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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
January 19, 1967
A regular meeting of the Southoid ToWn Board of Appeals was held at
7:30 P.M., Thursday, January I9, 1967, at the Tovfn Office, Main'Road,
SouthoId, New York.
There were present: Messrs: Robert 'W. GiIIispie, Jr., Chairman,
Robert Bergen and Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Absent: Messrs. Fred Hulse, Jr. and Serge Doyen, Jr.
PUBLIC :HEARING: Appeal No. 1017 - 7:30 P.M. (E.'S. T.), Upon
application of Robert Auld, Mill Creek Drive and Meadow Lane, Southold, New
York, for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III,
Section 306, for permission to reduce f~ont setback on aside street. Loeation
of property: southeast corner of M_iii Creek Drive and Meadow Lane, Southold,
New York, bounded north by Mill Creek Drive, east by I). PurcelI, south by
Mill Creek~ west by Meadow Lane. Fee paid $5.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the applieation for a variance,
legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official news-
paper, and notice to the applicant.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in favor
o£ this applicaiion ?
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WILLIAM SMITH: Speaking for it.
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Everything has been said. I can't
THE CHAIRMAN: You can't even begin to describe how odd shaped this
lot is. I can't-even begin to describe it. What is this Meadow Lane?
MR. SMITH: That goes to the water.
THE CHAIR1VLtN: This is one at Mill Colony. The reIocation would be
15 feet from a~dead end road, Meadow Lane, which ends at the town creek.
Right ?
MR. SMITH: Right.
THE CHAIRMAN: It is proposed to buiid another house?
MR. SMITH: We would build a new house on the balance of the land.
THE CHAIRMAN: You must separate the lots. You cannot build two
houses on one-lot.
MR. SMITH: I did that with a map. Howard has it.
THE CHAIRIMAN: Is it in here?
MR. SMITH: Yes.
THE CHAIRMAN: It wiII be necessary for you to come back when you
want to build a house on it.
Is there anyone present who wishes to speak against this application?
After investigation and inspection the Board find that the appeIIant
requests permission to reduce the front setback of a dweIting Iocated on Meadow
Lane, SouthoId, New York, from 35 feet to 15 feet. The Board notes that the
lot upon which the dwelIing is located is unusuaIIy odd shaped.
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance will produce
practical difficuIties or unnecessary hardship; the hardship created is unique
and would not be shared by ali properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this
property and in the same use district; and the variance does observe the spirit
of the ordinance and wiIl not change the character of the district.
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'On motion by Mr. GilIispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it-was
RESOLVED that William B. Smith a/c Robert Auld, SouthoId, New York,
be granted permission to reduce the setback of the dwelling on Meadow Lane
from 35 feet to 15 feet.
Vote of the Board: Unanimously in favor.
'PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1018 - 7:40 P.M. ~E. S. T.),'Upon :applica-
tion (Sf Edward Abitz, Mattituck, New York, a/c J. Richard Holmes, M/II Road,
Mattituck, New York~ for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,'
Article IV, Section 404, for permission to replace a non-conforming accessory '
building. Location of property: south side Mill Road, Mattituck~ New York, ..
bounded north by Mill Road, east by Mill Road - Mattituck Creek, south by Matti~-
tuck Holding Co., west by Mattituck Holding Co. Fee paid $5.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the applicationfofDr a variance,
legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official news-
paper and notice to the applicant.
The Chairman briefly explained the nature of the application.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in favor
of this application ?
~There was no response.)
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present to speak against this applica-
tion ?
~There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant
requests permission to replace an existing non-conforming.building with a new
building. The proposed use of the building is for housing help. The first floor
will be for storage in connection with the restaurant. The second floor for
sleeping quarters for help to be used during the season of the restaurant.
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance would produce
practical difficulties and unnecessary hardship; the hardship created is unique
and would not be shared by ail properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this
property and in the same nse~district and the permission granted herein does
observe the spirit of the Ordinance and wilt not change the character of the district.
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On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that Edward Abitz, Mat/truck, New York, a/c ~[. Richard
Holmes, Mill Road, Mattituck, l~ew York, be granted a variance for permission
to replace a non-conforming accessory building with a new building to be erected
in the same location as the existing building.
Vote Of the Board: Ayes:-Mr. GiIiispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
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PUBLIC I-IEARING: AppeaI No. 1019 - 7:50 1~. M. ~(E. S. T. ), Upon
application of Ifoke Bros. Garage, Inc., Traveler Street, Southold, New York, for
a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section
408, Subsection ~(a) for permission to re!ain the following signs: 1) one on premises
ground sign with insufficient setback. Loeaiion of property: southwest corner of
Traveler Street and Youngs Avenue, SouthoId, New York, bounded north by Traveler
Street, east by Youngs Avenue, south by LeicttzTerp, west by II. F; Prince. 2) one
off premises road side sign, located on the Property of the applicant on the north
side of Main Road; SouthoId~ New York, bounded north by Long Island Railroad,
east by LiebIein Bros., south by Main Road, west by Lieblein Bros. Fee paid
$5.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the
official newspaper, and notice to the applicant.
TIItC. CI-IAIRMAAI: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in favor
of the application ?
~There was no response)
TIlE CIIAIR1VIAN: It states in the application that the sign on the corner
of your lot is 5 feet from the street. Is that correct?
MR.: KOtfE: It is about 2 or 3 feet from the property line. -When Van TuyI
surveyed it 'there was about a foot of the sidewalk on our property.
THE CPIAIRMAN: How is that sign set in. Is it in concrete ?
MR." KOKE: Five inch pipe.
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THE CI-IAIR1VIAN: It is a tight situation on that corner but the sign does
not block~vision. I would be in favor of leaving that sign where it is but the other
sign would have to go.
MR. KOKE: I~m all for the sign we have at LiebIeins but I would take it
down if we had to when ail the other signs go down.
TI-IE CHAIR1VIAN: I don~t know. There is no way to know when ail the
signs will come down. They have been served with notices.
MR. KOKE: I was hoping that you could grant us them.
THE CIIAIR1VL~N: I know there is,no fair way of doing it.
MR. KOKE: We donXt want to take our signs down when ail the other signs
are still up.
THE CYIB, IRiMAN: We understand that. The enforcement was postponed for
a while bylhe~Town Board. They have now decided to act. The Building Inspector
has issued violations - 1000 or 1500 should be issued but they cannot be issued
simultaneously, lie is going fromone end of the town to the other. We are taking
them as they come. But We can't extend the time.
MR.' KOKE: But some of those signs may be up for ten years.
MR. GRIGOlk]IS: They wonXt be up for ten years.
~f~I~ CHAIRB/LAiY: I don't know how long it will take but more and more
are doin~ it. There is a difference now. I have gone around and I do finally see
some difference. We are getting some compliance now. But we are not
authorized to make an exception in your case.
Is there anyone present who wishes to speak against this application?
~There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds-that the appellant requests
permission to retain an on premises ground sign with insufficient setback and an
off premises roadside sign. The Bm rd finds that the on premises sign located
on the northeast corner of the Koke Bros. Garage is not a traffic hazard.
As to the sign on the premises of Koke Bros. Garage the Board finds that
the public convenience and welfare and justice will be served and the legally
established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts
will not be permanently or substantially ~jured and the spirit of the Ordinance will
be observed.
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As-to the off premises sign on the north side of Main Road opposite the
Port of Egypt the Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice
will not be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood
property and adjoining use districts wilI be permanently or substantially injured
and the spirit of the Ordinance will not be observed.
On motion by Mr. GilLispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, that I~oke Bros. Garage, Inc., Traveler Street, Southold,
New York, be granted permission to retain an ~mu premises sign located in the
northeast corner of the Koke Bros. Garage property on Traveler Street and
denied permission to retain the off premises sign on the north side of the Main
Road opposite the Port of Egypt Which is an off premises directional sign. The
permission herein is granted subject to the following conditions:
'1. This sign shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
2. This sign shall be subject to ali subsequent changes in the Southold
Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs..
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GilIispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1020 - 8:00 P.M. ~-E. S. T.), Upon applica-
tion of Reeve Lumber and Woodworking Co., Main Road, Mattituck, New York,
for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV,
Section 408,- Subsection {b), for permission to retain a side wail sign. Location
of property: south side Main Road, Mattituck, New York, bounded north by Main
Road, east by Mattituck Library, south by H. R. Reeve, west by Arena GIover.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the
official newspaper, and notice to the applica,ht.
THE CILiIRtVLiN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak for this
application ?
As I recall there are three businesses.
I-I~ROLD t~. REEVE: Two businesses. Reeve Lumber and Woodworking
and Harold R. Reeve & Son which is the contracting end.
MR, BERGEN: You took ail the signs off the fence, Se~eraI signs on the
fence they took down.
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MR.' REEVE: We never have had any signs in the Town of Riverhead lead-
ing into us. We donzi believe in it. The one on the west side is the only one we
have.
THE CI-IAIRMAN: Ail the rest are conforming.
MR. REEVE: It is not important now bmr someday if Mrs. G~ver~s
goes, it will stand out and you can see it.
house
THE CHAIRMAN: Would you say this is the only sign Harold R. Reeve &
Sons has. That is the building contracting end of it.
MR. REEVE: Yes.
THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone wish to speak against this application?
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests
permission To retain a side wail sign. The findings of the Board are that the
appellant has two separate businesses and the sign applied for is the onIy sign
publicly displayed by the Harold t~. Reeve & Son division of the business which
concerns itself with contracting. Accordingly, we believe that granting this
application w~tl now make ail the signs presently on the property entirely Iegal.
The Board fin~s that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be
served and the legally'established or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the spirit
of the ordinance will be observed.
On motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Gillispie, it was
RESOLVED that Reeve Lumber and Woodworking Co. , Main Road, Mattituck,
New York be granted permission to retain a side wall sign on a building located on
the south side of Main Road, Mattituck, New York, as applied for. This permission
is granted subject to the following conditions.
1. The sign is granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the SouthoId
Tow~a Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs.
2. The sign shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: -Mr. GitIispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
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PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1021 - 8:10 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon application
of Long Island Cauliflower Assoc., Marcy Avenue, Riverhead, New York, for a
special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section
408, Subsection (b), for permission to retain a side wall sign.. Location of
property: north side Middle Road, Southold, New York, bounded north by M
Dickerson, east by Youngs Avenue, south by Middle Road, west by Long Island
Cauliflower Assoc.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the
official newspaper and notice to the applicant.
TI4E CI-IAIRAIAN: I)oes anyone wish to speak in favor of this application?
(There was no response.)
TI-IE CIIAIRMAN: The sign on the west wall must be removed or approved
by the Board of Appeals.
Does anyone wish to speak against this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests
permission to retain a side wail sign. The Board grants the permission as applied
for and agrees with the reasoning of the application. This is a means of identifying
a public auction which is used by most of the farmers in the area. It is a necessary
sign.
The Board~finds thai the public convenience and welfare and justice will be
served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining us districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the
spirit of the ordinance will be observed.
On motion~by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
~ RESOLVED that Long Island Cauliflower Assoc., Marcy Avenue, Riverhead,
New York~ be granted permission to retain a side wail sign ona building located
on the north side of Middle Road, Southold, New York, as applied for. This
permission is granted subject to the following conditions.
1. The sign is granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the SouthoId
Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs.
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2. The sign shaiI be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen~ Mr. Grigonis.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1022 - 8:20 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon applica-
tion of Long Islsad CauIiflower Dist., Inc., Main Road, Orient, New York, for
a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section
408. Subsection (b) and (c) for permission to retain more than one wail or roof
sigma. Location of property: south side Main Road, Orient, New York, bounded
north by Main Road, east by Carl Sabine, south by John I)roskoski Est., west by
John Droskoski ]Est.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the
official newspaper and noti~ce to the applicant.
THE CHAIR~N: Does anyone wish to speak in favor of this application?
CARL DENI-IOLTZ: I am the Sales Manager of Long Island Cauliflower
Distributors. We -wish to speak for it. I was wondering if we could talk about
the SouthoId and Orient at the same time.
THE CHAIR1VIAN: No. The Southold sign is the next hearing. I can agree
from personal experience that there is plenty of traffic down there especially at
the.height of the season. Both farm trucks and trailers are there and these signs
are needed for ~he reasons stated by the applicant. Actually, what we usually do
in granting signs on the side of a building, we ask the applicant to forego putting
a ground sign down.
MR. GAGEN: A ground sign would be useless.
THE CHAIRMAN: The Agway sign - this is a separate business. The
usual procedure of the Board has been where there are two or more businesses
conducted on the same premises each business may advertise itself. That can
be pn one sign or separate signs. I think the applical[on is entirely in order
unless someone wishes to speak against it.
(There was no response,)
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After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant
requests permission to retain more than one wail or roof sign. The Board
grants the permission as applied for and agrees with the reasoning of the applica-
tion.
The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be
served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the
spirit of the ordinance will be observed.
On motion by iYIr. GilIispie, seonnded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED that Long Island Cauliflower Distributors~ Inc. · Main Road~
Orient, New York, be granted permission to retain more than one wall or roof
sign on a building located on the south side of Main Road, Orient, New York,
as applied for. This permission is granted subject to the following conditions.
I. The signs are granted subject to all subsequent changes in the Southold
Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs.
2. The signs shall be granted for one year only· renewable annually upon
written apphcation to the Board of Appeals.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
PUBLIC HF~ARING: - Appeal No. 1023 - 8:30 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon applica-
tion of Long Island Caulifiower Dist. ~gc. , YIorton Lane, Southold, New York, for
a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section
408, Subsection (C), for permission to retain roof edge sign. Location of
property: west side I-Iorton Lane, Southold, New York, bounded north by W. & J.
Conway, east by I-Iorton Lane, south by Sarah Guest-Rakowicz, west by Henry
Jermings.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, tegat notice of hearing, afffda¥it attesting to its publication in
official newspaper and notice to the applicant.
TI-IE CHAIR1VIAN: Does anyone wish to speak in favor of this application?
JA]VIES GAGEN: I think it is important to have the sign where it is. On
the front of the building it wouId be of no use to us especially when the trucks
~ome at night. The sign is 600 or 700 ~eet off Route 27 and not right on the
highway. It wouldn~t be visible at ail from the other side.
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TYIE CIt/tIR1VIAN: We have turned down this type of sign where it exists
for advertising purposes., but it seems necessary in this case. In fact it would
be possible to have it larger.
MR. GAGEN: It is sufficient.
TYIE CtLa~IR1ViAN: The traffic you are trying to direct is on a road on the
side of the building. It would do no good to have the sign on the front of the
building.
Does anyone wish to speak against this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests
permission to retain a roof edge sign on a building Iocated on the west side of
Horton Lane, Southold~ New York. The Board grants the permission as applied
for and agrees with the reasoning of the application that the traffic that is being
direeted is on Route 27 and not on Hortons Lane.
The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will
be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property
and adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantiaIiy injured and
the spirit of the ordinance will be observed.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that. Long IsLand Cauhfiower Distributors, Inc., I-Iorton Lane~
SouthoId, New York, be granted permision to retain a roof edge sign. on a
buiId[ng located on the west side of Horton Lane, Southold, 1 New York, as applied
for. Permission granted subject to-the following conditions:
I. The sign4s granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the Southold
Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs.
2. The sign shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GilIispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
PUBLIC !~F~kRING: Appeal No. 1024 - 8:40 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon applica-
tion of Marian Council Knights of Columbus, Cutchogue, New York~ for a special
exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 300, Sub-
section I0, for permission to retain an off premises road side sign on the property .
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of Magdalene ELak, located on the south side Main Road, Cutchogue, New York,
bounded north by main road~ east by S. L. Dickerson, south by New Suffolk
Avenue, west by Dist. Line.
The Chairman opened the hearing by r:eading the applkcation-for a special
exception, legal.notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the
official newspaper and notice lo the applicant. The Chairman noted that letter
from Magalene Elak, property owner, approving application was in the file.
THE CI-IA/R1VIAN; Does anyone wish to speak in favor of this application?
ARTI-IUR SCHMITZ: I am the Grand Knight of the Council. In reply to
the violation order, this sign is ~strictIy fo~ the purpose of informing the Knights
of Columbus who come to the town that there is a Knights of Columbus in the
town. It is not an advertising sign in any sense.
TI-IE CHAIR1VIAN: I did not realize that post was chai~itabIe.
MR. SCI-I1VIITZ: Charitable and fraternal.
THE CHAIR1VIAN: I don't know that we have had an application for a
fraternal- organization.
MI{.~ SCI-IMITZ: The Lions' is not too far.
THE CI-IAIR1VLiN: Is it your only sign?
MR. SCI-IMITZ: Yes.
THE CI-IAIR1VI~N: I should think in the circumstances it should be
granted unless someone wishes to speak against it.
Does it tell meeting nights? Does it tell location?
1VIRj SCHMITZ: It does not tell location.
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests
permission to retain a road side sign on the property of Elak located on the'south
side of Main Road; Cutchogue, New York. The findings of the Board are that this
is a charitable organization basically and that custom and precedent here and
elsewhere permits this type of sign identifying this organization.
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The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be
served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the
spirit of the ordinance will be observed.
On motion by Mr.. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLV~I) that Marian Council Knights of Columbus, Cutchogue, New
York, be granted permission to retain a road side sign on the property of ]Elak located
on the south side of Main Road, Cutchogue, New York, as applied for. Permission
granted subject to the following conditions:
1. The sign is granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the Southold
Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs.
2. The sign shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GiIIispie, Mr.' Bergen, Mr: 'Grigonis.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. I025 - 8:50 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon applica-
tion of Theodore-Klos, Main Road, Peconic, New York, for a special exception
in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Subsection (b)
for permission to retain a side wall sign. Location of property: south side Main
Road, Peconic, New York, bounded north~by Main Road, east by M. Konarski,
south and west by E. I-Iorton.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application ~or a special
exception, legal' notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to' its publication in the
official newspaper and notice to the applicant.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is anyone present who wishes to speak-for this
application ?
~Therewas no response.)
THE CHAIRMAN: What signs has he got there now?
MR. BERGEN: The ones painted on the side of the building.
TI-IE CHAIR1VI~N: YIe just wants the one on the front of the building and
the side of the.building. Anyone wish to speak against this application2
(There was no response.)
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After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appellant requests
permission to retain a side wail sign on a building located on the south side of Main
Road, l~ecmmi~ , New York. The Board grants the application as applied for with
the understanding that the applica~t agrees to forego the u~e of a ground sign.
The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice wili be
served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining use districts will not be perm~ently or substantially injured and the
spirit of the ordinance will be observed.
On. motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLV~ that Theodore I~Ios, 1VLain Road, l~econic, New York~ be
granted permission to retain a side wail sign on lhe building located on the south
side of Main Road, Peconic, New York, as applied for. l~ermission granted
s~ubject to the following conditions:
1. The sign is granted subject to all subsequent changes in the Southold
Town Zoning Ordinance as it appIies to signs.
2. The sign shall be granted for one year onLh, renewable annually upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
Votes of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen~ Mr. Grigonis.
i~UBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1026 - 9:00 1~. M~ (E. S. T.) Upon ~pplica-
tion of St. Agnes R. C. Church, Front Street~ Greenport, New York, for a
special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 300,
Subsection I0, for permission to retain the folIowing off premises'road signs:
1) sign iocated on the north side North Road, Greenport, New York, bounded
north by F. II. S~ Land Dev~iopment Corp. ~ east by Benson T. elsey, south by
North Road; west by Benson Telsey - t~roperty of the VilLage of Greenport. 2)
a sign iocated on the west side Main Road,~ Greer~port, New York, bounded north
by Milton Renick et al., east by 1V~ain Road, south by AIbertson Lane, west~ by
A. Corazzini- E. Delay.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, IegaI notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the
official newspaper and notice to the applicant.
TIlE CIIAIR1VIAN: Is anyone present who wishes to speak in favor on this
application ?
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FATHER HAGGERTY: I have nothing to add to this myself.
THE CHAIR1VL/kN: Did you appear five or six years ago?
FATHER HAGGERTY: No, I wasn't here.
THE CHAIR1VLiN: Do you have any idea how effective these signs are?
FATHER HAGGERTY: I have no idea.
THE CHAIR1VIAN: Do you actually have thousands, of visitors ?
FATHER HAGGERTY: Yes. Many for the summer; many for a week or
tWO.
THE CHAIR1ViAN: We cannot grant permission to erect a sign without the
owner's permission. You will have to get permission from the owners.
MR. BERGEN: The one on the North Road is too close to the highway.
THE CHAIRMAN: It should be moved five feet from the highway.
MR. BERGEN: It was only three feet from the highway according to
Howard's measurements. It should be moved.
FATHER I-IAGGERTY: That is on the North Road?
BERGEN: It is down now. I saw it the other night.
THE CHAIRMAN: It should be put 33 feet from the center of the road and
add about 5 feet to thai, making it 40 feet from the center of the road. You might
consider revising the sign. If you do, we would like to see it go to 3 feet by 4
feet in area. We won't make this a condition of this decision. We have no
authority to grant signs without permission of the owners. You will have to
obtain letters of permission from the owners of the property.
MR. BERGEN: We can't grant it without it.
THE CHAIR1VIAN: We are stipulating that if you do redesign the sign
that it be~ 3 feet by 4 feet. You will have to do this when the Zoning Ordinance is
revised. We are only ~ranting permission for one year at the present. You must
ask for permission 'to renew. We will have to postpone granting this application
until you furnish letters from owners of both pieces of property.
FATHER IikGGERTY: What are the possibilities of having a large sign
with ail denominalions listed?
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THE CHAIRMAN: We would ~ike that.
MR. BERGEN: They have one at Mattituck.
THE CI-IAIRMAN: It would be a good idea to have them consolidated.
BERGEN: It would cut out a number of signs.
FATHER HAGGERTY: I'll give this information about our signs to the
pastor and I~iI discuss one Large sign with the Ministerial Group.
THE CHAIRMAN: The Lutherans don't advertise on the North Road.
MR. GRIGONIS: It seems to me there is one on the North Road.
THE CHAIR1VLtN: How many churches are there in Greenport ?
FATHER HAGGERTY: Five or six°
On motion by Mr. GilIispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that decision on the application of Si. Agnes R. C. Church,
Front Street, Greenport, New York, for permission to retain two off premises
road signs be postponed until 7:30 P.M. (E.S.T.) on A_priI 6, 1967.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GilIispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
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PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1027 - 9:10 P. M: (E. S. T.) Upon applica-
tion of Mattituck-Merchants Assoc. , Love Lane & Pike 'Street., Mattituck; New
York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article
III, Section 300, Subsection I0, for permission to retain the following signs: I)
one road sign south side County Highway 27, Mattit-uck; New York, bounded north
by County Highway 27, east by CLara Reeve Sub, south by Martin Sidor, west by
Westphalia Road; 2) one directional sign located on the storage tank at Mattituck
Breakwater, Mattituck, New York, bounded, north by Breakwater, east by
Mattituck Inlet, south by B. KapIan and others, west by Lu~hers Road; 3) a sign
located on the south side Main Road, Laurel, New York, bounded north by Main
Road, east by Frank Murphy, south by Old Main Road - Navfrocki, west by Shell
Oil Co.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit atlesting to its publication in the
official newspaper and notice to the applicant.
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THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak for this
application ?
Mlq.~ LUTZ: t do.
THE CttAIR1VL~N: In the legal notice three signs are mentioned, here only
two. ~2~hat is the reason?
Mit.' LUTZ: We have not been able 'to get the letter of permission yet.
MR. DEFRIEST: They have promised by wor~ of mouth but we have not
received a letter from them. This is the one on the Main Road.
THE CHAIR1VIAN: I think you have the wrong size for the sign on the Main
Road. I think-you have the dimensions wrong. We will approve 'it the way it was,
We c~rtainIy agree with the Breakwater directional sign on the storage tank. It
is necessary.
Does anyone wish to speak against this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the appel/ant requests
permission to retain two road signs 1) south side COunty Highway 27, Matt/tuck,
New York, and 2) on the storage tank at Matt/tuck Breakwater, Matt/tuck, New
York. qF!~he Boa.rd agrees with the application and the reasoning of the applicant
that it is necessary to inform the travelling public.
The Board finds thai the public convenience and welfare and justice will be
served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining use districts will nol be permanentiy or substantially injured and the
spirit of the ordinance-will be observed.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, secondedby Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED thai Matt/tuck Merchants Assoc., Love Lane & Pike Street,
Matt/tuck, New York, be granted permisskon to retain t~wo road signs, to wit,
1) on the south side of County Highway 27, Mattituck~ New York, and 2) on the
storage tank at Matt/tuck Brea~ater, ~Mattituck, New York, as applied for.
Permission granted subject to the following conditions:
1. The signs are granted subject to ali subsequent changes in the Southold
Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs.
2. The signs shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GilIispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
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PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1028 - 9:15 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon application
of Frohnhoefzer Electric Co., Inc. Main Road, SouthoId, New York, for a special
exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Sub-
section (a) for permission to retain more than one ground sign with insufficient
setback. Location of property: south side Main Street, Southotd, New York,
bounded north by Main Road, east by Socony-Vacuum-Purcell, south by Charles
Turner, west by D. A. Rotham.
The Chairman opened the- hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit at-testing io its publication in the
official newspaper and notice to the applicant.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes To speak in favor of
this application?
WILBUR PETTY: I represent Mr. Frohnhoefer.
THE CI-IAIR1VLiN: You understand the purpose of the public hearing.
Certain signs are permitted; certain are not. Only one ground sign is permitted.
You have two signs on one piece of property. Yuu can see what would happen if
prolification of signs were permitted. One businessman could have as many as
he wanted on his property.
MR.'~, PETTY: One sign is on the entrance to the building and the other is
on the entrance to the property area. They are nice signs.
TI-IE CHAIR1VIiN: We are not taling about the looks; we are talking about
the number of signs. One directs people to a parking lot. What doe~ it say?
MR. Pt~TTY: Frohnhoefer parking lot in rear.
TI-IE CI-IAIRMAN: The other is double facing. Isn't it?
1VIRj PETTY: I think it is one side~.
THE :CI-IAtRMAN: Where you are furnishing a parking lot in the rear
there is some-justification for that sign. I don~t know how the Board feels about
hawing "Frohnhoefer" on it.
MR.- PETTY: I-Ie wants people to know we have parking and that is an
entrance. Now, they cannot come out of there. He has spent a lot of money so
they won'i come out on the Main Road.
THE CI-IAIR1VIAN;;Would he suffer any if it said just "parking"?
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MR. PETTY: Pie wants the public to know he has this area for them for
parking. He has acquired this property and put on black top and planted shrubbery
just to make a parking lot for those people. I think he should have his name on it
because it cost him plenty.
THE CHAIRMAN: Would it be possible to combine the two signs ?
MRS' PETTY: I suppose you could paint in on the large one.
THE CHAIRMAN: Does he also have his name on the building?
MR. PETTY: Yes, over the windows.
THE CHAIRMAN: He is not on a corner, is he?
MR. PETTY: No.
THE CHAIRMAN: You have two signs on a small piece of property.
Both small and attractive signs, small colonial. In fact one hangs on a pole.
Is that a lighting pole.
MR. PETTY: Yes, that is a standard for a light. Thai is about two feet
over the sidewalk. The other is connected to a steel stanchion.
THE CHAIRMAN: This stanchion itself is located too close to the property
line. It would seem to me thai in view of the fact that you are fioodiigh~ting it you
are furnishing a service in so far as lighting is concerned. Maybe we should
authorize this at least for this year. Does anyone wish to speak against it?
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the applicant
requests permissionto retain more than one ground sign With insufficient setback
on property located on the south side of Main Street, Southold, I~ew York. The
Board is in favor of granting these signs as applied for and agrees with the
reasoning of the applicant and notes that the applicant has furnished off-street
parking in the rear of the building and needs the sign which is attached to the
light stanchion to indicate where this parking area .is as well as the small sign
in front of the building in the front yard area in order to identify the business and
also due to the fact that the said setback of this building is considerably in excess
of the adjoining building to the west.
The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be
served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the
spirit of the ordinance will be observed.
On motion by Mr. GiIlispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
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RESOLVED that Frohnhoefer Electric Co. ~ Inc. , Main Road, SouthoId,
New York, be granted permission to retain more than one ground sign with
insufficient setback on property located on the south side of Main Street, Southold,
New York, as applied for. Permission granted subject to the following conditions:
1. The signs are granted subject to ali subsequent changes in the Southold
Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs.
2. The signs shaII be granted for one year only, renewable annuaIly upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
iOUBLIC tIF_~RING: Appeal No. 1029 - 9:20 t~. M. (E. S. T. ) Upon. application
of Steve J. Doroski, Middle Road, Southold, New York, for a special exception in
accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Subsection (b), for
per~rh~sion to retain side wail signs. Location of property: south side Middle Road,
SouthoId, New York, bounded north by Middle Road, east by Bowery Lane, south by
Railroad, west by Gerald Case.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the
official newspaper and notice to the applicant.
TI-IE CHAIR1VLA_N: Is anyone present who wishes to speak in favor of this
application ?
(There was no response.)
I)oes anyone wish to speak against it?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds thai .the applicant requests
permission to retain side wall signs on property located on the' south side of Mi~ldIe
Road, Southold, New York. The Board grants the application as applied for except
for the sign on the east side of the vegetable stand which is presently hidden from
view by a building constructed to the east of this sign.
The Board finds that the public .convenience and welfare and justice will be
served and the Iegalty established or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substnatially injured~and the
spirit of the ordinance will be observed.
On motion by Mr. GilIispis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
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RESOLVI~/) that Steve J. Doroski, Middle Road, Southold, New York, be
granted permission to retain side wall signs located on building on the south side
of Middle Road, Southold, New York, as applied for. Permission granted subject
to the following conditions.
I. The right to a~ standing ground sign is w~igh~d both~at the vegetable stand
and at the packing house.
2. The signs are granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the SouthoId
Town Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs.
3. The signs shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
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PUBLIC tIEARING: Appeal No. 1030 - 9:30 P.M. (E. S. T.) Upon application
of Ernest G. Radford, Main Road (Rt. 25), East Marion, New York, for a special
exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Sub-
section (a), for permission to retain two ground signs on premises with insufficient
setback and one with insufficient height from ground level. Location of property:
south side Main Road (Rt. 25), East Marion, New York, bounded north by A~Iain Road,
east by %V. W. Washburn-Gardner, south by Lake, west by ]Brooks-Brown.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, legal notice of hearing~ affidavit attesting to its publication in the official
newspaper and notice to the applicant.
THE CtIAIRAIAN: Is anyone present who wishes to speak in favor of this
application ?.
(There was no response.)
Does anyone wish to speak against it ?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the applicant requests
permission to retain two ground signs on premises with insufficient setback and
one with insufficient height from ground level located on premises on the south
side of 1Viain Road, East Marion, New York. The Board grantsthe application as
applied for as the Board is in full agreement with the reasoning of the applicant.
The Board approves the continuance of two ground signs and points out that the
applicant must waive his right to a wall sign and denys permission for the continued
existence of the hanging sign.
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The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be
served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the
spirit of the ordinance will be observed.
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis~ it was
RESOLVED that Ernest G. Radford, Main Road, East Marion, New York,
be granted permission to retaintwo ground signs on premises with insufficient
setback and one with insufficient height from ground level located on the south
side of Main Road, East Marion, New York, as applied for. Permission granted
subject to the following conditions:
1. The applicant waives ali right to a wail sign.
2. Applicant removes hanging sign.
3. The signs are granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the Southold
Town Zoning Ordinance .as it applies to signs. -
4. The signs shall be granted for one year onIy~ renewable annually upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. GilLispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
PUBLIC PIEA3tING: Appeal No. 1031 - 9:35 P.M. (F.. S.T.) Upon applica-
tion of Ernest G, Radford Agency,. Main Road, (Rt. 25), East Marion, New York,
for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III,
Section 300~ SubseCtion 10, for permission to retain the following off premises
signs: 1) a sign on the property of Armaroy, Inc., located on the north side Main
Road, East Marion, New York, bounded north by Long Island Sound, east by A.
Birten, south by Main Road, west by S. Rutkowski; 2) a sign on the property
of Lester & Toner, located on the south side Main Road, Greenport, New York,
bounded north by Main Road, east by R. L. Davids, south by Vernon Vail, west
by Main Street; 3) a sign on the property of A.. Siraussner, located on the north
side Main Road, Greenport, New York~ bounded north by J. Brandi, east by A.
Straussner, south by Main Road, west by Kszyminski.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the
official newspaper and notice to the applicant.
THE-GI~kIR1VIAI~: Anyone here wish to speak for this a~.~i~cation?
(There was no response.)
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THE CPIAIRAIiN: Anyone wish to speak against this application?
(There was no response.)
TI-IE CHAIRMAN: I would like to speak against it.
MR. BERGEN: We have not granted any signs for off premises advertising
like that and we Cannot do it now.
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the applicant request
permission to retain three off premises advertising .signs. The findings of the
Board is that ail three of these signs are non-conforming and are in fact advertising
the business of the.appiic_ant in residential areas except for one in a business area.
The ordinance does not provide for off premises signs such as are described in
this application. Considerable advertising is permitted to the real estate fraternity-
on their business premises. The application is denied.
The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will not
be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining use district will be permanently~ or substantially injured and the spirit of
the ordinance will not be observed.
On motion by Mr. GiiIispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVBID that Ernest G. Radford Agency, Main Road, East Marioj~ New
York, be denied permission to retain the following off premises signs: 1) A sign
on the property of Armaroy, Inc. located on the north side of Main Road, East
1Vfrion, New York; 2) A sign on the property .of Lester & Toner located on the south
side Main Road, Greenport, New York; and 3) A sign on the property of A.
Straussner located on the north side of Main Road~ Greenport, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Grigonis.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1032 - 9:45 P.M. (E. S, T.) Upon application
of Frank Murphy, Main Road, Mattituck, New York, for a special exception in
accordance with the Zoning Ordinaneej, Article III, Section 300, Subsection 8, for
permission to retain an on premises ground sign withI insufficient setback and
height from ground level. Location of property: south side Main Road, Mattituck
New York, bounded north by Main Road, east by Old Road, south by Old Road,
west by F. & E. Murphy.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
execption, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting %o its'publication in the
official newspaper and notice to the applicant.
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TI-IE CI-IAII{1VLiN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak in favor
of this application ?
FRANK 1VIYJRPHY: [[ust for the reasons stated. This sign has been up
since the store was put up eleven years ago. I feel it is necessary because of
the shrubbery and storage area I can't bring it back any further. I would like
to leave it there.
THE CI4~IRA4AN: It is hard for us to figure out Where the street line is.
MR.~BERGEN: You are over the line according to Howard.
MR.' MURPHY: On the Main Road I~m on the inside. On the Old Road I don~t
know where I am on that. That is not a street marker; that is a right of way
marker. That monument was su~pposed to be in the middle of - that has nothing
to do with where the road intersects. That is not a corner of my property. Those
markers are every .five or six hundred feet along the highway to show the road
right of way. They run parallel with the road.
THE CHAIRMAN: Where do you think your sign is ?
MR. 1VIIIRPHY: It is on my property. There is an unknown .owner on the
point. It is a very rsmaII thing. I thing the old~ Main Road is on the unknown
owners property. This is old TuthilI property. The sign is on my property.
TPIE CH~ktR1ViAAI: It is facing east on two posts, a two faced sign.
MR. MURPHY: I think it is'about 2 or 3 feet from the property tine. I~m
not quite sure.
TI-IE CI-IAIRtVI~N: Will you send us a copy of the survey. 'We .will reserve
decision until we have a copy of this survey.
You don~t want to move it back because you have shrubs planted there.
MR. BERGEN:
MI{j" 1ViURPHY:
I'm agreeable to that.
can move it.
What would be the trouble with moving it back?
There area couple of trees, but we could move it back.
I'll mark on the survey map where it is and where we
THE CI{AIR1V[AN:. We will reserve decision until the next meeting.
not necessary-for you to come down again.
It is
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PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1033 - 9:50 P.M. (E.S.T.) Upon application
of The Sun Oil Company, Oceanside, New York,- a/c Sunoco Service Station, West
Front Street, Greenport, New York for a special exception in accordance with the
Zoning Ordinance, Article IV, Section 408, Subsection (a)'for permission to retain
a pole sign with insufficient setback from property line. Location of property: north
side Route 25, Greenport~ New York, bounded north by Village Property, east by
Frank Townsend, South by Main Road. (Rt..25), west by Clifford Benjamin.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special
exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official
newspaper and notice to the applicant.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak for this
application ?
(There was no response.)
Anyone who wishes to speak against ?
(Ther.e was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the applicant requests
permission to retain a pole sign with insufficient setback from property line located
on the north side of Route 25, Greenport, New Yorl~. The Board grants the
application as applied for and agrees with the reasoning of this app'~ication. The
findings of the board are that the Sun Oil Company sign standard is' back from the
line of the highway about 3 feet; that the pole erected to display this sign is
approximately 4 feet from the edge of the highway. It is the opinion of the Board
that to move this sign back from the highway would further complicate traffic
going in and out of The service station and would not be in the interest of safety.
The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and justice will be
served and the legally esia~lished or permitted use of neighborhood property and
adjoining use district willie permanently or substantially injured and the spirit of
the ordinance will be observed.
On motion of Mr. GiIIispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED that The Sun Oil Company, Oceanside, New York, a/c Sunoco
Service Station, West Front Street, Greenport, New York, be granied permission
to retain a pole sign with insufficient setback from property line ,located on premises
on north side of Route 25, Greenport, New York, as applied for. Permission
granted subject to the following conditions:
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1. The sign is granted subject to ail subsequent changes in the SouthoId Town
Zoning Ordinance as it applies to signs.
2. The sign shall be granted for one year only, renewable annually upon
written application to the Board of Appeals.
Vote of Board: Ayes: Mr. GiIlispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr, Grigonis.
DISCUSSION: On Appeal No..l~l~ - 10:00 1~. M. (E. S. T. ) - Newton Robbins
d/b/a Captain Jim's Rowboat Station, Third Street, New Suffolk, New York,
appeared for discussion with Board on Board's denial of permission to retain
sign located on corner of Third Street and Main Street, New SuffoLk, New York.
MR. ROBBINS: When I was called here before it was because it was too
close and I explained things and you seemed to agree and if you put it in writing
it would be affirmed.
TI4E CH_AIRMAN: When was this ?
MR. ROBBINS: I guess it was in December?
MR. GRIGONIS: It was January.
MR. ROBBINS: Anyway, you told me to send it in and I did, a Ietter.
THE CHAIRMAN: What was the Board's objection?
MR. ROBBINS: Because it was too close and I seemed to think it would
be ail right from what you said. I sent the letter in and.when it came back there
was another excuse because it was a traffic hazard which is ai1 wet in my
estimation.
TI-IE CILtlRIVLKN: I believe we gave you 60 days.
MR. ROBBINS: No, that was another sign. It had nothing to do with this.
This is an on premises sign on my property on Third and Main.
MR. BERGEN: It is very hazardou.s to the traffic coming from the East.
THE CHAIR~N: It is on the northeast corner of the street. It is a
traffic hazard.-
MR~ ROBBINS: No Sir, there is a stop sign right there and if those trees
were in bloom you wouldn't even see the sign.
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THE CPIAIR1VLiN: I think the question involved here is safety.
MR." ROBBIAYS: Yes Sir, I appreciate the-safety part.
THE CHAII{1VLiAI: There is a provision in the Ordinance that from a
point of 20 feet of two intersecting streets there wilt be no obstructions. I~m
sure that is what it is. Section 1006, pne of the general provisions of the
Ordinance states:
"No wall, fence, or other structure and no hedge, tree,
shrub or other growlh shall be erected, altered or maintained
on any corner lot at any point within twenty (20) feet from the
intersection of the street lines, which may cause dan-ger to
traffic on a street by obscuring the view."
As far as we are concerned, we would not be willing to grant any variance or
special exception in this case on a sign which involved obscuring an intersection.
In other words, the feeling of the Board is that safety in this situation is more
important than the visibility of the sign.
MR. ROBBINS: I agree that safety is important but I do not agree that it
obscures the vision there. Any bush or tree can obscure vision.
THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, but in this case you are maintaining a structure
within 20-feet of the intersection.
Mit. ROBBINS: That is just 20 feet not 9 feet or 10 feet.
THE CHAIR1VIxkAt: The property line would be very cIose to your sign,
wouldn't it ? Your sign is within a few feet of Third Street and a few feet of
the other street. There is no question of it being within 20 feet.
MR. ROBBIATS: Technically no, if you want to pick hairs.
THE CHA~RtVLiN: We are not picking hairs.
MR. ROBBINS: I-f I take that sign down I might a s well quit.
THE CHAIRMAN: Thai may well be, but no Board would permit a sign
to obscur-e vision.
MR. ROBBINS: Did you check West?
THE CHAIR1VLiN: We went on both sides of the street from the inter-
section. We backed down Third Street and turned around. It does obscure
vision. For that reason we have to deny the sign on this location. We would
permit your locating closer to the line than 5 feet but it must be more than 20
feet from Third Street.
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MR.-,, ROBBINS: That would bring it up to the middle of my lawn which
people would not see when the trees are in bloom. There is a tow_a tree which
obscures the view as well as a small tree on my property.
MR. BERGEN: If you moved that sign 20 feet back on your property up
Third Street, wouldn~t it be ail right there?
MR. ROBBINS: No Sir. If you are going into New ~ffolk the way my
customers do from the city, going south on Main Street, thee block in front of
my house before you get in front of my house is the school bali park. There is
a fence around there, a wire fence and a hedge that goes right down to the end
of that block to that street. My customers complain that they can hardly see the
sign where it is. My station is at the end of Third Street.
THE CHAIRMAN: It blocks visibility. We noticed it. We checked it.
MR. ROBBINS: i(tndicating survey map) If I move the sign back, well,
it won't be a sign anymore. No use to it.
THE CI-IAIRMAiN: Do the cherry trees overhang your property? Why
don~t you cut the branches off.
MR.' ROBBINS: ~Fhey are IoveIy trees. I want to leave them be.
THE CHAIRA42kN: Is the sign two faced?
MR. ROBBINS: No, not at ail.
(Board and applicant studied survey sketch for possible location
of the sign.)
MR. ROBBINS: I cannot see the idea of an obstruction. ~ks I say, I
have tested it myself and this is far enough back frQm the road. The road is
way out here. TechnicaIIy, if you want to say, the road is 60 feet wide - -
MR--BERGEN: 50 feet.
MR. ROBBINS: Right, 50 feet that would bring it into the sidewalk,
up to my fence, but .actualIy the tarred or paved part is 20 feet or 25 feet wide.
That is what the traffic is on.
THE CHAIRiVIAN: We understand ali that but if you stop at a stop sign
you stop before the sign. I agree you can inch'past the sign. This is ali
irrelevant. The sign is impossibly located as far as visibility is concerned
and that is ali we are interested in.
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MRj ROB]BINS: I don~t know what I can do about
TYIE CHAIRM~N: The Board would go along with relocating the sign
21 feet from the corner.
MR. ROBBINS: That does me no good there.
THE CHAIRMAN: Who owns this property ?
MR. RO]BBINS: Ekster.
TI-IE CHAIRMAN: Would he permit a sign here? Since you are
advertising an. off premises business, it would not matter whether the sign
was off your premises or not. Your type of business-is regarded as for the
public interest. We consider this type of business as requiring special treat-
ment, so we would feel justified to allow you to put a sign over here if you can
get the permission from the owner.
MR.' ROBBINS: He has cottages on the corner and the sign could not be
back over 20 feet or it would be right on his cottage.
THE CHAIRMAN: I-Iow about the southeast corner2
MR. ROBBINS: He doesn't want it over there.
THE CI-IAIRMAN: I-Iow about a location coming into town? I think the
]Board would go along with-an off premises directional sign. Most of the traffick
comes from Mattituck. Catch them up here somewhere with a directional sign.
MR. ROBBINS: But as it stands now, it is out. Right?
THE CHAIRtV~kN: Yes.
MR['. ROBBINS: If you would investigate in the Spring, you would see
the trees a~e there. Now the foliage is gone and the sign stands out.
TI-IE CYI~IR~N: See if you can find a location in the West. Meantime
we will postpone it another '30 or 60 days.
MR. ROBBINS: I~II see what I can do.
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On motion of Mr. GiIIispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
Sou/hold Town Board of Appeals
-31- January 19, 1967
RESOLVtID thai Appeal No. 993 of William Beebe, Cutchogue, New York,
be reheard on February 2, 1967, at 7:30 !P.~i. E.S.T.
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The rneeling was adjourned at 11:00 P. ~.
RespeclfulIy subrnilt ed,
~Viargarel A. Young, Secretary pro tern
Southold Town Board of Appeals