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Home My WebLink AboutPB-12/02/2024 OFFICE LOCATION: . QF SO(/ry MAILING ADDRESS: Town Hall Annex �� OlO P.O. Box 1179 54375 State Route 25 Southold,NY 11971 (cor.Main Rd. &Youngs Ave.) Southold, NY c� � Telephone: 631 765-1938 G p� www.southoldtownny.gov UM`I, PLANNING BOARD OFFICE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD C E I V E D PUBLIC MEETING MINUTES OCT 2 2 2025 December 2, 2024 5.00.p.m. ua Tow n;Cterk Present were: James H. Rich III, Chairman Amelia Jealous-Dank, Vice-Chairperson Donald Wilcenski, Member Martin-Sidor, Member Pierce Rafferty, Member Heather Lanza, Planning Director Mark Terry, Assistant Planning Director Brian Cummings, Senior Planner Mara Cerezo, Planner James Squicciarini, Deputy Town Attorney Jessica Michaelis, Senior Office Assistant Caitlin Westermann, Office Assistant Chairman Rich: Good evening and welcome to the Public Meeting for Monday, December 2, 2024 for the Southold Town Planning Board. This meeting is public. The Planning Board may add or remove applications from the agenda upon its discretion, without further notice. Applications may not be heard in the order they appear on this agenda. SETTING OF THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING Chairman Rich: The first order of business is to Board to set Monday, January 13, 2025 at 5:00 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, as the time and place for the next regular Planning Board Meeting. Amelia Jealous-Dank: So, moved. Southold Town Planning Board Public Meetinq — December 2, 2024 - Page 2 Martin Sidor: Second. Chairman Rich: Motion made by Mia, seconded by Martin. Any discussion? All in favor? Ayes. Opposed? None. Motion carries. SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS APPROVAL EXTENSION Chairman Rich: North Fork Recycling (NF Sanitation) —This Site Plan is for the proposed construction of a 1-story 960 sq. ft. building for office use attached to a 1 Y2- story 6,000 sq. ft. building for warehouse space and no basement with 16 parking stalls on 5 acres in the Light Industrial Zoning District. The property is located at 8475 Cox Lane, in Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-83.-3-4.7 Amelia Jealous-Dank: WHEREAS, on April 8, 2019, the Southold Town Planning Board granted approval with conditions to the Site Plan for the proposed construction of a 1-story 960 sq. ft. building for office use attached to a 1 Y2-story 6,000 sq. ft. building for warehouse space and no basement with 16 parking stalls on 5 acres in the Light Industrial Zoning District, Cutchogue; and WHEREAS, on October 8, 2020, the site plan expired; and WHEREAS, on July 26, 2021, William Kelly, authorized agent, submitted a request for Extension of Site Plan Approval for one (1) year to September 13, 2022; and WHEREAS, at a Work Session held on September 13, 2021, the Planning Board reviewed the application and determined that the expired Site Plan was in compliance to complete construction; and WHEREAS, on September 13, 2021, the Planning Board extended the Site Plan Approval to September 13, 2022; and WHEREAS, on September 13, 2022, the site plan expired; and WHEREAS, on October 31, 2024, William Kelly, authorized agent, submitted a request for Extension of Site Plan Approval for one (1) year to December 2, 2025; and Southold Town Planning Board Public Meeting — December 2, 2024 — Page 3 WHEREAS, at a Work Session held on November 18, 2024, the Planning Board reviewed the application and determined that the expired Site Plan remained in compliance; and WHEREAS, pursuant to §280-132(A) [...all terms and conditions of any approved site plan or approved amendment are immediately enforceable, and compliance is required prior to the commencement of the approved use, unless the Planning Board expressly states an alternative period of time for compliance within the site plan approval; be it therefore RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grants an Extension of Approval with Conditions, listed below, for one (1) year from December 2, 2024 to December 2, 2025 of the site plan entitled "North Fork Recycling, Inc.", prepared by Jeffrey T. Butler, P.E. dated December 16, 2016 and last revised August 6, 2018. On-going Conditions: 1. All trucks must use the designated truck route for this site, which runs between the site driveway and the signalized intersection of CR 48 and Cox Lane. Truck traffic to and from this site is prohibited to travel over Oregon Road except in circumstances that require it. 2. The permittee shall only accept construction and demolition debris as defined by 6NYCRR Part 360-1.2(b)(38 and non-putrescible wastes such as tires, furniture, carpeting, appliances, scrap metal, and machinery at the facility in an amount that does not exceed 290 cubic yards per day. 3. The permittee shall not store more than 1200 cubic yards of solid waste at the facility at any given time. 4. The permittee shall limit operations at the facility between the hours of 8:00 AM and 6:00 PM, Monday through'Saturday. An attendant shall be present during all hours of operation. 5. The permittee shall maintain a fence around the property and a sign at the entrance that indicates hours of operation, and the types of waste accepted .and not accepted. 6. The permittee shall control nuisance at all Times which include, but not limited to, odors, dust, vectors, noise, all windblown litter. Martin Sidor: Second. Chairman Rich: Motion made by Mia, seconded by Martin. Any discussion? All in favor? Ayes. Southold Town Planning Board Public Meetinq — December 2, 2024 — Page 4 Opposed? None. Motion carries. SEQRA DETERMINATION Chairman Rich: SMB Apartments —This site plan application is for the proposed creation of a 7,061-sq. ft. multiple dwelling unit on a 68,901 sq. ft. parcel with an existing two-story mixed-use building (with retail use on the first floor and two apartments on the second floor) in the Hamlet Business "HB" Zoning District. The property is located at 56025 NYS Route 25, Southold. SCTM#1000-63.-3-26 Martin Sidor: WHEREAS, this site plan application is for the proposed creation of a 7,061-sq. ft. multiple dwelling unit on a 68,901 sq. ft. parcel with an existing two-story mixed-use building (with retail use on the first floor and two apartments on the second floor) in the Hamlet Business "HB" Zoning District, Southold; and WHEREAS, on October, 7, 2024, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) 6 NYCRR, Part 617, determined that the proposed action is an Unlisted Action as it does not meet any of the thresholds of a Type I Action, nor does it meet any of the criteria on the Type II list of actions; and .WHEREAS, on October 7, 2024, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act §617.6, established itself as Lead Agency for this Unlisted Action; and WHEREAS, on October 7, 2024, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to §617.6 of the Environmental Conservation Law acting under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, initiated the SEQR lead agency coordination process for this Unlisted Action; be it therefore RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board, as Lead Agency pursuant to SEQRA, hereby makes a determination of non-significance for the proposed action and grants a Negative Declaration. Donald Wilcenski: Second. Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Don. Any discussion? All in favor? Ayes. Opposed? Southold Town Planning Board Public Meetinq — December 2, 2024 — Page 5 None. Motion carries. PUBLIC HEARINGS SEQRA CLASSIFICATION/ CONDITIONAL SKETCH PLAN DETERMINATION Chairman Rich: 5:01 pm - Narrow River, Armstronq & Rivera Resubdivision —This proposed Resubdivision reconfigures two single and separate parcels created by subdivision in 1989 transferring 1.07 acres from SCTM#1000-58.-1-2.1(Lot 1) to SCTM#1000-58.-1-2.2 (Lot 2). Following the transfer Lot 1 would equal 1.83 acres, and Lot 2 would equal 7.21 acres in the R-80 Zoning District. The property is located at 5615 Soundview Avenue, Peconic. SCTM#1000-58.-1-2.1 & 2. Anyone wishing to address the Board on this project, please step forwards, state your name and write your name for the record. Jessica Michaelis: And for-the record, all of the mailings and postings were done correctly. Martin Finnegan: Martin Finnegan, 13250 Main Road, Mattituck—for the applicants: Jeremy Armstrong, Maria Rivera and Narrow River Properties, LLC. Just wanted to note that I'm joined this evening by Doug Adams from Young and Young, who is the project engineer. So,just briefly, this is a very.straightforward resubdivision application. The existing parcels are a part of the Timothy Scott Grey Subdivision that was approved back in November of 1989. The approved configuration of lots did not seems to take into account the wetlands or the topography of the lots, such that, access to existing Lot 2 over the flag that was approved and construction of a home in a conforming location is a challenge. The northern part of the property, as you may be aware, is very constrained with wetlands, so the intent of this application is to increase the size of the improved parcel so that the existing house can be demolished and reconstructed in a more conforming location that is more respectful of the wetland boundary. The unimproved parcel will-be reduced in size but widened to create a lot that is entirely conforming with the bulk schedule. As the resubdivision map shows, the existing parcel one is consisted of 2.9 acres and that would be increased in size by 4.317 acres to form a 7.21-acre parcel and the existing parcel two—which is currently 6.15 acres will be reduced by the same acreage to become a 1.8369-acre residential lot to accommodate the future development of a single-family home on each of the proposed parcels. So, this is simply a lot line modification that will allow the building envelopes on the two parcels to be more conforming and in more environmentally friendly locations. That's really it, Doug and I are available to address any questions the Board may have. Southold Town Planning Board Public Meeting — December 2, 2024 — Page 6 Chairman Rich: Thank you. Anyone else wishing to address the Planning Board on this? Anyone on Zoom? Jessica Michaelis: We do have someone on Zoom, but go-ahead Tom. Tom McCarthy: Thanks, Tom McCarthy, Southold. This hearing is not what I came for tonight, but I'm fully in favor of the application. I had represented Tim Grey in the sale of the property that was not successful with transactions that must have been completed afterwards but this is something that we had contemplated before taking the seaward lot and bringing it closer to the street because of the dune, because of the pond, because of the fragile environment to the front and I think the plan makes a lot of sense and I'm intimately familiar with the property and walked the whole thing and absolutely am in favor of the application. Chairman Rich: Thank you. Anyone else? There's someone on Zoom? Jessica Michaelis: Tony, you can speak— please just state your name for the Board. Tony Oursler: Hi, Tony Oursler calling in. Yeah, I'm the neighbor to this lot and I'd like to just clarify what the plan is because I don't quite understand what the proposal is, so, in other words: my understanding is you're making the lot bigger but closer to the road, enabling the deconstruction of the existing house and construction of two new houses. Hello? Chairman Rich: Well, this is a hearing, we don't necessarily answer questions or are in a position to make statements on the project. Do you want to answer that? Martin Finnegan: Yeah. Chairman Rich: I'm going to let the applicant's representation answer that. Jessica Michaelis: Please just state your name again. Thank you. Martin Finnegan: If I understand your questions correctly, yes, there are two existing lots now. The lot lines are going to be changes so that the existing house, which is now on what I guess would be the landward lot, is going to be part of the seaward lot and then there will be one conforming lot closer to the road. The existing house is proposed to be demolished and moved closer to the road in a more conforming location, farther away from the wetlands. Chairman Rich: Thank you. Jessica Michaelis: Hi Jacqueline, you can speak. Just state your name for the Board, please. Southold Town Planning Board Public Meeting — December 2, 2024 — Page 7 Jacqueline Humphries: Hi, this is Jaqueline Humphries, I'm also owner of the house on the east side of this property. I just— so it seems like on the existing subdivision, the larger lot would not (inaudible) because of wetlands, is that correct? And that's why this is occurring so that there is a subdivision on the land that is buildable? Martin Finnegan: Well, there are buildable lots now but the proposal is to create lots that are better configured to have more conforming building envelopes. Jessica Michaelis: Tony, I see that you have your hand raised again, this is not meant to be a back-and-fourth between the applicants agent and the public. I'm sorry. Chairman Rich: To be clear, this Pubic Hearing is meant to receive public statements and concerns on the project. Jessica Michaelis: If you have a statement for the Board, you may address. Just please state your name again? For the record. Tony Oursler: Tony Oursler, neighbor on the east side. Now, the — is that a stream that goes through the top side of that, of the lot there, on the image? Chairman Rich: I think what you see is a contour line, I don't know of any stream on the property. This is not a question-and-answer hearing. Tony Oursler: Right. Can you hear me? Chairman Rich: Yes, can you hear me? Tony Oursler: Yeah, yep. So public comment is that, I mean is it 75 ft from the wetland in either direction? Chairman Rich: Again, this is to receive public comment, this hearing is not intended for us to answer questions the public may have on the proposed project. Tony Oursler: Okay. Jessica Michaelis: If you'd like to call the Planning Board office tomorrow, Mark Terry, he's the project manager, he can answer any questions you may have on the application. Tony Oursler: Okay. Chairman Rich: Anyone else? Martin Sidor: I make a motion to close the hearing. Amelia Jealous-Dank: Second. Southold Town Planning Board Public Meeting — December 2, 2024 — Page 8, Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Mia. Any discussion? All in favor? Ayes. Opposed? None. Motion carries. Chairman Rich: 5:02 pm - Argvropoulos Resubdivision —This proposal is to merge SCTM#1000-59.-9-6, formerly a paper street, with SCTM#1000-59.-9-5, a 2.05-acre lot with an existing house, to create a single 2.47-acre parcel in the R-80 Zoning District. The property is located at 7986 Soundview Avenue, Southold. SCTM#1000-59.-9-5 & 6 Anyone wishing to address the Southold Town Planning Board on this project, please step forward, state your name and write your name for the record. Jessica Michaelis: For the record, the mailings and affidavits were done correctly for the hearing. Phil is the owner, Phil — do you want to address the Board? Phil Argvropoulos: I have no questions no comments, it seems pretty simple. Unless you have any questions for me? Donald Wilcenski: I make a motion to close the hearing. Amelia Jealous-Dank: Second. Chairman Rich: Motion made by Don, seconded by Mia. Any discussion? All in favor? Ayes. Opposed? None. Motion carries. Chairman Rich: 5:03 pm - SMB Apartments —This site plan application is for the proposed creation of a 7,061-sq. ft. multiple dwelling unit on a 68,901 sq. ft. parcel with an existing two-story mixed-use building (with retail use on the first floor and two apartments on the second floor) in the Hamlet Business "HB" Zoning District. The property is located at 56025 NYS Route 25, Southold. SCTM#1000-63.-3-26 Anyone wishing to address the Southold Town Planning Board on this project, please step forward, state your name and write your name for the record. Southold Town Planning Board Public Meetinq — December 2, 2024 — Page 9 Jessica Michaelis: For the record, the mailings and postings were done correctly for the hearing. Patricia Moore: Good Evening, Patricia Moore on behalf of SMB and I have Mark Schull who's also the principal- and is here to answer any questions or address anything you'd like us to discuss with you. As you pointed out, this is an HB parcel it is 91.17 in width, but 698.35 in length. It is a conforming parcel. The proposed building is behind the existing commercial building that fronts the property, so all activity will be behind existing structures. We are proposing multifamily dwellings which will be shielded from view from the main road. In total, there are six units, three of which will be affordable and three will be market. We did go to the Zoning Board for approval for the length of the building, which was a matter of interpretation that the dwellings had to be connected. And because they were connected, they exceeded the length of 125 feet, which is what the code directs. So, we went to the Zoning Board in a variance to allow the proposed building. The property is surrounded by commercial properties on the west, it's a 1.96-acre parcel on the easterly side is a 1.54-acre parcel. Both are commercially zoned HB, the parcel to the west is vacant. The parcel to the east has a restaurant, and then to the east of that, you saw in your aerial when you were looking at the property is boat storage. To the north of the property is the Long Island Railroad tracks and to the south is the main road. We are here to answer any additional questions, but hopefully no one has any questions. We thank you for your consideration. Chairman Rich: Thank you, Pat. Tom McCarthy: Good evening, Tom McCarthy, Southold. Speaking in favor of the application, I own the adjacent property to the west. And I think that there's some very unique situation in the Hamlet Business zoning district. And I know that your body is not legislative, but there are certain things that I think working together as a community and perhaps getting in front of code committee that might change the face of my application if and when it comes in next door. I would also like to do multifamily residential together with some commercial, so mixed use on the two acres that I have to the east. And I just want to go on the record and say that the existing code has a definition of an apartment house but it is not allowed as a permitted or a special exception use in any zoning district within the town. So, if we can move together, if that's the vision that Planning wants to see together with the Supervisor and the Town Board, then perhaps there can be another similar application here where they're not deemed to be dwellings that necessitate 850 square feet each, and having to be based on that interpretation in one building. So, I think that the code is actually hamstringing the applicant, in this case, and perhaps other applicants like myself in this Hamlet Business area as well as other downtown areas. I think that you may get, and if this comes in front of you from committee or for an opinion from the Town Board,, I'm just trying to educate you to say, that you can't build an apartment house -you can't build a new building from scratch in the town of Southfield that might have 350 square foot apartments or 400 square foot apartments or a mix of them, in my opinion. Heather, I don't know if you'd concur. But you can convert from an existing structure into some multiple residential structure, whether they be primary use or accessory use, but there's no clear path for an applicant Southold Town Planning Board Public Meeting — December 2, 2024 — Page 10 to go and apply for an apartment house and say: "Hey, listen - I'd like to build a six-unit building. Let's have some 350 square foot units. How.about an 800 and some 650s?" You can't do that, and I think Mark's hands were tied a little bit here because the existing zoning, you had to have 850 square feet because it had to be a multiple dwelling. The definition of dwelling in town code is 850 or better. So, I'd be looking for some help down the line maybe to shape some of the legislation to allow us to have more flexible unit sizes, which I think will contribute to affordability and actually things getting built. As we know that - so goes the apartment size, so goes the septic flow, and so goes the credits that are necessary out of the affordable housing bank - or what have you - in order to effectuate those units. The smaller the units to a certain point, if you get them under 600 square feet, they have a different flow than if they're over 600 square feet. So, I think as a community and for efficiency of those septic credits that we have - because we only have a certain amount in each school district or each downtown. think it's incumbent upon us all to take a look,at it and say: "How are we using those gallons and are we using them efficiently?" Maybe that's something we can look at going down the road. So, I understand why they had to go for the variance. I've read all the documents in the papers. I think that as we go through with the new Comp Plan and what have you, that there could be some voices at the table to maybe create some change where we have, I don't want to say better development because I think Mark is building what he's, you know, what he can build there. But I think perhaps some more flexibility where we can get some more units on the ground if we had some more flexibility within the code. And I, for one, would do that in the hamlet business properties that I do own. So, with the two-acre lot next door, still my understanding, I'm looking to put this on the record that you could have one principal structure, as far as the billing department is concerned, for every 20,000 square feet in Hamilton Zone. So on my particular lot next door, I should be able to do four buildings and would look to do a variety of housing sizes in order to accommodate the needs that are within the community. So, I look for your support at some point down the road. I'm in favor of Mark's application. If at some point in the future we need to do a cross access, I'd be happy to speak with Mark - Mark's a good guy - and look to develop these not just as single soldiers sitting at the main road, but what sort of a Comprehensive Plan can we look at? Back in the day, there had been a farm road that ran along the south side of the railroad tracks to connect to the properties and ran out to Boise Avenue. I did a tremendous amount of research, deed research a number of years ago trying to find that of record. I found it in one deed and didn't find it in the rest of the deeds and it went through to the old Albertson property. I think this was the Donman property, went to the Albertson property, several of them going across over to where Albertson Realty is today. And there was that farm road. I think good planning would bring something that in, you know, something like that back in today, and that would be a great relief out to Boisseau Avenue. But I think the ship has sailed since they've moved the building from the firehouse property to the vacant lot that was on the old Colonial Village site. But I'd be happy to work with Mark in the future if we needed to do something. to have both properties function. Chairman Rich: Thanks, Tom. Southold Town Planning Board Public Meeting — December 2, 2024 — Page 11 Tom McCarthy: And, you know, whether that's fire department access or something, because I know that he's very tight on the westerly side between his building and his property line. Chairman Rich: Tom, you're way off from where we started here. Thank you. Tom McCarthy: I appreciate that, Mr. Chairman. So, I am in favor of it. I'm happy to be a willing participant in the redevelopment downtown. If that does mean cross access, be happy to talk about it. I think the architecture facing to the west, Mr. Chairman is real good, you know, facing our side and I'm in favor of it and like to see it move forward and get some units. Chairman Rich: Thank you. Amelia Jealous-Dank: Motion to close this public hearing. Donald Wilcenski: Second. Chairman Rich: Motion made by Mia, seconded by Don. Any discussion? All in favor? Ayes. Opposed? None. Motion carries. Chairman Rich: Can I get a motion for adjournment? Donald Wilcenski: So moved. Amelia Jealous-Dank: Second. Chairman Rich: Motion made by Don, seconded by Mia. Any discussion? All in favor? Ayes. Opposed? None. Motion carries. Southold Town Planning Board Public Meeting — December 2, 2024 — Page 12 There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting was adjourned. Respectfully submitted, �- s b n �W me Y--� Allison Palmeri - � � Transcribing Secretary James H. Rich III, Chairman