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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-01/05/1999~i~J~NUARY 5, 1999 SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD JANUARY 5, 1999 WORK SESSION Supervisor Jean W. Cochran, Councilwoman Alice J. Hussie, Justice Louisa P. Evans, Councilman William D. Moore, Councilman John M. Romanelli, Councilman Brian G. Murphy, Town Clerk Elizabeth A. Neville, Town Attorney Gregory F. Yakaboski. 9:10 A.M. - The Town Board commenced with IV. FOR DISCUSSION ITEMS. IV. 1. Request of Board of Assessment Review Board Chairman John Sullivan and member Jess Wolf for payment for meetings with Board of Ethics and Supervisor. These requests were denied. 9:15 A.M. Appointment with Richard Ryan, Chairman, Land · Preservation Committee to discuss IV.2. Criteria for accepting land as a gift. Supervisor Cochran said that a prior criteria of the Town was not to accept a parcel less than two (2) acres.' Mr. Ryan said that the committee does also have some criteria which they use as a guide to revieW applications. Councilman RomaneUi stated that he still thinks that the Town will have to consider each and every parcel on an individual basis, regardless of size. Justice Evans agreed, citing as .an example a two,acre lot in the middle of a residential subdivision, could possibly not be in the town's best interest to accept. Supervisor Cochran stressed the importance of developing this criteria. Mr. Ryan predicts that they will be seeing a lot of easements in the future. Supervisor Cochran advised that someone has asked her about leaving property to the town in a will. She would like to develop an information brochure to get this information out .to the public. Councilman Moore commented that there might also be times that the town would want to disclaim property left to them in a will. It is possible to do so, but you must act in a concise and timely fashion in order to do so. Environmental review assessments of the properties Would be done in all instances to be certain that there are no unsatisfactory environmental conditions. Mr. Ryan stated that the committee will prepare a listing of criteria and submit it back to the Town Board in a month. This concluded the IV.For Discussion items on the agenda. 9:25 A.M. - The Town Board reviewed resolution numbers I through 9 to be voted upon at the regular meeting at 7:30 P.M. 9:45 A.M. (1:30 P.M. Appointment)- James Bunchuck, Solid Waste Coordinator appeared before the Board to request permission for obtaining material for landfill capping. They are still getting the sand from Riverhead at a good price. But now, he has found another good source of topsoil for the landfill capping which will be needed at the end. There is about 5,000 yards available at a delivered price of $6.25 per yard. It is a loamy topsoil, with sand beneath it, j~.lst what will be needed. Dvirka & Bartilucci has already provided him with the specifications that will be needed in order to go to bid. Councilwoman Hussie questioned if he had a place to store it. Mr. Bunchuck answered at that price, yes he does. He requested 'i3ermlssion from the Board to have Dvirka S Bartilucci go ahead and do the test on the material to be sure that it is suitable, at no cost to the Town. Mr. Bunchuck will come back to the Board after the testing is completed to request permission to go to bid. Councilman Romanelli brought the subject of permit fees for commercial contractors before JANUARY the Board for discussion. He advised that he has been approached on several occasions by Jamie Mills and several other contractors on the subject. He would like to see the annual permit fees lowered from $60.00 to $25.00. They would still be paying the same fee per pound to go over the scales. Councilman Murphy suggested perhaps leaving the initial permit fee at $60.00 for the first permit, but lowering it to $25.00 for second and/or additional permits. Supervisor Cochran referred him to Comptroller John Cushman to have an analysis of the financial impact such a proposal would have on the budget. 10:07 A.M. William Gremler appeared before the Town BOard regarding his application for a temporary house trailer permit. Mr. Gremler informed the Board that he had a fire in his house in late November and needs this trailer as temporary living quarters while his house is being rebuilt. The Board agreed to grant it on a temporary six (6) month basis, after which time he may come back and ask for an extension, if necessary. (Resolution No. 10 was placed on the agenda.) On motion of Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Murphy it was RESOLVED the the Town Board enter into Executive Session at 11:10 A.M. for the purpose of discussing CSEA contract negotiations. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Cochran. Also present: Town Clerk Elizabeth Neville and Town Attorney Gregory Yakaboski . 12:50 P.M. - Work Session adjourned. REGULAR MEETING A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was heed on .January 5, 1998, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Supervisor Cochran opened the meeting at 7:30 P.M. with the Pledge of Alle{aiance to the Flag. Present: Supervisor Jean W. Cochran Councilwoman Alice J. Hussie Justice Louisa P. Evans Councilman William D. Moore Councilman John M. Romanelli Councilman Brian G. Murphy Town Clerk Elizabeth A. Neville Town Attorney Gregory F. Yakaboski SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: May I have a motion to approve the audit of the bills of January 5, 19997 Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Moore, it was RESOLVED that the following bills be and hereby are ordered paid: General Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of $99,126.52; General Fund Part Town bills in the amount of $5,3~8.51; Highway Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of $21,730.70; Highway Fund Part Town bills in the amount of SL~8,23u,.92; Landfill Cap 8 Closure bills in the amount of $115,001.09; Mattituck Creek Stormwater Capital bills in the amount of $8,320.00; Employee Health Benefit Plan bills in the amount of $25,1113.86; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount of $50,339.tt0; Refuse 8 Garbage District bills in the amount of $11,u,79.00; Southold Wastewater District bills in the amount of $1,191.52; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount of $~98.02. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: A motion to approve the minutes of December 22, 1998 Town Board meeting. Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, Et was RESOLVED that the minutes of the December 22, 1998, Town Board meeting be and hereby are approved. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: A motion to set the next Town Board meeting for Tuesday, January 19, 1999, at ~:30 P.M. Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was RESOLVED that the next meeting of the Southold Town Board will be held at ~,:30 P.M., Tuesday, January 19, 1999, at the Southold Town Hall, Southold, New York.' Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussle, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. JANUARY 5, 1999 I. REPORTS. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: As you know each month committees and boards g~ve monthly reports to the Town Board. There are ~hree reports on this particular agenda, Town Clerk's, and two from the Recreation Department. They are public information. They are available in the Town Clerkms Office. If there is something that peaks your interest you certainly are welcome to obtain them, and have the information. 1. Southold Town Clerk's Monthly Report for December, 1998. 2. Southold Recreation Department Monthly Report for December, 1998. 3. Southold Recreation Department 1998 Receipts and Disbursements. II. PUBLIC NOTICES. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Public Notice in relation to replacing bulkheads on Corey Creek in the Town of Southold. Two public notices, they are both from the Department of Environmental Conservation. 1. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Notice of Complete Application of Leslie Cazzola to replace bulkhead, widen existing slips and backfill bulkheads at Elizabeth Lane off Corey Creek, Southold. Written comments by January 22, 1999. 2. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Notice of Complete Application of Cheryl Hansen to replace bulkhead, widen existing slip and backfill bulkheads at Elizabeth Lane off Corey Creek, Southold. Written comments by January 22~ 1999; III. COMMUNICATIONS. None. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: There are no communications. IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS. None V. RESOLUTIONS. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: We will go into the resolutions. As you know the Town Board has a policy, that if you would like to address us, or give any input to any of the resolutions we will be acting upon, that you have the opportunity now. If you would like to have the opportunity to address the Town Board on any Town business we would certainly welcome your comments at the end of the meeting. At this time is there anyone that would like to address the Town Board in relation to the resolutions? DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: Happy New Year. Just a question, I asked a few people, and no one seems to know the answer to this question. I didn't ask any of you. When it says, authorize modifications in the budget, you know, there is quite a few here. Actually they said there is normally about ten. You have four or five in here. What does it actually mean? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: DOI~NA DZUGAS-SMITH: modifications. Modification of the budget? Resolutions that are referring to authorize SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Say you have a line that is for buying office supplies, and you have overdrawn it, you can move from another line to that line. The money would be there then for that purchase. Is is almost like, if anyone has any easier way to explain it, I always think of it in terms of balancing your lines within your total budget. You don't go over your total budget, but you can move from one place to another within that budget, from one category to another. DONNA DZUCAS-SMITH: This authorizing budget modification to General Fund Whole Town Budget to cover overexpended appropriation for health plan purposes, where is the money coming from? COUNCILMAN MOORE: A line where it was not overextended. There was money remaining there. So, if you had $50.00 in your grocery tin on your ~'JANUARY 5, 1999 counter, and $25.00 for your electric bill, you might go into your grocery tine, put it into the =electric bill, pay it from there. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: So, rather than use personal,' specific for that person, where it says overexpended appropriations. In other words you allowed too much money for the health plan departments, is that what that means? COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: It is hard to say. We deal with a lot of numbers. You don't have the numbers there. It is going to 9901.9.000, coming from.. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Donna, may I show you this? It might be easier if you see the resolution itself. We are transferring money from one line, from this line to this llne, so that can be paid. Okay? That is how the budget mods are done within the budget. You can move from one line to another. We have an overextended line. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: The first one is the first line, that is where the money is coming from, and the second one is where it is going to? Okay, but it still comes from the General Fund that you approved in October, November. COUNCILMAN MOORE: This is from the prior year. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: From last year? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: This is all '98. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: So we are still spending '98 money? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: You are balancing the books. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: You are balancing '98's books. That is what you are doing. Do you need to ask for any money from the '99 thing, or anything llke that, so it is just a matter of making all the numbers add up for '98! SUPERVISOR COCHRAN DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH modification, okay. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: For the last fiscal year. That is what all these are, authorizing Anyone else have any other questions in relation to the resolutions? (No response.) If not, we will go with number one, which is a budget mod. 1.-Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the General Fund Whole Town 1998 budget as follows: To: A.9901.9.000.000 Transfers to Other Funds, Transfers Transfers to Health Fund From: A.9901.9.000.100 -Vote of the Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. $6,900.00 Transfers to Other Funds, Transfers Transfers to Capital Fund $6,900.00 Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, JANUARY 5, 1999 2.-Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the Highway Fund Part Town 1998 budget as follows: Ao~rooriations: To: DB.5110.1.100.100 General Repairs, P.S., Full-Time Employees Regular Earnings $ 90,000.00 DB.9030.8.000.000 Social Sex;urity Employee Benefits 10,000.00 From: DB.5110.4.100.200 General Repairs, C.E., Supplies & Materials Fuel & Lubricants 30,000.00 DB.5110.4. 100.975 General Repairs, C.E., Supplies & Materials Steel 3,000.00 DB.5110.4.100.995 DB.9010.8.000.000 General Repairs, C.E., Supplies & Materials Signs & sign posts 2,000.00 NYS Retiremefft Employee Benefits 10.000.00 DB.9040.8.000.000 Workers Compensation Insurance Employee Benefits 5,000.00 DB 9901·9.000.000 Revenues: Transfers to Other Funds Transfers to Health Plan 5,000.00 DB.5990.00 Appropriated Fund Balance 45.000.00 2. -Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Ron~anelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Councilman Evans, Murphy, Councilman Councilwoman Hussie, 3.-Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the General Fund Whole Town 1998 budget as follows: To: = Revenues: A2705.30 Gifts ~ Donations $ 2,500.00 Appropriations: A8560.tt.[t00.200 Trees/Tree Maintenance $ 2,500.00 JUSTICE EVANS: Is this '98, or '99? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: This should be '98. 3. -Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Councilman Evans, Murphy, Councilwoman TOWN CLERK NEVILLE: It is '99. This is a special situation, received a gift. It goes in the gift llne of the budget. It is ~99. Councilman Hussie, where we 4.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Moore, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Dvirka & Bartilucci Consulting Engineers to provide the following services with regard to the landfill cap, retroactive to October 8, 1998: (1) Compaction testing of glass sand for the landfill cap; (2) Research the availability of additional sources of cover materials for use in the cap, and to assess the feasibility of using such materials; (3) Develop and test a blend of Town-produced compost and sand for use as final, topsoil cover capable of supporting growth of grass and shallow rooted plants, at a combined cost not to exceed $17,000~00, such funds to be taken from the landfill closure bond. COUNCILWOMAN. HUSSIE: I would like to explain just a little bit about this. This is anOther: ;$17,000.00 that we are having to spend,, will be covered b~the bond. These are things that wel~e e DEC in order'to I~ave..our final closure, plan approved, sO if ¥ou~ know if the glass sand that we are getting is free, fortunatelY;, is go.ng to get in all the little cracks, and the~ are also doing a test on whateVer the final cover is going to be on the way the grass will grow, or any plants that~are planted there will grow, so we have to test that, and let them know. 4.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Councilman Murph~y, Councilman Evans, Councilwomar~ HUsSie; SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I want to hold for a minute, and go back to number three. That is '99. It is not '98, because it was a gift that was given to the Town, and it was given in the year '99,~ so it has to go through the books as '99 to get it into the right line. So, that number three should read '99 rather than '98. I think we should rescind the motion to get it off the books, and then pass it properly. May I have a motion to rescind #3? 3b.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman P, qmanelli, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby rescinds Resolution #3. 3b. -Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Now may I have the motion for the year 1999 due to a gift, 3.-Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the General Fund Whole Town 1999 budget as follows: To: Revenues: A27(~5.30 Gifts & Donations Appropriations: A8560.4. L~00. 200 3.- Vote of the Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. $ 2,500.00 Trees/Tree Maintenance $ 2,500.00 Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Evans, Councilwoman Hussle, 5.- Moved by Councilman Moore, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves the execution of a Stipulation of Settlement in the certiorari proceeding of Pipes Cove Condominium vs. the Board of Assessors, all in accordance with the recommendation of the Board of Assessors and Special Counsel Richard J. Cron. 5.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murph¥, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. JANUARY 5, ~999 6.-Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the bid of Petro Heating Services and Fuels, Inc. at a price of plus $.10 per gallon over the Tosco Refining Company Tank Car Consumer Price, for supplying the Town of Southold with Heating Fuel Oil for the 1999 Calendar Year, all in accordance with bid specifications. 6.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Cochran. Abstain: Councilman Romanelli. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. 7.-Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby amends Resolution no. 8, adopted at the December 22, 1998 Southold Town Board Meeting, by changing the salary of Valerie A. Meyer promoted to the position of Senior Account Clerk, to $3t[,562.78 per annum. 7.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romane[li, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Participation in the Suffolk County Preservation Partnership Program is no. 8, so we will go on to no. 9. 9.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Moore, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the bid of the Winners Corporation in the amount of $7,500.00 for the following used vehicles: 1992 Gray Ford, Crown Victoria VIN # 2FACP72W2NX206521 1992 White Ford, Crown Victoria VIN # 2FACP72WU, NX206522 1995 White Chev, Caprice VIN # 1GIBL52P4SR152913 1992 White Ford, Crown Victoria VIN # 2FACP72WSNX206524 1992; White Ford, Crown Victoria VIN # 2FACP72WXNX206525 1988 Blue Plymouth Voyager VIN # 2PU, FH41KgJR713069 1993 Blue Ford, Van VIN # 1FMEE11YXPHCOO291~ 9.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. 10.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the application of William M. Gremler for permission to temporarily locate a single family trailer on his property located at 375 Kraus Road, Uattituck, New York, while he reconstructs his home which was damaged by fire, be and hereby is approved for a six (6) month period. 10.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. 11 .-Moved by Councilman Moore, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southoid hereby appoints Alice L. Wider as a Clerk in the Office of the Receiver of Taxes, to work as needed during January, and again in May, at a salary of $7.05 per hour. 11. - Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Councilwoman Hussie, SuperviSor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. JANUARY 5, 1999 SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: That is the end of our resolutions for the evening. I am very happy to announce that we received another $500,000 grant this week, that will be used for the purchase of farmland development rights. It came from the New York State Department of Ag and Markets, so we are absolutely delighted about that. This is an opportunity to take that money, and match it against perhaps some County money, and roll it over into double the amount. So, we are pleased with that. If there is anyone that would like to address the Town Board at this time on any Town Board business, we would be very happy to hear your comments. Yes, Mr. Carlin? FRANK CARLIN: Frank Carlin, Laurel. I would like to wish Madam Supervisor, the entire Board, a Happy New York, and a Healthy New Year. I have two issues this evening, one will be a little shorter. Back in 1997 you come up with this Pool Committee here, and you made a study with the pool. That item was ~,000,000 approximately, and about a month ago you, said in the local paper, approximately four and a half million, and! now you ~want to appoint a committee of experts to review the cost and other issues. It seems to me that since 1997 by now you should know real:ly what this is going to cost. It se~ms to me that before we end up it is going to be more. It also seems to me like the old phras, e that I use, is dancing around the bush. The othe~r item is~ I communicated with and i are about the when usually does it. Ne: d( under hi~ nd that pool will be 'hat is all this issue tonight~ :1 can assure I have a re on t~ in the future. COUN( done out o~ thin variou that up in you pool HUSSl E~ May I reply to what you sa[d? That report was '~st used a' number, that we had sort of taken ,t othe~ ?ings had cost. I~n~ 199~8 'we i asked and bu Id ng companies to give us some data, cted cost. We got cos1 3.8 first time we ever.got rom a than what we thought that ), that iS where the numbers come The to .about going fo~ :,ng to be able. to, as dreams, Ibut real go~ng to ¥ote, it ~ow what~it is all about, as 1 the reference that everybOdy can use FRANK CARLIIN: It will be a public pool. COUNCILWOMA~N HUSSIE: A~d so will this one. FRANK C~ARL~iN: How can it be a public pool, when you have to pay membership t~o,"i~join it? COUNCILWOMA~N HUSSIE: I am not so sure. FRANK CAREI~N: membership p0ol. Membership required, $250 a family, right? So it is COUNCILMAN MOORE: That hasn't been established. FRANK CARLIN: Then why even go ahead with this study? It is a waste of time, if yqu are not even going to use it at all? That was a waste of time in '97. COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Okay, but it was my time and effort. FRANK CARLIN: Why waste the money along with it, too? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: It is a volunteer committee. JANUARY 5, 1999 COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Nevertheless we have to start someplace, and we are going to continue with this. Now, again, I have to reiterate this is not a contest between what Creenport can do, and what Southold can do. I think we both are going in essentially the same direction. I don't know where Greenport is. Mr. Kapell has never asked to see any of our data, nor has he offered any of his own. This is not a contest. FRANK CARLIN: Let me saw something to you. I don't want to spend too much time on this subject. I have another one. A year ago in November this Town Board was supposed to sit down with Mayor Kapell maybe once in awhile, and have meetings to discuss things. Did you ever have a meeting to sit down with this man, and discuss things? Did you ever have a meeting? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I am glad you asked. If you would like to come into my office tomorrow I will show you copies of the numerous, numerous letters that have been sent to the good MaYor requesting a meeting, so we can discuss mutual concerns. I do not get respenses. I do not get phone calls. I get:nothing. I still instruct; my secretary to send a letter, down almost every Friday, So, be it. FRANK CARLIN: There is a ways two side to every story. That is good to 1 hear. we might end up with $7,000,000 or $8,000;000 on this poo. But an' have lots more to Say a.bput that. I Want ~to applaud :thel ~Town Board ~se two'reS01utmns on storage sheds, and fences. ~That shou one a 'long' time ago. I want .to applaud you for~ that but~ it see~is ~to me'~ in, this tewn, anyway, whenever something ~g that wi some anothe the this You resolw beh ience JrJke ts to '91. :ktail ~S one like do to it. see building. Then we go into shed. Num add to this whatever your bu no more than 10 by 10 feet, we go any further, you say we: ~have this, see what the requirements are. Rive~head d~!n~ this, and I a~m!~sure don't need a permit for any storage shed pr square feet measured inside diameter, and You don't need a permit for any fence at permit if the fence is more than fount feet there, too. Number two, within proper d; accordance with town requirements. In your Zoning Cod.e requires within the fenc ground. Fence, s~mple, no more than must be installed within line requirements. Then you got Now, this ~s something here that is indicates that I have read and under application, and the applicant signs it. things are going to happen here. Number down to the Building Department, it they have do here, the appliCant, should be aware what they They are going to hand it in. do. J am done thas. Ri' it is no the Town Southampton rds, whatever ine. Mt )t fence. can 3re ~ut ~ou hlO0 a at in ~e in in, town off. requirements i this What happens Eour ne, he or she ;chis they ~are what say on they - what the will be g want to give them, a certificate or tags, ike what I went h With a non-property line fence, waiting nine days, and pay $35.00. doing that you are doing three things, or four things. Number one, you are JANUARY 5, 1999 letting the Building Department know what is going on. You are letting Tax Assessor Department~ know what is going on, because they are worrying about who builds or what, and the person who signs it is taking some responsibility to also know what their requirements are, when they sign it, and it is simple. I will give you each a copy of it. You can throw it away. You can do what you. want, and it is simple. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Would you like to respond, Mr. Moore? Bill had presented this change to the Town Board, so he will make comment. restaurants. thro A is to they ludic~ copy is four reft FRANK CARLIN: It is simple. It just puts the responsibility on the applicants, and it also gives the information to the proper people. It is simpe. Once you sign :it~ you understand what is: going on. The Tax Asse: ~he Building Inspector goes on, and finds there is a bu there, instead of ten bY ten, it is tw~nt¥. then you do your thin fbody ~is aWare of what they got to do her.e, and then you elim ~lled! ratting business, or so call,ed looking like west end, or anything else. One more thing, while we are: on this sUbject, this format was written by the last administration back in~ 199L~, fast food and I know that you going to say to me about the drive going to say to me, well, the Zoning Board of · ~Fine,:they did. The job of the Zoning ;.Board of Appeals you people decide on the zoning i Codes are.ill rmat in '94, it didn't take them; Iong, to .me it is ,~made to this as well', I want to a .~s. I want to read YoU one item this~. It mi again logo it. I mi Olive, the Give of of nice and it Supervisor. including trademarl~s, lued on to windows of the bu waste di:sposals, ~nt to show you how one I can take you to anyplace, you supermarkets, and sh~ ~ch& windows, but yet this Alice Hussie, Louisa ard along with Tom Wlckham. him. I used to come up What made it worse this over. And like everybody else in appreciate a dri c~n't get out of their, car. It instead going to make any difference or ~u all. I don't think nobody ~ill !ese for one more important tkii~lg 3s~ may not; be or on to I' program was ight ~ave. iiecl to have and even Ruth: I Town to tl~row ) have a of~ ind the rural on Jam COUNCILMAN MOORE: Let me just explain a little bit about what the Code change~ was as far as Building permit requirements for the town, because the first thing that happens when you try and make a change to something is that: I think a lot of people are fearful of change, and a lot of issues are rai~ed as possible problems with the change you are making, and they don't ~ive the change a chance to even be tried first. I Iooke~ at it, and said, ~ee, I didn't think we were doing anything that dramatic in changing the Bdilding permit criteria for the town. We were simply going back to what the New York State Building Code establishes as criteria for building permit~, and that is generally more inclusive than not, and it simply creates a series of exceptions from the requirements for a building permit, and it sets forth like the ten by ten shed, and the fence, and things like that, t~hat you still need building permits for, things like basic repairs, and b~slc alteration to your property. It was that simple, and a lot of other issues got raised, and I didn't see the need, and the Town Board at the time we adopted it didn't see the need for even something as..I will use a word you are going to hate, as bureaucratic as the form that ,you, suggested. Frank, I am teasing you. I know I am teasing you a little bit, thoug~h~ because our attempt was to make it simpler, that people who owned property want to put up a shed, you are presumed or you can find out, if you have question about it, find out, you can get answers to all your questions. It doesn't mean you need an application or a form. It's a form, it's a drop by the window, hey, I want to put up thus and such in~ my backyard, can I do it? Sure. You don't need to sit there, and have your paper processed. The Assessors raised questions about it. We will see. If this thing doesn't work, nothing ventured, nothing gained, but many, many people already were not getting building permits for these structures in the first place, never having an inkling that they were required. So, it wasn't solving a problem by saying, well, you got to have a permit for a shed, because people would go to Sears, and they would buy that little kit, or they would go to the local craftsman here, and buy the shed or the gazebo, and these things get put up in the backyard on a Saturday. People have no idea they need, permits for it, so the permit requirement wasn't accomplishing anything in those instances. The fence requirement, our town does not go out as a surveyor, and make sure your fence has been put down the property llne. So, we are not making sure that, that. has been accomplished. So, a lot of big things has been raised about this thing, and I think a lot more noise than really was warranted. If it is shown that there is some k~nd of abuser and ~t. ~s .not work ng, I am sure the' Board will go back and revisit this notification But, no sooner had we. put it' in place, than we were no, no, no, it .is not going to work. I y,: give it a chance. .you a copy of l~he law. If criteria for an exeml; ~n for a building permit, then you FRANK CARLIN: You don't seem to understand why I wrote that form. I wrote that because to let the Tax Assessors, and the people just know what is going on, give them the knowledge because the Tax Assessors complain about we won't able to monitor, we won't know. The Building Department won't know:; Tf is the most important thing why I wrote this up for, to let the people be aware what is going, on in th~ Town Hail. ~,lso, the resident know :his :responsibly. That is what that. means. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Frank, as just a point in relation to the concern of some, Bill and .Brian., four of you are going to sit down, and just see if there was another vehicle to alleviate some .el the Assessors concerns. There are five p~ople that are meeting, one of Assessors, just to look at this to see if there .really is a concern. That ithere isn't any paper trail. Okay? You may be hearing more aboUt that. FRANK CARLIN: One more thing, there are a lot of people who own homes and a one car garage. They don't have any place to put their lawn mowers, or their saws ~nd Stuff, and a little shed will come in handy for them. I think that is what a lot of people are looking, for, just to have a someplace to put their ~lawnmower and stuff. It is not going to ruin the rural character of:the town I don!t believe. You dOn't have to. rat on each other. That is important,' too.. SUPERVISOR COGHRAN: Board? True. Anyone else like to address the Town DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: I am Donna Dzugas-Smith from Tuckers Lane. First of all I want to commend the Assessors Office. They are doing very well with the STAR Program. They are doing a wonderful job of notifying people, and when you are there they are very helpful. It is a very good office. The Town Board should be thankful. Also, because they are called for other things, such as when I was doing plans, and I had to get thirty neighbors signatures, and addresses there. They are extremely helpful people; and they are very well organized. Moving on to my first question, where does the moratorium for u,8 stand? COUNCILMAN MOORE: The consultant we hired has been hard at work at that, and has been gathering up a number of studies that have been done. He is compressing those into a report that he is going to submit to the Town :Board. So, he has not made his presentation to the Town Board. I expect that to be done to the Board in February. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: So, would the February meeting be public? COUNCILMAN MOORE: He will make his presentation, I believe, I will check it, I think it will be the end of February at a Work Session, a Town Board public session. I will double, check that for you. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: The site plans be listed in May. Is that the general plan? COUNCILMAN MOORE: We have got a deadline in June, and he is well aware of that deadline. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: you have to.. Even after he brings you the information then SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: We have work to do. COUNCILMAN MOORE: He is going to make concrete recommendations, so the Board can then execute those recommendations. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: One of the concerns is, which I am sure a lot of people are aware, is that in the meantime there are people putting in plans, getting permits, still moving ahead. Okay? But that doesn't necessarily mean that when this moratorium is lifted that they will go through with their plans, and claim not hardship, they did all this work, and say the moratorium does successfully eliminate some parcels, whether they are business zoned or whatever, and they are zoned agricultural, or residential. Do you understand what I mean? COUNCILMAN MOORE: I understand completely. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: There is one in particular that everyone is well aware. It was overlapped into your Code Committee. Okay? What fits into business, they are Still rather gray areas. They are not specific enough, and maybe someday the Code Committee can get to that, too. COUNCILMAN MOORE: I think that is going to be some of the consultants recommendations as well as getting those things together. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: And making it quite specific as far as what is allowed. I don't want to get into who I am referring to. because I don't think it is appropriate at this meeting. The other thing, because we have to remember that time frame. One other thing, Alice, I read it in the paper and kind of referred back to you, was there is a person who wants to build a building on ti8, and they referred to your building that you proposed for a recreation gym and pool center, being similar to what he wants to build. Mr. Cray is claiming his storage facility, he claims, is going to look very similar to what you are recommending for a town building, recreation center. I wonder if that is really true. COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: paper, local paper. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: This is the first time I am hearing it. It was in one of the December issues of the Have you seen Mr. Gray's building? COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: No. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Has he seen ours? COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: No. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: I was told you were going to get new notices for public hearings, etc., but in the meantime there is many Work Sessions going on about his building. One of the things he is quoted as saying was that, what is all this hoopla about building metal storage buildings, and having them fit into Southold. The Architectural Review committee and the Planning Department was trying to ask him to make it out of other material, whatever, to make it.fit more in. ~ COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: The proposed building, the one that we are working on as a sort of model is not metal. DONNA DZUCAS-SMITH: No, he is claiming your building.. COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: The model is not metal. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: He is claiming your building, so you are not proposing a metal building, and you are not proposing like a Morton? COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: No. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Come in and see the plan. COUNCILWOMAN HuSSIE: One of the things that I think about this Recreation Center or Family Activity Center is that it has to look charming, warm, and welcoming, and I don't think a metal building has those properties. People have to want to come to it. DONNA DZUGAS-SMITH: That's good. It was just that was something that was written, and he referred to it as if it was the same material that he was suggesting. That's good to hear. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Anyone else llke to address the Town Board? FRANK CARLIN: I went to pay my taxes here. When I came in, the line was where the bulletin boards are there. I was waiting in line there. We looked lille soldiers. I was waiting about five minutes. Some people walked out. I couldn't figure out why. When I got up to the window with two computers there. The one I was on kept going off the Kine. Either we have a problem with the computers, programmed right, overheating, or perhaps the voltage in the room is not regulated, dropping off. I was waiting there before I got up there. I was about ready to go out and get my cellular phone, and call my wife to bring me lunch. Then if i did I would have lost my place in line, and I would have had to went back out, and call her to bring my dinner. Anyway when I got finished, I walk out, the line was all the way out to the front door here. Some people went home. That was so funny. I remember years ago when we used to come and pay our taxes, go up to the window, you had your tax bill. There was a machine there like a typewriter. A woman put it in the machine, and stamp it, you would be out. Now, with this age of computers, we wait there so long. There is something wrong. I am not a computer specialist, but to me the computer kept going off line, either it too small to handle that type of capacity. I am sure a lot of people would agree with me on that one. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Frank, from what I understand, and these machines are new, what I understand is that there was a problem. They were having a problem, and the young man that is responsible for our computers functioning properly came in over the weekend, and worked quite extensively with a lot of time trying get these kinks, and these bugs out of it, so I don't know if it was better today and; yesterday, but I know there was a problem before the weekend. So, hopefully, it has been straightened OUt · COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Along those lines, you generally don't know it until you get up to the window, there is a box there, so that if you have your check and your bill, and you put it in an envelope, you can just drop it in the box. You don't really have to wait to go through that. FRANK CARLIN: Yeah, but don't you want to get your receipt? If I am going to stand and wait for two hours I am going to mail it. COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: I agree but a lot of people do that. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Anyone else like to address the Town Board? (No response.) If not I will entertain a motion to adjourn. Moved by Councilman Moore, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 8:15 P.M. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Moore, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Southold Town Clerk