HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-09/06/1983SOUTHOLD'TOWN BOARD
SEPTEMBER 6, 1983
WORK SESSION
9:00 A.M. - The Board audited outstanding vouchers.
9:45 A.M. - Mrs. Bessie Swann, Executive DireCtor of the Greenporm
Housing Alliance, Inc. met with the Board to discuss the possibility
of a tax abatement or payment in lieu of taxes for the proposed multi-
unit low cost housing project to be constructed in Greenport Villago,
(16 units of low to moderate income apartments). The Board members
were of the opinion a tax abatement would not be legal and will dis-
cuss the matter further with Town Attorney Tasker.
9:55 A.M. - Community Development Administrator J~mes C. McMahon
brought the Board up to date on a proposed project involving the
Greenport Housing Alliance and the Town relative to four existing
houses (two of which are to be bulldozed) on FIint Street~ Greenport.
Mr. McMahon also discussed the proposed estimate o£ $45,000.00 for
an addition to the Southold Town Dog Pound.
10:10 A.M. - Andre Cybulski, Chairman, and William Grigonis and
Robert Villa, members of the Southold Town Farmland Preservation ....
Committee met with the Board to discuss their final report and
suggested proposition for development right~ under Southold Town's
Farmland Preservation Program. The Town Board will await the
recommendation of the Planning Board relative to the proposition
and if it is favorable, a bond resolution and proposition resolution
will be prepared for the September 20th Town Board meeting and the
proposition sent directly to the Board of Elections for inclusion
on the ballot at the November 8th General Election.
10:45 A.M. - The Board began reviewing the agenda.
ll:10 A.M. - Planning Board Chairman Henry E. Raynor, Jr. met with
the Board to discuss subdivision performance bonds which have passed
the approved three year limit. Since it is the function of the
Planning Board to assess the need for the bonds and their increase
or decrease, the Planning Board will prepare a report for the Town
Board recommending certain bonds be declared in default.
11:40 A.M. - Frank Bear, Chairman, and Ruth Oliva and Martin Trent,
Members of the Southold Town Water Advisory Committee met with The
Town Board to discuss final committee report and recommendations.
Mr. Bear strongly recommended the Board follow their recommendation
for step one and establish a Water Management Program with a water
supply staff and incorporate the cost thereof in the 1984 Budget
(if not sooner). The Board will meet further with committee members
during the Work Session of the September 20th meeting to discuss
their report in full.
12 Noon - The Board resumed reviewing the agenda.
12:55 P.M. - Recess for lunch.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
2:25 P.M. Special Attorney Richard J. Cron met with the Board To
discuss and seek their advice on the settlement of the Victoria
Village and IGA Supermarket certiorari proceedings. A resolution
(No. 32) concerning their decision was placed on the agenda.
September 6~ 1983
WORK SESSION
3:10 P.M. - Fishers Island Ferry District Manager-Secretary Robert
P. Knau£f~ and Reynolds duPont, Jr., Chairman of ~he Board of
CommissiOners of the District me~ with the Board to discuss the
purchase of two parcels of surplus government property on F~shers
Island at a cost of $695,000.00 ~o the Town o£ Southold, for
Ferry District use (Resolution No. 24). $465,000.00 in contributions
have been pledged toward the purchase price.
4:05 P.M. Work Session adjourned.
REGULAR MEETING
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on
Tuesday, September 6~ 1983 at the Southold Town Hall~ Main Road,
Southold~ New York. Supervisor Pell opened the meeting at 7:30
P.~I. with The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present: Supervisor William R. Pell, III
Councilman John J. Nickles
Councilman Lawrence Murdock~ Jr.
Councilman Francis J. Murphy
Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.
Justice Raymond W. Edwards
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Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Rober~ W. Tasker
Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the fellowing audited bills be and hereby are ordered
paid: General Fund Whole Town bills in the amount o£ $35,570.33;
General Fund Part Town bills in the amount of $24,848.01; Highway
Depar~men~ bills in the amount of $18,133.78; Fishers Island Ferry
District bills in the amoun~ o£ $45,730.77; Federal Revenue Sharing
Fund bills in The amount o£ $3,379.46; Town o£ So~theld Wastewater
Treatment Plant bills in the amount of $10,548.78, and Home Aid
Program bills in the amount of $422.08.
Vote of the Town Board~ Ayes~ Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles~ Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Regular Meetings of the Southold
Town Board held on August 9, 1983, Augus~ 17~ 1983 and AUgus~ 25,
1983 be and hereby are approved.
Vote~o£ the Town Board; Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Supervisor Pell, it was
RESOLVED that the next Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board
wil~ be held at 3~00 P.M., T~esday, September 20, 1983 at the
Southold Town Hall, Main Road~ Southold, New York.
Vo~e of the Town Board: Ayes~ Justice Edwards~ Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy~ Councilman Murdock, Councilman
N!ckles, Supervisor
This resolution was declared duly ~DOPTED.
I. REPORTS.
SUPERVISOR PELL~ These reports are placed on ~file in the Town
Clerk's Of£ice or the Supervisor's O~£ice and anybody wishing to
review ~hem can do so at e±ther.
1. Supervisor's monthly repor~ - August 1983.
2. Town Clerk's monthly report - Augus~ 1983.
3. Fishers Island Ferry District's monthly report - August 1983.
4. Highway Department's monthly report - August 1983.
5. Town Trustee's monthly repor~ - August 1983.
6. Building Inspector's monthly report August 1983.
7. Councilmen's reports at this time. Councilman Townsend.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Nothing more than to remark that we have
i~eceived the Farmland Preservation recommendation for the--pursuant
!~o' the Town Board's request which was instituted by John Nickies,
and they're recommending an amount in the neighborhood of
This represents a fair amount of work and a lot of thinking about
different options and basically the program comes down To one that~!s
very similar to what Suffolk County is doing now. What they've done
hopefully is not etched in stone, however, I think it's a good start
and certainly enough for the question on the upcoming ballot. I'd
like to add my congratulations to the County Tercentenary Committee.
They did a terrific job and I understand that those functions that
I wasn't able to attend, most o£ them, were a great success and I'm
sure the rest of the Board feels the same way.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Murdock.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: We will have a Landfill Committee meeting at
8:00 A.M. on Friday morning at the Highway Superintendent's Office.
I'd like to make a comment about the Building Inspector's Office.
Pretty normally, as we did--the Supervisor said that the report is
on file in the To~ Clerk's Office,-for the month of August 76
building permits were issued, 41 Certificates of Occupancy, 19
copies of Certificates of Occupancy, which have to do with probably
closings on mortgages and 89 Yard Sale permits, along with miscellaneous
things. Total fees collected was $6,372.36. During the month of
August Victor Lessard, our Executive Administrator, put a great deal
of his own time in. I believe he had some overtime--we authorized
some overtime for several Inspectors--he made a concerted effort to
catch up on much of the back work that has accumulated in the Town.
That was a ~remendous amount of work. I think it's probably three
times as much in fees as has ever come through that office and I
would like it put into the record that I think Victor really deserves
a great deaI of credit for the devotion and dedication he is putting
into ~rying to correct a bad situation. Thank you, Bill.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. ~hat was the total estimated building--
one million how much?
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: For the month of August it was $1,936,070.00 in
total value of new buildings, et cetera.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Just short two million dollars worth of building
permits given out for the month of August in this Town.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Twenty-six new buildings.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Yes. Thank you. Councilman Nickles.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: In addition to the Farmland Advisory Committee's
report, we also received the Advisory Committee to the Town Board's
report on the ERM Study and similar to Mr. Townsend's comments about
the Farmland Committee the Water Committee worked long and hard many
nights over what we all know was a hot summer and the early part:of
the summer we didn't have any air conditioning here in the Town Hall,
so they were making their own water, but it's an excellent report and
Mr. Bear, the Chairman, presented it to us today and we reviewed ii
briefly and at the next Town Board meeting the Town Board int~nds.~to
go into it in depth and I for one would like to express appreciation
to Frank and his committee and I'm sure you'll convey it to them when
you see them and I'm sure the Town Board will do something more ~ormal.
The summer is over. That strange noise you heard this morning was---
everybody has left Town--it was silence. We're fortunate this year
that the steps that we took last year at this time to insure thav we
would have lifeguards throughout the summer season proved to be
successful and we were not caught short with lifeguards going back
to college, so Mr. Muir again is an invaluable--provides an invaluable
service both to the Town and the various park~districts that he serves
in providing lifeguards and protection for the people when they use
our beaches. As you may recall, last year we were in a situation
where we were going to have to close down at least one, if not two,
Town beaches and I know some of the park district beaches, and
through the intercession of the Town with the Suffolk County Board
of Health we were able to circumvent that. This year we didn't
have to go to that step. That's all, Bill.
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SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Coun~man Murphy.
coUNcILMAN MURP-HY: Thank you, Bill. I'd like to .extend my 'thanks
to ~he three committees, Frank's committee on The Water Study,
a job well done. Buddy Cybulski's on the Farmland, I think them
did a fantastic job, and also Jean Cochran on the Tercentenial.
It really is a pleasure---one of the nicest things about living
in this Town is that there are people that will give of themselves
for nothing and will do a tremendous job. Also, I'd like to report
that Sam ~cLendon from H2M, Jim Monsel!, myself and Steve Tsontakis
met. We have an agreement on a price for the captain Kidd W~ter
Distrilct that will be now ~ncluded in the final report of H2M on
shoWing what the final cost will be to these people and how much
of a.bond resolution they'll have. That report should be forth-
coming very shortly and then we'll have to get it out to these
people. Also, at one of the Superv£sor's meetings in Montauk Don
Middleton gave a very informative speech. He's the former head of
DEC and he has an engineering firm that he's a partner in and they
are trying to get some help for the towns as far as the waste
management in the landfills and he expects from the old environmental
bond ~ssue, I believe that the state had in 1972, I think it is, that
there were quite a bit of funds left over from that and he's trying
to work on it so that Suffolk County will be able to get some of
these funds to help us in various landfill projects. I hope it works.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Judge Edwards.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Thank you, Bill. Just as John said, Fishers
Island is starting to quiet down after our hectic summer. I noticed
the strange noise last night also and I think the Island has come
up out of the water about a foot with all the people leaving. My
August rsport will be turned in later, but my speeding fines, because
of the radar the troopers set up on the Island has exceed $800.00
for the month of August and the mooring program that we had in West
Harbor, that we initiated earlier in the year has finally come to a
standstill. We've got all the boats out of the inner harbor where
we wanted them and'we now have a nice clean area up in there and
the past two weekends there h~sn't been a boat moored overnight
inside this little protected area. I want to give my thanks to the
people on the Fishers Island Ferry District who flew over here
today and the rest of the Commissioners, on the job that they did
in going after this property from GSA and they money that they're
getting contributed to the project. This is on Resolution No. 31
opening up a district property acquisition account. We sort of --
protected another little piece of Fishers Island. Thank you, Bill.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. That's about $695,000.00 protection
price tag that the people are going to put up to pay for this.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: We're trying to get the names of those people
for the Democratic fund raiser this year.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: They're all Republicans.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: They should share.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: No way.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Supervisor'.s report. This week will be a busy
week for me, I will meet tomorrow with the Secretary of State for
the State of New York at 10:30 in the morning. She is coming down
to meet Supervisor Lang at, I think 9:00 o'clock, and is going to
tour the South Fork erosion, going to tour a fish packing facility
on the South Fork, have lunch on the South Fork, go to the Shinnecock
Indian Reservation, oyster hatchery, going to Sag Harbor, then coming
over to Greenport and going to tour Long Island Oyster Farms, Robert
Cooper Fish Processing Plant, and then she's gDing to meet with the
Village Mayor and people and tour things within the Village. I thinR
it's fine to have her down, Miss Gall Shaffer, to see what the east
end of Long Island looks like. I do hope to see her in the afternoon
and give her a little tour of Southold Town,. of our vineyards, our
horse farms and some of the area that we're trying to protect out here.
On Thursday I have a meeting with Mr. Berger of D.E.C. to bring him
up to date on ali the progress we are making in our landfill. That
meeting will take place Thursday morning around 10:30. So-much for
the Supervisor's report.
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September 6,1983
II. PUBLIC NOTICES.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY; 1. From the County of Suffolk (Department of
Public Works) on the Highway Law closing a portion of New S~ffotk
Avenue between Moores Lane and Jackson Street for the reconstruction
of the bridge over West Creek. This is posted on the Town CLerk,s
Bulletin Board.
2. From the Suffolk County Department of Public Works to~ clo~e
New Suffolk Avenue between Locust Avenue and Moores Lane in co~ection
with the reconstruction of the bridge over Mud Creek.
3. Department of the Army, Corps of Engineers application of'
John Bertani, ~Route l, Box 336, S0ut~old, GooSe creek, to' co~:stlrMct
a recreational mooring Structure ex~ending 53 ~eet seaward dT['.'t~e ....
line of mean high Water and consisting of a 30. ~t. by 4 f.t. wi'de
timber fixed pier, 12 ft. timber walkramp, and a 16 ft. by 6 ft.
float retained by 3 timber piles and a wall landward of the line of
spring high tide. This again is posted on the Town Clerk's Bul,le~in-
Board.
4.(a) Notice of Order from the New York State Department of
Transportation regulating parking on the north side of Route 251 in
Southold. This is also posted on the Town CIerk's Bulletin Board.
4.(b) No~ice of Order from the New York State Departm~tt of
Transportation regulating parking on the south side of Rout4'25 £n
Southold.
III. COMMUNICATIONS.
SUPERVISOR PELLS: These communications I discussed with the Town
Board today to get guidance which way to answer them.
1. From Yonng's Boaty.ard & Marina with the suggestion he would
like to see a sewer district established up around his area in -
1
conjunction with Greenport Village. The Board has directed me ~to
find out more about it and talk with Mr. Howard Zehn,er, which I~wil:l
do.
2. Letter from Joseph Carmichael up at Goldsmith's Inlet
complaining about the parking up there and asking the Town Police
Department to look into perhaps violations that are taking place.
3. Letter from Mr. William Pfeffer thanking the Board Dot the
regulations they put on shellfishing this past year and asking that
they would also look into outlawing perhaps is the word to use, of
bull raking in shallow water, such as a foot and a half to two and
a half feet, to look into that and see if something could be done
to protect the clams from massive taking.
4. Letter from the D.E.C. (James Hell,P.E.) with reference
~o our landfill, informing us that an inspection was made az 7:~0
A.M. on August 25th and they found five problems up there. Th;ese
problems will be discussed with Mr. Berger on Thursday.
5. Letter from the League of Women Voters Of Riverhead/
Southold inviting the Town Board to come to a meeting mn the
Presbyterian Church (Southold) tomorrow night to hear a report
from the Water Advisory Committee.
6. On file with the Town Clerk is the 1983 Progress Report
of the Legislative Commission on Water Resource Needs of Long
Island from the N.Y.S. Legislative Commission on Water Resource
Needs of Long Island, and certain recommendations. The report
is so thick and the Town Board has instructed me to answer some
of the statements that were made as to pertaining to this report,
which I will do.
7. Letter from Roger Bancroft, Presiden~ of the PeconicBay
Property Owners Association, Inc. seeing if the Town could assist
them wffth the repairs to the pillars at the entrance of Kerwin.
Boulevard. This is on private property and it's not the TowntS
position or pleasure to go in and.assist in these repairs to
private property. '~
IV. HEARINGS - None.
V. RESOLUTIONS.
1. Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Justi6e Edwards, it wa~
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of.Southold hereby gran~s
permission to the Mattituck Senior Citizens Club to engage one - 49
passenger bus, at a cost to the Town of $150.00, to transport their
group to New York City on Wednesday, December 14, 1983, and to use
the parking field at the Peconic Recreation Center on that date.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
September 6, 1983
2; Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the application of Walter Sawicki and Frank Sawicki,
dated September 23, 1983, for renewal of a single family house
house trailer permit for trailer located at north side of Old
North Road, Southold, New York, be and hereby is granted for a
six month period.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
-3. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby amends
their Resolution No. 29, dated July 19, 1983, authorizing the Town
Clerk to advertise for bids for one (1) bulldozerand one (1) payloader
for use at the Landfill Site to read as follows:
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of Southold be and
she hereby is authorized to ~dvertise for bids for the purchase
of one (1) new bulldozer, one (1) used 4-1/4 yd. front-end
payloader., one (1) used 1-1/2 yd. front-end payloader (with
trade-in of one (1) D-6 bulldozer), two (2) new trash
compaction trailers, and one (1) used truck, for use at
the Landfill Site.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
4. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the application of Florence Steiner, dated September
12, 1983, for renewal of a single family house trailer permit for
a trailer located at right-of-way off east side o~ Main Road,
Mattituck, New York, be and hereby is granted for a.six (6) month
period.
Vote of the Town Beard: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
.... Nickles, Supervisor Pell. --
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
-- 5. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board declare itself le~d agency
in regard to the State Environmental Quality Review Act in the
matter of the application of Enconsultants, Inc., on behalf of
Katherine Fart, for a Wetland Permit on certain property located
on Sterling Creek, on the west side of Manhanset Avenue, Greenport,
New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
6. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Supervisor Pell, it was
RESOLVED that pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation
Law State Environmental Quality Review and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section
617.10 and Chapter 44 of the. Code of the Town of Southold, notice is
hereby given that the Southold Town Board, as lead agency for the
action described below, has determined that the project, which is
unlisted, will not have a significant effect on the environment.
Description of Action: Application of The Land Use Company~ on
behalf of Robert Patchell, for a Wetland Permit to construct timber
bulkhead, backfill with clean sand, construct dock, ramp and float
on private road off Westphalia Road, on Mattituck Creek, Mattituck,
New York.
The project has been determined not to have a significant
effect on the environment for the following reasons:
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated
that no significant adverse effect to the environment are likely to
occur should the project be implemented as planned.
Because there has been a response from the Board of Southold
Town Trustees and Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council
indicating that this project would not have a significant effect
on the environment.
Because there has been no response in the allotted time from
the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation and the
Southold Town Building Department, it is assumed that there are no
objections nor comments from those agencies.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
September 6, 1983
7~M~ved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation
Law State Environmental Quality Review and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section
617.10-and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notiGe is
hereby given that the Southold Town Board, as lead agency for the
action described below, has determined that the project, which'is
unlisted, will not have a significant effect on the enviroament~
Description of Action~ Application of Otto Schoenstein for a Wet~and
Permit to construct bulkhead, ramp and float at Mooring Lot No~ 31 on
the east side of Gul~ Pond, Greenport~ New York. ~
The project has been determined not to have a significant effect
on the environment for the following reasons~
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated
that no significant adverse effect to the environment are likely te
occur should the project be implemented as planned.
Because there has been a response from the Board of SouthoId _
Town Trustees and Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council
indicating that this project would not have a significant .effect
on the environment.
Because there has been no response in the allotted time from
the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation and
the Southold Town Building Department, it is assumed that ~here are
no objections nor comments from those agencies.
Vote of the Town Board~ Ayes~ Justice Edwards, Councilm~n
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
8. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation
Law State Environmental Quality Review and 6NYCRR Part 617, Sectio~
617.10 and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is
hereby given that the Southold Town Board, as lead agency for the
action described below, has determined that the project~ which is
unlisted, will not have a significant effect on the environment.
Description of Action~ Application of Fred Schoenstein, as agency
for John Aexel, for a Wetland Permit to construct bulkhead, ramp .
and float at Mooring Lot No. 30 on the east side of Gull Pond,
Greenport, New York.
The project has been determined not to have a significant
effect on the environment for the following reasons:
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicat~ed
that no significant adverse effect to the environment are likely to
occur should the project be implemented as planned.
Because there has been a response from the Board of Southold
Town Trustees and Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council
indicating that this project would not have a significant effec~
on the environment.
Because there has been no response in the allotted time from
the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation and ~he
Southold Town Building Department, it is assumed that there are no
objections nor comments from those agencies.
Vote of the Town Board~ Ayes~ Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock~ Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pelt.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
9. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation
Law State Environmental Quality Review and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section
617.10 and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is
hereby given that the Southold Town Board, as lead agency for~the
action described below, has determined that the project, which is
unlisted~ will not have a significant effect on the environment.
Description of Action~ Application of Fred Schoenstein for a
Wetland Permit to construct bulkhead, ramp and float a~ Mooring
Lot No. 32 on the east side of Gull Pond, Greenpor~, New York.
The project has been determined not to have a significant
effect on the environment for the following reasons~
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated
that no significant adverse effect to the environmen~ are likely to
occur should the project be implemented as planned.
Because there has been a response from the Board of Southold
Town Trustees and Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council
indicating that this project would not have a significant effect
on the environment.
Because there has been no response in the allotted time fr~om
the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation an~ the
September 6, 1983
Sou~hold Town Building Department, it is assumed that there are no
objections nor comments from those-..agen~ies.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
10. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets
Tuesday, September 20, 1983, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold,
New York as the date and place for hearings upon the following applica-
tions for Wetland Permits.
3:30 P.M. - in the matter of the application of The Land Use
' Company, on behalf of Robert Patchell, for permission to construct
timber bulkhead, backfill with clean sand, construct dock, ramp and
._ float at private road off Westphalia Road, on Mattituck Creek,
Mattituck, New York.
3:32 P.M. - in the matter of the application of Otto Schoenstein
for permission to construct bulkhead, ramp and float at Mooring Lot
No. 31 on the east side of Gull Pond, Greenport, New York.
3:35 P.M. - in the matter of the application of Fred Schoenstein,
on behalf of John Aexel, for permission to construct bulkhead, ramp
and float at Mooring Lot No. 30 on the east side of Gull Pond,
Greenport, New York.
3:37 P.M. - in the matter of the application of Fred Schoenstein
for permission to construct bulkhead, ramp and float at Mooring Lot
No. 32 on the east side of Gull Pond, Greenport, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
11. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Townsend,
WHEREAS, the North Fork Animal Welfare League, Inc. provides dog
control services pursuant to the terms of an agreement with the
Town of Southold, dated July 20, 1982, which agreement requires
that the League deposit with the Supervisor the sum of $10,000.00
as assurance to the Town that the League will faithfully and fully
- ~ perform all of the terms and conditions of said agreement, and
WHEREAS, the League has demonstrated by its past performance that
it is capable of fullfilling its duties and responsibilities under
said contract, and that therefore it should not be required to keep
-the full sum of $10,000.00 deposited with the Town, and this Board
is in agreement that said sum should be reduced to $5,000.00,
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED AS FOLLOWS: That the Supervisor be
and he hereby is authorized to execute an amendment to the aforesaid
agreement to reduce from $10,000.00 to 25,000.00 the amount deposited
with the Town for the aforementioned purposes, said amendment to be
in the form prepared by the Town Attorney.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
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12. Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that Chief H. Daniel Winters be and he hereby is authorized
and directed to execute an agreement, on behalf of the Town of
Southold, with Suffolk County National Bank, Cutchogue, New York,
for the connection of a lease line alarm system to Police Headquarters,
Main Road, Peconic, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
~..~3. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby employ~
Alan E. Czelatka, effective this date, September 6, 1983, as a
Relief Public Safety Dispatcher for the Southold Town Police
Department, at a salary of $5.00 per hour.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Counci'lman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdo6k, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
14. Moved by Councilman Nickles, seconded by Supervisor Pell,
WHEREAS, application has been made to the Town Board of the Town
of Southold to dedicate a certain road in Mattituck, New York, to
be known as EASTWARD COURT as shown on subdivision map entitled,
"Map of Eastward Manor", filed in the Suffolk County Clerk's
Office on June 2~, 197~, as Map No. 5606, to~ether with the release
238 September 6~ 1983
executed by the owners thereof, and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Superintendent of Highways has inspected
the said highway and has advised the Town Board that said proposed
highway, drainage easement and reserved area complies in all respects
with the specifications for the dedication of highways in the Town
of Southold. now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that in accordance with Section 171 of the Highway Law.
of the State of New York~ consent be and the same is given to the
Superintendent of Highways to make an order laying out the afore-
said highway~ drainage easemen~ and reserved area~ to consist of ~
lands described in said application as shown on certain maps
attached ~o said application, and be it further
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is authorized ~nd
directed to forthwith cause the dedication, release and deed to be
recorded in the office of the Clerk of the County of Suffolk, New
York.
Vote of the Town Board~ Ayes~ Justice Edwards~ Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman ~
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
15. Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board declare itself lead agency
in regard ~o the Sta~e Environmental Quality Review Act in the
matter of the application of The Land Use Company, on behalf of
Armando Cappa, for a Wetland Permit on certain property located
between Main (State) Road and Old Main Road, near Mill Creek,
Arshamomaque, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board~ Ayes~ Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
16. Moved by Councilman Nickles, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets
the following~base salary for Police Chief H. Daniel Winters for
fiscal years 1983 and 1984~ January 1, 1983 - $37,000.00; July
1~ 1983 - $2,421.00 increment = $39,421.00; January 1~ 1984 -
$1,144.00 increment = $40~565.00; July 1~ 1984 $1,353.00
increment = $41,918.00.
Vote of the Town Board~ Ayes~ Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy~ Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
17. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman ~urphy, it was
(a) RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes the transfer of $30.00 from General Fund WhOle Town
Account A8090.1 - Environmental Conservation, Personal Services
into A8090.2 - Environmental Conservation, Equipment.
Vote of the Town Board~ Ayes~ Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy~ Councilman Murdock~ Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
17. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
(b) RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes the transfer of $200.00 from General Fund Whole Town
Account A8090.1 - Environmental Conservation, Personal Services
into A8090.2 - Environmental Conservation, Equipment.
Vote of the Town Board~ Ayes~ Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy~ Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Question. Wha~ equipment is this?
SUPERVISOR PELL~ Polaroid camera.
18. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby amends
the Southold Town 1983 Highway Budget to include the New York St'ate
~epartment of Transportation Regulatory and Warning Sign Project~, as
Item I
DR 510 Estimated Revenues
DR2801 - Interfund Revenues NYS R&WS
DR3502 - State Aid NYS R&WS
DR4750 - Federal Aid NYS R&WS
DR 960 Appropriations
$ 1,000.00
4,750.00
19,250.00
September 6, 1983
DR5111.4 - Contractual Expenses NYS R&WS $25,000.00
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
19. Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED zhat the Town Board of the Town of Southold sets 3:25 P.M.
and 5:30 P.M., Tuesday, September 20, 1983, Southold Town Hall, Main
Road, Southold, New York as time and place for public hearings on the
proposed use of Federal Revenue Sharing Funds for the fiscal year
beginning on January 1, 1984, az which hearing citizens of the
community will be given the opportunity to provide written and oral
comments on the proposed use of Federal Revenue Sharing Funds which
is as follows: REVENUE
Unexpended Funds on Hand .................................... $ 30,000.00
Anticipated Revenue - 1984 .................................. $146,000.00
Total .......... $176,000.00
EXPENDITURES
Landfill Equipment - payment of bond anticipation note ...... $ 16,300.00
Matt£tuck Parking Field - payment of bond
anticipation note ...................................... $ 22,700.00
Landfill property payment of bond anticipation note ....... $ 24,500.00
Orient property - Narrow River Road - payment of bond
anticipation note ...................................... $ 23,000.00
Town Hall Improvements & Parking Field ...................... $ 7,000.00
Town Waste Management Program ............................... '$ 82,500.00
Total ......... $176,000.00
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
20. Moved by Councilman Nickles, seconded by Justice Edwards,
WHEREAS, hurricanes can result in loss of life and human suffering,
extensive property damage and economic loss; and
WHEREAS, last year hurricanes inflicted much suffering and loss; and
WHEREAS, preparing for emergencies and disasters is a function o£
government, dependent upon leadership of the executive officers and
efforts of many dedicated volunteers and professionals; and
WHEREAS, a number of federal, state, local and private agencies are
attempting to inform and educate the public on steps that should be
taken to prepare for hurricanes; and
WHEREAS, by taking reasonable precautions the people of Southeld
Town can reduce ~he loss of life and property, plus decrease the
effects of hurricanes on our economy; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby proclaims
September 11, 1983 through September 17, 1983 as HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS
WEEK in the Town of Southold, and authorizes all agencies Of our
government to provide citizens with appropriate preparedness informa-
tion for the 1983 hurricane season, and urges all citizens to cooperate
wholeheartedly with the Disaster Preparedness officials in this
important work.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
21. Moved by Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of zhe Town of Southold hereby author-
izes and directs Supervisor William R. Pell, III to enzer into an
agreement with IBM for the rental of two (2) IBM Electronic 85
Typewriters, including battery pack, at a quarterly rental of
$222.52, per machine, which includes maintenance, for the Board
of Appeals and the Town Clerk, AND payout of the lease/purchase
agreement of the Board of Appeals IBM Electronic 75 Typewriter at
a cost of $390.00.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
22. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Sou~hold hereby
authorizes and directs Supervisor William R. Pell, III to execute
an Annual Full Service and Maintenance Agreement with Telecom Plus
of Long Island, Inc. for the Town Hall telephone system, effective
October 30, 1983 through October 29, 1984, at a total cost of
September 6, 1983
$1,430.76.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
23. Moved by Councilman Nickles, seconded by Justice Edwards, it wa5
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby a~t~or-
izes Superintendent of Highways Raymond C. Dean to purchase one!(1)
Sand Spreader from the Suffolk County Contract - Letting No. ?1~83.4.28,
at a cost of $8,500.00.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
24. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Nickles,
WHEREAS, the Board of Commissioners of the Fishers Island Ferry
District has received, from the General SerVices Administration,
aw ~ffer To sell to the Town of Southold two parCeis Of surplu~
government property, consisting of land and buildings located on
· ishers Island, New York, for a total price of $695,000.00, and
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold now desires to purchase said properties
from the General Services Administration, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby aUtkor-
izes the purchase of the aforementioned two parcels of surplus
government property on Fishers Island, New York, to be used for
Ferry District purposes, and be it further
RESOLVED that the Supervisor be and he hereby is authorized and
directed to execute an offer to purchase and to'submit the same
to the General Services Administration, together with a ceriified
check payable to the General Services Administration in the amount --
of $69,500.00.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
~- Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
25. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it~Was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby author-
izes the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for supplying the Southold.
Town Highway Department with 10,000 lin. feet of Snow Fence with
pi6kets 1½ x 3/8 inches, spaced 2 inches apart, 4 feet high, stained
red, with five (5) double strands of 12½ gauge galvanized wire zn
100 lin. foot rolls, AND 500 - 6 foot studded steel T Posts with
flanges or anchor plates on posts, posts shall not be less than
8.65 lbs. each.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
26. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold accept, with
regret, the resignation of Thomas E. Czelatka, Bay Constable,
effective September 15, 1983.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
27. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Murdock, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the ~own of Southol~ hereby authorizes
the following fee increases, effective September 12, 1982:
Code Book ..........
Annual Code Update
Development Map.
Flood Plain Ordinance ......
Highway Specifications
FROM TO
$ 70.00 -$1~0.00
25.0C ............... 30.00
-5.00. -7.00
---2.00 ................ 3.00
---1.00 ........ 3.00
Housing Ordinance ......... 2.50
Landmark Preservation Ordinance .... 1.00
Road Map 3.00
Shellfish Ordinance ................ 1.00
Subdivision of Land 2.50
Vehicle and Traffic Ordinance 2.00
Wetlands Ordinance 1.00 .......
3.00
2. O0
· -5. OO
2. O0
-4.00
3.00
2.00
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Zoning Ordinance .................... 5.00. 7.00
Sale of Sand. 1.00 per yd. 2.50 per
House Trailer Permits and Renewals-25.00 ............. 35.00
AND the following increase effective January 1, 1984:
Daily Beach Permit .................. 3.50 .............. 4.00
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards., Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Fell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: The reason we're doing this is because these
things have long been at the existing rates and in way have reimbursed
the Town for the expenses that are involved in publishing with papers
and producing the materials in general. So what we're trying to do
is at least break even on these things so that the taxpayer doesn't
subsidize the person who is purchasing these articles.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: We are increasing the cost of sand from $1.00
per yard to $2.50 per yard. We're using up quite a bit of equipment
to mine and sell sand and the 22.50 a yard we hope will go a long
way towards paying for some of the equipment that we use up there.
28. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
Supervisor William R. Pell, III and Community Development Administrator
James C. McMahon to attend the Waterfront Revitalization Conference at
the Nelson A. Rockefeller Empire State Plaza, Albany, New York, on
September 21, 22, 1983, and the expenses for travel, meals and lodging
shall be a legal charge against the Town of Southold.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR PELL: This is put on by the Secretary of State who will
be here tomorrow check on the waterfront.
9. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
[ allocates $250.00 to the Fishers Island Softball League from
A7320.4 - Joint Youth Account - for the purchase of equipment.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Fell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
30. Moved by Councilman Murdock, seconded by Justice Edwards,
WHEREAS, the Fishers Island Ferry District is negotiating with
the General Services Administration for the purchase of two
parcels of surplus government property located on Fishers Island,
New York, and
WHEREAS, the execution of an offer to purchase by the District
must be accompanied by a check in the amount of 10% of the purchase
price, and
WHEREAS, the present 1983 budget does not contain a disbursement
line item with regard to property acquisition, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the 1983 Fishers Island Ferry District Budget be
amended to include the disbursement line item entitled, "Property
Acquisition," and be it further
RESOLVED that the following transfer be made within the 1983 budget:
FrOm: New Boat - 275,000.00, To: Property Acquisition -
$75,000'.00.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Fell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
31. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that Supervisor William R. Pell, III be and he hereby
is authorized and directed to open a Fishers ~sland Ferry District
Property Acquisition Account.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
September 6~ 1983
32. Moved by Councilman Nickles, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes Special Attorney Richard J. Cron to settle the
"Victoria Village" Tax Certiorari Proceeding (owned by Donald
King and located on the north side of Front Streez, 37.4 feet
west of First Street, Village of Greenport), AND the "IGA Super-
market" Tax Certiorari Proceeding (owned by Eylene M. King and
located on the north side of Front Street, 37 feet east of First
Street, Village of Greenport), both in accordance with Mr. Cron's
discussion with the Southold Town Board on this date.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Anything I left out, gentlemen? or omitted?
Anything you might want to add at this time? Councilman Townsend.
(Nothing.) Councilman Murdock? (Nothing.) Councilman Nickles?
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Yes, I'd like to make one comment. In the
resolutions tonight you heard a resolution that called for the
raising of certain fees in the Town and although I -agree with
those, there were others discussed today that will be coming up
at the next Town Board meeting that I do not agree with. And that
is an imposition of a user fee for Town taxpayers to use their.'Town
beaches and parks. It has been traditional here that--there isn't
a hell of a lot you can do for nothing anywheres anymore--but you
could use your Town beaches as a taxpayer without paying a fee;
You used to get a free sticker so you could enter the parks or
beach area. Now it would appear thaz the Town Board has in mind
adding on a $5.00 fee which will entitle you zo go to the dumps
or the sanitation area--landfill area~-and your Town beach and I
think it's really out of wack. I think that you get damn few
services from the Town of Southold and for five bucks to hide the
fees you really going to charge for the landfill and impose it
upon the taxpayers to use their beaches is wrong, and I will vote
against it when it comes up next Town Board meeting.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Anything else? (Nothing.) Councilman
Murphy. (Nothing.) Judge Edwards? (Nothing.) Anybody wish to
address the Board at this time? Mr. Frank Bear.
MR. FRANK BEAR, Southold, Chairman, Southold Town Water Advisory
Committee: First I want to thank Councilman Nickles and Councilman
Murphy for their kind words about the Water Advisory Committee. I'm
here for the purpose of making a statement in regard to the report
of the Water Advisory Committee. I'm pleased to present to you
tonight, for the record, and here's a copy of the reporz, the
recommendations of the Southold Town Water Advisory Committee
relative to water supply for the people of Southold Town. The
Committee is hopeful that you will move as expeditiously as possible
to establ%sh a Town Water Management Program within the framework
of Town government. That entity can then do the planning and take
steps agreed upon to implement a Water Management Program which
will assure sufficient potable drinking water for all of the Town
within the near and distant future. As stated in my covering
letter to the Town Board, the Committee's recommendations are based
on consideration of the findings, recommendations, and suggested
alternatives contained in the final reporz of ERM Northeast in -
this North Fork Water Supply Plan. That final report was made
available to the Committee upon its release by the County Executive
Peter Cohalan on July 7th, a month after this Committee was appointed
by the Town Board. The Committee met twice during that month to
review the Draft ERM Report and to' learn more about water supply
methods during a tour of the Greenport Water Supply System. Since
then we have met six times discussing the ramifications of the ERM
recommendations and suggestions in search of viable and economically
feasible methods for supplying sufficient potable water. Our report
went through four revisions in the process. I want to express
appreciation especially ~o Martin Trent, the secretary of our
Committee, who's a specialist in water supply with the Suffolk
County Department of Health Services. He noted the Committee's
consensus on issues involved at each meeting and then drafted and
redrafted the report accordingly. But all the Committee members
were most helpful and dedicated to their task. We were very happy
that James Monsell, the Superintendent of Greenport Utilities, was
there to provide us with the background, information and advice
stemming from his expertise and years of experience. Ruth Oliva,
September 6, 1953
President of the North Fork Environmental Council, made many
thoughtful suggestions based ih ~!~i~r~:~n her deep involvemen~
in both the North Fork Water Supply Plan and the Southold Groundwater
Management project conducted by Cornell University. And Sarah Mills,
who had had experience with the Environmental Protection Agency and
other environmental matters was also a dedicated and helpful member
of the Committee. In addition, we received the benefit of a
professional planner's experience from Valerie Scopaz Shaw, a
former member of the Town Conservation Advisory Council, who attended
several of our meetings. Our task would have been more difficult
without the input of two officials of the County Department of Health
Services, they were Joseph Baier, Chief of the Bureau of Water
Resources and Robert Villa, Chief of the Environmental Engineering
Unit. I don't know what we would have done without their expertise~
experience and wholehearted cooperation. We're most grateful too,
for t.he encouragement and assistance given to us by Councilman
John Nickles and Deputy Supervisor Frank Murphy. We want to thank
the entire Town Board for the confidence placed in us for this
formidable assignment. The Committee is well aware that our
recommendations are just the beginning and implementation will
require much more thought, as well as dedication~ yes~ and some
money. We are ready and willing to work with you and with those
to whom responsibility will be given to help make a safe and
sufficient water supply a reality for present and future generations.
Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL~ Thank you, Mr. Bear. Mr. Harvey.
MR. STUART HARVEY, Southold~ Do you have any idea how much
property we're getting over there on Fishers Island?
JUSTICE EDWARDS~ Well~ probably all together about five to five
and a half acres.
MR. HARVEY~ Sounds good. We're getting kind of a mess there on
this corner where ~he monument is a~ ~he American Legion. They
got all those arrows up ~here and it really is from a nice looking
area ~here with a good monument, the State is making a mess out of
that. I was wondering if we couldn't floodlight that monument from
the bottom. It would be more visible, which would be very attractive
I think and the same time maybe we could put the arrows further
away, because people would see it. The way it is now it's starting
to look like any other town around where they put signs up all over
and it looks like a mess from what used ~o be a very nice area.
don't think it would be that much involved floodlighting the monument.
SUPERVISOR PELL~ That"s State highway. Let me look into it. I have
no answer.
MR. HARVEY~ Well~ if you take a look at it. It's starting to look
awful crummy. They've got so blame many arrows there it's--and that
is a beautiful spot and I think possibly we could even floodlight
that might and it would be quite attractive and it's not that big a
project. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL~ Anybody else wish to address the Board? Mr. Frank
Carlin.
MR. FRANK CARLIN~ Laurel~ New York: I have two things to discuss.
One is good and one is bad. I'll start with the good one. I'd like
to offer my appreciation and thanks to'Southoid Town Board for
installing the street lights west of the railroad overpass. It was
a job well done.
SUPERVISOR PELL~ ~hey hooked up y~t, Frank?
MR. CARLIN~ Oh~ they've been hooked up over a month ago. They was
up the same day they was installed~ the eight of them anyway. And
they was spaced adequately, every other pole. ~Proper lighting was
used, proper wattage~ up-to-date light was used from G.E. Again
I'd like ~o thank you as a job well done. As far as Romanowski's
house they went on the west side of the bridge. Now's the bad side.
East of the bridge you fell apar~ on me. Why you fell apar~ I don't
know. You pu~ up three s~ree~ lights, you spaced ~hem every fourth
pole. You cannot space street lights ~o be effective every fourth
pole. Besides, what made it worse, you used the smallest wattage you
could use, 75 watt candles. You go~ to have s~reet lights every o~her
pole so that the reflection light overlaps one another. I'm very
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disappointed with this and a lot of people are complimenting us about
the lights west of the bridge, how it makes a difference at night,
and I'm sure many of you people on the Board have traveled there at
night and you notice there's a difference there, you can see the
curve, know what.~s going on, and it makes it a lot easier. But what
made you fall apart on the east side o£ the bridge I don'~ know; but
if it was Ray or Frank, I don't know. I told Ray this, I didn'T like
it. The lighting is improper. I go, I work with the State to ~ush
the permit through, so that LILCO can run the wires across the road,
and we can get the job done. I was on LILCO to hook the lights up
there with a little bit of delay on that because they all wasn'~ put
up the same time so they made me wait a while for two or three iights.
Their lights were put up right away. I don't understand why, i~ was
a matter of five to six lights could have been installed every other
pole and the job would have been done right.Using halfway decent
wattage we would have had a nice job. Here you do a good job on
the west side and you botch up the job on the east side. I don't
understand why we're against street lights on that Main Road. HUD
allows you money for it, it's federal funds. There's money there
to be used and especially in an area where it's important. My God,
between Bray Avenue, as you know, and the curve we're going on to
ninety accidents there in five and a half.years. We have ten accidents
there already this year. Three people killed. That area needed
mostly the lights, it's important that you put the lights up. That's
where we needed them. What was the difference of six lights to three
and you do the job right. I don't understand it. I ride in a
helicopter and I go to--I start with Bay Avenue, I go all the way
down to the Riverhead line, Peconic Bay Boulevard there's street
lights every other pole. I go to Orient Point, there's street lights
every other pole. I go to Cutchogue, Southold, all lit up. Here's
an area here where we mostly need it and you skimp on three more
street lights. I don't understand. Here we're going to accomplish
raising the bridge. In late November they're going to raise that
bridge. A job that would took only five months to do, almost
impossible, is going to be done in five months. I spoke to the
State Planning Board this afternoon and they're working on adding
in the curve to work that curve in there too and to refinish the
road. Ail this is going to be done. This is big work and yet we
spoil it by three more street lights. I don't understand. Why?
You did a beautiful job and I recommend you and I mention you in
my letter to the people, and it will come out in the media, should
be this week or next week, I don't know. I compliment you on the job
you do with the street lights, but the east end you feel apart.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Get back to me in a couple Of days and'I might
have an answer for you. I have to check with Mr. Dean. He's
not here tonight. I will talk to him.
MR. CARLIN: I mentioned to him about it because I had a lot of
contact with Ray on this thing. We've been working together on
it. He worked with me on and when they told me he put up three,
and I asked, "Why three, Ray? You originally was going to starz
with five at least. Ail of a sudden three, and then you cut them
to 75 watts." Those new ones are 150 watts we got on the west. r
Look how they shine. They're beautiful. They shine up the whole
area there. People can see what's going on. People like that. ·
You know yourself when you ride there what a difference it makes
in that curve. And them caution lights are really working and
the trucks are turning around and we've had no trucks az the bridge
yet. Ail this work has been done. The hard work, and the easiest
things we're not getting. I -don't know what happened.
SUPERVISOR PELL: As I said before, give me a couple Of days ~nd
give me a call and I might have an answer for you. Tonight Mr.
Dean is not here and I do not have the answer.
MR. CARLIN: I'll appreciate it. Frank, maybe you can answer this,
Frank. You're in charge of the street lights.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Possibl'y t'~e street light' man wanted to try
75 wazts to see how effective ~t would :be to-~-first of all we
don't have money to go on all the szreets. .I agree with you
about the sense this is a very bad spot and it should be protected.
I think we'll try this, see what it looks like. I'm just talking-
for the Highway Department--that we'll try this--if it is not, these
can be changed from the 75 to 150 watt. They're the same fixture,
just changing the inside, the insert, on it. No big deal. I think
that can be done and if that still isn't sufficient with the Polioe
Department--let them try it--let them see what they think and their
comments are. and if we have to we'll ~ut un three more.
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MR. CARLIN: Compliments are,n~t ~h~$[L~ want here. The compliments
is why wasn't the job done right?
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I didn't say compliments--comments.
MR. CARLIN: Comments, rather, excuse me. Why wasn't the job done
right? I mean, they have enough experience o£ putting up these
street lights to know how they're going to shine between four poles
and three poles, every other pole. They know before they even put
them up how they going to shine and then when they put 75 watts up
they know they're not going to shine very much. They're not going
to overlap one another.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Frank, people all throughout the Town would like
street lights.
MR. CARLIN: I know that, but this is an area where we need them.
It's the important area here. We're only asking for probably five
to six lights to do the job right, and here we go with three.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Frank, this is the exact priority that we're
trying to work on and give Ray a little time and I think we'lI have
it sufficiently lit there and I agree with you that Peconic Bay
Boulevard is overlit, there's a part in Cutchogue that's overlit,
there's a part down in East Marion that's overlit.
MR. CARLIN: By the airport.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I agree with you and these things will Take
time to work out and I do think this is one of the h~ghest priorities
in the Town as far as the potential traffic area, or a fatality area.
And I'm sure this will be taken care of.
MR. CARLIN: I hope it will be taken care of so we can say the job
is done right and we can put it to bed and we can go home on it.
One more thing I would like to fully support Councilman Nickles on
his objection on $5.00 on the beach. I ~ull support him on that.
Smart thinking, because the taxpayers are paying enough money now.
Got to pay $15.00 for a yard sale, we got to do this we got to do
that. Pretty soon we're not going to be able to move without paying
for some kind of a permit here. I fully support you on that, sir.
Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else wish to address the Board? Mrs.
Ruth Oliva.
MRS. RUTH OLIVA, President, North Fork Environmental Council: I
would like to thank Councilman Nickles and the Town Board for the
opportunity for a group of us to study, in depth, The water problem
and the preservation of our farmland. I hope this is just the
initial step in some innovative thinking and planning on the part
of all of us. Perhaps we can look at other areas in the country;
investigate how they have solved their problems; see if some of
these programs can be adapted to Southold Town. Perhaps we can
also put some pressure on our state and federal officials for
funding to preserve a very unique area of the country, that is
the North Fork. I think now is the time to act. We cannot wait
any longer. As we've seen by that--I hope you've all read--the
article in the New York Times about the Hamptons--we do not want
to be the Hamptons, otherwise we would have chosen that life style.
We do not. So now we must find a way to preserve our farmland so
that it can be one of Southold's major industries. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Anybody else wish to address the
Board? Councilman Murdock.
COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: I wasn't going to discuss the fees and the
stickers, but as long as Mr. Carlin is in the audience I think I
should give my viewpoint on the fees and the stickers. The sticker
that is issued at the Town Clerk's O~fice currently allows usage
o£ The landfill and the beaches. The Town is in a position because
o£ the immense amount of moneys we're being forced to spend to operate
a landfill, that we have to institute a fee for a sticker. We all
agree in the theory that the use of the beach is free, and in my
mind the use of the beach is free. We have debated back and forth
several times during committee meetings to try and alleviate some
of the burden in the Town Clerk, to have a free sticker for the
beach and a $5.00 sticker for the landfill--it now would double her
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work and very honestly I believe that the Town Clerk's Office and
window over there is the most overworked piece of office that we
have in the entire Town, and I feel for the good of the Town and
the ability of those people to function, if we can save one opera-
tion, merely by semantics--everybody knows the beaches are free--
we're charging the fee for the sticker because of the use of the
landfill, and we're trying desperatly to cut out one operation,
rather than make two, and that is the purpose of our next meeting--
we're going to pass the $5.00 fee for the use of that sticker, as
opposed to having two stickers.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Councilman Townsend.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I'd like to point out that this is an attempt
to save the taxpayer money, as opposed to increase the taxpayers
money. Well, I'm sure a lot of the taxpayers will be buying the
permit and many people who are not taxpayers will also be buying a
permit which will be good for the beach and landfill, and it is a
way of putting the financial burden on the people who use the beach
and use the landfill. There are costs involved in running the beaches,
and they are substantial. Right now everybody that lives in the Town,
whether they use the beach or they use the landfill or not, paYS
equally for those privileges. I feel it more equitably shifts the
burden to those people that use the beach, so contrary to what John
has stated, I feel it's a better deal for the taxpayers to have a
user fee put in than not have one put in. Our costs are going up
and I doubt seriously if this will mean a reduction for the taxpayers,
but it will certainly mean that their taxes would not go up as much
as they would had we no user fees.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Mr. Carlin.
MR. CARLIN: Isn't this a burden on the taxpayers where every time
you're coming up the taxpayers got to pay a permit. After all, they
are taxpayers. Why should they have to pay money for even a permit
to go down in the dump. You're paying enough taxes now. You charge
$15.00---this is another thing--you charge $15.00 for a yard sale-=
for people to have yard sales on their own property for which they
are paying taxes on. Now to me that's unconstitutional. How you
passed that bill, I don't know. You are charging $15.00 for somebody
to 'hold a yard sale on their own property, which they pay taxes~on,
and that is simple constitutional rights against it. How you passed
that bill--in Riverhead you don't pay--and I've checked into other
towns. Riverhead you do not pay any fee. You can have as many as
you want. I'm not saying don't have a restriction, have a restrict~ion
on a lot of yard sales, sure, one or whatever you want, but-=and I
checked with other towns. The only town that I know that charges
the taxpayer $15.00 to hold a yard sale on their own property which
they pay taxes on---and I understand now, I'm not sure, but you even
have a cop ride around on Saturday to see that this is reinforced.
He could be out on Main Road and 25 in the summer watching the
traffic.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Any Councilman wish to add anything at this time?
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: I'd like to make just one comment on fees--user
fees. One of the best examples is the area that Judge Edwards
represents. Fishers Island pays for the complete--their share of
the Cutchogue landfill and they pay for their share of the Southold
Town beaches--six beaches in Southold Town, and are not able to'use
it because they are--so it really isn't fair to have a group of
people who really can't use something pay the full burden. Now
I'm not saying they should be excluded 100~ but they should pay
part of the cost. The people--there is no beach for--Southold
Town beach-for the people in the west end of the Town, which is
the most populated, there is not one until you get to Kenney's
Beach, I believe, and that it really isn't fair. Plus the beaches
would not be able to care for these people. The people down on the
west end and various parts of Southold and Pec6nic all pay their
share as a user fee by paying special district taxes, such as the
Cutchogue Park District, Mattituck Park District, New Suffolk, that
type. That's one of the reasons why, to make it more equitable,
more fair to everybody, and that's what we're trying to accomplish
without putting the full burden of this increase on everybody and
everybody who doesn't use it.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Harvey.
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MR. HARVEY: As far as the beaches~.~e-~:;concerned, I think you put
around $81,000.00 a year in now just to maintain them. It's a lot
of money. It's got to come from somewhere and as Mr. Murphy just
said, this end does not have a beach and needs it, which is going
to be an expense if we get one before it's all built up. As far
as the yard permits go, I just had one myself. It takes the young
lady in there quite a while to make that up and in the mean time
you're blocking up other things. I think that that is one fee that
we're going to make money on it. It's not something we're getting
that's really costing us. You're going to make that money off on
your yard sale anyway. You also advertise. I mean, it's a business
expense for my money. I think it's justified.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Anybody else wish to address the
Board before we adjourn tonight. Councilman Nickles.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: I still feel that as relates to beach fees, if
it wasn't for the situation with the Town disposal area There would
be no discussion of user fees for using the Town beaches, and it's
only as a result of trying to rectify a problem at the Town disposal
area. I still feel it's wrong. I feel it's a fraud on the public.
I think it's a deception. As Mr. Harvey says, your budget may be
$81,000.00, he may be correct, I don't recall what it is, but I'm
God damn sure it will still be $81,000.00 or more and you'll still
be paying taxes for it and on top of it you'll still be paying a
user fee and if don't have my garbage collected privately, if I want
to go to a public beach I'm going to have to buy a sticker. The
reason there aren't any Town beaches in the west end of Town is
because the Mattituck Park District already owns substantial area
of Town beach. I think they have in Mattituck Inlet over 20 acres
of parkland and beaches there.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Close to 40.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Forty acres, and you also have substantial
property on the Bay, so the people are well served in the west end
of the district, plus they have the exclusivity of a park district
which does not entitle anybody else from the Town of Southold Zo
use that beach unless they're within the district. And I don't
think they're charging their members a fee to use their district
when they're already paying for it. I relate it to school tax.
If all the senior citizens out here decided that why should they
be paying school taxes, then all us with kids should be paying
tuitions to go to public schools. I think it's The same concept
and I still say if it wasn't for the waste disposal problem there
would be no discussion of beach fees in this Town and yet the Beach
Committee has yet to make a recommendation for beach fees, and I think
it's a hot potato and I think that there may---
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Who's on the Beach Committee?
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: John Nickles is the Chairman of it and I
think Mr. Murphy is on the Committee. And I would say that the
taxpayers are paying the Town Clerk's Office to hand out these
fees. If it turns out you need another person in there to handle
the stickers, then' it should be hired. That's what we're here
for and we shouldn't forget it. We're here to serve the public,
not to keep imposing additional fees on them for something that
they've long been accustomed to as a matter of right, if you will.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Carlin.
MR. CARLIN: One more question. You're talking about waste disposal
now. Question, Riverhead went in with Southampton on a waste disposal
program. It was 85% funded by the federal government and 8~ by The
state and the taxpayers only 7%. I understand Southold could have
went in.with it too. Why didn't Southold go in with the waste disposal
with Riverhead and Southampton? Meanwhile we don't have a waste
disposal plant, we're still dumping down in the dump there, in a low
area. The stuff is seeping in the ground, possibility going into the
water system. Flies on it carrying germs around Town and here we're
talking about two acre zoning and condominiums and all this and we
don't even have a waste disposal here.
SUPERVISOR PELL: I'd like to have Councilman Townsend, former
Mayor of the Village of Greenport, respond to that.
September 6, 1983
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Thank you. We do have one. We just spent
$137,000.00 for the completed engineering plans. We're on about
the same schedule as the joint plant you're talking about--we're a
little behind them, but not much behind them.
MR. CARLIN: Their's will be done in '84.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Ours is going to be done approximately that
same time. I don't know how you missed it, but it's been in the
papers since 1975-76.
MR. CARLIN: Where's it going to go?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Greenport. It's a joint project.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Scavenger waste, not waste disposal.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: It's not solid waste,you know that.
COUNCILMAN NICKLES: It's not garbage, it's sewage sludge.
MR. CARLIN: My question is why didn't you join with Riverhead
or was it cheaper to be with Greenport?
SUPERVISOR PELL: Greenport already has a plant--sewage plant
built. We are adding on to theirs to take care of our residents.
It's local, it's closer and it's cheaper--much cheaper.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Because they have to have a denitrification
being that they're going into the Bay and the Peconic River, I
believe it is, and we have an outfall pipe. We go into the
Greenport Sewage Treatment Plant after our treatment and will go
into the outfall pipe.
MR. CARLIN: And that one down at the dump will be eliminated.
COUNCILMAN MURPHY: That is being eliminated now. We have a process..
We just hired two people in the landfill, Frank, to start on a
program to eliminate that until this other plant comes on. Two
people are hired and we have bids out right now for additional
machinery and as soon as all of this comes on line, hopefully,
we will not have any more open dumping like that. What we're
going to do is compost the material.
SUPERVISOR PELL~ We have the same federal-state-funded as Riverhead-
Southampton. We get the same percentage,
MR. CARLIN: I figured you did.
SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Anything further? (No response.)
The motion is in order.
Moved by Supervisor Pell, seconded by Councilman Nickles, it was
RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be adjourned at 8:50 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Edwards, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Murdock, Councilman
Nickles, Supervisor Pell.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Southold Town Clerk