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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-07/22/1980SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD JULY 22, 1980 WORK SESSION 9::00 A.M. - Mr. Richard Strang from the Suffolk County Department of Transportation addressed the Board concerning the feeder bus program which will begin in Southold Town on August il, 1980. This is the first step in the Suffolk County Public Transit Program. This portion of the program is entitled the "North Fork Phase I Bus Service Improvements". The services will run from 7 AM to 7 PM six days a week including holidays. On August 13th there will be a Ceremony at the Town~':HalI at which time County Executive Cohalan will hold a press conference to introduce the program. EXECUTIVE SESSION 10:00 A.M. - The Board discussed the possibl~fpurchase of property near the landfill site in Cutchogue. Discussion was held relative to the request of Donald Leden for a one year leave of absence. The Board agreed to deny Mr. Leden's request. WORK SESSION 10:10 AM. The Board began reviewing the agenda. 12 NOON - Recess for lunch. 1:20 P.M. Mr. Henry Raynor, Chairman of the Southold Town Planning Board met with the Town Board To discuss amendments to the Town of Southold Land Subdivision Regulations, particularly the approval of Board of Appeals actions between the period from January 1, 1971 and September 5, 1979, many of which, may have required approval of the Planning Board. Mr. Raynor asked for input from the Town Board before a hearing is scheduled by his board. Mr. Raynor spoke about the Planning Board's meeting with Dr. Lee Koppelman and Arthur Kurtz of the Suffolk County Planning Department, stating it was mutually beneficial and will most likely be repeated every six months to a year, thus forming a much closer working relationship between the County and the Town. 2:00 P.M. - Mr. Steve Tsontakis ~ the Captain Kidd Water Company, Mattituck made a presentation to the Board concerning the water company. There have been problems recently concerning water pressure which will require repla~ng the existing station. They have acquired property on Stanley Road where there is an existing farm well and a new pumping station will be constructed. Mr. Tsontakis felt the Town Board should be aware of the water company's desire to upgrade their system and serve their customers with the highest quality service as possible. 2:10 P.M. Mrs. Peg Kaelin addressed the Board, asking their support for the call of a Constitution Convention to write a Human Life Amendment. 2:20 P.M. Mrs. Barbara McElroy presented a petition containing 350 signatures calling for a Constitutional Convention To write a Human Life Amendment. 2:25 P.M. Suffolk County Legislator Gregory Blass, Lois Callis, President of the Board of Trustees of the Eastern Long Island Hospital, Charles Kuebler, ELIH Administrator and Dr. Earl Loomis addressed the Board concerning the hospital's plan to develop a mental health wing. They have asked for 45 minutes during the ~egular Board meeting To make a full presentation. JULY .22~--$980 2!45 P.M. - Mrs. Regina Orata spoke to the Board asking their support in opposing the call for a Constitutional Convention .to write a Human Life Amendment. 2:50 P.M. - Mrs. Ann Hamilton a~§o spoke to the Board asking their support in opposing the call of a Constitutional Convention ~o'write a Human Life Amendment. A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday, J~ly 22, 1980 at the Southold Town HAS1, Main Road, Southold,. New York. Supervisor Pell opened the meeting at 3:00 P.M. with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. Present: Supervisor William 'R. Pell-III Justice Francis T. Doyen Councilman Henry w. Drum Councilman John J. Nickles Councilman LawrenCe Murdock Jr. Councilman George R. Sullivan * * * Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker Deputy Supervisor Marie Bauer Johnson SUPERVISOR PELL: The first order. We will go down the agenda, we will go through it completely. We have a hearing at 3:40 and one at 3:45. After that the hospital board is here to present a project to the Town Board and the Town folks. After that we will open the floor up to the public. First order of business is the approval of the minutes of July 8th meeting. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Justi~oyen, it was RESOLVED that the minutes of the July 8, 1980 meeting of the.Southold Town Board be and hereby are approved. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold Town Board will be held at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, August ~2, 198'0 au the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will hold a regular meeting at 1:00 P.M., August 20, 1980 at the Fishers Island School, Fishers Island, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared dhly adopted. ~UPERVISOR PELL: Once a year the Town Board does go over to Fishers Island. We hold a meeting there and this is the Time ~o do it. It will be August 20th this year. The local residents like to see their Town Board over there at least once and we shall be there. REPORTS - SUPERVISOR PELL: 1. Dog Warden report. These reports will be placed on file in the Town Clerk's Office. Anybody wish to review them can to into the Town Clerk's Office and review them. Dog Warden for the month of June. 2. Town Justice report - Justice Tedeschi (June 1980). 3. Town Justice report - Justice Rich (June 1980). 4. Long Island Tourism Committee. There was a meeting held the other day and I asked my deputy to go and she will report on it. This is something that will concern Southold Town in a big way this fall and will concern the hospital, so I am glad you are here to hear about it. Marie, tell us about it. DEPUTY SUPERVISOR JOHNSON:~ The New York .State Department of Commerce has a tourism unit which is dedicated to increasing tourism in New York State. In 1978 they formed a special group which is to prolong the regular tourist season beyond Labor Day. This will be the third year they've had such a special harvest lest or Fall Festival as they call it and the chosen area for it this year is Long Island. The first year they had this in '78 the targeted area was the Albany area and there they had an influx of 70,000 tourists. The second year, last year, the area chosen was the Lake Placid area and there where they usually have three to four thousand tourists a weekend they had 15,000 a day. So they're telling us there's a possibility we will be having something up to 50,000 people out here on these particular weekends. It seems not impossible that we will. This Fall Festival will involve the nine weekends from the one immediately following Labor Day to the first weekend in November. Each one will highlight a separate area of the Island from Oyster Bay, Huntington all the way out. And the Columbus Day weekend will feature Riverhead, Southold. In Riverhead the Community Affairs Commission is handling the arrangements. The Polish Town Civic Association and other groups are working with them. In Greenport it's the Greenport Chamber of Commerce who is making plans and last night I spoke at the meeting of the Mattituck Chamber of Commerce and they had set up a committee and are very quickly getting into harness and are going to have something planned for the Mattituck area. The Town's place in all of this will be To help provide the extra services or see that people are alerted to providing the extra services' that will be needed if we have this kind of influx of people into the area. Fire protection, hospital, first aide and police and so forth. There will be a meeting here at Town Hall at 7:00 o'clock on August 4th and there will be some representatives from the Long Island Tourism Commission here and representatives from all the groups that will be working on this project and anyone who would like to come and put in their two cents worth would be most welcome. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much. On the Councilmen's reports I think all of them are going to beg off. There are no special committees to make a report at this time. Lucky for them. PUBLIC NOTICES SUPERVISOR PELL: We can skip them, there are none this meeting so we will move on to communications. COMMUNICATIONS - SUPERVISOR PELL: 1. The first letter we had is from Finnegan Associates about 100% assessment, saying they are winding up in one of the assignments they have. They have personnel available to come to Southold Town if we chose to so follow suit in 100% assessment. Along these lines the Town Board is not ready to move along these lines yet. We have written, my office has, to four people in Albany who are upon-~his. Senator LaValle, Assemblyman Behan and two others from the senate and assembly. We have two repli'es back so far. Two more due in. Basically the first two say the senate and the assembly have not agreed upon an overall package for the state yet so don't rush too fast too far until we find out what will come out of it. 2. One of our employees left 'the Town and moved down south and we had ao mailing address for him and we had some vacation pay due him and it set in my office for two months and finally we found out where to mail his vacation pay. And also along with that he requested a leave - one year leave of absence which the Board will discuss further. (Donald 'Leden is the former employee referred to.) 3. Concerns Fishers Island. It is a contract for them to have a study made on their disposal area plant which they hope to build some day and get federal funds for. 4. Concerning our building inspectors. Sometimes you have a job to do and sometimes when you do it people think you're unjust or unfair but still the law is a law and we all must live by it and building men have to enforce it. 5. From Gregory Blass who is here somewhere. He's not in the room right now. It is about a counzy-wide charge back system where the villages~:and the towns basically can charge the county for services that they do not require. What brought this about is the police budget last year was the start of this ~conversation or debate or whatever you say. The county charges the east end for a lot of police services which we feel we do not use therefore we ~U!~r::p2ot be required mo pay for them and we have discussed this with Mr. Blass ~nd others and they are proposing there will be set up a County-wide charge back system where we can charge back for services not used but ~et charged for the ones we do. This is something new. The supervisors of the five east end towns will meet in the next month and i~vite different people from the county comptroller's office to come o~t and explain to us how it will work when adopted. It i.s something that is just beginning and will be a long fight down the road before we can get it approved I'm sure, but we are going to proceed with it and we hope it will work. 6. This is what I mentioned before. Letters from Behan and Harenberg, the two we got back on them (100% assessment). Basically they said~the assembly and the senate in the state are miles apart. 7. A complaint about noises, noise ordinance people would like us to enact. We have none on record right now but we have had, over the last three or four weeks, two or three complaints called in to Town Hall. I'm sure we will get into this later on i.n the agenda. HEARINGS AND DECISIONS SUPERVISOR PELL: We have a hearing I am going to skip over to the proper time and move on to resolutions. RESOLUTIONS On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that the application of Edmond Bokina dated July 18,. 1980 for the renewal of his trailer permit on a right-of-way off the north side Main Road, Laurel, New York be and hereby is granted for a period of six months. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilm~n Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. On motion of Councilman Sullivan, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it ~s RESOLVED that the application of Oscar Goldin dated July 18, 1980 for the renewal of his trailer permit on Lot #60, Greenp~rt Driving Park, south side Linnet Street, Greenport, be and hereby is granted for a six month period. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman:~ Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pelt. Th~s resolution was declared duly ad~pted. J~n motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Senior Citizen's Club be and hereby are granted permission to hire two school buses at a cost of $111.00 each to transport them to the John Drew Theatre, East Hampton, New York on August 14, 1'980. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Coun6~lman Ni~kles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. Th~ resolution was declared duly ad~pted. On motion of Councilman Sullivan, seconded by CoUncilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Senior Citizen's Club be and hereby are granted permission to hire two 49 passenger coach buses at $385.00 each to transport them to Bear Mountain State Park on September 11, 1980. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan Councilman ' Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. Thi& resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Item No. 5 warrents a little bit of explanation and I will ask Councilman Nickles if He can handle it.-- Bob do you want ~o explain? TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Number five has to do with the Town accepting a correction deed concerning a drainage area near the Goose Creek area within an existing subdivision] At the present ~ime we have a drainage area which is I believe about 35 ft. in width and 150 ft. in depth and ~his is to enlarge that area. The proposed deed accomplishes that end. 11. On mati.o.n m~ CmunoLl~n N~:~ s/~Oonded~y Counc~D~m~nT~urdoc~ i2 RESOLVED that t~e Town Board of the.-Town of Sonthold accept tke correction deed from ~inifred Sayre, deeding a parceI of land contaTn~ ing 0.2~4 acres at Northfield Lane, Southold for draTnage purposes. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sull~van~ Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles~ Councilman Drum, Justice DoFen, Supervisor Pe. ll. Th.ia resolution was declared duly adopted, On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Co~nc~man Sullivan, it was RESOLVED that th~ Nattituck Senior Citizens he and h~erebly are granted permission to'-hire two buses at $~5~00 each to transpert them to Goshen, New~ York and Washingtonvi~lle, New? ~ork on October 9, 1980. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murd0ck, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Just'ice Doyen~ Supervisor Pell. This resolution w-as declared duly adopted. Moved by Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Sullivan, WHEREAS, Burton Potter Post #185, American Legion, Greenport, New York has applied to the Town Clerk for a Bingo License, and WHEREAS, the Town Board has examined the application and after investigation, duly made findings and determinations as req~i~ed by law, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Supervisor be and he hereby is authorized and directed to execute on behalf of the Town Board of the Town Of Southold the findings and determinations as required by law, and it is further RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is directed to issue a Bingo License to the Burton Potter Post #185, American Legion, Greenport, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Resolution number 8 is for a new trailer applica- tion. The Board is not going ~o move on this so therefore we are tabling it at this time. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it~as RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold take disciplinary action against Seasonal Police Officer Michael Fingerle in the for~ feiture of one days pay in accordance with a violation of Article VIII, Section 12 of the Rules and Regulations of the Southold Town Police Department, in reference to an incident occurring on July 13, 1980, and accept the recommendation of Chief of Police Carl Cataldo in this matter. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 10 we can omit because we did that one the last time the Board me~. Number I1 we have to do at this time. Fishers Island Ferry District will provide 5% to a capital project to put three inches of asphalt overlay over the runways at Elizabeth Airport in their 1981 budget. Moved by Justice Doyen, seconded by Councilman Sullivan, WHEREAS, Elizabeth Airport at Fishers Island is in need of repairs and renovations, and WHEREAS, the cos~ of said repairs and renovations may qualify for state and/or federaI aid, and WHEREAS, the Fishers Island Ferry District has indicated that it Will assume the required pro ra~a share of the cost of said asphalt overlay on both runways, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold does hereby approve the expenditure of the Fishers Island Ferry District for its pro rata share (5%) for the cos~ of the 3" asphalt overlay on both runways a~ Elizabeth Airport, from the Ferry District's 1981 budget. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan~ Councilman M~rdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. JULY 22, t980 SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 12 is for the Town Board to classify a piece of land as a cluster zone concept. The Town Board will, in the next week, go down and look at the area in East Marion and then it will be on the agenda again. (Cove Beach Associates). 13. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold approves the bond estimate as prepared by Lawrence M. Tuthill, Town Engineer, in the amount of $296,000 for roads and improvements in the sub- division to be known as "Bayview Woods Corporation". Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. ~ SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 14. We have to declare a bank depository of the HUD funds, the $50,000 HUD fund grant we have received for the libraries and it is the recommendation of my office vo give the Bank of New York this deposit of $50,000-- work out of that bank. On motion of Councilman ~urdock, seconded by Councilman Drum,, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold authorize Supervisor William R. Pell III to sign vouchers on Letters of Credit and checks on the account of the Town of Southold CD Block Grant Program #31-0-18166, and be it further RESOLVED that the Bank of New York, ~ain Road, Greenport, New York be designated as the depository for all funds to be received directly from the U. S. Treasury Department resulting from contract number B-80-DS-36-0100 executed with the U. S. Department of Housing and Urban-Development for deposit to: Town of Southold CD Block Grant_Program. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 15 concerns our Chief of Police. We must at this Time give him a raise in pay. His new salary will be a raise of $883.00. 15. COUNCILMAN DRUM: The amount will be $883.00 based on an annual basis. It will only be for the six month period commencing on the first of July of this year and this is required by law in a contract where the lieutenant is receiving an increase and the chief of police mus~ get, by law, a like amount -- minimum. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold set the~salary of Police Chief Carl Cataldo at $30,073.00, which is an increase of $883.00, e~£ective July 1, 1980. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman NickIes, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 16. I recommended to the Board to pay Mr. Muir today but we are going to put it off until our regular ~payment of the audit of bills which will be on the next Board meeting agenda. Mr. Muir, as you know, takes care of the beaches for the Town. His pay is so much a mile as he goes around, plus a stipend. 17. Moved by Councilman Mu~dock, seconded by Councilman Drum, WHEREAS, Marian Council, Knights of Columbus #3852, Cutchogue, New York, has applied to the Town Clerk for a Bingo License, and WItEREAS, the Town Board has examined the application and after investigation, duly made findings and determinations as required by law, N©W, THEREFORE~ BE I.T RESOLVED that the Supervisor be and he hereby is authorized and directed to execute on behalf of the Town Board of the Town of Southold the findings and determinations as required by law, and it is further RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is directed to issue a Bingo License to the Marian Councilman, Knights of Columbus #3852~ Cutchogue, New York. Vote o£ the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman ~urdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Do~en, 19. Supervisor Petl. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Number 18 is something the Board is not going to act on today. It is a bill I got from our County Exec's office, it is just a highlight of it. The bill itself is a half inch thick they say. What it would do, it i.s from the United States Senate introduced by Hollings from South Carolina, takes all local control of cablevision away from the local people. Since I have been sitting in this chair one of the - the telephone rings - one of my biggest complaints is "my cablevision is out" or "whe~n am I going to get it?" or 'lithe picture is blurry" or what not. Maybe we should say be like the telephone, don't bother the Town, go directly to Ma Bell of the Cablevision. Yet the Town does give a franchise On this, so therefore I feel the Town should be involved. I am going to request the bill to come out in its entirety, let the Town Board review it, break it down, then I will urge the Town Board to take some sort of a stand on this. We have not got proper information yet and I will send and get that. Number 19 you do not have. It is something that should have been on but I left it off by error, I guess, perhaps. The other night we had a meeting on the New Suffolk Avenue bridges and the OaklaWn Avenue bridges. The county sent an engineer out here. We had 125 people out to hear what. they had to say. The hearing went on and we found out they are only in Phase I of this program. Phase I includes Mud Bridge and Downs Creek Bridge. Only those two in Phase I. Those are the two we concentrated Our hearing on that night because as I said they are in Phase I. After hearing a lot of, I can't say pros, because I don't think there were no pros here, mostly cons, people opposed for one reason or another to the removal of these bridges, putting in the new 28 foot or 32 foot wide bridges there. The Town Board listened to it. We asked the engineer who was going to pay for the roads leading on and off the bridge. I got a telephone call yesterday saying the county would take the responsibility. I don't know if it is federal funds, state funds but the county would be no cost to the Town for the roads leading on and off the bridge. I passed that information on today to the Town Board and we did discuss it at great length this morning. I think somebody has something to say about it besides me, perhaps. COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: I just think the concensus of the Board was to direct the Supervisor to draft a letter in response to the County indicating that it seems that the overwhelming opinion of the people that are affected by it is that they prefer the bridges to remain and be repaired in their present state and not have any tremendous change to maintain the scenic beauty of the area. That seems to have been the concensus of opinion. On motion of Councilman Sullivan, seconded by Councilm~n ~urdock, it was RESOLVED that Supervisor William R. Pell III be and he hereby is directed.to forward a letter to R. M. Kammerer, Commissioner df the Suffolk County Department of Public Works advising him that as a result of The information meeting held at the Southold Town Hall on July 18, 1980 concerning the b?idge construction at )~ud and Downs Creeks, New Suffolk Avenue, it was the unanimous feeling of the residents in attendance at the meeting and the Southold Town Board members that the aforesaid bridges should not be repla~ed, they should be repaired and if they are beyond repair they should be replaced by in-kind bridges. The proposed contruction by the County would be detrimental to the beauty of this area. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. Th~s resolution was declared duly adopted. MR. DAVID DRISCOLL: If the county has this money to spend, it's all of our money, why dan't they fix the North Road in front of Van Duzers between Youngs Avenue and Boisseau Avenue or are they waiting for somebody to be killed before that thing is fixed? SUPERVISOR PELL: We will discuss that before the day is out. MR. DRISCOLL: I just wanted to enter that. If the county has money to fix roads why can't they fix that? COUNCILMAN DRUM: The new bridges are basically federal funds. 20. 21. 22. SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Blass will be here a little bil later on today. I suggest you ask about that portion of the road to him. I did receive a letter in my office, I think it was today's mail, and he addressed this very question. So when Mr. Blass does come in later on, before he goes home, nail him on it. 20, 21 and 22 you do not have. They were given to us from Mr. Dean today. We had bids out for a couple of trucks, snow fence and some T posts and I believe we are ready to award the bids. On motion of Councilman Murdock; seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RES©L~ED that Kinney Chevrolet-Olds, Inc~, the lowest responsible bidder On two (2) one ton cab and chasis trucks, be and hereby are awarded the bid at $7,119.00 each, delivered to the Southold Town Highway Department. Vot'e of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, CounCilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. Thi~ resolution was declared duly adopted. On motin of Councilman Drum, seconded by Supervisor Pell, it was RESOLVED that Chemung SUpply Corporation, the lowes~ responsible bidder for supplying the Southold Town Highway Department with 500, mo~e or less as may be needed, 6 ft. studded steel T posts with flanges or anchor plates on posts, posts shall not be less than 8.65 lbs. each, be and hereby are awarded the bid at $2.77 each. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles,Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution'was declared duly adopted. On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that Agway, Inc., the lowest responsible bidder for supply- ing the Southold Town Highway Department with 10,000 lin. feet, more or less as may be needed, of Snow Fence with pickes l½ x 3/8 inches, spaced 2 inches apart,'4 feet high stained red, with five (5) double strands o£ 12~ gauge galvanized wire in 100 lin. foot roltes, be and?~ hereby are awarded ~he bid at $39.00 per 100 ft, roll. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: That completes the agenda as prepared. I have one announcement I would like to make, I think it is an interesting one. Th:is morning we had Dick Strang down from the Suffolk County Department o£ Transportation. On August llth Southold Town will start what has been called the"Feeder Bus System" where a small bus will serve the outlying areas of the Town and bring people into the main stream. There will be two buses in Town. They will operate out of -- the central one ~t Peconic Land, the new Senior Citizen/ Youth building. One will go west and one will go east. These buses will meet at that point and ~urn around and go east and west'of Town. There are routes the Board went over today with Mr. St~ang. Where the buses will go and how often they wil~ go. These are experimental rouzes. ~e know we have left areas of the Town out that we should send these buses' in. We also realize we have put areas of the Town in where probably nobody will use the bus ~o therefere the first month is going to be a little bit hectic. People will want to use it and can't and some will not take advantage to use it. On the end of August, the first of September - September I should say perhaps - the daily bus route from Greenpert to East Hampton will be increased and will start at 7:00 o'clock in the morning and there will be a bus approximately every hour on the hour to East Hampton. That bus will go up by the Riverhead Hospital, Route 58, into Southampton, over by the Southampton Hospital, out to East Hampton, turn around and come back. In August end the feeder bus route they hope to start it on the south side over in East Hampton Township and bring it in there. This is a county program costing about three and a half million dollars. It has been in the works for some two years and is finally coming off this year. We are the first township of the five east end towns to start. We are going to start August ll~h. On August 13th our county exec will come out here and perhaps take a ride on the bus. Mr. Blass. is going to be invited out hereto have a little ceremony,perhaps,or press release on how it's going and 198o 277 ; that will be on August 13th. But the buS will officially start on the llth. The county is going to come out with some PR work about it and we will go from there. Any Board member have anything they would like to bring up? Larry, Hank, John, George, Prancis? (no response) On motion of Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that a recess be cal~ed a~ ~his time, 3:40 P.M. for the purpose of holding two public hearings. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. PUBLIC HEARI~NGS 3:40' P.M. in the matter of the application of Mary LePeter for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance. 3:45 P.M. in the matter of a proposed Local Law to amend Chapter 92 of the Code of The Town of Southold in-relation to traffic regulations. Meeting reconvened at 3:55 P.M. SUPERVISOR PELL: I would like the Board to consider the application of Mary LePeter for construction of a dock and ca~walk and ramp, the hearing we just held and there was no opposition ~o it. It was recommended by the Trustees and recommended by the Conservation Advisory Committee. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: Since~there~is no oppcsition and in the interest of time. This is a dock that they would like to build and maybe the weather is - time to build a dock that we grant permission to Mary LePeter on Application No. 49. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, WHEREAS, Mary LePeter applied to the Southotd Town Board for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold, application dated May 8, 1980, and WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council for their findings and determinations, and WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said application on the 22nd day of July, 1980, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be held, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Mary LePeter be granted permission under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of ~he Town of Southold for the construction of a CCA ~reated timber dock consisting of a 3 ft. by 8 ft. fixed catwalk, 3 ft. by 12 ft. hinged ramp, and a 6 ft. by 12 ft. float secured by one piling a~ each end. Dock tO be 25 ft. south of northerly property line.at 3800 Deep Hole Drive, on a canal off Deep Hole Creek, Mattituck, New York. No dredging or other alteration vo be done. Vo~e of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman MurdoCk, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Justice Doyen, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: To continue on with what I said a~ the beginning. We will open the floor vo the hospital now, who is here ~o make a presentation. I think Greg Blass, perhaps would like to start it off. And Greg, before you go home, there is a gentleman down there who has something he would like to ask,so don't run out fast. SUFFOLK COUNTY LEGISLATOR GREGORY BLASS: Thahk you, Mr. Supervisor and members of the Town Board: I will be very brief and tell that the purpose of my visit today is my desire to sponsor legislation that will provide for a grant from the county legislature by The county with either county funds or with federal or state funding or a mixture of all those sources,for a matching grant to the Eastern Long Island Hospital,with funds of equal amount which they will raise by private fund raising efforts with a view towards paying the one million dollar price tag'for the Eastern Long Island Hospital mental health facility and the expansion of the alcohol detoxification unit they have there. These are both services that are very s~rongly and in a documented fashion have been proved to be very strongly needed on the east end for east end residents and 'it is a facility that would be designed for service of relatively short term and psychiatric, cases, chiefly those that could be treated by not more than a 45 day period. Without further ado I would like, in an effort to present this at last to the public and open the issue to public questioning and hopefully the support from the Town Board of Southold, as' we have already received from the Village Bda~d¢*of Greenport. I would like to present three persons here today from the hospital. First the Presiden~ of the Board of Trustees of Eastern Long Island Hospital.Mrs. Lois Callis. She will be followed, in not necessarily this order, by Mr. Charles Kuebler the Administator of the hospital and Dr. Earl Loomis, Chief of Psychiatry. Mrs. Callis. Thank you very much for this opportunity. MRS. LOISANNE R. CALLIS, President, Board of Trustees, Eastern Long Island Hospital: Mr. Pell, members of the Board and residents of Southold Town. On behalf of the hospital I would like to thank you for giving us this opportunity today to share with you some of our hopes and plans for providing our community with a much needed additional facility at the hospital; a well planned, organized, secure mental health unit. I feel sure that the lives of most of you have been touched at one time or another by Eastern Long Island Hospital. During this, our Diamond Jubilee year, you can hardly have escaped reading or hearing that the hospital has been here for seventy-five years providing health care services to all who come to our door for help'; whether with 'physical or emotional problem and regardless of their ability to pay. ~hat you may not realize is what a dramatic and farsighted hope was in the minds of those 1905 citizens whose goal was to establish the first hospital in Suffolk County. These people were not concerned about themselves. They could afford to be ~re. ated at home by their private physicians. Their concern was for the needy, those who could not afford health care and had no means of traveling to the few hospitals located in the vcestern counties. With a license from the New York State Board of Charities,Eastern Long Island Hospita~ opened its doors in 1907 as a charitable institution supported by the Suffolk County community. Although today our methods of payment for health care have changed dramatically; throughout seventy-five years it has always been the support of the community both morally and financially, that has kept our hospital viable. If our plans for a mental health unit are realized your community support is vital. While the mission df those early founders: has basically changed little over the years, it ~as not until several years ago in its planning program that the Board of Trustees adopted a fOrmal mission statement as follows: The mission of Eastern Long Island Hospital is to provide qualified h,ealth care and disease prevention education to all ~esi-dents and visitors of South.old and Shelter Island, seeking tO serve the whole personphysically and mentally without invasion of the patient's personal rights. ~n order to effect this mission, a committee made up of Trustees and area residents sought to determine just what the unmet health needs of the community were, Six areas were then £dent~£ied. ~. A physical therapy program. We have since been able to open such a unit in the hospital. 2. An additional primary care phys:ician. We have been 'able to bring on staff and into the community a number of new doctors including both primary care and specialty physicians. 3. A heart diagnostic center. To serve particularly our growing older population the Yaeger Cardiology Department was opened complete with up-to-date ul'tra-monitoring and stress testing equipment. 4. Ambulatory care. While recognized as a need and plan in the I972 construction program, this service was stalled for a time due 'to contractor difficulties. However, our ne~' out-patient department commen~ed, operation in May of 1979. 5. Alcoholism and ~etoxification. Although area residents have been treated at the hospital for alcoholism almost since the doors were opened, our seventh patient, as a matter of record, was treated for this disease. We also now have formal arrangements with the ~=.~ County of Suffolk to additionally treat migrant workers. The last area identified as a community need was mental health and this still remains an unmet health need. In the past mental health patients h~ve been treated at the hospital on a scatter-bed basis. However, the number o£ people requiring such treatment has increased markedly over the past five to ten years and we feel that our present methods are inadequate. A proposal for a sepamate menta~ health unit was developed several years ago. Although this plan has the'endorsement and approval of the Board of Trustees, Administration and the hospital medical staff, funding for construction has not been available. Now, with an improved financial picture at the hospital, with the help of Greg Blass we are hopeful 'that the County of Suffolk will come to the assistance of its oldest hospital by providing a construction grant and we hope that you too, as our founders did seventy-five years ago, will be concerned for the unmet health needs of our community and support our plans for a mental health unit to meet the needs of the East End. Mr. Kuebler, our Administrator, will present to you some of the details and plans of our program and we thank you for having us here today. MR~ CHARLES E. KUEBLER, Administrator, Eastern Long Island Hospital: As some of the planning background I'd like to, if I could, display to you a drawing of the area and somewhat an over- view of our plans for the mental health unit. (Mr. Kuebler displayed a drawing of the proposed mental health unit.) As Mrs. Catlis mentioned, there is a lot of planning going on and in part of the process the hospital,with scheduled plans in 1972 to complete the addition to the hospital 'as well as the major project was to renovate the hospital. This was to meet current needs, licensing needs as well as the state code regulations for health care and for operating within Suffolk County. To that extent the project was begun, and as you all may know about the construction problems that we ran into. In that course of events the Board was reevaluating the process and the planning committee was still looking at what was projected. What was projected was 90 medical-surgical beds. Yet we looked at our experience and found that rea-ly on an actual basis the 20,000 population that Eastern Long Island Hospital counts as a primary service area, which is Southold Town and Shelter Island, approximately -- they would only be able to fill approximately 59 beds on an average annual basis. To that extent they looked also at what kind of services the hospital was providing and of course AS me~t~d, the main services were identified and mental health was one of the key items. In the course of evaluating mental health, one of the factors came into pay, what were its demands, what was the minimum viability and what was the ne~.d for the community. ~n reviewing this very carefully it was found that the needs of the community were not only for the Southold Town and Shelter Island but also for the entire east end and a unit that would service only Southold and Shelter Island would not be viable and would not be able to function because it would only require approximately five beds. To that extent we reviewed the programing and needs of the entire east end was undertaken. It was identified that a 19 bed unit would be viable if it had the ability to shrink during the low census perio~ of time, during the summertime when medical-surgical demands is the greatest and also be able to expand in the wintertime when the mental health needs are the greatest. This has been documented through, an independent evaluation of the demands for mental health ~ervices on the east end by an independent firm Ernst and Winnie (sp). In the course of their documentation of this program they said that a unit is definitely viable, a unit is definitely necessary which also confirmed other independent studies by the Suffolk County Health Services Division mental hygiene group as well as the state. And the location of this unit in Eastern Long Island Hospital would certainly be desirable in terms of the service to the east end not only to help the hospital from a standpoint of financial but also more to provide the services that are greatly needed. Some of the things that were reviewed in the course of this project and one of those was the fact that Eastern Long Island has been providing some mental health services for many years. ~e do not identify by exactly the number of years but we know it is more than the last ten years. Secondly~ we also have been providing services for alcohol patients going back since 1907, as Mrs. Callis mentioned, the seventh patient. Thirdly, the drug program where there have been needs of people for detox- ification from abuse of drugs. These programs ~hich already have been in place, services have been provided but have not -- some of them need to grow more, others do not need to grow as much. The one area that is of greates need is mental health. To that extent we looked at what type of services are available today for the east enders. The only servic~s-'reklly that are available are Catholic Charities,which is located in Mattituck, which is an out- patient counseling services; various psychiatrists and psychologists practicing in their own private practices in their offices; Alternatives Counseling with the North Fork Counseling Service located in various areas through the east end and also we have Central Islip which is a nearby mental health hospital. Any patient that requires mental health hospitalization is required to be sent more than 50 miles to Central Islip for hospitalization. Of course as some of you know there is a small unit located at Mather Hospital, it is only a ten bed unit. We understand that they have a waiting list there for more than fifteen to twenty days. Of course, somebody in need of these services is in need of services much quicker than waiting for a removely located unit. In the process of developing our project we outline several areas. One is that we like to serve the ~st end. This is the minimum size that we could consider. Secondly, we tO6ked at the fact that we would only want to serve short term patients. That would mean the maximum length of stay of forty-five days. If the patients care required more than forty- five days length of stay we would seek to transfer them perhaps to Stony Brook or Central Islip. If that were to occur then we would help with the reintegration of patients back into the community when we felt it was appropriate for him to come back for that care. The other factor in terms of projecting our operations and we looked at an average length of stay of twelve to fifteen days. What we are saying is we expect th~ majority of patients to come in obtain some help; intensive counseling and therapy and be out and back in the community functioning well rather than being put away like happened many years ago. The area that was necessary is that we be available for emergency. I think this ares has been brought up frequently by the local justices and also by the police department that they need that type of support and backup services. Out program~would provide that. Another area that was addressed was chronic, the need for a long term care. As we looked at this we looked at the mission of the hospital we felt that providing tong term care of a year or two years length of stay was not in the hospital's mission. That was inappropriate Therefore this is part of the reasoning behind setting the maximum length of stay of forty-five days. Lastly we looked at the fact that we would i~itially focus on in-patient services~ Only secondarily and later on to focus and work with out-patient s'ervices. Under t~he concept of get the patient, in, treat them, bombard them with care, counseling, therapy, whatever is required, get them back into the community under medical supervision and maintain them on an out- patient basis. This removes them from being placed on the county welfare rolls or whatever rolls it may be on to bring down tax funds. Get them back functioning~ not to hide them away. That is really not out intention. The design of the unit was develope~ on the basis of providing maximum security. J~s-t for purposes of orientation, over ~o where I am pointing right here is Manor ~lace, on the ~lght we have Townsend Manor Marina and the Stifling portion of Stirling Creek. Over on this section is the Stifling Harbor M~rina. Th~ area, of course, we have Pell's fishing docks. Our helip.~d is l~cated out in this area right here. The area that was added on to the hsopital is this section that protrudes out toward Manor Plaoe. The portion back here is the 1949 b~ilding that requi~es the renovation. The unit will be located on the second floor that building. The project that we propose is as autlined on this sheet (indicating). This area wh£ch is-the area that wa most recently opened is the Two East Patient Are~; it is this area here; it is immediately above the emergency room. The Two South Patient Area is the area, the 1949 building that would be renovated in such a fashion to provide adequate to!le~ which are no~ there; to open up this stair tower for fire escape; to install better updated e~ectrical system and to~bre~k it up into private individual rooms. ©ne~of the advantages o'f individual rooms is the £act that constantly the problem in the 'hospital is if you got a female in a s'emi-provate room~ you got a-female in one bed, the other bed is ~ocked out if you have a male coming in for admission. So this would give us the miximum fZexibi'lity iwthout having that concern. Secondly, it is designed in such a fashion that we would have a set of doors control pointing ~t th~s point and a set at this point as well as, of course, on the main stair tower going down. This would provide the maximum capability of eighteen beds with the nursing station, quiet room. We would also have a dining area, separate dining area, whfCh would have a group therapy section as well as an occupational recreational therapy and we would have offices where the psychologists and psychiatrist, social worker and others' would provide counseling services to the patients. This rea, when no~ required, o~ when this area is required for medical-surgical services could be shrunk in such a fashion as to close off the door at the end by the solarium here, open this door up (indicating) close another set of doors by the nursing station and shrink the unit to a tan hed~ yet providing all of the services that we had in that unlt~ rn ~dditi~n to that, should serve the needs of an increase for medical-surgical patients even greater. We would close an additional set ~f doors in this area and shrink it by another two beds, thus permitting all of'these other areas to relate to the Two East Medical-Surgical ~.~ ~n.~ ~ ~~ ~nL~time~!i~ome~;~d ~e ~ee the increase in psychiatric demands we could open it up again and set back. To this extent we would meet the requirements of maintaining a unit that has all the services yet is still a locked unit. In other words, locked, that means provide security for the public as well as for the patient. This is a two-way street. We like to protect the patients so they can obtain the care they need at the same time we would also like to p~otect the public. To that extent this program would address some of the concerns that have been raised about security. To review, just briefly, some highlights of the program. We are looking az a short term care program. We do not want patients coming into program that would require to stay a year. It would tie up the beds, it would limit the ability to admit and provide the care that we feel is really necessary for them. Secondly, we are talking about a unit that would accept involuntary admissfons. Involuntary admissions are people who require health services but do not necessarily know that they require them. To that extent we would provide the services, appropriately notify the state as is the state and requirement to keep them informed and also inform the patient of their rights and their protection under the health code as well ad under the law. To that extent these patients would be retained is we could bring them to a point where they would willingly convert over and become voluntary patients; then they would be maintained as voluntary. If we were unable to manage them we would seek to transfer them out o~ the area to another facility that is more appropriate and suitable for them. The last item is the question that has been raised 2bout security. As mentioned, we do have a mixed unit where mental health patients are through-out the hospital on a scatter-bed basis. Through this program locked unit we can provide the secuirty that is being requested, that is a concern to all o~ us. Dr. Loomis if you would like to speak of the medical points ...... R. EARL LOOMIS: Mr. Pell, membersof the Board, fellow citizens. I am Earl Loomis and I am a psychiatrist who has been in practice out here ~bout seven years full time and as an emergency weekender; my emergencies and patients emergencies for twenty five years. I've been working with the hsopital for the past six years and caring for pateints as a liason psychiatrist. That means somebody who gets called in when an internist or surgeon or pediatrician has a problem wondering if there is a psychiatrie¢~dimension to the care of a patient. In time the doctors here came to trust me to bring in my own prob. lems and they have been generous in allowing my patients and me to make use of the hospital along with all other kind of diagnosis that are admitted and we worked along together very cooperatively and in fact I've depended on the hospital and the other physicians to render the quality of care that I believe is appropriate to every psychiatric patient. I think they deserve top notch medical care and the newly admitted person, like any person deserves first rate diagnostic skills and clear cut differential diagnoais so.that they are not treated for one ~ondition when they have another or not treated for one condition when there are two and consequently we've had quite a lot of experience in working alogn together with cases thatseem to be about 90% psychiatric and other that seem to be about 10%. What we have had that we're going with and what we're going to have if we admit a great many more people is the need for privacy, the need for activities areas and as has been mentioned b&fore the need for security. That means simP!y the fact that when people are apprehensive an anxious, and want to be alone or need to be along they will nto be forced into the main stream of the hospital all at once. Thye can come into a situation where they can have nurses who are specially trained to work with their kinds ~f problems and there they can have group activities to fill their time and not j~st have to sit and watch other people's bottles drip. This is a great deal of empty time for the psychiatric patient at the present time. We hope to fill this with occupational therapy and group therapy as well as what we are now offering them which has been, I am sure, quite beneficial. We also hope to give the nurses which we already have, some of whom had exceptional gifts and talents and some of them have exceptional psychiatric skills and some even specific background in this area a chance to work together as a team just as a cardiac team works together in intensive or other, on in coronary care. This chance for team work is something that I very much look forward to and hope we'll have to offer here. Back in 1907 when the hospital was opening its doors my father graduated from medical school and he told me someti~'e~ago about his training in psychiatry which consisted of a one afternoon visit to a med hospital. In those days psychiatric hospitals consisted of distant places; places parked as far as possible from the main stream of life; places put out in,the woods; places put out in the country or on Top of mountains or someplace far off almost a De¥i~'s Island kind of arrangement. Trouble was with this arrangement was the patients didn't get home again, they often stayed long enough so that they prefered to stay of there was no way back. One of the advantages that I've seen happen since I graduated from medical school thirty some years after mY father was that within fifteen years of my graduation hosptials were no longer being isblated, they were being bUilt:~in medical centers; they were being built in university~centers; they were being built in smaller communities and progressively smaller units. Units of ten, twenty, forty, maximum of fifty beds. Twenty beds is a very good round number. Eighteen, twenty, twenty-five. They are Workable numbers. They are numbers within which one can receive people, diagnose them, give them short term treatm~nm~ get them back in the community, sort them out, provide them with medical care and perhaps one case in twenty-five~perhaps one in twenty, provide them with longer care through diganostic and appropriate transfer to longer ~ern care insii~l~ons. We find it is very seldom and it is becoming more seldom as we have more psychiatrY,s here to help me; I have a full time associate now, Doctor Ninneger. It iS very seldom we can't p~ovide, through the nurses, through the hospital, through the other doctors, the care that's needed. We are more and-more oftener abZ~to provide the care and less and less often have to transfer. But here we have a chan~, a chance to expand the unit and give deeper and better care and we have a chance to provide the patients, a chance to stay within their community, get back to their homes, get back to their marriages, their families or jobs and have a follow up by physicians they have known during their hospitalization. They won't have ~o traipse fifty or severty miles back for their follow-up visits or chamge to another doctor, they will have the continuity of care and that's important to me as a physician. I have explored with the other psychiatrists on the Island; there are seven on the south fork and two in private practice in Riverhead and they share with me their feelings almost unanimously that they are certainly could and would use a unit closer to home, they wouldn't have to send patients to Amityville if they could send them to Greenport. Moreever some of them would like to take part in the active treatment and all of them~in the after care for their patients that they refer in. In other words, I think we'll h~e patients, I think we'lI have staff, we're going to have more psychiatrists coming as soon as we have something for them to do and we certainly are going to be able to train, from the nursing compliment we have, a good-group working together and especially with a couple of senior people that will help to supervise and a couple of additional full time people on the staff in occupational therapy and so forth...iI see that security then becomes something of giving secuirty to the community. Look, if you or I or my borther or your sister needs help, it's here. It's secuirty for help, it's security for privacy that they can go in and hgve a place where while they are in need of it they can be isolated temporarily but at the same time they are isloated and surrounded by loving tender care and with good scientific care and good theraputic techniques and know how and it gives a chance ~o feel that thereis security for the community from people who might wish ~o, in a moment of rage or illness to do harm and also people tp be protected from their own selves. The harm this person who gives harm or somebody who loses control is himself. Drivin- his car into something or putting a gun to himself or something else. Somehow, the commonest danger is to the patien~ himself. We try and protect our patients and provide them secuirty and ~ry to provide the community security and we ~ry ~o provide staff security. I think we can do this a lot better if we have our own unit and our own staff on hand and it will be a twenty - four hour source. Twenty- four hours a day, weekends and all. Various health units are closed up, a lot of them close up on Friday afternoon. Come along four or five o'clock until Monday morning there isn~ anybody on call. We at the hospital propose to be on call and would have a better service ~o offer. I certainly would be happy to answer questions if there are any. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much, Dr. Loomis, Mr. Keubler? MR. KUEBLER: Supervisor Poll and Town Council, I wanted to we wanted'to make this presentation to you in such a manner because we've often been accused of being more concerned about dollars than we are about patient care. But I think all of you read some in the paper, at least some of the material the hospital has put out in reference tO the fact that we have to operate like a business even though we are not-for-pro, it hospital, even though we exist premarily for care we have to use a lot of business techniques and technology of operating a business. We primarily focused on care and the need for it because that has been one of the biggest questions, is there a need for the services and I indicated that we documented through an independent study that there is a need for an eighteen bed mental health unit that we could fill on an average annual basis approximately sixteen of those ~eds, on an average annual basis. Of course, that leaves room for f~u~tuation up and down. The other area in terms o£ finan'ce is the importance ~f this unit. Several area the hospital operates on a continuous and regular basis that are not profitable and are not supportive of the hospital but costs money And in fact costs more than tie revenues that we bring in from our third party insurance carrier and so forth. Many of these areas are integral, are the key ingre, lients of the hospital that we must provide as a basis service to 5his commuAity yet we cannot finance them because the revenues fo n)t pay for the high cost of their operation. The advanced technolo::y that is required to be utilized in those areas. TO that extent meiltal health is an area where we can talk about a service et high t~chnology and excellent program we can provide and yet it will be th~ reverse of those. It's revenues that will bring to the hospital wLll be much less than the cost we have to lay out for it. Our relm')ursement comes in on a basis that is equal to the medical-surgical ')atient reimbursement yet the costs of operation are much much lesi~. This program we anticipate will offset those losses from the o';her service areas that are absolute necessities for the community. We've heard a few rumors that, gee,. you know, the hospital, th~:administrator of what ever it is, the hospital wants to change'ti~e hospital into a mental health facility. No, that is not the p~rpose. Mental health and psychiatry can only exist, it exists .)n an equal basis with medicine, surgery and pediatrics and th:tt is what our sim is. But we also find though that in the staze a sixty-six bed hospital under reimbursement formulas cannot s~rvive. Moving to a ninety bed hospital is great but they have to ]~e filled and you can't fill them just on putting patients in there because we also have a review program and it checks to make su:-e every patient has to be there and I'm sure many of you have ]~eard about that program fr;om time to time. This program is provid:.ng a needed service, it b~ings in the additional revenues that are needed very much bY the hospital. Will it guarantee the hospital~'s ~u':ure forever? No, I can't answer that as affirm- ative but 1 can t,~I you this. it will certainly make the hospital much more necessa:-y; an important facility in view of the state's attitude of certa:~n hsopitals are not necessary and are closed. It will certainly lm]~rove out position financially for at least the next four or five years; that we know already, ls it the answer? No, it is not, bu'; it gives us greatly needed time that we need to find the answer', hopefully look fo~ a change in reimbursement and secondly, it ~eets a need that exists right here in our community and on the east e~d. Again, thank you very much for your time today and we'll be glad to answer any questions that you might have. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much. The way I ~vould like to do this is let the a~deince, ~nything they would like to ask any of the hospital here I turn the floor over to you at this time, then the Board last. ~nybody on the floor wish to address anybody here? MR. DAVID D~SCOL : I'd just like to ask Mr. Keubler, what do you intend to do wit! the elderly people on this. fleer, who I believe under state law, re qualified and should be in a nursing home? I'm not advocatin: that they put put out, certainly not, But what are you going to [o with them? MR. KUEBLER: Th~ ~ is a very good point~ Mr. Driscoll. And I'm glad you did ask it be~ause it has been one thatis of great concern to us. We witness alcouple of things, and let me just point out by state law we cannot put them out. There is a state law that outlines that patients can only be discharged through levels appropriate to their needs. What we have seen already in the month of June, we have been carrying up until June £or the last year and a half an average census of approximately eighteen of these patients that require a nursing home care rather than acute hospitalization. In the month of June we have seen that number drop to nine and it continues to remain at about that level. Secondly, though, we've also been advised that ~here are major efforts going on down Island to build additional nursing home beds to take these patients. And it is our understanding, or we know already, that Sayville Nursing Home has been reopened. Now that's quite a distance away. That has 150 beds. We've also been advised that planning has approved three hundred beds in Smithtown and we also understand that another three hundred nursing home beds have been approved in Patchogue. These are all in the plan, they are not here today but they are scheduled to be built late 1981, 1982. To that extent we see that although those beds per se would not affect Eastern Long Island Hosepital because that is Too far for us to trans£er these nursing home patients t~, what would be happening is a ripple effect. The hospitals close to these homes and nursing homes patients would be moving there, vacancies would be created further east and as they get closer to us then our patients that we have, the nursing home patients, would be moving into nursing homes that are closer. So this is going to create an entire ripple effect and we envision that this number to return to a level of possibly two or three as it was before 1978. SUPERVISOR PELL: Aren't a lot of those rooms unfisnished now? Isn't that the wing that's unfinished? MR. KUEBLER: That's the wing that they began renovations on the left hand portion or the northerly portion of that floor. The southerly portion, the renovations were never begun at all. There were a few pipe chasers put through, there was a ---hea~ing was taken out and on an emergency basis in 1977 they put back in temporary hea~ing and air conditioning which is what the area operates with right now. That's where the majority of the nursing home patients that Mr. Driscoll was speaking about are housed. MR. DRISCOLL: Let me f~tow that with one more point. Ts it not true that you do take drug patients that are paid for by the county? MR. KUEBLER: Yes, that is true. MR. DRISCOLL: Now, without superiv±~on and without --- MR. KUEBLER: We have been accepting thes~ patients for over a year and a half. We have part of the soft drug ~buse program with Su£folk county who provides the screening of these patients before they are directed to us'. They are voluntary admissions of patients who are abusing soft drugs. Pills, barbituates~ whatever it is MR. DRISCOLL: You had a few disastrous effects. MR. KUEBLER: Well, there have been some periods ~f difficulty, yes there have been and I think that is something that with the unit we would propose that those patients be put near this unit, or if not in the unit so that they would have beeter supervision. They are supervised .... now though. MR. DRISCOLL: Do you think it is a good thing to have them in the proximity of regular patients in the hospital? MR. KUEBLER: We have found that it is very effective in terms of their care. We have provided a lot of help to people who have difficulty, that are abusing medications, particularly by taking and getting two or three doctors prescriptions. Each of the three doctors don't know the ohter prescribed something and we~ve been able to help these people recover. This-h~s been a very successful program to that extent. MR. DRISCOLL: Didn~t you have to put some out? MR. KUEBLER: No, we have not put any out. It is a voluntary program. If the patients don't want to voluntary participate in. the.program, then there is no:reason for them to be at the hospital. It is with any program. If the patient re~uses to follow' the doctor's orders or follow the nurse~s directions or accept the care that we providethem ........ hen there is no real reason for them to' be there because we cannot be responsible for them. JULY 9,0 285 MR. DRSICOLL: Isn't it true that a drug addict either has a choice of going to jail or going to the hospital? MR. KUEBLER: I can't answer that question. To my knowledge, no. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you very much. Members of the Board do they have anything they wish to address? COUNCILMAN MURDOCK & COUNCILMAN DRUM: We'want to thank them for coming. SUPERVISOR PELL: We thank you and i'm going to ask the Board to think this over and it will be on the agenda the next time the Board meets to see if we can come up with a resolution of support that is appropriate. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Mr. Kuebler, at one time you and I had a very informal discussion as to the eventual state take-over of the hospital. Where does that stand and where does Eastern Long Island stand relative to that process? Is that still an ongoing process? MR. KUEBERL: Again I would tike to say that is a very good question. Where that stands right now is that recommendation or request by the Board of Trustees to the state to consider that action with relation- ship to Stony Brook. But I would consider it being put on the back burner. It is still there. There is no action being taken for or against it. Just to point out as I mentioned be£ore, the adoption and development of the mental health program is not an ultimate solution to the hospital's problem. Out cost containment efforts h~ve been very effective by what we've been able to accomplish as outlined in our annual report. We continue those cost containment efforts. We also look to serve the community and by providing for more of their needs. Mental health is another step in that direction. The problem we still face as any small hopsital £aces is the State of New York, is the reimbursement program. And if thereis no relief for that program the ultimate of moving twards the state, the state to pick up Eastern Long'Island Hospital and operate it in this community for the benefit of this community will probably be the only solution other than closure of the hospital totally and cessation of that service. COUNCILMAN NI:CKLES: What you're saying then, is that basically this is the trustees prescription for the patient which is the hospital to survive. How much time in the future before you need another program or is that going to bring us into that period where we're going to be living, so To speak, and the state comes in and says this hospital, that hospital, w~l~e~o~g::,to ~o~inue~helping~ those hospitals. I can'z think of the hopsital in the city -- nothing happened there a~d boom they're gone. I don't know if I'm phrasing my questions properly --- MR. KUEBLER: I think I know the direction you're heading and I know Mrs. Callis would like to speak on it. MRS. CALLIS: I'd like to address that if I may becuase being President of the Board of Trustees -- it is the repsonsibility of the Board of Trustees to keep the hospital viable and as Mr. Kuebte~ said, ~e of the roots that we are look.~ng far ~han we were having quite severe financial problems was. the pos~!h~lit~ of some kind of merger with the state. I think that we h~ve to look for, John, is this: hospitals are being helped to survive today on the crisis basis which you mentioned. There are even a number of bills before the senate now to help hospitals as the.y' reach the crisis basis. What we are trying 5o do is to keep thi[s hsopital going and surviving and laying plans so that we never reach tha~ crisis basis because then the state may s'ay, well~ we don't consider you little sixty-six bed hsopital in rural Long Island a necessary facility. What is discouraging to us is the fact that the state still has really not come with plan.s, to help those hospitals survive, not the crisis state~ but on going survival. There are a number of new methodologies. New Jersey is experimenting with a highly different methodology of reimbursement. The health committee in the senate is supposed to have been for the last eight weeks come out with a new methodology. What we're trying to do is survive until those ne~ methodologies come out and we think at that time the whole health system and the whole reimbursement JULY 22, 1980 system in New York State has got to improve, it cannot get much worse. Does that answer your questions? It is s thing that we are trying to do to keep untiI some kind of a new system comes out. This merger with Stony Brook was just one thought along the path. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: That merger is out with Stony Brook? MRS. CALLIS: Not out, as Cha~lie said, on the back burner. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: That's where you were hoping to be come affiliated in terms of teaching interns? MRS. CALL~S: Right, that they would be sending physicians out here to do samity practice and work in 'a rural setting that they're not used to and we would have the sophistication of the Stony Brook University. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: And what ms it you want the Town Board do? MR. KEUBLER: We are asking for the Town Board's endorsement of the mental health service program so that we might continue to provide the care and expand the -- to providing the care to the residents of the Town of ~outhold, Shelter Island, the east end. SUPERVISOR PELL: Any other Board members wish to say anything? If not, on behalf of the Town Board I want to thank you people, Mrs. Callis, for coming, Charlie, Dr. Loomis and we will turn the floor over now to anybody who would like to address the Board from the floor. JULIUS KINEZEL: I am here on behalf of a group of petitions who sign regarding the noise problem that was referred to a little while ago. In the~early fall o£ 1979 the residents of New Su££olk, particularly t~ose on First Street, Second Street, King Street, Main Street and even as far as Orchard Street, which is three blocks away, approximately, have been subjected to loud and unnecessary noise between the hours of 10:00 P.M. and 3:00 A.M~, specifically on weekends and sporadically at other times during the week. The noise eminates from the establishment known as Captain Ahab's located on Fist Street Between King and Main Streets in New Sugfolk. The noise is so loud that is is preventing the residents from proper sleep and is now jeopardizing our won mental and physical health. Repeated calls to the police have only resulted in further £rustration The police report that they have ao noise ordinance to enforce, thus allowing the situation To conIinue, a fact I find is incredible, no noise ordinance. It implies that anyone can make any loud noise any time during the night and not be prevented from doing so. I have some pamphlets that I will pass out to you regarding the e££ects of noise on your health, it's called "Noise Makes You Sick", put out by the New York City government and they got it from the federal government. I am also in possession of a tape recording that I made on July 13th between the hours of 1:00 and 2:00, not being able to sleep because of the noise which I would like to pay for you now so that you understand why we're so upse~ about this. (Mr. Kinezel played his tape recording.) You are just thirty feet away. This tape was made about fifty feet away inside a building~ As you heard, our health is mn jeopardy, isn't it? Our little hamlet, as in Southold, consists of working adults and children, old and retired people, like you have here, and some of them are sick and needing restful surroundings and as a matterof fact there is one resident I know of personally om King and Main Street who is under a doctor's care for a sermous illness and the only time this poor woman can get relief from constant pain is when she's asleep and to have her suddenIy jarred awake between the hours of 10:00 P.M. and 3:00 in the morning because of drag racing cars and othe- noise coming from this establishment is more than cruel, it is inhuman. Now, King Street between Captain Ahab's, this was known as Harbor Inn and was a quiet local pub. I live directly behind, approximately 180 feet from the property line and in my nine years of residence I never heard a sound from there, not from Harbor Inn, although he had a juke box. Almost mmmediately from the time the present owner took possession we have been subject to this noisy outrage. Captain Ahab's apparently is desirous of appealing to a small group of a certain type by advertising rock disco sounds as far away as Riverhead and other localities. The hamlet of New Suffolk does not require a disco type of establishment for the furtherment of th~ community. A noise ord'inance is not only needed but it is vital is we are to preserve the unique charm and tranquility of our beautiful area as well as preserving our health. The members of the Town Board had an obligation to the vo~ers, taxpayers and our senior citizens and especially to the children to see to it that we are not subjected any longer to this threat to our health. Some- thing can be done and you have the power to legistlate a noise ordinance so that the police can act effectively. Thank you. FRANCIS KARG, 13 King StreeT, New Suffolk: What Mr. Kinezel is talking about is the noise. Now, it's not so much -- that's true, but if you check the police blotter you'll find that between 11:00 o'clock 12:00 o'clock and 5:00 o'clock Sunday morning, that's - Saturday 23:00 Satruday night to 0500 hours Sunday morning you'll find at least two or three phone calls. You's think you're at the Riverhead Speedway the way they come out. You can check with Dean down at the DPW how many full stop signs he put up. You can check with the neighbors how much property damage they've had. You can check with Captain Marry when they urinate in his telephone booth and ~he lives, Loria lives right down the street. But you cannot get a police of£icer down there either in an unmarked car, either in a patrol car. If they do show up, it should not be for us to call. If you've got a trouble area and you've been notified about it and it's going on for two years and it's meted down to six hours a week and you can't have a man there, you're so tied up with manpower that you can't have a man there? You read in the paper where Justice , that he has rapped them for fines for unsafe leaving of the curb. In other words they can often - spinning rubber. Take a ride down New Suffolk Avenue down by Wickhamrs old house, look at the skid marks in the road. That's all from them. We got beer bottles, we got everything in our place and I mean I can't understand why if this has been going on since '79, he started in March, we can't have a police officer down there at 3:30 when the gin mill is supposed to be closed, or do they have the thing that they got a right to do it? I mean, I can't under~ ...... ~ s~and it. And also, if you check your assessment rolls, which is~:.~.~ .... ~: your business, but it is mine, we get rapped all the time in ...... assessment for an improYement on our homes. He made his improve- ment in the spring of '79 and his assessment hasn't been changed yet. But I'm told when I did a shingling job on a 5 by 12 extension that I got my assessment raised. And he did a whole building. I'm not talking about the inside. And there is no change in his assessment. Now, I don't know whether the grape v~ne goes this deep or just as deep as the front office but I mean there should be no excuse. Can you tell me why you can't -- why they are so tied up with police power, you're not shorthanded. SUPERVISOR PELL: The Police Committee wilt be meeting in the next day or two with the chief of police and this will be discussed. I have not discussed it with the chie~ of police other than hearing you folks say - hearing what you have to say then we will call the chief of police in and see what we can do. MR. KARG: If you go down last year at this time, I went down and gave my name and address and everything else ~o their man on the desk and all and there should be no occasion where - if you have a tough spot in Town you know yourself if it's in your business you know enough to watch yourself for the next spin around, if you can't you know what they all say when you get it the second time, God forgive me. SUPERVISOR PELL: We will be working on this, The Town Board will work on it --the Police Committee --- MR. KARG: Last night I don't know which was louder, but I know which lasted longer. The band, the band and the people leaving the place, the thunder storm lost. They out the thunder storm. You don't stir the po~ up unless somebody s~a~s stiring you up. MR. TOM FLURRY, New Suf£olk: We don'~ deny the man making a living, but why should some o~ the others in the area be disturbed? You can go up and if you report to the pol~e they'll tell y9u, we know who is doing it but got to catch him in the act. They are never around to catch him. There is one car in particular, we can even -oo ULY 19s0 give you the license number, That is causing all the havoc and you get no satisfaction if you call up they tell you, well, the man has to make a living, and they give you a lot of double talk. Or they are tied up with a three car accident, that's a good one. I've had that several times. Then they wan~ to know who's calling, how Old you are, as if you are in the advanced age of senility. I don't see, well, it's a common statement now, if you wan~ the police you don'~ dial 911, you dial 7-11 and you'll probably get them. you know what I mean. They're always head-on talking ~o one another. COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: I'm sympathetic to your problem. There are just two things, I lived on New Suffolk Avenue from 1973 to '75. That was always a speedway. That situation hasn't changed, okay, when that wasn't there. Second, have you approached the owner no ask his cooperation? MR. FLURRY: I have nothing to do with it. COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN: Has anyone here approached the owner? Many times or never? MR. KINEZEL: Certainly one of the reasons why I didn't go there personally was because if he can thumb his nose at the police and he gives me a sno~ty answer I lose control. I don't want ~o do that. That's why I didn't go and I called the police to shut them up. COUNCILMAN DRUM: Where we don'z have a noise ordinance in this Town there is MR. KINEZEL: That's incredible. COUNCILMAN DRUM: I say we don't have a noise ordinance. There is another approach that can be taken. Mr. Tasker? Citizens disturbing the peace? TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Just from the people that are in this room, it is a public nuisance~) obviously and so that has been on the books from the Pilgrim days. There is no reason in my view why the police can't use that. MR. KINEZEL: You said public nuisance. It is much more than a public niusance. Read that (referring to pamphlet "Noise Makes You Sick". SUPERVISOR PELL: Ail right. I will'read it. Let me say this in response to all that is being said here today. The Town Board Police Committee, which I am on, Councilman Drum and Councilman Nickles, will be meeting with the Police Chief in the very near future to discuss several problems throughout the Town and this is one that we will highlight on and go into great details on and I will get back to one of you, whoever you care it zo be. Does anybody else wish to be heard? MR. JARVIS VERITY: Mr. Pell and Southold Town Board, I'm over here to find out how you gnetlemen made out with the Gull Pond situation. abouz the boats tied up over there. SUPERVISOR PELL: We have not got anything back from Albany yet. We are waiting until we get a reply back from them. MR. VERITY: Okay, thank you very much. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else wish to be heard? MR. ANDREW GOODALE, New Suffolk: Town Board, I am Andrew Goedale from New Suffolk and I was asked by Mr. Kinezel as to what could be done in order to stop the nuisance that he complained abouv. I had done a little research into the facz that in the Penal Law there is a statuze thaz specifically states that unnecessary noise is a common nuisance to which the council refers. It would appear to me that if we have sufficient members of the community of New Suffolk who are inconvenienced and not only an inconvenience but definitely annoyed that the Town Board has some obligation to take some action. 1 had spoken to Chief Cataldo about this and he had indicated that he would be in liason withtthe Town Board in connection with a noise ordinanoe. There are several noise ordinances which are on the stature books and I believe that we subscribe to now a Town supplement that comes through from Spencerport. I believe, New Yrok, in which they will give the Town Board the advantage of what they have and it will be the type of an ordinance that will have some teeth and what it would appear to me to be is that it would have to be specified as to what the decibels would be, what constitutes unnecessary noise and that there would be some enforcement. Now this is something that also has the attention of the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation and if I can quote the newspaper article correctly, they have a situation where the DA's now will be given some input into what constitutes unnecessary noise. So I am asking that in the event that this matter is to be put down again that it be scheduled for an e~ening hearing in which many many New Suffolkers probably will attend and that my particular interest here is to see that Mr. Kinezel has some representation in terms of suitable legislation to eliminate a commonlaw nuisance of noise. Thank you very much. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Mr. Goodale. Anybody else wish to address the Town Board: If-tnot, the motion is in order to adjourn. On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Sullivan, it was RESOLVED that there being no further business to come before This Town Board meeting ad~ournmen~ be called at 5:00 P.M. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Sullivan, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Niekles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. ~Judith- T. Terry Town Clerk