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HomeMy WebLinkAboutZBA-01/19/1967 MINUTES SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS January 19, 1967 A regular meeting of the Southoid ToWn Board of Appeals was held at 7:30 P.M., Thursday, January I9, 1967, at the Tovfn Office, Main'Road, SouthoId, New York. There were present: Messrs: Robert 'W. GiIIispie, Jr., Chairman, Robert Bergen and Charles Grigonis, Jr. Absent: Messrs. Fred Hulse, Jr. and Serge Doyen, Jr. PUBLIC :HEARING: Appeal No. 1017 - 7:30 P.M. (E.'S. T.), Upon application of Robert Auld, Mill Creek Drive and Meadow Lane, Southold, New York, for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 306, for permission to reduce f~ont setback on aside street. Loeation of property: southeast corner of M_iii Creek Drive and Meadow Lane, Southold, New York, bounded north by Mill Creek Drive, east by I). PurcelI, south by Mill Creek~ west by Meadow Lane. Fee paid $5.00. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the applieation for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official news- paper, and notice to the applicant. THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in favor o£ this applicaiion ? SouthoId Town Board of Appeals WILLIAM SMITH: Speaking for it. add to it. -2- January 19, 1967 Everything has been said. I can't THE CHAIRMAN: You can't even begin to describe how odd shaped this lot is. I can't-even begin to describe it. What is this Meadow Lane? MR. SMITH: That goes to the water. THE CHAIR1VLtN: This is one at Mill Colony. The reIocation would be 15 feet from a~dead end road, Meadow Lane, which ends at the town creek. Right ? MR. SMITH: Right. THE CHAIRMAN: It is proposed to buiid another house? MR. SMITH: We would build a new house on the balance of the land. THE CHAIRMAN: You must separate the lots. You cannot build two houses on one-lot. MR. SMITH: I did that with a map. Howard has it. THE CHAIRIMAN: Is it in here? MR. SMITH: Yes. THE CHAIRMAN: It wiII be necessary for you to come back when you want to build a house on it. Is there anyone present who wishes to speak against this application? After investigation and inspection the Board find that the appeIIant requests permission to reduce the front setback of a dweIting Iocated on Meadow Lane, SouthoId, New York, from 35 feet to 15 feet. The Board notes that the lot upon which the dwelIing is located is unusuaIIy odd shaped. The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance will produce practical difficuIties or unnecessary hardship; the hardship created is unique and would not be shared by ali properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property and in the same use district; and the variance does observe the spirit of the ordinance and wiIl not change the character of the district. Southold Town Board of Appeals -3- January 19, 1967 'On motion by Mr. GilIispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it-was RESOLVED that William B. Smith a/c Robert Auld, SouthoId, New York, be granted permission to reduce the setback of the dwelling on Meadow Lane from 35 feet to 15 feet. Vote of the Board: Unanimously in favor. 'PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1018 - 7:40 P.M. ~E. S. T.),'Upon :applica- tion (Sf Edward Abitz, Mattituck, New York, a/c J. Richard Holmes, M/II Road, Mattituck, New York~ for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,' Article IV, Section 404, for permission to replace a non-conforming accessory ' building. Location of property: south side Mill Road, Mattituck~ New York, .. bounded north by Mill Road, east by Mill Road - Mattituck Creek, south by Matti~- tuck Holding Co., west by Mattituck Holding Co. Fee paid $5.00. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the applicationfofDr a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official news- paper and notice to the applicant. The Chairman briefly explained the nature of the application. THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in favor of this application ? ~There was no response.) THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present to speak against this applica- tion ? ~There was no response.) After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests permission to replace an existing non-conforming.building with a new building. The proposed use of the building is for housing help. The first floor will be for storage in connection with the restaurant. The second floor for sleeping quarters for help to be used during the season of the restaurant. The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance would produce practical difficulties and unnecessary hardship; the hardship created is unique and would not be shared by ail properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property and in the same nse~district and the permission granted herein does observe the spirit of the Ordinance and wilt not change the character of the district. Southold Town Board of Appeals -4- .January 19, 1967 On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was RESOLVED that Edward Abitz, Mat/truck, New York, a/c ~[. Richard Holmes, Mill Road, Mattituck, l~ew York, be granted a variance for permission to replace a non-conforming accessory building with a new building to be erected in the same location as the existing building. Vote Of the Board: Ayes:-Mr. GiIiispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. * , PUBLIC I-IEARING: AppeaI No. 1019 - 7:50 1~. M. ~(E. S. T. ), Upon application of Ifoke Bros. Garage, Inc., Traveler Street, Southold, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Subsection ~(a) for permission to re!ain the following signs: 1) one on premises ground sign with insufficient setback. Loeaiion of property: southwest corner of Traveler Street and Youngs Avenue, SouthoId, New York, bounded north by Traveler Street, east by Youngs Avenue, south by LeicttzTerp, west by II. F; Prince. 2) one off premises road side sign, located on the Property of the applicant on the north side of Main Road; SouthoId~ New York, bounded north by Long Island Railroad, east by LiebIein Bros., south by Main Road, west by Lieblein Bros. Fee paid $5.00. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper, and notice to the applicant. TIItC. CI-IAIRMAAI: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in favor of the application ? ~There was no response) TIlE CIIAIR1VIAN: It states in the application that the sign on the corner of your lot is 5 feet from the street. Is that correct? MR.: KOtfE: It is about 2 or 3 feet from the property line. -When Van TuyI surveyed it 'there was about a foot of the sidewalk on our property. THE CPIAIRMAN: How is that sign set in. Is it in concrete ? MR." KOKE: Five inch pipe. Souttiold Town Board of Appeals -5- January 19, 1967 THE CI-IAIR1VIAN: It is a tight situation on that corner but the sign does not block~vision. I would be in favor of leaving that sign where it is but the other sign would have to go. MR. KOKE: I~m all for the sign we have at LiebIeins but I would take it down if we had to when ail the other signs go down. TI-IE CHAIR1VIAN: I don~t know. There is no way to know when ail the signs will come down. They have been served with notices. MR. KOKE: I was hoping that you could grant us them. THE CIIAIR1VL~N: I know there is,no fair way of doing it. MR. KOKE: We donXt want to take our signs down when ail the other signs are still up. THE CYIB, IRiMAN: We understand that. The enforcement was postponed for a while bylhe~Town Board. They have now decided to act. The Building Inspector has issued violations - 1000 or 1500 should be issued but they cannot be issued simultaneously, lie is going fromone end of the town to the other. We are taking them as they come. But We can't extend the time. MR.' KOKE: But some of those signs may be up for ten years. MR. GRIGOlk]IS: They wonXt be up for ten years. ~f~I~ CHAIRB/LAiY: I don't know how long it will take but more and more are doin~ it. There is a difference now. I have gone around and I do finally see some difference. We are getting some compliance now. But we are not authorized to make an exception in your case. Is there anyone present who wishes to speak against this application? ~There was no response.) After investigation and inspection the Board finds-that the appellant requests permission to retain an on premises ground sign with insufficient setback and an off premises roadside sign. The Bm rd finds that the on premises sign located on the northeast corner of the Koke Bros. Garage is not a traffic hazard. As to the sign on the premises of Koke Bros. Garage the Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially ~jured and the spirit of the Ordinance will be observed. Southold Town Board of Appeals -6- January~ 19, 1967 As-to the off premises sign on the north side of Main Road opposite the Port of Egypt the Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will not be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts wilI be permanently or substantially injured and the spirit of the Ordinance will not be observed. On motion by Mr. GilLispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was RESOLVED, that I~oke Bros. Garage, Inc., Traveler Street, Southold, New York, be granted permission to retain an ~mu premises sign located in the northeast corner of the Koke Bros. Garage property on Traveler Street and denied permission to retain the off premises sign on the north side of the Main Road opposite the Port of Egypt Which is an off premises directional sign. The permission herein is granted subject to the following conditions: '1. This sign shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon written application to the Board of Appeals. 2. This sign shall be subject to ali subsequent changes in the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs.. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GilIispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1020 - 8:00 P.M. ~-E. S. T.), Upon applica- tion of Reeve Lumber and Woodworking Co., Main Road, Mattituck, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408,- Subsection {b), for permission to retain a side wail sign. Location of property: south side Main Road, Mattituck, New York, bounded north by Main Road, east by Mattituck Library, south by H. R. Reeve, west by Arena GIover. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper, and notice to the applica,ht. THE CILiIRtVLiN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak for this application ? As I recall there are three businesses. I-I~ROLD t~. REEVE: Two businesses. Reeve Lumber and Woodworking and Harold R. Reeve & Son which is the contracting end. MR, BERGEN: You took ail the signs off the fence, Se~eraI signs on the fence they took down. Southold Town Board of Appeals -7- January 19, 1967 MR.' REEVE: We never have had any signs in the Town of Riverhead lead- ing into us. We donzi believe in it. The one on the west side is the only one we have. THE CI-IAIRMAN: Ail the rest are conforming. MR. REEVE: It is not important now bmr someday if Mrs. G~ver~s goes, it will stand out and you can see it. house THE CHAIRMAN: Would you say this is the only sign Harold R. Reeve & Sons has. That is the building contracting end of it. MR. REEVE: Yes. THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone wish to speak against this application? After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests permission To retain a side wail sign. The findings of the Board are that the appellant has two separate businesses and the sign applied for is the onIy sign publicly displayed by the Harold t~. Reeve & Son division of the business which concerns itself with contracting. Accordingly, we believe that granting this application w~tl now make ail the signs presently on the property entirely Iegal. The Board fin~s that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally'established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the spirit of the ordinance will be observed. On motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Gillispie, it was RESOLVED that Reeve Lumber and Woodworking Co. , Main Road, Mattituck, New York be granted permission to retain a side wall sign on a building located on the south side of Main Road, Mattituck, New York, as applied for. This permission is granted subject to the following conditions. 1. The sign is granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the SouthoId Tow~a Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs. 2. The sign shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon written application to the Board of Appeals. Vote of the Board: Ayes: -Mr. GitIispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. Southotd Town Board of Appeals -8- January 19, 1967 PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1021 - 8:10 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon application of Long Island Cauliflower Assoc., Marcy Avenue, Riverhead, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Subsection (b), for permission to retain a side wall sign.. Location of property: north side Middle Road, Southold, New York, bounded north by M Dickerson, east by Youngs Avenue, south by Middle Road, west by Long Island Cauliflower Assoc. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant. TI4E CI-IAIRAIAN: I)oes anyone wish to speak in favor of this application? (There was no response.) TI-IE CIIAIRMAN: The sign on the west wall must be removed or approved by the Board of Appeals. Does anyone wish to speak against this application? (There was no response.) After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests permission to retain a side wail sign. The Board grants the permission as applied for and agrees with the reasoning of the application. This is a means of identifying a public auction which is used by most of the farmers in the area. It is a necessary sign. The Board~finds thai the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining us districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the spirit of the ordinance will be observed. On motion~by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was ~ RESOLVED that Long Island Cauliflower Assoc., Marcy Avenue, Riverhead, New York~ be granted permission to retain a side wail sign ona building located on the north side of Middle Road, Southold, New York, as applied for. This permission is granted subject to the following conditions. 1. The sign is granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the SouthoId Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs. SouthoId Town Board of Appeals -9- January 19, 1967 2. The sign shaiI be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon written application to the Board of Appeals. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen~ Mr. Grigonis. PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1022 - 8:20 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon applica- tion of Long Islsad CauIiflower Dist., Inc., Main Road, Orient, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408. Subsection (b) and (c) for permission to retain more than one wail or roof sigma. Location of property: south side Main Road, Orient, New York, bounded north by Main Road, east by Carl Sabine, south by John I)roskoski Est., west by John Droskoski ]Est. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper and noti~ce to the applicant. THE CHAIR~N: Does anyone wish to speak in favor of this application? CARL DENI-IOLTZ: I am the Sales Manager of Long Island Cauliflower Distributors. We -wish to speak for it. I was wondering if we could talk about the SouthoId and Orient at the same time. THE CHAIR1VIAN: No. The Southold sign is the next hearing. I can agree from personal experience that there is plenty of traffic down there especially at the.height of the season. Both farm trucks and trailers are there and these signs are needed for ~he reasons stated by the applicant. Actually, what we usually do in granting signs on the side of a building, we ask the applicant to forego putting a ground sign down. MR. GAGEN: A ground sign would be useless. THE CHAIRMAN: The Agway sign - this is a separate business. The usual procedure of the Board has been where there are two or more businesses conducted on the same premises each business may advertise itself. That can be pn one sign or separate signs. I think the applical[on is entirely in order unless someone wishes to speak against it. (There was no response,) Southold Town Board of Appeals -11- January 19, 1967 After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests permission to retain more than one wail or roof sign. The Board grants the permission as applied for and agrees with the reasoning of the applica- tion. The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the spirit of the ordinance will be observed. On motion by iYIr. GilIispie, seonnded by Mr. Grigonis, it was RESOLVED that Long Island Cauliflower Distributors~ Inc. · Main Road~ Orient, New York, be granted permission to retain more than one wall or roof sign on a building located on the south side of Main Road, Orient, New York, as applied for. This permission is granted subject to the following conditions. I. The signs are granted subject to all subsequent changes in the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs. 2. The signs shall be granted for one year only· renewable annually upon written apphcation to the Board of Appeals. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. PUBLIC HF~ARING: - Appeal No. 1023 - 8:30 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon applica- tion of Long Island Caulifiower Dist. ~gc. , YIorton Lane, Southold, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Subsection (C), for permission to retain roof edge sign. Location of property: west side I-Iorton Lane, Southold, New York, bounded north by W. & J. Conway, east by I-Iorton Lane, south by Sarah Guest-Rakowicz, west by Henry Jermings. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, tegat notice of hearing, afffda¥it attesting to its publication in official newspaper and notice to the applicant. TI-IE CHAIR1VIAN: Does anyone wish to speak in favor of this application? JA]VIES GAGEN: I think it is important to have the sign where it is. On the front of the building it wouId be of no use to us especially when the trucks ~ome at night. The sign is 600 or 700 ~eet off Route 27 and not right on the highway. It wouldn~t be visible at ail from the other side. SouthoId Town Board o£ Appeals -12- January 19, 1967 TYIE CIt/tIR1VIAN: We have turned down this type of sign where it exists for advertising purposes., but it seems necessary in this case. In fact it would be possible to have it larger. MR. GAGEN: It is sufficient. TYIE CtLa~IR1ViAN: The traffic you are trying to direct is on a road on the side of the building. It would do no good to have the sign on the front of the building. Does anyone wish to speak against this application? (There was no response.) After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests permission to retain a roof edge sign on a building Iocated on the west side of Horton Lane, Southold~ New York. The Board grants the permission as applied for and agrees with the reasoning of the application that the traffic that is being direeted is on Route 27 and not on Hortons Lane. The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantiaIiy injured and the spirit of the ordinance will be observed. On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was RESOLVED that. Long IsLand Cauhfiower Distributors, Inc., I-Iorton Lane~ SouthoId, New York, be granted permision to retain a roof edge sign. on a buiId[ng located on the west side of Horton Lane, Southold, 1 New York, as applied for. Permission granted subject to-the following conditions: I. The sign4s granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs. 2. The sign shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon written application to the Board of Appeals. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GilIispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. PUBLIC !~F~kRING: Appeal No. 1024 - 8:40 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon applica- tion of Marian Council Knights of Columbus, Cutchogue, New York~ for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 300, Sub- section I0, for permission to retain an off premises road side sign on the property . Southold Town Board of Appeals -I3-- January 19, 1967 of Magdalene ELak, located on the south side Main Road, Cutchogue, New York, bounded north by main road~ east by S. L. Dickerson, south by New Suffolk Avenue, west by Dist. Line. The Chairman opened the hearing by r:eading the applkcation-for a special exception, legal.notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper and notice lo the applicant. The Chairman noted that letter from Magalene Elak, property owner, approving application was in the file. THE CI-IA/R1VIAN; Does anyone wish to speak in favor of this application? ARTI-IUR SCHMITZ: I am the Grand Knight of the Council. In reply to the violation order, this sign is ~strictIy fo~ the purpose of informing the Knights of Columbus who come to the town that there is a Knights of Columbus in the town. It is not an advertising sign in any sense. TI-IE CHAIR1VIAN: I did not realize that post was chai~itabIe. MR. SCI-I1VIITZ: Charitable and fraternal. THE CHAIR1VIAN: I don't know that we have had an application for a fraternal- organization. MI{.~ SCI-IMITZ: The Lions' is not too far. THE CI-IAIR1VLiN: Is it your only sign? MR. SCI-IMITZ: Yes. THE CI-IAIR1VI~N: I should think in the circumstances it should be granted unless someone wishes to speak against it. Does it tell meeting nights? Does it tell location? 1VIRj SCHMITZ: It does not tell location. After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests permission to retain a road side sign on the property of Elak located on the'south side of Main Road; Cutchogue, New York. The findings of the Board are that this is a charitable organization basically and that custom and precedent here and elsewhere permits this type of sign identifying this organization. Southold Town Board of Appeals January 19, 1967 The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the spirit of the ordinance will be observed. On motion by Mr.. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was RESOLV~I) that Marian Council Knights of Columbus, Cutchogue, New York, be granted permission to retain a road side sign on the property of ]Elak located on the south side of Main Road, Cutchogue, New York, as applied for. Permission granted subject to the following conditions: 1. The sign is granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs. 2. The sign shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon written application to the Board of Appeals. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GiIIispie, Mr.' Bergen, Mr: 'Grigonis. PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. I025 - 8:50 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon applica- tion of Theodore-Klos, Main Road, Peconic, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Subsection (b) for permission to retain a side wall sign. Location of property: south side Main Road, Peconic, New York, bounded north~by Main Road, east by M. Konarski, south and west by E. I-Iorton. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application ~or a special exception, legal' notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to' its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant. THE CHAIRMAN: Is anyone present who wishes to speak-for this application ? ~Therewas no response.) THE CHAIRMAN: What signs has he got there now? MR. BERGEN: The ones painted on the side of the building. TI-IE CHAIR1VI~N: YIe just wants the one on the front of the building and the side of the.building. Anyone wish to speak against this application2 (There was no response.) Southold Town Board of Appeals -15- January 19, 1967 After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests permission to retain a side wail sign on a building located on the south side of Main Road, l~ecmmi~ , New York. The Board grants the application as applied for with the understanding that the applica~t agrees to forego the u~e of a ground sign. The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice wili be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will not be perm~ently or substantially injured and the spirit of the ordinance will be observed. On. motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was RESOLV~ that Theodore I~Ios, 1VLain Road, l~econic, New York~ be granted permission to retain a side wail sign on lhe building located on the south side of Main Road, Peconic, New York, as applied for. l~ermission granted s~ubject to the following conditions: 1. The sign is granted subject to all subsequent changes in the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance as it appIies to signs. 2. The sign shall be granted for one year onLh, renewable annually upon written application to the Board of Appeals. Votes of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen~ Mr. Grigonis. i~UBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1026 - 9:00 1~. M~ (E. S. T.) Upon ~pplica- tion of St. Agnes R. C. Church, Front Street~ Greenport, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 300, Subsection I0, for permission to retain the folIowing off premises'road signs: 1) sign iocated on the north side North Road, Greenport, New York, bounded north by F. II. S~ Land Dev~iopment Corp. ~ east by Benson T. elsey, south by North Road; west by Benson Telsey - t~roperty of the VilLage of Greenport. 2) a sign iocated on the west side Main Road,~ Greer~port, New York, bounded north by Milton Renick et al., east by 1V~ain Road, south by AIbertson Lane, west~ by A. Corazzini- E. Delay. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, IegaI notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant. TIlE CIIAIR1VIAN: Is anyone present who wishes to speak in favor on this application ? Southold Town Board of Appeals -16- January 19, 1967 FATHER HAGGERTY: I have nothing to add to this myself. THE CHAIR1VL/kN: Did you appear five or six years ago? FATHER HAGGERTY: No, I wasn't here. THE CHAIR1VLiN: Do you have any idea how effective these signs are? FATHER HAGGERTY: I have no idea. THE CHAIR1VIAN: Do you actually have thousands, of visitors ? FATHER HAGGERTY: Yes. Many for the summer; many for a week or tWO. THE CHAIR1ViAN: We cannot grant permission to erect a sign without the owner's permission. You will have to get permission from the owners. MR. BERGEN: The one on the North Road is too close to the highway. THE CHAIRMAN: It should be moved five feet from the highway. MR. BERGEN: It was only three feet from the highway according to Howard's measurements. It should be moved. FATHER I-IAGGERTY: That is on the North Road? BERGEN: It is down now. I saw it the other night. THE CHAIRMAN: It should be put 33 feet from the center of the road and add about 5 feet to thai, making it 40 feet from the center of the road. You might consider revising the sign. If you do, we would like to see it go to 3 feet by 4 feet in area. We won't make this a condition of this decision. We have no authority to grant signs without permission of the owners. You will have to obtain letters of permission from the owners of the property. MR. BERGEN: We can't grant it without it. THE CHAIR1VIAN: We are stipulating that if you do redesign the sign that it be~ 3 feet by 4 feet. You will have to do this when the Zoning Ordinance is revised. We are only ~ranting permission for one year at the present. You must ask for permission 'to renew. We will have to postpone granting this application until you furnish letters from owners of both pieces of property. FATHER IikGGERTY: What are the possibilities of having a large sign with ail denominalions listed? Southold Town Board of Appeals -17- January 19, 1967 THE CHAIRMAN: We would ~ike that. MR. BERGEN: They have one at Mattituck. THE CI-IAIRMAN: It would be a good idea to have them consolidated. BERGEN: It would cut out a number of signs. FATHER HAGGERTY: I'll give this information about our signs to the pastor and I~iI discuss one Large sign with the Ministerial Group. THE CHAIRMAN: The Lutherans don't advertise on the North Road. MR. GRIGONIS: It seems to me there is one on the North Road. THE CHAIR1VLtN: How many churches are there in Greenport ? FATHER HAGGERTY: Five or six° On motion by Mr. GilIispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was RESOLVED that decision on the application of Si. Agnes R. C. Church, Front Street, Greenport, New York, for permission to retain two off premises road signs be postponed until 7:30 P.M. (E.S.T.) on A_priI 6, 1967. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GilIispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. , * * PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1027 - 9:10 P. M: (E. S. T.) Upon applica- tion of Mattituck-Merchants Assoc. , Love Lane & Pike 'Street., Mattituck; New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 300, Subsection I0, for permission to retain the following signs: I) one road sign south side County Highway 27, Mattit-uck; New York, bounded north by County Highway 27, east by CLara Reeve Sub, south by Martin Sidor, west by Westphalia Road; 2) one directional sign located on the storage tank at Mattituck Breakwater, Mattituck, New York, bounded, north by Breakwater, east by Mattituck Inlet, south by B. KapIan and others, west by Lu~hers Road; 3) a sign located on the south side Main Road, Laurel, New York, bounded north by Main Road, east by Frank Murphy, south by Old Main Road - Navfrocki, west by Shell Oil Co. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit atlesting to its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant. Southold Town Board of Appeals -15- January 19, I967 THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak for this application ? Mlq.~ LUTZ: t do. THE CttAIR1VL~N: In the legal notice three signs are mentioned, here only two. ~2~hat is the reason? Mit.' LUTZ: We have not been able 'to get the letter of permission yet. MR. DEFRIEST: They have promised by wor~ of mouth but we have not received a letter from them. This is the one on the Main Road. THE CHAIR1VIAN: I think you have the wrong size for the sign on the Main Road. I think-you have the dimensions wrong. We will approve 'it the way it was, We c~rtainIy agree with the Breakwater directional sign on the storage tank. It is necessary. Does anyone wish to speak against this application? (There was no response.) After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appel/ant requests permission to retain two road signs 1) south side COunty Highway 27, Matt/tuck, New York, and 2) on the storage tank at Matt/tuck Breakwater, Matt/tuck, New York. qF!~he Boa.rd agrees with the application and the reasoning of the applicant that it is necessary to inform the travelling public. The Board finds thai the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will nol be permanentiy or substantially injured and the spirit of the ordinance-will be observed. On motion by Mr. Grigonis, secondedby Mr. Bergen, it was RESOLVED thai Matt/tuck Merchants Assoc., Love Lane & Pike Street, Matt/tuck, New York, be granted permisskon to retain t~wo road signs, to wit, 1) on the south side of County Highway 27, Mattituck~ New York, and 2) on the storage tank at Matt/tuck Brea~ater, ~Mattituck, New York, as applied for. Permission granted subject to the following conditions: 1. The signs are granted subject to ali subsequent changes in the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs. 2. The signs shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon written application to the Board of Appeals. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GilIispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. * * * Southotd Town Board of Appeals -19- January 19, 1967 PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1028 - 9:15 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon application of Frohnhoefzer Electric Co., Inc. Main Road, SouthoId, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Sub- section (a) for permission to retain more than one ground sign with insufficient setback. Location of property: south side Main Street, Southotd, New York, bounded north by Main Road, east by Socony-Vacuum-Purcell, south by Charles Turner, west by D. A. Rotham. The Chairman opened the- hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit at-testing io its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant. THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes To speak in favor of this application? WILBUR PETTY: I represent Mr. Frohnhoefer. THE CI-IAIR1VLiN: You understand the purpose of the public hearing. Certain signs are permitted; certain are not. Only one ground sign is permitted. You have two signs on one piece of property. Yuu can see what would happen if prolification of signs were permitted. One businessman could have as many as he wanted on his property. MR.'~, PETTY: One sign is on the entrance to the building and the other is on the entrance to the property area. They are nice signs. TI-IE CHAIR1VIiN: We are not taling about the looks; we are talking about the number of signs. One directs people to a parking lot. What doe~ it say? MR. Pt~TTY: Frohnhoefer parking lot in rear. TI-IE CI-IAIRMAN: The other is double facing. Isn't it? 1VIRj PETTY: I think it is one side~. THE :CI-IAtRMAN: Where you are furnishing a parking lot in the rear there is some-justification for that sign. I don~t know how the Board feels about hawing "Frohnhoefer" on it. MR.- PETTY: I-Ie wants people to know we have parking and that is an entrance. Now, they cannot come out of there. He has spent a lot of money so they won'i come out on the Main Road. THE CI-IAIR1VIAN;;Would he suffer any if it said just "parking"? Southold Town Board of Appeals -20- January 19, 1967 MR. PETTY: Pie wants the public to know he has this area for them for parking. He has acquired this property and put on black top and planted shrubbery just to make a parking lot for those people. I think he should have his name on it because it cost him plenty. THE CHAIRMAN: Would it be possible to combine the two signs ? MRS' PETTY: I suppose you could paint in on the large one. THE CHAIRMAN: Does he also have his name on the building? MR. PETTY: Yes, over the windows. THE CHAIRMAN: He is not on a corner, is he? MR. PETTY: No. THE CHAIRMAN: You have two signs on a small piece of property. Both small and attractive signs, small colonial. In fact one hangs on a pole. Is that a lighting pole. MR. PETTY: Yes, that is a standard for a light. Thai is about two feet over the sidewalk. The other is connected to a steel stanchion. THE CHAIRMAN: This stanchion itself is located too close to the property line. It would seem to me thai in view of the fact that you are fioodiigh~ting it you are furnishing a service in so far as lighting is concerned. Maybe we should authorize this at least for this year. Does anyone wish to speak against it? After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the applicant requests permissionto retain more than one ground sign With insufficient setback on property located on the south side of Main Street, Southold, I~ew York. The Board is in favor of granting these signs as applied for and agrees with the reasoning of the applicant and notes that the applicant has furnished off-street parking in the rear of the building and needs the sign which is attached to the light stanchion to indicate where this parking area .is as well as the small sign in front of the building in the front yard area in order to identify the business and also due to the fact that the said setback of this building is considerably in excess of the adjoining building to the west. The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the spirit of the ordinance will be observed. On motion by Mr. GiIlispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was SouthoId Town Board of Appeals -21- January I9, 1967 RESOLVED that Frohnhoefer Electric Co. ~ Inc. , Main Road, SouthoId, New York, be granted permission to retain more than one ground sign with insufficient setback on property located on the south side of Main Street, Southold, New York, as applied for. Permission granted subject to the following conditions: 1. The signs are granted subject to ali subsequent changes in the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs. 2. The signs shaII be granted for one year only, renewable annuaIly upon written application to the Board of Appeals. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. iOUBLIC tIF_~RING: Appeal No. 1029 - 9:20 t~. M. (E. S. T. ) Upon. application of Steve J. Doroski, Middle Road, Southold, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Subsection (b), for per~rh~sion to retain side wail signs. Location of property: south side Middle Road, SouthoId, New York, bounded north by Middle Road, east by Bowery Lane, south by Railroad, west by Gerald Case. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant. TI-IE CHAIR1VLA_N: Is anyone present who wishes to speak in favor of this application ? (There was no response.) I)oes anyone wish to speak against it? (There was no response.) After investigation and inspection the Board finds thai .the applicant requests permission to retain side wall signs on property located on the' south side of Mi~ldIe Road, Southold, New York. The Board grants the application as applied for except for the sign on the east side of the vegetable stand which is presently hidden from view by a building constructed to the east of this sign. The Board finds that the public .convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the Iegalty established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substnatially injured~and the spirit of the ordinance will be observed. On motion by Mr. GilIispis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was SouthoId Town Board of Appeals -22- January t9, 1967 RESOLVI~/) that Steve J. Doroski, Middle Road, Southold, New York, be granted permission to retain side wall signs located on building on the south side of Middle Road, Southold, New York, as applied for. Permission granted subject to the following conditions. I. The right to a~ standing ground sign is w~igh~d both~at the vegetable stand and at the packing house. 2. The signs are granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the SouthoId Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs. 3. The signs shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon written application to the Board of Appeals. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. $- * * * PUBLIC tIEARING: Appeal No. 1030 - 9:30 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon application of Ernest G. Radford, Main Road (Rt. 25), East Marion, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Sub- section (a), for permission to retain two ground signs on premises with insufficient setback and one with insufficient height from ground level. Location of property: south side Main Road (Rt. 25), East Marion, New York, bounded north by A~Iain Road, east by %V. W. Washburn-Gardner, south by Lake, west by ]Brooks-Brown. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing~ affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant. THE CtIAIRAIAN: Is anyone present who wishes to speak in favor of this application ?. (There was no response.) Does anyone wish to speak against it ? (There was no response.) After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the applicant requests permission to retain two ground signs on premises with insufficient setback and one with insufficient height from ground level located on premises on the south side of 1Viain Road, East Marion, New York. The Board grantsthe application as applied for as the Board is in full agreement with the reasoning of the applicant. The Board approves the continuance of two ground signs and points out that the applicant must waive his right to a wall sign and denys permission for the continued existence of the hanging sign. Southold Town Board of Appeals -23- January 19, 1967 The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the spirit of the ordinance will be observed. On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis~ it was RESOLVED that Ernest G. Radford, Main Road, East Marion, New York, be granted permission to retaintwo ground signs on premises with insufficient setback and one with insufficient height from ground level located on the south side of Main Road, East Marion, New York, as applied for. Permission granted subject to the following conditions: 1. The applicant waives ali right to a wail sign. 2. Applicant removes hanging sign. 3. The signs are granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance .as it applies to signs. - 4. The signs shall be granted for one year onIy~ renewable annually upon written application to the Board of Appeals. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GilLispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. PUBLIC PIEA3tING: Appeal No. 1031 - 9:35 P.M. (F.. S.T.) Upon applica- tion of Ernest G, Radford Agency,. Main Road, (Rt. 25), East Marion, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 300~ SubseCtion 10, for permission to retain the following off premises signs: 1) a sign on the property of Armaroy, Inc., located on the north side Main Road, East Marion, New York, bounded north by Long Island Sound, east by A. Birten, south by Main Road, west by S. Rutkowski; 2) a sign on the property of Lester & Toner, located on the south side Main Road, Greenport, New York, bounded north by Main Road, east by R. L. Davids, south by Vernon Vail, west by Main Street; 3) a sign on the property of A.. Siraussner, located on the north side Main Road, Greenport, New York~ bounded north by J. Brandi, east by A. Straussner, south by Main Road, west by Kszyminski. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant. THE-GI~kIR1VIAI~: Anyone here wish to speak for this a~.~i~cation? (There was no response.) Southoid Town Board of Appeals -24- January 19, 1967 THE CPIAIRAIiN: Anyone wish to speak against this application? (There was no response.) TI-IE CHAIRMAN: I would like to speak against it. MR. BERGEN: We have not granted any signs for off premises advertising like that and we Cannot do it now. After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the applicant request permission to retain three off premises advertising .signs. The findings of the Board is that ail three of these signs are non-conforming and are in fact advertising the business of the.appiic_ant in residential areas except for one in a business area. The ordinance does not provide for off premises signs such as are described in this application. Considerable advertising is permitted to the real estate fraternity- on their business premises. The application is denied. The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will not be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use district will be permanently~ or substantially injured and the spirit of the ordinance will not be observed. On motion by Mr. GiiIispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was RESOLVBID that Ernest G. Radford Agency, Main Road, East Marioj~ New York, be denied permission to retain the following off premises signs: 1) A sign on the property of Armaroy, Inc. located on the north side of Main Road, East 1Vfrion, New York; 2) A sign on the property .of Lester & Toner located on the south side Main Road, Greenport, New York; and 3) A sign on the property of A. Straussner located on the north side of Main Road~ Greenport, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis. PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1032 - 9:45 P.M. (E. S, T.) Upon application of Frank Murphy, Main Road, Mattituck, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinaneej, Article III, Section 300, Subsection 8, for permission to retain an on premises ground sign withI insufficient setback and height from ground level. Location of property: south side Main Road, Mattituck New York, bounded north by Main Road, east by Old Road, south by Old Road, west by F. & E. Murphy. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special execption, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting %o its'publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant. Southold Town Board of Appeals -25- Januar~ 19, 1967 TI-IE CI-IAII{1VLiN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in favor of this application ? FRANK 1VIYJRPHY: [[ust for the reasons stated. This sign has been up since the store was put up eleven years ago. I feel it is necessary because of the shrubbery and storage area I can't bring it back any further. I would like to leave it there. THE CI4~IRA4AN: It is hard for us to figure out Where the street line is. MR.~BERGEN: You are over the line according to Howard. MR.' MURPHY: On the Main Road I~m on the inside. On the Old Road I don~t know where I am on that. That is not a street marker; that is a right of way marker. That monument was su~pposed to be in the middle of - that has nothing to do with where the road intersects. That is not a corner of my property. Those markers are every .five or six hundred feet along the highway to show the road right of way. They run parallel with the road. THE CHAIRMAN: Where do you think your sign is ? MR. 1VIIIRPHY: It is on my property. There is an unknown .owner on the point. It is a very rsmaII thing. I thing the old~ Main Road is on the unknown owners property. This is old TuthilI property. The sign is on my property. TPIE CH~ktR1ViAAI: It is facing east on two posts, a two faced sign. MR. MURPHY: I think it is'about 2 or 3 feet from the property tine. I~m not quite sure. TI-IE CI-IAIRtVI~N: Will you send us a copy of the survey. 'We .will reserve decision until we have a copy of this survey. You don~t want to move it back because you have shrubs planted there. MR. BERGEN: MI{j" 1ViURPHY: I'm agreeable to that. can move it. What would be the trouble with moving it back? There area couple of trees, but we could move it back. I'll mark on the survey map where it is and where we THE CI{AIR1V[AN:. We will reserve decision until the next meeting. not necessary-for you to come down again. It is Southold Town Board of Appeals -26- January 19~ 1967 PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1033 - 9:50 P.M. (E.S.T.) Upon application of The Sun Oil Company, Oceanside, New York,- a/c Sunoco Service Station, West Front Street, Greenport, New York for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Subsection (a)'for permission to retain a pole sign with insufficient setback from property line. Location of property: north side Route 25, Greenport~ New York, bounded north by Village Property, east by Frank Townsend, South by Main Road. (Rt..25), west by Clifford Benjamin. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper and notice to the applicant. THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak for this application ? (There was no response.) Anyone who wishes to speak against ? (Ther.e was no response.) After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the applicant requests permission to retain a pole sign with insufficient setback from property line located on the north side of Route 25, Greenport, New Yorl~. The Board grants the application as applied for and agrees with the reasoning of this app'~ication. The findings of the board are that the Sun Oil Company sign standard is' back from the line of the highway about 3 feet; that the pole erected to display this sign is approximately 4 feet from the edge of the highway. It is the opinion of the Board that to move this sign back from the highway would further complicate traffic going in and out of The service station and would not be in the interest of safety. The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally esia~lished or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use district willie permanently or substantially injured and the spirit of the ordinance will be observed. On motion of Mr. GiIIispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was RESOLVED that The Sun Oil Company, Oceanside, New York, a/c Sunoco Service Station, West Front Street, Greenport, New York, be granied permission to retain a pole sign with insufficient setback from property line ,located on premises on north side of Route 25, Greenport, New York, as applied for. Permission granted subject to the following conditions: Southold Town Board of Appeals -27- Jamuary 19, 1967 1. The sign is granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the SouthoId Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs. 2. The sign shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon written application to the Board of Appeals. Vote of Board: Ayes: Mr. GiIlispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr, Grigonis. DISCUSSION: On Appeal No..l~l~ - 10:00 1~. M. (E. S. T. ) - Newton Robbins d/b/a Captain Jim's Rowboat Station, Third Street, New Suffolk, New York, appeared for discussion with Board on Board's denial of permission to retain sign located on corner of Third Street and Main Street, New SuffoLk, New York. MR. ROBBINS: When I was called here before it was because it was too close and I explained things and you seemed to agree and if you put it in writing it would be affirmed. TI4E CH_AIRMAN: When was this ? MR. ROBBINS: I guess it was in December? MR. GRIGONIS: It was January. MR. ROBBINS: Anyway, you told me to send it in and I did, a Ietter. THE CHAIRMAN: What was the Board's objection? MR. ROBBINS: Because it was too close and I seemed to think it would be ail right from what you said. I sent the letter in and.when it came back there was another excuse because it was a traffic hazard which is ai1 wet in my estimation. TI-IE CILtlRIVLKN: I believe we gave you 60 days. MR. ROBBINS: No, that was another sign. It had nothing to do with this. This is an on premises sign on my property on Third and Main. MR. BERGEN: It is very hazardou.s to the traffic coming from the East. THE CHAIR~N: It is on the northeast corner of the street. It is a traffic hazard.- MR~ ROBBINS: No Sir, there is a stop sign right there and if those trees were in bloom you wouldn't even see the sign. Southold Town Board of Appeals -28- January 19, 1967 THE CPIAIR1VLiN: I think the question involved here is safety. MR." ROBBIAYS: Yes Sir, I appreciate the-safety part. THE CHAII{1VLiAI: There is a provision in the Ordinance that from a point of 20 feet of two intersecting streets there wilt be no obstructions. I~m sure that is what it is. Section 1006, pne of the general provisions of the Ordinance states: "No wall, fence, or other structure and no hedge, tree, shrub or other growlh shall be erected, altered or maintained on any corner lot at any point within twenty (20) feet from the intersection of the street lines, which may cause dan-ger to traffic on a street by obscuring the view." As far as we are concerned, we would not be willing to grant any variance or special exception in this case on a sign which involved obscuring an intersection. In other words, the feeling of the Board is that safety in this situation is more important than the visibility of the sign. MR. ROBBINS: I agree that safety is important but I do not agree that it obscures the vision there. Any bush or tree can obscure vision. THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, but in this case you are maintaining a structure within 20-feet of the intersection. Mit. ROBBINS: That is just 20 feet not 9 feet or 10 feet. THE CHAIR1VIxkAt: The property line would be very cIose to your sign, wouldn't it ? Your sign is within a few feet of Third Street and a few feet of the other street. There is no question of it being within 20 feet. MR. ROBBIATS: Technically no, if you want to pick hairs. THE CHA~RtVLiN: We are not picking hairs. MR. ROBBINS: I-f I take that sign down I might a s well quit. THE CHAIRMAN: Thai may well be, but no Board would permit a sign to obscur-e vision. MR. ROBBINS: Did you check West? THE CHAIR1VLiN: We went on both sides of the street from the inter- section. We backed down Third Street and turned around. It does obscure vision. For that reason we have to deny the sign on this location. We would permit your locating closer to the line than 5 feet but it must be more than 20 feet from Third Street. SouthoId Town Board of Appeals January 19~ 1967 MR.-,, ROBBINS: That would bring it up to the middle of my lawn which people would not see when the trees are in bloom. There is a tow_a tree which obscures the view as well as a small tree on my property. MR. BERGEN: If you moved that sign 20 feet back on your property up Third Street, wouldn~t it be ail right there? MR. ROBBINS: No Sir. If you are going into New ~ffolk the way my customers do from the city, going south on Main Street, thee block in front of my house before you get in front of my house is the school bali park. There is a fence around there, a wire fence and a hedge that goes right down to the end of that block to that street. My customers complain that they can hardly see the sign where it is. My station is at the end of Third Street. THE CHAIRMAN: It blocks visibility. We noticed it. We checked it. MR. ROBBINS: i(tndicating survey map) If I move the sign back, well, it won't be a sign anymore. No use to it. THE CI-IAIRMAiN: Do the cherry trees overhang your property? Why don~t you cut the branches off. MR.' ROBBINS: ~Fhey are IoveIy trees. I want to leave them be. THE CHAIRA42kN: Is the sign two faced? MR. ROBBINS: No, not at ail. (Board and applicant studied survey sketch for possible location of the sign.) MR. ROBBINS: I cannot see the idea of an obstruction. ~ks I say, I have tested it myself and this is far enough back frQm the road. The road is way out here. TechnicaIIy, if you want to say, the road is 60 feet wide - - MR--BERGEN: 50 feet. MR. ROBBINS: Right, 50 feet that would bring it into the sidewalk, up to my fence, but .actualIy the tarred or paved part is 20 feet or 25 feet wide. That is what the traffic is on. THE CHAIRiVIAN: We understand ali that but if you stop at a stop sign you stop before the sign. I agree you can inch'past the sign. This is ali irrelevant. The sign is impossibly located as far as visibility is concerned and that is ali we are interested in. SouthoId Town Board, of Appeals -30- January 19, 1967 MRj ROB]BINS: I don~t know what I can do about TYIE CHAIRM~N: The Board would go along with relocating the sign 21 feet from the corner. MR. ROBBINS: That does me no good there. THE CHAIRMAN: Who owns this property ? MR. RO]BBINS: Ekster. TI-IE CHAIRMAN: Would he permit a sign here? Since you are advertising an. off premises business, it would not matter whether the sign was off your premises or not. Your type of business-is regarded as for the public interest. We consider this type of business as requiring special treat- ment, so we would feel justified to allow you to put a sign over here if you can get the permission from the owner. MR.' ROBBINS: He has cottages on the corner and the sign could not be back over 20 feet or it would be right on his cottage. THE CHAIRMAN: I-Iow about the southeast corner2 MR. ROBBINS: He doesn't want it over there. THE CI-IAIRMAN: I-Iow about a location coming into town? I think the ]Board would go along with-an off premises directional sign. Most of the traffick comes from Mattituck. Catch them up here somewhere with a directional sign. MR. ROBBINS: But as it stands now, it is out. Right? THE CHAIRtV~kN: Yes. MR['. ROBBINS: If you would investigate in the Spring, you would see the trees a~e there. Now the foliage is gone and the sign stands out. TI-IE CYI~IR~N: See if you can find a location in the West. Meantime we will postpone it another '30 or 60 days. MR. ROBBINS: I~II see what I can do. , * · On motion of Mr. GiIIispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was Sou/hold Town Board of Appeals -31- January 19, 1967 RESOLVtID thai Appeal No. 993 of William Beebe, Cutchogue, New York, be reheard on February 2, 1967, at 7:30 !P.~i. E.S.T. . * The rneeling was adjourned at 11:00 P. ~. RespeclfulIy subrnilt ed, ~Viargarel A. Young, Secretary pro tern Southold Town Board of Appeals