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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-04/14/1981145 SOUTHOLD TOWN BOA'RD April 14, 1981 WORK SESSION 1:10 P.M. - Mr. Peter Sanko of Sea Grant and Mr. Donald Stanton appeared before the Board to discuss their meeting with Chairman of the Parks and Beach Committee Couvc, ilmm. n Nicklem, Councilman Murphy and Highway Superintendent Dean concerning the erosion problem at Kennev's Beach,..~Southold. Mr. Sanko outlined the long term and short term alternatives. The long term alternative would be to replenish the beach by bringing sand in by truck, however, such a plan would be extremely cosily to the'Town~ The short term proposal was nature assisted beach enhancement which would consist of bulldozing the sand back from lqw-water starting in May and doing it periodically two to four times throughout the season. This has been done in the past by the Public Works Depart- ment at the Town beaches. Mr. Sanko and Mr. Stanton assured the Board that such a program should work and is relatively inexpensive. This nature assisted beach enhancement program would be available to many property owners with DEC approval. Supervisor Pell asked if the Town would be liable fora'law suit from people to the west. Mr. Sanko feels it would benefit the people to the west and there would be no problem with them, and he does not forsee any damage to the people to the east, but the program should be done in moderation. Mr. Stanton said he is also of the opinion there is a Iow probability there would be a negative effecz to the people to the east.--Councilman Nickles recommended to the Board that the Department of Public Works proceed with.the nature assiste4 beach enhancement program which should'cost, over the season, between $500.00 and $1000.00. Councilman Murphy and Highway Superintendent Dean concurred in the recommendation, as did the remainder of the Board.--The Board discussed the Goldsmith Inlet jetty situation with Mr. Sanko and Mr. Stanton. 1:45 P.M. - Mr. James McMahon, Director of the Southold Town Dalinq~enc_v D~version and Prevention Program addressed the Board concerning the proposed application for a $75,000.00 Southold Town Police Juvenile Bureau grant. Mr. McMahon outlined the proposed budget_ for the Bureau which included a Youth Coordinator (Mr. McMahon) at a salary of $18,500.00, Juvenile Officer at a salary of $21,800.00 (Southold Town Police Officer), part-time secretary receptionist at $5,500.00, part-time youth aid at $4,680.00, benefits for the employees at $20,078.00, office equipment and expenses at $755.00.--Councilman Nickles expressed the opinion that he doe~ n~t ~.ei that in the four weeks that Mr. McMahon has been managing the DD&PP the Town has had sufficient time to evaluate the program, and would want such an evaluation before such a grant is accepted by the Town. He is willing to go along with the application for the grant as long as there is sufficient time in the future to review the DD&PP program, and have Mr. McMahon present evidence as to the effectiveness of the program.--The Board agreed to adopt a resolution at the regular meeting authorizing- the Supervisor to make applica~tion for the grant and they will conduct a full review of the DD&PP before accepting the grant if it should be awarded. * * * EXECUTIVE SESSION 2:30 P.M. ~ The' Board discussed the police civil service list and the Town accounting department. 146 APRIL 14, 1981 WORK SESSION (continued) 3:25P.M. - Councilman Murdock discussed the proposals of Energy Development Corp. concerning Southold Town's municipal solid waste program. (A copy of the summary proposal from Energy Development Corp. is on file in the Town Clerk's Office). A synopsis of this report is: MSW-Southold, Ltd. wouI~ diSPose of all of the burnable municipal solid waste generated within the Township of Southold for a period of 20 years for ~ tipping fee of $10.00 per ton firm through 1990. MSW-Southold would incinerate 1up to one part in ten by weight of scavenger collected septic waste at a price o£ $80.00 per ton.--Councilman Murdock advised the Board he expects to have Energy Development Corp. address the Board at their first meeting in May. Councilman Murdock also advised the Board he will invite.the firm of Sacco and Ahlers to address the Board at their next meeting relative to Sacco and Ahlers' recommendations concerning the disposal area. The Board discussed the cutback in services due to CETA terminatinn~_ which are taking place in the Town. It was the entire Board's decision to put a freeze on future senior citizen bus trios until they have an opportunity to reev~IUate other programs in the Town that are in jeopardy of being terminate~-especially the Nutrition Program. Supervisor Pell advised the Board he would advise the senior groups of the Board's decision. 4:30 P.~l. - The Town Board met with Harold Dombeck and Gary Loesck of Holzmacher, McLendon and Nurrelt, and individuals from the Greenport Village government for a presentation by H2M on the Greenport-Southold 201W~stewater FacilitM P~.m, Alternatives Evaluation and Envirbnmental Assessment. The report consisted of the following: 1. Non-Structural Alternatives a. Optimization of the Greenport S.T.P. b. Land Use Control c. Fertilizer Control d. Water Supply Management Plan e~ septic Tank Management Plan f. Alternative On-site sewage disposal methods. 2. Structural Alternatives a. Expansion of the Greenport Collection System t. Sterling Basin 2. Pipes Cove 3. Conkting Point 4. North Greenport b. Sewering of the Mattituck Area c. Scavenger waste treatment and disposal d. Ultimate sludgedisposal (A tape recording of the presentation is on file in the Town Clerk's Office.) A regUlar meeting Of the Southold Town B'oard was held on Tuesday, April 14, 1981 at the Southold Town Hall-, Main Road, Southold, New York. Supervisor Pell opened the meeting at 5:30 P.M. with the Pledge ~f Allegiance to'the Flag. ~ Present: Supervisor William R. PelI., III Councilman Henry W. Drum Councilman John J. Nickles Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr. Councilman Francis ~ Murphy *** Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker Highway Superintendent Raymond C. Dean Absent: Justice Francis T. Doyen APRIL 14, 1981 147 On motion of Councilman Drum, se~nmem'~Dy;Ce~6~ilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that the next regular meetin~ of the Southold TQwn Board will be held at 3:00 P.M., Tuesday, A~ril 21. 1981 at the Southotd Town Hall, Main Road, SouthoId, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman-Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: Resolution number 1. This is a continuation of the last Board meeting we had a week ago. We ran out of time in the working day to discuss these things with the Town Board in detail so we postponed a lot of these things until today until we could get additional information and the Board could take the adequate time to go into them, so we are going into resolutions today. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that Supervisor William R. Pell, III be and he hereby is authorized and directed to make application on behalf of the Town of Southold for a grant under the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, as amended, and/or the Juvenile Justice an~ DelinGueacv Prevention Act of 1974, as amended, in the amount of $75,000.00 for a Southold T~wn Police Juvenile Bureau. Vote of the'Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor PelI. This resolution was declared duIy adopted. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of Southold be and she hereby is authorized and directed to advertise for bids for the purchase of 500 bushels, more or less, of uncertified chowder clams. for spawning purpo~= to be (1) picked up the Town and delivered ~o the Town Highway Department, Peconic Lane, Peconic, OR (2) delivered to the To~n Highway Department, Peconic Lane, Peconic, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles,. Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: We have on the agenda, number three, we want more information on. We still are not ready to move on it. We are. going to wait on that one until we can ~ind 'out some more information. (No. 3 - Amend the resolution establishing a minimum annual salary and minimum work week for all new employees to be qualified for benefits.) On motion of Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southotd Senate bill No. 858/Assembly bill no. 1~94 entitled, "AN ACT to amend the real property tax law, in relation to ~ollection Of taxes Sn installment~ by a school district'.', and the TOwn Clerk be and she hereby is authorized and directed to send a copy of this resolution to New York State Senator Kenneth LaValle and New York State Assemblyman John Behan. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. Moved by Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, WHEREAS, there exists a clear and explicit need to insure the safe and unimpeded navigation of many mil~s of waterways in Southold Town, and WHEREAS, the current program of contract, daily rental and in- house dredging is insufficient to complete the work necessary to insure the safe and unimpe.~ed navigation of the waterways; and WHEREAS, the maintenance of the harbors and waterways is vital to the economic well being of Southold residents, in that it is directly and indirectly involved in the fishing industry, and provides a safe haven and ~ree access for pleasure boaters to and from our many miles of rivers and nearby bodies of water, now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the South01d Town Board hereby ~rges Su£folk Countv~ to purchase.a larger county dredge and suooort eouioment, and be it further RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is authorized and directed to forward a copy of this resolution to Suffolk County Legislators Mrazek and Blass, Cl~rk' of' the Suffolk County Legis- APRIL 14, 1981 lature and Suffolk County Executive Cohalan. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: .Councilman I~urphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, SupervisOr Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 6~ On motion of Councilman Nickles, secondedby Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold ~ $4.000.00 from General Fund Whole Town Contingent Account A1990.4 to Program for the Aging A6772.1 to pay the salary of Dorothy ~ Mysliborski, Assistant Cook at the Southold Town Nutrition Center. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pett. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 7. On motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was I RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold supports ~_~ ,Senate bill no. 4094/Assembly bill no. 5625 entitled, "AN ACT to amend the highway law, in relation to extending the provisions therein ?elating to programs.for town highway improvement and inceasing the amount of state aid available therefor'[, and be it further ~ ~ ~ ........ RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is authorized and directed to send a copy of this resolution to New York State Senator Kenneth LaValle and New York State Assemblyman John Behan. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: In case you don't know what that~bitl is, it gives the Town aid on the mileage of roads. We get state aid on the amount of roads we have. 'We want the bill to be extended. On motion of Councilman Murdock, seconded by. Councilman Drum, it was RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is authorized and directed to advertise for bids for the modification 0f tw0 (2). libraries in the Town of Southold (Southold Library'ahd Mattituck Library), to ac¢0modate facilities for the handicanoed, in accord- ance with the Small Cities Single Purpose Program. Bid opening 10:30 A.~., April 30, 1981, Southold Town Hall. Vote. of th~ Town Board: Ayes: Councilman' Murphy,~.Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor PelI. This~.resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL:' Number 9 i~s out, we do not have ~to do that. It is a trans£er in Highway Item Budget IV and We do not'have to do a resolution for that one. On motion of Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold amend their resolution adopted onlMarch 31, 1981, setting the satar¥ for part- time ~adio Operator Patricia Johnson at $5.00 per hour to read: "at~$4.00 per hour". Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: ~Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murd0ck, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. SUPERVISOR PELL: The explanation of that one is that the part- time policemen be paid $5.00 an hour and the radio operators, part-time get $4.00 an hour. Last week-when we.did this in a rush I put the wrong number down, or somebody did, and the Town Clerk picked it up. 11. on motion of Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murdock, RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hire the following part-time police officerD ar a salary of $5.00 per . hour, effective this date,~pril 14, 1981: Carlisle Cochran, Jr., Marti~ Flatle~, Theodore Beebe, Jr, -.Vote of the Town Board: Ayes:~ Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor pell. This resolution was declared duly adopted. it was~. SUPERVISOR PELL: That completes the agenda we have prepared. Usually at this time we go to the Town Board and ask them i~ there is~anything they would like ~o bring up. I'm sure of one item ~outd like to bring up before I do that because I talked to ma~i~.o£ the people I.see here in the room today either in person in the last few days or by telephone. I talked to the Town Board on it in length during the past four months--three months. APRIL 14, 1981 ~?"~ :~ ..... ~::: 149 The Office Of Mental Retardation, First of all let me explain to you that my daughter does work there. She's 23 years old, she trained for this field. She worked for the State of Virginia before she came home to work for New York State. I said it before and I will say it again, when it comes to a vote I will abstain from any vote on this. This was reported in the press when my daughter first took the job and this first came up. It appears in the Board minutes and it will be in today. On December 30th we had two applications come before the Town Board. One was for Short Road Cutchmg~e one was for Drive: East M~r~n. These were read in~o the record under public notices. At that time we sen~ a letter to the office and invited the lady, Barbara Townsend, to come out and address the Town Board. On January 13th she came out and addressed the Town Board. On January 19th under the direction of the Town Board I wrote a letter to her and I will read you the last paragraph. "I'wo~ld appreciate it. if you Could hold in abeyance any decisions on the previously mentioned residences: Gillette Drive, Short Street ~rather Shot Road. Okay, that we did. She, Barbara Tov~send, has a jSb to do~ Upon further investigation Gillette Drive was withdrawn when ~ey, the Office of Nental Retardation,turned it down for structural reasons. Short Road was never turned down for structural reasons at that time, Gillette was. A mo~h ago Barbara Townsend was in visting a house in the. Village of Greenport, stopped in to this office She said, "What's new on Short Road? What's the feeling of the Town on that?" I said, "The feeling of Councilman Drum", who has been opposed from day one on it, opposed when she was here, I said, "Far as I know he still stands opposed to it.'.' Councilman Murdock was opposed on day one of it. After about a week, Council- man Nurdock came in and in his interpretation, he said, "I'm still opposed to it, but if they think they can use it, that's up to them. Personally I'm still opposed to it'.U I relayed this feeling to Barbara Townsend on that day. I said, "We have had~-I have had one or two telephone calls into this office opposed to that.'.' End conversation on Short Road until last work session of the Town Board. Councilman Drum says, "Where'do we stand on Short Road?" I said, "I really don't know.'.' Hank, Henry, Councilman called him 'up yesterday as I had called in too to find our where Short Road was. I talked to Barbara Townsend and was told that Short Road was already in process and that Supervisor Yell had given his blessing on Short Road. This morning I asked Hank what he found out yesterday. What did Barbara say to him yesterday? Hank told me exactly what I just said. ' I shook my head. I got through to Barbara Townsend to~ay. I said, "What is going on with Short Road?" I said, "We-officially are on record of asking you to hold it in abeyance until you come in to this decision from the Board as of letter,"-I spoke of ~he letter of January 19th. She says, "That is right." I said, "The day you were in my office you take that for official okay to move ahead on it?" She says, "Not really." I said, "Fine, what did you tell Hank yesterday that I gave you your blessing on it." I said, "This Town has not given the blessing on Short Road and where is it?" She said, "I't~s still in hold, one more step." It is going through, the next step. ,In talking to Councilman Nickles last night around half past five, six o'clock right out here sitting down in a chair, John explained the steps that they go through. So I said, "Barbara, there's one more step, in there we still have the final say on it?" She said, "You're right, Billy, there's one more step. The Town Board still has a chance to hold it." I said, "Well you put this on hold right now until you hear from us. We have a meeting today and are going to discuss this." She said, "Fine, no problem at all. It's on hold." I said, "As of the letter of the 19th, we will get a letter out in the near future, either this week or next Town Board meeting either for or against." Now, yesterday Joe Oates who is sitting in the back of the room done a superb job. He came in with a petition with many. names on it. In the last few days we have seen many, one, two, two additional letters come to my office to back up. Joe showed me today something that is very worthwhile and I'. asked him to leave a copy of it with me today and will you read Article Number 9, Joe, please. Use the microphone so it will go into the record. I want Joe to read this so you all will hear it then he is going to turn it in to me and it will go into the packet to the State. TOWN CI~RK TERRY: Article 9 is what, Bill? S~PERVISOR YELL: It is the restrictions of the covenant of the people that buy the land there.. .- .. 150. APRIL 14, 1981 MR. JOSEPH P. OATES, JR.: This: is'aBargain and Sale Deed, with Covenent against Grantor's Acts - ~Individual or Corporation, which is basically a list of restrictions as to what we can .do or can't do on your particular property, I am quite sure that everyone who has purchased property in the old Stanley Graham Case subdivision, which goes back to 1958 0n my document~ This was made out to Fred and Meta Mornhauser, the people or the estate that I bought this property from. It has all the standard restrictions and whatever as to fences and dwellings and whatever and I think the most important part is Article:9 which-says, and I shall read from this, "The said premises shall be used for residential PUrposes.~ That neither the party of the second"part nor their_heirs; distributees or assigns, shall Or will manUfaCtUre, or sell or cause or permit to be sold, on any portion of the premises hereby, conveyed, any goods or merchandise of any kind, and shall not car~y on, or permit to be carried on, on any part of said premises, any trade., business or professioh whatsoever, or any bokrding house, asylum or hospital." That's what I showed Supervisor Pell earlier and he felt that it was import'ant. In addition to this, the 'petition that I gave Supervisor Pell yesterday was signed by 29 of'the residen~S~Hat reside in or around Short Road and I will have more because a great many of the residents in this area are on vacation or I haven't had a chance to see them yet since we just busy on this after'Thursday's Suffolk Times article and so I!li leave the rest up to you for now. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Joe. COUNCIL~N NICKLES: Joe, what are those covenants-and restrictions, do they run with the land or is there a termination date? NR~ OATES: The termination is the year 2000. SUPERVISOR PELL: ThankS'you. I want a ~op5 regards to Short Road. That is still in Board will either today or next week, I will official position on t~at, where it has The state, is looking for:direction. Now the state has every right, legal right, ' They do ~not have to have the Town on it. This did appear in the paper. .tO0. ~ow, in 'The Town em to take an e rsial issue. remind ~au that what-Ehey want. )roach had quite an article on it on the week of January 15th~ If any of you want to dig-back or dig the pres~ out, it was in; there, a big story on Gillette Drive and Short Ro~d.~ Gillette Drive p~ple started t0 call the Office of Mental Retardation directly themselves and protested, instead of calling this Town Hall here. They went directly.~But as I said, during, the investigation of the house it was called off because of structural differences within the house to make it suitable. The only negative discussion I had with-the office this afternoon when I left the Town'Board room to go into my own phone, to answer the phone was, there is two things that she says, 40 days-from the time they sent us the notice, nothing happened in January when it appeared in the local press after January 15th and now it is April 13th and people are getting involved. We had done so much paper work. If they had stopped us here we wouldn't have invested this much more money. She was a little bit upset at'the time limit. So I Said to her, "We are on re~d~f"a§kin~fo do anything." So, if she did anything, it's on your own fault. On Orient-By-The-Sea, it appeared in the paper last week. People from Orient .... Oh, a second point 'I want to make. 'She says, "~en you turn down a site, we ask you to come up with an alternate site." So they are going to be asking when we recommend, if we do recommend to turn down Short Road, they are going to ask you to come back with an alternate site in.the same hamlet.----Orient-By-The-Sea P~oper~y Owner's AsSociation has done a superb job and I c~mmend them f~r this. After last week's, or two weeks ago in the l~ress when this appeared, they wrote a letter April 13th directed to myself and Town BOard, a two page letter, in detail, petitions all signed with approximately 75names. Individual letters came in the last two or three days on this. One, two, three, four, five, six of them. Also they came up with an alternate site already whic~ was tur~ed in and I believe they inspected the house yesterday. The alternzte site was inspected yesterday by the Office. They came up with several parcels of land in Orient that are already off of the tax roll. They done a superb detailed map of this 'and all this wil~ be forwarded to the Office of Mental Retardation on the proposed house on Plum Island Lane. And you gentlemen have done a superb job, and I told this to the Office today, that I'had this stuff. She said, "Good, just forward APRIl Ih, 1981 it in to us and we: will go from.~h~r~." I said, "I will after the Town Board reviews i~.~~ That~ ~R~in both-~all three instances. Gillette Drive was withdrawn because of structural barriers. Short Road is on hold. The 40 day period on Orient-By- The-Sea is in time table, or whatever, it is running on that. Basically those are the three that are in consideration at this time under discussion. There are several approaches the Town Board can take on these things. They ask us for input. We can give them our input. We will definitely, by law, we are required to send this information that we got to the Office at the end of the 40 day time period. So, any questions you can have I"tl try to answer or the Town Board will. I tried to'answer a lot of them before they were asked. Now, we'd like to ask if there are any questions on these homes? I have suggested one more thing, I will suggest that the Office of Mental Retardation come out here and hold a public information meeting. They said they would be glad to. Let the Town Board select the date-and they will come. My daughter, who was involved in the North Fork, I asked that she be transferred. She was transferred from Southold Town to Oyster Bay Township. It is hard to take but I didn't want my own daughter, which wag~:mentioned in one of the letters that was sent in to me, that she is my daughter and I might have conflict. I called up after I got the letter and said, "Will you plesse transfer her." She was transferred yesterday from Southold Town to Oyster Bay Township which is part of the burden I have to bear. .Any questions from the audience? NR. HILLER KAHN: I'm President of the Orient-By-The-Sea Property Owners Association. One of the questions I have that you might be able to answer is when a final resolution is up, when can we get a decisions, whether the decision is no ~r no-go with Orient-By-The- Sea, because we have all kinds of contingency plans in case this proceeds. 151 SUPERVISOR PELL: Your timetable runs out--I think your 40 day commen~ period runs out on the 22nd of April. We have a Town Board meeting on the 21st. I plan to put all this information I have from you and everybody else on that agenda for the 21st. I distributed the letters today to the Board and I will put it on for Board action at that time. Now, we as a Board only recommend to this authority. How long it is going to take the authority to act, I have noidea. I cannot answer that question. We can recommend, we can ask that they wiI1 keep us informed,-~- if we tell them we want to be informed of this. ~ere you have an ~alternate site ~already selected, I know that's under review. But on the Mental Retardation's Office, I cannot answer for them, but we have m]til the 27th. MR. KAHN: When you say we, you mean the Town Board? SUPERVISOR PELL: The Town Board. The comment period is 40 daFs. In the 40 days all the comments that we receive will be sent in to the Office of Mental Retardation with any recommendations that the Board wishes to make.. MR. KAHN: Well, I just want to conclude by saying that in a democratic society if the will of the people is listened ~o, you made a very fair presentation of our attitude out there. We are almost totally and unanimously against this and I just hope the Town Board and state are responsive to the will of the will of the people. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: ~hank you very much. I always try' to make a fair presentation of both sides. MR. ROBERT BRO~N: i'live on Short Road right across the street from the house in question. I'm rather new out here so I'm not familiar with your way of doing things so I don't know whether I'm in order or not) but I was wondering whether in your remarks you are really suggesting that the people in the area of Short Road go out and find some alternative sites? Di~ I get that impression correctly or did I misunderstand you? SUPERVISOR PELL: No, you understood me. Under Section 41-34, I guess it is the Mental Retardation Law---they give you the law number---you are required to forward any comments of your municipality concerning this site within 40 days of the receipt of notification. You may either, one: approve the site; two: suggest one or more alternative sites in the area of your community which could accomodate such a facility; three: object to the establishment of 152 APRIL 14, 1981 a residence at this site 1because to d6 so in your communityopinion would result in a concentration facilities that goes on. They give you very little to actually 'say you don't want one in the area, but they say they want you to come back with an alternative site. Like the people in Orient picked a site out already. They are Iooking. for another site in Cutchogue. They are looking to somebody, whether it's the Town Board, for they ask the Town Board to comment and come back with a site. Now, I have had peoplecome in to me, like the Orient people come in, we don't like this site, but they have this site in for an alternate site. That I have done. I have people come in with different sites all the time. t just forward them in to the people, they evaluate them.. They're looking for somebody to come with another site. The letter is directed to the Town Board and we're looking to you, the people of the area.~ Anybody else wish to speak on this subject? COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: As most things start on a Town Board level, we ge$ involved with the Offiee of Mental Retardation and came out and talked to us about one little facility and we agree and we cooperate, but now with the nature and scope of this entire program it seems to me that the state is expending quite a considerable sum of money. To the people of the entire State of New York toad.take this kind__of an expenditure where they're looking for housing, go into an area whether it's this county or this town or this state, but go into an area that is depressed. There are many areas of this state, in particular in Suffolk County to be more specific where there are a lot of foreclosures. There are a lot of houses boarded up and abandoned. Can't get anybody to buy a piece of property there and here the state is spending a half a million dollars going into locations that are prime residential areas, they don't seem to have any bearing at all on the purpose of the state's function and they completely violate the zoning rights. In most instances they're violating people's inherent beliefs in what they bought their specific property for. It just seems to me that maybe we ought to, on a Town Board level, or in some capacity,send a letter to the state suggesting that they might more centrally locate their efforts at areas that could use rehabilitation and could use an.influx of fresh money. I don't want to sound like we're a-little conceited here because we're not but we happen to be a very fortunate area and a big part of our time now, and a big part of our-citizen's time is spent in worrying that the state is coming in here and putting a program where, there is very little need for it-and certainly very li¢tle access. Short Road--no stores, no community. Plum Lane in Orient- By-The-Sea--areas that you couldn!t he'further from facilities. I don't~understand. It almost looks like they're block.busting. There just doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for where they're suggesting homes. If it's the state's purpose that these people be put in prime residential areas, that's a program that we should address.. And if it's prime residential areas then they~certainly are meeting qualifications. If it's only for the benefit of providing a home and a homelike atmosphere for disadvantaged people, that we can all 's~mpathizewith, but it should be in an area that maybe a lot more needy of an i~fl~x of money and I think the state could be more well advised to address their efforts to areas that could really use substantial help instead of areas where they are dis~rupting every home in the area. I don't really--I feel very upset by what I see going on by the total number of people in our community that are upset with what's going on_. I just feel there should be a better way. SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Drum? COUNCILMAN DRUM: I~d like to say in geffe'ral I- understand the program and ~ feel for the people. I realize we have different peoples in our whole community and the mental retardation is one~ I think the Boiaseau Avenue is working out well. I have opposed specific sites from the every ~eginning. I have opposed the Short Road site. I didn't think it was proper for many reasons. Similar to the Gillette Road it was a small, less than one half acre, and specifically when I read the article in the local paper I was concerned enough to call to Barbara Townsend who is in the Office of the Mental Retardation Developmental Disabilities and at that specific time, yesterday, she stated Supervisor Pell stated recently the Short Road site for the retarded was a suitable site. He was quoted as saying, "People in the area did not object." Now, I quote from the Southold Town Board meeting of ~pril the 7th, 1981, last week. "The proposed residence on Short Roa~ was 'discussed.' ' Supervisor Pell will APRIL 14, 198t~ ~ 153 time I said I have received many complaints and I want that to go into the record. ~ personally feel and ~. Pell has explained his comments to Mrs. Barbara Townsend. I'm only repeating what he had said to me on t-he phone, and I am concerned when I read this in the Town Board minutes of last week. I just would ask that--re&uest that our Suoer- visor Pell speak for himself when he selects a s~te, not speak for each individual member of this Town Board. I do not feel that in a case of Short Road or any location--Orient--I feel that it's un- fortunate that petitions and local action by our Town residents is necessary to stop an action to me that was wrong in the first place. I guess this is why in our country we have so many special interest groups. Perhaps maybe the feeling is that we are not representing them. But I want to say this in the case of the Short Road, I ha. ye opposed it and I will continue-to oppose it. As I said, not beciuse of the people that are being put there...I just do not feel it is a suitable site, as is Orient. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anyone else wish to speak? John? ~ COUNCILMAN NICEI,ES: I just want To reemph~size what the Supervisor was reading from the ONSqD letter notifying the Town. The grounds for objecton are such that you cannot find any grounds for objection because, i~f I' can remember what it says which is, that the only grounds for objection are that there may already be an oversaturat'ion of similar type facilities within the area. Now, it is very hard to come up with an oversaturation when we only have two sites, I think, approved in the Town and possibly one in Mattituck which I think an option was signed on that one yesterday. I think the Town Board's position when this was first introduced to us was that we were concerned, are we going to be serving a community out here or are we going to be a warehouse area for people from other parts of New York State. We were told we would not be serving as a warehouse area, warehousing people out here so to speak. It's not a pleasant term but obviously we know that when we put people sometimes who are institutionalized, they are warehouses. It's not pleasant'. On that basis we were told that there were eight residents in the house, probably 50% of the residents come from the Town. One of the other questions asked b~ us, how many are you projecting for this area. Initially we were under the impression maybe two, three, but down the road they are looking at ~'ight, nine,---ten. I question-having eight, nine, ten homes out h~re because I don't know as it is rep- resentative of the'makeup of our community and various ones on :the Town Board have worked hard. In the case of Orient-By-The-Sea, one gentleman did call me and through him I ~ot the alternative which I submitted to the Supervisor. I think it was inspected2 yesterday. So that's kind of the works, for you people in Orient. Whether it passes as their criteria, I cannot answer at this ~ point, but that'~s in the works. We have one in Mattituck which w~s submitted and we're trying to move that one along. Now, the fastest I can move that along, and I met with the man that owns_ the house yesterday and I met with some people from ONRD, is a sixty day option. In all that time during that option period, this man's anxious to get out of here, he's going to Louisiana.- It is not 100% degree certain that his house is sold. In talking to the people when I met them yesterday they are well aware of the problem. I don't know if they are aware of the problems with Short Road, but they are certainl~aware of the problem at Orient- By,The Sea. I don't think that even though we may not have the kind of grounds that they indicated are necessary, I don't think they are going to ignore a strong protest from the Town Board combined with your protest. I think they want to come to the community and I think they want to be accepted in the community. I don't think they want to come and be what the neighbors think is a blight. So as the Supervisor suggested 'to those in Orient, if you folks that are in the Cutchogue area can come up with an alternative, I think we can submit it throug.h the Supervisor and I think they would be very happy to come out and inspect that site in lieu of Short Road. But I want it clear that what the original concept was--of this Town Board was--we though t the people of Southold Town were willing to accept their obligations within the State of New York because we do have disadvantaged type people here. We are willing to do our share.. A lot of thus stems from Willowbmook if you remember back. a number of years ago. One court decision that came down was the disbursing-- not 100% of the reason--a large part of the reason was Willowbrook and the court decision was that these people shoul~d be disbursed, 154 APR1L_14, 1981 they should be put info,homes where they have a homelike atmosphere instead of living like animals. I don't think anybody in this room would object to having these people within their community. Maybe some of us don't feel they are in the right place now but I think-- and you tell us, tell me if I'm wrong, that I think we should do our share relative to these hostels. What I am saying, is we accept your objections and I'm sure that will be conveyed on those particular sites. SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Murphy? COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Yes, Bill, I have just a couple of remarks. I agree 1000% with John on everything he says. I would just like tO s~ress that I don"t think it's a good idea to go into distressed areas. I think the whole purpose of this is to have the houses in different areas so you are not creating an imbalance, I do think that from what I--the short time I spoke with this Barbara Townsend, that they are definitely interested in the feelings of these people in the neighborhood and if there is certain reasons~ there is criterias close to stores, this.typ~ .... of stuff in an area that might be dangerous, that these homes Shouldn't be put in, but I do think and I do think the people in the Town have shown their very good faith in finding other locations and I think we can do this and theme is a definite need. Any one of us who has ever gone to a mental hospital or seen some of these veteran's hospitals or something it really is depressing and distressing. So I think the people of the Town are doing a good job and letting the government agencies know that we don't want it in a'certain place but there is another spot that would be. suitable and I think this type of system of taking care of these people definitely deserves a chance and if'it's done right in meeting the criteria and the ne~ds of the people in ihe community. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Anyone else wi: ess the Town Beard? The answer to the question is slmp~ CommUnications. People communicate with the Town Board and the Town Board communicates with me and I will have the answers to give to the~people. Communica- ~ tion. We advertised it, we mentioned it here. 'J°hmi~reads reports~ every week. Orient people I commend you for y0ur fast action. You have done a beautiful job. BeautifUl work is something to be proud of. In fact, I'll be proud of these reports when you send it in; all the detail work involve~ The word is~ommunication. You communicate with us and we can communicate with the authorities. John just brought up a point. The alternate site in Orient was already presented--in the works before I actually received official not~ce and again they read it in the paper--communications--and they went right to work and again I commend the Orient people--Orient-By- The-Sea. Motion is in order to adjourn. On motion o£ Councilman Drum, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was RESOLVED that there being no further business to come before this Town Board meeting adjournment be called at 6:05 Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman Nickles, Councilman Drum, Supervisor Petl. This resolution was declared duly adopted. ~u'dith T~ Terry Town Clerk