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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
FISHERS ISLAND
AUGUST 12, 1981
EXECUTIVE SESSION
9:35 A.M. - The Town Board met enroute to Fishers Island with
Morton Stark and Alan Hartvik of the'Suffolk Coun't'y 'Civil Service
Department concerning civil service procedures for Tox%m personnel.
Other items discussed: Senior/Youth Center, possible purchase of
property. With Chief Winters:' Boating accident in Long Island
Sound and recent burglaries.
Executive Session adjourned at 10:00 A.M.
A regular meeting of the So~thotd Town Board was held on Wednesday,
August 12, 1981 at the Fishers Island School, Fishers'Island, New
York. Supervisor Pell opened the me~ting at 1:00 P.M. with the
Pledge of All~giance to the Flag.
Present:
Supervisor William R. Pell, III
Justice Francis T. Doyen
Councilman Henry W. Drum
Councilman John J. Nick!es
Councilman L{wrence Murdock, Jr.
Councilman Francis J. Murphy
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Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
SUPERVISOR PELL: I'd like to take this-opportunity to thank the
residents of the Island and the president and members of the Civic
Association for all they have done mo get us here and what we are
going to have after we adjourn the Town Board meeting. I under-
stand there will be a little punch served and Mr. Bogert, we thank
you very much. We have an agenda we musr go through. After that
we will introduce all the people that are here and who they represent,
departments, then we'll turn the floor over to the people of Fishers
Island who can direct any ques%ions to anyone here and if we do not
have the answers for you today we will do our utmost to get them to
you as soon as we can. The first order of business is the approval
of the minutes of August 4th Town Board meeting. (The minutes are
not completed for approval.) There is an error. We do not have
them ready. The Town Clerk has worked hard but they are not ready.
Suggested date for the next Town Board meeting is August 25th, 3:00
P.M.,,Southold Town Hall.
On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the 'ne~t' regula'r m'eet'ing of the Southold .Town Board
will be held a5 '3:00 P.M.. 'Tues'd'ay, AuguSt '25, 1981 at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
· Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doien,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
I. REPORTS
SUPERVISOR PELL: Ail departments in the Town ~make a monthly report.
It's turned in to the Town Board for review, then it is placed on
file in the Town Clerk's Office. This is the second meeting this
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month of the Town Board.. At~h~[~'i~:si~meetiii, bf the month we had
practically all the reports in except one which we have today. The
reports come from the Town Trustees, Assessors, Building Department,
my office and all the way throughout any agency that works with the
Town. These reports all have been accepted last week except for
(1) Justice Tedesch'i"s-"(:Ju'ty.:l'981') report which is here today. We
have that report and it will be placed on file with the Town Clerk.
Anyone wishing to review it can do so at the Town Clerk's Office
along with any~other reports.
At this time I will ask the Councilmen to make their report.
At th~ regular monthly meeting, last week they made their reports.
I will ask each Councilman to stand up as I call on them and say
the committees that they are chairman of and anything else they
would like to say. Councilman Murdock.
COUNCIL~N MURDOCK: My chief responsibility seems to be with our
disposal area. I am chairman of that committee. We are trying
very hard to exist with the state mandates. I think we"va kind
of turned things around now, the DEC is working very hard with
us. Your own people over here are goingto have a facility to
burn municipal s'olid waste and we in Southold will have a larger
one and we hope to generate electricity which will bring our costs
down a little lower. Also my responsibilities Iie with Town
.insurance, finance committee--I think those~are the two that I am
chairman of. The'disposal area is a very large area for our
township and our tax base and the Town Board.has worked very
hard. In fact, we are going to have a little meeting with a
gentleman by the name of Traugott that's over here from Connecticut
to meet with us about burning municipal solid Waste. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. The next one is Councilman Drum.
COUNCILMAN DRUM: Good afternoon. .I'm chairman of the' I'n'land Wa't'er-
ways Committee and Wage and Poli'cy, Highway and Police Committee.
The Inland Waterways Committee has taken a great deal of my time
and I might say for your information, the people here on Fishers
Island, in June of last year, Juhe of 1980, we received a request
from the Fishers Island Civic Association requesting that' Goo'se
Island Channel, the channel that goes i~to Gada's ~Pirate Cove, be
dredged. At that time we had requested that the county, Suffolk
County Department of Public Works, we turned th~s request over to
them and they in ~urn came back to the township, Southold Town,.and
informed us that it would be considered provided~we found some place~
to pu~ the dredged mater~aI, spo'il. To date we have not located a
place here on Fishers IsIand/within one mile of the project. To
dump it ou~ into the Sound where we'have a dump site would make the
cost almos~ prohibitive~ Mr. John Guldi, County EngSneer, is here
today and we wilI get together with him this year it's still there
and so ms your shoaI. I' hope that perhaps by reducing the scope
of the project that we wilI be abIe to now find some place to put
the spoil on the Island, as I say, within one mile of the area.
.I would also ask that if you would wait until the meeting is over
and then we wfll entertain any questions that you might have concern-
ing inland waverways' or anything of this nature. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Councilman Drum. Next, Councilman
Nickles.
COUNCIL~N NICKLES: I'm chairman of the ~i'ghway uommi't~ee and the
Parks and Beach Commi~'ee. This committee met within the last few
weeks and made a repor~ to the Town Board at our ~ast meeting that
was a-week ago Tuesday, Consequently I don~t have to take much
of your time.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, John. Next, Councilman Murphy.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: This is the first official visit that t have
had o~ Fishers Island and it really is qufte.a great place. I'm
the chairman of the' 'Stree~ Light CommiZtee, 'cbmm'e'rCe ~.~' I'n'du's'try
a~d also another special committee where we're looking into
conversion of single family houses into Converting them into two
family houses, we are going to change our Code in the Town to
allow this and any inpu~ really from the people on Fishers Island
on how this would affect them. The idea is to do this so they
are legal conversions because I know fn Southold Town, our part
of the Town, this has come about where there are illegal two
family houses and I'm sure there are probably some here and if
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not they are going to come. On Commerce and Industry, I've gone
on a tour with the state police force.on the Island and we went
by this one area where they are raising oys~ters. We are in the
process now of having a man come from Stony Brook..who-is going
to hopefully start a program in Town to grow-Se'ed 'cl'ams and there
is great promise for the future of the sea and hopefully it will
help our area quite a bit. Tha!nk you. ~,..
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. The last one to speak is your own
Judge Doyen.
JUSTICE DOYEN: Of most significance lately that I have been involved
in is a disaster plan formulated by North East Utilities which includes
Fishers Island in a ten mile radius in the event of a nuclear accident.
We've done a lot of work on it. I've worked with the fire department,
I've worked with the utility people on the Island and as of September
every Wednesday Fishers Island will make contact with North East
Utilities at Millstone and be updated on anything that is significant
as far as our being completely informed and prepared for any nuclear
accident and this will relate further on in areas such as being
prepared for natural disaster, hurricanes or high waves or anything
else and we've come a long way, over a year and a half to its
fruition. Although I will not be involved in the future I think
it is going to benefit the I~land, Thank ygu.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Also up here on my extreme right is your Town
Clerk Mrs. Terry a~d on my extreme left is your Town Attorney Mr.
Tasker. Last year if you can recall I introduced everybody here
except the Town Clerk.
We have to move on to Public Notices. They will be read by
Councilman Nickles.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I'd like to apologize. I seem to be the only
Tov~ Board member that didn't wear a tie today but I know I'm the
only Town Board member that is wearing a Fishers Island belt.-
1. The first item you will notice on your..agenda pertains
to Fishers Island, a notice from the' Department '~f Envi~onment'al ~.
Conservation, Notice of Complete Appl~catmon .Dy the ~shers island
Country Club to construct one well with pump. Written comments
on this proposal can be submitted to the Department of Environmental
Conservation by August 26th. Normally I tell people the notice~'
are posted in the Town Clerk's Office. Where are they going to
see this~notic~ over here, Judy?
TOWN ~LERK TERRY: -You can leave them your copy and they can
circulate it ...... (later) .... The notice will be posted at the
F~-shers Island Post Office after this meeting.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: This is a project to construct one well 10
inches in diameter approximately 80 feet deep and equip it with
a pump having a capacity of 125 gaIlons a minute.. Well..to. be
located on the property of the Fishers Is'land Connt'ry Club,
Fishers Island. Water from this well is~to be discharged into
a pond and then pumped to an irrigation system for sprinkling of
the golf course. The estimated annual pumpage from the proposed
well is 10 millio~ gallons. - ............
2. Another notice from the Depa'rtme'nt'.O'f.~Env~r'Onmenta~
Conservation, Complete Application by Ema'nn'el' Kont'Okosta to
construc~ 45 condominium units, coffee shops, administration
office, swimming pool, parking lot on 9.2 acres. Comments by
September 2nd. This property is located in the Town of Southold
in East Marion.
3. Again from the New York Department of D.E.C., Notice of
Complete Application by Enconsultants for NeiI Simon to construct
a one family dwelling and related sanitary system. Commenvs by
September 2nd.
4. From the New York Corps of Engineers on application of
Marino Faraguna and Fred Melin to bulkhead and fill and pier
extension. Comments by August 19th. Thank you.
III. COMMUNICATIONS
SUPERVISOR PELL: 1. From the Mattitm'ckPresbyt'e'r'i'an'Church-
BasicaIty what there is is a piece 'of land in Mattituck Village
that is going to be up fbr S'ale and the church people fe~l. they
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would like the Town to acquire it and .make it into a parking
lot. We have several letters on this. The Chamber, the North
Fork Play group, the businessmen all recommending to the Town
Board that we look into this. Councilman Drum was assigned by
me to make contact with the owner of it, which he has done, and
will report back zo the Board when he"s ready.
2. The Town Trustees are recommending' somebody.to, be put
on the Mattituck Inlet Advisory Committee. (Fra'nk Ku'jawski,
alternate Anna Hataier). It is a commitzee the Town Board set
up under a Local Law to investigate and make reports back to
the Town Board on the conditions and recommendations for Mattituck
Inlet. We had a Problem there last year and after that problem
we did appoint a citizen committee to help find solutions to the
problem and work with the Town Board.
3. About an "Open Dumping Inventory" from the D..E.C.
IV. HEARINGS AND DECI-SIONS (none)
SUPERVISOR PELL: We have none at this time. The next-time the
Town Board meets I think we have three or four of them.
V. RESOLUTIONS
On motion of C6uncilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation
Law State Environmental Quality Review and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section
617.10 and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is
h~reby given that the Southold Town Board, as lead agency for the
action described below, has determined that the project, which is
unlisted,' Will' not have ~ significant effect On the enVir~on~ent.
Description of Action: Applicant. on of R..M..Kammerer, Commissioner
of the Suffolk County Department.of Public WOrMs, for a permit under
the provisions of the Wet'land Ordinance of the Town of Southold, for
permission to reconstruct bridg~ carrying New Suffolk Avenue over
West Creek at New Suffolk in the Town of Southold.
The project has been determined not to have a significant
effect on the environment for the following reasons:
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated
that no signi, ficant adverse effect tO:the environment are likely to
occur should the project be implemented as planned.
Because there has been no response in the allotted time from
the New York State Department of Environmental. Conservation, it is
assumed that there is no objection nor comments-by that agency.
Vote of-the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ~d0pted.
On motion of Supervisor Pelt, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold allocate
$250.00 from the Whole Town Contingent Account toward the expenses
of the Tow~ of Southotd Blood Program.
Vote of the 'town board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOL\~D that the Town Board of the Towa of Southold set 3:45 P.M,,
Tuesday, August 25. 1981, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold,
New York as time and place for hea~ing upon application of R. M.
Kammerer, Commissioner, Suffolk County Department of Public Works
for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the
Town of Southold for permission to reconstruct bridge carrying New
Suffolk Avenue over West Creek at New Suffolk in the Town of Southold.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
On mozion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Commissioner of Public Works of the Town of
Southold be granted authorization to make emergency repairs on
the D6 Tractor located az the Southotd Town Disposal Area.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Is it proper to add to it the amount not to
exceed $4,574.00.
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Is that the amount set?
COUNCIL~N NICKLES: Is that all right, Mr. Dean?
SUPE~VISOR PELL: Mr. Dean, is that figure right on there if we
amend the motion to include that? Not to exceed $4,574.00?
HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT DEAN: Yes.
4. AMENDED:
On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Commissioner of Public Works of the Town of
Southold be granted authorization to make emergency repairs on
.the D6 Tractor located at the Southold Town Disposal Area in an
amount not to exceed $4,574.00.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen.,
Supervisor Poll.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
5. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold approves the
revised amount of $340,000.00 for a bond for the road~ and improvements
in The subdivision entitled ,Bayview Woods~Corporation'' as recommended
b~ the Southold Town Planning Board and Town Engineer Lawrence'M.
Tuthill.
Vote of the Tawn Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Poll.
This resolution was declared duly adopted.
6. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded b~ Justice Doyen, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold advance funds
from the General Fund Whole Town Account to meet obligations as needed
to the grant programs.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: DiscussiQn.
about?
SUPERVISOR PELL: Under $1,000.00.
How much money are we tailking
The idea of this is we have a
grant program going on on the mainland and last week I had to meet
payroll at the first of the month and the state does not come t'hrou~h
with The money in time and we have.to pay the employees. We had to
have $256.00 I think is the amount, so I took it out of the Whole
Town prior to Board approval which perhaps is a no no, but the people
had to get paid. I am now asking the Board to give me blanket
ap~rovaI in case this ever happens again. They. call the s~ate, the
moneys in the mail, Audit and Control says it will be there in time
for the payroll and sometimes the federal government or state govern-
ment or county government just don't get it off of their desk into
the mailbox so we can get it in mime. So at this time I am asking
the Board to give me approval nov to exceed $1,000.00 or less of
money to do this.
6. AMENDED:
On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Justice Doyen, it was
RESOLVED ~hat the Town Board of the Town of Southold advance funds
in a sum not to exceed $1,000.00 from the General Fund Whole Town
Account to me~ obligations as needed to the grant programs.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Poll.
~his resolution was declared duly adopted.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I would just like to explain to the audience
that generally the Town Board starts meeting at 9:00 in the morning
and we meet at 3:00 and each one of these resolutions on there is
reviewed and discussed. Inasmuch as this is an unusaI type of
meeting we have not reviwed these and that's why some questions are
being raised at this time. Normally when you come to a Town Board
meetihg up in Southold and a resolution comes in a motion is made
~'to approve it, it's seconded and goes right through.
SUPERVISOR PELL: You're seeing us in action in other words.
That's ends the prepared agenda we have and before I introduce
the guests ~we have with us today I would like to thank Dr. Haas
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and the school board for permitting us again this year to use the
school to meet in. Also I would like to ask Dr. Haas us up to date
on the school, is he here? He stepped out. I was g~ing to ask him
to bring us up to date on the Landmark School. At this time I
would like to introduce the guests here and ask them all to stand
up and you can get a good look at them. A couple of them will have
a few words to say at this time. Some might not.
Suffolk County Legislator Gregory Blass
Assemblyman Behan's Aide Fred Thiel
Governor's Special-Assistant Terry Trifari
N.Y.S. Dept. of Transportation - Sherman Glass & Charles Kilduff
Suffolk Co. Bd. of Health - Robert Villa
N.Y.S.-D.E.C. - Dan Larkin
N.Y.S. Police - Sgt. Cooper & Sr. Inspector Davis
Surf. Co. Dept. of Public Works - Barney Evans
Senator LaValle's Aides Mary Ann Austin-& Mary Eddie
Surf. Co. Office of the Aging - Adelaide Silkworzh
ADELAIDE SIL~qORTH: Thank you very mu~h Supervisor Pell for the '
opportunity to bring a word from the Suffolk County Office for the
Aging. I have some material with me that might relate to your Social
Security and on the work of t~e Suffolk County Office for the Aging..
My only regret is that we are so far apart and really beyond literature
and .information and hot-line numbers there is very little I can do for
you good people here on Fishers Island but I do think it is a beautiful
place. I took a walk to your post office and was very indeed impressed.
However, if you or your aging parents is in the need of information
and referral we would be glad-to help you and on my literature will be
a hot-line number for the east end of Long Island. Again, thank you
for the opportunity of being here I look forward some day to being
of service to you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: She has informati~on and after we break up if any-
body would contact her we have the file with us that she will pass
out. Next we have with us--
Suff. Co. Board of Elections - Everett McNab & Jim Beebe,
Surf. Co. Board of Elections - Frank Coveney & Liz Gatz
SUPERVISOR PELL: Frank, thus is your~ first year here and I know you
have stuff to 'say and you can come up and use. the mike, please. This
is his first time here. McNab has been here. I've been here~-this
is my fourth year. He's been here each year with us.
~RANK COVENEY: I would like to take a minute first of all on behalf
of my partner kb. McNab and secretary Liz Gatz and our machine
custodian Jim Beebe, to express our appreciation to you Supervisor
Pell an~ the Town Board for inviting us here today and giwing us
the opportunity to participate with you in this meeting on Fishers
Island. My main purpose in coming up here ±s to tell you that in
view of the fact there ~s no local registration.--our local registration
is only being held in the town halls this year throughout the county.
· There will be no local registration over.here on the.Island,, but we
do have with us today a quantity of mail registration applications.
We also brought along some applications for absentee ballots,
absentee ballot applications for the primary, general election.
We will be available here after the meeting is over and we will
iekv8 a quantity here with Mr, Bogert of the Fishers Island Civic
Association so if anyone wants them they will-be available. Thank
you very much ~or having us. '-~
SUPERVISOR PELL: Next I would like to introduce a gentleman who
was ~ere with us last year and has work very very closely with
Southold Town Board and especially Mr. Drum who is head of ou~
Inland Waterways:
Suff. Co. Dept. of Pub. Wks.-Div. of Waterways-John Guildi
(John is an expert sailor of a two masted ship and I've
seen him out more than once; he's a sea lover.)
Nassau-Surf. Reg. Planning Bd.-Arthur Kunz, Deputy
Suff. Co. Bureau of Vector Control - Joseph Sanzone
Surf. Co. Dept. of Civil Serv.-Morton Stark & Alan Hartvik
(They met with the Town Board on the way over and we had
some discussions with them. Thank you.)
Suff. Co. REal Prop. Tax Serv. Agency-Thomas J. Ryan &
Paul T. Canalizo
Surf. Co. Dept. of Audit & Contro~ - Joseph Sawicki, Deputy
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Suff. Co. Off. Of Co. Clerk - Ed Hines & George Hubbard, Deputies
(George Hubbard is Mayor of the Village of Greenport which
is a part of Southold Town.)
Suff. Co. Treasurer Off.-Paul Fox, Chief Accountant
Saff. CO. Dept. of Consumer Affairs-Kenneth A. Rosenblum, Comm.
(Mr. Rosenblum has helped the Southold Town residents. I
have called him three times and three times he came to
our aid and three times we were successful in getting
refunds for .the residents of Southold Town on people
doing repair work without the proper permi'ts and bilking
the public.)
COMMISSIONER KENNETH ROSENBLUM: Supervisor Pell-~and members of the
Town Board I'd like to thank you for having us out here today to
the Town Board meeting at Fishers Island. I'm the Commissioner of
Consumer Affairs and in addition to being responsible' d~.ept'iV~
practices and defective merc'hand'fse we also handle o'cc'u'p~tion
licensing in Suffolk County which includes Fishers Island. We
are responsible for the licensing of plumbers, electricians, home
improvement contractors, major home appliance repair contractors
and precious ~etal dealers. We are also responsible for weights
and measures throughout Suffolk County, all gas pumps, oil tr~cks,
gas fuel pumps, scales, yard sticks, price signs, that all comes
under the Suffolk County Consumer Affairs. I brought you all a
~esen~ here today. We found our that most government agencies
print terrific booklets so we collected all of them, including a
few of ours, but mostly these are ones we got for free and we made
packets for you. We got a great deal on the envelopes which were
the wrong size for the post office, they won't take them anymore,
so we got them real che'ap and we stuffed them full of free booklets
on some terrific energy saving subjects.and we have about fifty
of them in a carton that I decided to bring here so I hope if
· anyone is interested they will go away with one of these things.
On the outside of the envelope is our East End and West End
telephone numbers so if you have~ any questions or complaints on
any of the subjects I' mentioned and it is really worth~a trip
up to get one. One booklet here alone, called, "Put Your House
To Work Saving Money For You". It's a book full of low cest, no
cost energy saving tips. ~OU don't have to be handy a~ all to do
them and if you do everything in this book you'are going to save
$300 or $400 a year for sure. And it's free, compliments of
Suffolk County Consumer Affairs. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Next I would like to return to the Town either
elected or appointed officials that are with us today:
Raymond Dean, Superintendent of Highways
Planning Board: Henry RayDor, Chairman
Bill Mullen
Ritchie Latham
Jim Wall, Fishers Island
Board of Appeals: Robert Douglass
Gerard Goehringer
Serge Doyen, Fishers Island
Building Department: George Fisher, Senior Building Inspector
Assessors: Henry Moisa, Chairman
Charlie Watts
Fred Gordon
Town Engineers: Lawrence Tuthill and John Davis
Town Historian: Magdaline Goodrich
To~ Trustees: Ann Hataier, Chairman
Henry Smith
Halsey Staples
Conservation Advisory Council: Robert Hood
Supervisor's Staff: Chris Hogan
Chief of Police: Dan Winters
(Dan was just promoted provisionally. He was up until last
week ago ~esterday a Lieutenant. Dan has been with the
Department for 24 years and now he's our Chief.)
Board of Appeals Secretary: Eileen Carey
Planning Board Secretary: Linda Kimmins
SUPERVISOR PELL: Dr. Haas, the last time we were here you spoke to
us about yonr Landmark School. Where it was, what progress. I
-~': :~onder if you would bring us up to date on where that is and also
~i~!he same time we would like to thank you and your school board
~:.~i~ermitting us to use your school again.
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DR. HAAS: What we ~guld like ~/~D~-~is~h, ers Island is to bring a
private school t ....... ~ ..... '~'~ ....
o our'Island~.for many reasons. To upgrade the Island,
bring more students to the Island and to bring about better economy.
The subject has been studied'at great length and we feel that this
would be a tremendous advantage to all of us on Fishers Island. We
really would like to see this one school come to Fishers Island and
it is called the Landmark School of Prides Crossing, Massachusetts.
They deal with students with educational needs. If y~u know anything
about educational needs, there are students who have problems with
dyslexia. That's a reversal of reading~ They would like to locate
here on Fishers Island because, number one, there is an established
school here that would welcome them and sell them services and number
two, there is a possibility for them to acquire government surplus
land for nothing. This land is available and would suit their needs.
However, a problem has arisen. In order to get this school to locate
on Fishers Island we have to have an act of legislation in New York
State to sell educational services to a private school and our
school board and administration and teachers ha~e been working
to this end to attempt to get this to become a reality and I have
to extend my compliments on behalf of the board of education to
Fred Thiel in John Behan's Office, Assemblyman, and to our State
Senator Ken LaValle and Mary Ann McLean for the work that they have
done in trying to make this a reality. We still have a long way
to go. The biII has passed legislation with the Senate, however,
the bill is hung up for some reasons and we cannot find out why
with the Assembly. ~Ve ho~e that we can get this bill passed to
make this situation possible and have the schooI located on Fishers
Island because it is important to all of us. Our greatest concern
is that if there is going to be any great delay with this bill we
may lose out on this opportunity and the~ school may lose out on the
opportunity with G.S.A. That's where we are right now and we're
working to this end and any help that anyone can give us in the
Town of Southold or in the State of New York we would appreciate
this. The main thing is to get thais Ass~mbty bill passed. Thank
you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much for bringing us up to date.
At this time I would like to open up the floor to anybody who would
like to address any of us who are here~.today.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: That gentleman wanted to talk to Hank before
about the dredging.
QUESTION: I can't understand why,.you c~n't dump. What about the
Thames River, where they dumped that?
COUNCIL~iN DRUM: I did not say we could'not dump out in the 'dumping
grounds. It would require a permit, but it makes the costalmost
prohibitive to transport it that far out, to put it on a b~rge and
transport it. Perhaps the project would be in the quarter of a
million dollar range and we don't have that in our budget for a
two year period, so we are looking for some place closer and I
think we are going to get some help.
RAYMOND EDWARDS; Here is a dUmping ground that is about a mile.
There's Goose Island Channel. Goose Island ChanneI is righi in
there and there's the dumping ground and that's with.in'a mile or
so of ~he area.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: The map indicates that dumping ground is
discontinued.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else wish to address the Board?
~RS. CLAVIN: I'd like to address Mr. Murdock~ On the facility to
burn solid waste and generate electricity-,..are you familiar with
the disaster mn Nassau County in the Tow~'o:f~ Hempstead that tried
a'similar measure and had to shut down ~ecause of th~ terr~£ic
odor and to the homeowners and the Town it is just a~gr~at expensive
liability?
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Yes, we are. It's one of the advan~a.ges of
not being completely first. You profit D~ ~istakes. The process
in West Hempstead was designed by a man who owned a company that
made paper pulp and if you've ever been near a paper pulp mill you
do get an odor. His process was to mix everything with water and
make a slurry to transport it easily. One problem with that being
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when you put municipal solid waste with a lot of bacteria and lhen
water together it makes the bacteria very happy, that's their natural
habitat, that'was why the odor became so intense. When they finally
delivered the product to The furnaces they found out that they had
so much water that in order to reduce the water it took away most
of the heat energy that was developed and it could not produce
electricity. Those two problems were the major ones with Wes~
Hempstead.' This particular design that we are looking at now
would burn at 2600 degrees and puts out a chemically inert ash
and puts out an emission from the stacks that has only 10% of the
allowable minimums that the state requires. We have been in
different parts of the country. The plants themselves operate
on what they call a reverse atmospheriq pressure in that they
draw the air from the building into the furnace and that is the
air that feeds the fire and all those odors are burned in the
process. The one thing I de have to say is that at the present
time there are no plants in the United States currently burning
in what they call a modular system which is less than 300 tons
per day. There are no systems currently producing electricity.
We in the Town of Southold don't have a client for steam. This
company produces a high grade of steam with their equipment and
can effectively produce electricity. We have spent a great deal
of time and we are very fortunate that in that four or five years
of time from the design to now there have been a very many many
mistakes made and hopefully we are out of the mistake stage and
into the processing.
CONNIE WHITE: I represent the Island People's Project and a few
years ago the Tawn was good enough to give us a tennis court and
later you gave us a second one. Now, the original court is in
need of repairs; the fence is coming down and the lines need to
be painted. It is on school property and was put in the Town and
the Island People's Project uses it.
COUNCILMAN NIdKLES: To answer your question, I am not certain
whether the Town can repair the tennis courzs but Mr. Dean and
I will be happy to come after this meeting and look at the courts
~nd if you will give me your name and telephone number I'll get
bkck to you. I know the queszion was~.directed to me because I
am the'Chairman of Parks and Beaches and basically what that relates
to is'our Town beaches. We do have a limited budget, and I have'to
consult with more learned people on the Town Board, particular$¥
our Town Attorney to see if we could do something for your tennis
courts. When we adjourn you can show me your courvs and we can
take some notes on it and ~'11 get back-to you.
CONNIE WHITE: I have more. It was brought to my attention that
the school board had requested lighting at those courts and I
don't know what the result was.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I think the Supervisor has an answer to that.
DR. HAAS: Going back to the repairs of the courts, I made a request
to the Town office ~wo years ahd to clean up the area and every time
I call I am told they will investigate it. I also sent a letter to
the Supervisor April 13th asking that the Fishers Island Board of
Education would like to make the following request of the Town Board
for blacktopping the existing basketball court, including the two
tennis courts~ install lightin~ on the basketball courts and two
tennis courts.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: The Supervisor says he would like to answer
that question. I would have to say this though, Dr. Haas, t have
n~ver received a letter from you in this regard, I mean me personally
as a Councilman, not that I'm aware of anyway. I think the Super-
visor will address your question.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Dr. Haas, yes, I got your letter and ~ did finally
get in touch with you. We did send Deputy Superintendent of Highways
Mr. Jacobs over here one day to go down-and look at it and make a
report back ~o Mr. Dean and~myself about fixing them up and what not.
I believe that we spoke at that time and about installing the lights
and I was going to see if we could legally install lights on your
school grounds with public funds. We have lights in Southold Town
on Mattituck Park District, the Village of Greenport, they light
their ballfields up. It's done by park district, Village of Greenport
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at the polo grounds~lve ligh~i~R~.:;, A~.~ as the Town installing
lights on any school district'athl~2~C fields in Southold Town there
are none. Now, if the Town Board wishes to go into it and install
after we leave today is something the Town Board will have to go into
in depth. In my time on the Board it will be a first but it is well
worth pursuing. Counsel, can you add anything on that? We will
get back to you on this with a Board action in it.
CONNIE WHITE: I have none more problem. For years the Town has
been good enough to mow our ballfield. It is used publicly. It is
now being purchased by the Island People's Project. Up until then
it was private property. Now ill of a sudden it is not being mowed.
HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT DEAN: Your field is being mowed today.
SUPERVISOR PE~L:' Mr. Dean does vry to cooperat~ with his staff
whenever he can. I know he mows the Little League field in Peconic
once-in a while. Certain things he can do and certain things he
cannot do. When he can help out he always tries ro help out.
Anybody else wish to address anybody here?
A. JOHN GADA: Is there anythi.ng you can do to make South Beach
more private? Make it private for the residents of Fishers Island
and not the residents of Connecticut.
JUSTICE DOYEN: South Beach is owned by.the Town of Southold.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Let me ge~ this straight now. You want to make
South Beach, which is a Town Beach according to Judge Doyen, for
residents of Fishers Island only?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: South Beach is parz of the airport property
and that belongs to the Town of Southold. Now, is the complaint
that this beach is being used as a bathing beach?
A. JOHN GADA: Not only a bathing beach, a party beach and sleep
all night beach.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Let's'talk about a bathing beach. Has it
ever been opened as a bathin'g beach by the Town of Southold?
A. JOHN GADA: No.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: In that case we can prohibit bathing there
as we do on the mainland unless the beach is publicly opened. You
have to have a permit, I believe, in order to have a public beach
and I don't believe you have one so I think it would be our duty
to restrict swimming in that area. As to camping and so ~orth,:~we
do have a section of the Code that prohibits that, and that is an
enforcement problem with your local law. enforcemenz officials.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Dan Winters, before you leave get the Local Law
out and brief the local consvables. The one we passed las~ year.
We passed a Local Law. We have the same things in Southold Town
on the mainland and last year we passed a Local Law to combat this
and it has been fairly successful so our chief will inform the
constables here how it works. This is something Dan will go over.
It is part of Southold Town law as of last year.
HARRIS PARSONS~. Why can't we have a St'ate' Trooper here twelve
months a year? I think it is very importanz, more and more so
as t~me goes on and the amount of people coming over here, I think
we are enzitled to a fulltime trooper.
S~ATE POLICE SERGEANT COOPER: We tackled it at the Town Board last
year.
RESIDENT: The reason we have State Troopers here at this particular
time of year is because of the' influx of' pop~la't~on. The only other
way we can do anything about this is through our governor. You would
have to go right to the governor.
FRED THIEL, Aid to Assemblyman Behan: That same question was brought
up two years ago about a fulltime Sta'te' Tr'ooper' on ~he 'Island. We
the request to the Superintendent of State Troopers at that time
bflt they did not have the manpower. We would certainly be happy to
make that request again. I don't know what the manpower situation
is now.
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Let me suggest this to you. I had lunch with Mr.
Bogart the other day and apparently the number of people have
increased over last year on Fishers Island. So Fred, maybe if they
could document it and send it to Assemblyman Behan and Senator
LaValle and the Town Board and we'll all make the same request.
Anyone else wish To address any of us here?
RESIDENT: To whom would I speak to about a sign that I think that
belongs on a road here on the Island as a safety measure. It is
a very bad curve where children ride bicycles.
SUPERVISOR PELL: There was a sign put up on ~"bad road for safety
measures such as '~Children At Play", or "Careful" or a sign like
that.
RESIDENT: It's not that, there is a curve in the road. I happen
to have driveway right there, right where the road comes up from
Jack Gada's place, where we can't get in to the road. We're fine
if people obey the speed limit but when they are racing by there
it's very dangerous.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Send a lette~ to my office and also speak to Mr.
Dean, Superintendent of Highways,while he is here today. We will
follow up. Is that a private road or a Town road?
RESIDENT: It's tee main road from the east end to the west end.
It's where the barracks are.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Right, that's a Town road. Speak to Mr. Dean.
Anybody else wish to address the Town Board?
RESIDENT: I'm a new resident here and I would just like to comment
that I think your Highway people did a super job this winter in
cleaning those roads up. I was pleasantly surprised how very
efficient your very small small highway crew did on the Island
during the winter months. They were always on top of all the snow
and cleaning brush back from along side the road. They did an
outstanding job. I just have a question. A long range thing on
the roads where roads start ~to slowty~deteriorate what' is the
process you go through to determine how long before there will
be major work done on them?
HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT DEAN replied directly to this question
in a private discussion with the resident.)
CANDY SANGER: I would like to go back to the. South Beach problem.
Could you explain to us with regard to South Beach, are we supposed
to have a lifeguard, bathrooms and Shower area or what is the problem?
SUPERVISOR PELL: If it is an official Town beach opened up to the
public. Mr. Villa, what are the requirements?
~OBERT VILLA, Suffolk County Department of Health Services: To obtain
a health department ~pc~mit there are three major requirements that
have to be considered: (1) water quality that exists on the property,
(2) there would have to be proper sanitary facilities and (3) there
would have to be proper lifesaving facilities. Without these require-
ments being met we would have to recommend the Town not allow bathing.
CANDY SANGER: Without meeting these requirements, does that mean
nobody can swim at that beach? Or no one would be allowed to use
that-be, ach?
~Discussion between Ms. Sanger and Mr. Villa.)
SUPERVISOR PELL: There is a legal problem that I want to dig into.
We lease so much property to the Fishers Island Ferry District and
~hey sublease it to the airport. Now, does that part st~ll--is that
part what we lease to the ferry district and they sublease to the
airport? I don't know until I get the agreement out and look at the
map. I will find out the answer and get back to you¥
RESIDENT: Is that related to a Town beach? Couldn't people living
in the Town have.a permit to use that beach?
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RESIDERS: Permit for nobody else but residents.
SUPERVISOR PELL: That could be made into a Town beach but it would
take things to bring it up to par as Mr. Villa says but it could be
done. Southold Town mainland we have six Town beaches that we have
outfitted. Other areas that people use. to swim at are officially by
the Town closed. There are signs up "T~is Beach Is Closed". But'we
have six public beaches on the mainland. This is something Mr. Doyen
could investigaze and report to the Town Board to go over. I will
get back to you.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: In regard to thav beach, Miss Sanger, I don't
think you're asking us to make that into a Town beach. If you
should wan~ that made into a Town beach we could do so but installing
those facilities that Mr. Villa indicated were necessary. At. that
time we would have to issue stickers for each vehicle that is going
· o park there. You could only prohibit parking. The public--if
tha~ is a Town beach--anyone from the public at large whether he
be from Fishers Island, the Town of Southold, the Town of Southampton
or Connecticu~ or Rhode Island could use that beach. We have, as Mr.
Pell said, six beaches in the Town, and they are used predominantly
by people from outside the Town or for one day trippers, I call them.
If tha~ is your desire to have a Town beach, as Chairman of your
Parks and Beach Committee we will look into it, but I don't think
that was your intent.
CANDY SANGER: I wan~ed to find out what the status was with it
and if were t~ become a "real Town beach" --
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: It is no~ a To~m beach, it is merely a piece
of property which the Supervisor indicated, is some confusion whether
it belongs to the Town and leased to the ferry district or whatever.
I think you bes~ let sleeping dogs lie and the problems you indicated,
as the Supervisor said, are really a matter of enforcemen~ so I am
sure that the chief of police is listening to this conversation and
will have a talk with our constables over here and the state troopers
and see that those enforcements that are necessary to accomplish what
you people of Fishers Island want is done.
CANDY SANGER: I agree with whaz you have said. I am glad now to
know that the police and constables do have a right to throw Who off?
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I'm thinking we shouldn't pursue this any further
or we may end up with everybody thrown off. So, I think this is a
problem ~hat can be handled by Judge Doyen, chief of polic~ and?
those constables here.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Who else wishes to address us? (No response.)
If not I will return to the Town Board and ask the Councilmen if
there is anything they would like to add. Larry?
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Just that we will meet at a quarter after
three at the boat so we can talk to Bob Traugott of Energy
Development.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Drum? (Nothing.) Councilman Nickles?
(Nothing.) C~uncilman Murphy? (Nothing.) Judge Doyen?
JUSTICE DOYEN: Abou~ eight and a half years ago I was approached
to represent Fishers Island on the Southold Town Board and also
b~ your Town Justice. I have found that in that period of time I
have had the opportunity to get great satisfaction in mostly helping
young people in the justice area and I klso go~ a lot of pleasure.:
in helping anyone. I hope whoever takes my place have the intent
to do the best that they know. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR PELL: We have, being prepared, a proclamation to
Judge Doyen honoring him for all the work he has done. He had
anticipated having it ready to present vo him today but it is no~
with us. I do not have the exac~ words that we have on this
thing for him but Francis, the Board will and wan~s to congratulate
you and thank you and a proclamation will be presented to you at
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probably the next Town Board meeting. My apologies for not having
it today to give To you. We appreciate all The effort over the years
that you have given to your Town and our Town. We thank you very
much.
On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that there being no further business to come before this
Town Board meeting adjournment be called at 2:20 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: CoUncilman Murphy, Councilman
Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen,
Supervisor Pell.
This resolutioh was declared duly adopted,
Town Clerk