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HomeMy WebLinkAboutZBA-01/25/1968 APPEAL BOARD MEMBERS Robert ~'. Gillimie, Jr., Chalrm~n Robert Bergen Charles Gregonis, Jr. Serge Doyen, Jr. Fred Huls¢, Jr. Southold Town Board of Appeals SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. ]'dcphon¢ SO 5-9660 MINUTES SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS January 25, 1968 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board of Appeals was held at 7:30 P.M., Thursday, January 25, 1968, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs: Robert W. Gillispie~ Jr., Chairman; Robert Bergen, Fred Hulse, Jr., Charles Grigonis, Jr. Absent: MI. Serge Doyen, Jr. PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 1159 - 7:30 P.M. (E.S.T.), Upon application of Mattituck Gun Club, Mattituck, New York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article Ill, Section 300, Subsection 5 (c), for permission to build an indoor rifle range. Location of property: east side Cox Lane, Cutchogue, New York, bounded north by Mary Doroski, east by Skirel-Krupski, south by I. Krupski, west by Cox Lane. No fee charged. The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application for a special exception, legal notice of hearing, affidavit attesting to its publication in the official newspaper, and notice tot_he applicant. ' Southold Town Board of Appeals -2- January 25, 1968 THE CHAIRMAN: The existing use and occupancy of the land is an outdoor rifle range. The intended use and occupancy of the land is the same with building for indoor range. The size of the lot is 600 feet on the front, 400 feet, plus or minus at the read, the depth is 750 feet plus, or minus. The premises are located in an "A" Residential and Agriculutal District. The owner of the premises is Mattituck Gun Club. The proposed build- ing is on the northwest corner of the property. Is there anyone present who wishes to speak for this application? MR. KARNEY C. KELESKI~ President, Mattituck Gun Club: I have a set of plans here. We are just about ready to go. We are waiting for the okay. I don't know if it makes any difference or not, but this is also fox a pistol range ass well as rifle range. THE CHAIRMAN: I don't think that makes any difference. MR. GRIGONIS: You will still be using the same location. JOSEPH FASZCZEWSKI, Member, Mattituck Gun Clu~: We won't be using any hi-powered rifles. THE CHAIRMAN: What would be the largest you would be using? MR. KELESKI: .38 calibre and .22 rifle and pistol. MR. FASZCZEWSKI: The NRA requires 1/4" or 1/8" ste~l for the backstop. We are going to put 1/2" in. If any of the Town police or State Troopers or anyone else that has .38 calibre would like to go down there and use it the 1/2'' steel will be more than sufficient. You could even use a hi-powered rifle. We figured it would be better to have something there. THE CHAIRMAN: How big is the steel plate? MR. FASCEEWSKI: They are five foot sheets, four feet wide. MR. BERGEN: Have you gotten the steel already? MR. FASZCZEWSKI: We ha~e t~e price for it. We have the old price. MR. KELESKI: There is an H beam that goes across and this hangs on this beam. Southold Town Board of Appeals -3- January 25, 196~ MR. FASZCZEWSKI: This set up is basically what the armory in Riverhead has. There will be 20 x 20 cement slab in the stand- ing area. This is firing line. The NRA ask for seven feet. We put 20 feet. If you are going to have anybody else we want to have them in back of the line. This will be the backstop area. (Mr. Faszczewski explained the construction of the backstop). THE CHAIRMAN: What are the walls constructed of? MR. KELESKI: Cement block. MR. FASZCZEWSKI: It will have a slope roof. a .22 or .38 won't pe~Wcrate a two by twelve rafter. THE CHAIRMAN: What would a .22 calibre do at right angle to an unfiled eement block? MR. KELESKI: Will just chip it. THE CHAIRMAN: How about a .38 calibre? MR. KELESKI: Full load, a .38 would probably go through one side~' THE CHAIRMAN: Are the blocks filled that you are going to use? MR. KELESKI: I don't think so. According to NRA regulations they areHt'. THE CHAIRMAN: Where are the targets? ~R. KELESKI: The targets will be held at shoulder lenght. MR. FASZCZEWSEI: It will be identical to the Riverhead armory. THE CHAIRMAN: Who do you propose to use these facilites? MR. KELESKI: The Mattituck Gun Club, the Southold Town Police Dept., State Troopers, and six different leagues. THE CHAIRMAN: Different Gun C~ubs? MR. KELESKI: Yes Southold Town Board of Appeals -4- January 25, 1968 MR. FASZCZEWSKI: This won't be for the public as such. They would have to be invited. We have just put ~to effect a very stict set of rules. Anyone violating these rules will be expelled from the club. THE CHAIRMAN: How far do you propose to locate this building from Cox Lane? MR. FASZCZEWSKI: Twentyfive feet from Cox Lane and 10 feet from the other property line. We were wondering if you may have any suggestions. We want to be sure that we have this thing. THE CHAIRMAN: The only thing that is on my mind is that Cox Lane might be widened in view of what they are going to do with the expressway. If there is some reason to make this road wider you might want to put your building back further. HOWARD TERRY: You will probably want front parking facilites. MR. HULSE: What are you going to construct it out of? THE CHAIRMAN: Cement block, one-h~f inch steel plate extending from wall to wall, full back stop. MR. FASZCZEWSKI: We have hunter safety courses and have full protection. THE CHAIRMAN: Does this operation have alot of noise? MR. KELESKI: It's a little noisy. THE CHAIRMAN: You don't have any plans for the rest of the property. You can set this building back some. I will be open to suggestions from members of the Board. Maybe sometime in the future there will be a widening of Cox Lane. ~4R. FASZCZEWSKI: I don't believe we are going to c~ear any land on Cox Lane. The farther we are from the road, the less people we would have just stopping there. THE CHAIRMAN: Who owns the property to the North? HOWARD TERRY: Three school teachers own it. They are planning a subdivision on there. THE CHAIRMAN= I think you should stay off that line a little bit. Probably 25 feet. Southold Town Board pf Appeals -5- January 25, 1968 MR. FASZCZEWSKI: There is a road that runs along the property now. We are off that about 10 feet now. This is about 10 feet plus the edge of the road. THE CHAIRMAN: You just have this staked out? MR. KELESKI: No, we don't have it staked out. THE CHAIRMAN~ I think this could be fifty feet from Cox Lane and 35 feet from the property line. You can go back fu~her if you want. It should be 35 feet from the closest point on the side line. MR. FASZCZEWSKI: I believe it will be about 40 feet. MR. BERGEN: You can go further back if you want. MR. FASZCZEWSKI: If these people bought this property and they have a subdivision going in there, can they do anything ~D prevent us from getting a permit? THE CHAIRMAn: No/ Who owns the property on the south side of the road? MR. FASZCZEWSKI: On the south side is a right of way owned by Long Island Lighting Company. MR. KELESKI: The building should be 35 feet from the near~st point on the north side? THE CHAIRMAN: Right. MR. KELESKI: And fifty feet from Cox Lane? THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. How many people would you want to park? MR. KELESKI: A raager officer has to be there at all times. No one can use the range unless there is a ranger officer there. THE CHAIRMAN: There is no way kids could get in there? MR. KELESKI: There will be steel doors and the windows will have baras on them. THE CHAIRMAN: Will there be a wood roof? MR. KELESKI: Right. Strip shingle I think. Southold Town Board of Appeals -6- January 25, 1968 THE CHAIRMAN: This will be used by the Mattituck Gun Club and by invitation of the Mattituck Gun Club. MR. KELESKI: Wehave four Sunday's in October as a courtesy to the public. You can come down to the range and site in your weapon. We had 64 come down last year. MR. FASZCZEWSKI: It's better to have someplace like this to go. Our land is disappearing. No matter what happens we will have this. A kid is going to get involved with weapons sometime. We don't cha~ge for instructions. THE CHAIRMAN: How long have you operated a gun range? MR. KELESKI: Prior to when we bought our own land we have had it about 20 years. We haven't had one mishap. THE CHAIRMAN: How long have ~ou been at your present location? MR. KELESKI: About seven or eight years. THE CHAIRMAN: How far are you located from the migrant camp? MR. KELESKI: About one-quarter of a mile. THE CHA~I~MAN: The migrants don't bother you do they? MR. KELESKI: We haven't had any trouble. MR. FA~ZCZEWSKI~ We have put a fence along the back. MR. KELESKI: The back stop is posted every eight feet. MR. HULSE: How big of pistol or rifle will you be using inside? MR. FASZCZEWSKI: .22 calibre and .38 calibre. THE CHA/RM~N: Do you have permission from the NRA. In other words before you start this operation do you have to get a permit from the NRA? MR. FASCZEWSKI: No. Southold Town Board of Appeals -7- January 25, 1968 THE CHAIRMAN: When you build the building it will be inspected by somebody won't it? HOWARD TERRY: They give you the specifications and you are suppose to build it according to the specifications. MR.KELESKI: The insurance company checks into this. THE CHAIRMAN: Are there any other questions? (There was no response.) THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone ~resent who wishes to speak against this application? (There was no response.) After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the applicant requests permission to establish, operate, and m&intain an indoor rifle and pistol rnage in connection with an existing outdoor sho6ting range. The Board grants this application as applied for, subject to the condition that ~e structure will be erected in accordance with the National Rifle Association s~ecifieations as outlined in the application. The structure shall be located 35 feet from the closest po/nt of the northerly property line and at least 50 feet from the property line of Cox Lane. The Board finds there has been no difficulty in the operation of the outdoor range in the last six or seven ye~ s since this was established at this particular location. This club will be open only to the members and g~est of the Mattituck Gun Club and such use under the rules and regulations which prevail at all times. The Board finds this facility will be used by the Southold Town Police, State Troopers, other gun clubs, and at the invitation of the Mattitu~k Gun Club, and members of the familes of the members of the Mattituck Gun Club. Permission to operate this indoor range shall coincide with permission, if any, to be granted by the National Rifle Association, so that the two will occur at the same time. The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare and jsutice will be served and the legally established or permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts will not be permanently or substantially injured and the spirit of the Ordinance will be observed. Southold Town Board of Appeals -8- January 25, 1968 On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was RESOLVED Mattituck Gun Club, Mattituck, New York, be GRANTED permission to establish, operate, and maintain and indoor rifle and pistol range on property located on the east side Cox Lane, Cuthcho~ue, New York, as applied for, subject to all the conditions set forth above. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Gillispie, Mr. Bergen, Mr. Hulse, Mr. Grigonis. On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Board of Appeals dated January 4, 1968, be approved as submitted. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- A letter was w~tten to Robert Burns, Marratooka Road, Mattituck, New York, advising him that the Board was unwilling to go along with his application for a special exception for permission to stable and board horses, in view of the fact he did not have enough area for such an operation. The Board tentatively set the next meeting of the Soutk~d Town Board of Appeals to be held at 7:30 P.M., Thursday, February 15, 1968, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. The meeting was adjourned at 9:30 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Barbara C. Dittmann, Secretary