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APPEALS BOARD
MEMBERS
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER, CHAIRMAN
CHARLES GRIGONIS, JR.
SERGE DOYEN, JR.
ROBERT J. DOUGLASS
JOSEPH H. SAWICKI
MINUTES
JULY 8, 1982
REGULAR MEETING
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board of Appeals was held
on Thursday, July 8, 1982 at 7:30 o'clock p.m. at the Southold Town
Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Present were: Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman; Charles Grigonis,
Jr.; Serge Doyen, Jr.; Robert J. Douglass and Joseph H. Sawicki.
Also present were: Mr. Victor Lessard, Executive Administrator of
the Town of Southold; Mrs. Ruth Oliva, North Fork Environmental
Council; Mr. Henry Lytle, Southold-Peconic Seniors Club.
The Chairman called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. and
proceeded with the first public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2997. Application of ANNETTE GOLDEN
CARNES, 1445 Bay Shore Road, Greenport, NY for a Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Sections 100-31 and 100-36 for approval
of construction of swimmingpool and deck with insufficient side and
rear yard setbacks at 1445 Bayshore Road, Greenport, NY; bounded north
by Pipes Cove; west by O'Brien; south by Bay Shore Road; east by Koehler;
County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-53-4-4.
The Chairman opened the ~earing at 7:30 p.m. and read the legal
notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal application.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of a survey produced on June 24,
1974 (amended December 29, 1980) indicating the pool and deck areas
as it is attached to the house. We have also a building permit which
is a little more descriptive and we have a copy of the County Tax Map
showing this and the surrounding properties in the area. Is there
anybody wishing to speak in behalf of this application?
ABIGAIL A. WICKHAM, ESQ.: Abigail A. Wickham, Esq. I think most
S0uthold Town Board oi Appeals -2- July 8, 1982 Regular Mtg.
(Appeal No. 2997 - Annette Golden Carnes, continued:)
MRS. WICKHAM continued:
of the history here was set forth in the papers, and I would like
the board to consider the affidavit of Mrs. Carnes as part of the
record. We are asking for approval of the pool and deck, which were
constructed pursuant to a building permit, and it was not until the
final C/O inspection that a different building inspector required a
variance and sent us to this board. We have a hardship where the
applicant has put in the pool and deck. In order to comply, they
would have to remove part of the deck and they need the deck in.
It's certainly a unique problem because of the way it arose. It
will not affect the character of the district. There is a hedge
which Mrs. Carnes estimates about four or five feet in width. I
don't believe there are any objections from the neighbors. Also,
there were some additional plantings put in front on the Bay side
as a result of conferences with the D.E.C.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I have one question, but I will wait to see if
there are any objections. Is there any wishing to speak in behalf
of this application? Is there anyone wishing to speak against the
application?
SAMUEL MARKEL: I am a resident of Southold Town, and I am
also an acquaintance and friend of Annette and Mr. Carnes. I
personally have viewed the situation, and I think the answer is
the story from the building permit and that possible litigation might
result. (Remainder of statement unclear.)
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else for this application? (None)
Anyone against? (None) It has been the nature of this board, Miss
Wickham, to consider access to the waterfront and we usually deal with
an eight-foot access. If there is any work to be done along the
waterfront, it has been our views that we like to see an access. It
does not show on this survey how much you actually have. Maybe you
could go back and measure to see what the distance is from your
property line to the house.
MISS WICKHAM: You are talking about the south side?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Where the diving board area is, the south side of
the walkway to the boundary.
MISS WICKHAM: It's about 3 to 4 feet.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Do you want to go with that, or do you want to give
us a measurement? I suggest that you give us a call on Monday or so if
that's what you wish to do.
MISS WICKHAM: There is at least 6 to 7 feet on the other side of
the house. It didn't feel crowded. If it is three feet, what would
we be able to do with this?
MR. CHAIRMAN: We may ask for you to trim the hedges on the north
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(Appeal No. 2997 - Annette Golden Carnes, continued:)
MR. CHAIRMAN continued:
side of the house to allow for access at some future date, where you
could get a machine in there.
MR. CARNES: We just did it. At the north side of the house.
MR. CHAIRMAN: There didn't appear to be any way near 7 feet, that
is the reason.
MRS. CARNES: The access is actually the left side.
MISS WICKHAM: I don't think they want to trim it too severely
as it has been there for some time.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. Are there any other questions from
anybody else?
JERRY BOLGER: In addition to these deck areas, the house line on the
north and south sides, of the house would be (of a) width so that they can
be accessible.
MISS WICKHAM: I believe Mr. Bolger (
basis for the record.
) was a
MR. CHAIRMAN: Does anybody else have any questions? (None) Do
any of the board members wish to comment? (None) I'll make a motion
closing the hearing and reserving decision. [The board awaits the
additional information before deliberations.]
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearing and reserve decision until a later
date in the matter of Appeal No. 2997 - ANNETTE GOLDEN CARNES.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Doyen, Grigonis,
Douglass and Sawicki.
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'July 8, 1982 Regular Mtg.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2998. Application of MARGARET DELLANO,
by Rensselaer G. Terry, Esq., Main Road, Southold, NY for a Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30A and B, for permission
to use pre-existing tourist-home altered to a three-apartment building for
use as three-dwelling apartments in this A-Residential and Agricultural
Zone. Location of Property: 51255 County Road 48 and 50 Clark Road,
Southold, NY; bounded north by Corey; west by Clark Road; south by C.R.
48; east by Aurichio; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-135-2-7.1.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 7:41 p.m. and read the legal
notice of hearing in its entirety and appeal application.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: We have a copy of a survey prepared on
April 6, 1982 by Mr. VanTuyl indicating the house in question, which is
the nature of this application and where it lies on the property. We
also have a copy of the County Tax Map showing this property and the
surrounding properties. Mr. Terry.
RENSSELAER G. TERRY: I appear here on behalf of Mrs. Dellano,
who as you read in the application purchased the property in January
of 1952 and continued to operate it as a tourist home. In addition
the Maples sign continues at the present time.
Mrs. Dellano has always in a very pleasant manner and
so far as I know there have been no difficulties, and the people
residing there have always been of a quiet nature. It has been and
will continue to be a residential area . Since some of you have viewed
the area, you are aware that the kitchen and living space are very
limited areas so there would not be a large number of persons occupying
the building.
Mrs. Dellano was not aware at the time of the change and that
she should have made such an application. She will be in a financial
bind if she cannot get some relief here. If this is granted, the
character of the neighborhood will not change. I think it's quite
a peaceful residential area. Because of the size of the building it
would be difficult and you'd have to have a large family live there.
I would like to leave a petition signed by some os ~he neighbors and
former tourists and ask that you give favorable consideration.
(Mr. Terry submitted a petition containing 34 signatures request-
ing this board to approve Mrs. Dellano's variance application.)
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else to speak on behalf of the
application. Anyone against? (None) Hearing no further comments,
I'll make a motion closing the hearing and reserving decision until
a later date.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearing, and reserve decision until a
later date in the matter of Appeal No. 2998. MARGARET DELLANO.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Doyen, Grigonis,
Douglass and Sawicki. This resolution was unanimously adopted.
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PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3001. Application for HAROLD E. WALTERS,
by Richard J. Cron, Esq., Main Road, Cutchogue, NY for a Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article XI, Section 100-115 for approval of suitable
screening around the periphery of the existing junkyard located at 400
Nokomis Road, Southold; more particularly known as County Tax Map District
1000, Section 78, Block 3, Lot 20 at Laughing Waters.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 7:49 p.m. and read the legal
notice of hearing in its entirety and application for a variance.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I have a copy of a survey prepared on December 18, 1981
by R. VanTuyl, P.C. of the parcel of land which is the nature of this
application, and a copy of the County Tax Map showing this and the surround-
ing properties. Mr. Cron.
RICHARD J. CRON, ESQ.: This is somewhat of an unusual application.
It's neither a variance or a special exception. It is made pursuant to
Section 100-115 of the code with respect to a junkyard-type of business,
in that the Zoning Board of Appeals makes an inspection of the property
and to be able to make a determination as to whether there is sufficient
screening. As I have indicated in the application, before the enactment
of the zoning ordinance, he was of the opinion at the date of the
notice of violation that he had in fact secured approval from the Zoning
Board of Appeals when the zoning ordinance was enacted. Mr. Howard
Terry I think can verify that for the board. That is not the important
factor. The important factor is that this board make something in
writing and have specific requirements in terms of screening that we
can comply with...screening reasonable in nature.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Is there any else wishing to speak for
the application?
HOWARD TERRY (past building inspector): Mr. Chairman and Members
of the board. The Zoning Board of Appeals and I have gone and visited
the site, and at that time the zoning ordinance required screening.
I don't classify Mr. Walter's site as a junk operation. We did go
through all of these codes. It is my understand that he has made a
research. I sent a letter explaing it to Mr. Walters. The survey you
have before you shows you where he put up the fence and some trees and
bushes. Mr. Walters met the requirements of the board at the time.
It was the chairman, Mr. Gillispie, myself and Mr. Bergen. I can't go
down and look through it.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We also did an intensified search and could find
nothing. It was never acted upon by the board. We did an updated
search for 280-a's in the town, which the Planning Board asked us to
do, and we did go through every application that was ever brought
before the board and at the same time we searched for information
or action concerning Mr. Walters' property and found nothing. However
we did find a lot of 280-a's.
MEMBER GRIGONIS: Baring all the facts, I think it's pretty much
about the same thing.
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(Appeal No. 3001 - Harold E. Walters, continued:)
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone wishing to speak against the
application? Miss Wickham.
ABIGAIL A. WICKHAM, ESQ.: I am here representing an adjoining
neighbor, Leslie Kunst, who adjoins the property on the south. She
is concerned about the screening because it does affect her property,
the saleability and value of the property and is concerned about a
possible ( ) of the property to the north, which was a problem
at some time. Mr. Terry indicated there was some natural vegetation
that doesn't seem to be there any more. She would like to see something
in terms of a stockade fence along that entire area, not only to the
north but also, as you can see, down the road in the front. She likes
the neighborhood and would like it to have a nice appearance, and we
would like the board to take that into consideration. Mrs. Kunst
would also like to address the board.
LESLIE KUNST: I own the property on the south side of Mr. Walters'
property, which is 630 Nokomis Road. I am concerned. I have tried to
sell the property. I had an interested buyer, who turned it down for
the reason there were too many cars and his property was unappealing.
I feel now there is no possible resale value with the property being
as it is right now. After I bought the property, it was assessed at
a less value for the fact of my neighbor's property, Mr. Walters, and
I think with suitable screening this would help to improve my property
values, and I am concerned about my property values.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else wishing to speak against the
application? (None)
MR. CRON: I think it should be an interesting factor as to
perhaps who was first in the area, and the objectant came at a subse-
quent date. Mr. Walters is aware that he has to do some type of
acreening and it is to be of a type this board should consider. The
screening should be reasonable.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else?
MISS WICKHAM: First of all, the code does require Board of
Appeals' approval of suitable screening and there is some question as
to what that screening is, and Mrs. Kunst would like to be given a
brief description as to what type, as she has been there.
(Mrs. Kunst made a statement as to how she and her two children
have been harassed byother children after she made a request to the
building department about this problem, and how Mr. WalterS' junk
area seems to get better at one point, and then worsens.)
MR. CRON: I don't think other children have anything to do with
what this application is.
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(Appeal No. 3001 - Harold E. Walters, continued:)
MR. TERRY: Mr. Walters has been there since back in the 1940's,
right after World War II, when junk was Actually over
a period of time it had fallen over the property line and she could
actually have claimed adverse possession because nobody claimed it
for years.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Any further questions? Board members? (None)
I'll make a motion to--
MISS WICKHAM: What type of screening are you proposing?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Basically, there are three types of screening --
hedges of a certain minimum size, link fences -- complying with the
code -- stockade fences.
MISS WICKHAM: As to the first two, a hedge can be seen through
in the winter time, and a chainlink fence can be seen through at
any time. As to what happened in the 1940's and 50's, I'm not sure
that is existing. Mrs. Kunst now owns that property, and it does
affect her.
MR. CRON: The board only considers what the ordinance requires.
MISS WICKHAM: Mrs. Kunst wants a stockade fence for aesthetic
reasons.
MISS
WICKHA~:think the preparation of the ordinance is aesthetic.
MR. CRON: Not solely.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I'll make a motion to close the hearing and reserve
decision until a later date.
MEMBERS SAWICKI AND DOUGLASS: Second.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Messrs. Douglass and
Sawicki, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearing and reserve decision until a later
date in the matter of Appeal No. 3001 - HAROLD E. WALTERS.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Doyen, Grigonis,
Douglass and Sawicki.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 3003. Application of GEORGE H. and
BEVERLY G. BOEHLE, Woodcliff Drive, Mattituck, NY for a Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-31 for approval of
insufficient area and epth of two parcels located at Westview, Mayflower
and Woodcliff Drives, Mattituck, NY; bounded north by Westview Drive;
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