public of that. They are going to paint it, so if you have a color choice, let them know.
MR. CARLIN: Does that mean North Fork will have to take their signs off after they paint and North
Fork will put the signs back on.
COUNCILMAN ROSS: Very likely.
MR. CARLIN: Okay. Well, tonight I am going to speak one more on television. About the
(inaudible) situation. I didn't get a phone call from you at the last Board meeting after that, but that is
alright, Josh, I know you were busy...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: My office tried to call you yesterday and today.
MR. CARLIN: Well, I have an answering machine but that is alright. That is alright. I know you are
busy.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, Frank, we...
MR. CARLIN: When I say that is alright, Josh, that means look out.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, what I am telling you, Frank, is that we tried to call because we had
some information, we had some follow-up.
MR. CARLIN: I have an answering machine, I have an ID and all of that. But anyway, this is a little
bit something different from what I was saying the last time. I say, and I hope that the next Board that
we have here because you won't be here...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Does that mean I can leave?
MR. CARLIN: The first of the year. That we make more use of Channel 22.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: I agree.
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MR. CARLIN: That is a government education access channel and 80 percent of the time it is playing
music and it is blue and yellow. That isn't educating nobody. That doesn't tell me nothing. We need
to develop a system and don't laugh when I say this for somebody and call it public information
meeting. That you open that up to the public once a week, for say an hour, like you did on your 'Supe
in the diner' and appoint somebody to run this, like a Larry King type of guy, that knows what he is
talking about and knows what is going on.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Like a Frank Carlin type of guy.
MR. CARLIN: I am not speaking for myself, believe me. Invite the different people in the Town, you
know the business people, the seniors and talk to them, get their opinion. You will learn a lot that way.
Especially on election time. Invite the candidates to talk, to interview them. All bodies, it wouldn't be
discrimination because you would invite the Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives and the whole
thing. Either that as a group or separate. This way all the people in the Town will have a really an
idea of what each candidate, what his program is. And what he, how he thinks. Rather than coming to
Town Board meetings and reading it in the paper. Make use of it more. Make more education of it.
Like for example, invite Acampora or LaValle. Talk about what is going on up in Albany. That is
interesting to the people. See what Silver is doing and see what Bruno is doing and Pataki is doing,
what they are up to. Because they run Albany. And this is what I suggest. Maybe it sounds foolish
but it puts more value to the station...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: It actually is a very good idea and the opportunity to do that...
MR. CARLIN: It educates the people of the town...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: ...the opportunity to do that actually exists right now and I have tried to
make this clear in the past that any organization that or entity that would want to make use of that
channel, has the right to do so. There are, few organizations have, I know there is a congressional
program on there, there is also a gentleman who works for Southampton College and he talks about
jobs and the local economy on eastern Long Island. I have a program on there and that program is
designed specifically to raise awareness of other organizations in town. And so that channel is
actually, I have spoken with a couple of different student organizations and actually tried to pique their
interest and say here is a wonderful opportunity for you to get some AV experience and you know,
have your show. Mattituck High School for example, has a wonderful morning show and a great news
program that the students put on. They would be more than welcome to actually make use of this
channel.
MR. CARLIN: That is right.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: So, while the Town Board shouldn't get in the business of, you know,
coordinating programs, the channel itself is available to anybody in Southold Town that would have a
program that would fall under the guise of government and education.
MR. CARLIN: But you see, Josh...
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: And we invite that.
MR. CARLIN: ... the Town Board controls channel 22 on programming.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Actually it doesn't, yeah, but it will, we are required to, it doesn't yet...
MR. CARLIN: Right.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: ... it doesn't yet but by the year end, there will be what is referred to as an
insertion point in one of the Town buildings, where the actual control of channel 22 will be in a town
facility. So if there is an organization that has a program, they will be able to upload it to the system
and have it air on channel 22.
MR. CARLIN: You have to appoint, though, a director to control that ....
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Actually the contract calls for a committee to control that.
MR. CARLIN: A committee?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yeah.
MR. CARLIN: A director or committee, whatever you want.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yup.
MR. CARLIN: But and open it up for everybody...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Frank, it is open.
MR. CARLIN: ... but even the man right here can put on an interview for half an hour.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: It is open and the key is getting people and organizations to actually take
initiative to make use of the channel. It is open right now. If you want to have a show...
MR. CARLIN: I never knew that, though. I didn't know it till you told me.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay. If you want to have a show, Frank, you can have a show.
MR. CARLIN: I don't want to...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, that is what I am saying. It is open right now. It is open to anyone in
the community or organization, they have the right to that channel and I encourage that. I think it
would be a great thing to have more, there are so many thriving organizations in this town, my little
effort to raise awareness of those organizations would be greatly stimulated if the organizations
themselves or people themselves would make use of the channel. It is a great opportunity for people.
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MR. CARLIN: I understand that.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: So your points are well made.
MR. CARLIN: But until tonight I did not know that that was that way.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: I tried to explain that at the last meeting.
MR. CARLIN: A lot of people in the town didn't know that either, that it is open to the public. It is
open to the town, I understood, and you control what programs you want to put on here and how long
they want to be on there ....
SUPERVISOR HORTON: But we don't control, that is what I tried to explain at the last meeting,
Frank.
MR. CARLIN: I never knew they were open to the general public.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay, well sorry. I tried to communicate it at the last meeting. I should
have done a better job, obviously.
MR. CARLIN: But consider that. I think it is a good idea. Even invite a doctor on for half an hour
and the subject would be how to prevent a heart attack, that is educational. People want to hear that.
Anything like that. You know? A man is in a business or something or a man who is a vineyard
owner. How you doing with your vineyards and Ed Siegmann on taxes. But you know, I think the
seniors would like that.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: I think that would be great. I think...
MR. CARLIN: But a lot of them can't get out (inaudible) and they want to watch TV.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Well, people need to take the initiative to develop a show and have it taped
and put it on the air. Because it is there for you.
MR. CARLIN: Okay. Now, I have got a few simple questions here that I want to ask you and then I
am going to quit tonight. The CSEA contract, has that been settled yet for the employees here of the
town?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: We have been told that there has been, I don't know what the proper
terminology, there was a an anonymous ballot in support of moving forward and we, the town, is
waiting to hear back from the CSEA negotiating team as to when a vote would take place. So we're
poised and ready to act as soon as the CSEA votes to accept the contract language.
MR. CARLIN: It is too bad because they are over now two and a half years, these people deserve a
raise like anybody else.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: And Frank, the Town Board feels the same.
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COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: We are not holding anything up.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yeah, the Town...
MR. CARLIN: Okay, that's all I want to know.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: But the point is, you are right, the employees that work for the town
deserve the raise and deserve a settled contract and we are, we have been aggressively pursuing settling
that and striking the balance of what is in the best interest of the employees as well as what is in the
best interest of the entire tax paying community of the town.
MR. CARLIN: The second one is unforgettable, how are we coming along with the animal shelter
going out for bidding? How are we coming along, are we moving on that?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: We are in the time period now, we're uh, we're, the bids specs, the bid
packages have been put out so we are in a time, sort of a holding pattern waiting for information to
come back so we can act.
MR. CARLIN: It still will be on schedule, won't it?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes.
MR. CARLIN: And final, a very simple question. How is that new canine dog doing? Has he been on
any cases?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: He is doing, actually, I was just with him this evening, before I came over
here, I had a meeting with Officer Frank Mele and the canine, whose name is Ajax, and he is actually
doing very well. There is a number of components that go into implementing that, there is quite a bit
of education, so there is a lot of outreach with the canine unit into the schools and having particularly
the elementary school children meet Ajax and the dog and the police officer and learn more about
police work in Southold Town and public safety. It is a great education tool. And also he is, they have
been on patrol throughout town and been involved with a number of cases.
MR. CARLIN: I was always, for years I was always for a canine dog unit in Southold and a funny
problem...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: And again, we should thank North Fork Bank ....
MR. CARLIN: ... I hope, Josh, when you leave in January that he don't miss you, start looking for
you.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: I hope he doesn't start looking for me, too. The last thing I want is him
looking for me. A lot of people can bark but he can bite. Yes, Mr. Cahill.
MARK CAHILL: Mark Cahill, Mattituck. On the advice of Mr. Carlin, I would like to enquire on
how one in the public goes about using the equipment or getting access to...
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: We don't own equipment but if you have the ability to tape a program, it is
as simple as, I can even make it easy for you, just let me know when you would like it aired and we
will let Cablevision know that you will be coming in to... excuse me, you will be, just let my offices
know what the program is, when you would like it aired and we can let Cablevision know that you are
bringing it up for airing.
MR. CAHILL: How much time would I need?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: How much time what?
MR. CAHILL: To notify you? IfI want it aired? A couple days? Two days?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, you should probably give me a little notice because I am not in the
broadcast programming business, it is really not part of my job description. I just sort of can facilitate
a conversation with you and Cablevision, put you in touch with the right people and then how long it
would take for them to get you on is anybody's guess.
MR. CAHILL: Okay. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Yes, Mrs. Egan.
MS. EGAN: Yes. Good evening again everybody. Just a little clarification, at last Town Hall meeting
I think you all saw my letter in the Traveler...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No.
MS. EGAN: You didn't? Well, I will enlarge a copy. I addressed when Mr. Carlin spoke about cable
and you said that your office doesn't control it and all that, I told Mr. Carlin at that meeting to call
Zabby. He didn't. I did. I spoke with Mr. Clemen, the program director for Cablevision and he
assured me, Zabby told me who to call and the number and he assured me that you guys call the shots,
when it is on and what time it is on. Well, I don't think anybody from Cablevision, because I taped
them, so now in addition, as far, you asked about the union, Mr. Carlin. I spoke with a union member
today and they were quite willing and ready to sign the contract, until they read, I believe a clause,
don't quote me but to the best of my knowledge, what it said was, at the time of when it will be re-
negotiated...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Mrs. Egan?
MS. EGAN: ...let's say the contract is for two years...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Mrs. Egan?
MS. EGAN: Excuse me...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No. I don't think it is appropriate for you to insert yourself in the...
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MS. EGAN: Oh, I think it is.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: ... in the negotiating process. Particularly since it is...
MS. EGAN: I am not negotiating anything. I am telling you that you are not doing your job and you
have them up against the wall and I think you may have violated the Taft-Hardly law doing it.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay.
MS. EGAN: Ah, I am not finished. I notice again that we are losing many good people. Oh, you lost
Amy Martin, you lost Valerie one meeting a while ago, I hope you all also noticed that the obituary
columns are getting proportionately as big as the police reports.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: And you want us to stop people passing away as well?
MS. EGAN: It is terrible and I keep telling you that and you keep ignoring me. Now, again of course
the flag on the Mattituck-Cutchogue school...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Mrs. Egan, for the Mattituck-Cutchogue school building ....
MS. EGAN: No, no.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: ... call the school.
MS. EGAN: No. Mr. Horton, you have got more time and more help than I do.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Mrs. Egan, call the school.
MS. EGAN: No, don't, I did and got no results.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Why?
MS. EGAN: I went into the school...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Why do you think that is, Mrs. Egan?
MS. EGAN: ... and got no results. You do it with a registered letter, return receipt requested.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No.
MS. EGAN: With my taxes. No, you won't do it. Why not?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No, I won't.
MS. EGAN: Why not? Shame on you.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: Because you continue to abrade the Town Board.
MS. EGAN: Bull. You need to be brought up short. That is for sure.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay.
MS. EGAN: Now, in addition, at the police station there is, you have got to do something about
privacy. Women are coming in there, men, children, there is no privacy unless it is a very extremely
serious situation where police and blah blah are involved, you are not taken into the back. You sit
there at that desk with people coming in to get a soda or to use the telephone and there is no privacy.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Right. You are right, we should have...
MS. EGAN: And this is wrong. Terribly, terribly wrong.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: You are right, Mrs. Egan. We should have...
MS. EGAN: And I really, Mr. Horton, I truly resent your remark that I shouldn't get myself involved
in things...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Excuse me, I would like to first respond to your...
MS. EGAN: Now, I also, I am not finished...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: ...to your point about the police department, because I think it is a very
important point...
MS. EGAN: Oh, I know I have said this to you for at least, for at least three to four years and nothing
has been done.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay, Mrs. Egan.
MS. EGAn: You sure do get on it when you get land control, you can get land in your name. Boy,
you move fast on that. Now, in addition, when does the next quarterly come up for the town?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: We don't have a newsletter planned.
MS. EGAn: You don't.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No.
MS. EGAN: Are we going to do anything about informing people about how to protect themselves for
the tsunami? And for the Child Protection Agency?
SUPERVISOR HORTON: As I said, we don't have a newsletter planned.
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MS. EGAN: You don't, you don't, you don't, you don't.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay, Mrs. Egan. Is there anything else?
MS. EGAN: I don't know.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay. We will move on. Would anybody else care to address the Town
Board? Okay. Thank you, Mrs. Egan.
MS. EGAN: Don't ever, ever try to rush me, Mr. Horton.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay, Mrs. Egan. Yes, Mr. Carlin.
MR. CARLIN: I was also to see Bob in Cablevision upstairs. The operation. You gotta go through an
elevator, you have to know the code to push the elevator to get up where the operation is. I sat at his
desk with him. I know the whole operation. How the operation works and what the cameraman said
the last time wasn't true but I am not going get into that now. I did my homework on it, too. But when
the gentleman was here before talking about noise, I have to agree with him about noise. Unless the
Town Board has a code passed qualifying how much noise is your limit, you ain't gonna do nothing
with the noise. Because you got nothing to stand by. Does the town code have any limitations on how
much noise is allowed? Noise is measured by decibels, db's.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay.
MR. CARLIN: Does it have anything in the code system...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No.
MR. CARLIN: ... that says how much db's is allowed? You don't have a leg to stand on.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: That is interesting because last summer over a dozen tickets were written
for vehicles that were out of compliance with NYS Vehicle and Traffic law...they were, Mr. Carlin.
They wrote tickets because vehicles, motorcycles and four-wheel vehicles were operating with illegal
exhaust systems. They were operating with other types of illegal mechanics on their vehicles and the
police department can pull them over and they can write tickets on that. Without a noise ordinance.
MR. CARLIN: Well it is funny in the beginning when...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: And it happened all last summer. Several check points for four-wheel
vehicles and two-wheeled vehicles were addressed and it is going to continue on this summer. It is a
very difficult issue to grapple with and we have to continue being strong on it.
MR. CARLIN: But the bottom line is, what is your maximum decibel reading and if you don't have
anything how can you ....
SUPERVISOR HORTON: But if you have seven, eight...
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MR. CARLIN: In court, I am talking about.
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SUPERVISOR HORTON: ... in court, Mr. Carlin. I just want to make this, because I have heard this
discussed before and the fact remains, in court, if there are six motorcycles driving down the street,
your little noise gun isn't going to prove anything because you can't prove that noise was generated by
any one of those six motorcycles. And you can't, yeah, well but the noise meter isn't going to prove
that it was any one of those or the other.
MR. CARLIN: But you gotta have...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Which is the point?
MR. CARLIN: (inaudible)
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Noise ordinances, generally speaking, are unenforceable. The thing to do
is direct, direct intervention as the police department has done over the course of all last summer,
which is establish check points, we have a stop DWI program, establish check points, registration,
helmets, exhaust systems and for four-wheeled vehicles: exhaust system, registration, insurance. This
is how we have to continue maintaining safe vehicle operation and a reduction in noise on our town
roads.
MR. CARLIN: Do you have any plans on incorporating something in the zoning code? You have got
everything else in there.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: No. Our plan is to...
COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: (inaudible) New York State law, is what we are going to use.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Our plan, Mr. Carlin, our plan is to continue enforcing those laws and we
are going to continue that with every effort.
MR. CARLIN: I live right on the Main Road and no more traffic goes by than it is by my house. I
don't care where you live...
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay. Okay.
MR. CARLIN: I don't care where you live, there no more goes by my house.
anything. Sometimes on a Sunday, there is 18 or 30 motorcycles going by.
supposed to do?
Eighteen wheelers,
Again. What am I
SUPERVISOR HORTON: And, which is why check points are helpful. Because if you have 18 to 30
of anything coming down the road, if they are operating illegally, if they are operating vehicles that
don't have proper exhaust systems, you can pick it up then. Much more effectively than you can with
a noise meter. And so the key is ongoing efforts, as you have suggested.
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MR. CARLIN: I actually think maybe I am wrong but if this was in court, you would have to prove
what is your tolerance for noise? And if you can't prove it, you don't have a leg to stand on.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Okay. Thank you. Oh, Mrs. Egan. You would like to address the Board?
MS. EGAN: I am back again.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Great.
MS. EGAN: Oh, I guess you all know at this point that CAST has left, Community Action of
Southold, is now in Riverhead. It is a disgrace. I think at the last Town Hall meeting I asked about the
$100,000 and that they could use it and you would get receipts. We allocated $100,000 to Greenport
and I asked you what had been done with that money and you said that they use the money or request
the money from you. So I don't know why, if we gave them $100,000, they could not have found a
temporary home for Greenport, for CAST in Greenport and that is again, shame, shame, shame on you,
your mom and Mr. Kapell. Your mom helped to start that.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: Mrs. Egan. Mrs. Egan. I am drawing the line, you are out of line.
MS. EGAn: No, I am not.
SUPERVISOR HORTON: And you are done for the night. My mother is no longer a public official,
she is a private citizen, whose name or any reference to her, you will not bring up in this room. You
are done, Mrs. Egan. Thank you for sharing this evening and you generally off'er something positive to
the Board. Thank you, Mrs. Egan. Would anyone else care to address the Board? (No response)
Thank you very much. The meeting is adjourned. This has been a productive meeting and I thank the
public for coming out and assisting us in these matters.
Elizabeth A. Neville
Southold Town Clerk