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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-06/10/2025 PH 1 1 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD COUNTY OF SUFFOLK : STATE OF NEW YORK 2 ------------------------------------------- X 3 TOWN BOARD 4 REGULAR MEETING 5 ------------------------------------------- X 6 7 Southold, New York 8 June 10 , 2025 7 : 00 P . M. 9 10 11 12 13 14 B E F O R E : 15 16 ALBERT KRUPSKI JR, SUPERVISOR 17 LOUISA P . EVANS, JUSTICE 18 JILL DOHERTY, COUNCILWOMAN 19 GREG DOROSKI , COUNCILMAN 20 BRIAN O . MEALY, COUNCILMAN 21 ANNE H . SMITH, COUNCILWOMAN 22 23 24 25 JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 2 1 INDEX TO TESTIMONY 2 3 Public Comments 3-16 59-90 4 5 Subsidy Framework and Implementation Plan 16-58 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 3 1 PUBLIC COMMENTS 2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All 3 right . Is there anyone who would like 4 to speak before we start our meeting on 5 any agenda item? 6 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Good evening . 7 How are you? 8 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I ' m 9 good . Please identify yourself . 10 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Benjamin 11 Schwartz . I ' ve lived in Cutchogue for 12 the last 50 years or so . I ' m still 13 here . I ' m happy to be here . I saw you 14 had an agenda item where you were 15 appointing a new member to the Land 16 Preservation Committee . 17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes . 18 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : I appreciate 19 it, but I ' m thankful for the Land 20 Preservation agenda and all of the 21 taxpayer funds that have been collected 22 and are being spent . However, there 23 are some problems . I ' m not going to go 24 through all of them today, but we have 25 a new member joining the committee . So JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 4 1 I ' m hoping that maybe that member will 2 not play along with the game that ' s 3 been going on, excluding the public 4 from what the committee has been doing . 5 I ' m not going to get into the 6 technicalities of the law . It limits 7 the amount of discussions that are 8 permissible in Executive Sessions . But 9 they are not being respected by that 10 committee . That committee has a 11 default mode that they ' ve been 12 operating in for years . And anyone who 13 joins that committee knows that if they 14 join in, in those Executive Sessions , 15 excluding the public from what they are 16 doing with the money collected from the 17 public, they will be violating the law . 18 Besides the Executive Sessions , the 19 agendas for the Land Preservation 20 Committee do not allow public 21 attendance . Now, I have nothing 22 against computers . I ' m a web designer . 23 I think computers can be very useful . 24 But to limit public attendance to the 25 Zoom or on a telephone link so that JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 5 1 people can hear what ' s going on when 2 there are people at the meeting talking 3 over each other, and the people who are 4 on Zoom are only seeing what the camera 5 shows them . That is not the same as 6 being at the meeting . This has been 7 going on since year 2000 , when the 8 governor of the State of New York 9 declared an emergency statewide . He 10 said that public did not have to attend 11 the meetings because of the pandemic . 12 But that suspension of the law 13 requiring permitting the public to 14 attend the meetings that are supposed 15 to be open to the public, according to 16 the law, since the ' 70s at least, 17 ended . That ended and was rescinded in 18 2021 . New York State rescinded it . 19 And most parts of Southold Town 20 respected that . Not the Land 21 Preservation Committee . They -- 22 Recently we requested to attend the 23 meeting and were refused . When I 24 represented the individual who 25 requested to attend the meeting, she JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 6 1 was permitted . They were permitted to 2 -- people were permitted to attend the 3 meeting . But the public should not 4 have to fight to get into public 5 meetings . 6 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Mr . 7 Schwartz , can you say when that 8 approximation occurred? 9 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : That was May 10 6th . Last month . But the meetings 11 have been limited to Zoom for the last 12 four or five years . I do have a 13 chronology . I ' d be happy to share with 14 you, but basically we don ' t just need 15 to change the way the procedures that 16 they ' re following, we need to change 17 the attitude of that committee . And if 18 you wish to be what I believe you want 19 to be, is an inclusive government for 20 the Town of Southold, I ' d be happy to 21 work with you, see how that goes . 22 Right now, this one incident triggered 23 investigations . And the problem ' s with 24 all the committees . There ' s a new 25 Committee Handbook . It has an JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 7 1 Appendix, which cites in full the 2 statute by New York State of the open 3 -- I think it ' s the Open Meetings Law . 4 I don ' t think the whole FOIL law is 5 included . But to the contrary, to the 6 New York State law, which is included 7 in this document, the Local Law of the 8 Town of Southold is -- it ' s apparently 9 paraphrased, but it ' s incorrect . It ' s 10 the reverse of what the actual law is , 11 what ' s stated . And it ' s not all that 12 complicated . This -- somehow this 13 document was apparently approved by the 14 Town Board, the Town Attorney ' s Office . 15 There ' s just a whole mess of people 16 that were involved in this document . 17 What I don ' t find in this document is 18 who wrote it, who was responsibility, 19 where the buck stops here . Because 20 there are problems that need to be 21 addressed . So if you wish to address 22 them, I ' d be happy to help you . I 23 don ' t want to take up your time 24 tonight, but the Town of Southold Law 25 is incorporated in Section 1 . 1 . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 8 1 There ' s a very short introductory 2 Section 1 . But after that, Section 1 . 1 3 is essentially the first real section 4 of this new document . And it sites -- 5 Paraphrases Town of Southold LAW, two 6 sections , Section 101 , I think it ' s 102 7 and 103 , but it calls them both 102 or 8 something like that . They both have 9 the same section number . You can ' t 10 have two sections with the same section 11 number . It also cites the -- 12 paraphrases that part of that law that 13 says that these committees -- and right 14 in the title of the document it says 15 that this is about Volunteer Resident 16 Committees . Well , they don ' t all have 17 to be residents . The priority -- the 18 law says priority is given to 19 residents , but if we have a visitor or 20 someone who has knowledge and they ' re 21 willing to help us out, they should be 22 welcome . And as far as volunteering 23 go, this town is lucky to have had all 24 the volunteers throughout the years 25 that have been welcomed and JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 9 1 incorporated into the process . And 2 also the volunteers like myself, that 3 are not always so welcomed, and have 4 not been incorporated into the process . 5 And Supervisor Russell said I would 6 never be on a committee . Well , we ' ll 7 see, I ' m still young . Supervisor 8 Russell attended a Land Preservation 9 Committee meeting after the governor 10 had rescinded that order . I think it 11 was several years afterwards . And he 12 told that committee that they needed to 13 re-admit the public to their meetings 14 so that people could observe and see 15 what ' s going on . He didn ' t mention the 16 part about limiting the Executive 17 Session, but his statement is recorded 18 in the minutes of that meeting . It ' s 19 on the record . Now it ' s four years 20 later and there ' s still -- the public 21 is still being excluded . The top of 22 that agendas have no option for 23 attendance in person . The attendance 24 is limited by Zoom or telephone . Well . 25 I don ' t think we should be running the JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 10 1 government that way . And I hope that 2 it will change and maybe the new 3 appointee of that committee will help . 4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : We ' re 5 grateful that she ' s willing to 6 volunteer and we ' re sure that she ' ll be 7 an active participant . I don ' t know if 8 our Land Preservation Committee liaison 9 would like to say -- 10 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Yeah . 11 Our meetings are on Tuesday evenings at 12 7 o ' clock at the Annex upstairs in the 13 conference room, and we have had 14 people, they ' re open to the public . 15 There is seating in that room besides 16 the committee members -- 17 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : And you can 18 say whatever you want . If you ' re going 19 to contradict me -- 20 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : No, no, 21 no, I ' m just telling you my experience . 22 I would just -- what I am going to do 23 is -- 24 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Look at the 25 agenda . Read the agenda . You have -- JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 11 1 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Can you 2 just let her finish, please? You had 3 your time . 4 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : I know, but 5 she is saying that what I am saying was 6 not true . 7 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Well , 8 just let her -- 9 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : All I 10 know is that people have come to those 11 meetings just to listen until we get 12 into Executive Session . If they 13 want -- if they are invited because 14 they ' re presenting something, then of 15 course they ' re on the agenda to speak . 16 But basically that ' s how the meetings 17 have gone . I will look at what is 18 giving you the impression that people 19 aren ' t able to comment . There ' s 20 something written in there that ' s 21 wrong . We ' ll correct that . People are 22 able to also participate by Zoom, which 23 they do in terms of being at the 24 meeting, but it ' s not the only way -- 25 at least it shouldn ' t be . I don ' t know JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 12 1 why that ' s your impression . 2 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : You said 3 participate, I think you meant observe . 4 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : That ' s 5 how all of the committees are run 6 unless we have people on the agenda or 7 it ' s a discussion of some kind . Most 8 committees -- people can attend 9 meetings , but they don ' t always 10 participate . 11 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Do you feel 12 that observing via Zoom is the 13 equivalent of observing in person? 14 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : 15 Absolutely, not . 16 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Thank you . 17 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : But we 18 do allow people to attend in person . 19 I ' m not sure why . 20 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Well , I could 21 bring in a witness who will tell you 22 that they were refused to come in 23 person . 24 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : I will 25 look into it -- JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 13 1 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : -- the agenda 2 since the pandemic . Since the 3 pandemic . That agenda has not 4 reinserted the invitation . 5 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Okay . 6 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : You know, 7 there ' s some very good things in this 8 Committee Handbook . 9 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : If 10 there ' s a correction in there, I can 11 make sure we take care of that . 12 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : You know, I 13 mean, it ' s a handbook . 14 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : It ' s 15 meant to guide new members who are 16 joining committees . 17 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Well , first of 18 all , to guide anybody, it has to be 19 available . 20 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : It ' s on 21 the website . 22 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Where ? 23 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Under 24 the tab that says Government 25 Committees . It ' s one of the first tabs JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 14 1 -- 2 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : That ' s not the 3 website . It is the Laserfiche . 4 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : It ' s 5 also there . 6 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : No, that ' s 7 where it is . 8 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : I was 9 told and shown by the IT Department 10 today that it ' s now there as a tab . 11 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : On the 12 southoldtown . ny . gov? 13 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : On the 14 Town website . 15 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : There is not a 16 Town website . There are about six 17 website ' s -- official website ' s . This 18 time there ' s one main website . It ' s 19 not on that . 20 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : I was 21 shown that it was there today, and IT 22 was able to open it . So I ' ll see why 23 you -- 24 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : On the 25 Laserfiche . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 15 1 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Benjamin, 2 can we ask you to -- 3 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Sure, I ' ll 4 come back at the end of the meeting . 5 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Yeah, thank 6 you . 7 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Thank you . 8 TOWN ATTORNEY PAUL DECHANCE : Let 9 me remind everybody that comments prior 10 to a hearing would pertain to the 11 matters on the agenda . Those that do 12 not pertain to the matters on the 13 agenda should wait until the end of the 14 meeting . 15 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Well , thank 16 you . Thank you, sir . 17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Is 18 there anyone who ' d like to speak to any 19 item that is listed on the agenda 20 before we vote? 21 (No Response) . 22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I see 23 none , and I have to suitly acknowledge 24 our colleague , Justice Evans from 25 Fishers Island, who was here all day . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 16 1 Glad you made it back home safe . 2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 3 SUBSIDY FRAMEWORK AND IMPLEMENTATION PLAN 4 TOWN CLERK DENIS NONCARROW : So 5 the purpose of tonight ' s public hearing 6 is to consider an implementation plan 7 and subsidy framework system for the 8 Community Housing Fund expenditures , 9 which implementation plan and subsidy 10 framework, shall be an amendment to the 11 Community Housing Plan, and future 12 changes shall be adopted by the Town 13 Board by resolution . Legal notices for 14 this public hearing are published no 15 less than ten days prior to the public 16 hearing in an eligible legal Town 17 newspaper . The Town Clerk ' s Office has 18 received the Affidavit of Service from 19 that newspaper, indicating that the 20 notice was properly published . The 21 Town Clerk file also includes an 22 Affidavit of Posting of the public 23 hearing on the Town Clerk bulletin 24 board at Town Hall . 25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Mr . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 17 1 DeChance, has the hearing been properly 2 noticed? 3 TOWN ATTORNEY PAUL DECHANCE : Yes , 4 Mr . Supervisor . The notice documents 5 are in order . 6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 7 you . Now before we start the public 8 hearing and comment period, Town 9 Attorney Julie McGivney is going to 10 give us some information about the 11 implementation plan for the subsidies . 12 And it will be -- and this is the 13 result of the all -- a lot of hard work 14 of some of these Board members up here, 15 as well as , some of the community 16 members that are here tonight, and I do 17 appreciate the work and the insight and 18 we ' re after years of work . We ' re 19 finally here with the public hearing . 20 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 21 MCGIVNEY : Good evening, before we 22 begin the presentation, I would like to 23 recap how we arrived here today, and 24 that is due to the housing shortage, 25 the Peconic Bay Community Housing Act JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 18 1 authorizes the Town to collect a half a 2 percent transfer tax to create a fund 3 for housing . Included in that, the 4 Town is required to establish a 5 Community Housing Plan, which has been 6 done and adopted . And pursuant to the 7 plan, the Town has to create an 8 implementation plan for the process , as 9 well as , a framework for subsidies for 10 projects . Just so you know, the 11 framework and the implementation plan 12 are based off of a project that would 13 be developed as opposed to assisting a 14 first time homeowner . And that ' s 15 because we have some projects that have 16 been in discussions . So as this is a 17 document that will continue to be 18 changed and updated, we will also be 19 including things when it is applicable . 20 Like for the down payment assistance . 21 So, let me move to the next . Okay . So 22 the funds are authorized to be used for 23 the following reasons . Financial 24 assistance for first time homeowners , 25 production of community housing for JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 19 1 eligible individuals , production of 2 community -- excuse me . Production of 3 housing for sale and for rent when the 4 town partners with the public or 5 private partnership . Additionally, 6 rehabilitation of existing buildings , 7 acquisition, interest in real property, 8 and counseling services . So, as I 9 said, this is going to be based off of 10 a project based project . The 11 pre-submission meeting obviously it ' s 12 not a requirement in the implementation 13 plan ; however, strongly advised because 14 you need to have some zoning, as well 15 as , any sanitary flow credits . At the 16 bottom, you can see that I ' ve included 17 what happens with the Village . If the 18 Village opts to -- opt into this 19 implementation plan and community plan, 20 they would have to go through the 21 Village process and then come to the 22 Town for the funds . They wouldn ' t go 23 to this Planning Department . So it ' s 24 just a side note . So the next is a 25 notice of funding availability . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 20 1 Probably annually in the beginning of 2 the year, the Town will put out a 3 statement or release a statement 4 stating how much money is in the fund, 5 and how they ' ll be allocating it . For 6 instance, they could say this year, 7 we ' re going to designate two million 8 dollars to go towards production for 9 housing with private partnerships and a 10 million dollars for down assistance 11 payment . Excuse me . Down payment 12 assistance . And then on to the request 13 for applications . So the Town will put 14 out a request for applications for any 15 project . The application will normally 16 include a narrative of viable project . 17 Explaining what it would be, where it 18 will be , etcetera . The experience of 19 the developer, the builder, the funding 20 sources that they will be looking for 21 besides the Town, and how they will 22 handle post-award monitoring . Once 23 that ' s done, the applications start 24 coming in, then they ' ll be submitted to 25 the Town Clerk and the government JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 21 1 liaison then, as well as , the Community 2 Housing Team will take them from the 3 Clerk and go through them . They will 4 make sure that all the documents are 5 included and that they have what they 6 need to be able to give this to the 7 Community Housing Advisory Board . 8 Pursuant to the statute, the Community 9 Housing Advisory Board is required to 10 be established with -- it has seven to 11 ten members . One has to be in the 12 banking community, one must be in the 13 real estate community . This group is 14 the ones that go over the applications 15 and suggest to the Town Board whether 16 or not they ' re a viable project . If 17 they make that recommendation, the Town 18 Board will discuss it . They ' ll 19 determine whether or not they want to 20 approve it . If so, then the contract 21 will be sent out to the developer . And 22 then a public hearing -- when the 23 contract comes back, a public hearing 24 will be scheduled . And at that point, 25 that the Town will know exactly JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 22 1 everything about the project . Once the 2 project is in contract, then there ' ll 3 be covenants and restrictions that will 4 have to be filed, and that will be to 5 ensure affordability and perpetuity . 6 Also, there ' ll be a funding 7 disbursement schedule . Again, 8 depending on the project, it ' s how the 9 funding disbursement schedule will go . 10 Performance bond will be required . 11 When and how the project will be 12 completed, how they are going to do 13 post-reward monitoring . And then also, 14 if it ' s for rentals , they would be 15 required to -- the projects would be 16 required to have annual reporting to 17 make sure that the tenants are in 18 compliance with the regulations for 19 Affordable Housing . Once that ' s done , 20 then the project said it ' s basically 21 complete . Now we ' re gonna look back 22 and we ' re gonna go back over the 23 timetable of events . And I ' m gonna say 24 how long did this take ? What could we 25 have done differently? Double checking JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 23 1 to see, was the project effective or 2 was the process effective ? The Town 3 Board will ask for feedback from the 4 community . The Community Housing 5 Advisory Board, which are probably now 6 here more often called CRAB, and from 7 developers . Any policies that need to 8 be updated will be done and the Town 9 Board will make any resolutions for 10 changes , if they have to . The plan is 11 required to be updated every five 12 years ; however, because it ' s a new 13 plan, it will most likely be updated 14 every year for any changes that come . 15 So that ' s the basic idea behind the 16 implementation plan . It is skeletal at 17 best because this is a new territory . 18 So the Town will be going through this 19 as a first time . So, we move on . 20 Okay . So that was the implementation 21 plan . The next is the subsidy 22 framework . So this again is a guide 23 that shows how the Town will allocate 24 funds for a project to establish 25 community housing . Here we go . The JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 24 1 subsidy framework, this had been 2 formulated before the implementation 3 plan . And there was a public 4 information session on it . I ' m going 5 to go through it though and basically 6 go through the examples of how they 7 arrived at the different subsidy 8 amount . So the Housing Department and 9 the Planners and the Housing Advisory 10 Committee, when this plan was put 11 together, they had to come up with a 12 way of allocating funds . So they 13 wanted to make sure that they were 14 transparent and everybody could 15 understand why this person got this and 16 why this person . So they had to come 17 up with a formula for that . So if 18 you ' ll see at the top, it says 19 "priority area" and then It says "bonus 20 per unit" and then amount per unit if 21 they subsidy is $55 , 000 and then 22 rationale . So the Town came up -- 23 excuse me . I keep saying the Town . 24 They came up with $ 55 , 000 as being the 25 subsidy amount per unit . So that would JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 25 1 go for any project . And then as you 2 see, looks to the next line on adaptive 3 reuse, if you ' re gonna use an existing 4 structure, they ' re gonna give you a 500 5 bonus . So that would be an additional 6 $27 , 500 and that would be to support 7 the logistics of repurposing existing 8 buildings and keeping the community 9 character . Deeper affordability . What 10 that means is that if you ' re going to 11 have a project with services families 12 that are up to the 80% AMI , then you ' re 13 going to get a 20% bonus . And that is 14 because that will help offset the 15 reduced revenue for the developers 16 because of the lower income rents that 17 that would be collected . The septic 18 upgrade of 20% bonus , home ownership 19 opportunities would be a 20% bonus . 20 And the reason for that one is to 21 incentivize long-term stability in the 22 community . After that, it ' s diversity 23 of unit sizes . I know there was talk 24 today about somewhere in between that . 25 The 10% bonus for two units or more JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 26 1 versus the 15% bonus for four units or 2 more -- four bedrooms or more, excuse 3 me . I think that three bedroom 4 families were considered . Again, this 5 is just a framework to get started . If 6 it ends up being that that is what the 7 Town Board decides , and they can do a 8 resolution to change that . And then to 9 go down further, environment stability . 10 That ' s solar panels , maybe, or Green 11 Energy Star . And then the last one is 12 proximity to public transit . So that 13 would be a 10% bonus if you were going 14 to half a mile of public transit . 15 Those are the subsidy framework . 16 That ' s the subsidy framework . And now 17 the next page is , I don ' t know if you 18 saw this before but these are just 19 three examples of different projects . 20 This is not a project that is even 21 being discussed . These are made up . 22 Just to show you different ways . So 23 Project A is for 10 one-bedroom 24 apartments . So the base subsidy is 25 $ 55 , 000 . And if you see the JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 27 1 development cost based subsidy under 2 Number 1 . So 10 one-bedroom rentals 3 would be $ 550 , 000 subsidy . Number 2 , 4 if you are going to use building over 5 adaptive reuse, you will also receive 6 the base times 10 times the 500 , would 7 be an extra $275 . Sceptic upgrade 8 would be another 200 . Proximity to 9 transit was another 100 . So all told, 10 this particular project, if it were 11 going to be approved, would have 12 subsidies of up to $ 990 , 000 . The next 13 one is a project that is maybe going to 14 have 24 two-bedroom home ownership 15 units . So the base subsidy stays the 16 same at $55 , 000 per unit . And you 17 would have 24 two-bedroom units . That 18 would be a total of $ 1 , 320 , 000 just for 19 the units themselves . The priority 20 bonus subsidies added to that, the 21 diversity of unit size , home ownership 22 opportunities , those are calculated and 23 included . And this particular -- 24 particular project would have a subsidy 25 of $ 1 , 716, 000 . The last one is 8 JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 28 1 four-bedroom mixed income units . So 2 Number 1 , 8 four-bedroom units is 3 $ 440 , 000 and then the priority bonuses 4 would be the diversity of unit size, 5 deeper affordability, environmental 6 sustainability . Again, these are all 7 just examples of different ways of 8 formulating the subsidies . And that 9 would bring this particular project, a 10 total subsidy of $ 638 , 000 . So those 11 are just a couple of the examples of 12 how the subsidies will work . And this 13 is so that everyone that is on board 14 and everyone knows up front, this is 15 how much money ' s available and 16 everyone ' s having the opportunity to 17 apply for every different subsidy and 18 it will be transparent and across the 19 board . Everyone will be treated 20 fairly . So that is the basis of the 21 subsidy framework . I probably went 22 over that a little quicker because I 23 know there was an information session 24 about it already; however, it ' s also on 25 the website if you wanted to go back JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 29 1 and take a look at it again . So that 2 is really the implementation plan and 3 framework that the Town Board is going 4 to vote on . If the vote is that they 5 adopt it, then this is basically going 6 to be the guideline for how projects 7 can proceed . And I hope that we start, 8 you know, proceeding as soon as 9 possible . 10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Julie, 11 thank you very much for that . And 12 before we take any other comments , is 13 there anything any thing for a Town 14 Board member would like to add to, 15 explain to -- 16 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Yes , I want 17 to thank Mark from the Planning 18 Department and Julie . Ann and myself 19 have had a lot of hours working with 20 them . And they ' ve really collaborated 21 and come up with this . And Julie ' s 22 really dealt through all the different 23 sections of the code and the statute 24 that we have to go by . So it ' s really, 25 you know, well thought out vetted JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 30 1 process . This is just the beginning as 2 we ' ve said that we have the framework 3 of the housing, and we ' ve got to put 4 the wheels on now on the framework . 5 And this is just a couple of spokes . 6 The next -- once we get this done, the 7 group will be working on subsidies for 8 individuals for gaining access to 9 attainable housing . So that will come 10 next . But for this , just for tonight, 11 we ' re talking about the subsidies for 12 contractors , as Julie explained it . 13 And it ' s complicated issues , a lot more 14 going on with it . So if anybody has 15 any questions or comments , that ' s what 16 we ' re here for . 17 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Yeah, 18 and I would just like to add, again, 19 thank you to Jill and the Housing 20 Advisory Board, who spent many hours or 21 well over a year, I think, creating the 22 actual plan that we ' re now 23 implementing . And also as a former 24 resident volunteer on the Housing 25 Advisory Commission, and now as a JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 31 1 liaison, thank our HAC, we have one HAC 2 member here today, for their persistent 3 work over the years and advocating to 4 solve this really important issue that 5 we ' re facing in the Town . And again 6 I ' ll echo thanks to Julie and to Mara 7 and Mark . The diligence that went into 8 this , we did have several opportunities 9 to talk about this at work session . We 10 brought in actual developers to make 11 sure they saw that it made sense in the 12 variety in ways that they might be 13 approaching a project . Also checking 14 out what the other towns are doing in 15 their process . I feel really confident 16 in this application process , in the 17 vetting process , and our ability to, as 18 Jill said, finally get going with 19 getting some of these projects off the 20 ground and supporting the members of 21 our community who are struggling to 22 find affordable places to live and 23 thrive in our community . So thanks , 24 Jill , and thanks , everybody . 25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 32 1 right . So you ' ve seen the presentation 2 by Julie . Thank you very much . Would 3 anyone like to comment on the subsidy 4 framework? 5 ROBERT DUNN : I just have a 6 question about the third example you 7 gave us when the eight units , three 8 bedrooms , was the last set . 9 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 10 MCGIVNEY : The 8 four-bedroom mixed 11 income units . 12 ROBERT DUNN : Mixed income . Yes . 13 So that would mean that would mean they 14 could be lower income people or higher 15 income people , right? 16 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 17 MCGIVNEY : Correct . 18 ROBERT DUNN : But the town would 19 still be subsidizing the unit for the 20 higher income people because they ' d be 21 paying for rent? 22 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 23 MCGIVNEY : No . Well , the higher income, 24 there ' s the income limits for 25 affordability . That ' s what I was JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 33 1 saying, the 80o AMI . And I believe -- 2 ROBERT DUNN : So if you made more 3 than that, you don ' t get in there at 4 all ? Is that it? 5 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 6 MCGIVNEY : No, that ' s not it . Some 7 affordable ' s can be 80o AMI or 1000 8 AMI . They have they can allocate how 9 many units that they want to have the 10 80o AMI or 100o AMI . This could also 11 add in what I believe you ' re speaking 12 to which is market rate . 13 ROBERT DUNN : Correct . 14 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 15 MCGIVNEY : Yes , so that they there 16 would be no subsidies for market rate 17 It ' s based on affordability . All 18 affordable housing . 19 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : And I ' ll 20 add these funds are going to the 21 developer in order to afford to build 22 it and then sustain -- 23 ROBERT DUNN : Yes . You ' re giving 24 him the money up front or her to build 25 it . But then he rents you that at JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 34 1 market where -- 2 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 3 MCGIVNEY : They can ' t . 4 ROBERT DUNN : Okay . That ' s all I 5 wanted to know . 6 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 7 MCGIVNEY : I probably went over it a 8 little quick . I ' m sorry . Now they 9 have to -- they ' ll be covered in 10 covenants and restrictions and have to 11 be filed Affordable Housing in a 12 Affordable Housing District . Those 13 rules will also ensure that the 14 affordability stays . 15 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : The 16 Town has been quite an investment here . 17 So to start with you know, you ' ve got 18 those two committees , the Housing 19 Advisory Committee and then that 20 community Housing Advisory Board . 21 ROBERT DUNN : I ' m sure you have . 22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : But 23 then we ' ve got the Community Housing 24 Fund . 25 ROBERT DUNN : -- leaving here with JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 35 1 doubt . 2 ROBERT DUNN : But then we ' ve just 3 hired somebody . So years ago the 4 government liaison who was originally 5 hired 20 plus years ago, to work on 6 affordable housing . A few years ago, 7 the Town Board put more housing 8 responsibilities into that office . And 9 now we ' ve just hired someone to work in 10 that office . So the Town ' s made, not 11 only is this subsidy less something 12 that will help actually build units , 13 but we ' ve got that whole infrastructure 14 that ' s got to be in place . Because to 15 your point, you know, if you ' re in an 16 affordable housing, either rental , in a 17 rental unit, you have to apply for, you 18 know, a yearly permit . And on the 19 agenda tonight, we just had a transfer 20 of cottages , which is an Affordable 21 Housing Community there in Mattituck . 22 One was just transferred to someone, 23 but you ' ve got to do all the 24 verification on, you know, first time 25 home buyer and all those things has to JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 36 1 be done . So the Town ' s made a huge 2 investment in that infrastructure to 3 support the Affordable Housing Program. 4 And I tell you, I give a lot of credit 5 to a lot of people in the community, 6 who have worked for years to get to 7 today . 8 ROBERT DUNN : And the cottages all 9 have a deed restriction on them . If 10 they want to transfer the deed, they 11 have to get approval -- 12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes . 13 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : There was a 14 contract on years ago before they 15 bought it they knew they can only cap 16 out it so much . 17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So 18 it ' s affordable . 19 ROBERT DUNN : This whole thing 20 with housing is going to get a lot 21 worse out here . And it ' s going to 22 affect the economy . Because what with 23 the pressure that ' s coming from the 24 White House now and for the next 4 25 years about getting undocumented out . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 37 1 So those people are going to get 2 nervous . Some of them are going to 3 leave on their own . Some of them will 4 get pushed out . And then we have a 5 problem of affordability . You could 6 find yourself two years , three years 7 down the road with big employment 8 shortages here for the farmers , for the 9 retailers . You know, on a lower scale 10 job . 11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : We 12 have that across the whole range of -- 13 the whole range of employees . 14 ROBERT DUNN : If a president is 15 successful and she can have them out or 16 frighten you so they go home , it ' s 17 going to be getting even tighter . So 18 you are going to need some of these 19 people who live . Otherwise, they ' re 20 going to go live for the job or they ' re 21 going to get jobs where they live . 22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 23 you . Yes , sir . 24 OZ HANLEY : Hi , I don ' t need to 25 mic . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 38 1 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No, 2 you know, we have to, for the record . 3 OZ HANLEY : Hi , and thank you very 4 much for your presentation . I have a 5 couple of -- 6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I ' m 7 sorry, you have to state your name -- 8 OZ HANLEY : Rumpel stiltskin, no . 9 My name is Oz Hanley, I ' m a recent 10 resident . I ' ve lived here for about 11 two years in Southold . And I ' m happy 12 to be involved and I ' m interested in 13 housing . I was a housing attorney in 14 New York City for 50 years . So this is 15 something that ' s kind of about my 16 alley . Affordable in many ways . A 17 couple of broad questions that I have 18 is the implementation plan was prepared 19 by this Board? Was the implementation 20 plan put together that ' s on the 21 website ? I assume this is on the 22 website , right? 23 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes . 24 It was The Special Committee that CRAB 25 were referring to that worked on this JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 39 1 plan, and it was a requirement of the 2 law, the Community Housing Fund Law 3 that was passed by the Town -- enabled 4 by the State, passed by the Town to 5 collect money from the transfer tax to 6 fund these projects . 7 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : The statute 8 to implement the housing plan came from 9 the governor, so it came from the 10 State . 11 OZ HANLEY : Okay . Thank you . 12 Now, with respect -- And this is the 13 broad question of what ' s the 14 expectation in terms of, you know, past 15 experience and perhaps hopeful going 16 forward with the amount of money that 17 this fund -- this Community Housing 18 Fund can raise? Is it a million? 19 Because it seems to me that there ' s a 20 lot of money that could be eaten up 21 with one project, if you only raise $2 22 million . 23 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : That ' s 24 absolutely true . Southold collects 25 only based on what the real estate JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 40 1 transfers are . And so there is 2 definitely a limit . There ' s also a 3 limit, and there was something that was 4 in the presentation, the sanitary flow 5 credits . We collect, every time we 6 preserve a piece of open space that 7 would have been available for 8 development, we take those sanitary 9 flow credits off, and we put them in a 10 bank . So when people need higher 11 density in certain areas for some of 12 these housing projects , we give them to 13 the developer and in working with the 14 Health Department, Suffolk County 15 Health Department, the sanitary flow 16 credits to enable that higher density 17 there . So we have those that are 18 banked . But as open space, we ' ve 19 preserved an awful lot of open space in 20 town . So there is just a quantifiable 21 number of those . 22 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : So there ' s 23 other ways that we can give subsidies 24 besides -- 25 OZ HANLEY : Right, I was going to JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 41 1 ask, does that add to the 2 subsidization? 3 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Yes . 4 OZ HANLEY : Okay . And I assume 5 the subsidies to the developers are -- 6 come to some tax reform as well ? 7 They ' re not taxable to the developer? 8 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : That ' s 9 a good question . 10 OZ HANLEY : The funds . 11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I ' m 12 looking at Julie . 13 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 14 MCGIVNEY : I ' m looking at the 15 Supervisor . 16 OZ HANLEY : And I don ' t know . 17 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 18 MCGIVNEY : Are you talking about tax 19 credits from the State or from the 20 community? 21 OZ HANLEY : No, I ' m talking about 22 subsidies . The list that you just went 23 through comes out of the Community 24 Housing Fund . That money that comes 25 out, it ' s , you know, $ 55 , 000 and then JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 42 1 the other, which adds up to about, I 2 think, for one of your projects , almost 3 a million dollars . I ' d just like to 4 know if that is something that the 5 developer or -- I assume it doesn ' t 6 have to be a professional developer . 7 Could it be somebody like myself who 8 buys a piece of property here and 9 decides that I want to build a 10 Affordable Housing? 11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes , 12 yes . I mean to qualify, I mean you 13 need to have some -- you should rather 14 you should have some experience in the 15 construction trades , right . You know 16 it ' s a comp -- that ' s a complicated 17 business in itself with a lot of 18 regulatory partners that are suddenly 19 your regulatory partners business . 20 OZ HANLEY : Right . 21 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So it 22 is usually going to attract people who 23 have some experience in that arena . 24 OZ HANLEY : Okay . So we ' ll wait 25 for a future answer on the taxable JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 43 1 cost? 2 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : I would say 3 that that would be for the person 4 receiving the funds on how they run 5 their business and what their business 6 is . And they would have tax 7 consequences on whatever it is . 8 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : 9 Contact my office, please . We ' ll get 10 you an answer . 11 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 12 MCGIVNEY : The subsidies though are for 13 the developer to defray its costs , so I 14 don ' t know that that ' s not income . I 15 don ' t know quite sure -- I ' m not quite 16 sure . I don ' t see it as something as 17 being a taxable event, but I ' m not 18 quite sure that accounting would 19 definitely -- 20 OZ HANLEY : I would neither . I 21 was just wondering if there ' s something 22 in the local code that I wasn ' t aware 23 of that might have happened . 24 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : There ' s 25 nothing in the State Statute and JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 44 1 nothing in the local code . 2 OZ HANLEY : All right . Broadly 3 speaking, is there any sort of a goal 4 over the next two, three, five, ten 5 years that is hopeful that will create 6 any given number of units ? I mean, is 7 there a goal of creating 10 units ? Is 8 there a goal of creating 20 ? 9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No, 10 because it ' s an opportunity to find 11 someone who ' s capable of building 12 something . And then operating within 13 this framework of these subsidies . And 14 sometimes they layer other subsidies , 15 getting money from State -- County, 16 State, Or Federal monies to layer in to 17 help pay for the project . But that ' s 18 going to be their business model . So 19 then you consider the cost of the 20 supply chain of construction materials 21 and labor . It ' s going to be -- we ' re 22 optimistic that we will create 23 Affordable Housing . 24 OZ HANLEY : Well , with no specific 25 idea of a goal of so many units per JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 45 1 year? 2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : The 3 money would be intended to spend it . 4 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : And when we 5 were implementing -- I was the liaison 6 for the group that put this plan 7 together . And we had lengthy 8 conversations of that . And there ' s so 9 many variables that it ' s hard to 10 quantify, you know, amounts of units 11 and everything . And you know, of 12 course, we ' d love to say, oh, well you 13 know, we have this many people needing 14 houses . We ' d love to fill this void . 15 But it ' s really hard to say -- I mean 16 we first of all , we need people to step 17 forward to, you know, develop under 18 this program, which is a very difficult 19 thing to do because it ' s not a money 20 maker . And also, real estate is so 21 fluctuate . Look at it now, real estate 22 is down . It ' s really hard to quantify 23 a goal of how many units we perceive in 24 a year or two years or three years or 25 four years . We do have some -- several JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 46 1 consultants , contractors that we ' re 2 working with . We have two viable 3 projects that we feel will move 4 forward . One sooner than the other . 5 So we ' re very hopeful that we ' re going 6 to get units on the ground within the 7 next few years . 8 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Right . 9 Just if I can add to that . There was a 10 discussion when we were putting the 11 implementation plan together, whether 12 we were going to establish a goal , but 13 we felt like that would be more demand 14 based . You know, we know there ' s a 15 great need in the community . There ' s 16 hundreds of people on the Affordable 17 Housing List, but we felt like it 18 didn ' t really address the supply 19 constraints . And we felt like it made 20 sense to actually put the plan 21 together . Start rolling out some 22 projects . Look to see exactly how much 23 money the plan brought in . And 24 currently in the account, there ' s about 25 $2 . 5 million that we ' ve collected in a JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 47 1 little over a year . 2 OZ HANLEY : Thank you . I was 3 going to ask you that . 4 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Yeah . 5 We feel like that ' s good, but as you 6 look at the cost of housing, it ' s not a 7 lot . If you look at some of the State 8 tax credits , they ' re receiving $350 , 000 9 per unit . So if the Town, for sake of 10 argument, was to do something similar, 11 we ' re only talking about a really 12 limited number of units . This is 13 where, as we ' re looking at the 14 framework, we give some consideration 15 to other sources of income that 16 developers are receiving . And we felt 17 like it made sense just to focus our 18 efforts on getting the plan in action . 19 We have , as Jill mentioned, two 20 developers that we feel have feasible 21 projects , and this is really the first 22 step to giving them the money that they 23 need from the town side, to get these 24 projects going . I do think over time 25 it does warrant a discussion of what JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 48 1 the priorities are, what the goals are, 2 and we can potentially look at other 3 funding sources . This is just one 4 revenue stream. And other towns have 5 let ' s say used bonding to purchase 6 parcels of land . There ' s different 7 models that we can employ here . This 8 really is just part of this Community 9 Housing Fund -- 10 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Which is a 11 living document and continue to be a 12 living document . It ' s -- We ' re never 13 going to get to the point where , okay, 14 we ' re done . This time ' s changed, I 15 mean, what happened in the last five 16 years . So this is a fluid thing that 17 we ' re just going to keep building and 18 as we experience , it ' s going to get 19 better and better . And I do want to 20 mention the Town had an existing 21 housing account, which has a million in 22 it . So all total , we have about three 23 and a half million . 24 OZ HANLEY : Okay, great . 25 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 49 1 MCGIVNEY : Sorry, I just wanted to add 2 to that . Also, I think to start the 3 every year when there ' s a Notice of 4 Availability comes out, that would be a 5 better start as to how much money that 6 their goal is to spend that particular 7 year . If it was , as I said before , 8 about down payment assistance, maybe a 9 million dollars this year . And that 10 would probably be the best way to start 11 their goals because for all the reasons 12 that they have, the Town Board members . 13 OZ HANLEY : Well , the irony in 14 some of this is that, you know, as the 15 cost of houses goes up and up and up, 16 you ' re going to raise more money, then 17 it ' s going to make a lot of that 18 housing uncomfortable . You know, to 19 the new people who are moving in . Okay . 20 I thank you, sir, very much for your 21 time . I just have two more questions . 22 I assume none of this applies to ADU ' s ; 23 right? ADU ' s are a totally separate 24 category? Any of this money would be 25 used for ADU ' s ? JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 50 1 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : They 2 haven ' t subsidized yet . I have met 3 with other East End towns , and that is 4 part of the discussion because the 5 other East End towns also have this 6 fund . Everyone ' s kind of in the same 7 boat . Trying to figure out the best 8 way to utilize it . And, you know, near 9 a point of housing, to utilize it as 10 quickly as possible . 11 OZ HANLEY : All right . 12 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : And this 13 plan is stackable with other programs . 14 OZ HANLEY : Has there been any 15 thought to giving developers a real 16 estate credit -- 17 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : So in order 18 to do some kind of abatement, the Town 19 would have to get approve from the 20 State . So we ' re not doing that right 21 now . 22 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : And one 23 thing, you know, local municipalities 24 that you can consider, and this could 25 be another potential subsidies . You JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 51 1 know, State can provide the tax 2 abatement . There ' s a question whether 3 we could use the money collected to 4 make the Town whole on those taxes that 5 would have been collected . Real estate 6 taxes are how the Town funds our 7 activities . And one of the concerns 8 with, for instance, the use of co-op ' s , 9 there ' s a lower tax base for them. And 10 the challenge of budgeting is real . 11 Especially as the cost of healthcare 12 goes up . And something that we really 13 need to look at, something that, you 14 know, our State representatives are 15 looking at . It ' s not as simple as just 16 getting a local law pass . It ' s really 17 looking at how we fill those gaps . 18 OZ HANLEY : Great, one final 19 question . With respect to the changes 20 that are going on now in the Zoning 21 Resolution, how are they being thought 22 about in terms of degrading it in with 23 the implementation plan? Or does it 24 gotta be land upon which you either -- 25 If you find land to build this stuff JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 52 1 on, the land has to be zoned for 2 residential use . Is that being 3 coordinated somehow with the change in 4 the Zoning Resolution and the 5 implementation plan? 6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes , 7 and we ' ve got a lot of opportunities to 8 listen to the public about that and 9 about where they ' d be located . And 10 also, speaking to businesses , there ' s 11 something that was put into the Zoning 12 update that would allow caretaker units 13 for businesses , which will relieve some 14 of the pressure . Because they could 15 build their own . And if they ' re 16 building a caretaker unit on a business 17 site , the Town doesn ' t have to be the 18 manager there . They ' re going to be the 19 manager who they hire . It ' s going to 20 be their employees . And so it just 21 relieves some of the pressure on every 22 other housing stock . 23 OZ HANLEY : All right . Perhaps 24 this is my final question . The 25 Community Housing Fund money, is that JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 53 1 going to be used both for development 2 of the housing, as well as , the 3 subsidies for the tenants who may live 4 in them? 5 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Yes , as 6 we ' re explaining, our next project is 7 to develop that . 8 OZ HANLEY : Okay . All right . 9 Thank you very much . I ' m sorry to 10 take . It so much too late . 11 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : No, no . 12 That ' s all right . 13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Good 14 questions . Thank you . We ' re learning 15 a lot . 16 ERIC MCCLURE : Hi . Eric McClure, 17 Mattituck . I just wanted to commend 18 the work that ' s been done on the 19 Housing Plan and the subsidy framework . 20 I think it seems very thoughtful , and 21 the structure seems to make a lot of 22 sense . I was happy to read in the East 23 End Beacon today that the Love Lane 24 project is probably in line for support 25 from the Community Housing Plan, which JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 54 1 I think would be great . It ' s been a 2 long time since the Capital One 3 building has been empty . So it would 4 be great to see that move forward, 5 especially with the projected structure 6 for that project . So I just wanted to 7 say good work and thank you . 8 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 9 you . Anyone else like to comment? 10 (No Response) . 11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : 12 Checking for Zoom. 13 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I 14 apologize if I didn ' t see your hand 15 raised . 16 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : I ' m on the 17 Housing Advisory Committee . I ' ve been 18 commissioned -- hey, how are you? And 19 I ' ve been on for, I think like five, 20 six years now, something like that . 21 Anyway, what we had talked about 22 before -- what you talked about before, 23 this is a long time coming . And I 24 think all the work that the Community 25 Housing Group did and all the work that JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 55 1 all of you are doing legally, and all 2 of that is awesome . We ' re getting very 3 excited . Our commission is really 4 advocacy . And we also look at things 5 that the Town send us to see , you know, 6 get our opinions on because we do live 7 here also . And I think this -- I ' m 8 really excited . We ' re all excited that 9 we ' re finally going to see some things . 10 And as far as the questions that this 11 gentleman asked about the subsidy . As 12 far as the rest of the Community 13 Housing Plan, there are places in that 14 Community Housing Plan for people who 15 are doing ADU ' s and also people who are 16 first time home buyers and things like 17 that . That Community Housing Plan took 18 a while and the people that worked on 19 it, my hats off to them because they 20 really and truly -- we all got serious 21 about this finally . We ' ve been pushing 22 it down the road for a long time . And 23 that Community Housing Plan that we now 24 have in place really touches on every 25 single issue of Affordable Workforce JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 56 1 Housing in the Town . And this is a 2 really exciting time for all of us . So 3 thanks to everybody . 4 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Thank you . 5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 6 you for your work . 7 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : Oh, well . I ' m 8 just one of those volunteers . 9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : 10 Margaret, welcome . 11 MARGARET DE CRUZ : Yes . My 12 question is about Greenport . Can you 13 just tell me, are we included in this ? 14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes . 15 MARGARET DE CRUZ : You just 16 mentioned something -- 17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes . 18 Yes , absolutely . Julie, can you give 19 the specifics of how the Village would 20 be able to take advantage of this 21 program? 22 ASST . TOWN ATTORNEY JULIE 23 MCGIVNEY : So now that there is an 24 implementation plan and framework 25 hopefully going to be adopted tonight, JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 57 1 the Village now can see that and opt 2 into by resolution, opt into the plan . 3 When they do that, then the Town Board 4 will accept it and there ' ll be an 5 inter-municipal agreement between the 6 Village and the Town of Southold to 7 formalize everything that will be going 8 on between the Village and the Town . 9 So yes . 10 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : And I ' ll 11 just add to that . How we see it is if 12 there ' s a developer that wants to 13 develop something in the Village of 14 Greenport, the Village of Greenport has 15 to develop their process of accepting a 16 project under their rules and 17 regulations . Because they have their 18 own Building and Zoning and Planning . 19 And then they would have to send us 20 send us something formally that they 21 accept this project for Affordable 22 Housing . And then we could vet it 23 through our program . But we , you know, 24 we don ' t want to start vetting a 25 project through the program of the JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 58 1 Village of Greenport, it it ' s not 2 willing to see it through . 3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : There 4 might, you know, there might be 5 something in the Village that they have 6 to take action on before it could be 7 built . So we want to start with the 8 Village . So the short answer is yes 9 and the long answer is , yes . 10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Anyone 11 else ? 12 (No Response) . 13 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : All 14 right . I will make a motion that we 15 close this public hearing . 16 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Second . 17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in 18 favor? 19 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Aye . 20 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye . 21 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye . 22 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye . 23 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye . 24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye . 25 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 59 1 PUBLIC COMMENTS 2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All 3 right . Now is there anyone who would 4 like to speak to any matter? 5 BARBARA NOSOS : Hi . I am Barbara 6 Nosos with North Fork Beach Condos on 7 Route 48 . I just wanted to start by 8 saying thank you . Every time I attend 9 a meeting, either through Zoom or in 10 person, I learn a lot and I feel more 11 involved in the community . And tonight 12 learned that I could potentially give 13 back by joining a committee and having 14 something else to offer . Another 15 reason I came was to bring up I guess 16 observation and concern . A few members 17 asked me to reach out to the Town . So 18 I called Public Works . I spoke to Tim 19 and also Recreation and Janet 20 concerning the Town Beach, which is now 21 Lieutenant George R . Sullivan Beach . 22 And they explained that they put sand 23 down and just in a week ' s time, the 24 storm just washed everything away, 25 which kind of blew my mind . I had no JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 60 1 idea and then I took a walk myself and 2 saw where the I guess new -- like high 3 high -- high tide watermark is and -- 4 yeah, the waves were just crashing and 5 it just created that three foot drop 6 where they did put the sand . And we 7 also explained that it ' s hard finding 8 and in order to replenish and keep the 9 beach there in good condition . And 10 they are aware, but there ' s just not 11 much you could do with the forces of 12 nature . I don ' t know . I ' d like to 13 help on a committee like that . First 14 of all , I started coming up with ideas , 15 I ' m sure . Michael the engineer ' s got 16 some work to do there and some thought 17 process . I don ' t know if it ' s on 18 anyone else ' s minds or -- 19 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yeah . 20 Thank you for offering or appreciate 21 that . And thanks to Tim Abrams and 22 DPW, the Highway Department, they 23 cobbled together quite a bit of sand 24 there over the Winter . A lot of 25 questions why is it sand pile there and JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 61 1 the answer was easy, we want to save 2 that sand till the last possible moment 3 before Memorial Day . Spread it . So 4 we ' ll have a beach for the summertime 5 at least . And they did that . They 6 spread the sand and within one day 7 Mother Nature reclaimed it all . And 8 that was that was the end of the beach . 9 So it just shows you how, you know, sea 10 level rise has really affected that 11 beach . It ' s affected a lot of our 12 waterfront . That beach, it ' s really 13 traumatic . ' Cause everyone can see 14 what happened . So the plan has been 15 for the past year, working with our 16 government liaison, working with our 17 Highway Superintendent, Dan Goodwin, of 18 course our engineer, Michael Collins , 19 and working with Long Island Sound to 20 pull the parking lot back a little and 21 try to build a dune system and vegetate 22 it, to provide some sort of a buffer . 23 And that ' s , I think they ' re gonna be 24 successful in that effort, but really 25 it ' s up to Mother Nature to see what ' s JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 62 1 gonna survive there . We ' re also 2 working with Suffolk County DPW on the 3 elevation of the Road . That ' s been 4 identified in their County ' s resiliency 5 plan . It ' s a County road . It ' s got 6 very low elevation . That section by 7 Town Beach and it ' s also by Mattituck 8 Inlet, it ' s very low . And there is 9 going to be money in Suffolk County 10 Public Works to start the process of 11 engineering . You know, elevating those 12 roads because it ' s a major roadway in 13 the Town . Raising the whole road 14 there, yeah . Because if you look at 15 the elevation of the road at the beach, 16 it ' s very it ' s very close . You have a 17 front row seat there you see what how 18 high the water gets so . 19 BARBARA NOSOS : It ' s just the time 20 though, it just happens so quick . I 21 don ' t think anyone was expecting it . 22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yeah, 23 so that ' s quite a lesson for us all . 24 So thank you for your offer . Please 25 contact my office . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 63 1 BARBARA NOSOS : Yeah, thank you so 2 much . 3 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : And I just 4 wanted for the people that don ' t know, 5 the Town also has to get permits when 6 we do jobs on the beach and stuff from 7 other agencies . So that ' s something 8 that we ' re limited on . We ' re told, you 9 know, it ' s not like we can just find 10 sand and dump there . We have to get 11 approval . 12 BARBARA NOSOS : Wait and approval . 13 And again, time, no one is expecting it 14 to get so bad . It ' s okay . So, yeah . 15 Thank you very much . 16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 17 you . 18 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Thank 19 you . 20 ERIC MCCLURE : Hi , Eric McClure 21 from Mattituck . So I came in a couple 22 weeks ago, the last meeting, to raise 23 my ongoing concerns about the noise 24 coming from Strong ' s Water Club and 25 Windemere . But you know it continues JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 64 1 pretty much every time there ' s a 2 performance . And I had told you a 3 couple weeks ago that I had called the 4 police one of those instances . And 5 Officer Deering came and he said he 6 spoke to them and they said they were 7 monitoring it and the sound was 8 bouncing around . And something sat 9 with me after that, but it occurred to 10 me, because you know, I ' ve kind of 11 always thought that with the way that 12 water amplifies sound and 13 scientifically that the sound waves 14 bounce off the water, that maybe it was 15 quieter on their side and they ' re 16 actually monitoring it and it gets 17 louder as it comes across the water to 18 our side of the creek . So I actually 19 drove in there one afternoon the 20 following weekend . Just to see if that 21 was the case . And I rolled the window 22 down in the car, and I couldn ' t believe 23 how loud it was . As loud as it is on 24 our side of the water, it was louder at 25 the source . So I went back a couple JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 65 1 times over the weekend with the decibel 2 meter . And there were stretches where 3 I recorded where the entire song 4 exceeded the Town Code of 65 decibels . 5 It was bouncing around above 60 into 6 the 70 ' s for the entire song . So 7 either they have a faulty decibel 8 meter, or they ' re not telling the truth 9 about how loud it is . And they ' re not 10 really making any effort to moderate 11 the noise and mitigate the situation . 12 So a long way around of saying, I 13 really implore the Town to do something 14 about this . I don ' t know how often 15 someone actually goes over there from 16 the Town with a decibel meter to take 17 readings , but you know this was two 18 days in a row, two nights in a row, 19 Friday and Saturday . Where they were 20 consistently beyond the noise level . 21 And it doesn ' t -- this -- it actually 22 does dissipate coming across the water 23 a little bit, but not a lot, because we 24 consistently get readings that are 25 above the code level . So I also would JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 66 1 like to just take this opportunity to 2 say I ' ve been coming for a few years . 3 My entities have not changed that 4 outcome at all . So if Mr . Supervisor, 5 if I could come talk to you about this 6 and get members of the Board, who would 7 like to join in on that, I think a 8 meeting is warranted because I would 9 like to figure out a way to make it 10 better . 11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : You ' re 12 welcome to come in . 13 ERIC MCCLURE : Okay, I will reach 14 out . I ' ve got a busy week, but I will 15 do so as soon as I can . And I ' ll just 16 also say that I ran into a neighbor 17 last night in town on Love Lane , who 18 asked about the sound . She lives about 19 a third of a mile north of us . So Wood 20 cliff and Grand Avenue . So farther 21 away . And she said they can hear the 22 sound whenever the bands are playing . 23 They go in their house . If they close 24 the door or the window, they don ' t hear 25 it anymore . They don ' t get the JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 67 1 vibration and the window shaking and 2 boom, boom, boom of the bass and drums 3 that we get that we just can ' t shut 4 out . So no matter how tightly you 5 close the door or the window . 6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Not 7 that I ' d see you tonight, but I was 8 speaking to the Chief the other day, 9 and this did come up about looking at 10 the way the Sound Code , the Noise Code 11 is written, because amplified music is 12 one of the biggest complaints that he 13 gets through his department . And it ' s 14 that we recognize as a quality of life 15 issue . 16 ERIC MCCLURE : Thanks . I 17 appreciate that . I know my neighbors 18 don ' t come in and say the same things 19 that I do . I know there is concern, at 20 least with some people in the 21 neighborhood . They have their reasons 22 for not coming forward the way I have , 23 but I appreciate you guys listening as 24 always and the work the Board does . 25 And I will reach out and see if we can JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 68 1 sit down . 2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Very 3 good . 4 ERIC MCCLURE : Thank you . 5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 6 you . 7 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Just if 8 I can add, I know we have discussed 9 potentially amending the overall Sound 10 Code and as we ' re looking at the 11 Special Events Code . It ' s my belief 12 that we may be able to mitigate some of 13 the concerns with just general events 14 that maybe are getting pushed in the 15 Special Event Category . If we do some 16 work on the amplified sound side of 17 code and really kind of being stricter 18 on what ' s allowed, and what ' s not 19 allowed, and what one needs to do to 20 play amplified music, especially 21 outdoors . 22 ERIC MCCLURE : Great . Thank you 23 for that . I did note that the one 24 event at your farm required a Special 25 Event Permit . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 69 1 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : He ' s 2 looking for a refund . 3 ERIC MCCLURE : I will speak out in 4 favor of before -- when it ' s on the 5 agenda . But in that light, there are 6 83 outdoor music events on the calendar 7 for this season at Strong ' s Water Club, 8 none of which are permitted . So that 9 clearly is a hole in the system that 10 doesn ' t work . 11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yep . 12 ERIC MCCLURE : Thank you . I 13 appreciate it . 14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 15 you . 16 ROBERT DUNN : Robert Dunn, 17 Peconic . As you noted, amplified sound 18 brought in order to have amplified, 19 somebody has to turn it up . It ' s not 20 like somebody driving a car in a 21 muscle . Wow . And they have no control 22 over . I mean, with amplified sounds , 23 somebody would know that and turned the 24 knob around . So why not consider a law 25 that says , if amplified sound breaks JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 70 1 the loop, the second offense , the place 2 can be closed down . For the day or the 3 night . The police can come and order, 4 shut your door . Just like the fire 5 department could, if you were 6 overpopulated . Just -- okay . We were 7 here last week, you got a ticket . You 8 didn ' t pay that ticket yet and we ' re 9 here to give you another ticket we ' re 10 along with this kid ticket comes to 11 shut down order for the rest of today . 12 Hurt him in his pockets . I guarantee 13 you sound will stop . 14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 15 you . 16 ROBERT DUNN : These people are 17 about money . 18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : We 19 passed that Sound Code a number of 20 years ago . We tried to really do the 21 best we could, but it was -- it ' s not 22 an easy it was not an easy code to 23 enforce . 24 ROBERT DUNN : We don ' t want to be 25 -- we don ' t want to be saying the same JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 71 1 thing in five years , you know we tried 2 it . 3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 4 you . 5 RALPH RYDERSEN : My name is Ralph 6 Rydersen and I ' m from Southold Hamlet . 7 And since noise seems to be the ongoing 8 theme I ' d like to speak about the gas 9 powered leaf blowers and perhaps have 10 the Town consider a way to transition 11 out of that incredibly loud noise, 12 polluting . I will be brief ' cause I ' m 13 freezing in here . My teeth are 14 chattering and I ' m not nervous . The 15 pollution factor, the dust that ' s 16 thrown all around, the incredible 17 noise, the State is considering a 18 subsidy to the landscapers to help 19 transition this . Perhaps the Town 20 could show their encouragement toward 21 it . This is a quality of life . We 22 live in a bucolic rustic area, which is 23 spoiled a great deal by this type of 24 noise . And I was hoping that the Town 25 could consider, in some way, JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 72 1 transitioning, perhaps , limiting the 2 amount of time to two seasons . The 3 Spring cleanup and the Fall cleanup, 4 not this incessant blowing the grass 5 and so on . I understand it ' s an 6 economic factor, but there has to be 7 some sort of mitigating factor that 8 would allow the landscapers to 9 transition to electric or God forbid, 10 brakes . 11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : This 12 has been something that we ' ve heard for 13 quite a while . And all the communities 14 have tried to address it . We are 15 leading in the Zoning update right now, 16 which has taken up quite a bit of our 17 attention as well as other things . So 18 we ' re not going to -- I can ' t promise 19 that you ' re going to jump right into it 20 at the moment, but we do take your 21 concern very seriously . 22 RALPH RYDERSEN : Thank you . But 23 as I ' m saying, if the State is 24 considering the Town of Southold could 25 say to them, we recognize this might be JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 73 1 a very good first step to the 2 implementation and helping us implement 3 it . 4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I 5 wonder what the State is there -- do 6 you know what the State ' s proposing? 7 RANDY WADE : Randy Wade, 8 Greenport . I just want to, you ' re 9 surrounded by towns that have already 10 passed legislation . There ' s already 11 legislation in other parts of Long 12 Island . And I spoke to Serenity 13 Robotic Lawn Care, and he was claiming 14 that his tune of how backpack blowers 15 electric cost him roughly $ 1 , 200 a 16 year, and they saved $2 , 000 in gas . 17 Not to mention the time wasted going to 18 the filling stations to get the gas . 19 And they ' re quite efficient now . The 20 prices have gone down . So honestly, 21 I ' m sorry, I don ' t care about any kind 22 of subsidies . We in, Greenport, now 23 have a new law, and you could save 24 time , you could just copy it and paste 25 it . Or you could take some other JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 74 1 Town ' s Law and copy and paste it . You 2 could send it to the lawyer . You don ' t 3 have to all be talking about it for a 4 long time, like the Rezoning Update . 5 And I know I heard you meeting this 6 morning, you ' re dealing with a lot of 7 stuff, and it ' s a lot of work . But 8 there are so many people, it drives 9 crazy and I feel guilty now because 10 it ' s gotten quieter where I live in 11 Greenport . They passed a law and the 12 funny thing is , even if they aren ' t 13 going around monitoring, most people 14 want to do the legal thing . So I had 15 the guy across the street all the 16 landscapers work on the South Fork also 17 where they ban it . So they have to 18 have electric equipment already . He 19 came over to do the blowing you know 20 afterwards . And I look and it ' s an 21 electric thing and I ' d already argued 22 with them a couple of years ago . Oh, 23 no . He likes his gas-powered leaf 24 blower . So it ' s completely doable . 25 It ' s not a big thing . It ' s JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 75 1 embarrassing that the Town has not 2 addressed it so far . When I talked to 3 people they said, "oh, I signed a 4 petition a couple of years ago . 5 They ' re not going to do anything . " I 6 said that is so not true . I just 7 talked to Al Krupski at the water 8 meeting and he said he is gonna take 9 care of other towns getting our water 10 for filling up for swimming pools . 11 Shelter Island and the South Fork are 12 not gonna get a water anymore . If you 13 set your mind to do something, I said 14 Al Krupski will take care of it . So 15 thank you so much . 16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I 17 guess , thank you . 18 RANDY WADE : You ' ll get in the 19 mail tomorrow a petition that ' s been 20 signed by 99 people . 21 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 22 you . 23 NANCY DUVAL RYDERSEN : So I ' m 24 Nancy Duval Rydersen, Ralph ' s wife . 25 And I did speak at Greenport a year and JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 76 1 a half ago, but I was wearing a red 2 t-shirt . Now I ' m wearing a marble wild 3 t-shirt . So, you as farmers , as native 4 plant enthusiasts , as gardeners , you 5 know that this is such an important 6 issue . Because there ' s the insect 7 apocalypse . We need to save our 8 insects . We need to save our 9 pollinators . We need the birds and 10 butterflies . And everybody loves birds 11 and butterflies . In fact, three of you 12 at least will be honoring the Monarch 13 Way station on Friday at 11 o ' clock . 14 I ' ll be baking cookies by the way . So 15 I hope all of you will come and at 16 Custom Preserve . So we know you ' ve got 17 your heart in the right place . We know 18 that you ' re environmentalists . And as 19 I told Ralph, as we were walking in, 20 yes , you can multi-task because the 21 kids can do it, but you guys can do it 22 better because you ' re smarter . So 23 let ' s get that . Do I give them this 24 now? Oh, I have gifts for you . 25 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : I just JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 77 1 also want to share I was able to go to 2 the Universalist Church . What was the 3 group presenting that night? It was 4 like for Earth Day, Armory Day, the 5 Earth Day panel . And they actually had 6 a contest between a leaf blower and a 7 rake . Pushing leaves across the same 8 distance, the same amount of leaves , 9 and the rake won . And it was much 10 quieter . They were a little tired . 11 But it was really fascinating . 12 MARJORIE FIELD : I went to that . 13 Marjorie Field, Southold . I just want 14 to say, I ' ve lived here for 50 years , 15 and things have changed quite a bit . 16 People come and do landscaping . One 17 day is lawn mowing . The other day is 18 blowing the leaves , and then trimming 19 the hedges . It ' s endless . It doesn ' t 20 sound like it takes much to change it . 21 Please . Even if some restrictions . 22 Just come on Fridays . You know, 23 because it seems like one landscaper is 24 one day and then another landscaper is 25 another day and another . We have an JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 78 1 electric lawnmower and we absolutely 2 love it . It doesn ' t throw dust up in . 3 It ' s easier . It ' s easier starting . 4 Everything about it is wonderful . 5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 6 you . 7 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : 8 Supervisor, can I just share the work 9 of the Conservation Advisory Council 10 that ' s been investigating this issue 11 for over a year and has reported to the 12 board and given the best information . 13 And is not just looking at it as 14 something that ' s noise , but something 15 as a health concern . And we are 16 consistently researching it, but to 17 Al ' s point, we are also looking at the 18 Zoning Update . We ' re looking at the 19 current water talk with the Suffolk 20 County Water Pipe . So what I just want 21 to tell the public and Chair, 22 Conservation Advisory Council is 23 actively looking at this and looking at 24 new data . Looking at how it affects 25 our neighbors and looking at a path JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 79 1 forward for Southold . So I don ' t want 2 you to think that we ' re not doing 3 anything . And I just want to encourage 4 everybody that spoke to come to the 5 Conservation Advisory Council . Share 6 your data . Share the way that it 7 affects our community and that we have 8 a growing concern for the men and women 9 that operate those machines , and that 10 savvy business owners are already doing 11 the switchover to electric . So how do 12 we engage the stakeholders and the 13 landscapers that are doing this work? 14 And some of them are savvy in investing 15 in these future technologies already . 16 So I don ' t want you to think that the 17 people investing in their companies are 18 not investing in these things that 19 you ' re saying are healthier, and less 20 noise and less annoying and less 21 everything . Less more quality of life . 22 So I just want to make sure that you 23 understand that we are looking at this . 24 And I always encourage any public 25 citizen to come and report to the JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 80 1 Conservation Advisory Council and that 2 will be reported to the Board . 3 RANDY WADE : When would the CAC be 4 invited to speak to the Board? What ' s 5 the schedule? 6 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : We ' re 7 going to discuss it . And I ' ve 8 mentioned to you personally that 9 they ' re looking at the Zoning Update 10 and they ' re currently engaged in that 11 work . So perhaps once the Zoning 12 Update . And, you know, it ' s one thing 13 to have your set of timing, but we have 14 to have the appropriate set of timing 15 for the Town and for the CAC . I will 16 never rush any testimony that ' s crucial 17 to the Board to hear . And the people 18 of the Conservation Advisory Council 19 say that themselves . That they want to 20 make sure they have all their ducks in 21 a row and want to give a proper report . 22 So I can ' t give you a specific date, 23 but I want you to know that there ' s a 24 continual work . And if you have 25 something to share with the CAC, come JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 81 1 to the CAC and share it . 2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : To 3 your question, the Town Board has asked 4 the Planning Director, who ' s running 5 the Zoning Update, to ask the request 6 from all the Town Committees that are 7 applicable , to get involved and engage 8 in the Zoning Update process . Because 9 we want all the information up front so 10 we can end the Zoning Update process . 11 So they ' re -- they ' re all -- or most of 12 the volunteer committees have been 13 tasked with working on that -- 14 RANDY WADE : As I believe they 15 have . Whatever information they ' ve got 16 at this point, I would highly encourage 17 you to accept it . Forward to the Town 18 Attorney and say copy any one of the 19 codes of the Town ' s surrounding us . We 20 need to do something . We ' re not going 21 to waste time talking about it, because 22 we ' re too busy going and listening on 23 the Rezoning Update . So, Attorney, we 24 can trust you to just pick one . 25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 82 1 There ' s more than that too . You know, 2 it rained today, and I can guarantee 3 you there were a number of automatic 4 lawn sprinklers . 5 RANDY WADE : That ' s a good one . 6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Still 7 running, and we ' re trying to -- 8 RANDY WADE : No, I ' m glad you got 9 the Attorney working on that . That ' s 10 great . You ' re doing a lot of good 11 things . 12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Very 13 active on that also . 14 RANDY WADE : Yeah, just add this . 15 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 16 you for advocating . 17 TOWN ATTORNEY PAUL DECHANCE : And 18 let me say, I appreciate your comments , 19 Ms . Wade, but my office doesn ' t copy 20 codes from other towns . So I ' m not 21 sure that we would do that . 22 RANDY WADE : Oh, okay . 23 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Well , yeah, 24 there ' s a lot more to it . We just 25 don ' t copy and paste . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 83 1 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : He ' s 2 pride of authorship . 3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Is 4 there anyone else who would like to 5 address the Board? 6 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : I promise I 7 will be brief . Benjamin Schwartz . So, 8 this new book is , it is -- it is not 9 titled Volunteer Committee . And yet, 10 in the Town Code , it says very simply, 11 "Members shall serve without 12 compensation . " But in this book, it 13 says , "Members shall serve without 14 compensation unless specified otherwise 15 in the Resolution Creating Committee . " 16 Why is there a discrepancy? Are there 17 any committee members that are being 18 paid at present, or are they being 19 paid? 20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes . 21 And Paul , I ' d like if you could -- we 22 are looking into that, how that came to 23 be, and if in fact that should 24 continue . 25 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : Thank you . JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 84 1 TOWN ATTORNEY PAUL DECHANCE : Mr . 2 Schwartz , why don ' t I ask you to 3 contact my office . I ' d be happy to 4 provide you with any information that 5 you need . It ' s difficult when you ' re 6 just reading one thing and trying to 7 compare it to another . We can explain 8 to you maybe in a little bit more depth 9 what you ' re looking at and hopefully 10 that would resolve some of the issues 11 that you believe that you have . 12 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : I will try 13 again . I have contacted your office 14 and your office has been very helpful , 15 as have most of the offices in Town 16 are . You know, last time I did that, 17 people were permitted into the meeting, 18 but the agenda for the following 19 meeting still lacks the category that 20 used to be there . Permitting 21 attendance in person . So I would hope 22 that if we do discuss something, 23 there ' ll be a follow-up through . 24 TOWN ATTORNEY PAUL DECHANCE : I 25 think you ' re referring to the LPC JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 85 1 again . Again, why don ' t you contact my 2 office, we can talk about whatever 3 you ' d like . 4 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : I will 5 also take a look at how the agenda is 6 stated, just to be sure . 7 TOWN ATTORNEY PAUL DECHANCE : 8 Thank you . I have some background 9 info . 10 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : One last 11 thought that you just reminded me of, 12 there ' s Records Advisory Board, has 13 that met recently? I ' m unable to find 14 any minutes from it . 15 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I 16 don ' t recollect that . 17 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : You know, the 18 Town ' s website, it ' s in the section of 19 10 lawful under the title Records . And 20 it establishes a Records Advisory 21 Board . In the website it says there ' s 22 a Town Board liaison to be appointed . 23 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : So one 24 of the next steps in the committee 25 update work that will happen next JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 86 1 because we focused first on 2 functioning, getting the committees 3 functioning properly . The next step is 4 to create a directory and go through 5 all of the committees that are listed 6 on the website . Find the resolution or 7 code that established those and be sure 8 those committees , A, may or may not 9 still exist and work for whatever 10 reason or never deleted . And then to 11 update their mission statements to be 12 sure they ' re aligned with the current 13 Comprehensive Plan . But that ' s going 14 to take us some time . In that vein, 15 the Town website was first posted in 16 one forum on November 28 , 2001 . 17 Approximately two dozen years ago . The 18 current Town website was posted 19 September 12 , 2012 . 12 years ago and 20 counting . The Town still doesn ' t have 21 a web developer, web designer position . 22 The Data Processing Department was 23 renamed to the Information Management 24 Technology Department . And it ' s still 25 adding things to the website , but JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 87 1 there ' s nobody that ' s going through 2 there . And I think that should be a 3 function . Article 59 records should 4 probably be brought up in front of the 5 Town Code Committee , which, by the way, 6 is also missing in action from the 7 website , with the exception of a recent 8 meeting from which the video is posted . 9 But the Code Committee , I would ask if 10 it would consider revising Article 59 11 records to recognize the existence of 12 the website ' s , including the Laserfiche 13 database, on which most of the Town 14 relies now for record keeping . Article 15 59 records is all about paper records . 16 And I ' m not even sure that it records 17 exist anymore . 18 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : I also 19 wanted to clarify your earlier question 20 on the website under Government and 21 then "committee ' s " they ' re listed by 22 alphabetically A through D there are 23 four sections dividing up the alphabet . 24 Categorizing all of the committees and 25 the first link that you ' ll see under JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 88 1 each of those sections is Town of 2 Southold Committee Handbook . And 3 that ' s where you ' ll find the -- besides 4 the Laserfiche, you ' ll find the 5 recently posted copy of the handbook . 6 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : In the 7 committees ? 8 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Yeah . 9 Where it says Committees A through D, 10 and then it says agriculture . 11 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : I looked there 12 yesterday, I didn ' t find it . 13 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : It 14 probably just got up late yesterday 15 because he said it to me yesterday . 16 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : No, well , you 17 know, I have another job, too . 18 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : I just 19 wanted you to know where it was in case 20 you want to see the digital form. 21 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : I will look 22 tonight . Okay . There ' s still no web 23 page for the Town Supervisor and the 24 Town . And if you like , if you need 25 help writing the content for that, I ' d JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 89 1 be happy to help you . The confusion, 2 you speak of the page about committees . 3 There ' s a page about departments that 4 includes the Zoning Board of Appeals as 5 a Department . The Zoning Board of 6 Appeals was created by State Law as a 7 Board . And there ' s also confusion 8 between the committees that have 9 exclusive -- only advisory authority 10 and there are committees , which boards 11 created, which have both mandatory 12 advisory authority and other 13 quasi-judicial powers . The problem 14 with the confusion that exists is that 15 those boards don ' t always do their 16 duties . Because they don ' t know -- 17 they don ' t understand their duties . 18 Well , it ' s not just the public . 19 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I 20 think that the Handbook will help to 21 reorganize and direct them and like I 22 said, they ' ve been directed down to 23 work on the specific tasks on the 24 zoning update . 25 BENJAMIN SCHWARTZ : If the JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 90 1 Handbook is clarified and corrected, it 2 might be helpful . 3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 4 you . All right . Is there any other 5 comment here? 6 (No Response) . 7 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I ' m 8 looking at the Zoom . 9 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I will 10 make a motion we adjourn . 11 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Second . 12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in 13 favor? 14 COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY : Aye . 15 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye . 16 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye . 17 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye . 18 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye . 19 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye . 20 21 (Whereupon, the meeting was 22 adjourned . ) 23 24 25 JUNE 10, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 91 1 C E R T I F I C A T I O N 2 3 I , Jessica DiLallo, a Notary 4 Public for and within the State of New 5 York, do hereby certify : 6 THAT, the within transcript is a 7 true record of said Board Meeting . 8 I further certify that I am not 9 related either by blood or marriage to 10 any of the parties to this action; and 11 that I am in no way interested in the 12 outcome of this matter . 13 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have 14 hereunto set my hand this day, 15 June 10 , 2025 . 16 17 18 (J sic iLallo) 19 20 21 22 23 24 25